Rand Paul Supporter Stomps Head Of MoveOn Member

Submitted by: fancylad 6 years ago in

Make that, a female MoveOn member. Check out the video--this is ridiculous. Expect to hear A LOT about this for a while.
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Male 15,832
@SephirothA83

So, because Rand Paul isn`t president, his supporters should just stand around and watch while some left-wing radical nutcase charges through the crowd and murders him?
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Male 309
bwahahahahahahah!!!!!

MooOn.borg
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Male 955
I swear you guys have no concept of what factual information is.

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Male 5,620
That`s how we see you guys.
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Male 5,620

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Male 955
@OldOllie

There`s quite a difference between President Obama and Republican nominee for Senate Rand Paul.

I mean, the security detail Rand Paul had is non existent, unless you mean these thugs that shoved her face into the pavement counts as such.

I know you`re too big of an idiot to tell the difference but that`s ok. Idiots still get to vote.
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Male 15,832
SephirothA83, try doing that to President Obama, and see how far you get.
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Male 15,832
bob, there was NEVER any information that the cheerleader was the victim of a simple assault. It was only a question of whether the DA could prove the rape charge beyond a reasonable doubt to a jury and get a conviction. The DA thought that if he took the case to trial, there was a chance he could lose, but he could also win. Rather than take a chance on letting the rapist walk free, he offered him a deal to plead guilty to a lesser charge. If the rapist had been innocent, he could have demanded a trial. However, since he knew there was a reasonable chance he would be found guilty and face years of hard prison time, he took the plea.

In the case of the protester, there is no information that anything happened to her except what was shown in the video -- at worst a simple misdemeanor assault.
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Male 2,402
@almightybob1
He`s being summoned to court for a lawsuit now. It`s civil instead of criminal with only a preponderance of 51 % to find for either plaintiff or defendant for monetary settlement. Basically you don`t understand the rights here and our court system of law. That`s why you don`t know anything or recognize about being hypocritical in your assertions. Good thing your leaving as this demonstrated your arguement failed miserably again. Now in the immortal words of your famous Chef Ramsey: "Now F**k Off"!
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Male 955
piece of poo formatting

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Male 955
BTW, it wouldn`t surprise me if a few of these people aren`t applauding it just because they would do so in the same situation.

I hope women out there know there`s a number to call if you`re with one of those people.

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Male 955
I agree, putting a sign in someone`s car definitely warrants being taken to the ground and then someone using their foot to shove their face, either directly or from the shoulder, into the ground.

You conservative nut jobs that are applauding this guy for his actions are as crazy as the people you vote for into office.
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Male 4,290
elkingo: Well considering he has now been served a summons to court I`m guessing that maybe the officers just didn`t see him kick her at the time. We`ll see what your legal system (which according to handys lets off first-time rapists even if they have the evidence, for restitution) decides.

handys: I have no idea what half your post is about. I also think you don`t seem to understand what hypocrisy means. Also, you seem to think "protesting" is equivalent to "looking for trouble", and that it deserves being met with violence. In which case I hope you never find a cause you want to protest.

Ollie: Eloquent as ever, but still a hypocrite :)



Anyway, I`m done with this one. Gonna go find me a communist to kick in the head. Later folks.
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Male 4,290
[quote]Maybe if the two of the Rand Paul supporters had held her down while another one raped her, you`d have a point.[/quote]
Ah, you have new evidence that Karheem actually raped the cheerleader? Please present it to the police immediately.

Both are cases of assault. Therefore a comparison is valid.

[quote]So basically you want to make the world free of hypocrisy? By who`s standard.[/quote]
What do you mean, by whose standard? There`s one standard of hypocrisy - the dictionary. It`s a word with a specific meaning.

[quote]Your statement infers that you already judge other cultures as inferior.[/quote]
What statement? I don`t judge all Americans to be inferior, or all Republicans, or all Rand Paul supporters, or whatever you think.

I judge Tim Profitt to be a criminal for assaulting Lauren Valle, and I am sickened by the attempts of people here to justify his actions. Particularly the same ones who condemned another case of assault.
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Male 5,620
Valle stated, "When Rand Paul`s car arrived a couple of them stepped in front of me so I stepped off the curb to get around them to get back out front. At that point they started grabbing for me and I ran all the way around the car with them in pursuit."

This is a flat out lie. She rushed the vehicle and tried to shove her sign in the window, but I guess telling half truths is ok - so long as you are a liberal.
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Male 2,402
@almightybob! Your statement infers that you already judge other cultures as inferior. Not better! You really going to tell me your going into Belfast and tell them how to conform? Honestly.

The other is that protester like I said in the beginning (btw you use the word bitch not me). I said earlier in the post if you read that I did not approve of the reaction. My point if you read carefully illustrates the foolishness of others to go around to make trouble to expect such in return. It`s like you going into Kabul and telling Afghan soldiers that they should love the Taliban. You will be lucky to get out alive.
There is a difference in cartoon and reality. Reality is every culture has it`s values, and mores that defines their society a basic of anthropology. That`s what my country makes the mistake of thinking in it`s process of asserting democracy. Same as you asserting your doctrine onto American society. I don`t tell the British how to interpret their laws. Neither sho
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Male 2,402

@almightybob1
Since you had been following the entire coverage since 2008 you would know that he was indicted by a grand Jury for rape. Since you are ignorant or state and federal laws here. I`ll explain it to you. Grand Juries listen to the evidence presented by the prosecution and defense. it serves whether there is sufficient evidence or not to whether there is enough to charge with a crime. If enough evidence is available they go to trial. Usually at that point the defendant makes a deal to a lesser charge for less fines and sentencing. The prosecution usually goes along with it if he is not a repeat offender. Giving the poor lad a second chance at restitution. It also saves time and money for the local government in the cost involved. Basically he raped the girl period.

