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  1. Profile photo of DickenMcHunt
    DickenMcHunt Male 18-29
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    November 7, 2010 at 9:28 am
    Link: November 19, 1863 - In retrospect, reflecting on strife, adversity and affliction through history I realize the perils of today are drab.
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    Skythe Male 18-29
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    November 7, 2010 at 9:36 am
    That Lincoln guy was a real wordsmith, eh?
  3. Profile photo of Gerry1of1
    Gerry1of1 Male 50-59
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    November 7, 2010 at 9:41 am
    "If you like this sort of thing, this is the sort of thing you`ll like."

    -Abraham Lincoln
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    Skythe Male 18-29
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    November 7, 2010 at 9:49 am
    Truer words were never spoken, Gerry.
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    auburnjunky Male 30-39
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    November 7, 2010 at 10:13 am
    He was the Yogi Berra of his time!
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    joker7189 Male 18-29
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    November 7, 2010 at 10:17 am
    I love when great words are illustrated in videos like this. If you`ve ever heard of bo burnham and looked at the youtube of new math done in MS paint it`s great
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    NoArms5534 Male 18-29
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    November 7, 2010 at 10:27 am
    Dang, it`s almost as good as Obama!
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    Baalthazaq Male 18-29
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    November 7, 2010 at 10:40 am
    ... I read perils as penis. Damnit Dickenmchunt, you and your subliminal messaging.

    Also, this is cool. 4 stars.
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    Fatninja01 Male 30-39
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    November 7, 2010 at 10:57 am
    Thats so cool!
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    unmercyfuldu Male 18-29
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    November 7, 2010 at 11:01 am
    "I realize the perils of today are drab. "

    I don`t see how one can listen to that and come to this conclusion. The Gettysburg Address was a challenge to the future of this country to continue to progress.
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    ROK9 Male 18-29
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    November 7, 2010 at 11:04 am
    very good
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    Gerry1of1 Male 50-59
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    November 7, 2010 at 11:15 am
    Progress? They fought over a states right to self rule. What is Arizona doing now with imigration? Fighting with the Feds over self protection. When we legalize pot in California...and you know we will ... we will have the same fight for self rule since the Feds have no business telling us what we can and cannot legalize.

    No, the tipics change, but people and governement remain the same.

    But it`s the only game in town!
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    DixxyRarr Female 18-29
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    November 7, 2010 at 11:21 am
    Oooo chills :)
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    ChiefRocka Male 18-29
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    November 7, 2010 at 12:10 pm
    he stole my speech
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    sbeelz Male 30-39
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    November 7, 2010 at 12:32 pm
    The Civil War never happened. It`s a conspiracy, just like the Holocaust and the Moon landing.
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    tn11 Male 18-29
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    November 7, 2010 at 12:38 pm
    It sounds like he has a slight scottish accent no? so.... fun fact- Lincoln was said to have a "high, nasal voice" but he`s always portrayed with a deep, reassuring voice. Imagine it in a grown up Fred`s voice.
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    DickenMcHunt Male 18-29
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    November 7, 2010 at 12:46 pm
    "I don`t see how one can listen to that and come to this conclusion. The Gettysburg Address was a challenge to the future of this country to continue to progress."

    I was implying that the poo that we moan about today is trivial compared to the poo that people fought for, and the poo that people had to endure 50, 70, 100, 120, 150, 200 and 300 years ago.

    I was stating that the perils of living in the modern word and all of our so called "problems" are luxuries that pale to the trials of virtually any of our ancestors.
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    Clayboy Male 18-29
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    November 7, 2010 at 1:34 pm
    Government of the people, by the people, for the people, shall not perish from the earth."

    fast forward some years... does todays US government actually hold these values? Of the people, By the people and For the people?

