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    DickenMcHunt Male 18-29
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    October 15, 2010 at 12:44 am
    Link: Changing Education Paradigms - A clever adaptation of a speech given by Sir Ken Robinson, world-renowned education and expert.
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    SPARTAKITTY Female 18-29
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    October 16, 2010 at 1:19 pm
    Great! The education system (at least in my area) sucks quite a bit right now.

    Can we buy these in poster form somewhere or what?
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    NoArms5534 Male 18-29
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    October 16, 2010 at 1:21 pm
    Pretty interesting. I feel like I share some of the same ideas,a s a teacher myself, but I`m a little fuzzy on his ideas of implementation.
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    MauserTM Male 18-29
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    October 16, 2010 at 1:40 pm
    Great, i learned a couple of things
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    Mogulman Male 18-29
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    October 16, 2010 at 1:54 pm
    Very interesting! I love this sort of video.
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    TokioKoos Female 18-29
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    October 16, 2010 at 2:00 pm
    `Ken Robinson, world renowned education and expert`. Wow, I had no idea it was possible to BE education nowadays... *eyeroll*
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    benbowles Male 13-17
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    October 16, 2010 at 2:14 pm
    Saw this a few days ago. Really interesting, great animation
    I seem to be 3-5 days ahead of 60% of IAB`s content at the moment. Really odd.
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    Baalthazaq Male 18-29
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    October 16, 2010 at 2:30 pm
    This is excellent.
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    xelous Male 18-29
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    October 16, 2010 at 2:33 pm
    I don`t know which is better.
    The speech or the awesome whiteboard work.
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    Jowsh Male 18-29
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    October 16, 2010 at 2:48 pm
    Wow. Even though it is very easy to do so with videos like this, featuring the epitome of an amiable voice, I definitely agree with what he`s saying..
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    DixxyRarr Female 18-29
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    October 16, 2010 at 2:49 pm
    I loved this. I love this guy`s voice. Sexy, smooth and smart. I could listen to him all day long.

    If I only had my Focusin...
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    GRadde Male 18-29
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    October 16, 2010 at 2:50 pm
    >NoArms
    Agreed, but it is very intriguing. ^^
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    InvaderTiger Female 18-29
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    October 16, 2010 at 2:53 pm
    @TokioKoos It says "...Ken Robinson, world-renowned education and creativity expert..." He is an education expert. Not education.
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    moefreak Female 18-29
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    October 16, 2010 at 2:58 pm
    Fascinating stuff. It really does make very little sense to have children separated into age groups, when age says very little about what you`re good at and what kind of learner you are. Cool animation as well.

    I don`t think, though, that any psychologists are debating the very existence of ADHD. It is almost certainly overdiagnosed and overmedicated, but it is definitely a real condition. It`s highly hereditary, and is reflected in physical brain structure.
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    Fatninja01 Male 30-39
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    October 16, 2010 at 3:03 pm
    Wow, when some one is right they are right!
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    greguire Male 18-29
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    October 16, 2010 at 3:09 pm
    wait, so this was just a giant iphone app add????
    i want that drawing at 10:44 as a tattoo though! hahaha
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    shadowarrior Male 18-29
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    October 16, 2010 at 3:18 pm
    that was very good.
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    Durrell Male 18-29
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    October 16, 2010 at 3:28 pm
    i`ve looked at teaching in different capacities as a career. i`m going to have to take this video to my team and show it to them. this is amazing stuff. There wasn`t a word I don`t agree with and i feel like this should be implemented both in the grade school and postsecondary levels
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    xiquiripat Male 18-29
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    October 16, 2010 at 4:06 pm
    Great post. It`s certainly something to think about.
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    DickenMcHunt Male 18-29
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    October 16, 2010 at 5:02 pm
    @TokioKoos

    The full description was truncated and unfortunately the grammar was not corrected. Sorry.
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    Stelly Male 30-39
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    October 16, 2010 at 5:56 pm
    I`ve always hated how you were labeled as "smart" for getting a college degree. Having a college degree just means you have the ability to study and pass an exam. I was one of the rare members of Mensa who dropped out of high school.

