Hi, My Name Is Jessica And I`m A Mormon

Submitted by: thecranberry 6 years ago in

Families are forever? Let"s hope not all of them are: Disturbing video of a Mormon mother abusing her adopted son.
There are 374 comments:
Female 1,070
holy crappppppp that is sick

that might emotionally scar that kid for life
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Male 8
cool haircut
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Female 11
This is sick and made me cry... I just don`t understand some people.
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Male 14
This is disgusting. Pure child abuse. This women should be put away. Nasty B$%th!!
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Female 193
agentsmith. a cold shower and hot sauce to the mouth does not compare to the taps and small hits we got as kids.
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Female 193
that`s just awful. there`s a line in physical punishment and that definitely went eons beyond that line.
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Male 155
lets shower her with cold hot sauce muahahaha
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Female 1,478
Peahprincess, please never have children. What you just said reminds me of the chick who killed her kid because he was `annoying` her while she was playing facebook games.

Also, i-am-bored.com, please just take away the profanity filter.. we all find a way around it anyway.
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Female 9
THIS WOMAN IS A BITCH AND I`D LIKE TO PUT HER IN THE SHOWER
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Female 614
that was directed at you, jackson. you`re heartless if you can listen to that child cry out for help and still think we`re judging out of context. i don`t know you, but i hate people with misplaced compassion like you.
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Female 614
anyone vouching at all in any sense for this woman "seeking to get help" needs to set the video to 2:14 and listen to the screams of a child being forced to sit under cold water, being yelled at, and humiliated.

as a future educator, i would rather a kid punch me in the f<>cking face than go through this. i`d rather have any pain inflicted on me, and any stress taken out on me, than have any child suffer like this. ANY child.
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Male 3,915
nothing says innovative and productive member of society like "listen to your teacher and never question your elders!" "now get punished and do this to your kids but worse when you are my age!"

anyone else want to see her butchered by The Phil`s audience Maury-style?
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Female 12
I don`t care if people think this is out of context because she is seeking help. Screw that! This woman is clearly a mental case. Nobody with any ounce of love for a child would do that. Just because she is asking for help doesn`t make it okay. Why would anyone adopt a child and then subject them to this level of abuse? I wish bad AIDS upon her, the world would be a better place without her.
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Female 137
i started feeling bad for the kid but when he started crying i just started getting so annoyed. i still feel bad though
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Male 59
3 cards? Wut?
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Female 1
@Jackson13W

Does it matter that she was looking for help or not?
Yeah, shes getting help, thats great.
But its still reall horrifying that she does that to a child and its painful to watch.
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Female 282
uhm yeah, I support spanking. A few smacks on the ass is the most a kid should fear from their parent, and that`s only if they`re being REALLY goddam bratty. That`s what I`d get as a kid, and it kept me in line and out of trouble with authorities.

This however is going too far. I can`t stand temperature hot foods, and even less things that are taste-wise hot, not only that but even after he washes his mouth out, it`s still going to burn.
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Male 155
This clip is out of context. this woman was on Dr. Phil seeking help. go look up the episode and watch it, then stop jumping to conclusions about 5.01% of a 60 min. program.
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Female 88
wow, what a bitch.
I hope she gets explosive diarrhea for the rest of her liiiife.
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Male 2,419
so kid acts out a bit at school and this happens to him, mother does this to child and what`s her punishment?
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Male 104
She blames her actions on the child when she asks him to why he she is choosing to be cruel and abusive. Unnatural consequences which would not be inflicted upon the adult. How does this prepare the child for society?

Of course he lied. How else was he going to escape her cruel and unusual punishment?
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Male 11,739
That bitch should have her kids taken away, and she should be thrown in jail where the other inmates can severly f u c k her ass up. People like that should get what they give. I`d love to tie her ass up and do that sh it to her. What a completely stupid bitch. She`s lucky I don`t know her.
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Male 3,631
Let me be the first to say that by all appearances Lara, I`d be inclined to agree ;-)
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Male 17
I think the punishments are a little strange but not that big of a deal. The thing I think is a problem is she repeats herself over and over, asking the consequences of his actions, I mean say it once to reinforce it but it seems like she`s going for psychological abuse and possibly enjoying it.
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Female 219
well you have to punish them some how i mean damn atleast they arnt beating the child it just made him uncomfortable its not hurting him at all
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Female 547
laramarie, when one of your kids turns out to be a pill popping alcoholic, I hope you can just shrug your shoulders because after all, "you can`t win em all." My parents NEVER used physical punishment on any of us. EVER. And not one of my brothers or sisters is a pill popping alcoholic. Huh... guess you can win em all.
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Female 154
oh and btw... the kid is most definitely not ruined for life; that is absolutely absurd. I went through things WAY WAY WAY worse then this and I`ve turned out great if I do say so myself. I`m an excellent mother and a good person. My brother on the other hand is a pill popping alcoholic; but you can`t win them all.
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Male 2,516
@LookItsLeia, the kid was adopted from Russia
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Female 154
this has nothing on my childhood... I mean the cold shower was a little hard to watch but I`ve seen A LOT worse... not that any of it is good... hot sauce I don`t think is ALL that bad... I wouldn`t do it as a parent but I`ve seen MANY parents do it... kid should have swallowed it though...
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Female 196
Spider_sol, the avenging hand of the internet needs to happen soon. Anonymous will find this video eventually.
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Female 547
There`s a special place in hell for that bitch. Oh and fyi the military doesn`t pull that crap anymore either.
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Male 1,451
BTW OmgZelda, twatwaffle has to be the best word I`ve heard in a long time.
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Female 55
People like this should by law have to get a tube ligation, or a vasectomy.
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Male 1,451
Couldn`t even watch this. Has /b/ ruined her life yet?
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Male 159
The peculiar thing is that if nothing changes that kid will probably end up on the streets or really messed up (like on drugs). Any friends that I had as a kid that had very strict parents had that happen to them.
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Female 331
I didn`t think much about this until the shower. Ever try to take an ice cold shower? It`s more than miserable. Poor little kid...that`s no way to parent.
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Female 418
wow. honestly is this really that bad? i mean, my mom would put hotsauce in our mouths when we said profanity or disrespected her. honestly, wasnt that bad. 100 years ago im sure hot baths/showers in a lot of countries were very rare. though he must of done something really bad for a cold shower, that would suck.

the mom isnt nearly as bad as a lot of abusive parents out there. she is strict, her kids might not like her much now but in the future they will be thankful. better than having a loose parent who doesnt give a damn about what you do.
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Female 676
In response to britt566...

One major difference between the military and grade school, though. This is a child and those are grown men and women. This woman needs to learn the difference.
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Male 1
This is the most soul-wrenching thing I`ve seen in a long time. I have two boys that age so I can`t help but be outraged.

I hope that airing this on public TV meant that a child welfare agency intervened and removed that poor kid from her custody. I really, really hope that this was part of a message that the TV show aired to give abused kids hope for a way out and abusive parents a means of intervention. Anything less and they`d be using this as a ratings troll.

And why is the title "... and I`m a Mormon"? WTF does religion have to do with child abuse besides troll more rage? Sadly, anybody with any religious belief can mentally or physically abuse a child.

Later IAB. I`m going offline to give my kids a hug. And as over-active, willful and defiant as they can sometimes be -- I`m going to have a hard time trying not to tear up.
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Female 40
here`s a link to the Dr Phil page that summarises that episode

Here
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Male 336
this makes the original listerine I suffered through nothing.

2 pointers for the kid:
-pick your battles
-practice makes perfect
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Female 2,289
i looked up a site that stated that the boy received three discipline cards in his elementary school for throwing pencils, sword-fighting with another child, and acting out in another class.

that the hot sauce method was received from one of the parents friends, and the cold shower method was because the father was in the military and thats how it was done there.
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Male 282
like her fat ass didnt stay out of the cookie jar when she was little. phuckin dork.
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Female 2,289
but the things i would do to punish all of the child abusers in this world nowadays...
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Female 2,289
sadly i witnessed this type of action on a 4 year old child except worse. I was too young at the time to do anything about it and i was too coward to call children services...
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Male 27
@tyger9575

I never suffered abuse. I was punished for my wrong doings and i learned from them. Give your child a time out whenever they do wrong and watch how they develop a false sense of what punishment is and how life isn`t so forgiving. I learned from my punishments. I understood that i was being punished for doing wrong and i made sure i never did it again. A time out is hardly an unforgettable punishment to learn from. Again, I`m not saying we need to beat our children but a time out hardly does the job.
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Male 27
@Digital_Babu

I lack empathy because i dont feel this is half as bad as some other form of punishment i`ve endured in my life?

I hardly believe making a child take a cold shower as a form of punishment is even close to child abuse. Nor is putting hot sauce in their mouth. Again, punishment isnt supposed to be fun. Giving a child a time out gives them a false sense of what punishment is supposed to be and hardly gives them an idea of being held accountable for their actions.

