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70 Responses to Stephen Fry: Kinetic Language

  1. Profile photo of DickenMcHunt
    DickenMcHunt Male 18-29
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    October 27, 2010 at 2:27 am
    Link: Stephen Fry: Kinetic Language - Perennial I-A-B favorite Stephen Fry has had one of his podcasts improved with some visually striking Kinetic Typography
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    chimmeychang Male 30-39
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    October 27, 2010 at 11:17 am
    Brilliant!
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    Matwix_2004 Male 18-29
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    October 27, 2010 at 11:19 am
    When I went back to the homepage, is it weird that I noticed the link underneath was the one about `innapprorpirate` clothes for a kids show?

    Heh.
    Stephen Fry is pretty badass though.
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    tn11 Male 18-29
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    October 27, 2010 at 11:32 am
    Makes you think about being a grammar Nazi huh?
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    xiquiripat Male 18-29
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    October 27, 2010 at 11:45 am
    This was great. I have a buddy that makes new words out of two similar meaning and sounding words. Collapsized, for instance, which is too awesome not to be a word. He never does it on purpose, just pulls them out of thin air.
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    museike Male 18-29
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    October 27, 2010 at 11:55 am
    Grammar Nazis... be ashamed.
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    Ajikan Male 18-29
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    October 27, 2010 at 11:56 am
    I started to wonder that the shape of the word animation would take at the "n".
    I was happy when you zoomed out and I saw language :)

    Semweiskandell có bwerthò, I like the sound of that to. Hell if I know what it means.
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    acanatane Female 18-29
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    October 27, 2010 at 11:59 am
    Im in love with stephen fry <3
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    meepmaker Male 30-39
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    October 27, 2010 at 11:59 am
    I love it.
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    SmokyMcPott Male 18-29
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    October 27, 2010 at 12:08 pm
    Grammar nazis you have been told. From now on you are to be known only as pedants.
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    Fatninja01 Male 30-39
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    October 27, 2010 at 12:26 pm
    Wow, thats how subtitles should be!
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    madduck Female 50-59
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    October 27, 2010 at 12:36 pm
    I agree to an extent- but whilst language should be a joy, I get frustrated when it is not clear, when the meaning is lost in abbreviation and misuse. I loathe a limited vocabulary- they are so mant wonderful words- and yet people stick to so few.
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    auburnjunky Male 30-39
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    October 27, 2010 at 12:45 pm
    This was a Grammar Nazi`s Anti-festo.
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    a1butcher Male 40-49
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    October 27, 2010 at 12:52 pm
    Im now forever using "your" as "you`re".
    Butt only when I do it hear four you.
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    CapnAwesome Male 18-29
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    October 27, 2010 at 12:55 pm
    From the very beginning I was waiting for it to zoom out so I could see what it was spelling.
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    DuckBoy87 Male 18-29
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    October 27, 2010 at 1:05 pm
    Oooo I love Stravinsky and Mahler!
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    shappy Male 18-29
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    October 27, 2010 at 1:28 pm
    lulz, teh pro iz prechen mah ways uf spaking! just kidding, i like these things
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    almightybob1 Male 18-29
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    October 27, 2010 at 1:29 pm
    ye stevn iz totaly write therz no such fing as bad spelin or gramer ur just 2 ignerant 2 undertsand it from da wurds roun about lol who rele cares about ur an ur or there there an there it duznt mater n if u fink it duz ur as bad as hitler lol u fink it makes it hardr 2 reed wel just put a bt mor effort in n don b so layz lol mayb we shud al just RELAX RITE?!?!?!?!?!?
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    fabarati Male 18-29
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    October 27, 2010 at 1:29 pm
    So we all can agree that calling yourself a grammar Nazi is bad in two ways:

    1) The fact that you`re defending something that need not be defended, that you`re stopping the evolution that`s essential for the language you profess to love to live, that you are using rules that are there for clarity to hinder others from expressing themselves freely and still getting it wrong.

    2) The fact that you`re proud of comparing yourself with a xenophobic, totalitarian and generally drated up ideology from the 30s that led to the continuance of a world war and a mass murder so bad it has become synonymous with holocaust.

    Good job. Well done. Have some tea and some lady biscuits.

    Are you done?

