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152 Responses to Fatal Car Crash Victim Tragically Not Glenn Beck

  1. Profile photo of davymid
    davymid Male 30-39
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    October 13, 2010 at 10:08 pm
    Link: Fatal Car Crash Victim Tragically Not Glenn Beck - A tragedy indeed...
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    Rick_S Male 40-49
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    October 15, 2010 at 12:07 pm
    We have warning for pictures (that little after the title), for posts that aren`t safe for work (the NSFW, of course), and for other stuff. Can we get a warning for Onion posts. "Fatal Car Crash Victim Tragically Not Glenn Beck "
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    collegebound Male 18-29
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    October 15, 2010 at 12:08 pm
    dammit i got the wrong car...
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    Lukgeezy Male 18-29
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    October 15, 2010 at 12:11 pm
    wow seen this on the Onion like almost a year ago...Step ur Game up Davymid!
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    VDragonV Male 13-17
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    October 15, 2010 at 12:12 pm
    This makes me love The Onion like 100 times more than I already did.
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    sheaton319 Male 18-29
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    October 15, 2010 at 12:13 pm
    "We have warning for pictures (that little after the title), for posts that aren`t safe for work (the NSFW, of course), and for other stuff. Can we get a warning for Onion posts. "Fatal Car Crash Victim Tragically Not Glenn Beck ""


    I agree. I was sorely disappointed when I saw it was an anion video.
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    Gerry1of1 Male 50-59
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    October 15, 2010 at 12:13 pm
    and all those rape victims that aren`t Glenn Beck either
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    Scott_2150 Male 18-29
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    October 15, 2010 at 12:15 pm
    I totally agree with Rick_S
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    Ghostofme16 Female 18-29
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    October 15, 2010 at 12:15 pm
    Repost.... but due to the content, thats ok... :) lol
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    auburnjunky Male 30-39
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    October 15, 2010 at 12:16 pm
    I know this is the Onion, but DAMN!
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    auburnjunky Male 30-39
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    October 15, 2010 at 12:17 pm
    So much hatred for a guy who does nothing but speaks his mind.

    God Bless America!
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    Corpsecrank Male 30-39
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    October 15, 2010 at 12:28 pm
    every last video I click on that has anything to do with politics or anything controversial at all says an error has occurred. I am starting to think this is being done on purpose.
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    drips Male 30-39
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    October 15, 2010 at 12:30 pm
    LOL. That was one of the funniest ONN pieces I`ve seen.
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    GParadox Female 18-29
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    October 15, 2010 at 12:31 pm
    Normally I click out because its the Onion... But Jesus, I`m glad I didn`t because that was hilarious.
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    JumboCookie Male 18-29
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    October 15, 2010 at 12:41 pm
    I usually hate the onion but this was okay...
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    Delos Male 18-29
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    October 15, 2010 at 12:55 pm
    "...there is no harder thing than to have Glenn Beck outlive your child." Bweeheeheehee!
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    Northernwolf
    304 posts
    October 15, 2010 at 1:07 pm
    R.I.P Rebecca Bunten...Damn you Glenn Beck!
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    DixxyRarr Female 18-29
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    October 15, 2010 at 1:10 pm
    "A good friend who hated Glenn Beck and loved to dance."

    Ha. That`s me in a nutshell.
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    ForAllThSin Male 18-29
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    October 15, 2010 at 1:53 pm
    you`re all gay
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    Fatninja01 Male 30-39
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    October 15, 2010 at 2:25 pm
    Thats acceptable for onion standards, not elite! They still owned the iran man movie, if you hadnt seen it here it is
  21. Profile photo of Cartunze
    Cartunze Male 60-69
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    October 15, 2010 at 2:25 pm
    Too funny. hahaha
  22. Profile photo of DixxyRarr
    DixxyRarr Female 18-29
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    October 15, 2010 at 2:47 pm
    ForAllThSin:

    I AM gay! And it`s AWESOME.

    And I`m sure I get more pussy than you do. Just throwing that out there...
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    Gentle-Tramp Male 13-17
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    October 15, 2010 at 2:59 pm
    one word...IAB chat!!!!!!!!

    join now and get a free example of a Gentle-tramp
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    Angelmassb Male 18-29
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    October 15, 2010 at 3:10 pm
    oooold
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    ElMustache Male 18-29
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    October 15, 2010 at 3:19 pm
    Forallthsin: You know you love it.
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    Tisjokar Male 18-29
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    October 15, 2010 at 3:36 pm
    So funny xD
  27. Profile photo of Wildcats2008
    Wildcats2008 Male 18-29
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    October 15, 2010 at 4:13 pm
    Yeah, so exactly how much hate and evil must you be full of to actually wish someone dead?

    There are a lot of people out there that I disagree with or say some things that are controversial in my book but I wouldn`t wish them dead.

    If you haven`t ever watched his show his two main points (in my opinion) are 1. Just tell the truth and 2. Run the government within the scope of the Constitution. Are those really so bad?

    Teach a man correct PRINCIPLES and let him govern HIMSELF.
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    OldOllie Male 60-69
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    October 15, 2010 at 4:35 pm
    And yet liberals are always accusing conservatives of hate speech.
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    Wizard77 Male 40-49
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    October 15, 2010 at 4:39 pm
    Wow. This is just sort of sick and uncool. Its not even "dark" funny. Its just ugly and mean.
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    fiizok Male 40-49
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    October 15, 2010 at 5:09 pm
    "I think there is a handful of people who hate America. Unfortunately for them, a lot of them are losing their homes in a forest fire today."

    --Glenn Beck, explaining why some people deserved to lose their homes to fire in California, October 22, 2007.
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    SaintsFan Male 30-39
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    October 15, 2010 at 5:09 pm
    Not even remotely funny. It`s okay, to wish death on Glenn Beck but a billboard with cartoon Obama`s is evil? WTF??
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    asurazero Male 18-29
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    October 15, 2010 at 5:31 pm
    good......good......
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    HunterKiller Male 18-29
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    October 15, 2010 at 5:37 pm
    oh f**k off, Glenn Beck`s a f**kin` idiot. If this video doesn`t make you laugh, then get that stick outta your ass.
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    IssaTheFiend Female 18-29
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    October 15, 2010 at 5:56 pm
    Seen this a while back. F*cking hilarious. Glen Beck is an idiot waste of space and if you didn`t think this was funny you clearly have no sense of humor.
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    jacos27 Male 18-29
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    October 15, 2010 at 6:27 pm
    @Wildcats2008

    Glenn Beck lies ALLLLLLLLLLl the drating time...just to proving his hypocritical antics, however, yes to wish someone dead is bad, but you have to see how because he`s such an non-nice individual makes this video funny.
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    jacos27 Male 18-29
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    October 15, 2010 at 6:30 pm
    P.S. this is the first time i typed curses in this thing...

    i always thought you all just typed drating, and a s s h o l e = non-nice? i don`t think that`s a good euphamism
  37. Profile photo of xelous
    xelous Male 18-29
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    October 15, 2010 at 7:23 pm
    lol, I too wish it were Glenn Beck. Also careful jacos27 the profanity filters are there for a reason if you try to bypass them you`ll end up getting your account suspended or even banned.