    Seems like Abe, would be really disgraced if he saw what was happening today.
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    mogman45 Male 18-29
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    November 7, 2010 at 2:11 pm
    Poor sentence structure on the caption.
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    OldOllie Male 60-69
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    November 7, 2010 at 2:57 pm
    500,000 Americans died to free the slaves so 150 years later, they could call us all racists.
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    madest Male 40-49
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    November 7, 2010 at 3:40 pm
    Waaaaahhh... Poor OldOllie waaahh. If someone calls you racist and you aren`t then you wouldn`t be hurt by it. So often it is indeed the truth that hurts most.
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    puppies04 Male 18-29
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    November 7, 2010 at 4:03 pm
    *all men are created equal* but you can unequalise things by s**ting on your fellow man. God bless you modern society.
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    the_windy Female 18-29
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    November 7, 2010 at 4:04 pm
    Yup, no idea what he`s talking about here.
    Something about a civil war in which my country wasn`t a part of.
  24. Profile photo of M_Archer
    M_Archer Male 18-29
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    November 7, 2010 at 4:04 pm
    Wow, profound message from a profound man. He held our country together through the worst crisis it has ever faced. Apparently, he had a high pitched voice and spoke very quickly, so maybe a different voice actor would`ve been better.

    Lincoln really didn`t want to go to war. He was going to give the slave states anything they wanted. He was even going to enforce laws concerning slaves even though he thought slavery was immoral, but after the rebels opened fire on an old american military base, he had no choice.

    OldOllie: 110,000 Union troops were KIA and they had many reasons to fight, but I don`t think ending slavery was a predominant one. Some signed up because it was the cool thing to do, others signed up because they wanted to keep the Union together. The rebels fought because they wanted to keep their slaves, or some believed they did it to protect their heritage. If don`t believe people would die so they can keep slaves, read the articles of succession written b
  25. Profile photo of Lblaxplaya20
    Lblaxplaya20 Male 18-29
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    November 7, 2010 at 4:07 pm
    @madest

    Actually, I think being called a racist when you aren`t racist hurts more. Especially when everything I do around a minority is "racist".
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    M_Archer Male 18-29
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    November 7, 2010 at 4:09 pm
    Dear the_windy:

    You magnitude of fail is troubling. Read the wikipedia article on "Canada in the American Civil War"
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    Lblaxplaya20 Male 18-29
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    November 7, 2010 at 4:14 pm
    @m_archer

    Your*
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    M_Archer Male 18-29
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    November 7, 2010 at 4:16 pm
    @Lblaxplaya20

    Damn, you`re right. Well, I guess a little leniency should be allowed when you can not edit, or even preview your posts.
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    Yam Male 18-29
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    November 7, 2010 at 4:17 pm
    The clip is sweet but i have no idea what hes going on about.
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    zlatan Male 18-29
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    November 7, 2010 at 4:29 pm
    m_archer: you can just read what you typed before you submit it..
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    Lblaxplaya20 Male 18-29
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    November 7, 2010 at 4:41 pm
    @m_archer

    It`s quite alright. We`ve all been there.
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    madest Male 40-49
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    November 7, 2010 at 4:45 pm
    Especially when everything I do around a minority is "racist".
    ---------------
    Perhaps you shouldn`t be hanging nooses, burning crosses and dancing around in sheets. Other than that you`re probably not racist unless you think you might be.
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    Lblaxplaya20 Male 18-29
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    November 7, 2010 at 5:01 pm
    @madest

    Well how else am I going to hang my tire swings, remember Jesus Christs death, or scare little children into thinking I`m a ghost? Really, if I can`t do those simple everyday tasks without being called racist, then I don`t know what this world has come to.
  34. Profile photo of Suicism
    Suicism Male 18-29
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    November 7, 2010 at 5:34 pm
    Here`s what Lincoln ALSO said, during his 4th debate with Stephen Douglas:

    "I am not nor ever have been in favor of bringing about in any way the social and political equality of the white and black races ... inasmuch as they cannot so live, while they do remain together there must be the position of superior and inferior, and I as much as any other man am in favor of having the superior position assigned to the white race."

    Even after war broke out:

    "My paramount object in this struggle is to save the Union, and it is NOT either to save or destroy slavery. If I could save the Union without freeing any slave, I would do it."

