God Changes Lesbian To A Straight Gal

Submitted by: dog_or_man 6 years ago in

There ya go, all better.
There are 175 comments:
Male 176
awwwwww broken link :(
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Male 174
So she went from unhappy lesbian to crazy born again. Nice job, God! Thanks for letting uncle Joe rape her.
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Female 1,101
@Musuko42 I am a normal weight thank you for your concern. I believe the last time I checked it was 23 or so? Not above 25.

I don`t care how you cut it a gay man who doesn`t wear condoms is STUPID. It`s not my responsibility to feel sorry for someone who didn`t protect themselves when people have known for many years now how HIV/AIDs is spread. They are not some sad tragic figure to be romanitcized by the media, they are idiots. Period.
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Female 129
So she went by what "God" thought was wrong or right not by what she felt. You know I wonder what it`d be like if the belief of "God" never existed.
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Female 246
well... there are cases like this too...
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Male 1,834
this is different because she turned lesbian because of a traumatic event this may not work for lesbians who are just lesbians
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Male 840
Christian Broadcasting Network is shameless in their propaganda.
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Male 4
God didn`t "fix" anything with her. Everything that changed about her was from her own doing. She just believe that it was possible for her to change and so she did. I just wish people could see how much they can accomplish if they would just believe in themselves.
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Male 25,416
Is it a good thing?
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Female 614
maybe she was confused to begin with. i had a roommate who complained about lugs (lesbians until graduate), but then she would get drunk and sleep with men. i don`t know, i feel like sexuality is all a little ambiguous, and god has nothing to do with it.

also, she said "jesus will you come in me"... whicch is just... too easy >_o
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Female 2,120
You`d figure "God" would get this sh*t right in the first place.
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Female 10
There are so many things I could rant about. I think I will just settle with saying that it`s great she got her life together, BUT PLEASE, YOU DID NOT MAGICALLY TURN STRAIGHT. actually, that`s impossible... so many studies have shown it`s impossible. Hence why psychologist and psychiatrists don`t treat homosexuality as a disease.

- A person that holds degrees in Psychology and Religion... who also happens to be a lesbian.
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Male 191
bullpoo.
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Male 15,832
[quote]No the assertion why not everybody be happy is stupid.[/quote]
Handjob, you can`t even compose a coherent sentence, and you`re calling ME stupid?
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Female 148
I feel sick
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Male 314
@Musuko
She choose which path she wanted to go down. She wanted to turn to God for help and so "followed his plan". Fact is, she made her OWN choices, so leave her alone
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Male 10,855
And no it`s not the "Reparative Therapy" crap.
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Male 10,855
@Musuko42

There is such a thing called Ego-dystonic sexual orientation fortunately there is a procedure recommended by the APA that doesn`t force you choose any orientation.
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Female 448
You know, she has a point. I was straight for so many years but finally, after having terrible relationships with guys and a drinking problem, God made me gay! Hallelujah!
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Male 2,850
@louiseaj

Let me rephrase what you said: "I was unable to rule my own life and discovered it was easier to just obey someone else and let them rule my life."

Oh wait, I didn`t need to rephrase it. You said exactly that:

"Now I`m following his plans for me and I can live the truly fulfilling, purposeful and productive life he wants for me."
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Male 2,850
@SPrinkZ

I wasn`t asking you.

You`re fit as hell. Well done.
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Female 8
I`d love to say this is crazy but I knew I was gay from age 11 and always struggled with accepting it, something didn`t sit right. Now at the age of 21 I`ve had this same experience. I never ever thought I would ever want a relationship with a man or find them attractive but I must say I feel like a completely different person now I have allowed God to help me.

You can never understand this until it happens to you or someone very close to you. I`m so happy God changed me, I could have never been happy as I was and never have pleased God enough. Now I`m following his plans for me and I can live the truly fulfilling, purposeful and productive life he wants for me.
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Male 208
Geogypsy that is like the best description ever, so very accurate for myself also.

As for the video, I really didn`t care. Let her be happy however.
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Male 762
ex-ex-gay you say?

How about ex-ex-ex-ex-gay? .... Ted Haggard.
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Male 6,693
Ugh.
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Male 63
This made me sick.
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Male 2,548
I don`t know what`s wrong with me but whenever I hear the words, "Jesus, come into my heart." I react like a kid watching kissy scenes in a movie.
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Male 535
this video makes me wanna throw up
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Male 10,855
Another fun link
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Male 10,855
ex gay you say?

