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Date: 11/20/10 12:45 PM

148 Responses to Cute Spanish Girl Has An Orgasm Whilst Voting

  1. Profile photo of iinga
    iinga Male 18-29
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    November 20, 2010 at 12:09 pm
    Link: Cute Spanish Girl Has An Orgasm Whilst Voting - Crazy Spanish girl gets far too much pleasure from voting in the election.
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    SomeShoes Male 13-17
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    November 20, 2010 at 12:57 pm
    hot, they should use this in the us
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    TSMurphy Male 13-17
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    November 20, 2010 at 1:00 pm
    Let me be the first to say AWESOME. Oh, and yeah. I`ll vote for who she`s voting for.
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    GRadde Male 18-29
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    November 20, 2010 at 1:05 pm
    I like it. ^^
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    phoneybone Male 18-29
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    November 20, 2010 at 1:06 pm

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    psychosax Male 18-29
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    November 20, 2010 at 1:38 pm
    OMG this is a pro-socialist ad. AAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAHHHHHHHHHHHHH everyone get your torches and pitchforks!

    /s
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    Zebrameat Male 13-17
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    November 20, 2010 at 1:46 pm
    Did anyone already do the election-erection pun? No? Then I call shotgun on that one...
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    Fatninja01 Male 30-39
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    November 20, 2010 at 1:57 pm
    meh.....
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    CrakrJak Male 40-49
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    November 20, 2010 at 2:00 pm
    Isn`t it usually liberals that accuse capitalists of using sex to sell their products ? This commercial is made by a Spanish socialist party, Way to be hypocritical there.
  10. Profile photo of Zebrameat
    Zebrameat Male 13-17
    107 posts
    November 20, 2010 at 2:17 pm
    @crakrjak Not in europe. Also, way to mix up the terms. Liberals are not socialist or anti-capitalists. As far as I can read from wiki, the socialist party in spain is actually a social-democratic (=liberal, in the confusing american terminology) and hence pro (controlled) capitalism.
    Third, the spanish liberal left has nothing to do with the american liberal left, nor with its accusations. Noone is hypcritical here.
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    xhaseox Male 18-29
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    November 20, 2010 at 2:57 pm
    she is not cute.
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    blckhawk1234 Male 18-29
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    November 20, 2010 at 3:09 pm
    @CrakrJack

    What the drat are you talking about? As a socialist I have never accused that nor heard. ALSO, European politics and standards are different than America. herp derp much?
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    greenngreen Male 30-39
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    November 20, 2010 at 3:33 pm
    Catalonia elections, people in catalonia hate the spanish(castillians), they want to be their own country just like the basques and galicians. In spain everyone hates the spanish due to the civil war and franco.
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    greenngreen Male 30-39
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    November 20, 2010 at 3:37 pm
    also this year people werent even gonna vote in the elections in catalonia because of the big soccer match of real madrid and barcelona but they moved the game to a monday. That match is the biggest club game in the world in any sport.
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    Kenosos Male 18-29
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    November 20, 2010 at 3:41 pm
    @xhaseox Are you of the homosexual variety?
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    Trojan Male 18-29
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    November 20, 2010 at 4:16 pm
    What the French Toast?
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    tridirk Male 50-59
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    November 20, 2010 at 4:16 pm
    was Obama on the ballot? I think that was 2008 and from Los Angeles.
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    mcfudge Male 18-29
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    November 20, 2010 at 4:21 pm
    That was pretty hot...
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    slab-of-rage Male 18-29
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    November 20, 2010 at 4:29 pm
    dammit, I got to the polling station too late because I was so busy fapping to this advert...
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    Spider_sol Male 18-29
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    November 20, 2010 at 4:33 pm
    Come to the US. The government will really screw you here.
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    tommy2X4 Male 50-59
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    November 20, 2010 at 4:42 pm
    As fake as my Ex-wife.
  22. Profile photo of OldOllie
    OldOllie Male 60-69
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    November 20, 2010 at 4:47 pm
    Zebrameat, "controlled capitalism" is an oxymoron. If it`s controlled, it isn`t capitalism, it`s socialism.

    Capitalism = free
    Socialism = controlled

    Why is that so hard for you lefties to understand?
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    ElMustache Male 18-29
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    November 20, 2010 at 4:50 pm
    AY!!! La Passion tiene peso. Que no?
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    i-am-ninja Male 18-29
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    November 20, 2010 at 4:52 pm
    socialism = controlled but that doesnt mean controlled = socialism all the time c`mon OldOllie get synonyms right jeeze
  25. Profile photo of Zebrameat
    Zebrameat Male 13-17
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    November 20, 2010 at 4:58 pm
    @OldOllie: If you define the word that way, do it. But then there has never been a capitalist state. There have allways been regulations (e.g. on import and export, wages, products).
    If you control the market on some levels (e.g taxes, minimum wages etc.) it doesnßt make it socialism. I, and a bunch of other people, call it contorlled capitalism.
  26. Profile photo of OldOllie
    OldOllie Male 60-69
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    November 20, 2010 at 5:06 pm
    i-am-ninja, the issue is central government control. Every single time it has been tried, it has failed miserably. Over 100 million people have been slaughtered in the numerous attempts to make it work.

    It is constantly changing its name -- communism, Naziism, Marxism, Stalinism, Maoism, socialism, progressivism, liberalism -- but they all mean the same thing: centralized government control. When one of those names falls into disgrace from its own failure, the leftists just pick another name and start over doing the same thing.

    Of course, the only reason the previous attempt at centralized control failed was because those controllers were doing it all wrong. It`s never been tried with someone as smart as _____. (Just fill in the blank with the new leftist messiah. I believe this year that would be Obama.)

    Perhaps I should have written:

    Controlled = whatever name the arrogant left-wing bastards are calling themselves this year.
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    collegebound Male 18-29
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    November 20, 2010 at 5:09 pm
    thats actually kinda arousing...
  28. Profile photo of Zebrameat
    Zebrameat Male 13-17
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    November 20, 2010 at 5:17 pm
    @OldOllie You´re a class A generalizing moron. Wanting the government to control some parts of the conomy to a certain degree, DOES NOT mean that I want to build up a russian-like comerade (Id like to say communist, but you obviously dont know what that means) state. I for example want the government to pave my roads, to enable everyone to travel. I DO NOT want the goverment to make an 5-year plan about how to regulate the automobile sector. Those things arent binary, and it has been proven that none of these extremes will lead to a common benefit.
    "communism, Naziism, Marxism, Stalinism, Maoism, socialism, progressivism, liberalism" Naziism isnt even an economic model, neither is stalinism or maoism. Communism and socialism hardly differ in terms of economy. You clearly have no Idea what you are talking about, yet you spout insults at those "damn libs" as if you just got your master in economy from havard.
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    Chidori-san Female 18-29
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    November 20, 2010 at 5:23 pm
    I`m glad the I-A-Ber`s are arguing over politics and not addressing, er, undressing, the video at hand.
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    SPARTAKITTY Female 18-29
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    November 20, 2010 at 5:30 pm
    I read that as vomiting.
    I am thoroughly dissapointed.
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    Altaru Male 18-29
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    November 20, 2010 at 5:31 pm
    and not addressing, er, undressing, the video at hand.
    I`m doing both.

