Where Do Your `American` Clothes Come From? [Pic]

Submitted by: fancylad 7 years ago in Misc

American fail?
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Male 6,693
XD !
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Female 238
"American" and "fail" are pretty much synonymous at this point.
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Male 113
wow... reading some of these comments makes me wonder you you people aren`t defecting down to Cuba? It is the worker`s paradise, right?
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Male 604
It`s not that costs would go up in a normal state of business if manufacturing were not outsourced, costs would go up only because a corporation has a responsibility to increase profit margins for the stockholders. Out of that 42000% markup you pay, 90% of it easy is going straight to profits and bonus checks. It`s not "supply v demand", it`s how much labor can we extort out of unregulated economies vs how much money can we extort out of a consumer for said labor.

The true price of the good, if everyone was paid fairly and "corporation overhead" did not exist, would be about the same as you are paying now, but a lot more people would be sharing the super-massive profits that normally a mere handful monopolise.
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Male 619
I would agree with you Golden1 if the workers were being paid decently for their services.

Currently Faded Glory jeans are all produced in Bangladesh, by women who make less than 2 cents per pair at a rate of about 10 pairs an hour. This is not a living wage. They have to live together and pool their wages to buy food. They live in perpetual hunger and sleep under plastic when it rains. We`re talking about honest to goodness sweatshops.

Their bosses have tried to convince Walmart to pay an extra few cents per pair of jeans in order to meet the demands of the workers, who are currently planning to strike. Walmart has declined to do so.

I`m not a conspiracy theorist. I don`t think it takes men in dark rooms twirling their mustaches and plotting dark schemes for things like this to happen. Anyone is capable of evil. Some people just seem to be really good at it.
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Female 56
Kitte..if you look at ANY company that makes products, it`s outsourced. If it weren`t you`d be paying a heck of a lot more for the shirt you wear on your back. Plus, Walmart pays taxes to the US because its headquarters is here. It`s also one (if not THE) largest employer in the US. That`s giving back right there (ignoring their wages, which are on par with all the other stores around it).
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Male 14,331
The expensive brand names are also made in the 3rd world sooooo I`ll take the cheaper one that dosen`t make me wear an AD for the company please.(I though I was supposed to get paid to do an AD?)
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Female 3,001
well this info is definitely knew to me...never knew that most brands were made in poorer countries so we can have cheep clothes.

(sarcasm implied)
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Female 123
I don`t understand the problem here. You want to pay more for a shirt made in America? People in Pakistan need these shirt making jobs.
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Female 803
Faded Glory is found at WalMart. WalMart is so cheap because they outsource EVERYTHING and give very little back the the US economy. If it wasn`t for the fact that I`m a brokeass college student, I`d never shop there.
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Female 2,509
why is this a surprise?
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Female 114
c`mon, anyone seriously in America would make t-shirts? This is Wal-mart hard at work with their billions of dollars. They understand how America works: Sell cheap ass products made by other countries and hire the unhireable people with no ambition in life, catering to the lowest of the low in our societies. BRILLIANT!! cheap products, cheap labor, and no one smart enough to complain!
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Male 25,416
thats dumb!
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Male 1,244
Wasn`t pel a mod?
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Male 30
@adlinbaby Extremely expensive things... Like guitars.
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Female 12
I didn`t realize this was something to be surprised about...
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Female 404
what the hell is made in america anymore???????
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Female 3,696
I wish I could like Peloos` comment.. :) <3
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Female 2,352
Nothing new our clothes come from all over the f*cking place.
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Male 2,893
@peloos12
Damn, I was about to make all these idiots feel stupid.
You did spectacularly.
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Male 669
meh, i wouldnt make a big deal about it.
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Male 3,819
Stupid. The front of the shirt isn`t claiming to be made in America. It`s a vintage style advertisement for a drug store -- a concept you can find on tons of shirts these days. Sort of ironic, sure, but don`t take it so literally.
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Male 476
lol
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Male 5,189
Meh.
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Male 10,855
@kinjomusashi

The shirt claims to be an American product when it was actually made in Pakistan.
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Male 914
i don`t get it...so when did pakistan stop being part of the US?
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Male 10,855
I`m really not advocating anything Angilion. I`m simply showing the apathy corporations show to their workforce. Do you think corporations really care about their workers` cost/standard of living? I read an article about a American owned factory in China which shows how much the owners don`t care about the cost/standard of living they also don`t care about the conditions they work in, so long as the execs make money.
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Male 12,365
[quote]Because China or India don`t have minimum wage laws, corporations like to move their factories there so they can maximize their profit.[/quote]

Minimum wage laws have nothing to do with it. Cost of living is the issue, unless you are actually advocating mass slaughter of your own population. Which I doubt.