How about ex-ex-gay.
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Female 2,674
She seems like a sweet lady, and she seems truly happy. Good for her.
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Male 3,076
god damn, religion is so drating stupid! Jesus loves everybody but humans can`t love the opposed sex -.- he loves you no matter what but if you love the opposed sex he will make you suffer in hell -.- and Christians says that it`s not healthy for a child to have two fathers but Jesus had two and he turned somehow OK, except for the dead part
@Musuko42 haha thanks I`ve alway wondered why the called it HIV/AIDS but i never bothered researching :-P
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Male 243
Religious people are scary.
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Male 29
Key points of this video:
Lesbians back in the early 90`s dressed so oddly that two old crones can pick them out of a church crowd.
Homosexuals need hope (to turn straight[?])
This woman strides to assert that she was assaulted by someone "outside her family".
All "informative" church videos share the same piano soundtrack.
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Male 2,309
Musuko, I have a BMI of obese, but I`m fit as hell. BMI is not a good measure of anything but anorexia. You are showing YOUR knowledge--which is lacking, and pretentious.
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Male 605
Now I hate boobs, and love rooster. Praise Jesus!
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Male 1,016
video by on knees for Jesus!!!!
Hey my name is Jesus!!!! Jesus Gomez ....now on your knees ...then when you`re done get in the kitchen and make me a sammich !!!
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Male 2,850
@CrakrJak

"Yes, AIDS can be present in any bodily fluid including sputum (spit)."

Again, your lack of understanding shows. HIV is the virus that may be present in the spit. AIDS is the effect of the virus.

HIV = Human immunodeficiency virus.
AIDS = Acquired immune deficiency syndrome.
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Male 2,850
@CrakrJak

"People who are Nurses, Doctors, Police, etc.. Have been exposed to AIDS through direct contact with patients bodily fluids"

They were exposed to HIV. AIDS is the syndrome that develops due to infection by HIV.

Small mistakes like that demonstrate a likely lack of knowledge on the larger issue in general.
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Male 2,850
@NotTHATbored

"I have had many gay friends and it makes me angry when some of them take their health so lightly."

What is your BMI?

Just making sure you`re not in a glass house while you`re busy casting those stones.
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Female 1,148
Ew.
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Male 17,511
Same here, Good night all.
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Female 1,101
Yes it is late... night all!
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Female 1,101
Mh. Yes this is true. It just sucks to not protect the people who really are discriminated against because of those who abuse the system.
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Male 10,855
And apparently they`re more effective and available than drug and alcohol intervention programs.


Crap it`s late, I rest my case, see you tomorrow!
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Male 17,511
NotTHATbored: Nope, I don`t think it`s anyone`s business during the hiring process to know what race, religion, sexual orientation, etc.. you are. People should be judged by the content of their character and experience.

What I`m opposed to is the use of lawsuits by those that claim `minority` status that are not actual minorities. Our legal system is clogged enough as it is.
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Male 17,511
Cajun: As NotTHATbored stated, That is likely due to the better drugs we treat AIDS patients with now.
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Female 1,101
LMFAO way to throw me under the bus Crakr! You want to discriminate against gays but I`m wrong for not liking people with AIDs.
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Male 10,855
Right CrakrJak but read my list you`re more likely to die from alcoholism and substance abuse than you are from all the STDs out there (combined from the looks of it).
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Female 1,101
I have had many gay friends and it makes me angry when some of them take their health so lightly. If people could just put a rubber on so many of the worlds problems would disapeer.
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Female 1,101
@Cajun Yes this is true I suppose... I don`t know it`s such a conflicting issue. I feel like I have the right not to hire someone with a contagious disease but I also feel that I should not have to pay for them contracting a disease from having unprotected sex or using needles illegally.
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Male 17,511
Cajun: I`m not with NotTHATbored, That people with AIDS be discriminated against. But they can be a danger to those around them in some circumstances, Like an accident or injury.
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Female 1,101
@Cajun that doesn`t surprise me considering that people HIV/AIDs have access to better medications and are living longer. Doesn`t make the disease any less scary. I`ve seen the Tv specials and what those meds do to you.
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Male 10,855
@NotThatBored

But I (plus CrakrJak, you [eventually], my parents, and every other citizen) have to pay for it with OUR tax money.
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Female 1,101
@Crakr there still should have been something that you could do. Especially if more than one person experienced the harrassment. It shouldn`t matter if you are an indipendant contractor or not... you should look into your state laws and anti-discrimination policies and agencies.
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Male 10,855
Say scroll on down this list and tell me what you find.
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Female 1,101
"I`m with you on the aids thing though.

And force them to live on welfare?
Hell no"

I`m sorry but they chose to have unprotected sex knowing full well that they were a high risk demographic. ANYONE with aids makes me nervous. I don`t want them around me and you can not gaurentee with 100% certainty that somehow we will not end up swaping bodily fluids by accident.
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Male 17,511
NotTHATbored: We couldn`t, We were all telemarketers under 1099s. We were considered `independent contractors` even though we worked like normal employees. It was a halfway shady operation and the owner let everyone smoke inside the building, If you couldn`t handle it then you were free to leave.