Kids these days are embedded with the thought that, if you`re spanked, your parents are horrible people and should be thrown in jail. I`ll admit theres a fine line between what is an acceptable form of punishment and what isn`t. But letting kids get away with bad behavior by just giving them a time out only tells them that life is the same way and that they`ll only get a simple slap on the wrist whenever they do wrong.
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Male 297
@agentsmith41

Could you be any ignorant or self-righteous? You call others idiots because they disagree with you. I`m willing to bet the same thing was done to you as a child, but you`re too short-sighted to see the sick effects the abuse you suffered. Are you more awake now, Sleeper? Oh, right, you`re Agent Smith. The one who seeks to destroy the freedoms of all others. The signs stack up quicker and quicker... just sayin`... :)
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Male 26
I`m no parent. But I don`t really see the big deal in this one. When I was young, my dad would give me some hell. I used to think that it was bit much, but did I ever forget to feed the dog again? no. Did I ever forget to lock the door again? no. All my dad had to do was yell, and I would end up crying just like that.
Nobody has any idea what that kid does at school. But I would guess, since the kid already knew what he gets for doing certain things, that he has "pulled cards" (whatever that means) before.
The kid didn`t learn his lesson, so she punishes him again. If it was so "cruel" then he would have stopped getting in trouble.
But that`s just my point of view, but then again, there IS a lot of untold story here.
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Female 25
I want to beat this b!tch senseless! I have adopted two children and the #1 thing that any sensible person knows is that children who have gone through the adoption process have already been traumatized or lived through trauma and let me tell you....I would like to show her a bit of it myself!
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Male 25,416
Wow, somepeople shoudnt be allowed to have a child, i wouldnt never go that far for something like that, wait till that child rebells!
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Male 77
@agentsmith41

"Give me a break. I was spanked and hit as a child and i live a fairly successful life. I have a good job a great family, good people skills. I show respect to authority."

And you lack empathy and are a conformist, good for you.
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Female 1,095
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Jesus, why the drat is this on Dr. Phil?
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Male 27
Im sorry, but, while im sure im going to be the minority here, i really dont believe for one second that what this mother does is all that bad. Punishment isnt supposed to be pleasant. Kids cry when they`re being punished. It happens. He`s not going to be emotionally scarred from this.

People keep talking about giving him a time out or something less severe. Give me a break! Do you idiots see how kids behave today? Telling teachers to f*ck off, being disrespectful, having no respect for authority. It`s all because we give them time outs instead of a real punishment that they truly regret. Am i saying we should beat our children? Absolutely not. It`s hot sauce and a cold shower. But seriously? Give me a break. I was spanked and hit as a child and i live a fairly successful life. I have a good job a great family, good people skills. I show respect to authority.

Keep giving your kids a little time out and see how they turn out.
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Male 46
drating bitch!!
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Male 46
:(
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Male 975
I think i can safely say that anyone who doesn`t find this wrong got really harsh punishments as a child, so in your eyes this is p*ssy poo.

I`ve never been touched by my parents, only time-outs, taking away the power cord for my computer, and being grounded kept me in check.

This poo almost made me cry tbh
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Female 1,593
:(

I don`t even know how to word the rage that I`m feeling. My 5 day old is sleeping next to me and I can`t imagine doing 1/100th of the punishment this twatwaffle bitch put on that poor little boy.
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Male 798
I`ll have to agree with others commenting on how malicious she is when she`s telling him what he did wrong.

YOU HID THE CARDS FROM ME HUH? YEAH YOU DID! YOU KNOW WHAT YOU GET NOW? HUH? YOU GET THE HOT SAUCE! YEAH, EAT IT UP.. YOU LIKE HOW IT BURNS?? DO YA PUNK?!?
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Male 798
Auburnjunky: LOLWUT

Go look at the first few pages.
lern2IAB
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Male 174
Holy cow what a C U N T
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Female 1,784
that poor sweet baby boy. he is ruined for life :(
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Female 30
This was on Dr. Phil last week.
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Male 2,669
That was the most godawful thing I`ve ever seen.

I`m talking about her hair, of course.

Her treatment of the child was also criminal. What a *itch.
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Female 36
This has made me so angry and upset! she clearly thinks this is acceptable behavior (hence I guess allowing the filming) and it makes me want to punch this woman in the face so hard right now. The childs punishment in itself may only last half an hour but the emotional damage she is causing that poor boy... that will last a lifetime. I would never even consider the possibility of using any of these punishments on my children. quite frankly horrific viewing. thank you I-A-B for leaving everyone with an icky feeling in their gut today.
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Female 135
I`d like to reiterate something said earlier:

"10Bears
Male, 30-39, Europe
Tuesday, November 30, 2010 12:47:38 AM
That kid has now learned that bullying and torture are acceptable forms of control."
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Male 158
Personally I don`t care for mormons because I actually live with them and they are difficult people. That being said, this "mother`s" tactics really have nothing wo to with being mormon - just *ucking crazy.
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Female 15
Wow. That made me cry, I want to find that little boy and give him a hug. People like that shouldn`t be parents...it`s disgusting.
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Male 7,123
She`s a bully plain and simple. If fear pain and screaming are part of you parenting methods then you are doing it wrong.
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Female 135
I hope the end of that segment included handcuffs and a social services worker.
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Male 100
I`ve seen and experienced some pretty twisted stuff but I had to stop it at the point when she made him drink the hot sauce. Maybe I`ll finish it but what really upsets me is that I started thinking that every day and night thousands of little kids are abused even far worse than him by the people who are supposed to love and protect them from mess like this. It`s a wonder we ever made it as a species with people like her among us.
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Male 1,341
Dang, what a bitch... Hopefully she doesn`t get to keep that kid. I just make my son sit in time out for a little while, or take his favorite toys for a bit... Thats enough to drive a little boy crazy.
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Male 535
I am so angry after watching this! best thing would have been if the audience beat her up!
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Male 418
Wow that brought back to many bad memories. I can understand being harsh on children, just not in this way or at this age. The kids like 6 give him a break and WTF is up with the cold shower thing? Sit him on the steps for five minutes until he fesses up. All this is going to make him into a drated up teenager. Also, the kids adopted where the hell is the government? This bitch doesn`t deserve to have another child.
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Male 840
I don`t see the connection to Mormonism. Was Jessica in one of those new Mormon commercials or something? This is just child abuse. I guess she thought it was okay because she filmed it.
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Male 163
lmao i don`t think any doctor actually use there first name besides Doctor phil -_-
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Female 72
OMG I cannot watch, This is making me tear up. The cries of that poor little boy. There are plenty of other effective ways to teach a lesson. Extra chore, loss of privileges, writing lines....Oh I hope they took that boy from her, she does not deserve to be in charge of anyone`s life. drating Bitch!
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Male 101
Submit it to AFHV.
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Male 1,016
This video clip sure has struck a note with the I-A-Ber`s...and justifiably so ......this is deplorable behavior from this woman.
Talk about a control freak. don`t you dare spit that out ....I would have spit it in her face right in eyes.
I was thinking where is daddy? I bet with a biotch like that in the house he`s down at the closest boobie bar escaping one of his choices for a life partner.
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Male 1,312
What a bitch, there`s so many other ways to handle that kind of stuff. Just spank the kid and send him to his room with no dinner. That was pure torture for that child. If you`re going to adopt a child, at least try to be a decent human being. What a monster.
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Male 670
that bitch is goin DOWN
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Male 639
Oh my god, non-permanent harm that goes away after a maximum of 30 minutes. I wish that was how my parents punished me. I think it`s actually a clever and fairly reasonable punishment, way better than anything I ever got.
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Male 535
Not saying it`s fake or anything - i`ve already left a comment about how much this is like torture - but what sort of video camera displays a "REC" symbol along with a red dot on it`s OUTPUT? Also, this lady seems woefully unaware that she`s being recorded.

I don`t know about you, but wen someone`s pointing a camera at me, i NOTICE, and i def notice if there`s a red light.

Also - it seems odd that she closes the bathroom door in the manner she does.

Finally - for the film to have been taken by her "daughter" - whom we can only assume is not a professional videographer and is probably not MUCH older than her son, this video is awful steady and the angles are really really really good, not to mention that the height of the video camera changes several times throughout the video - even to the point of being TALLER than the "mormon."