    With one hand each!
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    Red_Fear Male 18-29
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    November 20, 2010 at 5:49 pm
    OldOllie, you sir, are a moron. The Nazi`s, left? I think you need to look up Left wing in the dictionary. Yes they did call themselves the National Socialists, but because being socialist was popular in the 1920`s. I would barely call outsourcing large chunks of military and industrial to Big business, centralising government

    Further point, I absolutely love how Americans call Obama Leftist. Don`t get me wrong, I like him, but he is a long way from anywhere near left wing
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    atlacatl Male 18-29
    342 posts
    November 20, 2010 at 5:55 pm
    They misspelled placer.

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    Bunnylove Female 13-17
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    November 20, 2010 at 6:12 pm
    i too, read that as vomiting
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    kittkatkatie Female 18-29
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    November 20, 2010 at 6:35 pm
    oh, voting. i thought it said vomiting for some reason
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    DixxyRarr Female 18-29
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    November 20, 2010 at 6:39 pm
    Funny. I thought the orgasm was quite realistic sounding/looking... I`m glad they didn`t get all porno with the "AH EE OO AHH"s.
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    SomeShoes Male 13-17
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    November 20, 2010 at 6:47 pm
    lots of dyslectics today
  38. Profile photo of OldOllie
    OldOllie Male 60-69
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    November 20, 2010 at 6:47 pm
    Zebrameat, you can call it "zippity doodah," but that doesn`t make it so. Capitalism is like virginity; you either have it, or you don`t.

    All it takes is one prick.
  39. Profile photo of OldOllie
    OldOllie Male 60-69
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    November 20, 2010 at 6:59 pm
    Red_Fear, considering Europe`s track record over the past century, I wouldn`t trust your education system to teach you how to wipe your own @$$, let alone how to recognize that National Socialism was exactly what it said it was: socialism. You can nitpick about whether they owned or controlled business; it`s a distinction without a difference, and the results are the same -- always the same.

    The more power you give to government, the less power the people have to control their own lives. You want more government control; I want less. Your way has always ended in war, slavery, and death. My way, while it has never been fully implemented, to the extent that it has, it has brought unparalleled freedom and prosperity.
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    I-IS-BORED Male 18-29
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    November 20, 2010 at 7:20 pm
    @OldOllie
    You do understand that fascism is the extreme of conservative, right? Fascism is right wing authoritarianism, the Nazi`s were fascists.

    and this
    "My way, while it has never been fully implemented, to the extent that it has, it has brought unparalleled freedom and prosperity."
    is retarded, have you never heard of anarchy? Not only is anarchy left wing (it`s the extreme of left wing libertarianism), it has lead to lots of slavery, death, and war.
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    the_phantom Male 18-29
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    November 20, 2010 at 7:42 pm
    1:02 . this is all
  42. Profile photo of almightybob1
    almightybob1 Male 18-29
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    November 20, 2010 at 7:43 pm
    Your way has always ended in war, slavery, and death. My way, while it has never been fully implemented, to the extent that it has, it has brought unparalleled freedom and prosperity.

    Jesus Ollie. How many times must your bullsh*t be countered with facts, and you just ignore it?
    Like the UN surveys that consistently rate "socialist" European countries above others, including the US, in categories such as quality of life, GDP (yes, socialism and capitalism are not mutually exclusive! We still make money!), life expectancy, average level of education, etc etc etc.

    Wanna know where you ranked in the latest UN Inequality-adjusted Human Development Index, from 3 weeks ago? 12th, behind socialist European reprobates Norway, Sweden, the Netherlands, Germany, Switzerland, Ireland, Iceland, Denmark and Finland.
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    almightybob1 Male 18-29
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    November 20, 2010 at 7:58 pm
    You can nitpick about whether they owned or controlled business; it`s a distinction without a difference, and the results are the same -- always the same.

    Article 1, Section 8, Clause 3 of the US Constitution (the "Commerce Clause"): The Congress shall have Power To regulate Commerce with foreign Nations, and among the several States, and with the Indian tribes.

    By Ollie`s definition, the US is socialist too. Who knew.
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    OldOllie Male 60-69
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    November 20, 2010 at 8:01 pm
    @OldOllie
    You do understand that fascism is the extreme of conservative, right?
    No, I don`t understand that, because IT`S NOT F***ING TRUE!

    I`ve no doubt that that`S what you`ve been taught by your left-wing history and political science teachers, but it`s a lie.

    Let me try this one more time. It`s really simple, but for some reason, the leftist mind is utterly incapable of grasping it.

    Conservatism and capitalism advocate individual liberty with LESS government control. That means it is the opposite of socialism, fascism, communism, progressivism, and liberalism.

    Any system in which the government controls the economy -- regardless of whether that`s through ownership or regulation -- is a form of socialism no matter WHAT the hell you call it.

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    basherrr Male 18-29
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    November 20, 2010 at 8:02 pm
    "cute"
  46. Profile photo of OldOllie
    OldOllie Male 60-69
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    November 20, 2010 at 8:04 pm
    Also, "left wing libertarianism" is another oxymoron. The two concepts are polar opposites and TOTALLY incompatible.

    And today`s "anarchists" are just communists using social unrest to try to tear down society so they can replace it with yet another Marxist Utopia. Every time I see those worthless little f***ers out in the streets looting stores and burning cars I can`t help but think, "Where`s the napalm?"
  47. Profile photo of I-IS-BORED
    I-IS-BORED Male 18-29
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    November 20, 2010 at 8:19 pm
    "Fascism is a radical and authoritarian nationalist political ideology. Fascists seek to organize a nation according to corporatist perspectives, values, and systems, including the political system and the economy. Fascism was originally founded by Italian national syndicalists in World War I who combined extreme right-wing political views along with collectivism. Scholars generally consider fascism to be on the far right."

    I`m gonna go with the heavily referenced definition over your stupidity.

    Just so you stop saying `capitalism`, capitalism is not on any political spectrum, it is an economic ideology.
  48. Profile photo of OldOllie
    OldOllie Male 60-69
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    November 20, 2010 at 8:19 pm
    Like the UN surveys that consistently rate "socialist" European countries above others...
    Gee, a bunch of socialists giving out high grades to other socialists. Who`d ever guess THAT would happen? This is the same bunch of @$$holes that put China, Cuba, and Libya on their so-called "Human Rights Commission."

    The UN is also the same outfit who brought us Oil for Food, which turned out to be the biggest corruption scandal in the history of the world, making the UN the most corrupt organization in the history of the world.

    And you want to cite this den of despots, thieves, and barbarians as a credible authority? You`re even stupider than you think I am.
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    almightybob1 Male 18-29
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    November 20, 2010 at 8:26 pm
    Gee, a bunch of socialists giving out high grades to other socialists. Who`d ever guess THAT would happen?