    Ahh Glenn Beck... what a d-bag.
  38. Profile photo of OldOllie
    OldOllie Male 60-69
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    October 15, 2010 at 7:40 pm
    I used to think there was hope for you liberals, but after reading the all poisonous hate you`ve posted here, I`m convinced we`re just going to have to line every one of you nasty mutherfuukers up against the wall. Goddamn, you people are WAY too fuuking sick to be allowed to live in a civilized society. I hope you all burn in hell!
  39. Profile photo of Wizard77
    Wizard77 Male 40-49
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    October 15, 2010 at 7:44 pm
    I thought Libs just saw the world another way. After reading the stuff here, I see that they really are bad people.
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    JUGGALETTEx0 Female 18-29
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    October 15, 2010 at 7:47 pm
    ughhh WTF there really should be an onion warning next to posts. If I wanted to see something that the onion made, I would go to their website.
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    xelous Male 18-29
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    October 15, 2010 at 7:47 pm
    @OldOllie - omfgroflcopterbbq I really hope you can see the irony in your comment.

    They`re all sick and uncivilized so let`s kill em all and hope they burn in hell. )-|
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    Wildcats2008 Male 18-29
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    October 15, 2010 at 7:49 pm
    jacos27 - Name ONE, just ONE lie that Glenn Beck has said.

    OldOllie - Don`t stoop down to their level and play their games. I would be willing to bet you`re a better American than that.
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    rammo34 Male 18-29
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    October 15, 2010 at 8:19 pm
    @OldOllie You accuse liberals of of posting smut, and you post that vile comment? Delicious irony.
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    OldOllie Male 60-69
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    October 15, 2010 at 8:21 pm
    "I really hope you can see the irony in your comment."

    It`s no more "ironic" than giving the death penalty to a murder.

    "OldOllie - Don`t stoop down to their level and play their games. I would be willing to bet you`re a better American than that."

    Would you say that to a soldier killing terrorists?
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    Shnard-dog Male 30-39
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    October 15, 2010 at 8:31 pm
    Everyone..... OldOllie is one of the most ridiculous posters on here. He`s sort of like that grandparent that`s gone totally senile and says totally illogical, crazy stuff. You just have to learn to say, "Uh huh... right OldOllie.. Uh huh", then slip him another sleeping pill and go on with your day.
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    OldOllie Male 60-69
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    October 15, 2010 at 8:38 pm
    Shnard-dog, Oh, boy howdy, you really zinged me with that one! That had all the rhetorical eloquence of a flatulent jackass.
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    Shnard-dog Male 30-39
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    October 15, 2010 at 8:40 pm
    Uh huh... right OldOllie.. Uh huh
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    OldOllie Male 60-69
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    October 15, 2010 at 8:45 pm
    Uh huh... right OldOllie.. Uh huh
    Wow, Shnard-dog, that was quite a scintilating gem of wit and wisdom. Have you considered publishing a book of your greatest quotes?
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    rakoonhat Female 30-39
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    October 15, 2010 at 8:59 pm
    really? no one should ever wish death on anyone. thats just drated up, and you ought to be ashamed of yourself.
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    5Cats Male 50-59
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    October 15, 2010 at 9:00 pm
    Stay CLASSY Liberals!
    Wish DEATH on all who fail to agree with you!
    (Then wonder why you`re losing on Nov.2nd).
    But be TRUE to teh HATE! We have always been at war with Glen Beck!

    Did Beck crash his car, leave a woman to drown while he changed his clothes? Fail to report it until he sobered up? Oh wait, that was Ted Kennedy! (a Democrat, ok?)
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    Wildcats2008 Male 18-29
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    October 15, 2010 at 9:08 pm
    OldOllie - Big difference between a terrorist and a soldier.

    Yeah, I`d be pretty upset if the United States started planting car bombs and sending suicide bombers to indiscriminately kill everyone within the blast radius.
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    davymid Male 30-39
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    October 15, 2010 at 9:09 pm
    Also careful jacos27 the profanity filters are there for a reason if you try to bypass them you`ll end up getting your account suspended or even banned.
    Nah, we`re not that harsh! As long as users don`t deliberately push it too far, or bypass racial/hate speech words, we generally let swear bypasses go. And for something as minor as a swear filter bypass, there`d always be a warning first.

    *Fun Fact: I`ve been banned for swear filter bypass, and I`m now a mod...

    So basically, we ain`t da po-lice. Unless your swear filter bypass is "all f ucking n iggers must f ucking die". Then we`d make that police brutality cop from the other day look like f*cking Tinkerbell.
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    OldOllie Male 60-69
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    October 15, 2010 at 9:12 pm
    OldOllie - Big difference between a terrorist and a soldier
    Right, and there`s a big difference between flaming and wishing death on someone just because you disagree with them, and you don`t have the intellectual capacity to refute their positions with facts and logic.
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    goaliejerry Male 30-39
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    October 15, 2010 at 9:36 pm
    "Glenn Beck, explaining why some people deserved to lose their homes to fire in California, October 22, 2007."

    Or "explaining how its bad to bailout banks, but also how taxing banks is bad for banks."
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    goaliejerry Male 30-39
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    October 15, 2010 at 9:38 pm
    Ollie - I miss you buddy. I haven`t liberal-raged with you in quite some time. Good times.
  56. Profile photo of CrakrJak
    CrakrJak Male 40-49
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    October 15, 2010 at 9:48 pm
    Liberals hate on any influential Conservative. Rush Limbaugh, Ann Coulter, Michael Medved, Pamela Geller, Michelle Malkin, Sarah Palin, Bill O`Reilly, Andrew Breitbart, Sean Hannity, And many others have been slandered, libeled, and derided.

    Beck is one of their most hated targets because he is effective, He educates people and wakes them up. That makes him seem dangerous to liberals, Because they`d rather have willingly ignorant sheeple to lead around than a well informed public.
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    xelous Male 18-29
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    October 15, 2010 at 9:59 pm
    @davymid
    *Fun Fact: I`ve been banned for swear filter bypass, and I`m now a mod...

    Haha, yeah only reason I say anything is b/c i`ve been banned before too. I don`t recall if it was anything racist but I don`t believe it was.
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    CrakrJak Male 40-49
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    October 15, 2010 at 10:01 pm
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    almightybob1 Male 18-29
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    October 15, 2010 at 10:12 pm
    Crackr: The only two names I recognise from that list are Sarah Palin and Bill O-Reilly.

    Sarah Palin is a moron, who didn`t even know what the Bush Doctrine was, and had to have it explained to her by the interviewer. How could she expect to be taken seriously if she clearly didn`t know about politics? Pointing out that an idiot is an idiot is not libel or slander. It may be derision, but wholly deserved.
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    almightybob1 Male 18-29
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    October 15, 2010 at 10:14 pm
    Bill O`Reilly is an ill-informed, patronising and hypocritical sexual predator who shouts at and insults his guests when he is outwitted. Again, it is not libel or slander to point out the truth, and any derision, he brings upon himself.

    Had to split that into two parts so the comments section wouldn`t screw up.
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    Ozmose Male 30-39
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    October 15, 2010 at 10:19 pm
    Glenn Beck does the exact opposite of educating people. If there were a poison that you could pour into peoples ears that turned them into drooling retards, it would have his face on the side of the bottle.
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    xelous Male 18-29
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    October 15, 2010 at 10:20 pm
    Nothing better than religion and politics combined to get the chat threads a buzz.