So basically you want to make the world free of hypocrisy? By who`s standard. British? Your statement in itself is hypocritical. Now pack your bags; move here and understand a culture better befor
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Male 15,832
bob, you`re a fapping idiot and a flaming @$$hole to boot. Maybe if the two of the Rand Paul supporters had held her down while another one raped her, you`d have a point. As it is, though, the only point you have is the one on top of your microencephalitic little head.
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Male 5,620
The problem is, conservatives are not inherently evil.
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Male 5,620
I am also stating a psychological principle:

It is called the Fundamental Attribution Error: This occurs when people look for fundamental character flaws in a person, as opposed to situational factors that may influence behavior.

They assume that a conservative would in fact behave a certain way based on pre-fed information, rather than the situation.
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Male 5,620
That is a more accurate portrayal of my view and defense of what happened.
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Male 5,620
@almightybob1 "Your defense of their actions is that the two professional policemen who had a clear view of what was happening correctly assessed" that the man who `stomped` her did nothing wrong, and the officers did not pursue the man, arrest him, or even get a statement or any identifying information from him.
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Male 590
Alternate side note: this reminds me of Obama`s recent over the top, idiotic analogy about the republicans driving a car off a cliff. The analogy was so stupid and misguided and non-sensical that holding it up and repeating it over and over to America would have been more than ample evidence to show that Obama is a typical out of touch, mindless lawyer/politician with a silver tongue and no content of character or thought. But noooooo, the idiot media had to specifically focus in on the "sit in the back" phrase to insinuate a racial tone and make themselves look just as stupid.

The point here is that no matter what they did, those Rand supporters acted like animals (and i am a Rand supporter), and just showing what they did speaks for itself. But there`s always some idiots who say they "stomped her head into the ground" and "gave her a concussion" - utterly and idiotically ridiculous
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Male 590
this is in response to a comment like 5 pages ago but i`m a little slow: i really just wanted to say "ha ha" to the guy bitching about how it doesn`t matter what sex the person is, whatever happened to the fantasy of equality, it`s assault no matter what her sex is.... yeah, equality is a fantasy perpetrated by idiot progressives to make everyone equally oppressed - people AREN`T equal god dammit. There is a pecking order in EVERYTHING in the universe - bottom line, it`s WRONG to hit a woman almost regardless of the circumstances

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Male 29
Yea, I`m from the area affected by this mess and I have a feeling somewhere that Rand Paul will win this election even if out of sheer media attention. I don`t know.

On a totally unrelated note, my friend who happens to head my university democratic party was "pied" in the face one night with what we believe is a mixture of sugar, flower and water. He ate a bit and we now assume he has aids.
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Male 4,290
It`s a shame they didn`t call you as a witness in the rape case eh handys, since you clearly know what happened.

[quote]Rape a woman you freaking die. [/quote]
But assault a woman and the bitch had it coming, right? Protesting a Republican as per her first amendment rights like that, she was asking for a smack. Just looking for trouble.


I don`t want to make the world British, I just want to make it free of hypocrisy. So I point it out whenever I find it.
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Male 2,402
@golden rocks
You can always go live in Russia.
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Male 2,402
@davymid and almightybob1
You two seem so interested in telling Americans how to live by your self absorbed philosophy. Why don`t you pack your bags and come here where you can run for office?

Why stop telling Americans how to behave. Apparently you want to make the world British . Just like your good old days of the British Empire. Yeah you remember that era? Still goes on today in quite a few countries.

Hmm...which one of you want to be King George III and Lord North?
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Male 2,402
@almightybob1 on Doublethink 101

Well bub you just have me all wrong. I`m an equal opportunity get a rope kind a guy no matter the race. Especially when they were a rapist, but took a lesser plea deal to avoid tying up court time. Rape a woman you freaking die.

In regards you honestly think that when you look to instigate trouble it won`t find you? How naive you must be of the real world. Nice to know you live in a Poppa Smurf cartoon world.
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Male 7
I hate american politics. Someone nuke this idiocracy.
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Male 1,882
American History X style, ouch...
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Male 94
ITS A TRAP! Just another ploy, a game. Was a half assed curb stomp right once subdued, no which is why the other guy got involved. No matter how you look at it, if he was right or wrong, there will be asses at these things. In NYC when groups protested the USSR, like the Ukranians including many whose families were killed by them, passerby`s were known to join and start violence causing cops to crack down. There were kids in those protests. Point is dont judge a group that way.
@Bob, yes just like cops are never unfairly beat ppl.,they didnt kill that dog a week ago. You cant just rely on others all the decisions and your protection. The cops didn`t do anything, and if someone was rushing I wouldn`t let them maintain their consciousness. Plus last time I checked body guards removed people in situations.
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Male 214
There is now new video of her rushing Rand Paul`s vehicle, her trying to push her sign into an open window and then her being moved away.. at first by someone in a suit which at this point would seem to be a member of Paul`s security and then by the 2 gentleman that are prominent in the video. She put herself into a position to be psychically removed.. although not to have a foot put on her shoulders/head.. like I said before, the guy that did that should get charged should the police decide to do so.
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Female 126
what a fu++++ aa++hole
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Female 412
What a f*cking *sshole. How dare he? And then expect that woman to apologise to HIM? I`d sue his *ss so hard he wouldn`t know what hit him.
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Male 5,194
Padooka, Kentucky - LOL! Where everyone`s married to their sister and flush toilets are considered a little too avant-garde.
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Female 2,674
Wow. This is quite the ordeal. I just found this news article that Tim Profitt actually wants an apology from her. From HER!
Seriously.
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Male 273
...and yet she`s smiling the whole time.

as if it was a part of her moveon.org playbook.

oh wait, it is
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Male 498
douches!
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Male 7,123
elkingo,

Heat of the moment? No. The stomper was entirely calm and deliberate in his actions against a woman who was down and no threat.
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Male 1,299
@elkingo
"As a Kentuckian, I can confidently say it is just a smear campaign, instigated by moveon.org."