    Might have guessed you`d go this route, rather than anything remotely to do with their methodology in evaluating the things I mentioned. I suspect you didn`t even check what I wrote, or anything relating to evaluating quality of life at all, but instead went straight for "discredit the source", not even looking to see if it might contain a grain of truth. Fairly standard for you really.

    You do know that the US was one of the founding members of the UN right? Although since by your definition the US is socialist too, I suppose your statement above is correct.
  50. Profile photo of OldOllie
    OldOllie Male 60-69
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    November 20, 2010 at 8:27 pm
    combined extreme right-wing political views along with collectivism. Scholars generally consider fascism to be on the far right.
    Combining xtreme right-wing political views along with collectivism is like combining Christianity with Satanism. The statement simply makes no sense.

    And I don`t doubt that "scholars generally consider fascism to be on the far right." I`m just saying that they`re all completely full of $#!+.

    If you look at the political spectrum with centralized government control on the left and individual liberty on the right, you have to put fascism and socialism together on the left and conservatism and libertarianism on the right. Anarchy would be on the extreme right, but since it does not provide a structure for the protection of individual liberties, it quickly degenerates into a leftist totalitarian cesspool, which is exactly what today`s anarchists want.
  51. Profile photo of almightybob1
    almightybob1 Male 18-29
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    November 20, 2010 at 8:33 pm
    And I don`t doubt that "scholars generally consider fascism to be on the far right." I`m just saying that they`re all completely full of $#!+.

    And this is exactly the problem - an inability to understand or accept that we have experts for a reason, and that those experts know more about their field than you do.
    It also explains your general antipathy towards science, an area that thrives on elitism and specialist knowledge.

    Everyone has the right to voice their opinion. But not everyone`s opinion is of equal merit.
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    I-IS-BORED Male 18-29
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    November 20, 2010 at 8:34 pm
    @OldOllie
    We get it, you`re a fat balding american who is full of hate and can`t possibly accept that he has made up definitions for these words that force him to believe they must mean things that they don`t. It`s not hard to understand why you`re so full of hate, you think left is polar opposite of libertarian, but left is also opposite of right, but libertarian is progressive and right is conservative, so in your head conservative and progressive are one and then it all collapses and you can`t figure out why. It`s like you read the 1=2 proof and didn`t notice the /0 line so now all math must be meaningless since that proof was founded on principles that are based in 1=/=2 but says that 1=2.
  53. Profile photo of OldOllie
    OldOllie Male 60-69
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    November 20, 2010 at 8:39 pm
    Might have guessed you`d go this route, rather than anything remotely to do with their methodology in evaluating the things I mentioned.
    I couldn`t begin to guess what contorted methodology produced this perverted result, but of you want to judge by level of individual liberty and standard of living, the USA pisses on the rest of the world. A person living at the poverty line in the US has a larger house than the AVERAGE person in continental Europe.

    But if you REALLY want a definitive standard by which to judge a country, try this one:

    The United States takes in more immigrants than all the other countries in the world COMBINED! The world is voting with their feet. Their leaving the socialist $#!+holes of the world to come here. Plus, we have nearly 20 million people who would rather come her illegally to live in the shadows as criminals than to enjoy the full blessings of citizenship in their own countries.

    Explain that.
  54. Profile photo of OldOllie
    OldOllie Male 60-69
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    November 20, 2010 at 8:40 pm
    I-IS-BORED, your last post would give George Orwell a migraine. You`re hopeless.
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    I-IS-BORED Male 18-29
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    November 20, 2010 at 8:42 pm
    "Plus, we have nearly 20 million people who would rather come her illegally to live in the shadows as criminals than to enjoy the full blessings of citizenship in their own countries."
    Living as a wolf among sheep is much more profitable than a wolf among wolves.
  56. Profile photo of OldOllie
    OldOllie Male 60-69
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    November 20, 2010 at 8:54 pm
    And this is exactly the problem - an inability to understand or accept that we have experts for a reason...
    Oh, I understand perfectly why we have experts: to serve the ends of the experts. I do not, however, blindly accept their bull$#!+ as gospel the way you do. These idiots try to pass their crackpot opinions off as science -- as in "political science" or "social science" -- when it is nothing of the sort. If they were, however, to apply the scientific method to their mental meanderings, they would notice distinct repeating patterns such as: centralized government control doesn`t work; and capitalism produces greater prosperity in proportion to the degree it is allowed to function.

    Science produces data that can be used to predict outcomes. Social science also produces data, but left-wing social scientists always refuse to accept the results. They always say you ran the socialism experiment wrong, and next time they`ll get it right.
  57. Profile photo of OldOllie
    OldOllie Male 60-69
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    November 20, 2010 at 8:58 pm
    Living as a wolf among sheep is much more profitable than a wolf among wolves.
    I would hardly describe migrant farm workers, hotel maids, dishwashers, gardeners, and third-shift turkey eviscerators as "wolves."
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    I-IS-BORED Male 18-29
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    November 20, 2010 at 9:09 pm
    I would hardly call hard working people who contribute to society "people living in the shadows as criminals". I didn`t think you were low enough to but to each his own.
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    redspade Male 13-17
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    November 20, 2010 at 9:26 pm
    more like voting in the ERECTION! am i right?
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    psychosax Male 18-29
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    November 20, 2010 at 9:37 pm
    I was wondering how long it would take OldOllie to come and ruin this otherwise intelligent conversation. 4 hours, 37 minutes, 16 seconds
  61. Profile photo of OldOllie
    OldOllie Male 60-69
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    November 20, 2010 at 9:38 pm
    I would hardly call hard working people who contribute to society "people living in the shadows as criminals". I didn`t think you were low enough to but to each his own.
    It`s not a matter of my lowness or highness; it`s just the way it is for them. They have violated the law to enter the country illegally, which makes them criminals, and they live in constant fear of being discovered and deported. I`m not making a judgment, just stating facts, pure and simple.

    But you`re wrong about them contributing to society. Most of them are working low-paying jobs and don`t pay any income tax; they`re getting food stamps and medicaid; plus their kids are filling up the schools and they all need special services. What they pay in sales tax doesn`t come close to paying what they cost society. They also drive down wages and make it impossible for teens to get jobs because they can`t compete against adult illegals who will work minimum wage.
  62. Profile photo of OldOllie
    OldOllie Male 60-69
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    November 20, 2010 at 9:41 pm
    I was wondering how long it would take OldOllie to come and ruin this otherwise intelligent conversation.
    psychosax, if you think this was an intelligent conversation, you need to get out of the group home more often.
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    almightybob1 Male 18-29
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    November 20, 2010 at 9:48 pm
    I couldn`t begin to guess what contorted methodology produced this perverted result
    I`m not asking you to guess. I was asking if you checked. The report is available online. I`ll link it in my next post. Not that you`ll read it.
    The fact that you brand it a perverted result while admittedly knowing nothing about the methods or data the result is based on is just further evidence of your blinding bias.