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    davymid Male 30-39
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    October 15, 2010 at 10:22 pm
    Haha, yeah only reason I say anything is b/c i`ve been banned before too. I don`t recall if it was anything racist but I don`t believe it was.
    Haha, just checked. Nothing racist at all, it was only a week ban for posting "First!". Light slap on the wrist, that`s all. All meant in good spirit. Think of it as a rite of passage!

    Crackr: The only two names I recognise from that list are Sarah Palin and Bill O-Reilly.
    Aw mate, you`re missing out on Ann Coulter. She`s a mainstream political commenter, who once famously said in her column on muslim nations "We should invade their countries, kill their leaders and convert them to Christianity." She`s a doozy.
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    5Cats Male 50-59
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    October 15, 2010 at 10:49 pm
    Sweet Sacred Cows @almightybob1!~ Now you`re repeating outright lies?
    There`s NO SINGLE THING known as the "Bush Doctrine" it was an AMBUSH question designed to make the other person look bad!
    She asked him to explain what he was asking, he doesn NOT.

    Did you even watch the video?
    1:10 Q: Do we have the right of making cross border attacks into Pakistan from Afghanistan without approval of the Pakistani government"

    Just like Obama continues to do? lolz! That stupid Palin! Agreeing with Obama!
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    fiizok Male 40-49
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    October 15, 2010 at 10:53 pm
    "I`m convinced we`re just going to have to line every one of you nasty mutherfuukers up against the wall."

    Good God, OldOllie, get yourself some psychological help NOW! You need it badly!
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    5Cats Male 50-59
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    October 15, 2010 at 10:58 pm
    Some Intelligent Discussion about the "Bush Doctrine".
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    Tonyjet Male 18-29
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    October 15, 2010 at 11:05 pm
    beck is a dratface who uses fear to manipulate his followers
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    CrakrJak Male 40-49
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    October 15, 2010 at 11:07 pm
    almightybob1: Sarah Palin clearly asked what part of the so-called `Bush Doctrine` she was being asked if she agreed with. It was a `trip up` question from the beginning, Because no matter how she answered he could`ve claimed he was asking about something else.

    If I asked you if you agreed with the `Obama Doctrine`, How would you answer ? I`d bet it would be similar in nature.

    O`Reilly does tell people to `shut up` when he`s talking on occasion, Especially when they try to talk over him or cut him off. He`s no `sexual predator`, Andrea Mackris was allegedly flirting with O`Reilly and when she didn`t get a raise she tried to blackmail him and Foxnews. The matter was settled out-of-court and all charges where dropped. Which just goes to show she was just after money.

    Very weak shots there Bob.
  69. Profile photo of OldOllie
    OldOllie Male 60-69
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    October 15, 2010 at 11:10 pm
    Charles Krauthammer, the person who coined the term "Bush Doctrine," explains that Sara Palin was right; there is no one single definition of the term, and Charlie Gibson is completely full of $#!+ (as is almightybob1).

    Link.

    Way to show your ass, Bobby Boy.
  70. Profile photo of OldOllie
    OldOllie Male 60-69
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    October 15, 2010 at 11:12 pm
    Alright, here`s a challenge to ALL of you psycho Beck haters. Name one thing, JUST ONE THING, that he has said that isn`t true, and back it up or STFU!
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    almightybob1 Male 18-29
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    October 15, 2010 at 11:27 pm
    @5Cats, CJ, OldOllie: Did you watch it?

    Charlie: "Do you agree with the Bush Doctrine?"
    Palin: "In what respect Charlie?" (This part is fine)
    Charlie: "What do you interpret it to be?"
    Palin: "His world view?"
    Charlie: "The Bush Doctrine, enunciated September 2002, before the Iraq War." (puts it in context and makes it obvious which aspect he means)
    Palin: <answer which shows she still does not understand, necessitating the explanation 5Cats pointed to>

    It is the last part that shows her ignorance.


    If someone asked me "What do you think of the Obama Doctrine, as enunciated before the announcements of the healthcare acts in 2010" I would know EXACTLY which aspect they were talking about.
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    HunterKiller Male 18-29
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    October 15, 2010 at 11:32 pm
    "I`m convinced we`re just going to have to line every one of you nasty mutherfuukers up against the wall"


    ROFL @ Ollie

    Simmer down grandpa
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    almightybob1 Male 18-29
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    October 15, 2010 at 11:32 pm
    CJ: That`s a very generous interpretation when you consider that she has recordings of several of the conversations. It seems far more likely that he settled with her to prevent huge public embarrassment for himself, because he knew damn well he was in the wrong. He doesn`t seem like the kind of guy to back down if he was genuinely innocent.

    OldOllie: I`ll go one better and provide you a spreadsheet of some of his lies, with the refutations. It took me all of a few minutes to find. There`s quite a few on the list. Enjoy.
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    OldOllie Male 60-69
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    October 15, 2010 at 11:34 pm
    almightybob1, if you had bothered to click the link I posted you could have saved yourself considerable embarrassment. As it is, though, the only way you can cover your fail is to hit Delete Post.
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    davymid Male 30-39
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    October 15, 2010 at 11:48 pm
    Seriously Bob, you`re missing out on Anne Coulter. She`s a hoot. As I mentioned previously, she`s the one who said (of muslims) "We should invade their countries, kill their leaders and convert them to Christianity.". She also said "Jews need to be perfected".

    I have several to pick from, but since I moved to Canada, let`s roll with how she has no idea who fought in what wars.
  76. Profile photo of davymid
    davymid Male 30-39
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    October 15, 2010 at 11:49 pm
    Republican IABers, you`re probably aware of the fact that there`s a movement on youtube called "Why People Laugh at Creationists", headed by some guy named Thunderf00t (look it up if you like, it`s pretty solid science).

    Likewise, I would argue that there are people that laugh at Republicans. And that`s not because of Republican views, it`s because of the people, the personalities that you guys put up on the flagstaff, the banner, to represent what you believe, politically or otherwise.

    Seriously, Sarah Palin? She believes dinosaurs were around at the same time as humans, about 6000 years ago. The same dame, who while preaching the sanctity of marriage had her own daughter knocked up out of wedlock? Her children are now celebutards themselves (as SP has become), showing up on Dancing With The Stars? (For Brits, that`s Strictly Come Dancing)
  77. Profile photo of davymid
    davymid Male 30-39
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    October 15, 2010 at 11:52 pm
    Repubs, please hear my voice: You`re picking the wrong icons. There`s a tendency in politics to assume that the people are stupid. They`re defintitely not, and they`re becoming more intelligent and educated by the day. If you pick viable candidates, as John McCain was, we could sit around the table and have a conversation.

    It`s kinda hard to take the Republican movement seriously when it`s moved from the days of good economic policies such as Reaganomics to a f*cking Punch and Judy show, where people like Palin are held up in the spotlight as a shining beacon.

    News. Sarah Palin, as the world sees it (not just America, I mean really the world), is a f*cking joke.

    America, people are smarter than you give them credit for.
  78. Profile photo of almightybob1
    almightybob1 Male 18-29
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    October 16, 2010 at 12:29 am
    almightybob1, if you had bothered to click the link I posted you could have saved yourself considerable embarrassment. As it is, though, the only way you can cover your fail is to hit Delete Post.
    I did read it. And as I made very clear in my post below, the part where she fails is NOT asking "in what respect", but after she is told "as enunciated before the Iraq War", and still fails to demonstrate knowledge.