    Good. Now, get the drat off our webpage, because we don`t want you here.
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    ruthless1990 Female 18-29
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    October 27, 2010 at 1:36 pm
    "From the very beginning I was waiting for it to zoom out so I could see what it was spelling."
    sameee :)
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    Sarph Male 18-29
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    October 27, 2010 at 1:54 pm
    almightybob1, there is a difference of having obsessively correct grammar and doing your best to break all the rules there are. If that had been the English we all learned as children, we could probably read it, but even the most educated 1337-speaker has issues reading your post simply because it isn`t English.
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    Sarph Male 18-29
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    October 27, 2010 at 1:55 pm
    Besides, I think you missed the point entirely if you believe he was talking about epically bad grammar. And I don`t think you missed the point :]
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    almightybob1 Male 18-29
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    October 27, 2010 at 2:08 pm
    It is English, it`s just evolved ;)

    I understood his point. It was "stop being so pedantic, people don`t have to spell correctly all the time".
    My counter-point is that it is a courtesy to the readers of your work that you do spell correctly, because it relieves them of the burden of deciphering what you wrote. Language should flow, and grammar is what controls that flow.
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    almightybob1 Male 18-29
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    October 27, 2010 at 2:11 pm
    I don`t care about disinterested/uninterested. Both are negating prefix + interested, that`s fine. But irregardless and could care less piss me off. Writing something that means the exact opposite of what you mean through ignorance is retarding our communication, not advancing it.
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    fabarati Male 18-29
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    October 27, 2010 at 2:16 pm
    Irregardless doesn`t have a meaning. Despite that, it`s in the Firefox dictionary and it corrected me when I misspelt it.

    It did not recognize misspelt, despite it being a real word (UK spelling of misspelled).
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    _Mouse_ Female 18-29
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    October 27, 2010 at 2:21 pm
    That was very enjoyable.
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    Angelmassb Male 18-29
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    October 27, 2010 at 2:25 pm
    That is why I love Spanish over English any day
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    Monosandalos Male 30-39
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    October 27, 2010 at 2:40 pm
    "My counter-point is that it is a courtesy to the readers of your work that you do spell correctly, because it relieves them of the burden of deciphering what you wrote. Language should flow, and grammar is what controls that flow"
    That.
    Although you do need correct syntax and spelling to complete it.
    That being said, if one is able to get their point across then the point of language has been fulfilled.
    I think the misuse or informality of language used to communicate with others online is a source of insulting statements. Like political or religious views are.
    Personally it bothers me when people use "of" in the place of "`ve" or "your" instead of "you`re" because to me it shows a lack of effort. But I recognise this is is due to my personal idiosyncrasy, parts of which probably annoy others in equal measure. So I usually don`t bother to say anything.
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    Monosandalos Male 30-39
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    October 27, 2010 at 2:44 pm
    (1k limit)

    I have to admit however that the evolution of things like "tl;dr" (along with countless others) is something I thoroughly enjoy; a 5 character abbreviation can adequately describe most people`s view of my previous post.
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    Asspenny Male 18-29
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    October 27, 2010 at 2:57 pm
    i always thought it was couldn`t care less, though from the context it should be easily understood and thus correct in some form. As in, I could care less but it`s not worth effort
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    Angilion Male 40-49
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    October 27, 2010 at 4:31 pm
    That being said, if one is able to get their point across then the point of language has been fulfilled.

    I disagree. That point could be fulfilled with grunts and gestures in daily life. Human language needs enough complexity to be able to match the complexity of human thought.

    It`s all very well playing with language for the enjoyment of doing so when, like Stephen Fry, you`re very good at it.

    What bothers many people, including myself, is the far larger number of people who either can`t be bothered to learn more than a primitive partial language or who choose it deliberately and, in both cases, try to drag all language down to that level by deriding and reviling anyone who makes any attempt at using a complete language. It`s now normal to call anyone who is even fairly competent with language a Nazi. How low can you get?
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    Angilion Male 40-49
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    October 27, 2010 at 4:44 pm
    There`s a huge amount of ground between demanding precise adherence to perfectly correct grammar and syntax at all times and attacking anyone who uses basic English mostly in line with established syntax and grammar, while using a crude partial language that doesn`t allow the expression of subtlety or anything other than simple ideas. Rejecting the former does not require embracing the latter.

    almightybob1 makes the point well in their post (Wednesday, October 27, 2010 1:29:12 PM).
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    IRockYeah Male 40-49
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    October 27, 2010 at 5:32 pm
    If you ever have the opportunity to meet Mr Fry you should call him "the UKs National Treasure"
    Seriously.