    A person living at the poverty line in the US has a larger house than the AVERAGE person in continental Europe.
    That may well be true, although I could find nothing to back it up. The only data I found on house sizes put USA joint 4th behind two European countries.
    But either way, Europe has a population over double that of the USA, in a roughly equivalent land mass. House size is a poor cross-continental measure of wealth. GDP is better, and Europe wins that.
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    almightybob1 Male 18-29
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    November 20, 2010 at 9:50 pm
    UN HDI report 2010.

    Actual house size data (average houses).
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    addler Male 13-17
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    November 20, 2010 at 9:52 pm
    "I was wondering how long it would take OldOllie to come and ruin this otherwise intelligent conversation. 4 hours, 37 minutes, 16 seconds"

    I was wondering how long it would take psychosax to make a smart or funny comment. Anywhere. The timer is going... there is no sign of a smart or funny comment anywhere in the near future...
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    psychosax Male 18-29
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    November 20, 2010 at 9:53 pm
    @OldOllie
    Fascism = Corporations control government
    Starts out with out of control capitalism (what you and other conservatives want). Corporations gain extreme power and influence. Thus, corps. become more powerful than the government. Corporations merge with/buy out government.
    Socialism = Government control (some) corporations
    Starts with regulation and oversight (what liberals want). Government acquires large corporations that serve important functions to the populace and that would damage the society if they fall. Eventually, the government may take over ALL corps., thus creating communism.
    In practice, communism and fascism are identical. The government and corporations exist as one entity.
    Extreme conservatism -> fascism
    Extreme liberalism (and socialism) -> communism

    There you go.
  67. Profile photo of psychosax
    psychosax Male 18-29
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    November 20, 2010 at 9:56 pm
    @addler
    See previous comment.
  68. Profile photo of almightybob1
    almightybob1 Male 18-29
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    November 20, 2010 at 9:56 pm
    Oh, I understand perfectly why we have experts: to serve the ends of the experts. I do not, however, blindly accept their bull$#!+ as gospel the way you do.

    This made me laugh so much. You know the biggest difference between us? When someone claims something, I actually check. That`s how I found that house size data. I like to know what is true and what is not. I also read about how the UN determined the value of a country`s HDI, even though I already thought the results would be fairly accurate. Which I bet you still haven`t done, for something you disagree with.

    You don`t care about facts, or truth. You didn`t look into the methodology of a report you disagreed with - you just brushed it aside by attempting to discredit the source. And you accuse ME of blindly accepting things as gospel? You don`t even know HOW to go about determining fact from fiction.

    Not that you should start. It makes your BS claims waaay easier to shoot down.
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    addler Male 13-17
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    November 20, 2010 at 10:02 pm
    "@addler
    See previous comment."

    No, the timer for your smart or funny comment is still running.

    I did, however, have to reset your stupid/not funny comment timer. Unfortunately that one is reset pretty often, so it is not much of an accomplishment.
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    sculptress Female 18-29
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    November 20, 2010 at 10:07 pm
    i read it as "vomiting" at first.
  71. Profile photo of OldOllie
    OldOllie Male 60-69
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    November 20, 2010 at 10:08 pm
    Per capita GDP for the US: $46,400
    Per capita GDP for the EU: $23,600

    That`s pretty close to double. Yeah, you have two countries that outscore us. Well, we have two states that outscore Norway, so that leaves you with Luxembourg as the only thing you have to brag about. Are you from Luxembourg? I didn`t think so.

    Plus the cost of living is MUCH higher in the EU because of the taxes. Your standard of living is lower because your money doesn`t buy as much. I can buy a gallon of gasoline for $2.50. What are you paying?

    The UN has been so thoroughly discredited, I don`t even bother to try refute their findings by controverting their methodology. I can simply disprove their ridiculous claims with easily available contradictory facts.
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    Inter237 Male 18-29
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    November 20, 2010 at 10:10 pm
    This one started a real firestorm!
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    psychosax Male 18-29
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    November 20, 2010 at 10:11 pm
    @addler
    Wow, you`re clever. Did you come up with this bit all by yourself? This whole stupid/not clever comment timer? This is so funny and fresh. Especially the part where you changed the properties of YOUR concept to include the reset function because I proved it wrong by saying something intelligent "in the near future"
    Do you really think I give a poo about whether or not YOU think my comment is funny or smart?
  74. Profile photo of OldOllie
    OldOllie Male 60-69
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    November 20, 2010 at 10:12 pm
    There you go.
    I told you this is bull$#!+. Repeating it ad infinitum isn`t going to change that.
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    psychosax Male 18-29
    121 posts
    November 20, 2010 at 10:19 pm
    @OldOllie
    Are you joking? Yeah, how about we look at GDP at PPP, wherein the data actually means something when we look at what you can buy with your capita.
    Oh look, Luxembourg has $78,409 vs US`s $45,934. Also above the US is Qatar, Norway, Singapore, and Brunei.
    Source = http://goo.gl/f968Z
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    addler Male 13-17
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    November 20, 2010 at 10:20 pm
    Dearest Psychosax
    You seem to have misinterpreted the timer. Let me clarify.

    There are in fact two timers in existence. One timer measures the time in between your smart or funny comments, the other measures the time between your stupid or not funny comments.

    Since your "smart" comment was not actually smart (it was actually pretty stupid), it reset the stupid or not funny comment timer.

    The smart or funny comment timer is still running, and there is a chance that it will never reset itself.

    As for whether or not you "give a poo", you should because I`m a drating huge deal. However, as a licensed "best person ever" I would advise that, if you truly don`t give a poo, you don`t get so worked up. Its embarrassing.

    Lovingly Yours,
    addler
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    psychosax Male 18-29
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    November 20, 2010 at 10:32 pm
    Dear Addler,
    Please, go get a hobby or something. Or a life. Whichever you prefer, but I`m not going to give you an ultimatum. Or, you could just not listen to me at all, because I don`t know you. I don`t think I possess the authority to tell you what to do with your life.
    But I do want to make something clear. Your timers: they mean nothing. Maybe you do have a pair of clocks on your desk right now that you, for whatever reason, are using to keep track of my comments and your opinion of them, but I really (and I`m being as nice as possible) don`t care. Your opinion of me has no conceivable impact on me and my life. I guess if you really wanted to, you could continue your timers, but I`m just not going to even acknowledge your comments regarding the matter.
    Have a wonderful day.
    Sincerely,
    Psychosax
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    LazyMe484 Male 18-29
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    November 20, 2010 at 10:46 pm
    I smell a patriotic idiot by the name of OldOllie
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    I-IS-BORED Male 18-29
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    November 20, 2010 at 10:47 pm
    addler - stalker of the intertubes
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    Altaru Male 18-29
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    November 20, 2010 at 11:00 pm
    There you go.

    I told you this is bull$#!+. Repeating it ad infinitum isn`t going to change that.
    Yeah, typical. Because actually admitting to reality would require you to step out of your ignorant little bubble and LOOK at reality first.

    You want the companies to have free reign? Let them do whatever the hell they want?