    From the article YOU linked: the phrase "The Bush Doctrine" refers to several things.
    1) Rejecting Kyoto protocol. Meaning est. Jun 2001
    2) "With us or against us on terrorism". Meaning est. 9/20/01
    3) Doctrine of pre-emptive war. Meaning est. Sept 2002, right before Iraq war
    4) Spread democracy throughout world. Meaning est. 2005


    And now I say to you "the Bush Doctrine, enunciated September 2002, before the Iraq War".
    Which meaning is it?


    Your link compl
  79. Profile photo of almightybob1
    almightybob1 Male 18-29
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    October 16, 2010 at 12:30 am
    ... completely undermined your own point. Nice one.


    Incidentally, how are you getting on with the spreadsheet of lies I provided at your request?
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    almightybob1 Male 18-29
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    October 16, 2010 at 12:33 am
    davy, that was pretty funny. I already like disliking her. I`ll look into her more.
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    davymid Male 30-39
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    October 16, 2010 at 12:39 am
    Bob, don`t pay too much attention to Ollie. I offer a link, you might have to back a few pages to get the full story. On Climate Change, on this case.

    Journalist Hack masquerading as Scientist
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    davymid Male 30-39
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    October 16, 2010 at 12:48 am
    As it is, though, the only way you can cover your fail is to hit Delete Post.
    Gotta love being accused of censorship, before it happens. Censorship that will never happen. Seeing as we Delete Posts and all.

    F*ck you Ollie. Nice try at baiting, but not how we roll. Never has been, never will be. Full marks for effort though. Keep trying.
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    almightybob1 Male 18-29
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    October 16, 2010 at 12:53 am
    I remember that link davy, but I think I missed the debate. Always fun to watch a real scientist demonstrate exactly what the pseudo-scientists lack.

    That`s possibly the single most frustrating aspect of internet debates - you call someone on their BS and completely counter their argument (for example, providing a spreadsheet when Ollie asks for JUST ONE THING Beck`s said that isn`t true). And unlike a real debate, they can just ignore it and disappear from the thread, never having to either construct a response or admit that they just got their ass handed to them.

    And then in the next thread they pull out the same arguments you just completely refuted, and you have to start all over again.
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    symmachus Male 30-39
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    October 16, 2010 at 2:44 am
    @almightybob1: This goes back to the issue of people thinking that because everyone has the right to speak, that their ideas have the same validity. Like I said in my first post (yeah, I don`t post much) this imbalanced debate is like a morbidly obese person claiming that his running results are just as valid as an experienced track athlete. All of these ravings come down to a nasty rash of anti-intellectualism.
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    symmachus Male 30-39
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    October 16, 2010 at 2:56 am
    "Beck is one of their most hated targets because he is effective, He educates people and wakes them up. That makes him seem dangerous to liberals, Because they`d rather have willingly ignorant sheeple to lead around than a well informed public."

    Gotta love the reverse argument. "Yeah you`se people who espouse edumuhkatshun are making sheeple" Be free people of the West! Become ignorant!
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    symmachus Male 30-39
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    October 16, 2010 at 3:04 am
    Hey OldOllie, so stunning your interpretation of what is "civilized" behaviour. You`re reaffirming the idea that crazies up in the Kush Mountains are closely related to the crazies crying along with Senor Beck. Please be neutered.
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    CrakrJak Male 40-49
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    October 16, 2010 at 3:27 am
    They are just hatin` on Beck & O`Reilly because they are massively popular, Much more so than the lame liberals they listen too.

    Glenn Beck - 2,178,000 viewers
    vs.
    Hardball w/ C. Matthews - 652,000 viewers

    The O`Reilly Factor - 4,165,000 viewers
    vs.
    Countdown w/ K. Olbermann - 1,253,000 viewers

    So go fly a kite liberals, The American public isn`t buying your baloney anymore.
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    5Cats Male 50-59
    32825 posts
    October 16, 2010 at 6:11 am
    Did Anyone ask Obama about HIS religous beliefs? Anyone, even once? Or about his loonatic pastor he spent 20 years in the pews listening to?
    No? And why not? Because the MSM conspired to avoid that land-mine issue. Obama even denied ever hearing his lunacy, what was he doing in the pews for 20 years? Snoozing?

    So yes, if you attack ONE SIDE constantly you`ll eventaly `get a hit` and can tarnish that person. I love your support of unfair and biased media guys, it must warm your liberal hearts no end!

    Seriously, Sarah Palin?
    Two words guys: Joe Biden: Vice President (that`s a Joe Biden joke y`all!)
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    jtrebowski Male 40-49
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    October 16, 2010 at 6:16 am
    Crakrjak: The simple fact is that we don`t need pundits to give us our talking points. We think for ourselves. Thanks for playing, though!
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    JUGGALETTEx0 Female 18-29
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    October 16, 2010 at 8:08 am
    Heyyy....did you guys know that not all Republicans are xians who love Glenn Beck?
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    pumba62 Male 40-49
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    October 16, 2010 at 8:53 am
    CrakrJak ...people tune in to watch Beck and O`Reilly for the same reason people tuned into Seinfeld every week to get a good belly laugh.
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    CrakrJak Male 40-49
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    October 16, 2010 at 10:50 am
    jtrebowski: So you`re one of those free range thinkers eh ? Well you`re pecking at the wrong seed.
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    davymid Male 30-39
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    October 16, 2010 at 11:43 am
    Crakrjak: "They are just hatin` on Beck & O`Reilly because they are massively popular, Much more so than the lame liberals they listen too... Stats... So go fly a kite liberals, The American public isn`t buying your baloney anymore."

    ------

    Yup. And the most popular daily newspaper in the UK is the tabloid "The Sun". Nearly 8 million daily readers, ahead of the next most popular at 5 million (source). Incidentally, run by Rupert Murdoch, the same conservative media mogul who runs Fox.

    Pointing out the number of people who watch/read a media source as testimony to that source`s veracity is a bit silly.

    Heck, most Americans don`t believe in evolution. Doesn`t necessarily make that true either.

    p.s. It`s The Onion, dude.
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    ZNaught Male 13-17
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    October 16, 2010 at 12:07 pm
    @davymid: But knowing what the public watches gives a good view on what they actually believe.
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    moefreak Female 18-29
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    October 16, 2010 at 4:01 pm
    Ooh, kind of a harsh joke. I`ve moved on from hating Beck into just genuinely being worried about him. I mean the man is not completely sane, and this is my semi-professional opinion as a psychology student.
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    CrakrJak Male 40-49
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    October 16, 2010 at 7:00 pm
    davymid: When certain media sources obviously have a liberal bias and don`t even try to be `balanced` they loose their audience. That lost audience then seeks better media sources. So Yes, Audience matters, In many ways.

    The problem with liberal thought about conservatives is they dismiss them as `rednecks`, `hicks`, `uneducated`, `misled`, etc. What liberals don`t know is that conservatives have been educating themselves about politics and liberal tactics separate from Fox News and talk radio.

    That is what liberals fear most, Well educated and versed conservatives that do not conform to the stereotype insults that liberals routinely use. Liberals have over played the `racist`, `bigot`, `fascist`, and `redneck` cards and it`s going kick back on them like a mule this November 2nd.
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    OldOllie Male 60-69
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    October 16, 2010 at 8:13 pm
    bob, I checked your "spreadsheet" (actually an IMAGE file, which makes it a pain in the @$$ to check since you can`t C&P), and it`s typical lift-wing smear-and-slander fare. Most of the items fall into 1 of 3 categories: 1) opinions, 2) nitpicking details, and 3) stuff that`s actually true.

