FBI Caught Placing GPS on Arab Student`s Car

Submitted by: goaliejerry 6 years ago in
http://www.cnn.com/2010/TECH/gaming.gadgets/10/08/fbi.tracks.student.wired/

Pretty scary what is considered legal here.
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Male 185
they might catch him killing prostitutes just like everyone else....when muslims kill prostitutes its wrong but if its a white guy then ok....
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Male 235
@smokeymcweed i am definately blowing you up dippoo
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Male 703
OK, so scenario 1: He`s not a terrorist, does not affiliate with anyone involved in terrorism. They track his car for a while, maybe he goes somewhere shonky, they investigate, find out he bought maccas there. They get bored. Scenario 2: He is a terrorist. They track him for a while, find he is visiting other suspected terrorists, spends a lot of time at a soap factory. They dig a bit more, get a warrant and arrest a terrorist.
Suppose they do it properly, he is not aware of being tracked. In what way is his freedom impeached? Does his being watched stop him from buying weed from that guy down the street? Not unless he is a terrorist too.
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Male 1,312
@smokeymcweed Really? go into your laundry room, grab the bleach and drink it you d-bag.
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Female 146
@smokeymcweed and YOU should be imprisioned for your `name`!! Don`t judge!
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Male 33
hahahaha, that`s what you get f*ck*ng muslims =)
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Male 759
jsatan,

Yes, that was sarcasm. Although your post was lengthy, it did not say anything. You make an assumption that the FBI did not secure a warrant. Have you checked with the clerk of courts about this, did you also take into account that the warrant can be held from public release with cause? It`s cute that you think you know what you`re talking about. Better luck next time.
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Male 10,339
The outside of your car is not private!

He drives in on public roads. The FBI, or whomever did this, had complete authority to do so.

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Male 904
I never cared much for my civil liberties anyway. I want UK level cameras and China/Iran level electronic monitoring/limitations. Now where`s my copy of 1984?

Sometimes I think those crazy militia guys might have it right.
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Male 208
Don`t worry, your boring, lol
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Male 97
guys. let`s be honest. i am trying not to be bias because i live in/ love the US. however, this was a mistake. BUT! the stereotypes are both ways! many people around the world (i have travelled a lot) generalize americans, saying that we are all rude, boisterous, and greedy. which, in many cases, is untrue. it is similar to saying all saudi arabians are terrorists, which is a GROSS misconception. all in all, the steryotypes go both ways.
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Female 423
lol paranoid bastards
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Male 81
i still like America.. i hate that people are so hypocritical. after 9/11 everyone wanted higher measures for security against terrorists and potential terrorists. its not like they kidnapped him and interrogated him, they tracked his car to see if he was doing something illegal. who cares if their car is tracked. u can track my car if it means i wont be a suspect for something. if they track 20 ppl and 19 are innocent but they find one who is a terrorist, i think its worth it.
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Male 61
heh gives me just another reason to be happy living in a country where you can still leave your house unlocked, and car with the keys in it no matter where you are.
Asked a friend the other day what I would need, visa, documents bblablablablaba if I wanted to travel to the usa, he explained it all, and then added jokingly that it would soon be easier getting to North Korea than USA.
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Female 3,001
mental...

this is ridiculous, made me very cross.
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Male 422
Hah..cheapskates
"Hey can we have that device we tried to track you with back?? I mean its not like we did antyhing wrong to you.."
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Female 803
Anyone know of a place that doesn`t do this to their citizens? Because at 19 I`m already sick of this bull. I need a place to move.
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Male 1,016
he should have stuck it on a Greyhound bus or a Semi....something that travels all over the country ...
So, I have one question Amerka, how do you like your police state now ????
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Male 1,678
"Yes, I`m sure that this guy did absolutely nothing. Which is exactly why the FBI is investing so much time and money into tracking his movements... because he didn`t do anything...

People will believe anything"

Anything like if theres absolutely no evidence that a person has committed a crime that they`re more than likely innocent. Crazy bastards!!!
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Male 661
This is very disturbing. If it was just an isolated incident it would be scary, but the fact that this action is part of a growing trend in NA to take away civil liberties and freedoms, all in the name of anti-terrorism.

I`m not saying that North America is like Nazi Germany, but this was what was happening in the early thirties, less personal freedom, less privacy, more government and law enforcement powers.