This is one hell of a home video.
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Male 40,208
Eye for an Eye

give her a Hot Sauce Douche
&
Ice Cold Water-Boarding

fair is fair, after all.
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Female 8
@martinikene with a little searching, anchorage alaska
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Male 151
@davymid
Haha thanks, i was getting worked up from this stupid parent, but your link made me laugh
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Male 395
This made me furious! I wouldn`t be upset if this woman was harmed in some way.
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Female 846
Growing up in a military household, I got PTed when I got in trouble. Sometimes In front of my friends. I thought that was bad. This was absolutely awful. I don`t usually say this but I hope DSS goes in and takes her kids. No one but war criminals deserves this.
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Female 82
OH MY GOD. I have a feeling ... i want to hit that cxxt in the face. Right know. If i would have been in the audience, i probably would have entered the stage and hit her so hard, straight to the face. Oh my god, i am so angry. what a fuxxxng ...
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Male 41
Surprise, surprise some old bastards going on about how they got hit and they`re fine when they are just as messed up as kids in this generation. So keep your vast generalisations to yourself

Violence towards children is wrong and it doesn`t make children any better a person learning things that way. Children can be taught morals and proper behaviour without having to get punished like that.
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Male 306
Wonder where she lives...
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Male 586
@Fuego - Kinky...
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Female 412
@yepimbored: I also grew up in the 80s and 90s and yes, my parents spanked me sometimes. But they never, ever gave me hot sauce or cold showers. That just goes way too far! She went on for waaaay too long.

If kids become scared of going to their parents for anything, that`s when it`s abuse. Do you think this kid is going to come to his mum for comfort when he`s scraped his knee or had a bad dream? I don`t think so.
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Male 131
You can`t spank kids, yell at them, hurt their feelings, or anything these days. I`m old enough now to have seen some kids born in the 90`s to liberal softie parents that let their kids "explore" and do whatever the hell they wanted to- now that they`re teenagers, quite a few already have pretty extensive arrest records, gang affiliation, etc.

It`s hot sauce and cold water. Yeah, mom went on way too long but at least the kid will learn consequences of his behavior.

For you teens out there- we didn`t have kids holding classrooms hostage and shooting people in the 80`s and early 90`s. Columbine with some coddled precious snowflake goth attention-starved wimps started all that crap.
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Male 50
when this kid gets older and can defend himself this "mum" is going to need protecing kids never forget abuse like that also as some others have pointed out the only thing the kid has learnt here bullying and torture get you what you want this poor kid is going to end up in prison at some point

if this is what a religion teaches you can keep it
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Male 225
this is a future murderer. and i will be happy to help him become a serial killer
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Male 1,287
I`d like 30 minutes alone with her and a substantial quantity of pure capsaicin.
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Male 605
mmm Tapitaio.... poor kid will never know the wonders of Hot sauce bc he was tramatuized by it!
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Female 108
Seen this mean personbag on Dr. Phil....I hope he got that boy taken away. He is a twin, the other is treated like gold. I hope she rots in hell, I just want to grab that nasty hair of hers and punch her in the face. And the Cards that the boy is talking about is like a grading system to let the parents know how the kids were that day in school. I don`t care what he did, he didn`t deserve hot sauce and a cold shower.
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Female 108
Seen this mean personbag on Dr. Phil....I hope he got that boy taken away. He is a twin, the other is treated like gold. I hope she rots in hell, I just want to grab that nasty hair of hers and punch her in the face.
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Male 77
since when do you spell moron with two m`s?
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Female 37
That is straight child abuse... they should take him from her, poor kid will be traumatised,
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Female 45
@I-IS-BORED, in American elementary schools, alot of teachers have things set up that when you get in trouble in class, you have to pull a card under your name. The first time is a warning, the second is usually a punishment, like not getting to go to recess, the third is most likely a trip to the principle and a letter to your parents. She was over reacting about it. If I pulled a card or two, I got grounded from t.v. so I made sure to not do it anymore.
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Male 577
Oh man, wow. That woman needs to have her kids taken away. Where is her husband? He`s cool with this?
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Male 271
i hate the death penalty, i hate over reactions, and i firmly believe that law should be reason without passion.

saying all that, i wouldn`t mind 5 minutes with this woman, and a bottle of hot sauce.

sick. just awful. this legitimately made me feel repulsed.
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Female 2,525
I had to take a minute and come back to this because it made me so angry.

All I can say is that she is only inviting bad behavior by abusing him this way. Of course he`s going to lie to avoid getting into trouble, because he is terrified of her. Children should trust their parents, not fear them. He is going to be a nightmare as a teen.
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Male 2,419
ya! how dare he uhhh... pick up 3 cards?... were these satanic demon worshiping cards? did he steal 3 sets of nuclear launch codes and then use them? no? then wtf?
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Female 833
this is drating evil. i am a parent to a 4 year old and there is no drating way i would EVER do that to my daughter!
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Male 395
Thanks for the link Davymid!
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Female 1,478
Had to read through all those posts between mine and the end.

Auburnjunky: "What if he grows up understanding cause and effect, while at the same time learning the importance of rules and good behavior?"

`Understanding` and `learning` are well and good, and I hope that someday I can instill that into any future children I may have. But getting them to follow through in a positive, or at least, not negative way, is the challenge.

Sbeelz: "I hate to promote Dr. Phil`s show, but those of you involved in this discussion who didn`t bother to Google this, it`d be worth checking out the page."

I can appreciate the suggestion, but -this- link to -this- video is what we were given, and I, personally, am responding to only this video. Obviously nothing any of us say can help this woman with her situation, so doing the research to get so involved in it further isn`t worth my time. I just feel a bit bad for both the mom and son, that`s all. <
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Male 18
hehe reminds me of my mother sometimes,except she would drag me and put chili in my mouth. she would do that when i would learn [an call her] new words. like bitch, & dumb ass ext. lmao
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Female 859
That`s drated.
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Male 916
i think i would have preferred that instead of what i got.
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Male 759
Who let a garbage pale kid have babies?!?!

This is nuts, this is the kind of poo POWs go through.
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Male 12,138
I`m slightly drunk and making an asshat of myself at this point, so I`m going to bow out on this light-hearted link on kids and parents from Louis CK for those who haven`t seen it yet.

Don`t hate me too much.

Hate Bleach

Peace out.
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Male 12,138
[quote]@davymid, the problem with most people is that they don`t see their children as little people. There`s an age where trying to reason with your child won`t work (usually between 2 and 3, but of course it depends on the individual child)[/quote]
Yep, got it. Like I said, she`s 4 now. By default, had to get past the 2 and 3, and we did alright.

Meh, I have to apologise. I`ve gotten to the stage now where I don`t even know how I`m railing against anymore.

All I know is, what I just saw was wrong. And I hate to pull that patronising "You don`t know until you`ve been a parent" bullcrap. People just know, fundamentally, instinctively, what`s right and wrong.
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Male 488
That kid has now learned that bullying and torture are acceptable forms of control. And through no fault of his own he will turn out a monster. But I suppose in the defence of the vile mother this could explain her own issues too? The only way now is to remove the child to break the cycle.
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Female 42
That`s so horrible. It`s one thing to teach your kids right from wrong, it`s another thing to torture them. There`s a big difference between making a kid hold a mouthful of hot sauce like that and getting an ice-cold shower and a spanking, for one. Children`s taste buds are more highly attuned to tastes than ours are (which is why some things you didn`t like as a kid you like now and vice versa). I seriously doubt that a lot of the people in this room that are 18+ could hold hot sauce in their mouth as much as that kid did. That looked like it was at least a full tablespoon.

I hope CAS comes after that mom.
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Female 1,297
This was incredibly distressing just to watch. Poor child
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Male 54
...And this child is going to be a teenager very soon. He is either going to resent the hell out of his mother if not knock her on her ass.

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Female 803
@davymid, the problem with most people is that they don`t see their children as little people. There`s an age where trying to reason with your child won`t work (usually between 2 and 3, but of course it depends on the individual child), and a type a discipline, even if it`s just a time out, is necessary. Nowadays it seems as though parents either take it way too far or don`t discipline at all.
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Male 12,138
Look, I have a 4-year-old kid, I`m her dad, and she in turn is a little person. She also happens to be my best friend, though that is not a prerequisite.

Screw religious affiliations etc, this isn`t about religion. Or adoptive parents, those are details here. What I witnessed here what just deeply, deeply wrong, on a very great number of levels.

It`s a person. A small person, but a person nonetheless. Makes me sad.
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Male 12,138
[quote]umm depending on the child is if i find this wrong or not does this child respond to that discipline??? my girl i cannot spank her so she loses all privileges and that works on her my boy though dont care if he loses anything or timeouts so he has to get a spanking but what do you all want her to do send him to his room with his cable tv Xbox PS3 and wii and what lesson is that teaching funny i got spankings slaped in the mouth and things alot worse than what is seen here and OMG i am a productive member of the world either i am a rareity or that sort of punishment might actualy work just something to think about[/quote]
Mandingo, I have literally no idea what your point was. Learn 2 English, please.

Blindly delving into the depths of your wild mind-gasm, it appears that you`re advocating some sort of child-torture of this type being appropriate to certain children, though I`m not certain of that.
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Female 404
awwwwwwwwwwwwwww I remember that feeling of being so scared of my parents when I would get in trouble :`(
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Male 2,402
@Batmanners

Somebody is full of hyperbole.
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Female 114
the cold shower is too much
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Male 498
thats just being mean
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Male 6,737
drating horriffic...
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Male 12,138
That is f*cking horrific. She should be taken outside and shot.

Twice.