    I`ve been saying for years that society needs to go back to some sort of apprenticeship type of education.

    Pop Quiz: What do they call the guy who partied all throughout college, did just enough to keep from failing out, and barley passed his final exams?


    Doctor
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    Ranakamarth Male 18-29
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    October 16, 2010 at 6:13 pm
    I loved that; he is very creative! Also some good info was given.

    I can`t believe I actually sat through the entire video without once looking at the time or feeling bored. That is a good video
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    CrakrJak Male 40-49
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    October 16, 2010 at 6:29 pm
    Stelly you are onto something there, Today`s `apprenticeships` are actually now formed in technical schools. Tech schools have been on a study rise since the 1980`s, Instead of degrees they give out `certifications`. If you`ve ever had to have your new car fixed, It was likely a ASE certified mechanic that did it.

    A degree looks nice on a resume, But employers want experience more. Employers do not want to teach someone to do their job, They want them to already know how to do it and beyond. They want them to improve their company, Not just do an `adequate` job.
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    SvampeBob Male 18-29
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    October 16, 2010 at 6:40 pm
    nice post i wasn`t bored at all!
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    Volsunga Male 18-29
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    October 16, 2010 at 7:12 pm
    He made some interesting points, but his thesis was off. It is true that we are stuck in an industrial age system of education, but that`s already beginning to change due to the influx of technology. The problem is, he doesn`t understand the lateral thinking model. There`s only one right answer to every meaningful question. Lateral thinking comes in when you can find more than one path to that answer. Lateral thinking is more commonly known nowadays as a "hacker`s mindset" because that`s what kids who can think in this way well end up doing because they have no other avenue to exercise this skill.

    I really disagree with the whole "things should be less standardized" point because that`s when you get people being taught creationism in school. What we need is standardization at a younger age, so people don`t get disillusioned by everything they learn in elementary school being lies.
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    dude21862004 Male 18-29
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    October 16, 2010 at 7:17 pm
    These are always my favorite posts.
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    Blutdurstig Female 18-29
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    October 16, 2010 at 8:36 pm
    That was a very fast 11 minutes. O-O

    A+
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    OldOllie Male 60-69
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    October 16, 2010 at 9:07 pm
    The single worst thing about public education (with, perhaps, the exception of teachers` unions) is age grouping. Can anything be more unlike the real world?

    "So, it`s your first day on the job, is it?"

    "Yes."

    "How old are you?"

    "37."

    "Let`s see, the 37-year-olds are all in room 208."

    "What are they all doing in there?"

    "Ahh...let me see...35, 36, 37, here we are -- logistics. The 37-year-olds are all doing logistics."

    "But I`m an electrical engineer."

    "Engineer, huh? Well...let`s have a look here...ah, the 34-year-olds are doing electrical engineering, so it looks like you missed that by 3 years. Don`t worry, though. The 43-year-olds are doing mechanical engineering, so if you can just hang in for another 6 years, you should be just fine."
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    davymid Male 30-39
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    October 16, 2010 at 9:12 pm
    I`ve always hated how you were labeled as "smart" for getting a college degree. Having a college degree just means you have the ability to study and pass an exam. I was one of the rare members of Mensa who dropped out of high school.
    Excellent point. I myself have a degree (First Class Honours with Distinction) in Geology, and a PhD in Geophysics. Hell, technically, I`m Dr. Davymid. People assume that that proves I`m extremely intelligent. In reality, all it proves is, that I know a lot about rocks.
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    CodeJockey Male 40-49
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    October 16, 2010 at 9:54 pm
    "...and a PhD in Geophysics. Hell, technically, I`m Dr. Davymid..."
    Remember that long-assed paper you presented so they`d give you that "D" in "PhD?"
    Not "technically." You ARE "Dr. Davymid." It`s a matter of your making people CALL YOU "Dr. Davymid" which will happen after you FEEL like a "Dr. Davymid" which, itself, will probably be right after you figure out what it is you wish to do with/for/about said rocks. Do you even like geology?

