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119 Responses to Texas High School Kicks Cheerleader Off Squad

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    fancylad Male 30-39
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    October 25, 2010 at 4:47 pm
    Link: Texas High School Kicks Cheerleader Off Squad - For refusing to cheer for the guy that raped her. Go Texas! Your thoughts, I-A-B?
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    ForSquirel Male 30-39
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    October 25, 2010 at 4:57 pm
    are you kidding me? this is totally effed up. What can you say though, schools will do whatever it can to keep athletics alive.
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    pui Female 18-29
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    October 25, 2010 at 4:57 pm
    WOW that`s messed up.
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    zoltrix_the Male 18-29
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    October 25, 2010 at 4:59 pm
    Why the drat is he even in the team? Shouldn`t he be in jail or something? What a shame.
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    maputo Male 40-49
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    October 25, 2010 at 5:00 pm
    And people wonder why I don`t like sports "heroes".
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    Slmmhmmr161 Male 18-29
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    October 25, 2010 at 5:07 pm
    So quit cheerleading?
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    scotchbot Female 18-29
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    October 25, 2010 at 5:07 pm
    this is absolutely unbelievable.
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    goaliejerry Male 30-39
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    October 25, 2010 at 5:08 pm
    Want to know what is weird?

    Morally - she`s right.

    Legally - there is no "right" to participate on the Cheerleading squad.

    And frankly, who the f*ck wants to cheer with a group of people who would kick you off the squad for this?

    BTW - always read between the lines - her "rapist" WAS NOT CONVICTED OF RAPE.

    I don`t think you are a "rapist" until you, you know, rape. And the article blithly dismisses his plea to assualt as just bargaining down. NOBODY bargains down actual rape charges if the evidence exists. No prosecutor in America pleads down actual rape charges.

    It is quite clear from these snippets that you ONLY have her side of the story.
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    Arianea Female 18-29
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    October 25, 2010 at 5:11 pm
    that just isnt right
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    goaliejerry Male 30-39
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    October 25, 2010 at 5:12 pm
    Be skeptical people....NOBODY PLEADS DOWN RAPE TO ASSAULT unless there was no rape.
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    Altaru Male 18-29
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    October 25, 2010 at 5:12 pm
    The comments on the page bring up the point that, apparently, the current story about her is that she was drunk and used the whole "scream rape" method to get out of getting in trouble for getting involved in a drunken sex-scandal.

    I don`t know enough here, especially considering what goaliejerry says about the plea.

    However, getting kicked off the squad for not cheering for someone who may have raped her? THAT`S bullsh*t no matter which way you look at it.
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    goaliejerry Male 30-39
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    October 25, 2010 at 5:17 pm
    The site that published the original "article" is clearly biased.
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    goaliejerry Male 30-39
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    October 25, 2010 at 5:25 pm
    Cheerleading squads don`t select fat chicks, or those who can`t dance. There is no right to be a cheerleader. Selection and membership are completely arbitrary and by whim. (Welcome to the reality of social clubs).

    Now how did I know there were probably allegations of false rape charges involved?
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    ian123488 Male 13-17
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    October 25, 2010 at 5:27 pm
    @goaliejerry
    Please go troll somewhere else
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    mcssls Female 70 & Over
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    October 25, 2010 at 5:40 pm
    That`s sports in America, coddle and praise the player no matter what they are guilty of at the sake of the victem or victems. Who knows, maybe he`ll go pro and make Texas proud. Pro sports is nothing but and over paid under utilized source of manual labor. Just think how good some of those big boys would be at digging a ditch. Course they`d take a lotta work to teach them how a shovel works.
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    SPrinkZ Male 18-29
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    October 25, 2010 at 5:42 pm
    "Cheerleading squads don`t select fat chicks, or those who can`t dance. There is no right to be a cheerleader. Selection and membership are completely arbitrary and by whim. (Welcome to the reality of social clubs).

    Now how did I know there were probably allegations of false rape charges involved?"

    I`ve seen cheerleaders fatter and uglier than our linemen.
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    SPrinkZ Male 18-29
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    October 25, 2010 at 5:44 pm
    "Be skeptical people....NOBODY PLEADS DOWN RAPE TO ASSAULT unless there was no rape.`

    Bull poo. Total bull poo. You don`t grasp how the judicial system works, do you?

    If he was convicted why is he even allowed near her? Why? If it was your daughter, your girl-friend, etc., would you be chummy with this guy eh?