Rand Paul is NOT the best choice. I grew up in Kentucky and just moved out, actually- but i`m only 15 minutes away. Part of my family still lives in Kentucky and I have deep roots there. Rand Paul has flip-flopped on several issues, he has some pretty radical ideas and he doesn`t even seem to know what his own platform is. I`ve heard him say stuff that i agree with only to have it contradicted or retracted later. The only thing he has said that hold any water for me is: "Don`t trust Democrats and Don`t trust Republicans."

Other than that He needs to decide what his ideals really are.

In regards to your second comment that this is part of a smear campaign against MoveOn- the only thing she did was protest; are you implying that she INTENDED to get assaulted?
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Male 14,331
Why was she wearing that terrible wig??
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Female 162
That looked really painful. I`m surprised she isn`t angry or upset
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Male 4,290
Let me get this straight. Your defence of their actions is that the two professional policemen who had a clear view of what was happening correctly assessed that she was not trying to assassinate anyone? That just illustrates why these men are in the wrong, and why they do not have the authority to do what they did - they were wrong in their assessment, the officers were right.
They didn`t foil assassination, all they did was commit assault while someone was exercising their 1st amendment right to protest.

[quote]Elkingo, as Aubernjunkie put it...you never hit a woman. Period.[/quote]
Unless they deserved it, right AJ?
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Male 4,290
elkingo: if you read the cheerleader thread, you`ll see that it`s established that he was convicted of (indeed, plead guilty to) assault, not rape.

So I`m comparing two cases of assault, not one case of assault and one case of rape.


And davy, I am so stealing that GIF for later.
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Male 3,369
Elkingo, as Aubernjunkie put it...you never hit a woman. Period.
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Male 229
@Elkingo - Dude, let it go. You clearly are becoming obsessed.
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Male 5,620
@ 7 seconds you see two state cops standing like 5 feet from the incident.

@ 10 seconds you see the woman rushing Paul, and getting thrown to the ground.

@24 seconds you see Tim place his foot on her, and restrain her.

@25 seconds "he assualted her"

@26 seconds you see Tim back off.

@30 seconds, there is still no police intervention, by officers like 5 feet away.

@36 seconds, you see the woman standing up happy about what happened.
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Male 229
@Wizard - I`ve read plenty of your posts and compared to what you stand on, I feel pretty good about myself.
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Male 229
"this happened in the heat of the moment, when they thought someone was going to try and harm Rand Paul - after the State Police said they would do nothing about it."

Okay, so the state police assessed the situation, decided it wasn`t necessary to intervene because the young woman didn`t pose a threat, so fearing for Paul`s life and in the "heat of the moment" a group of men threw her to the ground and stomped on her in order to protect him. You continue to prove that these idiots were wrong.
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Male 5,620
Oh I get it.. the Rand Paul supporters were not Basketball stars of African American decent.

That changes everything!!
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Male 5,620
Oh, I`m sorry.. I didn`t realize the rapist who assaulted the cheerleader didn`t physically harm her. Silly me. Or wait... is it the fact that Rand Paul supporters didn`t rape the liberal who rushed Paul..

frig now I am confused.
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Male 229
Nice Bob!!!
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Male 12,138
Bob:

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Male 5,620
@eskimo9

I am pretty sure that people respond differently to rape than alleged assault.
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Male 5,620
Violence is never a right solution, don`t get me wrong, but this happened in the heat of the moment, when they thought someone was going to try and harm Rand Paul - after the State Police said they would do nothing about it.

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Male 703
@elkingo, why, because he used the same poster in both comment threads? Forgive me if I misinterpret your thoughts, bob, but I doubt he was drawing any parrallel between the two stories, only between some people`s reactions to various stories.
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Male 5,620
@jtrebowski

shoving someone on the ground is not the same crime as rape.
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Male 5,620
"Notice the lack of liberals trying to defend the actions of other liberals when it comes to assault."

I am not talking about everyday liberals.. I am talking about the ones in the media that were there with cameras on conservatives waiting for something like this to happen. I am talking about the fact that when a Conway supporter does something similar, the media marginalizes it.

"Actually, I doubt that, unless you pulled a gun. And you would be intercepted by authorised Secret Service personnel or the police. Members of the public are not authorised to do what these guys did."

Well, the state cops there stated it wasn`t there job to guard Rand Paul, this woman rushed him, in disguise, with no clear intentions. Authorized or not, they did the right thing by taking her down. Also, there are some people analyzing the video, of the several views caught only one view looks like he stomped her, other views looks like he was trying to restrain
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Male 3,369
@Elkingo: The amount of outrage leveled at the Liberal girl was enough to warrant someone pointing out the hypocrisy.
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Male 34
@ eskimo, google `Belgium` ;)
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Male 5,620
@almightybob1

You really think forcing a rooster inside a Texas Cheerleader is on the same level of thought as forcing a possible threatening individual on the ground, and thus constitutes double think?

*face palm*
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Male 3,369
AlmightyBob, you have posted the biggest slam dunk I have ever seen. LMAO!!!!
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Male 703
I`ve asked it before, I`ll ask again, IAB: What the heck is with all the extremist leftist/rightist polarity bs going on in USA? It`s freakin everywhere! I can`t even watch an episode of Family Guy without seeing it. Seriously, if I had to put money on the first Western nation to collapse into civil war, it`d be all chips on USA.
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Male 995
Spot on, almightybob, spot on!
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Male 240
You stay classy, America!
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Male 955
lolololol
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Male 4,290
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Male 4,290
[quote]Bottom line is if some conservative tried to do this to Obama, As he was walking by, The secret service would`ve had that person on the ground in short order, And no one would`ve been worrying about that suspects sprained shoulder. [/quote]
Secret Service and the police have the authority to do that. Random members of the public do not.
And once they had pinned someone to the ground, effectively incapacitated, they would have the professionalism not to stamp on the person`s head.
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Male 4,290
[quote]What about this: Bam![/quote]
So she`s a regular protester. At which point does that authorise assault by a member of the public?
Incidentally, that link offers no proof that she was paid, merely that she is a regular protester.