Yeah, It sucked. But sometimes you endure what you have to in order to pay the rent and feed your face. A lawsuit would`ve been futile in that instance.
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Male 10,855
[quote]I`m with you on the aids thing though.[/quote]

And force them to live on welfare?
Hell no!
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Male 586
this is soo inspiring!
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Male 10,855
Spit is spit, and no self-respecting homosexual is going to spit (and I mean the violent) on another person.
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Female 1,101
I`m with you on the aids thing though. I think you should be able to not hire someone with a contagious disease. I know that`s probably wrong but it`s self protection and I have the right.
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Female 1,101
@Crakrjack that is terrible and disgusting. You should have made a complaint with a government agency or sued. There are laws to protect you too. However just because one gay person sexually harrassed you doesn`t mean that every gay person would behave like that. You can`t say that because one gay person was bad that all gay people should be punished. That would be like me running a company and saying that I wasn`t going to hire any men because someone I know was raped or sexually harrassed by one!
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Male 17,511
Cajun: Actually Yes, AIDS can be present in any bodily fluid including sputum (spit).
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Male 1,505
"belunan: God is not responsible for sin, Man brought sin into this world and the wages of sin are pain, grief, and death."

/sigh

Why`d you put my name in front of your response if you`re not going to address my original post? It`s just another mindless Bible quote. Blah blah blah scripture says blah blah bullpoo.
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Male 17,511
NotTHATbored: It`s bad enough for people to have to deal with sexual harassment from straight people in their work environment, But I, As well as my colleges, had been sexually harassed at work by a gay man. There was nothing we could do about it either, He was the lover of the company`s owner.

So don`t preach to me about harassment or discrimination.
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Female 1,101
*continued* handicaps.

Also you keep saying that it is a choice and I do agree that in some cases it is, but how do you know that it is always a choice? Some people are just drawn to the same sex that is how they are born. I myself could swing either way and if I chose to be with a woman instead of my fiance then I would choose be a lesbian I guess? So what? That`s my choice and it has to do with my private life not my public one. I`ve known men like this too. They could go either way, but some guys just don`t like women. Period. I hate how people act like it is always a choice or never a choice. For some people it is and for some it isn`t.
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Male 10,855
[quote]around him[/quote]

Around him? Seriously. You can`t spread it like the flu.
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Male 10,855
Alright then I`ll look up
longevity of drug users vs. longevity of homosexuals.

I`ll tell what I find.
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Male 17,511
Cajun: And a homosexual with AIDS is not a threat to those he loves and are around him ? People who are Nurses, Doctors, Police, etc.. Have been exposed to AIDS through direct contact with patients bodily fluids, With no sex involved. That`s not dangerous ?
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Female 1,101
"If you choose to get a `Jersey` style spray on tan, And someone called you names over it, You can`t then claim you are `minority` and file suit for discrimination."

First off I don`t think that it`s actually possible for anyone to sue someone for calling them a name. Unless you can somehow prove that it defamed your character, caused you damages, and that what was said was false. Maybe harassment if you followed them around all day calling them a name?

Second off, are you proposing that people should be allowed to not hire someone because they are gay? That is ridiculous. If someone has peircings all over their face, then they bring that to work, and it`s understandable that an employer wouldn`t want to hire them. Your sexuality has nothing to do with work, it has to do with your private life. Not your employers business.

Thirdly you don`t have to be born a minority (or even a minority at all) to file for discrimination look at fat people or han
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Male 10,855
At least no more of threat to himself than your average White Collar straight man.
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Male 17,511
Cajun: You just contradicted yourself there, You mentioned several of the sexually transmitted diseases that have a much higher incidence in the gay population, Then stated "Loving another person is not a danger...".

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Male 10,855
Again CrakrJak an Alcoholic/Drug Addict is an actual threat to himself and others around him.

Your average White Collar gay man is not.
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Male 2,402
@Oldc*ck
No the assertion why not everybody be happy is stupid. Why not the fake doc just recently posted having fun? Why not the f*ck head who pushed the woman into the shallow end of the pool story just a day ago be happy!? Why not the Nazi`s with equality just posted? Freak you are retarded with your answer. Your just bent out of shape because you think I don`t think LGBT`s can`t be happy. You are so wrong on that end. It`s your argument of "let everyone can be happy" is lame ass. What freaking Willie Wonka fantasy world you live in? There is always opposition to every freaking thing.
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Male 17,511
Cajun: [quote]Right, but exceptions don`t change facts.[/quote]

And the facts are, There are many many people that have changed back from being homosexual. I know that`s an inconvenient truth for homosexuals, But it`s still the truth.

No one is rounding up homosexuals and forcing them into therapy here, As I said before, People have to want to change or the effort will likely be futile. That goes for all mental therapy treatment.
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Male 10,855
Loving another person is not a danger and it is incorrect to compare to it to substances which CAN and DO kill you.
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Female 2,549
one Melissa responded
to a big dildo with slapping balls??
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Male 10,855
Here`s another fact:

Alcohol and IV drug use can kill you faster than AIDS, Gonorrhea, Syphillis, etc etc.