    The emancipation proclamation was a piece of propaganda largely designed to reinvigorate support for the war on the part of northerners - and in the process, a successful circumvention of the constitutional process of issuing law.

    There are no heroes.

    Great animation though!
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    Inter237 Male 18-29
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    November 7, 2010 at 6:07 pm
    Really wish we could have heard him speak. Suicism you stole much of what I was going to say! But good points nonetheless. It was all for the union and that is why he was such a great president.
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    Kaagan Male 18-29
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    November 7, 2010 at 6:13 pm
    now thats a president
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    SilverThread Male 30-39
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    November 7, 2010 at 6:32 pm
    That was a beautiful speech. I wonder how many cynical bastards did nothing but decry the fallibility of the speaker rather than reveling in the message.
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    Maromi Female 18-29
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    November 7, 2010 at 6:47 pm
    Could only take 35 seconds of that guys voice. I`ll stick to reading it.
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    CrakrJak Male 40-49
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    November 7, 2010 at 6:50 pm
    Suicism: Most people don`t realize this, But Lincoln`s solution for reconstruction was to offer slave families land in Haiti, Liberia, Or ship them back to Africa for free. He knew the southern democrats would continue to harass, lynch, and oppress them otherwise. Johnson, His Vice-President, Was one such southern democrat and he lead this country into a hundred years of `Jim Crow` and racism. It`s a damn shame, Civil rights should`ve taken place back then instead of the 1960`s, Perhaps we wouldn`t have many of the problems we have today.
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    the_windy Female 18-29
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    November 7, 2010 at 7:30 pm
    "You magnitude of fail is troubling. Read the wikipedia article on `Canada in the American Civil War`"

    If my history teachers never taught me it, then it`s not worth knowing. Therefore it also must have not affected us too greatly.
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    M_Archer Male 18-29
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    November 7, 2010 at 7:38 pm
    @Suicism: Yes...but you really have to look at this through the eyes of a nineteenth century politician. Back then, it would`ve been too radical at the time to admit that you think blacks and whites are equal; the same way it would be too radical for a president to say they don`t believe in god. Everyone was racist then.

    Lincoln didn`t believe that the President of the United States had the power to abolish an entire industry (a point with which I agree), so he figured the best way to get rid of slavery would be to outlaw it in all new territories, so the free market would get rid of it. The Emancipation Proclamation was an extreme measure during war to weaken the rebels; this means that loyalist slave states got to keep their slaves. Lincoln didn`t free the slaves, the thirteen amendment did that and that was the will of Congress.

    The reason Lincoln deserves our respect is because he upheld the Constitution and kept the country together under the worst circumstances
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    M_Archer Male 18-29
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    November 7, 2010 at 7:44 pm
    Sorry for the double post; stupid character limit.

    Lincoln was not perfect; he was a human being just like the rest of us, but the only thing he did which was objectionable was push conscription through congress. Even then, he gave the option for drafted men to buy themselves out of the army. This doesn`t make it right, but it`s a hell of a lot better than what other presidents did. The Union draft sucked anyway. They couldn`t get a lot of people to agree and the vast majority of the Army were volunteer regiments.

    He also was about to give the slave states special privileges if they stopped whining. I disagree with this; he should have just told them to shut up, but I think he handled the situation better than I ever could.
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    SarahofBorg Female 18-29
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    November 7, 2010 at 7:49 pm
    I have nothing against the address, but the video is way too artsy for me. It feels like it`s trying far too hard.
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    bryantm3 Male 18-29
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    November 7, 2010 at 10:05 pm
    lincoln was a racist and a tyrant. he wrote this pissant poem on the pooter the night before, didn`t take the time to write a real speech and everyone knew it and hated it at the time. then he got shot and now he`s some kind of martyr for justice or something. martin luther king was a martyr, gandhi was a martyr, lincoln was just an non-nice individual in the right place at the wrong time.

