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  1. Profile photo of mushie_mush
    mushie_mush Female 18-29
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    October 5, 2010 at 3:30 pm
    Link: Why So Sexist, Disney? - A letter from Disney rejecting a job applicant because she was female.
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    TadnJess Male 30-39
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    October 5, 2010 at 4:07 pm
    Well for 1938 most women were treated like this...
    In 2012 women get treated the same way just worded differently. :/
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    bingo5765 Male 18-29
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    October 5, 2010 at 4:11 pm
    Could women even vote in 1938?

    End women`s suffrage IMO.
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    almightybob1 Male 18-29
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    October 5, 2010 at 4:13 pm
    Ah, the `30s. When the letters PC meant neither politically correct nor personal computer.
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    number696969 Male 30-39
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    October 5, 2010 at 4:15 pm
    I think the stationery gives a pretty good example of a) the sort of girl they want to come visit the studio in person and b) what they think of women who want to be in the workplace anyway.

    Good job we`re not like that now, hey ladies? Can one of you get me a cup of tea and a foot massage now?
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    TheGrinch Male 18-29
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    October 5, 2010 at 4:20 pm
    @TadnJess: Since when is it 2012?
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    PvtDeth Male 30-39
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    October 5, 2010 at 4:26 pm
    "In 2012 women get treated the same way just worded differently."

    You`ve been to 2012? What`s it like? Are there jetpacks?
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    Fatninja01 Male 30-39
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    October 5, 2010 at 4:30 pm
    wow, so harsh!
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    vorpalsword Male 18-29
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    October 5, 2010 at 4:36 pm
    TADNJESS IS POSTING FROM THE FUTURE
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    xxPinkxx Female 18-29
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    October 5, 2010 at 4:41 pm
    Meh, its 1938. woman got fired for beong pregnant or too pretty, too.
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    SomeShoes Male 13-17
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    October 5, 2010 at 4:48 pm
    well yeah it`s sexist, its 1938!
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    ggolbez Male 18-29
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    October 5, 2010 at 4:51 pm
    It was a different time. Does that justify it, or make it right? Certainly not. But it was a different time. Go read the bible, if you want some morale outrages.
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    GuardinGnome Male 18-29
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    October 5, 2010 at 4:55 pm
    I like how a woman wrote it.
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    Angilion Male 40-49
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    October 5, 2010 at 4:57 pm
    They had jobs set aside only for men and other jobs set aside only for women, on the basis of irrational babble that they mindlessly believed in because they`d been conditioned to do so, i.e. sexist stereotyping.

    The stereotypes have changed, but sexist stereotyping is still popular because people are just as irrational now as they were 70 years ago.

    Has anyone checked to see if this is genuine? So much of the stuff is feminist historical revisionism propaganda that it`s sometimes hard to tell what`s real and what`s fake.
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    tainteddeity Male 18-29
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    October 5, 2010 at 5:11 pm
    I`m interested in cases of this feminist historical revisionism propaganda, Angillion. Do you have any examples?
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    Gerry1of1 Male 50-59
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    October 5, 2010 at 5:13 pm
    blah blah blah

    yeah, all kinds of injustices in the past.... moving on now
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    Angilion Male 40-49
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    October 5, 2010 at 5:27 pm
    I`m interested in cases of this feminist historical revisionism propaganda, Angillion. Do you have any examples?

    Do what I did. Spend years reading them and thinking they`re true, then research actual history and see how different it is.

    It`s unsurprising in retrospect. Arguing that men want to oppress women and feminism is all that`s stopping them creates fear and anger and is therefore very good for recruitment, but obviously that means that massive oppression must exist prior to feminism gaining power. So it must be made up as far as possible.

    Random example:

    Women were not allowed to own property in Britain until <insert your own date here>. I`ve heard and read dates from the late 19th century to the 1960s).

    It`s not true.

    Records in England are fairly common back as far as ~1200, with some earlier ones. Property ownership meant taxes, so it was all recorded. It was normal for women to own property an
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    Olragix Male 18-29
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    October 5, 2010 at 5:27 pm
    By:
    Mary Clisal??

    FAIL
  19. Profile photo of Angilion
    Angilion Male 40-49
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    October 5, 2010 at 5:32 pm
    Last line was "...property and businesses".

    There`s also an entry in the Magna Carta (1215) establishing constitutional protections for women who own land, property, businesses, etc. Note that it didn`t give women a right to do so - that was already taken as a given, something so obvious it didn`t need to go into the charter.

