Wikileaks Iraq War Logs: Every Death Mapped

Submitted by: a1butcher 6 years ago in
http://www.guardian.co.uk/world/datablog/interactive/2010/oct/23/wikileaks-iraq-deaths-map

The Wikileaks Iraq war logs provide us with a unique picture of every death in Iraq.
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Male 532
How many of these "civilian" casualties were caused by these ragheaded scumbags hiding behind women and children and hiding inside hospitals and mosques and being protected by these so called innocents? It`s a war people, don`t start none won`t be none. The problem started with the politicians trying to spin it as the US trying to liberate all those poor opressed Iraqi`s so that all you liberal european pansies would stop whining about "blood for oil". We are fighting an enemy that doesnt wear a uniform or fight under a flag. There is no way to seperate combatants from civilians when everybody from old women to children are walking around carrying Kalishnikovs. You are the same morons that think the police overreacted because they shot somebody wielding a chainsaw and didn`t stop to talk about their feelings first. You haven`t been there and it`s easy to be an armchair/monday morning quarterback. STFU!
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Male 108
it sucks when it`s graphed like this but that`s war people. what did you expect? could you imagine what it`d look like if this was done during WW2?
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Male 3,076
|-(
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Male 4,290
[quote]@almightybob: if you click on the dots, it essentially shows what it was. I saw a bunch of IED deaths, and a lot that were labeled "murders" with one civilian dead. I`m assuming the military just found the body and reported it.[/quote]
Ah yeah. It took me quite a few clicks to find a Coalition death, loads of civilian casualties though. I suppose it must just be every dead body they encountered, so probably not all of them were related to the war. Still sad though.
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Male 703
When it says "Type: Friendly Action...Attack On: FRIEND" and shows 3 Enemy killed, what the heck does that mean? Does it mean the enemy killed themselves in a training excercise?
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Male 378
it looks like Detroit
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Female 31
I`m so saddened by this. i don`t care about the politics behind this. i hope all the innocent people that died here rest in peace. What has this world become.
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Male 12,138
[quote]Neosophist - How can facts be biased?? Or maybe a better question, why do you not know what biased means?[/quote]
You misunderstood. He was admitting that, as a member of the military, HIS view might be biased (personally, I would disagree that he`s biased, he does make a valid point).
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Male 3,745
"It`s a good start, but there`s still a bunch of them left."

of who? ignorant people who need to be turned in based solely only their ignorance?
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Male 10,855
@Baalthazaaq

Predictable? As you`ve shown obviously.
Avoidable? Maybe before 2001 but after Bush picked his cabinet I say no.

You`ve probably read this letter addressed to Bill Clinton himself. If you Google the names at the bottom of the page you`ll notice that most of them were part of the Bush 43 cabinet. They were definitely scheming this when they entered office.


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Female 375
Neosophist - How can facts be biased?? Or maybe a better question, why do you not know what biased means?
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Male 2,313
It`s a shame what this country has become.
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Male 1,834
not cool
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Male 138
This should never have been leaked. Alot of people say its brave that someone did this, I disagree. Sometimes it`s best to keep people in the dark. And what the hell IAB? Multiple news stories about the pentagon planning on dealing with the fall out from someone violating their contract to not leak poo like this, and you guys go ahead and post it? Not to be overly critical, but the person that leaked this can be charged with treason by all technicalities. But this is a biased view from a skirt chasing, chain smoking, foul mouthed, bare knuckle brawling sailor. (not really all that, but hey, who am i to tell the people that theyre wrong in their preconceptions about the military?)
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Male 1,452
"Wikileaks is full of poo.

#1 cause of American casualties."

87% of statistics can be made up on the spot
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Male 2,034
@almightybob: if you click on the dots, it essentially shows what it was. I saw a bunch of IED deaths, and a lot that were labeled "murders" with one civilian dead. I`m assuming the military just found the body and reported it.
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Male 4,290
Very sad.

Also strange that quite a few are outside Iraq. Perhaps it`s all deaths, and not just combat deaths?
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Male 5,620
@SPrinkZ

I am not going to argue with you, but I am going to refer you to a couple of books to read:

The Cousin`s Wars, by Kevin Philips
God`s New Israel, by Conrad Cherry

Perhaps if you didn`t have such a narrow view, you could study these two works and realize the importance religion played a part in western society.

And, to follow up with a bought of patriotism: If you don`t like America, leave.
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Male 2,307
"I can`t agree with this, as theistic religions may have caused troubles, but it was also the foundation of the entire western society. It isn`t like nothing good comes out of organized religion."

I don`t understand this asinine claim. It is equally as true to say that cooking is responsible for western civilization, or anything else preceding it. Religion is not responsible for very much aside from keeping stupid people in their place. Hence why lords ran manors, and peasants slaved away. Their awful squalor was rectified by the belief in God. Without it, they would have revolted like hell. Why else would they be suffering if it were not for God`s plan?