All of which can be transmitted by any form of unprotected penetrative sex.
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Male 17,511
Cajun: There are dangers involved in any mental therapy, It`s hard for anyone to face such serious problems. Should I start quoting the suicide rates of alcoholics and drug abusers to make my point of similarity here ?
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Male 10,855
[quote]They actually mention a possibility[/quote]
Right, but exceptions don`t change facts.

The fact that there are men who feel attracted to other men and the same for women.

The fact that some men find nigh impossible to have loving relationship with another woman.

The fact that some women go on to develop to relationships with another woman even after being married to another man.
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Male 17,511
Cajun: No one can be forced to change, They have to want to change or the whole effort is likely in vain no matter what the mental problem is.

I`ve drug abusers and alcoholics be very stubborn and insist they don`t have problem, They also insist that everyone else around them is the problem. They make the same claim to be `happy` as well.
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Male 10,855
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Male 17,511
Cajun: That study still doesn`t clarify nature vs. nurture. It being a statistic of probability doesn`t preclude that mothers `baby` their youngest boys more than their older siblings.

IF you had read the study, They actually mention that possibility.
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Male 10,855
[quote]We need to let EVERYBODY live the life that makes them happy, even her. [/quote]

And if being gay makes them happy let `em.

You can change alcoholics and illicit drug users, but you can`t change gays.
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Male 10,855
[quote">born that way[/quote">

I SO beg to differ.
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Male 15,832
handjob, that is without question the dumbest post I`ve seen on this board since I`ve been here. Count yourself lucky they don`t ban f***tards for pure stupidity.
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Male 17,511
Cajun: Drug abusers and alcoholics aren`t likely to change right away either. 90% of people that start a diet don`t loose the weight, 90% of the ones that do loose the weight gain it back. Do we just give up on helping people because of the failure rate ?
That`s really cynical and sad if we do.
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Male 10,855
Here`s another good link.
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Male 2,402
@OldOllie
To each his own as to what makes them happy huh? Then it`s okay for me to go on a murder spree of all the internet trolls to make my life happy! Not that I would but some fruit loop pedophile on a child hunt would be a lifestyle that makes them happy! How about a crackhead who robs; perhaps kills for cash to get high and happy. Yeah Osama Bin Laden gets happy when he crashes a jet into infidels.

Lame ass argument.
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Male 10,855
[quote] Although there is insufficient evidence to support the use of psychological interventions to change sexual orientation, some individuals modified their sexual orientation identity (i.e., group membership and affiliation), behavior, and values (Nicolosi, Byrd, & Potts, 2000). They did so in a variety of ways and with varied and unpredictable outcomes, some of which were temporary (Beckstead & Morrow, 2004; Shidlo & Schroeder, 2002). Based on the available data, additional claims about the meaning of those outcomes are scientifically unsupported.[/quote]
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Male 10,855
Fun quote from the APA

[quote]Recent studies of participants in Sexual Orientation Change Efforts (SOCE) identify a population of individuals who experience serious distress related to same sex sexual attractions. Most of these participants are Caucasian males who report that their religion is extremely important to them...
Scientifically rigorous older work in this area (e.g., Birk, Huddleston, Miller, & Cohler, 1971; James, 1978; McConaghy, 1969, 1976; McConaghy, Proctor, & Barr, 1972; Tanner, 1974, 1975) found that s exual orientation (i.e., erotic attractions and sexual arousal oriented to one sex or the other, or both) was unlikely to change due to efforts designed for this purpose.[/quote]
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Male 17,511
Cajun: What `en masse` failure ? Do you mean like the failures that happen at similar places like drug and alcohol rehabs ? Do we just give up on drug abusers and alcoholics and say, Well they must have be born that way ? No, You keep reaching out and try to help them. Some, Of course, Won`t initially be ready to handle their problems, That`s a fact of any mental therapy.
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Male 17,511
NotTHATbored: being gay is a choice, Since it is choice it can`t be claimed legally as a `minority`.

If you choose to get a `Jersey` style spray on tan, And someone called you names over it, You can`t then claim you are `minority` and file suit for discrimination.

That is what the essence of `choice` boils down to. If you go into a job interview with tattoos on your face and piercings all over, And you didn`t get hired, You can`t sue that company because they didn`t choose to hire you.

In those cases, You also can`t claim `minority` status in applying for college loans or other government programs.
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Male 10,855
Okay then CrakrJak, if being gay is a lifestyle choice, please explain to me the en masse failure of people subjected to gay conversions.
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Male 179
ugh
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Male 206
CrakrJak: OMG! Thanks so much for replying to my post!!! I can`t believe you would take time out of you`re busy schedule of posting completely subjective opinions to address me! Can`t wait to hear more from you soon!
Sincerely,
Your biggest fan! :-D
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Male 17,511
Volsunga: Scientists have had no qualms in the past about inventing `scientific evidence` to fit their hypothesis. To simplify a choice, Good or bad, Down to just a `chemical reaction` then you can`t fault a person for making bad choices can you ?