China is on the beginning of the slope now - everything has gone up dramatically in price over the last 20 years, even with an extremely authoritarian government trying to control it and more than willing to use force to do so. It looks like China will have even less time as the dominant power than the USA is having.
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Male 84
Americans pay some pakistani slave wages to make that shirt.. its called globalism and in this day and age it is the american way.
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Male 3,646
Every country starts in textiles and moves onto industry. Prime example, Japan. The US took a risk in investing in Japan. We got cheap clothing from there, and now 70 years or so later we get cheap electronics. It`s called developing a country,
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Male 602
Like I said Sim, it is an arbitrary statement. Even your homeless person example is doing better than someone in Ethiopia who is waiting on their cup of rice from the UN food truck, and hoping that they get there before the warlords do.

If you are working for $3/hr, or even $5 for that matter, you are letting people rape you. Your example equates to twice the hours for half the pay. Any American company that is trying to get away with that should be taken to court in a heartbeat.

And if this is your personal example, you and your chaos star need better employment and should send me an e-mail with your qualifications.
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Male 236
I am a racist!
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Male 2,229
a prime example of corporate warfare on the working people

Suppress and degrade your (United States) standard of living so that your labour (the work you do regardless of profession) is put into "surplus" and may cheaper. Thus it lower corporate labour costs when hiring person to employ with expectation that the `work force` will "do more with less". At the same time the cost savings go to profits with go to those that OWN what ever they can by. Regardless of wither its legal or not, if not make it legal. There is to many examples of the rampant corruption the the United States to list them all. But as of right now Big Money owns the US government and is run the show like a three ring circus.
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Female 654
i did just read something though. cagel, i dont think that where he was going with that. im looking at it like a fry cook at mickey`s gets min wage because its an entry job. yea, you dont have to be lazy to have it, you could be a hard working kid, but we all had THAT job, the one that only got us through until we could get the better job by whatever means. i can see paying people by their worth in that sense. and yes i think they should get roughly 7 bucks an hour,again because its only an entry job.
now if you apply for as job thats both entry but kinda important, ex. pharmacy tech. that takes adaptation, skill, and a high level of responsibility, because you can get people killed, at mickeys its just a bad burger. either argument is valid for discussion, its intresting.
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Female 654
that is walmart.
im dont see why the shirt being made in pakistan is a big deal..and i mean that as in they made a shirt that happened to say some form of the word america on it..not foriegners sweating thier balls off for less than min wage making it. i dont know anything about that sadly..im just a drug pusher..lol
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Male 10,855
Strictly speaking Angilion I`m not saying it`s good for demand. Because China or India don`t have minimum wage laws, corporations like to move their factories there so they can maximize their profit. Granted companies that don`t give enough so their employees can actually survive SHOULD go out of business, but they don`t. Instead they move their manufacturing someone where else so they can give less than what people need to survive while higher ups become filthy rich.
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Female 9,572
Must be from WalMart.
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Male 1,237
oh what a massive drating scoop, well done
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Male 12,365
[quote]If the minimum wage is reduced, the cost of necessities will go down as well. Manufacturers and retailers charge what the market can bear. If large numbers of people are working for less than the current minimum wage, the market can only bear lower prices, so retailers will have to lower their prices if they want to move their stock.[/quote]

Lovely theory if you have no connection to reality, but what do you think will really happen when millions of people have less money than they need for basic necessities such as shelter and food? They`re not going to die waiting for prices to come down. Are you going to kill them?
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Female 1,427
**$800 for 34 hours a week right now would be a godsend.
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Female 1,427
"As far as a fry cook deserving a `livable wage` that is a very arbitrary statement. 7.25 at part time (34 hrs/wk) is roughly $250/wk income before taxes. That makes your total income roughly $1000/mo before taxes, which would bring it down to roughly $750-$800 depending on what state you live in, and what you claim on your W-2.