[quote]I mean, there was a Conway supporter who stomped the foot of a Paul supporter at the same rally. It broke open her incision on her foot. [/quote]
I agree, that`s terrible.
Notice the lack of liberals trying to defend the actions of other liberals when it comes to assault.

[quote]Again, do this same thing to Obama and you will probably be shot to death. And rightfully so.[/quote]
Actually, I doubt that, unless you pulled a gun. And you would be intercepted by authorised Secret Service personnel or the police. Members of the public are not authorised to do what these guys did.
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Male 3,076
I don`t know what that was about but there is no reason to step on somebody in the head while they are pined down!
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Male 955
@Crakr

You`re delusional right?

Are you actually trying to make a point with "Bottom line is if some conservative tried to do this to Obama, As he was walking by, The secret service would`ve had that person on the ground in short order, And no one would`ve been worrying about that suspects sprained shoulder."

Because you clearly haven`t connected the concept of Secret Service detail for the President yet.
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Male 1,222
Wow, too much text on the comments
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Female 654
you would have to live in kentucky to fully understand the insanity that is rand paul vs. jack conway. both are out of thier minds with stupidity.
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Male 15,832
I agree, Davy. The WBC idiots have the right to protest, and I think we should protect that right. Therefore, I propose that we pass a law specifically to protect their right to protest:

"Any person who beats the living crap out of a Westburough Baptist Church funeral protester shall be subject to a fine of one dollar."
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Male 12,138
To go back to the WBC analogy, if some atheist, or homosexual, or soldier, physically assaulted Fred or Shirley Phelps, I would personally have that person hung out to dry Judicially speaking. Likewise, regardless of political stance, this assailant did wrong. You simply can`t do that! If we`re to have a funcitioning, peaceful society, there has to be some basic ground-rules!

What abhors me is the number of right-wing Conservatives, Libertarians, Tea-Baggers, whatever cloth you choose to dress yourselves in, that try to defend and justify the actions of this belligerent bully. Whether you call it an "American History X" style kerb-stomp or a gentle step on the shoulder with the weight of a man on a foot, means nothing to me. She was assaulted. Those defending the assailant, no matter of colour or creed, should be ashamed.
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Male 12,138
A parallel, if I may. It`s no secret that I, personally, am a liberal atheist (even outspoken anti-theist, I really do believe the world would be better without religion in it but that`s another thread). Now, take the example of the Westboro Baptist Church. I think it`s despicable that they protest US soldier`s funerals with their "God Hates Fags" signs. But to use the old cliche, from English writer Evelyn Beatrice Hall, "I disapprove of what you say, but I will defend to the death your right to say it."

What appalls me is not that this happened, it happens, OK. I wouldn`t even come down too hard on the assailant, it was heat of the moment thing to put his foot on her neck/shoulder whatever and stamp. What appalls me is the worrisome number of right-wing conservatives (who were here earlier in this thread and have since disappeared, not counting present company here), who were actually DEFENDING his right to assault this woman!
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Male 12,138
[quote]The thing with this chick in the video is she is basically a professional protester.. she`s been arrested in China and other places in the past. Its not enough for her to protest, she has to put herself into the story. What wasn`t shown in the video was that she was supposedly trying to rush Paul and that was the reason she was taken down to begin with. The guy that stepped on her head was wrong to do so though, if he gets charged, he should pay/do time.[/quote]
Agree totally with bigbaddave. And I`m delighted to see that Rand Paul`s organization have publically dismissed him.
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Male 15,832
He didn`t "stomp on her head." This nutcase from MoveOn tried to charge Rand Paul. The people around him wrestled her to the ground. One idiot (a volunteer, not a paid staffer) put his foot on her shoulder to hold her down. His foot slipped, and he stepped on her head. Then he put his foot back on her shoulder. Then one of the other Paul volunteers pushed him away. Paul has condemned his actions, and the woman has filed an assault report. The DA is considering charges.

Now, why don`t we have a post about another indident that same night?

"A Conway supporter stepped on the foot of a female Rand supporter, who recently had foot surgery, according to police.

The woman was wearing a surgical boot, but after the injury, her incision was cut open. Police say she refused medical treatment and also filed an assault report."

This woman did nothing to provoke the assault, and her injury was worse. Where`s the outrage?
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Male 17,511
Moveon.org members have a history of violence against conservatives, So I have little sympathy for her. One of moveon.org`s members bit of a finger of a 65 year old man, Didn`t see that get much press coverage, Did we ? Source

Bottom line is you don`t come disguised and push other people out of the way to `confront` a politician surreptitiously, That makes people suspicious that you mean to do harm.

Bottom line is if some conservative tried to do this to Obama, As he was walking by, The secret service would`ve had that person on the ground in short order, And no one would`ve been worrying about that suspects sprained shoulder.
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Male 2,402
@elkingo
Well it`s true. They were such and became close to destroying everyone. Now you can pick up your little toys and go home and cry to mommy.
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Male 214
The thing with this chick in the video is she is basically a professional protester.. she`s been arrested in China and other places in the past. Its not enough for her to protest, she has to put herself into the story. What wasn`t shown in the video was that she was supposedly trying to rush Paul and that was the reason she was taken down to begin with. The guy that stepped on her head was wrong to do so though, if he gets charged, he should pay/do time.
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Male 55
why did it have to be kentucky?! i keep finding reasons to deny i grew up there. lmao
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Male 5,620
I should have inserted an "I think" right before the "Progressives and Liberals" section. lol
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Male 5,620
@davymid - Wasn`t trying to do that at all! Sorry if it came off that way. I don`t endorse violence either.
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Male 12,138
[quote]Davy, cheers mate.