Religion has no place in taking responsibility for Western Civilization. And Western Civilization isn`t that great anyway. It`s always fixated on finding absolutes about the world that clearly aren`t there.
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Male 524
If I were 18 again, i wouldn`t go. I wouldn`t have gone to Vietnam,either.
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Male 313
Losing just one of our military is sad indeed. I have two sons that are military, one went to Iraq, and one went to Afghanistan. I worried about them daily.

They volunteered.

I am glad to say that they are not a dot on this politically motivated map. My thoughts and feelings go out to those that lost a loved one or friend.

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Male 72
well now you know which parts of iraq to avoid
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Male 1,108
[quote] You cannot force anyone to believe the way you believe; whether you are a theist or an atheist. [/quote]
The Spanish Inquisition did a pretty good job of trying.
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Male 1,108
All the dots are in or around Iraq. What about the soldiers who commit suicide after discharge? Are we not counting them either?
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Male 812
My god, it`s like the land of death!
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Male 165
I haven`t looked at it, but there`s probably 10 times more, especially civilian casualties that these won`t mention, sadly.
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Male 12,138
Should never have come to this in the first place. That`s all.
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Male 2,486
I can`t help but notice the VAST majority of these are civilians being killed or wounded, seriously, click around.
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Male 5,620
@kittehdee29
I apologize for insinuating or hinting that atheists do not want peace, that was not my intention at all. I just can only speak as a theist, and that is what I was trying to infer.

"they have a good reason to want to dismantle organized religion, not religion as a whole, and even then, only theistic religions."

I can`t agree with this, as theistic religions may have caused troubles, but it was also the foundation of the entire western society. It isn`t like nothing good comes out of organized religion.

"Those that say God told them to do something and then act accordingly have mental problems, whether it be because they were brainwashed or because they are legitimately insane."

I partially agree with this (I do study and apply psychology), but the going idea for what I think you are talking about - in reference to wars and the like, is from people who are using religion as a crutch, and are not very "religi
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Male 351
The UN is a joke. Screw the UN.
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Female 803
And let me rephrase: "there are those of us (theists) that want only peace" sounds a little too much like you`re saying "only theists want peace," which is just not true.
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Female 803
I said they have a good reason to want to dismantle organized religion, not religion as a whole, and even then, only theistic religions. Honestly I`ve only even seen religion at the root of wars, or at least as an excuse. This "war" may be for oil, but religion was used as an excuse. Those that say God told them to do something and then act accordingly have mental problems, whether it be because they were brainwashed or because they are legitimately insane.
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Male 5,620
"There are those of us (theists) that want only peace" does not equal "all theists want peace."
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Male 5,620
@kittehdee29

I tend to disagree with you, in that anti-theists have good reason to want to dismantle religion. It is about as amoral and irrational a view as the view that some theists hold that atheism should be abolished.

The simple and plain fact is this: You cannot force anyone to believe the way you believe; whether you are a theist or an atheist.
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Female 803
"There are those of us (theists) that want only peace"

Not everyone that wants peace is a theist.
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Male 5,620
@kittehdee29

Once again someone is putting words into my mouth. I never once said that all theists want peace.
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Female 803
To add to my comment as you added to yours, anti-theists have a good reason to want to dismantle organized religions. Do you see what Islam has done to it`s own people? Do you see how many Christians cast out their own because they are gay? Anti-theists are not amoral people, although they take it a bit farther than most atheists.
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Female 803
@elkingo, really? You REALLY think that all theists want is peace? Haven`t you heard that the vast majority of atheists were once theists and decided for themselves that gods don`t exists partially because morality is subjective? I`m going to leave out the obvious "no proof" argument here because that has nothing to do with my point. Theism (or Christianity) does not equal morality.
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Male 5,620
@thestringy

Allow me to clarify a few things.

1. I was not talking about atheists. Being an atheist implies that you do not believe in God, or a god. Nothing more, nothing less.

2. I was talking about anti-theists. People who are atheists, yet also seek to dismantle religion as a whole - but more specifically Christianity.

3. I never said that theists hold the best or only example for morality. Atheists can be moral also.

My point, is that anti-theists are typically amoral, and never really have anything constructive to add to any debate/philosophical argument.
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Male 102
I have no other comments on the loss of life except that it is grotesque in my opinion. As for the wikileaks we had that coming since A.) the official war campaign is over in Iraq, now it`s just training police forces and B.) we never got UN approval to go into Iraq, we owe it to the rest of the world to release the data of our excursion.
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Female 1,203
@Collegebound-Agreed. ishkabibbles- I am sorry but collegebound has a good point in my opinion.
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Male 4,807
inaria..... Click a red dot and the stats come up
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Male 3,745
"This is so ridiculous... my buddy was on the front lines in Iraq and most of these deaths are from coward insurgents who use civilians as shields.

