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Date: 10/01/10 01:00 PM

35 Responses to Religious Devotion Detrimental To Terrorism

  1. Profile photo of Baalthazaq
    Baalthazaq Male 18-29
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    October 1, 2010 at 11:11 am
    Link: Religious Devotion Detrimental To Terrorism - Scientist on Agnostic Ex Muslim`s Show says Religiosity opposed to terrorism. Which way do we point the flamethrower?
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    Baalthazaq Male 18-29
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    October 1, 2010 at 1:14 pm
    Erm... I mean... erm... fire EXTINGUISHER because I`m a mod, and would never intentionally post something that could be slightly toasty in the comment sections.
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    pui Female 18-29
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    October 1, 2010 at 1:19 pm
    @Baalthazaq Right because the mods NEVER try to provoke flamewars :P
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    yanging Male 18-29
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    October 1, 2010 at 1:26 pm
    links to the study please.
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    yanging Male 18-29
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    October 1, 2010 at 1:27 pm
    This isn`t a Kantian world, the ontological reasons for doing something don`t really hold all of the weight.
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    ohplease Male 50-59
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    October 1, 2010 at 1:29 pm
    oh lordy here we go,
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    gorgack2000 Male 13-17
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    October 1, 2010 at 1:34 pm
    If this thread goes on for over 150 posts without breaking into an argument or flamewar, I will change my avatar into a sparkly my little pony picture and will keep it that way for a week.

    This tactic worked during the world cup final, let`s see if it works now.
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    hatface Male 18-29
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    October 1, 2010 at 1:45 pm
    Poorly spelt, misinformed comment argument- GO!
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    pui Female 18-29
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    October 1, 2010 at 2:11 pm
    @gorgack2000 I`m going to hold you to that ;)

    but seriously that will never happen.
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    jg0nz Male 18-29
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    October 1, 2010 at 2:13 pm

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    Gerry1of1 Male 50-59
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    October 1, 2010 at 2:23 pm
    somebody has overthought the plumbing.

    Good muslims or bad? Kill them all and let God sort them out.
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    NexusLetum Female 18-29
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    October 1, 2010 at 2:51 pm
    So...they studied religious beliefs versus rituals to determine likely terrorists? And they found out that "religious rituals" (read: personal/group behavior) affects individuals committing terrible acts? Because I`m sure that *everyone* that says they belong to a religion believes in every *single* part of it. I never would have guessed that personal beliefs were the roots of terrorist behavior.
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    CrakrJak Male 40-49
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    October 1, 2010 at 3:12 pm
    So... repetitive group rituals cause terrorists, But fundamentalists don`t ?

    Sounds like a bunch of double talk, Which rituals are bad and which are good ? This sounds really convoluted and subject to interpretation. In other words, Useless.
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    duffytoler Male 40-49
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    October 1, 2010 at 3:36 pm
    So... terrorists aren`t really religious people... rrriiiggghhhttt. Well! Thanks for sharing. Bye.
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    gorgack2000 Male 13-17
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    October 1, 2010 at 3:45 pm
    Looks like I`m safe for now. My volcano-ninja-owl-IAB-logo avatar can sleep peacefully tonight.
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    fabarati Male 18-29
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    October 1, 2010 at 4:01 pm
    Ex-Muslim sounds weird. Just as weird as Ex-Christian or Ex-Jew.
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    CodeJockey Male 40-49
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    October 1, 2010 at 4:06 pm
    "repetitive group rituals cause terrorists, But fundamentalists don`t ?"
    Arafat personally shook the hands of many people going off to martyr themselves.
    Arafat died in a hospital bed. Fits.

    It`s saying 2 things: Ass-holes that are religious extremists may scream, throw rocks, burn flags and protest but,
    the thing that drives people to kill themselves and not just others, is a desire to support/be revered by a peer group.

    Keeps perfectly in line with Marines` "You must earn your manhood by finishing Basic"/"Eat it now, taste it later" training.
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    Fatninja01 Male 30-39
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    October 1, 2010 at 4:21 pm
    Yawn..!
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    Baalthazaq Male 18-29
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    October 1, 2010 at 5:12 pm
    "Sounds like a bunch of double talk, Which rituals are bad and which are good ? This sounds really convoluted and subject to interpretation. In other words, Useless."

    Actually none are good/bad in this, that isn`t the point. The point is repetitive social tasks create cohesion, that cohesion causes stronger affiliation to those groups.

    That closer affiliation leads to people willing to fight and die for those people. Those same people are likely to see threats to their "group" more seriously.

    Religious belief on the other hand actually according to the study, does the opposite.

    This is everything I`ve ever argued ever. This is why I point to certain people going "They`re coming to get us, quickly, react!" and go "You, sir, share similar traits to terrorists".

    It`s that "Us vs Them" mentality that will always be the problem.
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    5Cats Male 50-59
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    October 1, 2010 at 5:15 pm
    Repetitive group rituals cause terrorists?
    So... going to rock concerts? Buying coffee at StarSchmucks? Oh! I know! Earth Day! lolz!