    Just shut up misogynist. The best part of you rolled down your mother`s leg.
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    D3rAnG3d Male 18-29
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    October 25, 2010 at 5:44 pm
    T-E-X-A-S. Go Texas! Go!
    Texas... where parents force little girls to do pageants.
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    madest Male 40-49
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    October 25, 2010 at 5:50 pm
    Mr. Bain,
    Hope this e-mail catches you at an inopportune time.
    Karma has a habit of biting back. Like this swamp of e-mail you`re drowning in. All initiated by your own heartless actions. The problem with your type of egregious, inbred behavior is that people surrounding your boneheadedness suffer karmas wrath. A giant world of disaster is headed your way. Your daughters could be gangraped by HIV infected illegal aliens who will never see justice. Your inbred state will force your brats to give birth to their attackers twin babies. Sadly these cute little hermaphrodites will be stricken with MS and need a lifetime of care. Shame you`re against Obamacare.
    Your basketball team is about to fail. The rednecks that care about such nonsense will scratch their crotches and think to their inbred selves that this wasn`t necessary... The person responsible for this mess should be replaced. That`s you. Goodbye dickhead! I wish you nothing but a lifetime of misery.
    madest
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    MildCorma Male 18-29
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    October 25, 2010 at 6:02 pm
    @goaliejerry

    The only reason people get off rape charges now is if there is a lack of evidence to convict. It`s not a case of his word vs hers, it`s a case of how much evidence they can collect. If he pleaded down to rape it`s because either:

    1. He is a first time offender
    2. They got some evidence (bruising, biting etc) but no seminal evidence
    3. Both

    Just because she is a cheerleader dosn`t mean having 3 people try and do naughty things to her isn`t rape. The minute she is uncomfortable and says "stop" and they don`t, then it`s rape or attempted rape.
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    rammo34 Male 18-29
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    October 25, 2010 at 6:02 pm
    F*cking Texas.....i`m so glad i got out of there.
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    Gerry1of1 Male 50-59
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    October 25, 2010 at 6:05 pm
    why would she want to be in the same room with him?

    If I was the parent she`d be in a differant school!
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    MildCorma Male 18-29
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    October 25, 2010 at 6:06 pm
    "why would she want to be in the same room with him?

    If I was the parent she`d be in a differant school!"

    If I was the principal I would have him in a different school, wouldn`t even let him come back to get his poo out the locker.
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    Angelmassb Male 18-29
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    October 25, 2010 at 6:17 pm
    Go America!
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    goaliejerry Male 30-39
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    October 25, 2010 at 6:20 pm
    "You don`t grasp how the judicial system works, do you?"

    Hehe, no, not at all.

    Look, did you read the very first thing I wrote? Or just pounce on the things that don`t conform to your preconcieved worldview?

    Had you read it, you`d know that she was morally right - regardless of inflamatorily refering to the guy as a rapist - but she was legally wrong in sueing the squad on first amendment grounds.

    No first amendment infringement occured. She is talking about it publically. Cheerleading is not a public forum.
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    elhowell Male 18-29
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    October 25, 2010 at 6:23 pm
    SuperIntendent who ordered [email protected]
    School Principal - [email protected]

    The e-mails are posted in the article. If you`re unhappy, please don`t complain like a bitch. Write them an e-mail.
    I e-mailed them asking if it was true. I think she should be reinstated, legally i don`t think she should have to shout anyone`s name for any reason. She should be able to cheer for the school and the team (teamwork?) rather than any individual.

    Go do something IAB.
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    SPARTAKITTY Female 18-29
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    October 25, 2010 at 6:27 pm
    Gah, I hate Texas. My grandfather and his wife used to live their, and within a week they were spouting racist nonsense and other horrible things.
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    SmilinSam Female 18-29
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    October 25, 2010 at 6:28 pm
    aww.. i wanted to play the rape game. :-(
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    goaliejerry Male 30-39
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    October 25, 2010 at 6:32 pm
    "The only reason people get off rape charges now is if there is a lack of evidence to convict."

    Yes, exactly. Look, I used to be idealistic as a child too. Then I grew up and saw someone`s teenage years destroyed by unsubstantiated charges of rape.

    Do you remember the Duke Lacrosse rape scandal? That prosecutor was disbarred due to his over-reaction towards false claims of rape.

    See, its not a matter of misogyny - people around here might recognize my liberal leanings - but I return to my salient point - no prosecutor willingly pleads down a rape charge if there is sufficient evidence of rape. THERE WASN`T.

    As to cheerleaders - why do people have to "try out" if there is a right to be a cheerleader? Counter-example - could a cheerleader join the team and choose to wear political slogans on her shirt instead of a uniform?

    Her free speech was not infringed. The world knows what she is saying.
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    goaliejerry Male 30-39
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    October 25, 2010 at 6:38 pm
    "I`ve seen cheerleaders fatter and uglier than our linemen."

    My only point was to stress there is simply no right to be a cheerleader. And again, why would you want to be associated with such a cold-hearted squad?

    She should have sought a protective order, kept him from coming near her, that would have stopped him from coming to games.
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    goaliejerry Male 30-39
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    October 25, 2010 at 6:53 pm
    Just be thankful we live in a country where it takes more than "he-said-she-said" to convict a person of rape.

    Actual rape is a personal invasion of the most egregious order.

    False charges of rape can stigmatize a person for the rest of his or her life.

    Which is more offensive to justice? (Probably actual rape). But that is the balance that Courts must struggle with - the risk of setting rapists free compared to the danger and very real chance that a vindictive person is playing the rape card in a sick power-play.

    Fake charges happen, its been proven, people automatically sympathize with a victim, and the unscrupulous know this, and will use it to settle personal vendettas.