Yeah, part of "growing up" so to speak, is learning how to build and defend a good point. Progressives and Liberals take half truths, and half quotes and insinuate something entirely different.

It only goes to further reinforce my staunch conservatism.[/quote]
Hold the phone, not my point at all. Earlier I said that this was a despicable act of violence no matter WHAT side perpetrated it, and was admonishing Conservatives for defending this ogre. I never said that one side was better that the other, quite the opposite in fact. Kindly don`t twist my words to feign agreement with you, that`s not playing nice.
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Male 582
@PoopNoodle

Please do. Find a better deal and GTFO!

We dont want you.
We dont need you.
And if we had our way, we wouldnt have you.
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Male 5,620
@PoopNoodle: honestly, if I had the money, I would buy you a one way ticket.
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Male 400
Honestly. If I could afford to leave this country, I would.
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Male 5,620
@handys003

I invoke Godwin`s Law.

You loose. Because at this point you are doing nothing but grasping at straws.
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Male 2,402
@elkingo replied:
1. Rand Paul went on Alex Jones radio show. Alex Jones is a conspiracy theorist, and thus Rand Paul is a racist.

Solid logic to me.

handys003 responded:
be careful at ignoring and laughing at such. Hitler and Goebbels were both racist and conspiracy nuts. Logic was they became very powerful.
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Male 5,620
Davy, cheers mate.

Yeah, part of "growing up" so to speak, is learning how to build and defend a good point. Progressives and Liberals take half truths, and half quotes and insinuate something entirely different.

It only goes to further reinforce my staunch conservatism.
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Male 683
I think some people need an anatomy lesson. Your shoulder is not your head... Still bad though :P
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Male 12,138
Elkingo, an admirable sentiment from Dr. Paul. Just what I was trying to address earlier when I was saying how sickening it was that some of our more right-wing commenters were defending the assailant`s actions.
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Male 2,402
@shnard-dog
Go read a lot more history books. It is not rare both past and present. Heck just type in a google search on violence and politics.
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Male 5,620
And back on track:

“The Paul for Senate campaign is extremely disappointed in, and condemns the actions of a supporter last night outside the KET debate. Whatever the perceived provocation, any level of aggression or violence is deplorable, and will not be tolerated by our campaign. The Paul campaign has disassociated itself from the volunteer who took part in this incident, and once again urges all activists — on both sides — to remember that their political passions should never manifest themselves in physical altercations of any kind.” - Dr. Paul
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“Dr. Paul is running to repeal Obamacare, create Kentucky jobs and cut out-of-control government debt,” Jesse Benton, Paul`s campaign manager said, “Money will never buy his vote or influence his position. If people with small-minded ideas give him money, he will simply use it to fight for Kentucky values.”
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Male 582
Shnard-dog the guy gets donations from all over the place. Frankly, $1400 would be lucky to get a thank you note, let alone having anyone look into where the money came from.

And I read the piece on your link. Its so slanted that it sort of seems just silly.

Sorry man, but your $hit is weak. And that comes from a pretty anti-racist dude like me. Honestly, if there was anything less important than race, I dont know what it could be. That being said, you stand on verry, verry mushy ground dude.
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Male 229
Once again, I`m not trying to say that Conway hasn`t run a smear campaign against him. But there is plenty of objective proof to suggest that Paul isn`t the choir boy he makes himself out to be.
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Male 1,547
Rand Paul is not even a part of this issue. Why bring him up?
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Male 229
Yeah, I`m sure he had no idea who he was taking money from..... and yeah, he could have written them a check for $1400 and said "no thanks". But no, he would rather have the money and simply deny he knew.
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He didn`t know they were white supremacists when he took the money. Besides that, there is no way to return it - already spent.
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Male 229
"Paul took money from white supremacists to fund his campaign. Yeah.. 1400 bucks worth. Wow.. a ton of money"

Wow, you are really going to rationalize him taking money from white supremacists because it was only $1400?
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1. Rand Paul went on Alex Jones radio show. Alex Jones is a conspiracy theorist, and thus Rand Paul is a racist.

Solid logic to me.
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The top 5 reasons people post Rand Paul is a racist:

5. He goes to golf clubs, that a long time ago in history did not allow anyone to enter but whites. Even though in modern times even Tiger Woods has played golf there.

4. Rand Paul hired an idiot named Hightower, who then posted KKK related blogs.. Hightower was forced to resign shortly after.

3. They claim Paul opposes civil rights, when he stated "These are settled issues in the Civil Rights Act," he said. "I have no intention of bringing up anything related to the Civil Rights Act... I think [segregation] is sort of a stain and blight on our history -- so, no, I have never really favored any change in the Civil Rights Act or any of that. But they have seemed to unleash the loony left on me." (It was a smear campaign!)