    Take the first one. This falls under nitpicking details, i.e., whether Van Jones went to jail or prison for his role in fomenting the Rodney King riots. It doesn`t refute the facts that Jones is an admitted communist, he signed a Truther petition accusing the USA of causing 9/11, and he was totally unqualified to be any kind of czar except that he shares Obama`s Marxist beliefs. The fact the the government of San Francisco handed over some taxpayer dollars to a fellow traveler does nothing to bolster the veracity of the claim against Beck.

    Next item: Vancouver Olympics cost over $1billion. That one falls under the category of stuff that`s actually true. (Google it.)
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    OldOllie Male 60-69
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    October 16, 2010 at 8:30 pm
    #3 Chicago had to shut down the government for several days due to a fiscal crunch. Okay, they only had to shut down MOST government services, and it was for only 3 days, not "several." Nitpicking details.
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    OldOllie Male 60-69
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    October 16, 2010 at 8:32 pm
    #4, the Cash for Clunkers web site taking over your computer. Here is actual text copied and pasted from the Cash for Clunkers web site. You had to agree to these terms in order to complete an application:

    "This application provides access to the DoT CARS system. When logged on to the CARS system, your computer is considered a Federal computer system and is property of the U.S. Government.

    Any or all use of this system and all files on this system may be intercepted, monitored, recorded, copied, audited, inspected, and disclosed to authorized CARS, DoT, and law enforcement personnel, as well as authorized officials of other agencies, both domestic and foreign."

    Numerous users reported getting virus and spyware alerts from the site, and some anti virus software blocked the site as a threat.

    Another one that`s actually true.

    The level of the threat may or may not have been exaggerated by Beck; if it was, it would fall under nitpick
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    OldOllie Male 60-69
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    October 16, 2010 at 8:34 pm
    Okay, bob, your left-wing slander site just went 0 for 4. I think that`s bad enough for us all to consider it totally discredited.

    Sorry, you lose, but thanks for playing our game.
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    almightybob1 Male 18-29
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    October 16, 2010 at 9:03 pm
    Oh, you did come back to them. Fun fun.

    This falls under nitpicking details, i.e., whether Van Jones went to jail or prison for his role in fomenting the Rodney King riots.

    Actually, saying something that isn`t true is what a lie IS.
    Imagine if I said "OldOllie was sent to prison", when in fact, you had only spent a short time in jail before being released. They`re VERY different - you can be held in jail without being charged of any crime. If you`re in prison, you`ve been found guilty.

    The only explanation for me making such a mistake would be that I didn`t know what the hell I was talking about (hardly a good defence of Beck) or that I was lying.

    To call it "nitpicking" when someone calls the man on stating an untruth just shows you really don`t give a crap about the truth.
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    almightybob1 Male 18-29
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    October 16, 2010 at 9:09 pm

    Jones is an admitted communist
    Irrelevant, and not illegal. Besides, rebutted in item #7 on the list - he has since written in a published book that "capitalism is the only system that can save us". Clearly you didn`t take the time to read this one.

    he signed a Truther petition accusing the USA of causing 9/11
    Irrelevant, and not illegal. Besides, rebutted in item #8 on the list - the petition was a call for further investigation, not an accusation. Clearly you didn`t read this one either.

    and he was totally unqualified to be any kind of czar except that he shares Obama`s Marxist beliefs
    Irrelevant, and not illegal.


    You`re missing the point completely. Beck essentially accused Van Jones of being an ex-convict, which he is not. That is called a lie. You asked for a lie. I provided one. Done.


    Let`s move on to the others for overkill anyway.
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    almightybob1 Male 18-29
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    October 16, 2010 at 9:29 pm
    "Next item: Vancouver Olympics cost over $1billion. That one falls under the category of stuff that`s actually true. (Google it.)"

    I did. Source: Privately funded budget of C$1.7bn, govt spending of C$580m on venues and C$900m on security. Assuming he was only concerned with government spending, that gives a total of C$1.48bn, which converts to USD 1.465bn. 46% more than Beck claimed.

    So again, he`s either ignorant or lying.



    This is fun.

    I agree with your assessment that #3 is fairly trivial, but are we excusing hyperbole? It`s a type of lie. Or is that too nitpicky (which seems to excuse any truth-seeking tha
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    almightybob1 Male 18-29
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    October 16, 2010 at 9:32 pm
    Regarding #4: I think the part he considered a lie was the "taking over your computer" bit. But you may be right - I don`t know that much about this particular one. I`ll be generous and write that off in your favour too.

    So that`s at worst 2 for 4. Not considering the rest of the 20 or so, because you clearly stopped reading.

    And anyway, all you asked for was one. Remember this?

    Alright, here`s a challenge to ALL of you psycho Beck haters. Name one thing, JUST ONE THING, that he has said that isn`t true, and back it up or STFU!

    You asked for JUST ONE THING. I`ve definitely provided at least 2, and possibly many more. Your attempts to brush them aside as "nitpicking" are weak as hell and indicate that you never cared about the truth to begin with. I did what you asked, and you cannot refute it.

    You lose, sir. Good day.
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    OldOllie Male 60-69
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    October 16, 2010 at 9:46 pm
    So, even if I concede your points in defense of your liberal hate site, you still admit that HALF the stuff they posted is BS.

    BTW $1.465 billion actually is more than $1 billion.

    And while it may be irrelevant to you, putting unqualified Marxist truthers in positions of power in the administration by circumventing the Senate confirmation process actually IS relevant to me.
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    alikabul Male 18-29
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    October 16, 2010 at 9:48 pm
    F onion! Why the F do you keep posting this stuff??? Are they paying you?
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    almightybob1 Male 18-29
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    October 16, 2010 at 10:35 pm
    So, even if I concede your points in defense of your liberal hate site, you still admit that HALF the stuff they posted is BS.
    No, just half of the first 4. And not that they`re BS - neither of us said #3 was BS, just that it was fairly trivial.

    BTW $1.465 billion actually is more than $1 billion.
    Irrelevant. You asked for proof of a lie. There it is. It doesn`t matter whether he was over or under.

    And while it may be irrelevant to you, putting unqualified Marxist truthers in positions of power in the administration by circumventing the Senate confirmation process actually IS relevant to me.
    But it is irrelevant to the subject we were talking about, which was your challenge "provide JUST ONE THING Glen Beck has lied about".
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    CrakrJak Male 40-49
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    October 16, 2010 at 11:42 pm
    Bob, That so-called spreadsheet is mostly opinion, nitpicking, and outright lies itself.

    Also, A great portion of those charges aren`t even sourced. In fact this looks a lot like it was copied and pasted from another website(s) (Likely a liberal blog) to disguise it`s source. Why would someone disguise the original source ?

    I`m thinking the source was disguised because the source has either been discredited, The website no longer exists, or this is a case of plagiarism.

    Anyone can make a spreadsheet like this and disguise the authorship of the claims and themselves.
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    davymid Male 30-39
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    October 16, 2010 at 11:42 pm
    But it is irrelevant to the subject we were talking about, which was your challenge "provide JUST ONE THING Glen Beck has lied about".
    Sorry Ollie, but he`s kinda got you there. Extraordinary claims demand extraordinary evidence, as the saying goes. You asked for *one* thing Beck has lied about, Bob provided several.