    The young man was NOT convicted of rape. And believe me, no prosecutor settles with a rapist when the evidence is there.

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    beccab86 Female 18-29
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    October 25, 2010 at 6:57 pm
    Doesn`t appear as if she got a lot of support from her fellow cheerleaders either or they all would`ve been yelling "RAPIST" instead of "RAKHEEM" while he was at the free throw line.
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    Concetra Male 18-29
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    October 25, 2010 at 6:59 pm
    I hope he goes to prison someday. He`ll be playing center for the entire prison population.
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    _kiersten_ Female 18-29
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    October 25, 2010 at 7:08 pm
    This is just sick and wrong. Seriously. I can`t believe this sh*t.
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    the_windy Female 18-29
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    October 25, 2010 at 7:21 pm
    I`m confused about this school`s rules and ethics.
    When I was in high school, if you committed ANY crime, you were KICKED OFF any sport teams or clubs. Is this just my school? Why aren`t all schools like this?
    When you are on a team you are seen as a leader and role model, and people like this should not be looked up to.
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    GuardinGnome Male 18-29
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    October 25, 2010 at 7:27 pm
    Football players are basically raping each other every day so is it safe to say that he didn`t know the difference?
    He just could have wanted to play some football with her.
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    Cajun247 Male 18-29
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    October 25, 2010 at 7:38 pm
    saw this in the comment section of the website:
    Why is he even on the team if he assaulted her? Most teams make you have good grades and good behavior to be on a team.
    This guy has obviously never read Friday Night Lights.
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    Davek1013 Male 18-29
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    October 25, 2010 at 7:41 pm
    I get the feeling that there is more to the story..There are just too many unanswered
    questions:

    Why no restraining order against the rapist?? the incident would never have happened.
    Why would this kid get off scott free?
    Why would he even be allowed to attend the same school?
    I can understand the schools decision to let him play, but they had to be aware they would both be there, why didn`t they arrange to prevent this??

    I`m guessing he wasn`t really charged with statutory rape. Probably some lesser charge that prevented the school from taking any action against him. That or They are all Texas hicks who care more about their all star rapist player. some of them sure are lol
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    Cajun247 Male 18-29
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    October 25, 2010 at 7:43 pm
    @madest

    Careful my friend I hope your rant against Mr. Bain doesn`t incur the wrath of Karma either.
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    Davek1013 Male 18-29
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    October 25, 2010 at 7:59 pm
    @Cajun247
    Yeah, most schools have these rules, but there is no standard. Hell, when I played football as a freshmen, one team we went up against had a player who would have been a junior or senior. He was essentially a dropout. He would attend class and do his homework for the football season, then stop going for the rest of the year. He was cleared to play by the league, so yeah, the system works :-P
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    ROK9 Male 18-29
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    October 25, 2010 at 8:08 pm
    goooooo texas
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    xxEmo_kid_xx Female 18-29
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    October 25, 2010 at 8:18 pm
    this is soooooo effing messed up!!
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    falloutchik Female 18-29
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    October 25, 2010 at 8:20 pm
    i left a message to admin....held my tongue on true thoughts, wishing i hadn`t now, i mean if it`s ok to kick off a cheerleader for not screaming and cheering for the piece of filth and his friends who deserve nothing short of slow excruciating castration, why shouldn`t i let the administration responsible know that they should be dry _____ over and over again in their _____ by a donkey?
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    Cajun247 Male 18-29
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    October 25, 2010 at 8:21 pm
    You should know Davek.
    I didn`t enjoy that novel (or the Movie). If anything it showed such a sad devotion to a single sport when there is a world of possibilities out there other than just sports.
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    auburnjunky Male 30-39
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    October 25, 2010 at 8:31 pm
    "Bolton ended up getting off without serving any jail time by pleading guilty to a lesser assault charge, spending two years on probation, doing community service, paying a fine, and attending anger management courses."

    He apparently didn`t rape her.

    So what`s the problem here?
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    auburnjunky Male 30-39
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    October 25, 2010 at 8:33 pm
    "If I was the principal I would have him in a different school, wouldn`t even let him come back to get his poo out the locker."

    But he didn`t rape her, and he paid the debt for what he apparently did do.

    What the hell is up with all this "She said rape so it must be rape" bullcrap?
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    1gr8slice Male 40-49
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    October 25, 2010 at 8:34 pm
    Texas needs to go away...nothing good ever happens, or lives, there.
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    nastyn800 Male 18-29
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    October 25, 2010 at 8:35 pm
    Tuck Fexas
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    auburnjunky Male 30-39
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    October 25, 2010 at 8:36 pm
    "nothing good ever happens, or lives, there."

    The Cowboys lose there. That`s something wonderful!
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    inaria Female 18-29
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    October 25, 2010 at 8:43 pm
    I reserve judgement on whether or not she was raped since I don`t know the whole story. Regardless, I don`t see why she had to be kicked off the squad for not yelling his name during penalty shots. She could just yell "go team" or whatever. She was probably giving the cheerleading coach a harder time about all this than the article made it look.