Judge: According to scientists, Mr. drunk driver your chemical reactions were all messed up because of the alcohol, Therefore you aren`t responsible for getting into your car and causing the accident that killed Mr. Sober driver.

Sorry, But that`s bullsh|t, And that`s exactly where your `science` leads too.
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Male 15,832
If she wasn`t happy as a lesbian, and now she`s happy being straight, good for her.

If your happy being gay, good for you.

We need to let EVERYBODY live the life that makes them happy, even her.
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Male 12,365
[quote]Cause people are hermaphordites and cannot help this u know.[/quote]

Can you explain what you mean by that? Hermaphroditism is rather rare in humans unless you stretch the definition far beyond anything reasonable.

[quote]Bible says that homosexuality is an ambomination to the nation.[/quote]

A very inaccurate English version might, but it would be wrong. That is not what Jews wrote in the bronze age.

Besides, why does it make sense for a Christian to ignore nearly all of the 613 rules in the old testament and cling so strongly to just that one? Especially as the English translations are usually very inaccurate anyway.
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Male 48
Saying that being gay is a choice implies that sexual attraction can be changed at anytime, and gay people can be straight anytime, and likewise, straight people can be gay anytime.

Sexual orientation is NOT a choice, it`s a preference of one gender over the other that one cannot change. You can`t change what you`re attracted too; for example, straight women don`t wake up and say "Hmm.. I could like boobs today, but I`ll like muscles and facial hair instead."

Tell me why anyone would CHOOSE to be outcasted and ostracized from society.
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Female 1,101
#Crackrjack you never answered my question. Why does it matter if a person is born gay or choses to be gay? It still isn`t hurting you or anyone else. It`s still their choice not yours.

Are you just against it because the bible says it is a sin? The bible says a lot of things, it contradicts itself, and I have news for you it was written (AND EDITED) by men not by god. Which is why we have the texts that are in the bible today and not others that were popular during their time because people picked and chose the texts that they wanted to be in there.
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Female 1,006
Further proof that all lesbians need is a good hard dicking.
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Female 1,427
2:07 : "Jesus, would you come in me?"

Apparently Jesus juice cures all!
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Male 313
There is hope for Aunt Wosie? Really?
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Male 12,138
[quote]Face it, The only reason you hate people like her is because it shows that sexuality is a lifestyle choice, No one is born gay.[/quote]
Ah, good old Crakrjak, you never let us down. Pray the gay away!
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Female 233
nat112
Male, 13-17, Midwest US
7 Posts Thursday, November 18, 2010 6:53:23 PM
Oh, yeah. Because the bible totally teaches that woman aren`t second best.


Was gonna say the same thing...
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Female 233
Wack-job o.O
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Male 111
well too bad, lesbianism is a myth.
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Male 205
@flingspoo:
someone earlier raised the point of people who have "relationships" with people of the same sex out of hatred for the opposite sex..
Personally? I think that, most of the time, whether one is gay or straight or anything else is an at-birth thing. As far as attraction.. what you act on is another story, but going against one`s natural predilection is akin to holding one`s breath.
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Male 5,626
"...And so, rather than learning she was a whiny
bitch that blamed others for her own past, she is
now unable to enjoy sex with anyone.

She also hardly ever checks out women`s asses..."
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Male 946
CrakrJak: Arguing with such venom isn`t going to hammer the point home. It just makes others think you`re aguing for the sake of arguing without even considering opposing views. As for homosexuality being a choice instead of being born that way...One - who cares? Two - Do you recall when you chose to be straight? Kinda cuts to the heart of it don`t you think?
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Female 999
I wonder if for some people sexuality is a choice and for some it`s not? Are there straight people wishing they were gay as much as gays wishing they were straight, I wonder?
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Female 999
How does one determine "morality"?
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Male 1,547
@crackrJak
I`ll ignore the fallacies and address the implicit claim of "Decisions cannot be caused by brain chemistry".

Read `em and weep:
study on brain activity of the action of charity
The "101" lesson
"Game Theory" experiment
effects of memory processing on decision making
Male 1,547
@scarytropin
actually, you DO need something akin to a "soul" if you want to have a concept of agency. If you want agency, then you have to invent something that`s somehow exempt from the laws that govern causality in the universe, otherwise it reduces to determinism anyway.
I was making an epistemological point, so your claim of the meaning of morality is not relevant to what I was saying. However, I guess it does need some clarification. Scientific determinism does not preclude "free will", it merely explains the mechanisms behind it. It`s really only a difference of looking at it from the bottom up versus from the top down. It`s much easier to assume free will and choice when making ethical judgments because trying to calculate all determining factors is impossible by Heisenburg`s principle.
What I was trying to say is that it is wrong to say "It`s ok because it`s not a choice". That`s mixing disciplines and illogical.
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Male 17
Oh, yeah. Because the bible totally teaches that woman aren`t second best.
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Male 1,547
@crackrjak
Don`t post on the internet if you`re going to get butthurt by people criticizing your arguments. Fallacies are in no way related to opinion. If someone is calling you out on your fallacy, they are making a claim of fact. They may be incorrect, but it is still a factual claim, not an opinion.
If someone is openly criticizing and "ridiculing" your beliefs, that means that they are perfectly open to you doing the same to them. You don`t need to give them a warning.