Just to make sure.
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Male 2,690
A cold shower is just flat out torture to a little kid.
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Male 1,744
just shows no matter what religion (or lack there of) people can be f*cked up

Can`t we all just not get along and hate each other just for the sake of it?
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Male 4,004
@Mandingo:

1. Learn to punctuate.
2. Proof-read yourself.
3. Correct yourself.
4. If your son has a Tv, XBox, PS3 and a Wii in his room, don`t tell me you have nothing to take away from him.
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Male 1,547
I got the same treatment as a young kid. I don`t think it`s cruel. In fact, now I like hot sauce and cold showers. It`s disgusting that in this day and age, this is considered child abuse. It equates loving parents with the people who actually harm their kids. She is doing more harm to her kids by being a Mormon and indoctrinating them than she is by giving negative reinforcement.
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Male 4,004
I love how this convo is going...but the fact everyone is judging this woman based on 2 minutes of footage is appalling. Don`t be quick to judge. She is seeking and accepting help, and obviously didn`t go on Dr.Fail to go and be judged by all these uppity housewives.

And, in all seriousness, the fact it says Mormon in the title does matter. Since Mormons pride themselves in Family values and love and understanding. Remember the old commercials for the Church of J.C. of Latter Day Saints? The kids messed up and the parents were loving and understanding?

See:
http://bit.ly/bLOR5
http://bit.ly/gNI6Kk
http://bit.ly/gtw8nB

And that is why it mentions religion in the title.
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Male 192
umm depending on the child is if i find this wrong or not does this child respond to that discipline??? my girl i cannot spank her so she loses all privileges and that works on her my boy though dont care if he loses anything or timeouts so he has to get a spanking but what do you all want her to do send him to his room with his cable tv Xbox PS3 and wii and what lesson is that teaching funny i got spankings slaped in the mouth and things alot worse than what is seen here and OMG i am a productive member of the world either i am a rareity or that sort of punishment might actualy work just something to think about
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Male 871
would people be so quick to defend other criminals if the went on tele to ask for forgiveness?
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Male 4,004
@Thatjimguy "And the title is about Mormons....why? "
@Korahn "why is it necessary to mention she`s a mormon in the title? "

To quote the great Me.
"She is abusive because she is Mormon. No other reason.

This video is therefore proof that all Mormons are abusive parents, no exceptions. None of them, not one, is worthy of being a parent.

There. You wanted to know what this video insinuated, well I just confirmed all your speculations about what the title said, and it is, in fact, all true."
-Me 2010.
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Male 586
DCFS DCFS DCFS! and they don`t want to give loving gay couples adopted kids. what is wrong with this world.
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Male 2,868
People who keep saying she needs to go to jail or lose custody of her kids- seriously, get the full story at Dr. Phil`s website. She realizes that she needs to change her behavior, which is why she wanted to go on Dr. Phil. She didn`t go on the show to defend her behavior- she is actively looking for help. Granted, she`d probably be better off doing so off the air, but whatever. And basically, Dr. Phil told her that she has to go along with his plan to have therapists work with her in her home and if she doesn`t, CPS will be called in to deal with the situation. The fact that she`s willing to accept help shows that she cares about her kid- do you really think he`ll be better off with some random foster parents? I`ve definitely heard of worse poo than this happening to kids in foster homes (to be fair, there are plenty of excellent parents fostering kids as well).
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Male 1,256
Religion aside (as it has no apparent direct connection to the content of this video), this is fcuking unacceptable. This woman should go straight to jail, and her son should be put in the care of someone with at least an ounce of sanity, because it is clear that this woman has absolutely none. This is so terrible.
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Female 25
@thatjimguy: I agree with you.
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Male 871
@Korahn it was a general comment directed at anyone thinking inflicting pain on a child is acceptable and not abuse.
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Male 2,402
@anchorite replies:
Monday, November 29, 2010 9:55:33 PM
And when does it say she`s Mormon in this video clip? Someone just point that out to me.

I think this is awful. But why does it matter what religion she is anyways? Religion is its own thing.. the people who are apart of those religions should act according to the principles and such, but just because you find people who don`t and people who are cruel.. doesn`t mean you can use that to bash the religion and therefore make EVERY PERSON of that religion look bad

See that picture of Christ in the hallway during the video before she takes the boy into the bathroom? It`s standard protocol for LDS families to have that in their household.

Second and no it`s not indicative of all religious families. It`s usually the few bad people who don`t have a grasp on Christs teachings on Charity (Christlike Love). However I can promise you that the LDS church will not tolerate this abuse with such video evidence
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Male 378
that kid is going to grow up to hate hot sauce. which is a shame because hot wings are awesome.
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Male 1,442
@McDuff - if that was directed at me, I wasn`t defending it, just saying it doesn`t seem that bad. Firstly, I have never nor would I use that as punishment for my kids (that`s MY hot sauce, dammit). Second, I didn`t realize he had to hold it in his mouth.

The punishment for my kids is nice and simple - they lose their video games and/or TV. It seems to work.

@NexusLetum - ok, thanks. My son has something like that (in grade 1) they start at a green apple and each time they had to be spoken with 3 times, they get moved down to yellow, then red. They lose 10 minutes of free time after lunch if they hit red. After 20 "green" days, they get to choose a prize (like a Dollar Store thing).
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Male 10,338
@batmanners:

I`ve watched it a few more times, and I agree.

Maybe the kid has issues? Not mental, just behavioral, and the mom doesn`t quite know how to deal.
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Male 474
And the title is about Mormons....why?

Is there some kind of connection you wish to make between the Church of Jesus Christ of Latter Day Saints and child abuse?

I know that people here have a big problem against religion in general, but this isn`t right.
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Male 294
@auburnjunky sorry about the late reply wanted to eat...

You`re right, like I meant to say, there are far worse ways to discipline your kid, and while I dislike her tone I don`t think she`s a horrible monster (a chance for her to learn, not go to jail). Like you said, we don`t know what happens when the camera turns off.

In her defense, the kid was fighting in school (and that`s direct from the video), and the kid lied to his mom. It`s not a good thing. If his behavior is constantly like that, I can see even a caring mother getting frazzled from lack of knowing how to handle the situation.

For everyone who just wants to villify her remember this, being a parent is hard, it comes with no instruction manual. She`s at least seeking help, even if it`s from Dr. Phil.
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Male 4,004
@Auburnjunky

I can`t speak for everyone, but this kid seemed scared of her from the start. 1:44, she just talks and he twitches...the only time I twitched is when my dad would raise his hand to smack me upside the head, not when he was talking to me.

There is just something "off" about the way she does it... I can understand a cold shower (works great for kids who throw tantrums), I can understand hot sauce, I can understand speaking loud and sternly to the kid...but the way she does it...just seems cruel.

I don`t know what it is, but it seems cruel.
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Male 2,868
@aubernjunky-
sounds like an appropriate response to me. The fact that you only had to do that once ever says a lot- if a parent has to spank their kid all the time, it`s obviously not working.
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Male 10,338
"Sorry AJ but the Savior overules the OT."

AGREED!

Thanks for that.
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Male 649
It`s better than the crap my dad put me through when I was a kid. Hot sauce would have a hell of a much better punishment! Also I like hot sauce lol
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Male 146
When he pulls four cards, she waterboards him.
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Male 2,402
Auburnjunky replied:
Monday, November 29, 2010 9:22:40 PM
"I guess she doesn`t pay attention to WWJD."

"He who spareth the rod hateth his son: but he that loveth him correcteth him betimes" (Proverbs 13:24) and "Withhold not correction from a child: for if thou strike him with the rod, he shall not die. Thou shalt beat him with the rod, and deliver his soul from hell." (Proverbs 23:13-14).

Handys003 responded:
Mark 9:42 And whosoever shall aoffend one of these little ones that believe in me, it is better for him that a millstone were hanged about his neck, and he were cast into the sea.

Sorry AJ but the Savior overules the OT.
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Female 25
And when does it say she`s mormon in this video clip? Someone just point that out to me..

I think this is awful. But why does it matter what religion she is anyways? Religion is its own thing.. the people who are appart of those religions should act according to the principles and such, but just because you find people who don`t and people who are cruel.. doens`t mean you can use that to bash the religion and therefore make EVERY PERSON of that religion look bad.
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Male 1,378
Another religious nut?
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Male 10,338
@sbeelz:

I have only taken a belt to one of my kids one time. My 13 year old bought $700 worth of yoville cash with MY credit card. Went right into my wallet and took it without telling me, and replaced the card. THEN he tried to play it off!

Oooooooh what a blistering!

After that (a few days later when I could speak to him with a straight face) I made him call the credit card company and tell them what he did. THEN I called the local police department to come over and one of the officers gave him a lecture on credit card fraud.

A few weeks later, he came up to me, randomly, and said he was sorry, hugged me, and asked if he could cut the grass to pay me back. (the charges were forgiven).