    I`m sure the people of the early 1900s would LOVE you...
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    Morrigann Male 18-29
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    November 20, 2010 at 11:17 pm
    this is why you shouldnt take ecstacy and then go vote.
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    GlooStikk Male 18-29
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    November 20, 2010 at 11:22 pm
    that was really hot. everyone talking about something else has been proven to be a 25+ self-hating virgin. easy. ^_^
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    GlooStikk Male 18-29
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    November 20, 2010 at 11:24 pm
    lol i love when i go back two pages and still am in the development of the argument. i dont care what the topic is. im glad you`re all feeling it
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    CBFLATLINE Male 40-49
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    November 20, 2010 at 11:41 pm
    Here ya` go...
    http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=N4r0VUybeXY
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    OldOllie Male 60-69
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    November 20, 2010 at 11:48 pm
    LazyMe484, I understand exactly where you`re coming from. If I were Canadian, I wouldn`t be patriotic either.
  86. Profile photo of OldOllie
    OldOllie Male 60-69
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    November 20, 2010 at 11:55 pm
    You want the companies to have free reign? Let them do whatever the hell they want?
    Yeah, pretty much. As long as they don`t use force or fraud or stink up the water or air too much they can do just about anything they like. It`s called freedom. Maybe you`ve heard of it.

    BTW, who anointed you to tell them they can`t? Maybe YOU`RE the one who needs to be regulated so you can`t go around telling other people how to run their businesses when you obviously couldn`t run a lemonade stand.
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    OldOllie Male 60-69
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    November 21, 2010 at 12:10 am
    CBFLATLINE, that video was absolutely brilliant! However, don`t expect the left-wing idiots here to watch it or understand it. That would require a 10-minute attention span and a 3-digit IQ. Very few liberals have either, and I`ve never met one with both.
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    Lionhart2 Male 40-49
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    November 21, 2010 at 12:20 am
    That advert is SO appropriate, seeing as no matter who you vote for, you get shafted.
  89. Profile photo of Altaru
    Altaru Male 18-29
    3483 posts
    November 21, 2010 at 12:38 am
    Yeah, pretty much. As long as they don`t use force or fraud or stink up the water or air too much they can do just about anything they like. It`s called freedom. Maybe you`ve heard of it.
    Like I said, I`m sure the people of the early 20th century would just LOVE you.

    You know, back when workers falling into grinders and diseases were common because no-one gave a sh*t about safety over profits?

    Back when people were paid next-to-nothing with no benefits? Back when people were fired and replaced because they got injured on the job because there were no safety regulations?

    Oh, and another thing:

    You pull that "look at history, it`s never worked" card...

    Well, look at history: Businesses being unregulated ALWAYS results in fraud, corruption, and force.

    When businesses AREN`T regulated, they take control.

    You pick and choose which parts of history you want to pay attention to, obviously...
  90. Profile photo of Altaru
    Altaru Male 18-29
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    November 21, 2010 at 12:45 am
    BTW, who anointed you to tell them they can`t? Maybe YOU`RE the one who needs to be regulated so you can`t go around telling other people how to run their businesses when you obviously couldn`t run a lemonade stand.
    You couldn`t run many businesses either.

    Do you know why businesses are able to operate and make money?

    Because THE PEOPLE are willing to pay them.

    When businesses are "free" (see: in control), they would rather force the people to adapt to what THEY want. They give us no choice by buying out their competition and using other dirty methods.

    Which would lead to you bitching on the exact OPPOSITE end of the spectrum, the businesses would be oppressing us and denying us our rights and freedoms.

    That`s why we have this little thing called a "government," which is (supposed to be) the will of the people.

    With a government, what WE say goes, not what THEY force us to say.
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    Shwigityshwa Male 18-29
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    November 21, 2010 at 1:04 am
    OldOllie, I really have to say, you sure are full of poo to say that liberals are all stupid when YOU are willing to bend over and take it from big companies just to try to prove some ambiguous, and frankly, nonexistent point.

    You defend big business and corporations saying, "Hey do whatever you want as long as it doesn`t blow up the world!" without taking into consideration that this kind of attitude is what got us in this huge amount of debt in the first place....

    Yes, Ollie, Your "free market" system is EXACTLY why we are so drated over, it is EXACTLY why all of those big flawless banks you believe in collapsed, we (the government) allowed them to gamble using the peoples money, and of course, YOU say that is okay because, really, we should have NO SAY in what a business can do.

    I bet you support the Tea Party, the smartest move republicans ever made, making Government look like the problem so the rich can screw over the common man a
  92. Profile photo of Altaru
    Altaru Male 18-29
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    November 21, 2010 at 1:07 am
    I think, in your case, "wisdom" and "experience" are just synonymous with those clouds over your eyes that allow you to see only what you want to see.

    And, just so you know, I did watch the video.

    And it`s exactly why I hate politicians. The longer they are politicians, the more corrupt they get.

    I`m as much for controlling the government as you are. But a Night watchman state is next to impossible, because businesses are just as corrupt, if not more-so, than career politicians.

    If you`d wipe the fog off your glasses, maybe you`d see that part of history too.

    In a perfect world, I would be on your side 100%.

    It`s too bad this one isn`t.
  93. Profile photo of Shwigityshwa
    Shwigityshwa Male 18-29
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    November 21, 2010 at 1:07 am
    (continued)

    as the common man just supports the super rich, being corrupted to believe that somehow the "Socialist Muslim Obama and friends" are trying to destroy the nation with taxes, even thoug OBAMA dratIGN WANTS TO CUT TAXES FOR THE MIDDLE CLASS!

    The super rich actually have turned the people against themselves, and you go right ahead and support them as if they have a right to drat everbody over for profit.

    That is just sick.
  94. Profile photo of Altaru
    Altaru Male 18-29
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    November 21, 2010 at 1:34 am
    Which would lead to you bitching on the exact OPPOSITE end of the spectrum, the businesses would be oppressing us and denying us our rights and freedoms.
    Just a little playing on this...

    I`m a member of quite a few other forums, including one specifically that has to do with laser pointers. It`s a forum run by a specific company, and it CLAIMS to be an "open forum for all laser pointer talk, advice, and shopping."

    However, I`ve seen where people would post on that forum mentioning another company in a good light, and that post would either be edited to mention the forum-owning company, or the post would be deleted all-together.

    Now, what would happen if companies like that were building our roads? Funding our schools?