    Or to put it another way, your extraordinary claim is that Glenn Beck has never told a lie. If no lie he ever told could be found, then indeed you would have extraordinary evidence. Bob showed otherwise.

    Your argument is invalid. Don`t be so bold in future, and be careful what you claim. Someone might just call you out on your bullsh*t. Gotta watch that. Just my advice.
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    CrakrJak Male 40-49
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    October 16, 2010 at 11:52 pm
    davymid: I don`t think Ollie was claiming that Beck is infallible, No one is. The charges bob linked to are spurious at best and it`s authorship is unknown.

    If you or him approve of that sort of spreadsheet, Then I don`t want to hear anymore complaints about other conservatives sources, That would just be the height of hypocrisy.
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    davymid Male 30-39
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    October 16, 2010 at 11:52 pm
    On a lighter note, I`ve been delving into the liberal-conservative dichotomy recently, trying to understand why America in particular is so polarised.
    You know what I mean. Liberals claim the Conservative are right-wing neo-nazi racist religious bigots (bullsh*t).Conservatives claim the Liberals are lying marxist commie bleeding-heart hippies (likewise, bullsh*t).

    I would just like to offer some food for thought. Link here, from the TED conference series (look it up), the point very much being that we should stop positing ourselves against each other, and try more to understand each other`s point of view. It`s nearly 20 minutes long, but it`s worthwhile watching if you have the time. No agenda, no taking sides, very much in the spirit of understaing each other.

    Whatever, watch it if you like. As a liberal, I gained respect for the conservative point of view from watching it. Meh, I would post it on IAB if it was shorter and had more nutshots.
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    davymid Male 30-39
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    October 16, 2010 at 11:53 pm
    Anyways, intelligent IABers (all here present, best I can tell), the link is here. I encourage and urge us political commenters here to watch it.

    http://www.ted.com/talks/lang/eng/jonathan_haidt_on_the_moral_mind.html
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    CrakrJak Male 40-49
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    October 17, 2010 at 12:01 am
    Jonathan Haidt, Thinks Conservatives are hereditarily brain damaged. In his own words:
    What makes people vote Republican? Why in particular do working class and rural Americans usually vote for pro-business Republicans when their economic interests would seem better served by Democratic policies? We psychologists have been examining the origins of ideology ever since Hitler sent us Germany`s best psychologists, and we long ago reported that strict parenting and a variety of personal insecurities work together to turn people against liberalism, diversity, and progress. But now that we can map the brains, genes, and unconscious attitudes of conservatives, we have refined our diagnosis: conservatism is a partially heritable personality trait that predisposes some people to be cognitively inflexible, fond of hierarchy, and inordinately afraid of uncertainty, change, and death.
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    CrakrJak Male 40-49
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    October 17, 2010 at 12:09 am
    Anyone that believes like Jonathan Haidt, That conservatives are somehow genetically deficient are setting up an ideology not unlike Hitler used against the Jews.

    Sorry, But that ideology is not only false but also dangerous.
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    davymid Male 30-39
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    October 17, 2010 at 12:20 am
    Crakr, the link I posted was making the point that we should understand each other`s viewpoint. I guess it fell on deaf ears. Really, it`s worth watching. No agenda there, best I can tell.

    It must be hard to feel beset on all sides from Liberals/Leftists/ Progressives/Atheists/Scientists/ Hippies, or whatever your Boogy-man of the day might be. I only asked you you watch a video that advocates balance. Your special kind of paranoia is nothing I`ve ever experienced, personally. I`ll recind the snide comment I was about to post about pitying you, and just say I don`t understand you, as I`ve never personally experienced your position of being besieged on all sides.

    Dude, not trying to score points. Sincerely.
  116. Profile photo of CrakrJak
    CrakrJak Male 40-49
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    October 17, 2010 at 12:20 am
    Let`s further analyze that last paragraph of Haidt`s we have refined our diagnosis: conservatism is a partially heritable personality trait that predisposes some people to be cognitively inflexible, fond of hierarchy, and inordinately afraid of uncertainty, change, and death.

    In layman`s terms what he means is `We have guessed that conservatives are inbred genetically to be rednecks, That are stubborn, authoritative, and paranoid of the unknown, change, and death`

    He just used a bunch of psychiatric terminology to cover up his offensive bigoted bullsh|t.
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    davymid Male 30-39
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    October 17, 2010 at 12:23 am
    Crakr, since posting that, I read your comments. If Haidt is who you said he is, then I TOTALLY recind my previous comments on linking to him. Had no idea. I`ll research that further, and thanks for the heads-up.
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    CrakrJak Male 40-49
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    October 17, 2010 at 12:37 am
    davymid: With writing like his, That I just quoted. I have doubts if he wants `Balance`. He wants conservatives to bend to liberal will. It`s not that conservatives are leaning more to the right these days, We`ve held the same basic views for decades. It`s the liberals that have moved, and they`ve moved much farther to the left than they were even in the 1970`s.
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    CrakrJak Male 40-49
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    October 17, 2010 at 12:38 am
    An example:

    If liberals and conservatives were closer, at one time, then they are now that would look kind of like this. L=Liberal avg. view, C=Conservative avg view, The *= the Average of both views.

    <----------L-*-C---------->
    <-------L--*--C----------->
    <-----L---*--C------------>
    <--L----*---C------------->

    This is what has happened over the years, liberals continue to go farther and farther to the left, While conservatives have tried to remain where they are. The result is that the conservatives of today are not much different than the liberals of 40 years ago, But now the gap is much larger and the average of both is bent much further to the left.
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    Microchemist Male 18-29
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    October 17, 2010 at 12:59 am
    I don`t really consider myself supportive of any "political party", but consider this: Why would our "founding fathers" have created a system of government designed to be able to change and improve just so we could try to keep everything the same. Pure conservatism is like pure communism: it looks great on paper, but there are too many variables that muck it up in reality.
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    Wizard77 Male 40-49
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    October 17, 2010 at 2:15 am
    All the esoteric talk aside, it still seems pretty twisted to wish some guy would die in various horrible ways just because you disagree with him.

    I think GW did tremendous damage to the constitution and Habeas corpus as well as our economy. I do not want him to die in some grizly manner.
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    almightybob1 Male 18-29
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    October 17, 2010 at 6:28 am
    Bob, That so-called spreadsheet is mostly opinion, nitpicking, and outright lies itself.
    Even if 55 out of the 56 (yes, I counted) items are lies, if one of them is correct, then I have done what Ollie asked and provided JUST ONE THING that Glenn Beck has lied about.

    Also, A great portion of those charges aren`t even sourced. In fact this looks a lot like it was copied and pasted from another website(s) (Likely a liberal blog) to disguise it`s source. Why would someone disguise the original source ?

    But most of them are. Unfortunately not with clickable links, but the tinyurl links will lead you to sources for each Glenn Beck statement, or the source of the rebuttal respectively.
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    almightybob1 Male 18-29
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    October 17, 2010 at 6:35 am
    The website I found it on is called glennbeckreport.com, and was the first one that came up when I googled "Glenn Beck lies". Obviously it is a liberal blog, a conservative is hardly going to compile a list of his lies are they.

    This next bit is something you really need to get into your head CJ, because it`s a crucial element of the scientific process and I think if you understood it, it would really help you: It doesn`t matter WHO wrote it, it only matters that WHAT they wrote is true and that they provide sufficient evidence to demonstrate that truth.