That`s a good kid. Sorry about my life story there lol.
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Male 2,868
Also, I think the fact that he said he lied because he was afraid of getting in trouble is telling. Yeah, kids`ll do that a lot of the time- but they`re way MORE likely to do it if they`re afraid of being abused when they get in trouble. Forcing a kid into a cold shower is fcuking abusive- not only is it painful, it`s totally humiliating. I was able to be honest with my parents because while I knew they`d be mad, and I knew I`d get punished, I also knew they weren`t gonna fly into a rage and do something batsh*t insane to me.
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Male 10,338
LOL @ LOLboy:

Wrong post.
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Male 798
elmustache: The thing is, I live in a city with a 40% latino population and my family is friends with other latino families. I have seen first hand how they treat their children, and they never actually talk to them but just smack them instead. Although I had some latino friends that managed to turn out alright, most of them turned to violence, having been brought up in it, and joined gangs because they thought they were cholos.
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Male 2,868
@auburnjunky- You sound like a pretty awesome dad. Plus, as you said, your kids rarely misbehave, so it`s obviously working. Based on what it says on Dr. Phil`s website, what this woman is doing is NOT working- she said that no matter what she does he misbehaves. If anyone is interested in getting the full story of this episode, it`s here

I hate to promote Dr. Phil`s show, but those of you involved in this discussion who didn`t bother to Google this, it`d be worth checking out the page.
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Male 10,338
"I respected my parent`s rules, but somehow still got in lots of trouble, and yet, never was afraid of them, despite the spanking and yelling."

I felt the same way too.

This is actually an awesome post man.

My question though. Was he scared of her, or scared of the punishment he knew he would get?

I know my ass used to be scared of my punishment, not my mom or dad.
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Female 48
It`s not necessarily the punishment itself that disturbs me, it`s the way she does it. First of all, she`s going to ruin that poor kid for hot sauce forever! Also, I think that kid is far FAR too young for that, and I can`t possibly imagine what he`d done to deserve that kind of punishment.
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Male 4,004
"Also, someone said the boy was scared of her? What is wrong with that? His ass should be scared. It`s called respect and humility. Something people are losing these days."

I think that was me. There is a difference between "respect and humility" and "fear". Fear is not a good thing. Respecting the person who feeds and clothes you is different.

I respected my parent`s rules, but somehow still got in lots of trouble, and yet, never was afraid of them, despite the spanking and yelling. The mom didn`t even hear him out, or give him a chance, he got a card? Punishment time!

I guess I was lucky and had a mom that would listen to my side of the story before punishing me. I didn`t lie about it (I`m not a liar, I hate lying, my conscience eats at me when I do, and then I tell the truth) and she would punish me if it was necessary.

Defending myself: No punishment.
Killing a frog with a rake: Punishment.
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Male 10,338
Oh okay. Thanks nexus.
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Male 10,338
"see thats why you should just smack them"

I am the active troll here. Leave in peace brother. ;)
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Female 136
@auburnjunky No no, they still eat, but they can`t go outside and play or see their friends. It`s still detention, but it saves schools from paying overtime. Also, prevents the parents from complaining about schedule changes and stuff.
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Male 871
Curry is lovely as long as its not too hot.
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Male 10,338
"I`d be fascinated to see if this boy grows into a wussy pile of goo or if he acts out and beats up girls and whatnot."

Why does that have to be the only options?

What if he grows up understanding cause and effect, while at the same time learning the importance of rules and good behavior?

Just playing devil`s advocate here.
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Male 1,834
see thats why you should just smack them
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Female 1,478
I`d be fascinated to see if this boy grows into a wussy pile of goo or if he acts out and beats up girls and whatnot.
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Male 10,338
I can see her err now that I think about it.

Why the hell was the hot sauce in the bathroom?

I can actually say this is too far, but we don`t see what happens when the cameras turn off.
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Male 55
i wish that kid would`ve spit that hot sauce in her face. i would`ve loled all day!!
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Male 10,338
"when I eat a curry thats too hot it hurts wether you call that a sensation or not is irrelevant it hurts and I`m an adult."

Pussy. Also, Curry is nasty.
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Male 10,338
"Most schools are starting to favor lunch/recess detentions"

Okay so they are punishing kids with malnourishment these days?

What ever happened to "3 licks, now go back to class"?
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Female 1,478
Hmmmm. I think that kid got the idea.. I think further punishment than having a very stern talk with him to get him to understand what he did wrong and why it was wrong, and the hot sauce (which.. she keeps in the bathroom..) was unneccessary. I also get the feeling she wanted to lower him to a crying mess.. I mean, really -wanted- to see that happen. Some people have control issues.. if they didn`t have enough, or feel they had enough, control in their lives until a certain point, they exact control over others to get that power and `rightness` back in their lives. We`re all only human, but sh*t, sometimes you need to take a step back and assess your own anger and motives.
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Male 871
when I eat a curry thats too hot it hurts wether you call that a sensation or not is irrelevant it hurts and I`m an adult.
She inflicts pain on this child.
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Female 48
This is seriously disgusting. I honestly couldn`t get halfway through without feeling like I wanted to vomit.
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Female 136
@korahn
Some teachers use a card system of punishment. You start with a green/blue card and steadily show progress as you gain more demerits/punishments/whatever usually in lieu of the school issuing after school detention. Most schools are starting to favor lunch/recess detentions and the cards keep track of behavior over a day/week.
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Male 10,338
"a burning substance"

Does it burn, or give the sensation of heat?

I love hot sauce BTW lol.
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Male 871
a burning substance held in his mouth its inflicting pain on a child and isnt right and your defence of it makes me wonder what sort of person you are.
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Male 10,338
"I guess she doesn`t pay attention to WWJD."

"He who spareth the rod hateth his son: but he that loveth him correcteth him betimes" (Proverbs 13:24) and "Withhold not correction from a child: for if thou strike him with the rod, he shall not die. Thou shalt beat him with the rod, and deliver his soul from hell." (Proverbs 23:13-14)
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Male 1,442
A) why is it necessary to mention she`s a mormon in the title?

B) What does it mean to "pull 3 cards"? - - Not sure what is SOO bad that he deserves this.

C) The hot sauce thing isn`t so bad (most of us got soap in our mouths for swearing when we were younger), but the cold shower and constant yelling in the kids face... I don`t agree with that.
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Male 10,338
@mcduff:

Where`s bodily harm? Food held in his mouth for 60 seconds?
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Male 871
its a physical assault on a child, causing bodily harm to a child is never acceptable, the mother is a bully and an abuser.
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Male 2,402
I also noted the picture of Jesus Christ in the hallway. I guess she doesn`t pay attention to WWJD.
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Male 10,338
@sbeelz:

I don`t go crazy with it, and I am very stern with them before it begins, but I am supportive during the punishment (like a spotter. YOU CAN DO IT! YOU GOT THIS!).

My youngest boy has some KILLER quads, and he is fast as hell. lol
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Male 2,402
I might add she will be reported to Child Protective Services based on this video.
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Male 10,338
LOL! Successful troll is successful!

Seriously though. What does her being Mormon have to do with anything?
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Male 2,402
That is not indicative or tolerated in LDS doctrine. Since a member will have seen this episode. I`m sure she`s going to be brought up on disciplinary matters to the Bishopric including the father. This is cause for ex-communication as of abuse is not tolerated by the church and is in the Church handbook of instructions. Abuse of children is never tolerated if found out.
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Male 1,365
Auburn Junky, my kids have fallen at times, but they learn, move on and try harder. Regret nothing and try. What the heck does that have to do with abuse? By the way, my method worked so poorly my kid has a 4 year
full ride to Columbia N.Y. , and his sister is already been approached by Northwestern in Il. So your points are moot my household.
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Male 2,868
OK, yeah, fine, corporeal comes from the root "corpus" which means body, and by making kids exercise you`re technically punishing the body, but you`re still making them healthier and I applaud your creative parenting (unless you go totally overboard and make them do squat-thrusts until they can`t walk for days)
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Female 136
@auburnjunky
Laps are not corporal punishment. They won`t make your kids look at you like you`ll kill them the moment you get mad at anything. This kid looks like his mom`s gonna bury him for a drating argument over some goddamn pencils.

But your constant replies to every post defending yourself and your methods, aimed at you or not, indicates your status as a troll or a very guilty conscience. Whether you meant to or not you`ve become a very good troll. Well played.
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Male 2,868
auburnjunky-
I wouldn`t consider those things corporeal punishment. Corporeal punishment means, in my mind, INFLICTING pain. Yes- pushups, situps, etc can be painful. But at the same time, making kids exercise is VERY different from hitting them. Besides, exercise is good for them. (although maybe you`re running the risk of making them hate exercising? Probably not).
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Male 1,365
Auburnjunky, love is subjective. Your defintion is obviously different than mine. No way can you truly love something that you would treat that way. Rationalize all you want, it`s inhumane.
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Male 2,868
auburnjunky-
If you go to Dr. Phil`s website, you can get more information about this situation. It doesn`t look too good. She says she`s at her wit`s end with the kid and does this kind of thing all the time. To her credit, she did take the initiative to seek help from Dr. Phil. However- considering the fact that he`s got sh*tloads of people writing to him, I wonder if she`d actually have gotten any real help if she`d never heard back from Dr. Phil.
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Male 314
It`s not really the punishment that`s scary, but the way she drills things into the kid`s head seems kinda militaristic
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Male 10,338
"but corporeal punishment is not."