    It`s worth noting that this was all under Norman law, which was *worse* for women than the English law that preceeded it.
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    bmh Female 18-29
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    October 5, 2010 at 5:51 pm
    "yeah, all kinds of injustices in the past.... moving on now"

    You wish. Or rather, women wish.
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    Heureux Male 40-49
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    October 5, 2010 at 5:54 pm
    "Do what I did. Spend years reading them and thinking they`re true, then research actual history and see how different it is. "

    So nothing you can substantiate with external sources.

    Understood.
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    NotTHATbored Female 18-29
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    October 5, 2010 at 5:55 pm
    @Angellion I couldn`t find anything to prove or disprove the letter`s authenticity. I don`t know that I am as skeptical as you however, given the time period it is very possible that it coul be real.
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    k8lin Female 18-29
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    October 5, 2010 at 6:00 pm
    They weren`t allowed to fill in the drawings, but they were allowed to trace them?
    What differece does it make?
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    WhoaHeyDude Male 18-29
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    October 5, 2010 at 6:03 pm
    Tuesday, October 5, 2010 5:51:17 PM
    "yeah, all kinds of injustices in the past.... moving on now"

    You wish. Or rather, women wish.

    -Lol, never satisfied.
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    DavioMagnifi Male 13-17
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    October 5, 2010 at 6:17 pm
    Yeah talk about sexism, I love tracing, I would be absolutely crushed if I applied and they said only women traced...
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    Jasonbobdude Male 18-29
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    October 5, 2010 at 6:54 pm
    It was the 1930`s. You simply didn`t have rights if you were a woman or black.
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    LemonTarte Female 18-29
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    October 5, 2010 at 7:10 pm
    I-A-B the net`s hottest breeding ground for bigots.
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    Stormydreams Female 18-29
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    October 5, 2010 at 7:14 pm
    The mind of a man back in the 1930s-odd: "Oh, women and their shenanigans. When will they accept that they merely exist to sew and for us manly beasts to breed with?"

    ..only more 1930s-ish.
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    SmilinSam Female 18-29
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    October 5, 2010 at 7:15 pm
    yeah well they hated jews too so whatevs. once a bigot always a bigot no matter what you hate.
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    MauserTM Male 18-29
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    October 5, 2010 at 7:21 pm
    Women actually dont have creativity, except in really really rare cases. But theyre good at other things, like multitasking, or perseverance.
    Its like taking in a jew to play football, let him do the accountings, theyre great at it, ask peter griffin.
    Racist me? what are you taking about?
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    MauserTM Male 18-29
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    October 5, 2010 at 7:25 pm
    Also, how come there are no women priests?
  32. Profile photo of EricWRN
    EricWRN Male 30-39
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    October 5, 2010 at 7:37 pm
    Oh come on, women do a lot of creative work in the kitchen
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    DeathToLems Female 18-29
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    October 5, 2010 at 8:00 pm
    1938, yup, now which woman wants to be around in them days?
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    Nocciolina Female 18-29
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    October 5, 2010 at 8:09 pm
    MauserTM, quit it with the triple post
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    cobrakiller Male 18-29
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    October 5, 2010 at 8:17 pm
    ah, the good old days.
  36. Profile photo of tatripp
    tatripp Male 18-29
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    October 5, 2010 at 8:23 pm
    @mauser women can`t become priest because the church doesn`t have power to make them priests. How come women can`t be the president?
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    davymid Male 30-39
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    October 5, 2010 at 8:42 pm
    @mauser women can`t become priest because the church doesn`t have power to make them priests. How come women can`t be the president?
    On the second point, please tell me you`re kidding. Please.
  38. Profile photo of MauserTM
    MauserTM Male 18-29
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    October 5, 2010 at 8:47 pm
    @tatripp
    Kirchner, Bachelet, 2 current presidents.

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    RoboPatton Male 30-39
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    October 5, 2010 at 9:21 pm
    then they were all "we want to do paint and ink stuff too wah wah wah"

    I mean, have you seen Phineas and Pherb?

    ps dont tell my wife I made that joke.
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    Wai-Yu Female 13-17
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    October 5, 2010 at 9:26 pm
    notice this letter was from 1938...
    still... shame on you Walt Disney
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    Baalthazaq Male 18-29
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    October 5, 2010 at 9:26 pm
    ... clearly wrong on the woman president thing. I assume he means how come we still don`t have a woman president of the USA, but still they can run.