That`s not living, that`s barely surviving."

Barely surviving is working 30 hours a week doing a combination of manual labor for 5 USD an hour under the table plus a 30 hrs./week freelance service technician spot normally outsourced to India for 3 USD an hour because the economy`s so bad you can`t find a normal minimum wage-paying job as a fry cook.

And even then, that`s not barely surviving. Barely surviving would be making nothing while attempting to find a job which you cannot because you are homeless and do not have a valid address so you resort to under-the-table payment.

$800 for 34 hours a week right now woul
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Male 1,184
Thank you for having a brain, Dolomyte.
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Male 102
The concept of capitalism is to make an item as cheap as you can and sell it for as much as you can. So a consumer is paying a premium price for an inferior product. That is different than a free market where the value of an item is determined by supply and demand only. I hate when these are confused.

I am against capitalism but for a free market.
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Male 602
Cagel the cost of living in China is so low again because of the value of their currency. It`s all fake numbers, that`s the beauty of communism.

In Shanghai, an apartment will still cost you 4-600 USD a month. That`s not so much lower than in America, however Shanghai is one of the most expensive places to live in China. Fast food is generally cheaper in China, but you can still find places where you are spending 50 dollars for a bowl of soup, just like you can in America.

As far as a fry cook deserving a `livable wage` that is a very arbitrary statement. 7.25 at part time (34 hrs/wk) is roughly $250/wk income before taxes. That makes your total income roughly $1000/mo before taxes, which would bring it down to roughly $750-$800 depending on what state you live in, and what you claim on your W-2.

That`s not living, that`s barely surviving.
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Male 2,591
@auburnjunky: Thats why nobody likes you.
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Female 275
The low cost of Chinese goods is related to the fact that the cost of living is so low. Chew on that a bit.

A fry cook at McDonalds deserves a living wage just as much as anybody else. I find the weird social darwinist elitist assumption that people who do the unwanted jobs do so because they`re lazy bad people and thus don`t deserve a livable wage.

But I`m sure that because I`m some kind of pinko socialist bleeding heart you`ll ignore my suggestion that everybody, even if they`re lazy, deserves a living wage. I guess those kindergarten lessons on sharing don`t extend to grown-up economics.
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Male 10,338
LOL I am amused by everyone`s lack of knowledge when it comes to economics.

Also, I was joking when I said people at wal mart make $45 an hour.

Wal Mart us non union, so they can pay people for the jobs they do.

A greeter at Wal Mart isn`t worth the minimum wage they make. People should be paid for the job they do. Not what the government says they should be paid.

Is a fry cook at McDonalds worth $7.25?
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Male 602
@greenbatman

Lowering wages is not going to lower prices. Just because people are making less does not mean the cost of goods will go down. The reason that retailers use so much overseas labor is to keep their costs low. A place like wal-mart is already getting the lowest possible cost for t-shirts and jeans. Lowering wages in America isn`t going to change that.

The reason why it is so efficient to get things from China is that they do not allow their currency to represent its actual value. If they had a fair economy, it would not be nearly as effective to receive goods from them, because the Yuan would actually be competitive to the USD or EURO, instead of worth .14 cents.
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Male 4,807
This reminded of me of the last winter Olympics in Vancouver. They were selling the Roots brand of mittens, scarfs and toques etc. and the sign said "support Canada".
I look way deep inside of the mittens to find where they were made and it said "Made in China". So with all the shoppers around me, clamoring for this stuff.
I get pissy and say loudy, "How Can it say to support Canada and be made in China?"
My wife tells me to "Shut the hell up, they are only $8.99 a pair"
I`m making an embarrassing scene by now and loudly state "This ain`t Supporting [email protected]#ing Canada!"
I thin proceed to the pots and pans section off the store to purchase a fry pan, "made in Taiwan" for an amazingly cheap price.