I hope I`m worrying for nothing...
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Male 498
FBI...meh
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Male 25,416
At least they were cool about it!
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Male 182
I know it`s a "slippery slope" issue but I don`t

care if the goverment wants to spy on me.

I`m very boring.
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Male 555
I find that thing on my car they`ll have to track it while I mail it to Uruguay.
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Male 256
@number43
I`m not sure if you`re being sarcastic or not.
You know why he`s not done anything don’t you, because he`s not locked up in jail/prison like the other half of the US. You should read a few of you own laws this bill (allowing tracking of cars with out a warrant) was only passed a few months back. Shame on the US for falling to such levels and then having people defend it. When they come for you don`t cry about it, just keep thinking "hey, they must be right, they`re the FBI, I love my government". Given the US created a mini German camp for POWs in a little bay down south and simply detained people at a whim doesn’t instil any confidence in me.
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Male 1,623
The FBI or CIA does not follow any regulation.
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Female 535
Eh. If they did that to my car, they would get bored of me just driving to school and work all the time.
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Male 759
Yes, I`m sure that this guy did absolutely nothing. Which is exactly why the FBI is investing so much time and money into tracking his movements... because he didn`t do anything...

People will believe anything
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Male 5,617
Oh, how obvious can anyone be?
They put the big, clunky piece-of-crap in a
conspicuous spot just for him to find so they
could watch what he did, where he`d go and to whom his
calls were.
That big-assed transmitter had to be a 20 year old
design, at least.

No one uses that shi# now because so many people use cell phones.
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Male 4,290
[quote]If the FBI sent a dude to stand right next to me, two things would happen. (1) I wouldn`t be talking on my cell, and (2) I`d go inside. [/quote]
And if the FBI tried to follow me everywhere, I`d shake them off, or stay inside.

And I could always sue for an injunction due to harrassment.
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Male 4,014
Its perfectly legal to catch the FBI following you.
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Male 4,014
"An FBI spokesman wouldn`t acknowledge that the device belonged to the agency or that agents appeared at Afifi`s house."

According to the guy who found the device, thats what happened.

Maybe you are right - perhaps its a complete lie.
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Male 720
Pfft they had the balls to ask for it back? I`d just deny knowledge of it til they explained completely what they were up to...
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Male 4,014
"If the FBI can assign someone to stand near you whenever you talk on your mobile phone, why not let them tap it?"

Well thats silly. If the FBI sent a dude to stand right next to me, two things would happen. (1) I wouldn`t be talking on my cell, and (2) I`d go inside.

You can always sue for an injunction due to harrasment.
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Male 4,290
[quote]The FBI openly admitted what it was doing[/quote]

From the article:
[quote]An FBI spokesman wouldn`t acknowledge that the device belonged to the agency or that agents appeared at Afifi`s house.[/quote]
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Male 4,014
A private citizen can watch where you drive, follow you if they so chose.
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Male 4,014
"That would give you probable cause to track the friend. Not everyone he knows who is of Arab descent."

Seriously, why can`t the FBI just watch where he drives?
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Male 4,290
[quote]If the FBI can assign two agents in a Crown Vic to follow you wherever you go - not read your emails, not tap your phone, just watch where you drive - why not let them do it by a GPS receiver? [/quote]
If the FBI can assign someone to stand near you whenever you talk on your mobile phone, why not let them tap it?
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Male 4,014
*INTERNET.

The FBI openly admitted what it was doing, told him he was being watched, and discussed their interest in his friend`s alleged internet bomb threat.

They didn`t videotape him jerking off.
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Male 4,014
I have to say, this was entirely legal.

There is no expectation of privacy when you drive on public roads. If the FBI can assign two agents in a Crown Vic to follow you wherever you go - not read your emails, not tap your phone, just watch where you drive - why not let them do it by a GPS receiver?

What, exactly, was "illegal" here? Invasion of privacy? You mean the non-private fact of when you go out in public? Papparrazi can follow Kim Kardashian when she goes to get a colonoscopy, but the FBI can`t track the movements of a friend whom admittedly:

"recalled "writing something stupid," but said he wasn`t involved in any wrongdoing. Khaled declined to discuss the issue with Wired.com."

Link

WHAT RIGHT WAS VIOLATED??? THIS GUY TOLD HIS ENTIRE STORY TO THE
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Male 10,339
We don`t know the whole story.