    Also, Mauser: There are women priests. Florence Li Tim Oi was the first I know of in 1944.

    You don`t have to stick to the USA when it was clearly what he meant, I don`t need to stick to the Catholic church when it`s clearly what you meant. Silly games put aside please.

    Now, basically I think the Catholic Church is a slow changing beast. This has positive aspects, and negative aspects.

    Generally, liberals make mistakes, and conservatives keep those mistakes in place. The church is a conservative body. It therefore flows slower than government when it comes to social change.

    If you wanted women priests, society shouldn`t have treated them as second class citizens until the 1980s.
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    Angilion Male 40-49
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    October 5, 2010 at 9:27 pm
    So nothing you can substantiate with external sources.

    Understood.

    You understand only your own prejudices. You ignored the lengthy example I gave. You will not look for yourself. You know nothing because you are determined to know nothing.

    May you one day gain wisdom.
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    Angilion Male 40-49
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    October 5, 2010 at 9:30 pm
    @Angellion I couldn`t find anything to prove or disprove the letter`s authenticity. I don`t know that I am as skeptical as you however, given the time period it is very possible that it coul be real.

    I consider it possible, as I said before. I don`t consider it certain without evidence.
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    Angilion Male 40-49
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    October 5, 2010 at 9:31 pm
    The mind of a man back in the 1930s-odd: "Oh, women and their shenanigans. When will they accept that they merely exist to sew and for us manly beasts to breed with?"

    ..only more 1930s-ish.

    Maybe in Australia. But I doubt it.

    Your sexist stereotyping is much worse than Disney`s was.
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    Angilion Male 40-49
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    October 5, 2010 at 9:40 pm
    Also, how come there are no women priests?

    Female priests. Women priests would be people who priested women, whatever that means.

    It depends on the religion and the denomination within that religion. It also depends on how you define "priest". If you`re going on the catholic version of Christianity (I`m thinking that`s likely because it tends to be them who use the word `priest`), it`s mostly because they have traditionally interpreted the 12 apostles being men as a sign that all priests should be men.
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    davymid Male 30-39
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    October 5, 2010 at 9:43 pm
    Does anyone else get a bit of a semi-lob-on when Angilion gets on one of his rants? Or do I just need to seek professional counselling?
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    Golkar Male 18-29
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    October 5, 2010 at 9:44 pm
    Walt Disney was a piece of garbage.
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    Swaywithme Female 18-29
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    October 5, 2010 at 9:49 pm
    "Your sexist stereotyping is much worse than Disney`s was."

    ..You`re going to actually argue that that wasn`t the mind-set of your typical man in the 30`s, 40`s, 50`s...hell, 60`s, 70`s..? though, thankfully as decades passed the "Typical Guys" slowly converted into "Boring Idiots"



    But need I say more? I think my favorite has to be the one that just starts out "MEN ARE BETTER THAN WOMEN" or maybe the "The Chef does everything but cook- That`s what wives are for!"

    So don`t attack Stormydreams for stating the truth. Just because the mens and society in general have smartened up now, doesn`t mean that it wasn`t different in the 30`s...Now if the U.S could just learn from it`s mistakes... (Women...African Americans....Gays...)



    Sexist Ads (t
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    NotTHATbored Female 18-29
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    October 5, 2010 at 10:20 pm
    "I consider it possible, as I said before. I don`t consider it certain without evidence."

    I would consider it probable, but not certain. Especially because there are other similar letters to this out there and it appears that the animators were all male at one point in time.
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    Wizard77 Male 40-49
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    October 5, 2010 at 10:36 pm
    Yes Swaywithme thank you for telling the U.S. all our faults and how to run our nation.

    Canada=France light without the cool parts or class.
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    Kalimata Male 30-39
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    October 5, 2010 at 10:53 pm
    "Canada=France light without the cool parts or class."

    In writing that, you just did what you gave another crap for doing. Ignorance 2, intelligent reply 0
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    number43 Male 70 & Over
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    October 5, 2010 at 10:56 pm
    Somewhere there`s a letter floating around addressed to some depressed young man wishing he could be an "inker" but was denied because men aren`t allowed. But we`re not going to see that letter on here, it wouldn`t infuriate enough people.
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    Baalthazaq Male 18-29
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    October 5, 2010 at 11:24 pm
    Sway:
    I think Angie`s point was that it basically didn`t say "some men", they made it seem like all men. Which isn`t the case.