2. Paul took money from white supremacists to fund his campaign. Yeah.. 1400 bucks worth. Wow.. a ton of money.. oh yeah, it was already spent before anyone f
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Male 229
A: I never said racist democrats don`t exist. B: I would beg to differ about Paul being racist.Rand Paul = Racist
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Male 229
@Handsy - Of course violence can be motivated by political differences. However, in the U.S. it is typically rare. And just because the young woman might have foreseen that some dildo in the crowd would attack her, it doesn`t mean she deserved it or that she should not have protested because of that possibility. The fact that people are blaming her for being attacked is amazing to me. It`s like saying that if I were walking down a sidewalk and some drunk driver ran me over that it was my fault because I knew there was a risk that it could happen.
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Male 582
Rand is an overtly racist prick? Wow. News to me.
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Male 1
Moveon. org, SEIU, the New Black Panthers...just Obama`s thug politics in action.
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@Shnrd-dog
Basically most time it`s true that political events do not lead to violence. However there are times when it does. I think you have been missing my point. My position is not to be disgusted when someone does sonething foolish. In fact I give her more admiration for being tough to take it eventhough she seemed suprised what would ensue.
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Male 5,620
@ Shnard-dog: and you think democrats have never made a statement that is racist?

Racist Democrats


Besides that, Rand Paul is not a racist. That was more smear attempts.
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@Shnard-dog
It is historical that violence permeates at times in all countries. Be it political or religious, pr economical etc...There is a difference between the cartoon world and reality. Where there is opposition there is confrontation. Sometimes no matter the law there will be violence. The young lady should have been prepared for the worse and hope for the best. Apparently she wasn`t prepared.
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"As a Kentuckian, I can confidently say it is just a smear campaign, instigated by moveon.org. If you live here, you understand that Rand Paul is really the best choice candidate for a lot of reasons. The democrats have been grasping at straws for awhile now."

Yeah.... and Rand is such a great guy. I`m not thrilled with either choice, but I would never vote for that overtly racist prick.
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@davymid
No condescending tone intended. Fact is political differences have been historically violent in all countries as well. Protected free speech or not. The fact is when your in opposition it will anger some as intolerant views will project. I agree myself it was uncalled for. However it`s not a Gene Roddenberry world where you only have to worry about the Klingon`s. Violence against those who go into the enemy camp is at a high risk. You might come out clean, but odds will eventually stack up that there will be violence. It`s a historical reality including all continents and their countries. Therefore anyone who like this girl; has the cahones to walk in is brave. However it is naive that she expected to come out unharmed. Free speech tolerance or not. She should have been ready for a reaction including physical. Ghandi was a passive protester, but he still expected to get the crap knocked out of him. He was realistic of human behavior. Get what I mean?
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As a Kentuckian, I can confidently say it is just a smear campaign, instigated by moveon.org. If you live here, you understand that Rand Paul is really the best choice candidate for a lot of reasons. The democrats have been grasping at straws for awhile now.
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Male 582
Well, I have watched the several vids many times. I do not see a "head stomp" or a "neck stomp" and really a "stomp" at all. He crushed her shoulder (had to hurt for sure) to the ground and then removed pressure.

Guess that is what happens when you put on an obvious disguise and rush a major political figure.

Again, do this same thing to Obama and you will probably be shot to death. And rightfully so.
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Male 229
@Handsy - You are making a lot of assumptions based on your own perception of what you`d expect to happen. The reality is that people protest all of the time and the vast majority of the time people have enough basic respect for others that they don`t attack them, even if they disagree with them. Look at the dispicable Westboro Baptist Church protesters. Even though a lot of people would say violence against them is deserved because they are purposely instigating, violence against them is very rare.

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What about this: Bam!

I mean, there was a Conway supporter who stomped the foot of a Paul supporter at the same rally. It broke open her incision on her foot.

Yet, when the liberal media posts the story, they only post about a felon getting stomped when she was paid to be there to agitate people.
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@davymid
The Fox News one isn`t the same vid. The vid that was on the Huffington Post was about 45 degrees to the left and 1 foot below and had a clear shot of the path of the guy`s foot from a parallel angle to its motion. He puts his weight on her shoulder and pushes forward (actually looks like it dislocated). You can`t tell anything in terms of depth from the Fox News angle. I`ll try to find the video from another source, but it looks like she got her concussion from when she was forced to the ground, as she looks a little dazed *before* the guy kicked her. If that`s the case, then her injuries are a result of her struggling against the crowd and the guy, no matter how much of an non-nice individual he is, isn`t responsible for said injuries.
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@Handys, ignoring the vaguely condescending tone for now... With respect we`re not talking here about the KKK or neo-Nazi rallies. We`re talking about two supposedly moderate left- and right-wing political advocacy groups in America in 2010. It is indefensible that one`s right to protest (which I understand is codified in your First Amendment) should be met with one`s head being stomped into the pavement, while incapacitated, resulting in physical injury.
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Male 337
well if she`s a MoveOn member well then she should move on
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Male 582
Well kids, try putting on a disguise and running up to Obama. See how well you are treated or if anyone whines and bleats.
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@davymid
Being the explorer that you describe yourself. Then this should be no surprise to you in all phases of cultures throughout the world. If you walked into a Muslim society with an anti-Muhammad shirt what do you think will happen. If your a Jew and walk into a neo-Nazi organization denouncing Hitler. What do you think is going to happen? If your a KKK member walking in South side L.A. with a Metzger for president shirt what do you think is going to happen? People are going to get upset. Statistically the odds will be that some in a group will get violent. No matter whether it`s appalling or not. It`s beckoning trouble, and the shining Knight is usually not there to rescue the damsel in distress. That is reality.
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Male 185
Yes, she was being provocative. Yes, she was restrained. Yes, he stepped on her neck, and then stomped on her head after she was restrained. His actions are indefensible. Those who support his behavior are reprehensible excuses for humans. Kudos to the guy who said, "No, no, no, no, c`mon".
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vv Volsunga, the video in your link has been disabled. I offer this one from Fox News which Goalie posted earlier which still works: LINK

Skip to 0:43 which shows multiple slow-mo replays. Although the ball of his foot clearly starts on the woman`s shoulder, his heel very clearly stamps down on the back of her neck. This can absolutely result in a concussion (had a similar injury myself playing rugby a few months back).
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Watch the video here
If she sustained a concussion or a sprain, it was from her struggling while being restrained. From the angle in this video, you can clearly see that the "head stomp" is actually a "shoulder crush". Still unnecessary, but you can`t get a concussion from a kick in the shoulder. It also shows the events leading up to her being restrained, notably struggling through the crowd running right at a political figure while wearing a disguise.
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almightybob1

I dont know what the deal is with this vid. I wasnt there. Maybe they thought she was disguised for an assassination attempt and were worried about a hidden gun. Maybe they were just being A-holes. Maybe she was singing Barry Manilow tunes. No way to know really.