If you can`t defend your beliefs, then why do you hold them?
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Male 208
I think I`m more annoyed by people who say "Stop attacking my beliefs" than people who attack others` beliefs. Arguing against something you don`t think is true is basically human nature. If you don`t want to be offended by people`s disapproval of your beliefs then just ignore it. Otherwise fight back like a man! Or woman! Or otherwise!
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Female 61
Seriously people you are born gay. I was born gay god as a kid i was so confused about my sexuality i thought i was suposed to be a dude because i knew i liked girls but i didn`t know you could be a lesbian. Now i am out the closet and i am happy for the first time in my life. i don`t care if some christian says its a sin or what ever i am happy and that is all that matters.
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Male 17,511
Volsunga: Your `scientific determinism` is just a verbose way of saying that you don`t believe that sin exists and that anyone`s behavior can be chalked up to just `chemical reactions` in their brains. Thus no behavior is moral or amoral, There is no right or wrong. So, In the attempt to prevent total anarchy, Secular Humanism was invented to replace religious morality.

That is just the atheist bullsh|t way of trying to rid the world of religion without causing anarchy.
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Male 67
Philosophaster - I mean Volsunga - what a ridiculous piece of argument. So, Mr. "Scientific Determinist" how is it possible to have morality if there is no agency? A fundamental assumption of any system of morality is that people can choose to make the most moral choice. BTW, it is utter nonsense to say that one must believe in a soul in order to believe in agency.
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Male 621
Yikes o_O
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Male 17,511
Pooptart: I don`t care what you believe, That`s on you. Just don`t ridicule my beliefs and foist your `logical fallacies` bullsh|t on me. That`s just your opinion. Unless you want me ridiculing your beliefs, Step off now.
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Male 1,547
There`s a fundamental problem in the whole "Is it a choice" issue. It`s called determinism. Everything you "choose" is a result of your specific brain chemistry which is derived from a combination of it`s initial state (birth) and the interactions it has had over the course of your lifetime (your experiences).
From the perspective of the ignorant Christian, who sees choices as originating in some sort of agency (a soul), they can fool themselves into making a moral judgment on those choices based on a flawed, archaic moral absolute.
The scientific determinist understands that by saying it`s "not a choice", they must also concede that murder and rape are not choices either. It being a choice or not has no bearing on its morality. Morality is a measure of whether an action helps or harms the society. Homosexuality has no victims and is therefore not immoral. Rape and murder are punished so as to remove the offending members from the populace, circumv
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Female 152
*reads comments* oh wow, people actually think that you aren`t born gay? wooow... they`re saying that we`re in denial that it`s not a choice? Me thinks they`re in denial and they be a bit butt hurt XD
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Female 152
...BWAHAHAHHA
damn, too bad her bible crap undid what seemed like a perfectly good relationship. She may be delusional now, but at least she thinks shes happy ;)
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Male 17,511
Heureux: I never mentioned "millions of people", So quit putting words in my mouth. Secondly, How the hell would my beliefs on this subject, "make me feel better about myself" ?

[quote]There is no one who has demonstrably changed from homosexual to heterosexual.[/quote]

As much as you would like that to be true, It`s false. People like you are the very reason why most people that have changed back to being hetero keep their change private. You are as bad as the WBC idiots, That protest gays at military funerals, Only in reverse.

You can`t handle the fact that it`s a choice. One of many people make in their lives.
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Female 106
I agree with Delos completely. Was about to write the exact same thing, but you said it much better than I could.
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Male 1,931
I`m happy that she is happy. But the thing is, she had a bad childhood and a traumatic experience. But what caused her messed up 20`s wasn`t the absence of faith, but of structure. She was unruly and angry. The nice thing about Christianity is, that it is a loving, yet stern, organization. That structure helped her be more mature in her life.

As for sexual preference, I am a bit upset that she feels it is a sin and something to be frowned upon. But as long as she keeps her feelings between her and her friends, then that`s her choice.
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Male 2,440
[quote]Face it, The only reason you hate people like her is because it shows that sexuality is a lifestyle choice, No one is born gay.[/quote]
F-A-C-E-P-A-L-M

[quote]elunan: God is not responsible for sin, Man brought sin into this world and the wages of sin are pain, grief, and death.