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Male 170
Just to jump in on the debate, I am all for a company taking care of its employees, you would think anyone would have the decency to do that. Unfortunately companies, especially companies like Wal*Mart (side note my grandma worked for walmart at their first store and they treated her poorly even back then) don`t take care of their employees. Things like this make unions a requirement for fair employment. I am a former union member and will be anti union when they are no longer needed (take care of your peeps, they make money for you) (I am also a capitalist :) ) Manufacturing would be done elsewhere because if minimum wage in the "rich" countries were to be lowered significantly (if you consider rich being 13.5 trillion in debt due to our second Vietnam), that would cause min wage to go down around the world and wah-lah, it`s still cheaper to make stuff over seas. It`s not a question of giving or taking American jobs, it`s capitalism hard at work.
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Male 85
@auburnjunky, what walmart do you live by where minimum wage is $45.00 an hour? I think I want to work there and i`d be happy to commute from a poorer county. lol
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Female 527
I went to a store called "amercian eagle outfitters" and all the clothes were made foreign.
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Male 39,902
I favor trade terrifs to make us goods competative. other nations do it and that`s why they have jobs in europe, but not here
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Female 728
@Angillon: If the minimum wage is reduced, the cost of necessities will go down as well. Manufacturers and retailers charge what the market can bear. If large numbers of people are working for less than the current minimum wage, the market can only bear lower prices, so retailers will have to lower their prices if they want to move their stock.
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Male 2,441
Well said Angilion
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Male 12,365
[quote]As soon as Congress reduces the minimum wage, we might start getting more jobs over here.[/quote]

Why?

I`m serious. Tell me how forcing many people in the USA to work for less money than they need to survive will result in more jobs in the USA.

More jobs in the police maybe, dealing with the resulting increase in crime.

If you`re after killing a lot of poor people in the USA, your policies make sense.
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Female 1,435
Nothing new here. Even those chavvy Ugg boots are made in China NOT Australia.
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Male 185
Thank you, Angilion. You are correct, but there is also the bit about how our corporations are currently running very profitably, but simply do not care to invest their money into strengthening our consumer class. I will also add that I am glad that shirt was not made in Iran.
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Male 10,855
@auburnjunky

As soon as Congress reduces the minimum wage, we might start getting more jobs over here.
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Male 1,547
its a global market, stop complaining.
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Male 307
eh... Can say Pakistan make great stainless steal cutlery.
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Male 292
I dont wear generic three color silk screened shirts. Secondly,
I dont like vanity and lastly that style is weak sauce man, weak sauce.
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Male 12,365
It`s an inevitable result of large differences in wealth in different parts of the world. We get the same here in the UK, although it`s almost always "Made in China". I`ve no doubt that it`s the same in any rich country.

Auburnjunky might be rich enough to be detached enough from reality to think that people in the USA are demanding $45/hour to work at Walmart, but the reality is that people firstly want enough to be able to live and secondly enough to live the lifestyle they are conditioned to want. In rich countries, due to raging inflation that results primarily from those with money wanting much more of it, the cost of living is so much higher than it is in poor countries that it`s more profitable to make stuff in poor countries and transport it to rich countries.

Despite the delusions of Auburnjunky et alia, it is not possible to have most people in the USA working for $1 per hour. i.e. competitive with elsewhere.
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Male 5,314
nothing we didn`t already know
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Male 1,834
very nice
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Male 542
Still bored
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Female 1,798
@ auburnjunky:

as soon as the CEOs and heads of these corporations stop being greedy bastards, then we might start getting more jobs over here. they outsource because it`s cheaper for them and helps to line their pockets. welcome to the wonderful world of a global economy and a capitalist market.
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Male 10,338
As soon as Americans stop joining unions that ask for 45 bucks an hour to be a greeter at Wal Mart, we might start getting jobs back over here.
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Male 1,931
And people wonder why we`re in a poor economy. We have virtually no major exports.
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Male 91
@NoArms5534 : Wow, nice!
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Male 3,619
oh snap
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Female 26
Who didn`t see that coming?
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Male 2,332
What can you say. It`s how economics works :)
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Male 2,796
Suporting terrorism one shirt at a time. (Joking, please don`t start a debate with me.)
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Male 696
Faded Glory... is Wal-marts brand?
What would you expect.
They probably pay Pakistani children 3 shiny buttons a day to make these shirts.
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Male 1,341
As long as the idea came from America...

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Male 4,431
Colonialism.
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Male 196
The logo on the front does not say "Made in America." It is just one of those old-looking prints. But yes, I guess you can count anything a fail if you`re an idiot.
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Male 20,905
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