Parents Shocked That Examiner Kept Son`s Brain

Submitted by: cobrakiller 7 years ago in
http://www.cnn.com/2010/HEALTH/10/27/shipley.stolen.brain/index.html?hpt=Sbin

Creepy...yes, illegal...hmmm?
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Male 5,413
I get how it`s distressing to people especially for the family. But if you agree to an autopsy then... surely it`s fine. I can honestly is would be incredibly shocking to see that but for someone who is an organ donor it wouldn`t bother me what happened to my body. I guess leaving it out in the open like that isn`t a smart idea and it is incredibly gross but it`s for study. And when you`re dead why bother caring?
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Male 3,076
the doc looks way too happy :-? but WTF he is dead yes it horrible, but he is dead and they agreed to an autopsy. they kept the brain for research...
IF I die, I would let people poke my brain :-P I don`t really care because I would probably don`t feel a thing...
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Female 1,515
Um yeah, it seems like the Medical Examiner was doing his job properly...though I do wonder at why they needed the brain, testes and whatever else because of a car accident--though the release says they can take organs for educational purposes, i wonder what the limitations of that is. Can they take any organ they want to show for educational purposes, even if it`s not directly related to cause of death?

It`s BS that people sue for every little thing. Your son is dead, who cares where his brain is? -.- (I wouldn`t care...though I have a scientifically oriented mind, as well as an athiest belief system so...yeah...)
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Male 5,194
>>the worst part i feel is: suing for emotional distress. what kind of bullcrap is that?

Exactly. This would make a good human-interest piece in any news outlet, shame the examiner, serve as a warning - but with the BS lawsuit I feel SORRY for the examiner...
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Female 160
I think they probably could have gotten a better brain.
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Male 496
I`m not sure I understand the problem here. If you ok an autopsy you should have already accepted the fact that your son is dead and that his organs are going to be examined. How does knowing that his brain is still in a jar make any difference? Sometimes when people still feel grief they want to turn whoever they can into a bad guy so that they can have someone to hate, and in this case sue.

Ultimately...feel bad for their loss but they don`t deserve any compensation just because they failed to understand what an autopsy entails.
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Male 3,631
@Dumbasses - FORENSICS SCIENCE CLUB, not entire school! Even worse - if they win, there goes the first black Frankenstein..
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Male 703
@Stormydreams - LOL! That would add a whole other dimension to this story.

"Local teacher won`t relinquish hold over student`s mind - even after death"
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Male 2,419
`According to the form, the consenter authorizes "the removal, examination, and retention of organs....as the pathologists deem proper for diagnostic, education, quality improvement and research purposes."`

First they signed over all his organs, then they put their son`s body in the ground before the autopsy was finished. Little late to then send the organs to the funeral home, so the morgue had the choice of disposing of it or keeping it for further testing, educational purposes, or research. Seems like an obvious choice to me...
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Female 160
When I first clicked on the listing, I thought they meant examiner as in exam professor or something. o:
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Female 798
what school takes a field trip to a morgue?
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Female 406
I guess the problem is the consent part.
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Male 703
I`d say the problem is not that they took the brain, it`s that the family and friends found out about it. Some things people don`t care about, as long as they don`t know about it.
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Male 12,365
[quote]the worst part i feel is: suing for emotional distress. what kind of bullcrap is that?[/quote]

Profitable.
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Male 2,841
It`s a drating brain, emotional distress my ass.
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Female 245
i dont think its weird that they kept the brain, i just think its weird that they left it out where other people can see it. id put it somewhere where only the workers can go
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Male 25,416
Wow
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Female 423
i don`t get why it`s that creepy... they just kept the brain for further examination...
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Male 2,796
I think people are way too sentimental sometimes. I know for a fact that there are people out there that are able to be traumatized and still keep their wits and logic about them. I know it makes me a jerk and insensitive, but I think the family are being boneheaded about it. As if anyone needs any part of their body once they are dead, it`s BS.

If I were in the same situation I know exactly what I would do:

Me: Sir, why did you keep my sons brain?
Doc: I am so sorry you had to see that, Sir. We sometimes keep certain organs for further testing or study.
ME: Well, I understand, but you really should assign numbers to the names just in case people may recognize those they have lost... I am very upset.