    You`d think that after the court decided he wasn`t guilty of rape, and after realizing the school wasn`t going to penalize him at all, her parents would move her to another school. I mean, wouldn`t you want to leave the school where your "rapist" was just getting off scot-free? Meh, it just seems a little weird...
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    Angilion Male 40-49
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    October 25, 2010 at 9:02 pm
    I don`t know what happened. Maybe he attacked her. Maybe she attacked him. The conviction doesn`t really tell me anything either way. It might be that he raped her and the prosecution settled for a lesser charge because they knew they couldn`t prove it. It might be that he did nothing wrong, she`s attacking him and he settled for a lesser conviction because he knew that most people would convict him solely because he`s a man (see the posts in this thread, for example, and the thread description, etc, etc) and so he didn`t want to risk a trial.

    I know two things - one of them is lying and I don`t make judgements on who`s lying and who`s telling the truth solely on the basis of the sexes of the people involved.

    But I`m surprised they let him play with any criminal conviction.
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    zfolwick Male 18-29
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    October 25, 2010 at 9:03 pm
    @auburnjunky: "What the hell is up with all this "She said rape so it must be rape" bullcrap?"

    he pled guilty. That`s what`s up.
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    auburnjunky Male 30-39
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    October 25, 2010 at 9:05 pm
    "he pled guilty. That`s what`s up."

    Not for a rape charge genius.
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    Moosh Female 18-29
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    October 25, 2010 at 9:09 pm
    auburnjunky--yes but he assaulted her. That is legally acknowledged.

    If she waited to report it and the physical evidence was lost or not there to begin with and his two alleged accomplices didn`t corroborate her story (or any other credible witnesses) there would be no way he`d be charged. It gets difficult to prove rape without physical evidence which usually is the first thing the victim wants to rid themselves of, before they even call 911.

    No one knows if she was raped or not except her and her alleged rapist(s). I still think refusing to yell one name that probably no one would have noticed is a stupid reason to kick someone off of a school team.

    If I were her and I was raped, I would probably eventually disarticulate at least one of his limbs if I had to remain in the same school as him.
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    Feuyaer Male 18-29
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    October 25, 2010 at 9:10 pm
    I just emailed the school principle and called him and his staff "inhuman".

    :)
    seems like a good start.
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    Maelstrom_x Male 18-29
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    October 25, 2010 at 9:17 pm
    Gimme an "R", gimme an "A", gimme a "P"...
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    CrakrJak Male 40-49
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    October 25, 2010 at 9:26 pm
    I have to say, That`s a total douche move by the school leadership.
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    auburnjunky Male 30-39
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    October 25, 2010 at 9:27 pm
    @moosh:

    I`m not saying she wasn`t right by refusing to yell his name.

    I AM saying the coach of the team is right by kicking her out for not following orders.

    That would be like someone in marching band refusing to do the formations, or a quarterback for the football team taking the snap and kneeling every play.

    They are going to get kicked off the team.
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    auburnjunky Male 30-39
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    October 25, 2010 at 9:32 pm
    She decided she didn`t want to be a part of the squad anymore. That`s what this boils down to.

    She refused to participate like the rest, so she got kicked off the team.

    She has the right to choose whether or not she yells his name at the pep rally, and the school has the right to kick her off the team for any reason they see fit.

    I like how some people like to stand up for their rights, but don`t want the consequences.

    Also, if this was rape, the prosecutor would NEVER have given a lesser charge for a guilty plea. She probably smacked him, and he dotted her eye. Him being male, that = assault.

    NOW I`m not saying he was right in assaulting her. He was dead wrong. You never hit a woman, period.
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    OldOllie Male 60-69
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    October 25, 2010 at 9:36 pm
    Gone are the good old days when her dad and brothers and uncles would put the rapist in a nursing home.
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    auburnjunky Male 30-39
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    October 25, 2010 at 9:37 pm
    @oldollie:

    Proper justice.
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    Cartunze Male 60-69
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    October 25, 2010 at 9:38 pm
    I never hear any good stories about Texas.
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    Earlyman Male 30-39
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    October 25, 2010 at 9:57 pm
    Rules are rules, consequences are consequences, and free speech isn`t all that free, but how about a little f@#$*ng compassion and understanding. Or would that be too much to ask Texas??
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    handys003 Male 50-59
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    October 25, 2010 at 10:01 pm
    Dumbass High school faculty. A true blood Native Texan would have hauled the MF`r out in the middle of the night. Then hung the MF`r and then burned down the house for good measure. All these freaking Yankees and idiots from outside of the state. Has for the past 30 years coming in have ruined it. Makes me so sick I just puke thinking about it. Texas can burn now as it sucks there. I had to leave it`s so rotten.
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    davymid Male 30-39
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    October 25, 2010 at 10:24 pm
    Handys: "A true blood Native Texan would have hauled the MF`r out in the middle of the night. Then hung the MF`r and then burned down the house for good measure. All these freaking Yankees and idiots from outside of the state. Has for the past 30 years coming in have ruined it. Makes me so sick I just puke thinking about it. Texas can burn now as it sucks there. I had to leave it`s so rotten."
    Ollie: "Gone are the good old days when her dad and brothers and uncles would put the rapist in a nursing home."
    Ah yes, what ever happened to the good old days of lynchings, house-burning and gang-beating people into a permanent vegetative state, law courts be damned? THOSE were the days, back when Texas was Texas! YEEEEE-har!
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    rakoonhat Female 30-39
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    October 25, 2010 at 10:33 pm
    stop. stop and set your emotions aside. look at it from both sides logicly.
    she is a cheerleader, it is her "job" to cheer people..its in the name. i can see why she would be kicked off. shes not doing her job.
    now the fact that he raped her, thats a giant flag. thats the problem here, not her lack of cheering. if you are going to have a cow. freak out over the fact that he was even there to make a shot, instead of in a jail cell. thats the part i question. now i have sympathy for her of course, i wouldnt do it either, but you cant bitch when you get kicked off. hes on the team, you have to cheer for him just like everyone else.
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    rakoonhat Female 30-39
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    October 25, 2010 at 10:36 pm
    also, how unprofessional was that article? Good articles are never slummed down with one sided opinions, and hate...thats like the fifth one ive read this year. Our education is really going to hell quickly if we cant write a paper without busting a nut
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    PoopNoodle Male 40-49
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    October 25, 2010 at 10:45 pm
    I would be interested to know why the prosecutor allowed him to plea out. Maybe there wasn`t enough evidence. Or maybe, just maybe, he didn`t rape her...
    I get so sick of sensational "journalism" like this convicting people of crimes.
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    Kalimata Male 30-39
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    October 25, 2010 at 10:49 pm
    I hear what you`re saying Rakoonhat, but there`s a problem. You can`t really dismiss emotion from the incident. That dude shouldn`t have been let back into the same school. That fact aside, The school was incredibly insensitive. Besides, who`s really going to notice one cheerleader not saying one name?
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    auburnjunky Male 30-39
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    October 25, 2010 at 11:01 pm
    a-freaking-men poopnoodle.
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    Cajun247 Male 18-29
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    October 25, 2010 at 11:12 pm
    I agree with PoopNoodle on this one everything about this story seems so fishy.
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    handys003 Male 50-59
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    October 25, 2010 at 11:45 pm
    @davymid
    That`s right as as 1/4 Comanche I would have cut him up just out of spite.
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    handys003 Male 50-59
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    October 25, 2010 at 11:48 pm
    @davymid
    Oh yeah speaking of which my cousins in southeast Texas where the incident occurred called the Karankawas would have ate him for dinner. Have a nice day with the barbarians.
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    BrimstoneOne Male 30-39
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    October 26, 2010 at 3:42 am
    the info for this article seem to be third hand (ie. same level as rumour), but also there seems to be a level of administration dabbling in proper procedure, to get a game win. One that isn`t even all that important, considering its HIGH SCHOOL.
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    Toider Male 18-29
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    October 26, 2010 at 3:48 am
    "Or maybe, just maybe, he didn`t rape her... "

    Yeah, I didn`t want to say it either. While I was in college false rape allegations were so prevalent that it became almost procedural to doubt the victim unless there was physical injury to prove it.
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    thubanstar Female 50-59
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    October 26, 2010 at 3:55 am
    rakoonhat

    So, I should be ok with working with someone who raped me? I think there`s "your job" and then there`s too damn far beyond the call of duty.
    What also strikes me is ALL the girl is asking is to not shout out his name, she still has to see him at every game and probably in the hallways of her school. Small thing she`s asking for such a horrible thing to deal with.
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    RobSwindol Male 30-39
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    October 26, 2010 at 3:59 am
    Every red neck Texan believes that they have freedom of speech no matter what.
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    avalon Male 18-29
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    October 26, 2010 at 6:19 am
    Most of the time it is a shame that I have to say I am from Texas...jeez. Terrible, terrible story indeed.
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    Fuego Male 40-49
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    October 26, 2010 at 6:49 am
    some background
    teens arrested

    mother of teen party host arrested for giving alcohol

    charges dropped

    civil suit filed

    There are more stories. A full list, including the stories above, can be found at source
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    dang007 Male 30-39
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    October 26, 2010 at 7:10 am
    Which is why we need to get all the athletics out of our schools.
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    pmarren Male 40-49
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    October 26, 2010 at 7:16 am
    Texas - The new Florida.
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    SPrinkZ Male 18-29
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    October 26, 2010 at 7:33 am
    "Yes, exactly. Look, I used to be idealistic as a child too. Then I grew up and saw someone`s teenage years destroyed by unsubstantiated charges of rape."

    Hey, I`ve been there too, but you know what...in the end I`ve realized that if the people did not sympathize with the `victim` then the women who really get hurt would never be heard. It sucks that a lot of men are getting flak for poo they would never do, and a lot of men who are gentle are getting thrown in places where men aren`t so...gentle.

    Hey, it`s not fair, but if we don`t naturally sympathize with the rape victim then we are doing something wrong. We can`t start off by being skeptical of such a serious claim. We can`t start off by blaming the victim, or asking what she was wearing, or how she was acting, etc.