We`re at war with some of the most drugged up, immoral monsters over there... were fighting to give the country back to the good people of Iraq... And yet somehow we`re the bad guys?"

had we never went to war with the wrong faction to begin with they would have no reason to use civilians as shields...

that being said what do you think is the relationship with congressmen and soldiers compared to insurgents and their own civilians? looks pretty much the same to me...
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Female 1,515
I don`t know what I`m looking at. Civilians? Soldiers? How is this supposed to affect me, because I already know lots of people died. And by lots I`m comparing it to peacetime...since compared to other wars it`s not really lots. Not that their lives weren`t important, I`m just not sure how to feel about this data I guess...
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Male 9,305
People died.

:(
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Male 155
This is so ridiculous... my buddy was on the front lines in Iraq and most of these deaths are from coward insurgents who use civilians as shields.

We`re at war with some of the most drugged up, immoral monsters over there... were fighting to give the country back to the good people of Iraq... And yet somehow we`re the bad guys?
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Male 2,307
"It`s like a fractal! You can keep seeing more deaths every time you zoom in!"

Bwhahahahahaha. Too funny. But sadly true. Nah this is pretty macabre really.
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Male 25,416
Thats very interesting but concerning at the same time!
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Male 2,402
Got to love how the Military Industrial machine runs this country. Right into the ground both morally and economically.
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Male 734
It`s like a fractal! You can keep seeing more deaths every time you zoom in!
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Male 3,482
[quote]The real solution would have been to topple Saddam, cleanse the higher ranks of the Military but leave it intact, give them a constitution in a box, occupy the country until elections were held, and then move on. Much like we did with Japan or W. Germany.[/quote]
The thing is, what you`re doing here is condemning the mistakes of the past.

Alright, fine, they were made. But it`s about damn time we let that go and start worrying about the mess we have to clean up NOW.

And it`s gonna take a lot of work to do that.

Quit worrying about the fact that we f*cked up. We need to make sure we don`t f*ck up again, and do the job right.
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Male 483
@elkingo

Why is it you think that theists are the authority on morality?

You say that only atheists "hold ignorance without reason" but was it not a few [extreme] religiously minded people who ultimately started this war off in the first place?

I fear I may be adding fuel to the fire here, but that sort of talk really annoys me.
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Male 602
Arden, that view is not a very good representation of the whole, very akin to lumping all Muslims as terrorists because 19 of them flew into a building.

I believe in war, and I believe in fighting a war to win it, but I don`t believe in the wholesale slaughter of a people.

Altaru your strategy is the exact strategy that they are using around Kandahar, and it is extremely slow and allows the insurgents plenty of time to entrench, place IED`s, and prepare to fight.

The real solution would have been to topple Saddam, cleanse the higher ranks of the Military but leave it intact, give them a constitution in a box, occupy the country until elections were held, and then move on. Much like we did with Japan or W. Germany.
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Male 602
I swear someone needs to turn Mr. Assange in to a little red dot somewhere on a map. Useless mouth breathing self centered idiot, disguising his personal crusade as a "quest for the truth".

So far, the only he has told us that we don`t already know are the names of informants, which the Taliban and Al-Qaeda have both been extremely happy about. He hung his informant out to dry as "collateral damage", he verbally abuses his own staff, and he thinks he is some great visionary.

I wish to God I could run in to him in a dark alley with a lead pipe.

People who haven`t been through war have no understanding of it. This has been one of the cleanest wars in history, as far as unnecessary deaths go. Tactically, it was an atrocity that started with the disbanding of the Iraqi Army, and ended with letting them write their own constitution. A nation can`t go to war while pretending it is not, your objectives must be clear.
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Male 6
I`d like to think that the responses akin to `hey you missed a few` when presented with mass loss of civilian life is an attempt at humour - not genuine desire.

Turning this about: Imagine a terrorist attack in the US, civilans die. Now imagine people posting quips about napalming the rest of the joint.

I`m curious as to how homogenous this world view is within the US? Curious - and a little nervous.
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Male 5,620
sorry - "yo" should have been "to". haha
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Male 5,620
Baal - remember yo argue the anti-theists, like LtFurpie - only they hold ignorance about reason. There are those of us (theists) that want only peace. Hatred never solved anything, regardless of religion.

I think you are Muslim, if I am not mistaken, and regardless of your differences in views from mine, God or Allah would want us both to take caution in hatred.

However, your 19 year old self sounds like he thought much like I thought when I was 22 - around 8 years ago. I too thought that Iran, and other places would begin to fear for their own safety, and start to amass weapons.