    many of us seem to lay aside the tragedies that occured during the civil war, in favor of seeing lincoln as this G-dlike legendary figure that we should all aspire to be. i can`t believe how history has twisted this man`s actions into something to be admired.
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    Nidonemo Male 18-29
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    November 7, 2010 at 11:04 pm
    "If my history teachers never taught me it, then it`s not worth knowing. Therefore it also must have not affected us too greatly. "

    Is your school curriculum regulated like ours is? They may not have been allowed to say or teach certain things.
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    Suicism Male 18-29
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    November 7, 2010 at 11:05 pm
    @M_Archer, thanks for the detailed response. I`d say something might have slipped your mind in the list of objectionable acts on the part of Lincoln, President, to include the suspending of Habeus Corpus - not only on the part of war-protesters, but the Supreme Court Justice whom he threw in jail for blocking his war action as unconstitutional.
    I’d say in this department he fell a bit short when it came to ‘upholding the constitution,’ as you stated (because secession was not specifically barred by it – though the predatory taxation which was waged against the south prior to the war certainly would have been frowned upon.)

    He did, however, make for an expedited post-war reconciliation effort by limiting the percentage of citizens required by each state to pledge their loyalty to the union to 10%, rather than the 100% or other exorbitant number demanded by the greater Republican party line.
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    SvampeBob Male 18-29
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    November 7, 2010 at 11:06 pm
    HOLY poo that`s boring as hell
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    Suicism Male 18-29
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    November 7, 2010 at 11:12 pm
    Shutup bob, I`m trying to rant!
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    Suicism Male 18-29
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    November 7, 2010 at 11:12 pm
    @Crakr, I am familiar with some of those alternative options for slave-reconciliation. I believe some of these to have been an extension of the "Back to Africa" movement, expounded as early as 1811 by Paul Cuffee, a black man himself.

    You`re right about the possibility of a full fledged Civil Rights movement having had the opportunity to come to fruition at this time. An awesome Glenn Beck Special explored the significant leaps being taken by members of the black American community around this time - without the help of whitey. (Starts at about 2:00)
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    Suicism Male 18-29
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    November 7, 2010 at 11:12 pm
    And finally, @Inter, sorry for stealing your points! But I have to say the one area in which I think his effort to keep the Northern and Southern factions united turned-out to be extraordinarily fortuitous for our nation (though, as mentioned above, would have been entirely unnecessary had Northern states not conspired against the South’s right to freely trade internationally), is that involving the danger of English and French forces lining the areas around our borders to the North and South (respectively) and posing an obvious danger to a divided country. Shout-out to Tsar Alexander II for having our back on that one.
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    tridirk Male 50-59
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    November 8, 2010 at 12:13 am
    Great words for then, today, and tomorrow.

    It`s sad that our friends from other countries are so blinded by their anti-american dislike, jealousy, and propaganda that they disrespect an American hero and icon.

    Worse yet, that even Americans don`t see the wisdom born from strife and all the death. All because they like to be provocative or are blinded by their political views. (Yes Lincoln was Republican)....

    His life reminds me of a quote I read, "Hard times or adversity are said to build character, when actually hard times and adversity reveal true character".

    His was revealed in what was accomplished. We aren`t perfect and never claimed to be. But we are a good, decent, and caring country.

    Thanks Mr. Lincoln.... thanks.
    and No... President Obama was never so succinct, eloquent, or truthful. At least not yet.
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    bryantm3 Male 18-29
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    November 8, 2010 at 1:06 am
    then, to encourage a dismayed union army, he then issues the emancipation proclamation, a piece of publicity that served no purpose and freed no slaves (slaves were still in the white house until the 13th amendment was passed, and the document had no legal standing). the emancipation proclamation was written as if the issue was slavery all along, invoking the philosophy of "G-d`s on our side". when they finally won the war, hundreds of thousands of men had been killed— more than any other war the US has fought in. and the south lay completely destroyed, with the only people who had any sense fleeing to the north to seek better opportunities. the south then turned into an ass-backwards racist bunch of rednecks with no industry, no history (whole cities, books, schoolhouses, all destroyed), where there had been at least some semblance of civilization beforehand. afterwards, the slaves that had been freed faced arguably worse treatment until congress got off its ass a hund
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    bryantm3 Male 18-29
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    November 8, 2010 at 1:06 am
    instead of using diplomacy, bargaining, mediation or any other reasonable option, HE DECLARED WAR ON HIS OWN FUCKING COUNTRY. imagine if prop 19 legalizing marijuana had been passed in california and president obama declared war on california. it`s that fucking insane.