    I`ve seen a lot of Angie`s posts, and I think he`s... well.. very straightforward.

    Currently, he isn`t sexist. He thinks that an equal world consists of treating everyone the same. He dislikes therefore, statements about men being acceptable, and statements about women being unacceptable.

    the world doesn`t work that way, but him arguing from the perspective that it should is perfectly reasonable.

    That`s part of the problem. The world isn`t perfectly reasonable.
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    BigMordecai Male 18-29
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    October 5, 2010 at 11:24 pm
    Yet men voted for suffrage in 1920`s. We trusted them with policies and war but not animation. Interesting.
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    Corpsecrank Male 30-39
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    October 5, 2010 at 11:31 pm
    Uh 1958? What that means is that this particular time frame was long before women were treated equally. Women did not have the same rights as men and did not need to be considered for employment at all especially based on sex. There were no sexual discrimination laws back in the 50s.
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    ibx33 Male 18-29
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    October 5, 2010 at 11:41 pm
    Corpsecrank:

    It`s actually from 1938. Being pre-WWII, that makes it even less surprising than 1958.
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    Mantolwen Female 18-29
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    October 5, 2010 at 11:43 pm
    > Uh 1958? What that means is that this particular time frame was long before women were treated equally. Women did not have the same rights as men and did not need to be considered for employment at all especially based on sex. There were no sexual discrimination laws back in the 50s. <

    It`s 1938, which means pre-war when women were suddenly allowed to do a lot of stuff they`d been forbidden from before because all the men went off to fight.
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    Crucible Male 18-29
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    October 6, 2010 at 12:22 am
    Mantowlen, 1938 is years before the war for the Americans. It wasn`t even on the minds of Americans
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    Joolin Male 18-29
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    October 6, 2010 at 1:22 am
    Yeah, we should all go picket Disney for being so unfair to 70 years ago women. It must be terrible to be a 70 years ago woman because you would be treated unfairly by Disney and also because you would be a time anomaly.
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    jimbro Male 40-49
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    October 6, 2010 at 1:48 am
    is it signed by someone named Mary? that would be funny..."women only do inking and painting. and rejection letters."

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    TR-Wolf Male 18-29
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    October 6, 2010 at 2:50 am
    1938. Nuff said.
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    fabarati Male 18-29
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    October 6, 2010 at 3:18 am
    @Crucible: 1938 is the year before the war for everyone. WW2 broke out on September 1 1939. One can argue that the lead up to the war should be included, but one can also argue that WW2 is merely the extension of WW1, and thus not a separate war.

    Actually, that last bit is kinda true. Either way, the US didn`t properly join the war until December 7 1941.

    @davy: I also enjoy Angilions rants a little too much.
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    1097 Female 50-59
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    October 6, 2010 at 5:06 am
    Crucible - You need to do some serious study. Americans were very aware of the war in Europe. Lot`s of RAF pilots were American. Lindburg was a supporter of Germany. There were German U-Boats off the east coast and in the gulf well before the 40`s.
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    DMoneys36 Male 13-17
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    October 6, 2010 at 6:03 am
    @109y and fabarati.
    I think what Crucible was talking about was sexism... not the war. but I could be wrong
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    Lukgeezy Male 18-29
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    October 6, 2010 at 6:16 am
    stupid women!
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    pmarren Male 40-49
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    October 6, 2010 at 6:53 am
    Ah, the good old days.
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    Oystah Female 40-49
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    October 6, 2010 at 7:13 am
    I like how the secretary has to sign her name right near the wicked witch. I wonder if acceptance letters have something nicer at the bottom.
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    rifter Male 30-39
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    October 6, 2010 at 7:28 am
    I think I knew the lady who was the applicant. I grew up in Searcy (rhymes with "mercy"). It was still a known story in the late `80s when she died. It was part of her obit. I can`t seem to remember her married name.
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    almightybob1 Male 18-29
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    October 6, 2010 at 9:16 am
    It was part of her obit.
    Getting a job rejection letter was one of the most notable events in her life? That`s a bit of a shame.
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    rifter Male 30-39
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    October 6, 2010 at 9:23 am
    "Getting a job rejection letter was one of the most notable events in her life? That`s a bit of a shame."

