Religious Devotion Detrimental To Terrorism

Submitted by: Baalthazaq 6 years ago in Science

Scientist on Agnostic Ex Muslim"s Show says Religiosity opposed to terrorism. Which way do we point the flamethrower?
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Female 934
What do you know, another flame war...
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Male 58
Crack babies...
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Male 5,617
Crak, you missed what I was saying and still associate it with the religion.

From a different perspective, the religious leaders teach exactly as you just said. This builds in a person >>>a strong conviction against suicide.<<<

Indoctrination into the ass-hole group builds on those teachings but,
plays on the person`s already low self-value making them feel that:
1)Their low mood, resultant of [a low quality of life/a sense of extreme loss,] is divine punishment for some specific misdeed.
2)The ass-hole group is better than them because it is devoted to a divine cause.
3)Free will is the enemy of the divine cause.
4)They can earn an extreme reversal of fortune by complete devotion to the group ass-holes.

The set has shi# to do with the actual religions.
Islam, Judaism and Christianity, each tell a person "Beware of false profits," specifically warning members against this set.
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Male 17,512
CodeJockey: Most Christians believe that all you need to do to get into heaven is confess your sins, Ask for forgiveness, and believe in Jesus Christ. You don`t have to `earn` salvation by doing `good deeds`, But most Christians do feel the need too.

Please refrain from lumping all religions together and then making summary judgments of them as a group.
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Male 5,617
Cont

5) Indoctrination is centered on the idea that ALL PEOPLE ARE UNWORTHY OF PARADISE and must find a way to earn it.

This puts people in a state of mind to look for an opportunity to 4, especially when they have been broken down by their own actions (2) and/or have had and lost love/close family.
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Male 5,617
[quote]Religious belief causes religious ritual. [/quote]
Me-F*CKING-DAMMIT!!!! What do you not get??!!
Islam, Judaism and Christianity are all splinters of the same f*cking religion separated by thousands of years.

They each teach a variation of the same concepts relevant to the subject:
1)Death is not the end of existence and selfish acts weigh against your chances for paradise.
2)Murder is deplorable but, forgivable.
3)Suicide, a selfish act, is unforgivable and the direct path to [permanent death/eternal damnation.]
4)In conflict with 2 and 3, the direct path to paradise is to die [in defense of another person/for the greater good.]

Mainstream stress 1,2,3.
Ass-holes, 4.

So, most that are suicide bombers DON`T KNOW they are on a suicide run.
Those that do are convinced their death is
>>>in defense of the peer group to which they`ve been indoctrinated.<<<
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Male 2,422
None of this is new. Interested people should read Eric Hoffer`s The True Believer.
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Male 1,548
Religious belief causes religious ritual.
/argument
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Male 37,850
vv I agree Baalth, football fans (American too, but mostly European) can get quite fanatical, to the point of violence!
However, I cannot imagin an IABer putting on a bomb-vest and taking out 4-Chan or something! lolz!
@Pui! Keep posting, you`ll get your pony if you post enough.
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Male 310
12 minutes to listen to people argue over religion? No thank you.
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Male 511
I love TYT
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Male 4,547
Also, before anyone jumps to conclusions, I deleted my own comment. :P
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Male 4,547
Whoops... I thought he said if it DID turn. Damnit... delete that comment then.

LOL... I can see a total abuse of mod powers here. :P

Also cat5, in theory, yes to many of those things. It works too. I`m fairly sure you can draw correlation between how connected Metallica fans feel to other Metallica fans based on the number of concerts attended.

I`m sure it`s far less than how American people who recite the pledge daily feel.

I`m sure that`s less than Muslims who pray 5 times a day, or Christians that pray at every meal.