    so to carry out his insane plan, he decides to declare war on his own country, bypasses congress, jails citizens, newspaper reporters, and elected and appointed federal government officials because they think he`s crazy and publicly oppose the war.

    lincoln then gets most of the way through the war, which the south was winning, and then the battle of gettysburg happens. thousands of men lose their lives for his cause, and he delivers a little sonnet and walks away. to put it in relative compari
  54. Profile photo of bryantm3
    bryantm3 Male 18-29
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    November 8, 2010 at 1:06 am
    @tridirk:

    just because we don`t approve of the way president lincoln handled his entire presidency doesn`t mean we are anti-american. if i were anti-american i wouldn`t care what the hell he did.

    president lincoln`s actions were entirely unconstitutional. i gather that you are a republican, given your disapproval of obama. did you know that before the civil war, the south wanted free trade with great britain instead of trading with factories up north because the prices were better? this is a republican talking point these days and this is what the south was fighting for. the slavery issue was an entirely different topic and wasn`t even the role of the civil war until lincoln used a publicity stunt to point the moral finger at the south.

    the south seceded because the republicans promised what for the north? higher tariffs to protect northern industries.
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    eskimo9 Male 18-29
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    November 8, 2010 at 2:53 am
    He (or his publicist, if they had them back then) was so eloquent. 140-odd years later we came up with Bushisms on YouTube.

    Where are the good old charismatic politicians with their moustaches, monocles, and drinking habits? Or even just the ones we would give a damn about.
  56. Profile photo of Suicism
    Suicism Male 18-29
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    November 8, 2010 at 3:14 am
    @bryantm3 - you should read some of the other contributions people as long-winded as yourself have made.

    @eskimo9 - vote for me. I`d TOTALLY wear a monocle, and I already have a drinking problem.
  57. Profile photo of CrakrJak
    CrakrJak Male 40-49
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    November 8, 2010 at 4:07 am
    bryantm3: Actually, Hostilities began on April 12, 1861, when Confederate forces attacked a U.S. military installation at Fort Sumter in South Carolina. That`s a piece of history you should`ve learned in high school.

    Your assertion that Lincoln declared war on the south to protect the northern cotton industry is both absurd and historically wrong. The south seceded from the north because they wanted the new western states to be `slave states`.

    Lincoln had no power to declare war, Congress did. The secessionist states fired the first shots and started the rebellion. Lincoln had no other choice but to call for a draft and defend the union.

    I don`t know where you got your version of history, But it`s wrong.
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    eskimo9 Male 18-29
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    November 8, 2010 at 5:06 am
    @Suicism - consider it done. And you can vote for me for PM of Aus, and we`ll get thoroughly plastered to the point where we can end the oil crisis by running cars on the alcohol in our urine.
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    gary8162 Male 40-49
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    November 8, 2010 at 6:45 am
    @bryantm3
    Although I enjoy your vitriolic and fictional view of history, I must say I`m more impressed with the fact that you can type in the F-word and get it by 1-a-b`s censors without seeing the word "drat" pop up. Guess it just takes a passionate point of view to disable it.
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    Skabashas Male 18-29
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    November 8, 2010 at 7:15 am
    Wow, that was powerful.
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    Suicism Male 18-29
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    November 8, 2010 at 4:08 pm
    Hahahahahahahahahaha!!!!!!!!!!