    We don`t use that defense for stealing: "So, you were wearing a nice suit, it was dark out, and you had lots of cash? You were asking for it Mr. Smith. Admit it!"

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    ruthless1990 Female 18-29
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    October 26, 2010 at 7:40 am
    this is one of the most horrible stories I`v ever read, this genuinely made me upset
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    McGovern1981 Male 30-39
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    October 26, 2010 at 7:43 am
    This is an effect of prioritizing athletics over education. I`ve seen people with weed get harder penalties than what this rapist got.
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    CoffeeDiiva Female 40-49
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    October 26, 2010 at 8:02 am
    That is totally eff`ed up,so bad that it sounds like a lifetime movie. I am glad they left the schools address and such. I hope he gets lots of mail, the jerks,
    McGovern below my post is right people with weed get far more stricter punishments.
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    Quackor Male 18-29
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    October 26, 2010 at 8:09 am
    "In the end, Bolton ended up getting off" lol

    Anyways, its a she said, he said. There is no proof of rape, only assault and he is attending anger management classes, community service, etc. For all we know she is another girl trying to get back at an abusive boyfriend. What in doubt go with the facts:
    He assaulted her
    She ignores her squad

    So, what happens next?
    He is on probation, anger management, etc
    She is being kicked off the squad.

    Seems right to me.
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    SPrinkZ Male 18-29
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    October 26, 2010 at 8:42 am
    Quakor:

    Really man? Say that poo to a girl`s face who claims she was raped. Go ahead. It`s really easy to say that stuff on the internet, but would you really accuse a possible victim? It`s not even worth speculating that she was this or that, or what she is wearing, behaving, etc. If she says stop, no, don`t, etc. Then cease the activity.

    Maybe it went down like this:

    She was drunk, and agreed to something like a threesome, or just one of the guys...then they all take a DRUNK GIRL (come on guys...) to a bathroom (really?) then they all try to have sex with her. She probably sobered up once it REALLY happened, freaked, started panicking and they just kept going about their business--hence why OTHERS were trying to break down the door to get her. Why did they flee? If I was having consensual sex you better bet your ass I`m gonna kill whoever is trying to come in and stop it--not run out the window. So come on, use some common sense.
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    obhwfgirl Female 18-29
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    October 26, 2010 at 8:45 am
    I feel for this girl and I know that the "don`t walk down streets alone at night" isn`t a popular viewpoint, but this is a world where we only have control over our own personal actions. The simple fact is that most rape follows certain patterns -- i.e mixing of aggression, alcohol, and a social setting.

    The simple fact is that this girl isn`t to blame for what happened, but she left herself vulnerable to a crime. It`s like leaving your door unlocked and your stuff getting robbed. It isn`t your fault, but a mature person takes responsibility. And ultimately, it`s empowering to victims to realize they have control in a situation where control was taken away. It`s just a balance of empathy and empowering.

    The core problem society should address is alcohol. It impairs judgement so women get themselves into these situations and men unleash their aggression. Most rape cases are not black and white because alcohol blurs the line of consent.
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    mrbungle Male 30-39
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    October 26, 2010 at 8:47 am
    Quackor....

    Your retarded.
    She`s not ignoring her squad, she`s just not yelling the name of her accused attacker, maybe you should actually read all of the article.

    He plea bargained his crime down to assault, which means there was evidence against him for a higher crime, that`s why you take a plea bargain, so you don`t have to take a higher penalty, or get kicked off the high school sports team.

    Just another story of the local sports team getting away with anything for the sake of a winning record. Then we`re shocked when a dumb-ass jock like Brett Farve gets caught taking pictures of his junk and sending them to women...

    He`s a just another retard who played lots of high school sports, what did you expect?.....
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    HunterKiller Male 18-29
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    October 26, 2010 at 8:49 am
    Quackor, you cannot be serious. If you are, then you`re a moron.
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    u_jesse_u Male 18-29
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    October 26, 2010 at 8:50 am
    Sprinkz really!!???!??!?!! 2 words `Plea Bargain`, your are going to have to admit guilt to get that. So that is out of the question, he did it. As a male, when was the last time that a cheerleader invited you and 2 of your friends for a little "forced role play" action? I`ll bet if 3 guys from the basketball team held you down and raped you, you would feel differently about it, but hey what ever does it for you. I vote manual castration!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!! I really hope this girls dad goes off or something, I would have at least 3 counts of murder against me if I was him, at least 3. You don`t make my family suffer, that includes the rapists and the advocates.
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    Monosandalos Male 30-39
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    October 26, 2010 at 8:55 am
    That`s what happens when lawyers get involved in matters that otherwise seem open and shut.
    I bet the main reason the parents` case was lost was because it was on the grounds of freedom of speech rather than personal grievance.
    This whole situation just makes me sad.
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    I-IS-BORED Male 18-29
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    October 26, 2010 at 9:01 am
    @Quackor
    making the assumption that he ONLY assaulted her would mean his plea bargain went like this
    "Yes. OK, so I`ll plead guilty now and you give me the FULL punishment for my crime. Yes this seems like a very good bargain to me."
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    ruthless1990 Female 18-29
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    October 26, 2010 at 9:19 am
    Quackor I think i may actually hate you.
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    aikiman Male 40-49
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    October 26, 2010 at 9:40 am
    Quackor, you`re a c*nt
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    gorgack2000 Male 13-17
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    October 26, 2010 at 11:37 am
    Good on quackr on not being afraid of voicing his opinion. Even if it is completely wrong.
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    LemonTarte Female 18-29
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    October 26, 2010 at 12:44 pm
    Quackor is obviously trolling. No sane human being would think something like that.
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    Dolomyte Male 18-29
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    October 26, 2010 at 1:10 pm
    OK lots of argument going on here based on speculation. So let me add my 2 cents.