    He likes that
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    mamba Male 18-29
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    October 27, 2010 at 7:17 pm
    I would call that a *fantasmagorical whipping of grammar nazis everywhere- also, 10 points if you can tell me where i got *thatword from =]
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    splurbyburbl Male 30-39
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    October 27, 2010 at 7:56 pm
    ireally enjoyedthis toagr eatextent
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    CrakrJak Male 40-49
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    October 27, 2010 at 8:38 pm
    It`s fair to say that the grammar dogmatists need to relax and quit being so anal about language, There are too many times when it gets boorish and actually rude to interject just for the sake of `correctness`.

    Usually, Those small linguistic errors are not pointed out for the purpose of `clarity`, But are used as point to ridicule or defame. I find that sort of pigeonholing to be reprehensible.
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    OldOllie Male 60-69
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    October 27, 2010 at 8:42 pm
    In most cases, proper grammar isn`t required for unambiguously communication -- most, but not all. In matters of law, a choice of a word or the placement of a comma can be critical. Since we have eschewed rigorous study of grammar, though, the law has become just as muddy as the rest of the language, to be interpreted by context rather than content.

    Consider the 2nd Amendment. The opening words, "A well regulated Militia, being necessary to the security of a free State,..." comprise a nonrestrictive appositive gerund phrase. While that may sound trivial and irrelevant to you, to the authors of those words, it was absolutely critical, since a nonrestrictive appositive has absolutely no effect on, i.e., it does not restrict, the meaning of the rest of the sentence that follows.

    While arguing over "less" or "fewer" is wholly without consequence, failure to understand the unambiguous meaning of a nonrestrictive appositive can lead to tyrann
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    OldOllie Male 60-69
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    October 27, 2010 at 8:43 pm
    y.
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    Moosh Female 18-29
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    October 27, 2010 at 9:47 pm
    While I am at times anal about the use of language it is because of the clarity argument mentioned and to be honest, the principle of the thing. If we are working towards a way to communicate to everyone, then everyone should know what everything means and to differ from that would be opposing the idea of this kind of interpersonal communication.

    I do like how the manipulation of language can provoke my thoughts and make me imagine interesting things, though. Like using nouns in place of verbs and vice versa.

    While I can see the attraction in playing with language there are some popular phrases that confuse me. These phrases do not communicate ideas as well as others could. Like when people started saying "nasty" or "sick" in a positive way I would have to ask them to explain to me what they meant which negated their original words. If they used words and structure that we both understood, we could communicate more effectively and I don`t underst
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    Moosh Female 18-29
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    October 27, 2010 at 9:56 pm
    and why they wouldn`t want to do that.

    The people who go around criticizing others for minor spelling and/or grammar mistakes make me angry too. I only ever ask people what they mean or to clarify themselves if I am actually confused about what they are trying to tell me.
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    kittehdee29 Female 18-29
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    October 27, 2010 at 10:19 pm
    The only time I actually go off and correct slight grammar errors (such as the misuse of their/they`re/there) is when I KNOW it will infuriate the person misusing them. Even then, it is only because the person is deserving.
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    LleetLlama Male 18-29
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    October 27, 2010 at 10:27 pm
    I should have expected everyone to whip out their Oxford Dictionaries on a Stephen Fry speech concerning linguistics.
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    coffeekoneko Female 18-29
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    October 27, 2010 at 10:58 pm
    I`m really tried, so I`m not going to have a chance to make a good argument. I do agree that we should accept language as the fluid thing it is and enjoy it and have fun with it. I do not agree that we should let all these grammatical errors go. I don`t jump at the smallest grammatical or punctuation errors, in fact I make them myself all the time, but I still feel like we should tech people eh proper use of certain words. People should know when to use "amount" and "number" and they should know the difference between "uninterested" and "disinterested." I for one would much rather have a disinterested judge than an uninterested one.
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    davymid Male 30-39
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    October 27, 2010 at 11:12 pm
    I used to me more of grammar-nazi than I am now. The only circumstance now where I do so is the approximately weekly occurrence of someone posting on here: "Davymid your a retard"

    I simply can`t resist the reply:

    *you`re
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    Satisjaktion Male 18-29
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    October 27, 2010 at 11:12 pm
    I can`t help but notice the language use on this page is a lot tidier than on many others.
    And that there are for once, no corrections of others.
    I can dig it.
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    OldOllie Male 60-69
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    October 27, 2010 at 11:14 pm
    unambiguously communication
    LOL! Here I am trying to sound intelligent, and I drop a turd like that! Actually, I was way over the 1000 character limit, and I had to go back and edit. It originally said, "...unambiguously communicate information." Oh, well, you know what I meant anyway.
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    davymid Male 30-39
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    October 27, 2010 at 11:42 pm
    Hehe, we let that one slip Ollie. Despite our differences, I can recognise an intelligent person when I meet one. People who try to demean another person`s rational thought over something as trivial as an obvious typo, only serve to make themselves look like asshats. IMO, of course.
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    CrakrJak Male 40-49
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    October 28, 2010 at 12:16 am
    "I don`t want to get killed because of a typo. It would be embarrassing." - Commander Susan Ivanova, Babylon 5.
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    beternal Male 18-29
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    October 28, 2010 at 1:29 am
    God I hate Stephen Fry...

    Seriously, there are more important things in this world to fret about than grammar and the use of English.

    He speaks like an arsey friend of mine... everything is a correection or an intellectual insult. The phrase "well ACTUALLY" is a common occurrence and it pisses me off royally. Yes, sometimes you get lazy with English, sometimes you do it for the effect, but when everyone thinks you`re a condescending and impossibly arrogant twat BECAUSE of these annoying rants that serve only to mock those people that do not conform to your way of thinking, you deserve your isolated and depressingly hermitic lifestyle.
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    beternal Male 18-29
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    October 28, 2010 at 1:31 am
    and if anyone corrects that additional `e` I accidentally typed in there, you deserve a fork to the testicles.
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    TR-Wolf Male 18-29
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    October 28, 2010 at 2:46 am
    @beternal In this clip, Fry was saying AGAINST that very thing you dislike. And he`s hardly `fretting` over it, this is just one of his podcasts where he simply mentions his thoughts and feelings. I`m pretty sure he`s not claiming language usage to be one of the worst things in the world.

    @mamba Chitty Chitty Bang Bang
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    SvampeBob Male 18-29
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    October 28, 2010 at 4:06 am
    hehe I like the ending but STFU! oh GOD I`M BORED NOW!
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    Frankii Female 18-29
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    October 28, 2010 at 6:51 am
    I wanted to hear what he was saying at the end, I ended up leaning into my speakers a bit more to try and work it out, something about aitches
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    DickenMcHunt Male 18-29
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    October 28, 2010 at 6:52 am
    I guess Beternal didn`t actually watch the video...
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    DixxyRarr Female 18-29
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    October 28, 2010 at 9:10 am
    I liked this a lot. Creating beautiful language is definitely not my strong point. I`m a horrific speller, and more than slightly dyslexic. BUT- I do appreciate reading and listening to beautiful language... so keep on keepin` on, word lovers, for I couldn`t imagine a world without you :)
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    Ryan22158 Male 18-29
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    October 28, 2010 at 10:42 am
    Wow, if we could all sound like that man we would all speak a whole lot more. I love the point he makes. I think everyone would be a lot more into language if we were not taught from our first day of school our writing must be perfect to be acceptable.
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    Handsompod Male 30-39
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    October 28, 2010 at 1:34 pm
    Consider the 2nd Amendment.

    Again!? Really OldOllie? You just can`t help yourself can you. A post about language and you have to bring in the constitution and your right to own guns to shoot the invading British.
    I`m amazed, not suprised but seriously dude, you amaze me. Is it your hobby or something?
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    PBZebras Male 18-29
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    October 28, 2010 at 1:42 pm
    lmfao @SvampeBob
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    Pearl_kill Male 18-29
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    October 28, 2010 at 3:11 pm
    the type does not emphasize in the right manner. I am a Graphic Design major, and that was just random placement of different sized text. still a good video tho.

    @DixxyRarr lysdexia is a bitch, but seriously, it is a pain in the ass. I am also more than slightly dyslexic.
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    Angilion Male 40-49
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    October 28, 2010 at 6:37 pm
    Wow, if we could all sound like that man we would all speak a whole lot more. I love the point he makes. I think everyone would be a lot more into language if we were not taught from our first day of school our writing must be perfect to be acceptable.