    What`s your theory? What are you making?
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    davymid Male 30-39
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    October 16, 2010 at 10:25 pm
    Not "technically." You ARE "Dr. Davymid." It`s a matter of your making people CALL YOU "Dr. Davymid" which will happen after you FEEL like a "Dr. Davymid"
    Sure, I feel like a Dr. Got my doctorate 8 years ago. But I never refer to myself, nor introduce myself, nor do I have on my business card "Dr.". My business card reads (real name withheld), Davymid, PhD.

    Do you even like geology?
    Of course I do. As a kid, I was the one picking up rocks on the seashore to take home. An understanding of the natural world (which goes beyond geology, extends very much to zoology, biology, climatology, cosmology) is the very essence of who I am. I more than like geology, I love it with a deep burning passion that defines who I am as a person. It`s my very soul.

    What`s your theory? What are you making?
    I don`t "make" anything. I use my skills and knowledge to find oil.
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    davymid Male 30-39
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    October 16, 2010 at 10:25 pm
    (sorry for double, ran out of characters)

    The only point I was making is that people assume people with degrees coming out of their yin-yang (myself included) are not necessarily *more intelligent* than your plumber, or the guy who lays your floors. My brother for example is a greenkeeper on a golf course. Took a different path in life than I did (the academic path). He is EVERY BIT (if not moreso) as intelligent as me.

    I like the way this clip challenges us to perceive the way we think about education. And this coming from a guy that very much benefitted from the kind of educational elitism which is pointed out in this clip as being a bit outdated.
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    aribowman Male 13-17
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    October 16, 2010 at 10:55 pm
    I like how Oregon, Idaho, and Washington are just one shapeless blob on the map. THANKS.
    And we have plenty of ADHD here on the west coas-- WOAH A SQUIRREL!
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    NitroJunkie Male 70 & Over
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    October 16, 2010 at 11:06 pm
    I agree with you entirely, davymid.
    I`m going back to school for my HVAC degree...one of those jobs you`d think is menial and blue-collar...and to a degree, it is. But I also have my degree in Nuclear Engineering. It`s just that I find the puzzle involved in fixing a complicated machine like an HVAC system to be as stimulating as you find rocks (which I am interested in, too...I love driving through the mountains and inspecting the layers in the cuts through the mountain). Nuclear engineering is interesting, but not as practical or useful where I live.

    Also, great video to watch after smoking a bowl.
    (Totally blew my credibility there...lol).
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    securitywyrm Male 18-29
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    October 17, 2010 at 1:31 am
    I`m going to Phoenix University to get my masters in business administration. It`s amazing how much we learn and get done in a class of 12 versus a class of 120.
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    thecurt Male 18-29
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    October 17, 2010 at 5:41 am
    Very interesting
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    FIRST_poster Male 18-29
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    October 17, 2010 at 7:52 am
    im impressed how this speech kept me focused.
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    pumba62 Male 40-49
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    October 17, 2010 at 8:15 am
    I agree 100% with this man.
    We, as humans, have grown as communities have become larger and our collective brain power has grown. Now that we are connected globally through telecommunications watch how fast things will develop.
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    kameo360fan Female 13-17
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    October 17, 2010 at 8:34 am
    THANK YOU! As a high school student, I agree fully with this man. I mean, by the time we get out of school, nothing I learned will be pratcical! More people than ever are getting great jobs based on their artistic capabilities rather than on their ability to solve math problems or what the concentration of a liquid is. It`s freaking ridiculous.
    This speech had put it all into perspective, and gives me a good fighting chance at shutting up adults who bitch about education.
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    Hylia Female 30-39
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    October 17, 2010 at 8:53 am
    This was a TED talk. Well I -think- this was a TED talk. It`s from Sir Ken Robinson which I admire greatly. This talk started so many debates with my friends, teachers and co-workers. He is absolutely right, but I wouldn`t know how we could change the model establish. Let me hunt down more from him (btw, I also think he is hilarious). Here:

    Complementary videos:

    Schools kill creativity

    Bring on the learning revolution!
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    CodeJockey Male 40-49
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    October 17, 2010 at 10:11 am
    Sorry for being so aggressive but, my own theory is not just about standardized, age sorted batch education.

    I think that the world is largely populated by people that have "someone else`s job" having taken a position strictly for employment`s sake.