    So THAT`S why my toilet`s been catching on fire!
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    W2 Male 13-17
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    November 8, 2010 at 4:52 pm
    so...everybodys screwed?
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    inversegrav Male 30-39
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    November 8, 2010 at 4:57 pm
    Lincoln is perhaps considered our greatest president because the words he spoke were always so powerful and heavy with purpose. Now 150 years later they are still relevant because the root bias and hate that helped start the American civil war are still often seen and recognised.
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    tridirk Male 50-59
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    November 8, 2010 at 6:39 pm
    @bryantm3

    just because we don`t approve of the way president lincoln handled his entire presidency doesn`t mean we are anti-american. if i were anti-american i wouldn`t care what the hell he did.


    Huh? Are you one of those that makes himself a victim? Below is what I typed, and I don`t read anywhere calling you or anyone anti-american?

    @tridirk

    Worse yet, that even Americans don`t see the wisdom born from strife and all the death. All because they like to be provocative or are blinded by their political views.


    I think you like to be provactive and stir the pot? Or else you have been educated by one of our excellent liberal public schools?

    Read before accusing please, it will serve you well in life.
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    betardfooser Male 30-39
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    November 8, 2010 at 6:52 pm
    tripe. hogwash. balderdash. codswallop. folderol. baloney. horse-feathers. twaddle. load o` bollocks. Polishing a turd is all this is. War is not acceptable on any level any longer. I refuse to glorify brutality in any way, leastwise under the guise of freedom, liberty and equality. The equation simply doesn`t add up. DISMANTLE THE INDUSTRIAL MILITARY COMPLEX!
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    betardfooser Male 30-39
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    November 8, 2010 at 7:08 pm
    "excellent liberal public schools?" skip to 3:12
    The only one who "educated" me was my ma, who taught me to read. Once you can do that with any acuity it`s fairly easy to see that schools are simply there to fill your head with rubbish to hypnotise you into consensus reality and subservience to a coercive labor system. I for one am not at all happy to live within this construct. If you are, then more power to ya. But don`t go about insinuating that people are stupid or ill-read because they feel the need to voice their dissent. If you`re not fed up you haven`t been sitting at the table long enough. Once we all decide we`ve had enough suffering, maybe we can *actually* change the way things are done.
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    sender02 Male 18-29
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    November 8, 2010 at 8:20 pm
    BetardFooser:
    I would also like the whole world to be sparkles and sunshine where we all hold hands and stuff like that. Unfortunately, there will always be a**holes, like Iran and North Korea, who won`t agree to play nice just because we hung up our guns. Dismantling the military is a stupid Idea.
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    sender02 Male 18-29
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    November 8, 2010 at 8:25 pm
    Adressing all you idiots who dissaproved or how Lincoln ran the country: Enough with your "The South Will Rise Again" Bullsh*t. He avoided war as long as he could until the south fired shots after they did the federal version of "this isn`t fun anymore, I`m leaving" like little babies. It would have been retarded to just let them keep attacking forts and killing enlisted men, so he got medieval on them to his great displeasure. If the south had been in the right, enough people would have supported them that they wouldn`t have gotten their a**es kicked.
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    the_windy Female 18-29
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    November 8, 2010 at 9:09 pm
    @Nidonemo
    I think so...Every year gets taught the same thing (judging by how old the textbooks were).
    They focus on WWII and The Great Depression.
    History was only mandatory for one semester in high school. I took it again in my last year, but that was the Renaissance and such.
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    betardfooser Male 30-39
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    November 8, 2010 at 10:00 pm
    @sender02 We *can* live in a world of sparkles and sunshine! (hand holding optional) We just have to collectively pull our heads out of the sad reality we have placed ourselves in. Like attracts like, it`s basic alchemy. There are arsewholes like Iran and North Korea (among a great number of others) because our government installed despotic puppet governments in them to increase our global influence. Stirring up poo somewhere between two perceived factions or creating a rift between similar factions in whatever capacity; economic, religious, food supply, natural resources, the list goes on... Get them to scrap it out amongst themselves (sell `em both armament for a quick buck) and then offer a solution by sending "troops" in to "promote democracy" when all that is really going on is we are placing people in power to "oversee" the "conflict zone" to assure it`s being run according to the standards of the great "liberators".
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    betardfooser Male 30-39
    558 posts
    November 8, 2010 at 10:02 pm
    That being said, DISMANTLING THE MILITARY INDUSTRIAL COMPLEX is nothing short of an imperative idea! This is a hole that we`ve all dug for ourselves and if we all can`t get it together on a level of basic human decency, change our collective behaviour, and start doing things in a different way instead of just going along with the program we are rushing headlong into GLOBAL MARTIAL LAW. I`m pretty sure nobody but the ones giving the orders wants that. Time to look at the true faces of the few who rule over the many and truly scrutinise why and how they came to be in that position. PUT DOWN THE SHOVEL PEOPLE! Stop being blindly complicit in the wanton destruction of what is left of the soul of humanity. DISMANTLE THE EFFING MILITARY INDUSTRIAL COMPLEX!!!! Eisenhower warned us against it himself. For realz. Ike`s somber warning
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    Calderis Male 18-29
    326 posts
    November 9, 2010 at 3:05 am
    @betard