What do you suggest? Trick them into submission?

When disciplining my children, I have different punishments for different offenses. NONE involve touching the child in any way, but they feel it when they are done.

Push-ups. Wall squats. Sit-ups. Laps around the house. Works wonders. They hardly misbehave lol.
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Male 314
Wow kinda scary, but i guess to each his own. I mean she gets raise her family however she wants, granted she doesn`t put the boys life at risk or abuses him
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Male 768
Yeah, I don`t see much prob either. Cold shower and hot sauce aren`t exactly torture.
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Male 10,338
@deadkittens:

Back when I was in middle/high school, we had to take ice baths up to our neck for 60 seconds EVERYDAY after practice, so I feel ya.

Kids though, would much rather have this, than a belt. I know I would.
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Male 2,868
hwkiller
Yeah- you`re totally right. I had it inside-out and backwards. Negative reinforcement is the removal of a negative stimulus to reward good behavior- not a recommended way to raise a child. "Billy, you can take your steel-wool sweater off once you eat your peas." Yeah, no.

And yeah, punishment is necessary- but corporeal punishment is not. Corporeal punishment is often about a parent taking their anger out on their kids, though not always. I don`t think that spanking a kid is the best way to discipline them, but I don`t think there`s really evidence that it`s likely to traumatize them either.

This woman`s behavior, however, looks very likely to cause this kid some serious long-term psychological problems.
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Female 75
wow I really want to kill this lady!!
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Male 10,338
@janus:

How do we know she didn`t hug him and shower him with love after his punishment? This is the problem. We don`t know their household. We don`t know anything after the fact.

We just know what the entertainment show Dr. Phil wants us to know, so he can prey on the sensibilities, or lack thereof, of soccer moms who think a 10 minute time out is a horrible punishment.
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Male 1,252
Anyone who thinks getting the belt is worse than a cold shower is nuts, bring on the belt.. a COLD shower numbs you so fast you can maybe..MAYBE count down from 15 before you jump out to lather, and if your LUCKY youll make it to 5, soap up jump in and same again, MAYBE 10 seconds. jump and spend the next 2 hours numb and suffering from stiffness and achy muscles.....All this as a GROWN man let alone a 5 year old (?) kid.
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Male 294
Yeah, as much as I didn`t like the tone of the parent, I`m kind of in the same boat as auburnjunky. Punishment for something done wrong shouldn`t feel good, even to watch.

That said, she wasn`t hitting the child, I disagree with hot sauce (but I love hot sauce), but the idea is to associate something bad and very uncomfortable with poor behavior.

I think the big problem with it is that the child is terrified, and most of that is coming from the tone of the parent. No one, and I mean NO ONE, wants to feel that kind of demeaning treatment, you can`t expect a child to not lie to avoid being treated like that.

The big problem is the child is left without dignity. You may feel it`s a big concept for children to understand, but they do at least on some level.

I`m personally okay with corporal punishment, but not the fear she`s instilling.
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Male 10,338
I don`t understand the Mormon connection, but that isn`t what bothers me.

What bothers me is how some people think this is torture and abuse.

It clearly is not.

I`d rather have hot sauce than soap, and I`d VERY MUCH rather have a 2 minute cold shower than a spanking with a belt.
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Female 850
she is pretty harsh. i mean i wouldve taken the spankings before i took the hot sauce. she makes him hold it in..... someone try this at home and report back plz :D
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Male 886
Seems as many if not more people are upset at the percieved slight to Mormons than they are with the treatment of a child.

Defensive much Mormons?
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Male 2,441
You are right, the child clearly is not unloved otherwise she wouldn`t punish him and try to teach him what is right. But she is going way over the top with the punishment!
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Male 10,338
"the rest of us will bring our children up to be happy and fearless."

...and the first time they experience failure, or a need to be fearful, they will lose, miserably, and resent their parents who did not prepare them for life.
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Male 10,338
"the rest of us will bring our children up to be happy and fearless."

...and the first time they experience failure, or a need to be fearful, they will lose, miserably, and resent their parents who did not prepare them for life.
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Female 2,674
FeelTheRide: I`m not really trying to `get at` anybody... I Just wanted to discuss how her being Mormon is irrelevant. But thanks for the info :)


Batmanners: Wow! That was not the reaction I was expecting from my comment.
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Male 1,365
She did strike the child twice while he was in the shower, watch the full episode. She admitted so. Those of you who think this is acceptable will never be convinced otherwise, it is the machinations of your enviroment, and that is pretty hard to undo, the rest of us will bring our children up to be happy and fearless.
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Male 10,338
I`ll agree with 53590. Abusive? NO. Pushing it? Probably.
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Male 541
What a crazy lady. Someone should have called child services, this is clearly unacceptable. Cold shower, what the drat is this, Third Reich?
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Male 10,338
"Poor kid, unloved and hated by those who are supposed to protect him"

How do you know this from a 3 minute clip? There are 24 hours in a day you know.
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Male 20
Was she pushing it? Yeah, she probably was. Was she being abusive? I don`t think so. this would fit my definition of very borderline abusive or not abusive. what has this world come to where every time a parent gives physical pain to their child it is considered abuse.

Another thing. Why so much emphasis on the fact that she was a Mormon. I don`t see how that has any relevance to the video. I am not a Mormon but i can see how a Mormon would be very offended by this. unless there is some sort of religious reason for what she is doing. In which case, I take back what i said.
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Male 490
@sbeelz
You`re completely wrong though.

The removal of positive stimuli is not negative reinforcement. That is negative punishment. More specifically, that is response cost, a subset of (-) punishment.
Punishment weakens a response; reinforcement strengthens response.
And punishment *does* work and *is* necessary at times.
The best way to encourage a positive behavior though is to reinforce it, not punish *other* behaviors. Punishment is, at times, necessary, but isn`t recommended as the primary method of behavioral modification.
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Male 10,338
"Love is not best shown through punishment, punishment can easily be given even by someone who is indifferent or who hates you."

How do we know she doesn`t treat him like a little king when he is well behaved?

How do we know this is a usual occurrence in their household?

I say she wasn`t yelling, because I have yelled at my kids a few times, and it was A LOT louder than that. To me, that sounds more like being very stern.
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Male 1,365
Sick, ruined my night. Poor kid, unloved and hated by those who are supposed to protect him from the bad in the world.
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Female 136
@auburnjunky
I don`t know what video you were watching, but that sounded like yelling to me. Also reminded me of a brutal interrogation actually. Certainly not the best way to treat a kid, but I`m not gonna judge her on a few minutes of discipline. Even if it was for some really stupid poo.

Also, while fear does command attention and obedience. It does NOT command respect. Love is not best shown through punishment, punishment can easily be given even by someone who is indifferent or who hates you. Especially if there are cameras watching.
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Male 10,338
Also, I can tell that she loves him, and that she cares about his well being, BECAUSE she punishes him.

At least she didn`t say "You pulled 3 blue cards? Okay time out for 15 minutes, then you can do whatever."

Also, someone said the boy was scared of her? What is wrong with that? His ass should be scared. It`s called respect and humility. Something people are losing these days.
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Male 10,338
She was very nice to him, and did not yell at him while reinforcing his mistakes.

The actual punishment was the consequence. Just talking to him as an equal at his age would be a mistake. She spoke slowly and sternly.

Like I said before, she didn`t take a belt or switch to his ass, which is what would have happened to those of us that grew up right.
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Male 2,868
"The Joke is on her. Hot sauce causes the brain to release endorphins. In a round about way, she has rewarded his bad behavior"

Actually, any form of corporal punishment that causes physical pain will release endorphins- and you`re right, for a lot of kids punishment actually reinforces behavior rather than discouraging it; especially if they only receive attention from a parent when they behave badly.
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Female 870
I felt bad for this child until the shower, then I almost cried. One obvious thing: the child is adopted. She doesn`t see herself or her childs fathers face in her son`s eyes. She isn`t attached enough to sympathize with the little boy. Better pray she never has any kids of her own, or this child isn`t gonna just be abused. He`ll be abused, then ignored. :(((
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Male 2,868
@FeelTheRide-
I didn`t exactly come up with that explanation on my own- I`ve taken a lot of psychology classes.
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Female 451
why the hell stop the video there? I NEED TO SEE WHAT DR. PHIL SAYS!
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Male 10,338
Okay. I watched `till the cold shower. I have a question.

Where was this supposed abuse?

At least he didn`t get spanked with a belt like ALL PEOPLE over the age of 30 did!