    Cops that follow regulations like machines, making them much more suited to manufacturing and machine operators that can find things lost, making them better suited to investigation.

    Maybe I have an extremist`s perspective but, similar to what you described, I knew EXACTLY what I wanted to be when I was 10, in fact, on my 10th birthday.
    Formal education then seemed to do a lot to discourage my ever being anything even close.
    The bulk of what I use professionally came from informal self-education.
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    ranon Male 18-29
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    October 17, 2010 at 10:58 am
    The test for divergent thinking would score higher for kindergärtners as they do not know what is normally possible. As people grow older they get to know the possible and discard other theories. If they do not do that, the sheer volume of information is too much for the human brain.

    Now, the user posits that it is because of education. Well, my guess is that the trend would be the same even if you take uneducated children who have never gone to school.
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    RecycleElf Male 18-29
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    October 17, 2010 at 12:06 pm
    wat
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    madduck Female 50-59
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    October 17, 2010 at 1:21 pm
    I suspect I agree, but finding a workable model would not be easy. Secondly, while I agree that some people are smart in other ways that do badly in a standard model, we need to remember that some people are brighter than others- educated or not. How do we ensure that the best and the brightest are given the chance to excel? I agree that they are often let down by the current system- but it may be hard to ensure that any other model does not do a worse job.
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    idiotfilter Male 18-29
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    October 17, 2010 at 1:59 pm
    class of 3000 anyone?
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    shappy Male 18-29
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    October 17, 2010 at 7:03 pm
    REVOLUTION! it will come within 10 years, and when all the old pricks in government are dead after it society will flourish. drat the current government.
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    coedog Male 30-39
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    October 17, 2010 at 9:35 pm
    As an engineer and future educator, I say bull hockey. Yes, creativity is important, but so is hard science and knowledge. How many uses for this paper clip does not translate into how many uses for this bolt that holds a certain panel on the Airbus you`re riding in to get from LaLa land to home. Would you put a paper clip on that panel?
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    Suicism Male 18-29
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    October 18, 2010 at 5:31 am
    Best line: "Alas my Senses, I knew them well!" Maybe this is why I`ve yet to get that College degree..
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    I-IS-BORED Male 18-29
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    October 18, 2010 at 8:34 am
    @coedog
    stop limiting your design space (that was what? rule #1 in design?)
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    SPrinkZ Male 18-29
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    October 18, 2010 at 9:08 am
    "Now, the user posits that it is because of education. Well, my guess is that the trend would be the same even if you take uneducated children who have never gone to school."

    So, you basically agreed with him. Brilliant.
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    Oblivia Female 18-29
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    October 18, 2010 at 1:58 pm
    At 11:09 the sound just stops.... So what`s the conclusion?!
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    lololeela Female 30-39
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    October 18, 2010 at 2:25 pm
    The thing about the paper clip was kind of dumb. If it were 200 feet tall and made out of foam rubber, then it wouldn`t be a paper clip. Other than that, the video was really cool.
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    inversegrav Male 30-39
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    October 18, 2010 at 6:41 pm
    This was the first analysis of current education I have seen that makes sence to me.
    I want to see the whole speech.
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    securitywyrm Male 18-29
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    October 18, 2010 at 8:04 pm
    I`m going to Phoenix University to get my masters in business administration. It`s amazing how much we learn and get done in a class of 12 versus a class of 120.
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    LandoGriffin Male 30-39
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    October 19, 2010 at 10:53 am
    What`s your theory?

    You may not realize it, but this question is one of the greatest conversation starters with anyone you meet. Everyone has a theory and most people are very eager to tell others about it.
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    idiotfilter Male 18-29
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    October 19, 2010 at 6:56 pm
    Inversegrav:

    "This was the first analysis of current education I have seen that makes sence to me.
    I want to see the whole speech. "

    ....that makes.....sence?

    that doesn`t make sense...
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    obhwfgirl Female 18-29
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    October 20, 2010 at 2:06 am
    After going through 17 years of education, I can tell you that 1) ADHD exists but it is often misdiagnosed and 2) divergent thinkers have the hardest time in school -- both academically and socially.

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