    The website has not been discredited, is still maintained (last update was 14th October 2010). The authors have not disguised their claims, or themselves - they write their own names on the website in their "challenge to Glenn Beck" section.
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    almightybob1 Male 18-29
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    October 17, 2010 at 6:40 am
    I don`t think Ollie was claiming that Beck is infallible, No one is. The charges bob linked to are spurious at best and it`s authorship is unknown.
    Yes, he was. That is implicit in the JUST ONE THING statement - find me a lie by Beck, I bet you can`t!
    Its authorship is not unknown, as I point out below. The charges are not spurious, that`s just a hand-waving term to dismiss the fact that Beck has been caught in several lies when Ollie claimed he has not.

    If you or him approve of that sort of spreadsheet, Then I don`t want to hear anymore complaints about other conservatives sources, That would just be the height of hypocrisy.

    Almost all the time, the person complaining about the biasedness of sources is you CJ.
    I approve of this spreadsheet because on almost all of the points, it provides tinyurl sources as evidence to support its many claims. All I needed was one.
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    5Cats Male 50-59
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    October 17, 2010 at 10:09 am
    I was thinking of complaining how this tread has strayed off topic... but this is good reading!

    I totally agree with your chart there CrackJak! IMHO the biggest reason for the current political polarization is the swing to the far left by the liberals, as evidenced by Obama surrounding himself with avowed Marxists, Maoists and other leftist lunatics.
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    davymid Male 30-39
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    October 17, 2010 at 10:21 am
    Crakr, since posting that, I read your comments. If Haidt is who you said he is, then I TOTALLY recind my previous comments on linking to him. Had no idea. I`ll research that further, and thanks for the heads-up.
    Yeah, so had to go to bed last night. After reading up more on Haidt`s central thesis, I do NOT recind my previous link to him.

    He is not a liberalist ideologue. He is advocating that liberals take a closer look at conservative values, to understand them better, rather than polarising ourselves one against each other. I urge you to watch the link I provided (in its entirety), though I`m guessing you won`t.
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    davymid Male 30-39
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    October 17, 2010 at 10:31 am
    This is what has happened over the years, liberals continue to go farther and farther to the left, While conservatives have tried to remain where they are. The result is that the conservatives of today are not much different than the liberals of 40 years ago, But now the gap is much larger and the average of both is bent much further to the left.
    I disagree entirely. What you define as American "liberals" (Cats calls them Marxists and Maoists, LMAO) are in a similar position to what the vast majority of the developed world throughout Europe, Canada and Australia would still be called a moderately conservative position. Look, I can redraw your graphic (based as it is on personal opinion), just as easily, thus:
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    davymid Male 30-39
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    October 17, 2010 at 10:31 am
    L=Liberal avg. view, C=Conservative avg view, The *= the Average of both views.

    <----------L-*-C---------->
    <-----------L--*--C------->
    <------------L--*---C----->
    <-------------L---*----T-->

    That point where "C" turns to "T" stands for Tea Party.
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    CrakrJak Male 40-49
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    October 17, 2010 at 11:12 am
    davy: You need some serious help with your history. Progressivism, aka Liberalism has been advancing steadily to the left for several decades.

    If you go back to John F. Kennedy`s speeches you`ll see that most of his ideas are not unlike the current conservative position. Do you seriously think liberals have been dragged to the right ? or that conservatives want to reel the clock back to the 1900s ? If so you are entirely wrong.

    I`m also not going to to listen to Haidt after his claim of conservative`s being hereditarily brain damaged. That`s just wrong and insulting.
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    OldOllie Male 60-69
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    October 17, 2010 at 11:12 am
    Just to clear things up, I never said Glenn Beck was "infallible." I said he wasn`t a LIAR -- big difference. None of the things posted on bob`s spreadsheet qualifies as a lie, i.e., a deliberate deception about a matter of substance.

    What he listed were either false accusations i.e., what Beck said was actually true, or they were trifling details of no substance.

    Example: whether Van Jones went to prison or jail may be substantial when taken all by itself, but in the contest of the fact that he is a radical Marxist Truther who was appointed by the president as the "Green Jobs Czar" -- a position of considerable power for which he had not one single qualification and was not subject to the Senate confirmation process -- it becomes a trifling detail. Honestly, could this be the one fact that changes someone`s opinion of Jones from positive to negative? Such a claim is clearly absurd. (cont.)

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    CrakrJak Male 40-49
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    October 17, 2010 at 11:17 am
    almightybob1: It doesn`t matter WHO wrote it, it only matters that WHAT they wrote is true and that they provide sufficient evidence to demonstrate that truth.

    I`ll be sure to re-quote that back at you when you eventually Say to me, Or anyone else, That the source matters.
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    OldOllie Male 60-69
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    October 17, 2010 at 11:27 am
    Of course Beck makes mistakes. He`s has thousands of hours of programming and thousands of pathetic liberals haters poring over his every word trying to come up with a "gotcha" moment. But mistakes are not lies.

    Let me give you some examples of mistakes and lies.

    When Obama said that if we passed the "stimulus," unemployment would not go over 8%, that was a mistake, since he probably believed it, and I can`t prove otherwise.

    When Bill Clinton, Madeline Albright, Al Gore, Hillary Clinton, John Kerry, Ted Kennedy, Carl Levin, Tom Daschle, and Nancy Pelosi all said Saddam had WMD, they weren`t lying; they actually believed it. However, when they all later accused Bush of lying for saying the exact same thing, THAT was lying.

    When the DNC accused the Chamber of Commerce of "stealing our democracy" by using foreign donations to fund political ads when they knew there was not a single shred of evidence to support the claim,
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    OldOllie Male 60-69
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    October 17, 2010 at 11:28 am
    ...THAT was a lie.
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    davymid Male 30-39
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    October 17, 2010 at 11:34 am
    I`m also not going to to listen to Haidt after his claim of conservative`s being hereditarily brain damaged. That`s just wrong and insulting.
    I agree. That`s not his thesis. His thesis is that that is the way liberals tend to think of conservatives. Just as conservatives tend to think of liberals as "pathetic" (thanks Ollie, didn`t have to look far for a counterpoint). Haidt challenges this and urges us to understand the others side`s view.

    But whatever. You`ve made your mind up, fair enough. I`m off to play xbox.
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    CrakrJak Male 40-49
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    October 17, 2010 at 12:25 pm
    davy: Yes, That is one of his theses. Source

    Right at the top of that article. Sorry, But his radical view on that alone negates any thesis on `balance` or `subjectivity` he claims others should have.
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    CrakrJak Male 40-49
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    October 17, 2010 at 12:32 pm
    Ollie is correct, There is a difference between a mistake and a lie. You can`t elevate a mistake to a lie without proof of malice or intent to deceive.

    This latest attempt by Obama, With the accusations about the Chamber of Commerce, Is a straw doll distraction meant to misdirect attention away from his own failures, Thus it is a lie.
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    OldOllie Male 60-69
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    October 17, 2010 at 1:02 pm
    Davy, I don`t think of all liberals as pathetic haters. I do apply that term to guys who sit around in their mothers` basements listening hour after hour of Glenn Beck and other conservatives trying to find something -- ANYTHING -- that they can misconstrue as a lie. These left-wing hate sites like the one bob cited don`t just create themselves. There are actually people who devote their entire LIVES to this poo, and THAT`S pathetic.
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    almightybob1 Male 18-29
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    October 17, 2010 at 3:07 pm
    None of the things posted on bob`s spreadsheet qualifies as a lie, i.e., a deliberate deception about a matter of substance.