And it would be left at that. Logic... it works with logical people.
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Male 7,839
a1butcher, like you werent going before that comment.
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Female 535
It was labeled Jesse Jon.. Jesse Shipley.

wtf?
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Male 4,807
Maybe they are just stocking up for the zombie Apocalypse we all know is coming.

will I go to hell for that comment?
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Male 4,680
Reminded me of this:


Not that the kid was Hitler but it`s spookily similar otherwise.
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Female 169
It`s up to the parents to decide that. If the guy doing the autopsy approached them and asked to keep the brain for medical purposes or whatnot, I see that being a bit more fair to the mourning family then just sort of taking pieces of their son. If the family says no, then respect their decision, if they say yes, take it. Put it in a jar and goddamn, don`t label it with his name! I would be traumatized if I saw my friend`s brain floating in a jar. I`d be more sane to see the jar with a number and not know whose it is...
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Male 63
the worst part i feel is: suing for emotional distress. what kind of bullcrap is that?
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Female 255
I don`t think it should have been labeled with his name. A number would have been better. And I don`t understand why it was that big of a deal. Once they are dead, that ceases to be them anymore.
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Male 7,378
You know what... This is absolutely OK. It`s not the parents decision to say his organs can`t be used for science. They didn`t see the brain so they didn`t suffer any emotional distress. Jesse wasn`t old enough to have a drivers license and have the question asked of him. People should have to opt out of organ donation instead of opting in.
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Male 2,737
I was a body remover for two years,for the district 21 coroner in Lee county,Florida.Whenever we brought in a body,the brain was ALWAYS removed and kept (that is, if it was intact and retrievable).I onced ask why they kept the brains, and was told that they get studied.For what, I`m not sure.But all are taken, and all morticians know this.No one is buried or cremated with their brains.
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Female 351
correction: the second to last sentence.
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Male 120
look, he does not need it anymore. His parents should of placed a greater emphasis on sharing.
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Female 351
the last sentence of the article...I...I`m such a terrible person...i couldn`t stop laughing. I`m going to hell.
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Female 2,674
I think it`s okay that they kept the brain, since the family signed the paperwork. But it is wrong to label the jar with a name, because the organ is no longer part of the person. A number system is more appropriate.

And- Why are schools going to the morgue anyway? I know it`s educational and whatnot, but so is going to a prison or a water purification plant. Is seeing the inside of a morgue really necessary for a proper education? I`m going to say no.
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Male 5,194
%&$# drama-queen parents.
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Male 436
Kinda of a touchy subject, I think there should be consent laws for this type of thing and the next of kin should absolutely be notified of the situation if and when it is necessary to retain parts for any reason.
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Male 4,546
This is not OK any more than with-holding any other body part would be without written consent.
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Male 15,510
Braaaaaains
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Male 2,850
@collegebound

"god knows thats the only reason why he is keeping it..."

If you had read the article, it gave very clear reasons why the brain was kept.

Bound for college? Really?
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Male 2,850
To misquote David Mitchell:

"They`re upset because their (son`s) brain is in a jar, instead of in a ditch!"

A little way into the article, Dr. Victor Weedn gives a very cogent explanation of why the brain was kept. Do the family care more about their son rotting in the ground than they do investigating the cause of his death (and perhaps finding a guilty party, or helping to prevent it happening to someone else)?
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Female 3,574
I don`t think it should be illegal, but I feel bad for the kids who knew him and saw his brain in a jar o_o
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Female 2,120
He was making a home remake of Hannibal
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Male 3,745
should be illegal to do things like this...its a drating brain and it wont/cant even be used to be transplanted...god knows thats the only reason why he is keeping it...
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Male 169
Lol.
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Male 40,259
kinda icky to think about, but I have no problem with this. It`s just spare parts. The "person" is not there.
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Female 3,001
meh
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Male 6,693
Just a snack for later.
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Male 7,839
Link: Parents Shocked That Examiner Kept Son`s Brain [Rate Link] - Creepy...yes, illegal...hmmm?
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