Jesus. If this is abuse, it`s only a matter of time until "time out" is considered harsh.
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Female 259
Oh lawdy, I`m glad my parents didn`t treat me like that.
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Female 515
@Batmanners: BAHAHAHA
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Male 4,004
@DixieRarr: She is abusive because she is Mormon. No other reason.

This video is therefore proof that all Mormons are abusive parents, no exceptions. None of them, not one, is worthy of being a parent.

There. You wanted to know what this video insinuated, well I just confirmed all your speculations about what the title said, and it is, in fact, all true.
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Female 515
excuse me, it wasn`t posted by dr phil show. At any rate, whoever submitted this to IAB just copied the title of the video
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Female 515
@DixxyRarr: The poster probably just copied the title of the video, which was most likely posted on youtube by the Dr. Phil show. So the show is the one you should get at about religion bashing, not IAB :-)
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Male 4,004
If anything the only reason this kid acts up when the mom isn`t around is because he can finally have some fun.

A teacher isn`t going to hot sauce and cold shower him...who cares about a card? I was an energetic kid, acting before thinking, got me in lots of trouble, and I don`t recall ever worrying about what my parents would do when I did things, and I got my ass smacked with the wooden spoon a few times...but that didn`t stop me from doing stupid poo.
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Female 515
@sbeelz, I guess I misread that. I just went back and re-read. she did say he was seen by a professional, but wasn`t sure if he was diagnosed.
I totally agree about what you said about discipline!! Best way I have heard that explained.
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Female 2,674
FeelTheRide: But what does that have to do with this small clip? For the sake of this post on IAB, it could have been left off. It just sort of feels like religion-bashing. I think it insinuates that she`s abusive because she`s Mormon, not because she has other issues.
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Female 247
Holy poo...
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Male 4,004
"The Joke is on her. Hot sauce causes the brain to release endorphins. In a round about way, she has rewarded his bad behavior."

Yeah, but have you ever swooshed hot sauce before sex? Kinda ruins the mood...
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Male 2,868
@FeelTheRide- According to the Dr. Phil website, this child does not have a diagnosed mental disease. Dr. Phil speculates that the kid has a diagnosable mental disease, but it does not seem he has actually diagnosed with anything. Not that it makes much of a difference to the point you are trying to make, which I agree with. However, few child mental-health specialists are going to recommend any kind of "punishments," or at least they wouldn`t use that word to describe the negative consequences imposed for bad behavior. Negative reinforcement works much better (the difference being that negative reinforcement is the removal of positive stimuli- video games, TV, dessert, etc- as a consequence of bad behavior. Punishment is the use of negative stimuli- pain, yelling, insults, etc- as a consequence of bad behavior).
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Female 708
Does anyone have any contact information on this woman? I have a few words and bags of poo that would love to find their way to her :)
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Female 155
Well, of course hes gonna lie if you TORTURE him! Basic instinct is to preserve ourselves and he would be tortured anyway no matter what in that situation!
This is BARBARIC! :-O
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Male 4,004
"Over diagnosed, yes, but bullcrap? No."

He was saying diagnosing ADHD for this kid was bullcrap, not saying it didn`t exist.

@CrakrJak, the point isn`t what she did, it`s how she did it...it was a relentless verbal assault, with some torturous punishments on a child who is obviously already scared of his "mother".

also, I am pretty sure she was smacking him when he was in the shower...
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Female 515
@DixxyRarr: She disclosed that information. on the show. I think I have posted that response to the same comment you made like 39 times lol
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Female 2,674
Oh! That was hard to watch. The worst my mom did to me was the standard `mom arm grab`... you know when she gets you right in the bicep and leads you away from whatever mess you`re into.

I don`t like that the link labels her as Mormon. What`s that got to do with anything?
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Female 31
I just watched the recap on the Dr. Phil website. The mother seemed to welcome ANY advice on how to handle the situation. She said she just couldn`t handle the child...though with that being said, I`m a mandated reporter, and if I knew something like this was going on in a home of one of my clients, I would have to call CPS.
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Female 92
I remember watching this on Dr. Phil.. the kid is a twin.. and they love his twin, but they said this one has `disorders`. Tsk.
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Male 2,309
But on a related note...isn`t this the kind of stuff they actually DO to torture people? Cold water torture seems pretty effective.
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Male 2,309
"I don`t know what this kids diagnosis is, But the ADHD diagnosis is bullcrap. Most kids diagnosed with it are not really ADHD, It`s very over diagnosed. And it`s pushed by teachers that want quiet perfectly behaved little zombies to teach. "

Over diagnosed, yes, but bullcrap? No.
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Male 886
@patthebaker

I have to admit it...I laughed out loud. then groaned. then laughed some more:P
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Female 448
This just makes me sad. :(
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Female 52
I think that lady just needs to chill.
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Male 257
this disgusts me to know that her children where not taken away from her and that she wasn`t whipped flayed and left in a cage to be poked in a zoo at exhibit for the rest of her sad embarressment of a life. If i was in the audience i`m ashamed to admit i wouldn`t have to will power not to get up walk down to the stage and kill her. People who torture their own children deserve nothing better then euthenization, there no excuse or reason to brutalize a helpless creature that wants nothing more than to love you and be loved in return.
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Male 1,766
The pleasure is mine. If i can get one person to laugh at child abuse then my work here is done.
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Female 515
@patthebaker: I totally didn`t until you just posted that. LOL...literally LOLing
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Male 1,766
Am i the only one who imagined her as samuel l. Jackson in pulp fiction?
CARDS MUTHF"ER!!! DID YOU PULL THEM.
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Female 515
@CrakrJak: I know it wasn`t ADHD, but I can`t remember what it was (and don`t feel like looking, lol)and I totally agree with you about ADHD being grossly over diagnosed.
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Male 886
" At least she isn`t leaving bruises and welts on him"-crakrjak

Do you listen to yourself? lmfao

Yeah, at least there are no visible marks of her mistreatment of a child.

/rollseyes

And it builds character right? What type of character does this build?

If this child grows up to be a man of strong character it won`t be because of this woman and her punishments. It will be in SPITE of this beastly woman.

And...namby pamby land? You like Sgt. Hartley eh? That was a pretty funny commercial..

Gotta love that ole` Devil Dog.

Oorah.

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Female 3,001
i cried all the way through the cold shower part, it was horrible :(
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Male 17,511
FeelTheRide: I didn`t know that the kid had mental problems, But she obviously does care or she wouldn`t have went on Dr. Phil`s show.

Good parents don`t like punishing their kids, It hurts them to have to. Once I realized that it really did hurt my parents, And that the phrase "This hurts me more than it does you" wasn`t just some mean bullsh|t, My childhood behavior improved greatly.

I don`t know what this kids diagnosis is, But the ADHD diagnosis is bullcrap. Most kids diagnosed with it are not really ADHD, It`s very over diagnosed. And it`s pushed by teachers that want quiet perfectly behaved little zombies to teach.
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Female 515
@Steve0x757: if you don`t see the problem you need to go to Crackpot Phil`s website and read the whole story.

I really wish IAB would post the whole story sometimes.
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Male 154
yeah i work in a daycare and trust me, this is not how you discipline a kid, especially one of that age. spanking is one thing, but this is just abuse.
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Male 881
The Joke is on her. Hot sauce causes the brain to release endorphins. In a round about way, she has rewarded his bad behavior.
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Male 100
I don`t see the problem?
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Female 515
@Gerry1of1: Her 11 year old daughter video taped that. Unfortunately there are other children living there, 5 other children. Hopefully she has gotten the help she needed or CPS intervened.
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Male 871
This isnt discipline or character building this is torture and abuse by a mother on its child.
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Female 515
@CrakrJak: The problem with her punishment is that the child has a diagnosed mental disease, and she said herself nothing has worked. But she has NOT gone to a professional to help with behavior problems. She didn`t care enough about him to find out what types of punishments would be effective.
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Male 40,208
Keep in mind, this was probably here "good behavior" because she knew the camera was running.

Makes me shudder to think what she did when the camera was turned off.
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Male 19
Oh man that was hard to watch; I believe in kids being disciplined, but hot sauce and a cold shower? That was sick.
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Male 17,511
I think she was `Angry` because the kid hid the cards from her. Which is understandable, Maybe she should`ve waited to administer the punishment until she had time to cool off. But her anger didn`t turn into physical abuse, She didn`t arbitrarily invent a new punishment or scream and yell at him.

However you want to slice it, These were less severe punishments than I ever got for similar misdeeds and I don`t consider myself to have ever been `abused` by my parents.