    It was one of those obits that take up half the page because of how generous she was to orphans and the community in general. I just remember it because one of the women lib groups picked up on it and rallied against Disney, even though it was 50 years prior to her death.
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    bankvole Male 30-39
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    October 6, 2010 at 10:00 am
    This was written in 1938. Up to the 1970s job adverts is the Belfast Telegraph would often contain the phrase `Protestants only need apply`.
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    almightybob1 Male 18-29
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    October 6, 2010 at 10:13 am
    Ah OK, good. I thought you meant like a little one. "Steve, 89, missed by all." "Alice, 67, survived by husband John." "Mary, 72, once rejected from Disney job."
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    DixxyRarr Female 18-29
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    October 6, 2010 at 10:16 am
    Wow. This really makes me think about how lucky I am to have been born in the 80`s. I want to go out an find all those bra burning b*tches from the 60`s and give them big hugs. Bra-less hugs.
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    TheTroof Male 40-49
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    October 6, 2010 at 11:42 am
    @DixxyRarr............Me too... to the hugging braless b*tches :)
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    duffytoler Male 40-49
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    October 6, 2010 at 12:17 pm
    "...very few openings in comparison to the number of girls who apply."

    Any Hollywood anything, even an inker for Disney, attracts a huge number of girls. Could it be that this is the driving force of the sexist aspects of that letter?
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    BlooGreen Female 18-29
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    October 6, 2010 at 12:48 pm
    ..... 1938.
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    Swaywithme Female 18-29
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    October 6, 2010 at 1:08 pm
    "Yes Swaywithme thank you for telling the U.S. all our faults and how to run our nation.
    Canada=France light without the cool parts or class. "

    Lol, Yep I really went into the politics of your nation there didn`t I? ...but you have to admit that the U.S has got a horrible track record going on here.
    to discriminate on sex, discriminate on race...both of these ideas are (or should be!) unfathomable now so it`s just funny that they haven`t figured out that discriminating on sexual preference is just as stupid....

    Besides, anyone that compares Canada to France has country experience fail x2!! I mean Quebec? Sure, yeah! but as for the other 9449061km2......
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    davidstone Male 18-29
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    October 6, 2010 at 2:23 pm
    "Lol, Yep I really went into the politics of your nation there didn`t I? ...but you have to admit that the U.S has got a horrible track record going on here.
    to discriminate on sex, discriminate on race...both of these ideas are (or should be!) unfathomable now so it`s just funny that they haven`t figured out that discriminating on sexual preference is just as stupid.... "

    You`re joking, right? This woman lost a job opportunity for not having the right equipment, but you should look at the ridiculous things that some developing countries (and even some developed) do to women, for the reason that...


    they`re women.
    Trust me, equal rights is not global. And you`re JOKING if you think that sexual and racial discrimination don`t go on where you live.
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    GiveChase Female 18-29
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    October 6, 2010 at 4:56 pm
    David: What you said is basically the equivalent of, "Hey, I may have mugged someone, but there are murderers out there!"
    Wrong is wrong.

    That said, this letter is old and during the time when this was "normal". Now, if it were present time...
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    Angilion Male 40-49
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    October 6, 2010 at 5:23 pm
    You`re going to actually argue that that wasn`t the mind-set of your typical man in the 30`s, 40`s, 50`s...hell, 60`s, 70`s..?

    Of course I am. It was a simple sexist stereotype. People who agree with stereotypes think they reflect the typical man/woman/ "black"/ "white"/homosexual/Briton/ American/whatever. That doesn`t make it so.
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    Angilion Male 40-49
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    October 6, 2010 at 5:31 pm
    Somewhere there`s a letter floating around addressed to some depressed young man wishing he could be an "inker" but was denied because men aren`t allowed. But we`re not going to see that letter on here, it wouldn`t infuriate enough people.

    It`s also alleged that in those days Disney refused to hire men for some types of jobs because they thought only women could consistently pay attention to fine detail, blah blah blah. Possible but unproven, like this.

    It all makes me want to scream. We`re supposed to be an intelligent species with some degree of rationality, yet slopping billions of people together as if they were one person and attaching whatever stupid stereotypes are fashionable at the time on them is consistently normal. The stereotypes change and the degree of stereotyping for each group changes, but it`s always common. That`s far from intelligent and rational. It`s madness.
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    Angilion Male 40-49
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    October 6, 2010 at 5:35 pm
    Lot`s of RAF pilots were American.

    I`ve been trying on and off for years to find out how many people from the USA joined the British military before the USA formally entered the war. I can prove there were some who came here as civilians and joined up, but I can`t find out any idea of the numbers. Could be a handful, could be quite a few.