Don`t pass judgment.
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Male 55
New World Order at work. Alex Jones is gonna have a field day with this one.
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Female 2,764
Wow, scary stuff.
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Male 11,740
Land of the free my ass. Anyone who is ok with it is a racist pig. How`d you like to find that on your car? I don`t think it would be the same now would it? What a load of crap.
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Female 798
It`s sad to see how many people are OK with this. My favorite Benjamin Franklin quote sums it up nicely: "Those who desire to give up freedom in order to gain security will not have, nor do they deserve, either one."
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Male 712
Oh I love that "That`s just the way it is" B.S.

If it`s not right then stop with the passive support.

Then again, I think Bill Hicks said it best.

"Go back to sleep, America. Your government has it all under control. Shut up! Go back to sleep..."
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Male 207
It just goes to show that you can`t be posting stupid things in places that anybody can read them. If you are a Muslim you should know better than to post anything that could be even remotely related to terrorism. Is it right? No. But it is the way things are.
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Male 325
Glad I`m white.
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Male 505
"That should obviously say "gain". Stupid hands."

Seeing as i recall you live in the UK that would make it nearly 3 am so it`s understandable :P
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Male 505
Well we don`t know if that was a first step. Thats the problem, we haven`t got enough information about the case or the people involved. If it turns out that they just jumped on this guy because he was a friend then yeah i don`t agree with it, but i`d like to think they had more of a reason than that.
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Male 4,290
[quote]for their own game[/quote]
That should obviously say "gain". Stupid hands.
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Male 4,290
[quote]I would still have to be investigated in order to find out if i sympathise or show any support.[/quote]
Agreed. But GPS tracking is not the way to do that. It`s a pretty big invasion of privacy. Plus I doubt it`s cheap.
Bugging would make more sense if you wanted to actually find out what the person thinks and says, but even that seems a large first step.

[quote]I persnoally have no problems with immigrants working here legally, grandfathers from Italy grandmothers from France. It`s the ones you hear about who come her and claim benefits and don`t try to work. I have the same problem with anyone who does that.[/quote]
Agreed on all counts. Just as I have a problem with anyone who tries to screw the system for their own game, whether they`re an immigrant or a natural born citizen.
But that`s a whole different topic.
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Male 2,700
I have to say.....this is drating stupid. The comment I wanted to leave on this site was already posted on the other site. Pretty much goes like this:

"I am so glad I live in a free coutry and not a country like China or Russia that constantly tracks andd threatens the innocent"

Oh wait, thats right, the terrorists have won. America has become such a paranoid country that we are devouring ourselves. Osama Bin Laden doesnt even have to do anything anymore. We are further bankrupting this country to prosecute those that have done nothing wrong.

In all seriousness...I actually felt a seething anger as I read through this story. Im not Muslim. I do not have any muslim friends. But I am human, and I have human friends, and these people are human. Races, Religeons, Sexs...ALL HUMAN. We are simply destined to destroy each other and this, this is the proof.
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Male 10,855
I never thought I`d ever see the phrase "FBI caught"
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Male 505
I just checked mine and it says London, but london is quite big.
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Male 505
Sorry bad grammar and structure there, i`m tired!

"My grandfather is from Italy and my Grandmother from France."

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Male 505
thebandit:

I think it was more along the lines "you`re boring" as in "you`re not doing anything wrong and thus we`re not interested"

Almighty:

I would still have to be investigated in order to find out if i sympathise or show any support. Although i do think that the radicals have one valid point about immigration, its getting a bit much. I persnoally have no problems with immigrants working here legally, grandfathers from Italy grandmothers from France. It`s the ones you hear about who come her and claim benefits and don`t try to work. I have the same problem with anyone who does that.
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Male 4,290
Hm. Just checked mine and it got the right city, but that`s all.
Still, I suspect the government could do a lot better :P
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Male 3,482
[quote]Altaru, I could tell you your IP using the IAB console. I`m pretty sure the FBI could find you.[/quote]
There`s a problem with that, though.

My IP is based half-way across the state from where I am. I`ve checked it out, lol.
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Male 3,482
[quote]But I would expect the police to go to greater lengths to establish the cell members than "they`re friends, he`s part Arabic".[/quote]
Well, to be fair, he was already on a watch-list because of his father and all that, so there are a few more factors at play here than "he`s Arab, GET HIM!"
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Male 4,290
Altaru, I could tell you your IP using the IAB console. I`m pretty sure the FBI could find you.
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Male 362
was it really necessary to call the kid boring?
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Male 4,290
Do you share the views of the EDL or BNP? I would only expect you to be considered a suspect if you expressed a similar desire. Not just for knowing the guy. Why should you be subject to scrutiny because of the actions of your friend? Their crimes are not your crimes.