    We`re ALL training to be terrorists! (this guy doesn`t know shiite from shinola...)

    What? Posting at IAB is a ritual too? (looks at FatNinja`s 8268 posts) Hummm.... run!!!
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    5Cats Male 50-59
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    October 1, 2010 at 5:19 pm

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    pui Female 18-29
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    October 1, 2010 at 5:31 pm
    Awww I don`t get to see gorgack2000 with a pretty pony avatar :(
  23. Profile photo of Baalthazaq
    Baalthazaq Male 18-29
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    October 1, 2010 at 6:20 pm
    Whoops... I thought he said if it DID turn. Damnit... delete that comment then.

    LOL... I can see a total abuse of mod powers here. :P

    Also cat5, in theory, yes to many of those things. It works too. I`m fairly sure you can draw correlation between how connected Metallica fans feel to other Metallica fans based on the number of concerts attended.

    I`m sure it`s far less than how American people who recite the pledge daily feel.

    I`m sure that`s less than Muslims who pray 5 times a day, or Christians that pray at every meal.

    This cohesion can be awesome, or terrible, as the video says, for different stimulus. Invoking the "Them vs Us" mentality is then a trigger in circumstances it otherwise wouldn`t be.
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    Baalthazaq Male 18-29
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    October 1, 2010 at 6:23 pm
    Also, before anyone jumps to conclusions, I deleted my own comment. :P
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    Trojan Male 18-29
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    October 1, 2010 at 6:52 pm
    I love TYT
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    whocares3725 Male 18-29
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    October 1, 2010 at 7:07 pm
    12 minutes to listen to people argue over religion? No thank you.
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    5Cats Male 50-59
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    October 1, 2010 at 7:28 pm
    vv I agree Baalth, football fans (American too, but mostly European) can get quite fanatical, to the point of violence!
    However, I cannot imagin an IABer putting on a bomb-vest and taking out 4-Chan or something! lolz!
    @Pui! Keep posting, you`ll get your pony if you post enough.
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    Volsunga Male 18-29
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    October 1, 2010 at 8:16 pm
    Religious belief causes religious ritual.
    /argument
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    xiquiripat Male 18-29
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    October 2, 2010 at 1:16 am
    None of this is new. Interested people should read Eric Hoffer`s The True Believer.
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    CodeJockey Male 40-49
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    October 2, 2010 at 1:59 am
    Religious belief causes religious ritual.
    Me-F*CKING-DAMMIT!!!! What do you not get??!!
    Islam, Judaism and Christianity are all splinters of the same f*cking religion separated by thousands of years.

    They each teach a variation of the same concepts relevant to the subject:
    1)Death is not the end of existence and selfish acts weigh against your chances for paradise.
    2)Murder is deplorable but, forgivable.
    3)Suicide, a selfish act, is unforgivable and the direct path to
    4)In conflict with 2 and 3, the direct path to paradise is to die

    Mainstream stress 1,2,3.
    Ass-holes, 4.

    So, most that are suicide bombers DON`T KNOW they are on a suicide run.
    Those that do are convinced their death is
    >>>in defense of the peer group to which they`ve been indoctrinated.<<<
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    CodeJockey Male 40-49
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    October 2, 2010 at 2:37 am
    Cont

    5) Indoctrination is centered on the idea that ALL PEOPLE ARE UNWORTHY OF PARADISE and must find a way to earn it.

    This puts people in a state of mind to look for an opportunity to 4, especially when they have been broken down by their own actions (2) and/or have had and lost love/close family.
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    CrakrJak Male 40-49
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    October 2, 2010 at 8:34 am
    CodeJockey: Most Christians believe that all you need to do to get into heaven is confess your sins, Ask for forgiveness, and believe in Jesus Christ. You don`t have to `earn` salvation by doing `good deeds`, But most Christians do feel the need too.

    Please refrain from lumping all religions together and then making summary judgments of them as a group.
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    CodeJockey Male 40-49
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    October 2, 2010 at 9:27 am
    Crak, you missed what I was saying and still associate it with the religion.

    From a different perspective, the religious leaders teach exactly as you just said. This builds in a person >>>a strong conviction against suicide.<<<

    Indoctrination into the ass-hole group builds on those teachings but,
    plays on the person`s already low self-value making them feel that:
    1)Their low mood, resultant of is divine punishment for some specific misdeed.
    2)The ass-hole group is better than them because it is devoted to a divine cause.
    3)Free will is the enemy of the divine cause.
    4)They can earn an extreme reversal of fortune by complete devotion to the group ass-holes.

    The set has shi# to do with the actual religions.
    Islam, Judaism and Christianity, each tell a person "Beware of false profits," specifically warning members against this set.
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    snukatoof Male 18-29
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    October 2, 2010 at 2:59 pm
    Crack babies...
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    outdoorMINER Female 18-29
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    July 23, 2011 at 3:51 am
    What do you know, another flame war...

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