Personally, I believe some of you need to chugged back on over to namby pamby land, If you can`t handle disciplining your kids.
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Female 696
That kind of behavior could create some psychological problems in that child! Poor boy.
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Female 138
"What an extreme punishment, more emotionally damaging than physically."
I agree. I`m quite familiar with punishments like this my dad did similar things. I would honestly take a spanking than a prolonged punishment with hot sauce, a cold shower AND being yelled at repeatedly for something that I understood from the first punishment.
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Male 2,309
None of that would have worked on me. I used to eat hot sauce, and I love the cold. B!tch woulda had a ball with me.
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Female 515
@kingadaQ: the card things really aren`t that bad. teachers sometimes give them out for talking in class; it`s not like the kid lit the classroom on fire. lol
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Male 505
Crakr:

Punishment doesn`t have to be beatings or hot sauce. I was smacked once when i was a child it left no marks, wasn`t even painful i`m sure seeing as i had a nappy(diaper) on. There are far more effective punishments than that.

What makes it stand out to me, is that when i see a child get smacked (within reason obviously) it doesn`t affect me. Like wise with washing their mouth out (inneffective with my brother as he would eat soap and liked the taste). Watching her made me feel really uncomfortable and a little worried. Maybe it`s because its a bizzarre punishments, maybe i think she took things too far.
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Female 515
I think everyone needs to read the WHOLE story about this video! Yes kids need discipline, but the mother FLAT OUT said she felt no connection to that child. Kids act out more when they are afraid of someone, they lie when they are afraid of someone. There is a difference between disciplining your child and making them fear you. BIG difference!
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Male 2,344
ok when I was a kid i got my mouth washed out with soap or a spanking...but this lady has major anger issues and is taking it out on the child. child should be removed.
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Female 15
That kid is going to hate hot sauce when he gets older.
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Male 17,511
Wouldn`t have been my choice of punishment for the kid, But then again it`s not my kid.

I got my ass spanked for lying at this kids age, At least she isn`t leaving bruises and welts on him. She`s also making it clear what the punishments are beforehand and making him own up to his bad behavior.

I don`t believe the mom was `on a power trip`, She was building character. Better this kid have hot sauce in his mouth for a minute or two now, Than have him out stealing cars or selling drugs later in life.
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Male 2,548
Judging by the comments I think that I`ll either vomit or break something from watching this.
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Male 505
"I don`t think hot sauce, something that people put in their mouths every day"

How often do you take a mouthfull of it, swish it around, and hold it there. He`s a young child so its probably worse for him. Personally i can`t deal with hot stuff so that would be really pooty for me. I`m not saying that it`s physical abuse like sever beatings, but it is quite abusive.
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Male 40,208
Maybe water boarding DOES have some uses.... she deserves it
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Male 21
How is this child abuse??? Kids NEED discipline!!! It`s that simple. It`s always tough to watch parents do things like this to their kids... I doesn`t make it wrong though. This is unorthodox for sure, but it sure as hell aint abuse... I`d go back and trade his hot sauce and a cold shower for my slap in the face and wooden spoon over the rear end. I bet he won`t "Pull 3 Cards" ever again.... BTW should I know what that means?? Im assuming it`s bad.
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Female 515
@michaelcsr: I can`t stand that crack-pot either, but I had to see what the whole story on this was. I totally agree with spankings and discipline and punishment and all that good stuff; but if there are circumstances that some sort of mental illness is involved I think other forms of discipline might be more effective. The lady adopted that boy with his twin and said she immediately had a connection with the brother, but felt no connection to him. Basically she was saying she liked the brother more. That child was pretty much "disliked" (if you want to call it that) from the moment that woman met him. She said something like "well, we adopted them, and we can`t give them back so we just have to deal with it" it`s actually sad when someone says, let alone thinks, that about their child. Kids just want love, and he probably acts out because he doesn`t feel that from her. Kids are smarter than a lot of people give them credit for.
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Female 69
This is awful. Absolutely awful. I desperately hope that that child gets taken away and placed in a better home.

Not just because of the hot sauce, the cold showers, and the fact that she has clearly done this many times before. No, because of the way that boy flinched at 1:55 seconds. You don`t flinch that way if you`ve never been smacked around before. She`s hit him before, at least enough times for it to have become an unconscious reaction to sudden forward movement and verbal inflection.

Gods, I hate this woman. I hate people that hurt children.
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Male 40,208
Hot sauce and a cold shower aren`t abuse in the same sense locking them in a small closet isn`t abuse. It may not physically hurt them, but do it often enough and it screws up the psychie.

And this can only escelate and get worse over time. I think parents get ONE STRIKE. The kid needs rescued and put in a better home.

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Male 205
Jesus! Poor kid. I feel so bad for him. What an extreme punishment, more emotionally damaging than physically. This bitch should get that kid pulled from her.
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Male 559
Midge, anytime a kid gets in trouble is heartbreaking. When I sent my kids to their room for back talking or to the corner for disobeying when they were younger, it broke my heart, but kids need disipline.
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Male 559
Ok, feeltheride, you make valid points. I won`t nor will I ever waste time on the Phony Phil website, but if you say there`s more to the story there, then I believe you. However, my kids got a spanking whey they lied. Which was not to often so the disipline was effective. I know parents who still rub soap on their kids tongues when they use foul language. I don`t think hot sauce, something that people put in their mouths every day, is abuse.
It`s effective and harmless. Anyone who claims emotional abuse because of that is just pussies. Everything else you stated I can`t argue because maybe there is more on his site. I based my oppinion on what was shown here. And what was shown here was not bad except for her powertrip.
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Female 236
We used hot sauce as punishment for when my younger brothers used to say bad words, but only a dab on the lips was enough. She gave him an entire mouthfull and made him leave it in his mouth. The cold shower was too much as well. Hearing him cry like that broke my heart :`(
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Female 515
@michaelcsr, again if you check the site: she disclosed the information about her religion. She did not have to do that.
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Female 515
@michaelcsr: she is not a rookie mom; she has 5 other children. Check the Dr. Phil website.

And how can you people say "hot sauce isn`t that bad"? To a 7 yr old it`s pretty bad. Tapatio is pretty hot in general. If you actually READ the conversation Dr. Phil had with her you would get why this is so f**ked up. The kid was diagnosed with a behavioral disease; instead of the mother getting him help, or finding out from someone who is educated on the disease, she decides to pour hot sauce in his mouth and give him cold showers. She`s trying to get him not to lie; but the kid is lying because he is terrified of the punishment he`s going to receive. It`s a circle that she needs to break.
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Male 559
I don`t watch Dr Phil on tv, dolt. I see the videos posted on IAB. And btw, not that I have any love for Mormons, but what about this video makes any reference to her being a Mormon? I saw mothers in my own neighborhood who were JW, Catholic and protestant, that were way worse abusers than this chick was. How do we know she`s mormon?
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Male 335
Mormons are asshats.
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Male 12
Dude, who sits around and watches Dr. Phil? You Fail!
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Male 559
Ok, the cold shower was a bit extreme for getting a card pulled, but the hot sauce isn`t. I wouldn`t call this abuse. Just a rookie mom on a power trip. The boy wasn`t harmed. However, Dr. Phil is a douchebag who endangers people with his fake degree every day. Much more dangerous than that mom.
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Female 53
Gross...she has triangle hair & What a drating bitch. Someone needs to shove a bottle of hot sauce up her non-nice individual

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Male 2,440
I don`t see how being Mormon had anything to do with what she did, really.

In short, scary c*nt is scary and should not be allowed near children.
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Female 3,562
EdiMesic, people can change. Watch Supernanny sometime, most of the time parents like this actually want their kids to be good. She`s not TRYING to screw up his life, she`s just a massive failure of a parent. As long as she WANTS to change she can. If Phil could help her, that`s great. Honestly, I really doubt that after this public humiliation and exposure that she`s ever going to do something like that again.
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Male 67
Okay Slothofdoom, let`s try this: hot sauce does not physically damage digestive tissue. At all. Anyone who says it does is misinformed. Immersion in very cold water can certainly cause bad effects. He was taking a shower in water that was not hot. How cold was it? Freezing? How do you know? A cool shower can be uncomfortable without causing the slightest bit of harm. To put your final statement on its head: just because you imagine damage doesn`t mean it`s there.
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Female 3,562
Wow, it`s really not the punishment that bothers me, it`s how she acts. She`s like a damn drill sargent. Once the kid starts screaming in pain it`s gone far enough. I can imagine making a kid do these things as punishment, but she goes WAY too far. Part of me feels bad for her though, because I know this woman has no idea what she`s doing and how badly she`s screwing up or how to fix it. She`s lashing out at the kid because she doesn`t know anything better she can do, but that`s not the same as actually wanting to hurt him. I`m sure she thinks that this will teach her kid a lesson, but all he`s going to learn is that the world is unfair and he`s a bad person that everyone hates. I kind of want to watch the episode now, see what Phil had to say, but I doubt I`ll like it.
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Male 1,625
Lolboy: Justification of my abuse? Pshhh. Sabes que You got a lot to learn about getting raised in a latino household. I`ve got a great relationship with both mis parientes and they kept me and my siblings in line. So keep your analysis in check. Entiendes cabron?
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i dont know how i feel about that. people wash children`s mouths with soap and cold shower certainly isnt the worse punishment in the world....MB she has a point.
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Female 515
LOL @Gerry!!
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Male 40,208