    Silsbee Texas is a pretty small town in south east Texas. When my highschool played them in I don`t even think they had a football program. Also the ratio of African Americans to Caucasian Americans is really low, my highschool had about 15 African Americans total from 9th-12th grade when I graduated. Rakheem sounds like an African American name and Vidor, Texas (The KKK activity central in Texas) is not far from Silsbee. This whole series of events may be racially motivated.
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    Anger Male 18-29
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    October 26, 2010 at 1:13 pm
    said there wasnt enough evidence charges dropped?
    who knows what really happened
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    Fatninja01 Male 30-39
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    October 26, 2010 at 2:00 pm

    Wow, but she put her self in a position where she knew that would eventually be a scenario where as her position as a cheerleader she would have to support the home team, even if one of the players had wronged her! Yes its hard that she would have to give up her cheerleading but its like supporting a politician! you dont like them but you still have to support one! btw this isnt a troll!
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    Angilion Male 40-49
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    October 26, 2010 at 3:26 pm
    Hey, it`s not fair, but if we don`t naturally sympathize with the rape victim then we are doing something wrong. We can`t start off by being skeptical of such a serious claim.

    You are prejudging guilt solely on the basis of a biological characteristic, which is contrary to the most basic tenets of any decent criminal justice system. Even if it is "natural".

    You bring up theft. Not so long ago, it was "natural" in the USA to assume that any "black" person accused of theft (or pretty much anything else) by a "white" person was guilty. Must we start off by assuming that again? I think not.
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    Angilion Male 40-49
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    October 26, 2010 at 3:34 pm
    Sprinkz really!!???!??!?!! 2 words `Plea Bargain`, your are going to have to admit guilt to get that. So that is out of the question, he did it.

    No, it isn`t out of the question.

    Imagine you have this choice:

    1) Go on trial for rape. You will be presumed guilty by most people. Normal people. Like the members of the jury. You might be convicted, you might not. Whether you`re guilty or innocent doesn`t have all that much to do with the verdict. It`s more down to whose lawyer does a better job.

    2) Accept a plea bargain for a far less serious offence that will have little effect.

    Whether you`re innocent or guilty, (2) is a good choice.

    We don`t really know anything about what happened.
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    xavroche Male 30-39
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    October 26, 2010 at 4:23 pm
    I`ve read up on this a little bit, and it seems that the link provided by IAB is extremely skewed and deforms the facts. As far as I can tell, the problems between this young Lady and the School in regards to her refusing to cheer happened before the second case was filed, before the plea bargain, at a time when the case had been dismissed and no charges were filed against the young man. At that time he had been declared innocent, and as such I can understand that the school did not feel comfortable with the young lady continuing to bring up an issue that had been dropped by a court of law.

    The second case and the plea are much more recent and happened after the young man graduated from the school. At no time was the young man considered guilty or had charges pending and attended the school.

    It`s also interesting to note that it seems the plea bargain was mainly accepted by the young man as a way to finally move on with his life...
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    xavroche Male 30-39
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    October 26, 2010 at 4:24 pm
    I don`t know whether or not the rape actually happened. I feel sorry for this girl because it is very likely that something happened that night, probably involving way too much alcohol at too early an age. The fact of the matter is the judicial system initially decided to drop the case, and after it had done so, I don`t blam the school system for what they did. Maybe the judicial system did not do it`s work and initially set a guilty man free, but the school system correctly defended a young man`s rights against defamation at a time when a court of law had declared him innocent of the charges leveled against him. The eventual conviction two years later does not take away from the fact that charges had initially been dropped.
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    NotTHATbored Female 18-29
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    October 26, 2010 at 6:33 pm
    @xavroche I see your point, but there is no way that the school should have allowed him (or her) to participate in any extra curricular activites while the charges were pending. Then when he took the plea bargin for assult he should have been off the team for good( and I think he may have been?). Case closed. Thankfully he will always have an assult charge on his record.