This cohesion can be awesome, or terrible, as the video says, for different stimulus. Invoking the "Them vs Us" mentality is then a trigger in circumstances it otherwise wouldn`t be.
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Female 3,574
Awww I don`t get to see gorgack2000 with a pretty pony avatar :(
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Male 37,850

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Male 37,850
Repetitive group rituals cause terrorists?
So... going to rock concerts? Buying coffee at StarSchmucks? Oh! I know! Earth Day! lolz!

We`re ALL training to be terrorists! (this guy doesn`t know shiite from shinola...)

What? Posting at IAB is a ritual too? (looks at FatNinja`s 8268 posts) Hummm.... run!!!
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Male 4,547
"Sounds like a bunch of double talk, Which rituals are bad and which are good ? This sounds really convoluted and subject to interpretation. In other words, Useless."

Actually none are good/bad in this, that isn`t the point. The point is repetitive social tasks create cohesion, that cohesion causes stronger affiliation to those groups.

That closer affiliation leads to people willing to fight and die for those people. Those same people are likely to see threats to their "group" more seriously.

Religious belief on the other hand actually according to the study, does the opposite.

This is everything I`ve ever argued ever. This is why I point to certain people going "They`re coming to get us, quickly, react!" and go "You, sir, share similar traits to terrorists".

It`s that "Us vs Them" mentality that will always be the problem.
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Male 25,416
Yawn..!
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Male 5,617
"repetitive group rituals cause terrorists, But fundamentalists don`t ?"
Arafat personally shook the hands of many people going off to martyr themselves.
Arafat died in a hospital bed. Fits.

It`s saying 2 things: Ass-holes that are religious extremists may scream, throw rocks, burn flags and protest but,
the thing that drives people to kill themselves and not just others, is a desire to support/be revered by a peer group.

Keeps perfectly in line with Marines` "You must earn your manhood by finishing Basic"/"Eat it now, taste it later" training.
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Male 1,240
Ex-Muslim sounds weird. Just as weird as Ex-Christian or Ex-Jew.
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Male 4,680
Looks like I`m safe for now. My volcano-ninja-owl-IAB-logo avatar can sleep peacefully tonight.
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Male 5,194
So... terrorists aren`t really religious people... rrriiiggghhhttt. Well! Thanks for sharing. Bye.
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Male 17,512
So... repetitive group rituals cause terrorists, But fundamentalists don`t ?

Sounds like a bunch of double talk, Which rituals are bad and which are good ? This sounds really convoluted and subject to interpretation. In other words, Useless.
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Female 136
So...they studied religious beliefs versus rituals to determine likely terrorists? And they found out that "religious rituals" (read: personal/group behavior) affects individuals committing terrible acts? Because I`m sure that *everyone* that says they belong to a religion believes in every *single* part of it. I never would have guessed that personal beliefs were the roots of terrorist behavior. [/sarcasm]
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Male 38,506
somebody has overthought the plumbing.

Good muslims or bad? Kill them all and let God sort them out.
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Male 113

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Female 3,574
@gorgack2000 I`m going to hold you to that ;)

but seriously that will never happen.
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Male 605
Poorly spelt, misinformed comment argument- GO!
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Male 4,680
If this thread goes on for over 150 posts without breaking into an argument or flamewar, I will change my avatar into a sparkly my little pony picture and will keep it that way for a week.

This tactic worked during the world cup final, let`s see if it works now.
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Male 567
oh lordy here we go,
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Male 172
This isn`t a Kantian world, the ontological reasons for doing something don`t really hold all of the weight.
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Male 172
links to the study please.
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Female 3,574
@Baalthazaq Right because the mods NEVER try to provoke flamewars :P
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Male 4,547
Erm... I mean... erm... fire EXTINGUISHER because I`m a mod, and would never intentionally post something that could be slightly toasty in the comment sections. [/Halo]
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Male 4,547
Link: Religious Devotion Detrimental To Terrorism [Rate Link] - Scientist on Agnostic Ex Muslim`s Show says Religiosity opposed to terrorism. Which way do we point the flamethrower?
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