    You rely too much on the idea that businesses don`t end up corrupt, only governments do that.
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    Gentle-Tramp Male 13-17
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    November 21, 2010 at 1:54 am
    lol, how can a video like this start out a debate?

    nvm. that video was hilarious XD
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    ChrisMunich Male 18-29
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    November 21, 2010 at 2:36 am


    @OldOllie: This debate is so tiring, usually I wouldn`t go into an entirely personal remark but this does beg for it; You seem entirely incapable to even for a moment assume the point of view of another person, completely narrowing and closing your mind to fit into a view that makes you the most comfortable. You seem to be the type of person that when everybody disagrees, hell, even when the facts disagree, you don`t question your own choices or beliefs, instead you assume that everyone else is wrong. You`ve ingrained a certain set of ideas into your mind and refuse to let them go, likely out of fear that such an act would suddenly remove the superiority that you are so certain that you have. You are incapable of replying with anything but non sequiturs, snide remarks, or bigotry. You disregard any accomplishment that does not fit into your world view, and pathetically cling to an out-dated and hopelessly flawed mindset because the reality frightens you. If anything, I pity y
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    TalcumX Male 50-59
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    November 21, 2010 at 3:30 am
    @ oldollie...he just called you a democrat
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    EricWRN Male 30-39
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    November 21, 2010 at 3:46 am
    Altaru: everyone is corrupt, the difference is that business have to do good business to make money and stay in business.... the government can do whatever it wants (whatever suits it best) and stay in business
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    EricWRN Male 30-39
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    November 21, 2010 at 3:50 am
    Altaru: sorry, but the government is the only "business" in the world that doesn`t rely on performance for success. Nobody thinks that businessmen aren`t corrupt, but if they don`t offer a product that people want and that performs well they don`t stay in business very long. So if hospitals/ schools/ police departments had to abide by those principles? Yeah... i`m not seeing the downside....
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    EricWRN Male 30-39
    590 posts
    November 21, 2010 at 4:02 am
    haha, "when business aren`t regulated, it results in fraud"... because clearly no fraud is going on with the government in control!!! And you`re right, in the early 1900s, employees were "falling into meat grinders" (pretty bad for business, it`s already been proven that these problems were being fixed without OSHA). Thank God we now have total government regulation and oversight and control so most american businesses don`t even build factories or hire employees in america! What a brilliant system!
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    Helgarin Male 18-29
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    November 21, 2010 at 5:30 am
    Would be nice if there were more adverts like this instead of those perfume adverts :D
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    TheNineXXX Male 18-29
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    November 21, 2010 at 5:41 am
    She`s Catalan - Probably wouldn`t appreciate being called Spanish.
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    Bioshocker Male 13-17
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    November 21, 2010 at 6:05 am
    she`s hot
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    Gerry1of1 Male 50-59
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    November 21, 2010 at 7:15 am
    lol @ EricWRN
  105. Profile photo of Altaru
    Altaru Male 18-29
    3483 posts
    November 21, 2010 at 7:47 am
    Nobody thinks that businessmen aren`t corrupt, but if they don`t offer a product that people want and that performs well they don`t stay in business very long. So if hospitals/ schools/ police departments had to abide by those principles? Yeah... i`m not seeing the downside....
    Oh?

    Well, what happens when one business gets more powerful than his competition and ends up bringing it all down?

    At which point, LIKE I SAID, they FORCE us to take what they GIVE us by leaving us with no other choice.

    It`s called a monopoly, and it`s bad for a LOT of reasons, in case your fogged over glasses don`t let you see that part of history.
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    gorgack2000 Male 13-17
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    November 21, 2010 at 7:57 am
    "i-am-ninja, the issue is central government control. Every single time it has been tried, it has failed miserably. Over 100 million people have been slaughtered in the numerous attempts to make it work."
    We`ve had it for over 50 years and it`s going great for us.

    Not perfect, obviously, but then neither`s capitalism.
  107. Profile photo of Altaru
    Altaru Male 18-29
    3483 posts
    November 21, 2010 at 7:58 am
    haha, "when business aren`t regulated, it results in fraud"... because clearly no fraud is going on with the government in control!!!
    Again, I said that`s why I hate politicians.

    The difference is, if the people would get off their lazy asses and actually do it, we could say NO when the government shows signs of corruption.

    By the time a business shows signs of corruption, it`s usually too late and we don`t have a choice, it`s either buy THEIR product or do without. And that would mean a LOT of doing without if it happened in too many industries...

    Thank God we now have total government regulation and oversight and control
    Well aren`t you little Miss Hissy Fit Hyperbole?

    It`s called "moderation," something people like you seem to have a hard time understanding.

    Keeping fat millionaires from selling tainted meat =/= controlling the economy with an iron fist.
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    Rawrandmer Female 13-17
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    November 21, 2010 at 8:01 am
    that made me feel awkward..lol
  109. Profile photo of EricWRN
    EricWRN Male 30-39
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    November 21, 2010 at 8:02 am
    Sorry but I don`t buy into the garbage that monopoly`s are evil and all-consuming. If you have a company that runs so well and offers a product so cheap yet reliable, YOU SHOULD PUT EVERYONE OUT OF BUSINESS. That`s called FREE ENTERPRISE.

    I also can`t think of any products I`m FORCED to have by anyone. And sorry but a lot of monopoly`s were ended for POLITICAL reasons. I know, it`s shocking to think that the government would act out of its own interests but guess what... that`s usually what happens! No monopoly is going to last forever on it`s own, that`s the beauty of a free market.
  110. Profile photo of EricWRN
    EricWRN Male 30-39
    590 posts
    November 21, 2010 at 8:15 am
    Here`s an idea... when the federal government can run like a successful business/ household (ie, it brings in more money than it spends), it can then tell other businesses how they need to run! In the mean time, it`s baffling to me why we let the government decide anything about any businesses or why anyone trusts the government the manage the economy. If the government were a business it would have gone OUT of business years ago, thank god it can just print more money when it needs to! Oh wait, every time they print money, that`s basically like stealing money from every single working american because it instantly becomes worth less. Oh well! It`s not like they just printed another $600B a few weeks ago.... oh wait....
    Anyway the whole monopoly`s are bad thing is a hoax. Any time the government pops up and says it needs to intervene in something everyone in this drating country should see a red flag go up.
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    EricWRN Male 30-39
    590 posts
    November 21, 2010 at 8:26 am
    Oh yeah, the FDA is a fraud too
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    FuriousTuna Male 13-17
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    November 21, 2010 at 8:28 am
    FALSE PROMISES
  113. Profile photo of Altaru
    Altaru Male 18-29
    3483 posts
    November 21, 2010 at 8:33 am
    @EricWRN

    Let me guess, you and your kind see the world as one huge RTS, don`t you?

    Who gives a flying f*ck about human beings, they`re all just numbers to you, right?

    The almighty dollar is everything?

    The amount of money the top 20% makes is more important to your kind than the quality of living of the other 80. That`s what I get out of nearly everything you say.

    You just assume that the top 20% are going to make it better all around, I`m telling you to take off your fogged over glasses and realize that that rarely, if ever, happens.

    The two most corrupting and destructive forces on this planet are money and power. And when money IS power, that just makes everything worse.
  114. Profile photo of EntrE
    EntrE Male 18-29
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    November 21, 2010 at 8:39 am
    EricWRN has no trust in government, which are people who are elected and controled, but an insane amount of trust in companies who are neither elected or controled... way to go, man!
  115. Profile photo of Altaru
    Altaru Male 18-29
    3483 posts
    November 21, 2010 at 9:13 am
    If you have a company that runs so well and offers a product so cheap yet reliable, YOU SHOULD PUT EVERYONE OUT OF BUSINESS.
    Your theory works about as well in practice as communism. Both look like good ideas, until people start acting on them.

    Not only that, but if this were the market YOU want, then there`d be no way for new businesses to even get off the ground, let alone offer a cheaper, better product.