My post was in opposition to all the spin about her being a chick and the "No REAL man would EVER strike a woman" BS.

I have been violent and I have been nonviolent. If you are against violence (defending ones self or another not withstanding) it is because you realize violence is wrong. It doesn`t matter if its against someone weaker or stronger. It doesn`t matter if its against a woman, man, child or an ocelot.
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That is pretty disgusting, but not as disgusting as the likes of Crakrjak et al (no surprise there) actually trying to DEFEND this kind of action. Seriously guys, does your vitriolic hatred of Liberals extend so far as to attempt to justify stomping an incapacitated, small, female protestor`s head into the pavement?

Sh*t, if this were a crowd of liberals stomping on a tea-bagger, I`d call it barbaric and shameful. Hell, if I were a real mouth-frothing liberal I might even try to dissociate this assaulter from mainstream liberalism: "He doesn`t represent our movement, he`s a wild card, kick him out", which is indeed the line the Paul campaign took. But under no circumstances could I ever DEFEND this kind of action, no matter what the political affiliation of each side were.

Ugh, a bit sickened.
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Stupidass. When you look for trouble expect trouble.
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Crakrjak - politics aside, she`s a woman, thrown to a curb by a group of men, and once pinned on the curb, the guy clearly steps on the back of her neck.

That video isn`t the best version - it doesn`t show the group of men forcing her onto the curb. Watch this. Here, from Fox News: Longer version

Lets even humor you and say she was attacking Rand Paul (she wasn`t). Once she is on the ground, pinned by another man, the use of force in self-defense is no longer privileged.

She was clearly pinned down - there is a man on top of her - and once she is pinned down, DUDE STRAIGHT UP STEPS ON HER NECK, AND CLEARLY PUSHES HIS WEIGHT ON HER NECK.

WHAT THE F*CK IS THERE TO DEFEND?

He WILL be charged with battery. No doubt about it. Dude even admitted it to the press! (Should have gotten a lawyer right a
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Male 714
wasn`t a stomp. wasn`t her head. she did something deliberately provocative in order to get a reaction.
mission accomplished.
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I`ve done some work with members of MoveOn PAC in the past and I can assure everyone that the majority of them are huge pussies, afraid to demonstrate or deviate, protest or boycott...

Honestly I`m surprised that somebody decided to do something in the real world as opposed to making lame commercials that hardly get seen outside of Youtube...
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Was the kick unnecessary? yes. Was it unjustified? no. If you see somebody wearing an obvious disguise, holding a sign for an opposition movement and pushing and shoving through a crowd to reach a political candidate, you know that something`s wrong and one way or another, sh*t`s going to go down. The way she was struggling at first almost made it look like an assassination attempt. In the heat of the moment, the action taken seems justifiable.

I had to find another source because the vid in this article wasn`t working for me (went to HuffPost). Judging from the comments, I think the video I saw might have a little more context than the one in this article.
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Male 2,056
holy sh*t, i think i heard her neck
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Male 39,913
Well that`s what you get for wearing such a crappy, synthetic wig. The queens attack.
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Female 354
That`s disgusting.

I mean, I get people saying "Oh, she wasn`t hurt that bad, blah blah blah". First off, if you actually read the article the women got a CONCUSSION and multiple sprains. Concussions can take a very long time to recover from and can also lead to complications later in life. Not only that, the women was on the ground before being stepped on. Most likely she had been pushed down forcefully. There was a crowd surrounding her, not helping her up, watching, allowing one man to hold her down and letting the other kick her in the head.

Insane.
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No Wizard, I said it`s almost always wrong. There are some situations in which I would attack someone - for example, if they were about to kill me. I would not hold back if it was a woman. I also think excessive force is wrong - if possible, I would try to stop them killing me without killing them. I would do that regardless if it was a man or a woman.

No matter what the woman in this video may or may not have done, once she was on the ground being held there by three men, she was incapacitated. The kick is unnecessary force, directed spitefully by a stronger party against an already incapacitated weaker opponent.
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Male 4,680
Funny how adding women and politics to an incident makes it so sensational. Such is life.
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almightybob1 I get you but by that standard it should be "its never OK to hurt anyone weaker than you" and we come back to the same starting point.

If you think violence is wrong, then you think its wrong for its own sake. Otherwise violence is OK as long as you only harm someone stronger than you.
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[quote]Either you believe its wrong to hurt people or you don`t. PERIOD!

The persons gender holds no weight in the issue. What happened to us "all being equal" and other such myths? [/quote]

It`s not that simple. I believe it`s (almost always) wrong to hurt anyone, regardless of their gender. But it`s naive to pretend that gender doesn`t make a difference when violence DOES occur.

Men and women should, and do, have equal rights. But they are not physical equals. Men are simply built bigger and stronger. There`s no point pretending we aren`t. Obviously there are exceptions, but on the whole pretty much every guy is stronger than pretty much every girl.

I am of fairly average build for a guy, and I`m stronger than literally EVERY single girl I know.
So I find it particularly repulsive when someone takes advantage of that in-built discrepancy by being violent towards women. Or for that matter children.
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As far as the Kenneth Gladney thing, in the video itself, Kenneth doesn`t even appear to be hurt, I thought the black guy in the SEIU was more hurt and I thought originally thought that was Kenneth.