You may be questioned as a witness, but that`s a totally different thing from being considered a suspect.

And yes, as far as I know (from the likes of Spooks and 24, admittedly not the best sources) terrorists tend to work in cells. But I would expect the police to go to greater lengths to establish the cell members than "they`re friends, he`s part Arabic".
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Male 3,482
You know, I kinda wanna do something on-line to get myself tracked by the FBI.

Just to see if they can find out who I am. No, seriously, I`m sitting here right now piggy-backing off someone else`s wireless internet (I would use my own families, but my room is a dead-zone for our router), I tend to use false names EVERYWHERE, I think IAB is the only place I`ve stated my true age (I usually say I`m three or four years older), I`ve NEVER stated where I live, especially since I moved into my new home, and my personality is so extreme and variable that no two places on-line even think I`m the same person.

So, yeah... I wanna know if they COULD find me.

As for this kid`s case... It does seem like there was a certain degree of suspicion, though I would have expected them to be quite a bit more careful about placement and all that if they REALLY intended to track him for a prolonged period of time.
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Male 505
Also almighty, if i had a friend who posted online about bombing a mosque because he was a radical EDL or BNP member i would expect myself to fall under carefull scrutiny, and would be worried if i wasn`t investigated. Although with the way our country is with policing it seems likely that they`d ignore it.
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Male 505
I may be wrong so feel free to correct me but from what i know most terrorists work in groups? Which would mean that just investigating the one person isn`t the best course.
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Male 4,290
[quote] If his friend did post something online which was about a "bomb and a mall" as the article says then you`d want them to investigate wouldn`t you?
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That would give you probable cause to track the friend. Not everyone he knows who is of Arab descent.
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Male 505
Seems to be that the FBI thought they had a valid reason to track this kid. Although we don`t have enough details to know for sure. If his friend did post something online which was about a "bomb and a mall" as the article says then you`d want them to investigate wouldn`t you?

How many people would be complaining if the FBI didn`t act on some information and another attack happened?
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Male 297
If I have a choice to hang out with a black guy or an arab guy I`d choose the black guy cause the arab guy is boring..
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Male 4,290
I would have destroyed it and told them I got rid of it because I thought it was a bomb.
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Male 1,931
I blame the Patriot Act under Bush.
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Male 121
I think we can conclude that NO politians care about our personal freedoms or rights as citizens of this country. Democrats or Republicans. They`re all corrupted slime balls.
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Male 774
5Cats,

Not necessarily Obama at work here, more like the entire government is racist.
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Male 2,424
“Corruption and hypocrisy ought not to be inevitable products of democracy, as they undoubtedly are today”

- Mahatma Gandhi
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Male 734
A taxi or UPS truck? Nonono, you`ve got it all wrong. Head down to FBI headquarters and stick it on one of their vehicles. :P
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Male 143
If he did stick it on a taxi the FBI would probably just think he got a job.
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Male 436
he should have stuck it on a random ups truck or a taxi.
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Male 37,774
Well, this is Obama`s policies at work eh?
YES I blame Obama! lolz! Y`all liberals spent 8 years blaming Bush for every SCOTUS decision, not so much fun when the tables are turned eh?
But reasonably, tracking someone is a real grey-zone. If it`s used to investigate a specific thing, then OK. If it`s just fishing for anything the subject might do wrong, no way.
Should have a court order, but what to do when the courts say it`s OK to NOT have one?
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Male 3,462
Assuming that everything said is completely truthful in this article, they had reasonable suspicion of this student, and they followed through.

No harm, no foul.
Nothing ventured, nothing gained.
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Male 2,229
police state 101, track someone (anyone will do) "advertise" that individual is being tracked. Do few more times at a `targeted` group or organization. Repeat till paranoia sets in, move to "other matters"
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Female 200
Oh wow- I saw on reddit where he had posted this. Pretty crazy to find that on your car.
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Male 2,619
Rightfully so.
Says the overly paranoid youth of America.
God bless the free
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Male 1
I don`t see why the fba shouldn`t be able to track him down
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Male 178
sigh
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Male 422
Rightfully so.
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Male 4,014
Link: FBI Caught Placing GPS on Arab Student`s Car [Rate Link] - Pretty scary what is considered legal here.
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