    Because in case you didn`t know, those big monopolies had a bad habit of under-pricing their opponents, and controlling the supplies of necessary parts.

    In other words, a new business wouldn`t even be able to get hold of the supplies necessary, because the suppliers wouldn`t want to lose the monopoly`s business. If they COULD get hold of the supplies, they couldn`t sell anything, because the monopoly (who could afford to) would lower their prices.

    Then raise them back up when the new company was no more.
  116. Profile photo of Altaru
    Altaru Male 18-29
    3483 posts
    November 21, 2010 at 9:28 am
    You can claim I`m drinking the Kool-Aid, but at least I can see clearly.

    And another thing:

    If the recent economic troubles have shown us anything, it`s that businessmen will still make their money on a sinking ship.

    You`re basically saying it`s okay to sell tickets to a life-raft.

    That`s fine and dandy... For you... If you can afford it.

    In which case, you`re a prick, and my point stands: You care about your own rights, and no one else`s.

    If everyone were Andrew Carnegie, I`d be with you 100%. Too bad the world isn`t nearly that perfect.

    And no, I`m not saying more government is a good thing. But the old saying goes, "All things in moderation."
  117. Profile photo of OldOllie
    OldOllie Male 60-69
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    November 21, 2010 at 9:36 am
    Shwigityshwa, you blame the free market for the financial crisis, but the fact is, the free market has an airtight alabi: it was nowhere near the scene of the crime. We haven`t had a free market in this country in over 100 years.

    Government regulation, on the other hand, left it`s fingerprints all over the place.
  118. Profile photo of OldOllie
    OldOllie Male 60-69
    15841 posts
    November 21, 2010 at 9:43 am
    OBAMA dratIGN WANTS TO CUT TAXES FOR THE MIDDLE CLASS!
    BS. Obama wants to leave taxes the same as they are now -- not cut them -- for the middle class, but he wants to raise taxes on employers in the middle of a recession. Do you seriously think that`s going to make them create more jobs? If you do, you`re a fapping retard.

    BTW, if the Bush tax cuts were really only for the rich, as the Democrats claimed, why is it now a tax cut for the middle class to leave them in place? Were the Democrats lying then, or are they lying now?
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    xXAmethystXx Female 18-29
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    November 21, 2010 at 10:08 am
    that was dirty.......
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    Initzero Male 13-17
    31 posts
    November 21, 2010 at 12:06 pm
    What did I just watch!!! I kinda want my 1:28 back...
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    SvampeBob Male 18-29
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    November 21, 2010 at 12:46 pm
    if the closes were off, then i would probably vote for them
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    Quik2TheStab Male 18-29
    661 posts
    November 21, 2010 at 1:41 pm
    OldOllie, Obama has actually cut taxes quite a bit already.

    Oh, and if you think government regulation put us in this recession, how the hell do you think FDR got us out of the Depression, and how do you propose getting out of the recession, now?

    Also, you`re stupid, and no one respects you or your opinion.
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    AntPharm Male 18-29
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    November 21, 2010 at 2:05 pm
    She`s pretty hot
  124. Profile photo of Oldfrt
    Oldfrt Male 50-59
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    November 21, 2010 at 2:07 pm
    Quick2TheStab: "Oh, and if you think government regulation put us in this recession, how the hell do you think FDR got us out of the Depression..."

    FDR didn`t do anything to get out of the depression, he shot-gunned a bunch of socialist experiments, most of which failed, until WWII came along.

    Ad hominem attack + misunderstanding history=fail
  125. Profile photo of Shwigityshwa
    Shwigityshwa Male 18-29
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    November 21, 2010 at 2:51 pm
    First of all Ollie, way to refute the idea that under regulated business had nothign to do with the housing collapse and recession, if I knew all I had to do was to prove that I am right in an argument is make a nonsense absolutly fact free metaphore and extend it to the point of looking like an insnae douchebag, ....no wait, I still wouldn`t do that...

    Because I actually care about the truth rather than making up random bullpoo and not really providing any facts or thoughts on the situation.

    If you are going to make an agrument, maybe you should show how UNDER REGULATION would have helped stop banks not drat over the idiots getting into contracts they didn`t know they couldn`t handle (I am reffering to people who got into the housing crisis through buying homes)...

    The banks used these fools and played hot potatoe with the bad contracts they had and tried to bet on who would end up with them to try to make profit and it failed...
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    Animecha Male 18-29
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    November 21, 2010 at 3:14 pm
    @Oldfrt
    So FDR`s attempt to use heavy government spending made things worse but heavy government spending after joining the war worked? Way to think that one through
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    SuperOnion Male 18-29
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    November 21, 2010 at 3:59 pm
    The girl is pretty cute. I`d slip my ballet in her box if you catch my drift ;)
  128. Profile photo of EricWRN
    EricWRN Male 30-39
    590 posts
    November 21, 2010 at 5:27 pm
    Altaru: i don`t trust anyone. Corporations are honest about what they want - to sell you a product. The government is sneaky and conniving and will TAKE your money without giving you poo. And for every huge corporation that basically has a monopoly (like walmart, which provides cheap food and cheap products while employing hundres of thousands of people), there`s probably 5 start-up companies that destroyed old "monopolies". Have you noticed that the government doesn`t really act on "anti-trust" laws anymore? That`s because there were a lot of studies and research done saying that breaking up monopolies (which in large part was SHEERLY done out of self interest by politicians) WAS BAD FOR THE COUNTRY. Sorry but when you drink the kool-aid about how the government is hear to help and you`re a good person if you just pay your taxes and vote for democrats to redistribute your money - you don`t see poo clearly. Handouts only help to entrench the lower class,but that`s w
  129. Profile photo of EricWRN
    EricWRN Male 30-39
    590 posts
    November 21, 2010 at 5:43 pm
    I honestly don`t care about rich people OR poor people - I think everyone should have the same opportunities and the same rights (and no, I don`t think "rights" is a subjective term that can be redefined by politicians). And new companies and new products get off the ground all the time - it`s called innovation and it happens constantly. Remember when AOL used to have a monopoly? Yeah, AOL who now. Remember IBM? Remember AT&T? Remember Sony?
    Sorry but nobody is FORCED to buy any products from any companies, no matter how big they are, and there will ALWAYS be new competition.
    We`ll play a game - I`d say WalMart probably is the closest thing to a monopoly present day. Name 3 GOOD reasons walmart is bad.
    (BTW- notice that in this environment of increasing government interference in the economy, they don`t break up huge companies/ monopolies anymore?) Any idea why that is?
  130. Profile photo of Altaru
    Altaru Male 18-29
    3483 posts
    November 21, 2010 at 6:22 pm
    We`ll play a game - I`d say WalMart probably is the closest thing to a monopoly present day. Name 3 GOOD reasons walmart is bad.
    Well, shall we start out looking at local results?

    In my small town alone, Wal-Mart put multiple small businesses OUT of business simply by moving in the local area.

    Combined with the constant move towards automation and lower costs through lower labor costs, that`s jobs and wages that small communities can`t afford to lose in the first place.