Russia has interacted with these countries, and has built up tension for years there. In some measures, it is like the cold war never ended.
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Male 341
Is this just soldiers or civilians aswell?
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Male 341
Interesting how we can represent the loss of a human life and the suffering for their friends and family with a single red dot.
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Male 633
All pointless dots. Thank you Bushes & co.
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Male 4,546
Some quotes from 19 year old me:

"Now this is not relevant until you consider what people will be thinking in Iran. Iran has not been as restricted by Sanctions, it trades weapons with Russia, and right now, like N.Korea and Syria, will be worried for it`s safety, and will begin to amass weapons."

April two thousand and drating three, as soon as the war drating started.

Seriously, sometimes, when America`s advisors can`t quite keep up with a 19 year old, google, and some semblance of consideration, maybe those advisors need to shut the drat up, and sit the drat down, and a couple of you need to put the drating pom poms down.
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Male 258
Is that the Tigris river? I just learned about that in history a few weeks ago!.. also tragic. very tragic
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Male 4,546
This was all predictable, avoidable, patently obvious to even a 19 year old version of myself.

Unfortunately, it seems to be run by people like LtFurpie.

Gerry:
"this is the toilet of the world.

whatever happened to the good old days when fire-bombing was allowed."

Hey, I know I rag on America occasionally, but even I wouldn`t call it the toilet of the world. I know a lot of horrible terrorists want to firebomb the whole place, but that`s because they`re terrorists.

You know, people you can`t possibly understand or sympathize with. Must be religion or something.
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Male 185
Finally we found the WMD, oh wait, those are the dead? My bad. Just keep fighting.
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Male 3,482
[quote]I don`t think this release of information will mean much. I think that`s what you people don`t get. In any healthy functioning society, there`d be mobs in the streets and political upheaval. You`re not going to see that anytime soon.[/quote]
This was one of the comments on that page.

In any healthy, functioning society, people would realize that, in war, sh* happens. People would also realize that, once a war is started, you can`t just drop your guns and leave.

That`s one of the reasons I wish I could go back in time and punch a hippie during Vietnam. I won`t go into the others.
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Male 3,482
[quote]It`s asinine to think that the US is right in everything we do, and the same goes for anyplace else.[/quote]
No, we`re not. But we have a responsibility to finish what we started, or else the problems will only get worse.

Look what happened in the various colonies in Africa after the imperialistic European nations left them on their own.
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Male 10,338
Wikileaks is full of poo.

#1 cause of American casualties.
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Male 3,482
It needs to show which are civilian, soldier, insurgent, etc.

Without that, this really means nothing.

Tactics for solving the problem? Surround the country, close in a couple miles at a time, explore every cave, annihilate terrorist forces. Don`t let any escape, cage them in like cows at a slaughterhouse. No fire-bombing, and if the innocents just stay out of the way, they don`t get hurt.

As far as I`m concerned, in a situation like that, there`s our side, or their side. If you`re not helping us or staying out of the way, you`re helping them or giving them human shields.
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Male 5,194
It`s a good start, but there`s still a bunch of them left.
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Male 5,164
kittehdee29 Omg is a dream or i really read what you have written? First time i see an honest comment despite to allways read some mindless quote like "kill them all", "nuke them all"or "USA..USA" with huge veins on neck for effort. Finaly...so maybe there is still some hope.
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Female 803
Oh Christ, people. I`m often ashamed to say I`m an American. I`ll admit, I stay out of sh*t like that as much as possible because there are too many people that have absolutely no idea what`s going on. I agree with the comments under the map, especially about how the media has near complete control over what people know, unless they go out and research the real answers. It`s asinine to think that the US is right in everything we do, and the same goes for anyplace else. Stop with your elitist attitudes and maybe, just MAYBE you`ll make a few allies instead of enemies.
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Male 1,013
@elkingo - you`re right... scorch all the adjoining countries as well. Let`s nip this religion thing in the bud before it exterminates us all!
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Male 39,913
this is the toilet of the world.

whatever happened to the good old days when fire-bombing was allowed.
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Male 4,680
Funny how the owner of wikileaks gets accused of being a child molester *just* after documents were leaked...
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Male 5,314
just nuke them. the end.
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Male 5,620
LtFurpie - "scorching" an entire nation solves nothing.
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Male 290
It doesn`t look that bad until you zoom out a bit and start panning around...
I wish they had different colors for civilians, insurgents, local `friendlies` and coalition forces.

Interesting how a few incidents are recorded inside Turkey, Syria, Saudi Arabia, Kuwait and Iran
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Male 36
I nearly complained about IAB getting political, then I saw it and cried.
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Male 1,013
I like this map - zoom out till the pushpins are one blob. Pull out our troops, then scorched earth that whole area.
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Male 4,807
Link: Wikileaks Iraq War Logs: Every Death Mapped [Rate Link] - The Wikileaks Iraq war logs provide us with a unique picture of every death in Iraq.
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