Blaming anyone and everyone else, Including God, For sin is not a recent fad. People have been misplacing the blame for their sins onto God since Cain and Abel. Only now we`ve turned it into a game, The `blame game`.[/quote]
Once again, Crakr, you show that you know f*ck all about the countless logical fallacies concerning your God, the silly idea of "sin", & free will. I`ve tried, in the past, to explain just how wrong you are, but it does no good. You`ll just make some f*cktarded comment about me being "angry with God" or some sort of bullsh*t like "You made the choice to turn from God." Blah blah blah.
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Male 205
This woman suffered a great trauma and, after much hardship, is happy. I`m happy for her. I`m also a little pissed at her for claiming she was a lesbian when she wasn`t. She was scared off of men, found a sexual outlet and now she thinks everyone else who is gay is just suffering from the same delusion she was.

She needs to realize that she wasn`t really gay to begin with, and that, while there may be other cases of similarly deluded people, the vast majority of gay people do NOT need the same help she did.
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Male 1,054
"Bible says that homosexuality is an ambomination to the nation. "

No, it does not. Hatefilled people intepret a handful of verses in that way, but it only reflects their heart, not God`s.

As for this woman, many people have claimed to change from homosexual to heterosexual, only to be later caught lying about it. Even Exodus International, the leading ex-gay ministries, admits that people do not change their sexual orienation, they change what they allow themselves to do.

CrakrJak is just lying about millions of people because that makes him feel better about his own life.

There is no one who has demonstrably changed from homosexual to heterosexual. There are millions who have tried without success, and people who claim to have changed, make money off their story, and eventually get caught seeking sex with someone of their own gender.
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Male 10,440
I made it about 2 minutes in. The video wasn`t funny in the slightest. They might make some big joke in the end but it was probably not worth the wait.
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Female 85
I think that she became a lesbian and wasnt born that way. Cause people are hermaphordites and cannot help this u know. I think god did heel her from many things. Bible says that homosexuality is an ambomination to the nation. Now idk about religion but i do believe in god. Im glad shes happy now. :) Now she shouldnt turn on god cause she suffered a long time.
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Female 3,598
i bet she still likes the way pu$$y tastes...
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Female 803
She still looks like a dyke to me. Not that I have a problem with dykes, but I do however, have a problem with people that pretend to be something they`re not.
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Male 17,511
joosen52: There have been many more people than `just one`, You just don`t hear about them. Most decide to keep their former homosexuality a private matter, Because of the ridicule and abuse hurled at them from the LGBT community.
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Male 99
First off, let`s remember tolerance is permitting others to live AND believe differently from yourself. Even if you "know" they are wrong.

Scientifically, I think studies up to this point are inconclusive on the "gay gene". Perhaps a slight correlation? But I don`t believe there`s any basis for saying "no one is born gay" (scientifically or biblically).

There are obviously some people who would rather die than try to not be gay. This woman is obviously not one of them. If you think it`s a good thing to stop pretending you`re straight and live a homosexual lifestyle, then consider it a good thing that this women who was confused about her sexuality has "come out" in her own way to be straight.

From re-listening to it, I don`t believe she was saying homosexuality was the cause of all her problems. More like finding a safe place and knowing it`s okay to be feminine and finding God helped her get through many things which i
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Male 476
She clearly had some issues.. But the questions I would like to ask her are.. Do you now find men Sexually attractive? and Do you still ever find women sexually attractive? All I got from this story was that God just gave her some very much needed self esteem.
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Male 206
Well, that settles it. If just ONE woman goes from being gay to being straight, then that means ALL lesbians aren`t gay!...right?
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Male 43
where is god in this video
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Male 559
The people who site this as evidence of conversion therapy have little understanding of human sexuality, self-identity, or most importantly, how these videos make young people feel like they are bad people for being born the way they are. The irony of this woman`s story is that she converted to the very group that made her hate her life to begin with. A little self-actualization would have taken this woman a long way to happiness.
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Female 836
I`m annoyed by the way they equate "lesbian" with "totally messed up"
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Male 4,807
Sexually violated by a man OUTSIDE of her family...Damn, I wonder what would have happened if it was in the family?
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Male 17,511
belunan: God is not responsible for sin, Man brought sin into this world and the wages of sin are pain, grief, and death.

Blaming anyone and everyone else, Including God, For sin is not a recent fad. People have been misplacing the blame for their sins onto God since Cain and Abel. Only now we`ve turned it into a game, The `blame game`.
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Female 31
Lol @yangling
You got that right.
`I felt as though i was weaker because i was a woman. So... i decided to seek help from a faith that tells woman to obey men and that they cant come into church when they are on their period because they are dirty... etc etc. YAY GOD!`
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Female 31
Wow.. and christians wonder why the rest of the world seems to have a flame war against them.. This poor woman. She should just be happy in herself. Thats the only real way of finding happiness. Not just burying it under a book with lock and key. Some people are just so blind. Also id like to point out that this girl had wayyy more going on than just being a lesbian like being abused, depressed and self harming herself but no real talk of how they helped her with that. They just `cured` her and presto! Happy christian lady..... I am not convinced.
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Male 172
And yet, most religions dont consider women good enough either
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Male 12,365
The "lifestyle choice" idea is such ludicrous babble that it`s boggling that anyone believes it.