    (BTW- notice that in this environment of increasing government interference in the economy, they don`t break up huge companies/ monopolies anymore?) Any idea why that is?
    Umm, I don`t know, because the politicians are corrupt and getting pay-offs and campaign contributions from them?

    Derp...

    Remember AT&T?
    BTW, AT&T DID end up getting broken up, in case that slipped your mind...
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    EricWRN Male 30-39
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    November 21, 2010 at 6:43 pm
    Wait so Walmart moving in and putting smaller stores out of business created less jobs? That doesn`t make sense.
    And no, corrupt politicians isn`t the reason anti-trust laws aren`t used anymore (AT&T breakup was 70s when it wasn`t unpopular yet).

    So you gave one illogical and unsubstantiated reason walmart is bad (and part of your reason was "lower costs", which is a benefit for the consumer), and I guarantee walmart employs more people and gives better benefits than any local business. And I don`t think walmart pays less for labor than some mom and pop store - sorry but that`s extremely far fetched.
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    xbx214 Male 18-29
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    November 21, 2010 at 8:26 pm
    That was hot, I kinda came in my head when I saw her leg touch her anckle it seems sexy lol
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    Saskuel Male 13-17
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    November 21, 2010 at 9:11 pm
    i thought it was whilst vomiting, so i was interested in watching to see how that would turn out...
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    I-IS-BORED Male 18-29
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    November 21, 2010 at 9:56 pm
    "Wait so Walmart moving in and putting smaller stores out of business created less jobs? That doesn`t make sense."

    yes it does, they got rid of more jobs than they created durp durp
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    ErinBtx Female 18-29
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    November 21, 2010 at 10:32 pm
    this was, well, interesting. sorta. not sure what it has to do with walmart
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    ErinBtx Female 18-29
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    November 21, 2010 at 10:35 pm
    and durp, durp.. walmart does create more jobs. walmart kills off competition. and many local businesses would have gone out of business anyway thanks to obama so i`m not sure what your point is.
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    OldOllie Male 60-69
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    November 21, 2010 at 10:51 pm
    The banks used these fools and played hot potatoe with the bad contracts they had and tried to bet on who would end up with them to try to make profit and it failed...
    Actually, Shwigityshwa, that`s a pretty accurate account of what happened. You`re missing a couple of details, though. The banks made these bad loans because government regulations -- specifically the CRA -- FORCED them to do it. Then FM&FM bought the crap loans -- giving the banks back their money so they could do it all over again -- and bundled them up into mortgage-backed securities, and sold them to Wall St. as government-guaranteed securities.

    Meanwhile, pushing all those new home buyers into the market drove up prices to unsustainable levels creating the "housing bubble." (cont.)
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    PierreJeanFR Male 40-49
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    November 22, 2010 at 3:05 am
    you don`t need less goverment, you fools!
    You need better governance.
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    I-IS-BORED Male 18-29
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    November 22, 2010 at 7:52 am
    @OldOllie
    the CRA didn`t do anything
    The CRA didn`t force them to give out loans with no money down to people that were obviously not going to manage to make their payments. Not to mention the fact that the CRA doesn`t apply to most of the institutions involved.

    It even says they should still maintain safe and sound operating protocols and does not require them to make any loans that can bring losses.
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    Angelmassb Male 18-29
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    November 22, 2010 at 8:18 am

    Spain, of course
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    OldOllie Male 60-69
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    November 22, 2010 at 10:59 am
    you don`t need less goverment, you fools!
    You need better governance.
    Less government IS better government...you fool.

    "That government is best which governs least." -Thomas Paine.

    If you don`t know who Thomas Paine was, suffice it to say he was a hell of a lot smarter than you.
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    OldOllie Male 60-69
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    November 22, 2010 at 11:01 am
    The CRA didn`t force them to give out loans with no money down to people that were obviously not going to manage to make their payments.
    False.
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    OldOllie Male 60-69
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    November 22, 2010 at 11:15 am
    Oh, and if you think government regulation put us in this recession, how the hell do you think FDR got us out of the Depression, and how do you propose getting out of the recession, now?
    Q2, FDR didn`t get us out of the the Great Depression, he made it worse. Everywhere else in the world it as a depression. Only in America was it called "The Great Depression." Six years after he took office unemployment was 25%! We didn`t come out of it till WW2.

    If you want to get out of a recession, 1) cut taxes on businesses and the rich, aka EMPLOYERS, 2) cut government spending, and 3) cut regulations, i.e., stop doing the crap that got us into the recession in the first place!

    Of course, you would probably rather we have another Great Depression than to do that. Hey, maybe we can luck out like FDR did and have another world war!
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    OldOllie Male 60-69
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    November 22, 2010 at 11:18 am
    (Sorry, my Internet went down last night...)

    Okay, let`s pause for a halftime report. The toxic assets have already been created. The crash is now inevitable. What regulations could you have put on Wall St. at this point that could have stopped it? The real damage was already done before Wall St. even got involved.

    Now, I`ll grant you that there were a lot of shenanigans going on -- packaging, repackaging, insuring, re-insuring -- basically, as you said, passing the hot potato. Actually, it was more like musical chairs. Everybody was merrily dancing around the room till the music stopped and there weren`t enough chairs to go around.

    We can rail against Wall St. for buying and selling crap, but the root cause of the crash wasn`t buying and selling this crap; it was creating the crap in the first place. That was done entirely as a result of government regulation which forced banks to make bad loans and the GSEs FM&FM who provided the money to do it.
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    meepmaker Male 30-39
    6694 posts
    November 22, 2010 at 12:27 pm
    She pulled a Meg Ryan.
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    I-IS-BORED Male 18-29
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    November 23, 2010 at 8:16 am
    "False."

    Wow you`re great at researching things aren`t you? That was such an in depth and detailed response to what i said. Oh and btw it`s not false, it`s WRITTEN INTO the CRA that any actions made by the banks are still expected to follow safe and sound operating protocols and that their `cra rating` isn`t to be based directly on numerical results, it says the evaluation process should accommodate the situation and context of each individual institution.

    "Only in America was it called "The Great Depression.""

    It`s not called the great depression only in the US, that just shows how ignorant you are. Economic `depressions` have happened multiple times on varying scales, that was a huge one so it was called the GREAT depression. Chile is referred to as being the country hardest hit, not the US. Do you even read or do your opinions just come from dreams you have/FOX?
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    OldOllie Male 60-69
    15841 posts
    November 23, 2010 at 11:06 am
    I-IS, the letter of the law and the way it was enforced are not necessarily the same. Here is Clinton`s HUD Secretary, Andrew Cuomo, explaining how they forced banks to make loans to low-income borrowers who could not meet the requirements for a mortgage.

    Okay, I just PROVED that your claim was false, so SUCK IT!

    Regarding, who had a depression and who had a Great Depression, wow, I guess you got me there. So I will graciously concede your point. It was a Great Depression in the US and Chile, and it was just a regular depression IN THE ENTIRE REST OF THE F***ING WORLD!

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    impretybored Male 18-29
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    November 24, 2010 at 1:42 pm
    and people have been looking for ways to get more voter turnout....

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