Kenneth is walking around, completely mobile, seemingly unhurt in the video, then tries to pull that its a hate crime, and that he needs to be in a wheelchair?

Now we obviously don`t have the video of the situation from start to finish, but the portion we do see, we really can`t see who started the altercation.

If it was indeed started by the parties shoving him then yeah, he was assaulted by them. But don`t act like you have to be in a wheelchair and be heavily medicated afterwards when there`s video evidence of you being clearly fine.
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"There is never a reason to hit a woman"

"Its never OK for a man to hit a women"

What a bunch of bull$hit.

Either you believe its wrong to hurt people or you don`t. PERIOD!

The persons gender holds no weight in the issue. What happened to us "all being equal" and other such myths?

The fact is, a 90 year old man in a walker can give you a "reason" to shove his ass down a flight of stairs if he really wants to. You either employ violence or you don`t.
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Male 309
yeah his foot is defiantly on her shoulder not her head. And he just sorta pushes down against it, not that thats okay, but this isnt a curb stomp thats gona kill a bitch
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lol I love the defense of this guy, classy people, classy.

You only defend him because she`s liberal and protesting against Rand Paul.

It`s assault in the most basic description of the law. None of them had any right to push her to the ground more or less shove her head into the pavement, or stomp her head into it.

Either way you want to look at it she was assaulted and pretty brutally when she did nothing other than protesting.
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Male 229
"And I`m sure that this episode will receive EXACTLY the same coverage as the SEIU member assaulting Kenneth Gladney outside a Town Hall Meeting last year? (which is to say, none.)"

Actually, I did see news stories on that attack, so I don`t think it`s accurate to say no attention was paid to it. But, one significant difference between the two situations, neither or which I see as being justified, is that this was a young woman who was wrestled to the ground by a group of men and then stepped on by one of those men while not attempting to fight back whatsoever.

It`s amazing what people will do to "protect" someone that I guarantee doesn`t give a rip about them.

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Male 1,625
She got a concussion. And she`s a 23 year old woman! How they holy F*ck do you stomp a woman in the head like that?
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Male 871
it may have been her shoulder his foot was on but when he shoved her down her face and head clearly hit the pavement.
Anyone attempting to defend these action should be ashamed of themselves.
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Male 68
Wow! I have no idea about the politics surrounding this, but it is f**ked up.

I`ve been on protests and `rallies` here in England where people have said things and I`ve wanted to seriously punch them, I never did, because I think theres a line with how you treat people.

This guy has gone way beyond that line, regardless of what she did or said previously, unless he was defending himself, which he clearly isn`t.
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[quote]Did she deserve it? [/quote]
AJ, didn`t you say in the cheerleader rape/assault thread that, and I`m copy-pasting here, "You never hit a woman, period."?

So is it now "You never hit a woman, unless she deserved it"? Is being a liberal deserving it?
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Male 1,598
Didn`t really look like he "stomped" on her. Looked more like he just stepped on he. Not as big a deal as they are making it. It`s a simple case of assault that has been blown out of proportion.
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They didn`t mention that this woman has tried to approach Rand Paul before, Shoving people aside in the attempt. Also, Moveon.org members have also been behind `pie-in-the-face` attacks on several business people and politicians.

She wasn`t hurt, I don`t believe the accusations of `sprains` because there is no way to prove them medically.
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Male 9,305
I saw this video on the news page at work this morning. A guy actually stepped on this woman`s head, and then when he backed off he said something more while she was down there. I don`t follow the political circus, but I don`t care what side is which, this ACTION by anyone is completely disgusting behavior!

What the f*ck guys? What the f*ck?

Furthermore we`re a goddamn republic, not a democracy, it`s in the freaking pledge of allegiance for f*cksakes.
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Male 590
It was disgusting and I wish hard that Rand would come out and say those people are not welcome back to any rallys. I wish harder than I do for unicorns.
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Male 351
If only the violence shown by Liberals was ever put on TV....
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Female 3,001
even if it is exaggerated, it doesn`t make what happened right. its not cool, i don`t think anyone should be defending a guy who is clearly trying to cause harm to this woman, whether he succeeded or not, or whether it was a shoulder attack or a head attack. its still wrong.
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Male 10,338
What did she do before that happened?

Did she deserve it?

Also, that was more of a shoulder/back situation.

I love selective media.
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Male 19
Looks more like the shoulder to me...
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Male 582
"...but why lie and make it out to be more than it was if you have a valid point to make."

Because news people like so much they do it even when they dont need to.

And this will be on a constant loop where the Kenneth Gladney footage was hardly mentioned.
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Male 39,913
I wouldn`t call that a "stomp".
More like a shove with the foot.

but there should be more violence in politics.
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Male 2,441
Wow. Hillbilly debates
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Male 1,116
Classy.
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Male 4,807
She looked none the worst for wear after... lets move on shall we.
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Male 8,538
And I`m sure that this episode will receive EXACTLY the same coverage as the SEIU member assaulting Kenneth Gladney outside a Town Hall Meeting last year? (which is to say, none.)

Right?

Right?
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Male 440
It was clearly her shoulder not her head. Still wrong of course but why lie and make it out to be more than it was if you have a valid point to make.
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Male 2,868
Oh sh*t...let the flame war begin.
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Male 25,416
Wow, thats just seriously wrong! but it definately wont be the end of this saga!
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Male 4,290
Pretty sick.
The stomper has since been identified as Tim Profitt, a former volunteer for Paul. Dude needs to do time for assault.
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Male 20,909
Link: Rand Paul Supporter Stomps Head Of MoveOn Member [Rate Link] - Make that, a female MoveOn member. Check out the video--this is ridiculous. Expect to hear A LOT about this for a while.
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