    Haha, fantastic. You`re now:
    a) Claiming telepathy - how do you know Beck made mistakes and not lies? Unless you`re a mindreader, you cannot know whether he was aware of the facts. Nobody can. All we have to go on is what he says.
    Incidentally, if someone says "I know X is true" when the truth is "I do not know whether X is true or not", that is still a lie.
    b) redefining your question to make it impossible for me (since I do not claim telepathy) to disprove it. I can never demonstrate that Beck knew something because I cannot read his mind, therefore I cannot prove he is lying, ever. Anything he EVER says that later turns out to be not true, you can just say "he didn`t know it wasn`t true", and you`re not counting that as a lie. That is what you`re saying.
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    almightybob1 Male 18-29
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    October 17, 2010 at 3:09 pm
    This latest attempt by Obama, With the accusations about the Chamber of Commerce, Is a straw doll distraction meant to misdirect attention away from his own failures, Thus it is a lie.

    Applying OldOllieDefence: Maybe Obama just didn`t KNOW that. So it was just a mistake, not a lie. Ta-daa!

    Do you see how pathetically weak that defence is?
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    almightybob1 Male 18-29
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    October 17, 2010 at 3:27 pm
    And, to top it all off, let`s have a little look at the VERY NEXT item on the list, #5 - conveniently just where Ollie stopped.

    Glenn Beck claimed on his show that a survey showed that 45% of doctors would quit if the healthcare reform was passed.

    He was wrong. 45% of the replies were that they would CONSIDER quitting. "Maybe" is not the same as "yes".
    Incidentally, the response rate was barely over 5% (1376/25000 = 0.5504).

    So Beck was wrong. A mistake, you will no doubt claim.
    But he got the percentage, 45%, EXACTLY right. So he must have read the report. But he then deliberately lied about it with the intent to deceive - which is exactly Ollie`s and CJ`s new lie constraints.

    So, yet AGAIN, I have fulfilled the challe
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    almightybob1 Male 18-29
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    October 17, 2010 at 3:28 pm
    ...

    So, yet AGAIN, I have fulfilled the challenge you set me, even after you shift the goalposts. And we`re only on #5 of 56. Concede yet?
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    almightybob1 Male 18-29
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    October 17, 2010 at 4:04 pm
    I`ll be sure to re-quote that back at you when you eventually Say to me, Or anyone else, That the source matters.

    Please do. But before you do, please make sure the source actually DOES fulfil the second part of the sentence first.
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    Spider_sol Male 18-29
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    October 17, 2010 at 6:00 pm
    Damn, this seems to keep happening. When oh when will it finally be Glenn`s time??
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    ihatekevin Female 18-29
    166 posts
    October 17, 2010 at 9:41 pm
    Does it matter if you don`t like the guy? Wishing death on anyone is pathetic.
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    davymid Male 30-39
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    October 18, 2010 at 12:55 am
    Does it matter if you don`t like the guy? Wishing death on anyone is pathetic.
    True. It`s The Onion though. I doubt very much if anyone here genuinely wishes he would die, despite the bullish macho comments otherwise that any teenager can make on the internet.

    Personally speaking, if I saw Glenn Beck on fire, I`d (genuinely) wrestle him to the ground and try to put the flames out, even though I might get burned. I`d do the same for any human being. And I believe (or hope) that any good person would do the same.
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    xelous Male 18-29
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    October 18, 2010 at 1:52 am
    @5Cats
    What does it matter what his (Obama) religious beliefs are?
    The bill of right`s clearly states that (and if you`re slow that`s ok because it`s the very First Amendment so you wont have to read much); "The (first) amendment prohibits the making of any law "respecting an establishment of religion", impeding the free exercise of religion...". I mean so long as he`s not blowing up buses, taking multiple wives, or raping young boys then there`s no reason to even make that an issue. Unless you`re not very bright and eat everything that is fed to you through the very biased media. If you`re going to blindly hate a person at least bother to know what you`re talking about so you can make a valid and convincing point instead of just looking like a fool.
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    xelous Male 18-29
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    October 18, 2010 at 2:00 am
    Oh wait, I guess for some conservatives that last one(raping young boys) isn`t so bad after all. The church can`t be wrong so a light slap on the wrist would make that one ok right? Maybe a suspension with pay or a reassigning would make that one just fine in your eyes.
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    5Cats Male 50-59
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    October 18, 2010 at 5:29 am
    vv My point (and I do have one) is that NO ONE in the MSM asked about Obama`s religious beliefs, but spent many MANY hours complaining and attacking Palin over hers. In fact the MSM `reporters` conspired to hide unsavory facts about Obama, deliberatly smearing his opponents with lies.

    Conservatives (and Yes I speak for all of us /sarc) believe child molesters should be put down like rabid dogs. It`s LIBERALS who think they should be `rehabilitated` and such.

    The Catholic Church has a lot to answer for.
    Sheltering and protecting known child molesters is immoral (and illegal!) and heads should roll for doing so.
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    Suicism Male 18-29
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    October 18, 2010 at 5:38 pm
    F*ck you Onion.
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    OldOllie Male 60-69
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    October 18, 2010 at 10:54 pm
    bob, the "OldOllieDefence" doesn`t work for defending the DNC. They KNEW that there was NO EVIDENCE WHATSOEVER to support their slander. It`s as if I called you a child molester, and then challenged you to disprove the charge. That`s EXACTLY what the DNC did to the C of C.

    And regarding the 5th charge, once a source like yours has been thoroughly discredited, I can no longer take their accusations seriously. I`m going to have to see the entire unedited segment of the show when Beck talked about this. For all I know, he DID describe the poll accurately, and these dickholes are lying about what he said. Their word is no good with me, so I won`t bother to refute their accusations.

    It`s just like davey`s graph of temperature data. The Climategate emails proved that data were falsified. We know they cherry-picked data to support their preconceived conclusion, excluded contradictory data, and destroyed the evidence, so you can`t trust ANYTHING they say.
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    almightybob1 Male 18-29
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    October 20, 2010 at 9:36 pm
    That`s my point. How can you prove they KNEW that there was no evidence? Without mindreading, you can`t. Therefore the "it may have just been a mistake" defence is equally valid.

    And regarding my source - you don`t have to trust it. Here, let me Google it for you. Unless you think all 5 of those top hits misheard the show, then that`s more than enough evidence that he said what my source claimed. In which case, I was right. Again.

    And how can you know they destroyed evidence? If they destroyed it, then there would have been nothing there. You can`t point at an empty desk and say "see, this is proof they destroy evidence".
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    OldOllie Male 60-69
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    October 20, 2010 at 10:43 pm
    bob, the burden of proof lies in the affirmative. If you make an accusation, it is up to you to prove it. If you can`t, it is fair to assume that you never had any proof. No one is EVER required to prove his innocence.

    And regarding your sources, I don`t think all 5 "misheard" the show; more likely one of them lied about it, and the others are all repeating the same lie. Original source, or it didn`t happen.

    Regarding destroying evidence, how about this:

    "Can you delete any emails you may have had with Keith re AR4? Keith will do likewise. He`s not in at the moment - minor family crisis. Can you also email Gene and get him to do the same? I don`t have his new email address. We will be getting Caspar to do likewise."

    Oh, and this isn`t a baseless accusation from some anonymous blogger fapping in his mom`s basement. These actually are their own words.

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