At times, homosexuality has *carried a death sentence*. There were still some people who were homosexual. Why on earth would they have chosen that?

The argument is nonsense.

The only people who try to choose to be homosexual are a few really way-out sexist bigots who do so out of hatred for the other sex, not attraction to the same sex, or severely mentally damaged victims who do the same out of fear. It`s heterophobia, not homosexuality.

Lifestyle? A lifestyle? What the hell are these people talking about? Homosexuality is no more a single lifestyle than heterosexuality is.

`lifestyle` is nonsense. `choice` is nonsense. More than that, they are both obviously nonsensical. Put them together and it`s just more nonsensical.
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Male 1,505
God lets little kids die from leukemia and allows babies to have brain tumors because he`s too busy curing lesbians. Good to know.
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Male 40,772
vv @skypirate for the WIN! lolz!
@kw112 It actually was a"disease" but was de-listed a while back, eh?
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Female 243
The most idiotic thing to say in the "homosexuality is wrong/natural" debate is that no one is born gay. If we took a child and raised it in a controlled enviorment with no contact with the outside world and society do you think that if we suddenly shove that kid into the outside worl that he/she will be attracted to the opposite sex? Do you even think that he/she will understand what gender is and why its so important in this new world?

There are homosexual animals. You think that they "want attention"? Obviously this lady has had some traumatizing experiences which could have caused her to turn to homosexuality, but are you really suggesting that EVERY SINGLE gay person out there has been psycologically damaged in some way for them to be gay?
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Male 7,378
No more Tuna for you!
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Female 243
dont you just love how they treat homosexuality as if its a disease that needs to be cured?
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she is obviously happier now. who cares how she got their.
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Male 17,511
duffytoler: Some depressed people cut themselves, I don`t understand it either, But I`ve heard `cutters` claim that the pain of cutting distracts them from the emotional pain they feel. It can be very serious if they cut to deep or get infections.
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Male 633
Blah, blah, God and more blah.
Oh well. Enjoy your ignorance girl.
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Female 1,101
@Crackrjack

"Face it, The only reason you hate people like her is because it shows that sexuality is a lifestyle choice, No one is born gay."

Some people are born gay and some people decide to be gay. It`s not all one way or the other. What does it matter which one they are? It`s none of anyones business!
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Female 1,101
Meh. Just because she`s happier brainwashed into believing the homosexuality is wrong doesn`t mean that everyone else would be. Good for her.
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Male 150
And came out gayer than Richard Simmons holding a rainbow flag and insert 5 more gay references cause I`m tired of typing.

In the end all we know about her is what a 3 min. video told us. Not the best source mind you.

Now if you`re going to reply, you`ll have to give me some time cause I have a project I need to keep working on. Have a nice day
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Male 5,194
"...I was an emotional cutter..."

WTF does that even MEAN?
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Male 759
MAGNETS? How the FU*K do they work?
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Male 880
Still seems like a dyke to me.
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Male 150
Well Crakrjak I don`t agree with your last line. Because, like everything in biology (reproduction, hormones, etc. all involved in this) there is no one definitive answer or source, but a combination.

Genetically I can`t tell you I don`t know her family history nor did I see her fingers. (digit ratio theory, look it up) We do know that genes are very complex and very little behavior is controlled by a single gene, but mostly controlled by the sum of many different genes.

Psychosexual development (Freud) assuming the assault occurred in the latency phase (6-puberty) you could a problem in sexual development due to a traumatic incident.

Now the jist of my argument is Nature vs. Nuture viewed from the scope of Ecology. I say the scope of Ecology because to truly understand something you must look at possible factors contributing. Sometimes there is a traumatic reason for it, and sometimes they grow up in homes nicer than yours or mine.
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Female 1,008
Booooooooring!
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Male 103
She`s lying to herself.
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Male 150
Ok so the list she says:
Abusing alcohol daily
Doing drugs (can only fathom what) on the weekend
Sexually assaulted at a young age.
Emotional cutter
Overweight
And in her own words, "Life was becoming more and more unmanageable"
Not healthy
Violent outbreaks of were she screams and breaks things.

My two cents on all of this is that we have a lot more problems going on here, than anything brought on by homosexuality.
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Male 17,511
Slmmhmmr161: Yeah, Because you believe there is no sin right ? She decided to change her life for the better and you ridicule her for it, Isn`t that what you liberals claim that Christians do ? Way to be `open minded` there.

Face it, The only reason you hate people like her is because it shows that sexuality is a lifestyle choice, No one is born gay.
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Male 235
More gay people should try that
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Male 606
Title Fix:
Unnecessary feelings of guilt and shame force a lesbian woman back into the closet.
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Male 684
MAGNETS!
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Female 2,695
how the hell did this get posted?
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Male 39,955
geez! One bad f*ck and she`s all dramatic about it.
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Male 422
Link: God Changes Lesbian To A Straight Gal [Rate Link] - There ya go, all better.
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