    The majority of this country is already ruled by self-preservation and/or apathy. There`s no sense of community. We don`t speak with our neighbors. We barely live beyond our own self cultivated social circles and work environments.

    There was a time that the Government was afraid of the people, but it`s long past. There isn`t enough patriotism (real patriotism, not the blind faith following of what we`re told is called patriotism today), or or righteous anger in the masses to do anything on a national scale.

    The percentage of money and power held by the minimal percent of the population in power leads to an extremely top heavy environment that will either collapse, or forced to self correct. Viewing the points I made in the previous paragraph, people will need to become far more concerned in the majority to achieve a correction.

    Currently, we are on course for a dramatic and violent social collapse.

    I agree with you. I just don`t beli
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    Calderis Male 18-29
    326 posts
    November 9, 2010 at 3:07 am
    I just don`t believe people currently care enough to change the course we`re on.
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    betardfooser Male 30-39
    558 posts
    November 9, 2010 at 5:45 am
    Truer words have not been spoken. I have hope based on the spread of information in a grass-roots system. If everyone who sees the imminent collapse makes a heartfelt plea to those within the sphere of their influence and those folks "tell 2 friends" and so on ad infinitum we may find ourselves having made a movement(insert cynical poop joke here). I think on some level everyone has had it with the current paradigm and all but the most elite or apathetic can be brought to "start down another path". This is my hope anyway... We all know the cliche "Become the change you want to see in the world" and it would seem that might be a good start, then try to get that mindset to spread around. `tis the least we can do...
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    McGovern1981 Male 30-39
    14268 posts
    November 9, 2010 at 6:28 am
    @sender02

    I don`t know what Civil War you studied but the Confederacy didn`t totally get their asses kicked it was a long and very nasty war.
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    tridirk Male 50-59
    313 posts
    November 9, 2010 at 7:24 am
    Let`s do away with the military, then we won`t need the "Military Industrial Complex" (I feel like I am back in the 60`s).

    Then we also don`t need, the CIA, the FBI, the ATF, Customs, The Border Patrol, State Police, or FBI.

    Peace Love Dove Baby..... and we can all listen to the Grateful Dead. Maybe bring back Hands across the World?

    What the hell did all that have to do with A. Lincoln?
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    idiotfilter Male 18-29
    3916 posts
    November 9, 2010 at 8:48 am
    mitch rapoport?

    ...they should have gone with Morgan Freeman...

    ...nobody gives a message like Morgan Freeman...

    i wish i could feel passion towards this country like that man did....but...idk....what can one strive for in a country where the people no longer rule...
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    Slicktorino Male 18-29
    87 posts
    November 15, 2010 at 1:03 am
    Ahhh, the man beneath the hat...
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    furryblob Male 18-29
    574 posts
    November 16, 2010 at 3:43 am
    And what gets people pissed off these days? Illegal wars? Spying on your own citizens? Tax cuts for the ultra rich? Deregulation? No none of that, something as benign as health care reform is enough for idiots to break out their guns.
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    8BitHero Male 18-29
    5414 posts
    December 17, 2010 at 6:18 am
    Really interesting :)

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