    Oh and you know that he did do SOMETHING,

    "In an interview with KFDM News, Bolton cited regret for the attack and said he was looking forward to a future in college, perhaps at a school where he can re-start his football career"
    Yahoo News
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    NotTHATbored Female 18-29
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    October 26, 2010 at 6:34 pm
    I hope no school takes him. He assalted that girl by dragging her into a room against her will with three other men. Even if he didn`t do anything once he got her in there he is guilty.
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    xavroche Male 30-39
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    October 26, 2010 at 7:29 pm
    As I`ve mentioned I`ve done a bit of research on this and the following is the timeline of events as I see it:

    a)Assault happens (oct 2008)
    b)Teens are arrested and stop attending school while charges are pending (oct 2008)
    c)All charges dropped by Grand Jury for lack of evidence (Jan 2009)
    d)Since all charges have been dropped, young man returns to school, with no charges pending and having been cleared of any wrong doing.(Jan 2009)
    e)Cheerleader refuses to cheer. Notice how at this moment, no charges are pending against young man. Cheerleader is kicked off squad(Winter 2009)
    f)Parents file civil suit which is later dropped(May 2009)
    e)Young man graduates and leaves school (Spring 2009)
    f)Case is reopened, new charges are brought forth, young man pleads guilty and accepts plea bargain (summer/fall 2010)
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    xavroche Male 30-39
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    October 26, 2010 at 7:29 pm

    The thing is, it`s easy to critisize the school in hindsight, given that the case was reopened and the young man eventually accepted a plea and admitted assaulting the girl. However, at the time that the school made the decision, the case had been dropped. The school board isn`t there to seek out justice, that`s the role of the judicial system, and once a decision to drop the charges was made, I can completely understand the school board readmitting the young man and stopping the girl from continuing to accuse him of assaulting her after a grand jury had decided that there was no evidence to the fact. It seems to me that if failure there was it was solely by the judicial system. If there was assault and rape then the case should have never been dropped in the first place.

    It`s also interesting to note that the NAACP questioned the reopening of the case. Why was the case originally dropped and then reopened two years later? I`m not saying that there wasn`t rape, but clearl
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    pyrrhios Male 30-39
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    October 26, 2010 at 10:53 pm
    As stated in the article, it sounds horrible. If the timeline proposed by xavoche is correct however, it`s a bit more complicated, and I don`t have enough information to make conclusions. I think I`m just glad I`m not directly involved in having to sort this one out.
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    NotTHATbored Female 18-29
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    October 27, 2010 at 12:23 am
    @xavroche Where are your sources? I posted mine.

    "The thing is, it`s easy to critisize the school in hindsight, given that the case was reopened and the young man eventually accepted a plea and admitted assaulting the girl. However, at the time that the school made the decision, the case had been dropped."

    Yes, but my point was that he was not taken off the team during the initial investigation or hearings. In my opinion they both should have been banned from extra curriculars during that time, it seems a little negligent to me that they weren`t.

    "It`s also interesting to note that the NAACP questioned the reopening of the case. Why was the case originally dropped and then reopened two years later"

    Why is it strange? Do you think that the NAACP is any different than any other special interest organization? I highly doubt that they even knew anymore than we do about what happened. The fact is those students drug her into a room ag
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    NotTHATbored Female 18-29
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    October 27, 2010 at 12:29 am
    (continued..) against her will. Did they rape her? Maybe not, but I bet they did something to sexuall assult her or maybe they got lucky and didn`t leave any evidence because they were interupted. I read that Bolton came back to the house and threatened to burn it down if he didn`t get clothes he left in the room back. Now that seems interesting to me.

    At any rate, the fact that the school knew that she had (at least) been drug into a room against her will by this boy and his friends should have been enough for them to look the other way when she didn`t shout his name when he made a touch down. That is just ridiculous.
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    almightybob1 Male 18-29
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    October 27, 2010 at 1:33 am
    From this article:

    "Sheffield says because the players and the cheerleader are no more than three years apart in age, state law prevents prosecution for sexual assault if the grand jury cannot determine there was lack of consent."

    So I guess we know why the prosecution had to accept a plea bargain of assault. Consent would be impossible to prove or disprove when everyone involved was drunk, so they were hamstrung by state law. It would come down to he-said-she-said anyway.
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    almightybob1 Male 18-29
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    October 27, 2010 at 2:06 am
    Doublethink:

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    ForAllThSin Male 18-29
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    October 27, 2010 at 9:48 am
    hey bob, they probably thought the moveon.org shim was a guy at first. why else whould he/she be wearing a wig in a crowd around politicians unless he/she was doing something dangerous
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    almightybob1 Male 18-29
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    October 27, 2010 at 1:07 pm
    they probably thought the moveon.org shim was a guy at first
    So what? It would still be assault if it was a guy.

    why else whould he/she be wearing a wig in a crowd around politicians unless he/she was doing something dangerous
    Some people are bald, you know. They might just be wearing wigs out in public.
    Anyway, wearing a wig is not illegal. Assault is.
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    shorti3rach Female 13-17
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    October 27, 2010 at 4:14 pm
    well that`s drated.
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    Pearl_kill Male 18-29
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    October 28, 2010 at 3:37 pm
    "Bolton ended up getting off without serving any jail time." has their ever been a more true statement?
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    8BitHero Male 18-29
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    December 14, 2010 at 3:33 pm
    That`s totally out of order.
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