    Rubbish.

    I went to a very traditional grammar school. I think the fact that it was mandatory to study either Latin or ancient Greek for a minimum of 5 years illustrates just how traditional and formal the place was.

    We were not taught that our writing must be perfect to be acceptable. Not even in such a school. I have never, ever, anywhere heard of such a thing being taught.

    You appear to be mistaking a requirement for a reasonable degree of competence with a requirement for perfection as the minimum standard at all times.
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    Angilion Male 40-49
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    October 28, 2010 at 6:45 pm
    Take a look almost anywhere online. These people are not dancing joyously a little off the path of formally correct English purely for the pleasure of it. They`re blanketing the whole park in defoliant, burning the remains and flooding most of the park withsewage to create a desolate and much smaller wasteland of a language out of spite.

    Try translating a transcript of this video into txt with only the vocabulary of txt and without losing any of the meaning.

    It`s impossible. Not just ugly and tiresome to translate into English, but impossible. It is a simple grunting semilanguage, a neo-Newspeak that suppresses thought by suppressing the expression of thought. It simply cannot convey the amount of meaning that a complete human language can.
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    OldOllie Male 60-69
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    October 28, 2010 at 8:23 pm
    Handsompod, you missed my point completely. Fry was saying that grammar isn`t really important when communicating ideas. I simply provided a counter example.

    That one came to mind because so many people either 1) do not understand its clear meaning (stupid liberals), or 2) do understand it and lie about it (evil liberals). So, which one are you?
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    Handsompod Male 30-39
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    October 28, 2010 at 9:39 pm
    Me? Oh I`m a peace loving Englishman that sees no need for guns. I would like to own them for sport shooting, but the constrictions in this country are far too tight. Hell we cant walk down the street with anything sharper than a spoon without being arrested. I do not see how the ancient 2nd amendment can still be valid as; We are not invading you, you guys seem to either shoot each other on purpose, a loved one is shot by accident.
    I do agree that in point of law clarity is imperitive. But for once chap, please, pick another subject. :)
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    OldOllie Male 60-69
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    October 28, 2010 at 10:31 pm
    Yeah, why worry about protecting yourself? The Yanks will always come save your sorry arses...again.
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    Handsompod Male 30-39
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    October 28, 2010 at 10:56 pm
    Ok, blah blah blah again with the guns, and war and being hard. Protect us from who? The Irish? Oh no you just get involved when it suits you. The Irish were terrorising us for years with bombs in our cities. Where were you then? Oh that`s right you were giving them money weren`t you. Yet we back up your oil war on some bullpoo lies about nukes and terrorists. Strange how when someone else takes the same inititive of your 2nd amendment you cry `no fair they`re terrorists` and recruit others to go and fight for your oil.
    Get it from Alaska it must be cheaper to get there than ship half your able men to the other side of the world.
    Back on topic, yes words can be misconstrued if you are not clear in what you mean. Here`s an example. I bet you must remember these words Ollie.

    Saddam has weapons of mass destruction.

    Sounds pretty clear to me, oh hang on that should have read.

    There is lots of oil in Iraq.
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    Handsompod Male 30-39
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    October 28, 2010 at 11:09 pm
    Davy and other peace loving Irishmen, if you`re reading this no offence meant. Not all of the Irish obviously. I should have said the IRA.

    Proof of Mr. Frys argument.
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    Suicism Male 18-29
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    October 29, 2010 at 11:41 pm
    I met a girl today who didn`t know the meaning of the word "prospective."
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    OldOllie Male 60-69
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    October 31, 2010 at 11:04 am
    Handsompod, whenever you libs start ragging on Bush about WMD, you always CONVENIENTLY forget about this.

    BTW, if the war was a nefarious plot to steal their oil, why don`t we have their oil?
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    Handsompod Male 30-39
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    November 1, 2010 at 1:24 am
    Did I mention Bush? No. Yeah other people said it too, big deal. Our own PM went along with it too. Where were they?

    Why don`t we have their oil? Oh that`s right the military fill up at a gas station just off the Florida keys before heading out there.
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    OldOllie Male 60-69
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    November 2, 2010 at 10:58 pm
    Sorry Handsompod, but that doesn`t even make sense. Are you trying to say that we spent hundreds of billions of dollars to invade Iraq just so the military could have free gas for driving around in Iraq? Ummm...okay...

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