    You`re the first person I`ve seen claim "lots". Do you have any sources?
  83. Profile photo of Angilion
    Angilion Male 40-49
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    October 6, 2010 at 5:46 pm
    I want to go out an find all those bra burning b*tches from the 60`s

    i) That never actually happened. It was a publicity stunt that didn`t really have anything to do with anything but for some reason became an iconic image.

    ii) You`d be missing the people who laid the foundations years before, who should get more consideration than they generally do. I`m not sure about the USA, but here in the UK you`d have to go back to the early years of the 19th century, not fairly late in the 20th. You`d probably be surprised to find that many of them never wore bras anyway, as they were men. Not that bras as we know them existed back then.
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    henryhendrix Male 30-39
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    October 6, 2010 at 6:48 pm
    Flame war, much.
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    whitetigeres Female 18-29
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    October 6, 2010 at 10:16 pm
    Angilion there .. I could have been like you and said " go look it up" like you did to another poster.. but since I wasn`t the one who brought it up.. here is a link :D

    www. taphilo.com/history/WWII/ BofBamericanpilots. shtml
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    CzarElad Male 40-49
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    October 6, 2010 at 10:51 pm
    It was not just the disney studios that had that practice. A recient story on the history detectives about some cells that were found explained it. if you would like to see it it can be found at the pbs website.
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    jimbobsthebe Male 18-29
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    October 7, 2010 at 5:23 am
    I thought it had been proven that women can`t do things as well as men. Why all the outrage?
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    pui Female 18-29
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    October 7, 2010 at 7:00 am
    It all makes me want to scream. We`re supposed to be an intelligent species with some degree of rationality, yet slopping billions of people together as if they were one person and attaching whatever stupid stereotypes are fashionable at the time on them is consistently normal. The stereotypes change and the degree of stereotyping for each group changes, but it`s always common. That`s far from intelligent and rational. It`s madness.
    Well said.

    Also, "Madness"!? THIS. IS. SPARTA!!!!
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    WetSquirrel Male 18-29
    54 posts
    October 7, 2010 at 8:06 am
    Whatever. No biggy. There are many things out there that guys can do better than girls, and many things girls can do better than guys. All this equal opportunity employment is just BS. Why not give the job to the most qualified person applying. Nowadays, having to have a certain number of black, asian, hispanic, etc.. all while keeping ratios of men to women proportional is ridiculous. That`s still prejudicial.
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    Holly69 Female 18-29
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    October 7, 2010 at 8:29 am
    this is dated 1938
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    Skillet89 Male 18-29
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    October 7, 2010 at 2:30 pm
    Why the hell is this dated all the way back to 1938???
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    rachelplays Female 18-29
    28 posts
    October 7, 2010 at 3:05 pm
    hahaha i saw this in a book about rejection letters.
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    Angilion Male 40-49
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    October 7, 2010 at 5:55 pm
    Angilion there .. I could have been like you and said " go look it up" like you did to another poster.. but since I wasn`t the one who brought it up.. here is a link :D

    I spent two posts giving a detailed example. That is not "go look it up". I did not write "go look it up" at all. A radical change in opinion is not going to happen from reading a few posts by me on IAB. That has to come from finding out for yourself, which is why I suggested they did so if they were interested.

    www. taphilo.com/history/WWII/ BofBamericanpilots. shtml

    Thank you. 10 is a lot more plausible than "lots".

    By chance, I found a figure for the total number of Americans who joined the British military in WW2 before the USA entered the war - 244. The source (Jeremy Clarkson) is very unreliable and he may well have just made it up, so that doesn`t help much. It sounds plausible, though.
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    Angilion Male 40-49
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    October 7, 2010 at 5:59 pm
    Well said.

    Also, "Madness"!? THIS. IS. SPARTA!!!!

    That scene is a brilliant piece of film-making. It`s a shame that almost everything in that film is wrong. I wish people who made films claiming to be covering real events in the real world would make them accurately or just make the fantasy film they want to make and not pass it off as anything real.
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    LouDogg Female 13-17
    314 posts
    October 10, 2010 at 4:06 pm
    putting all the sexism aside, they really make their rejection letters pretty
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    ROK9 Male 18-29
    1834 posts
    October 10, 2010 at 6:05 pm
    so gimme a sammich
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    meepmaker Male 30-39
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    October 19, 2010 at 12:58 pm
    Walt knew what he wanted.

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