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  1. Profile photo of fancylad
    fancylad Male 30-39
    18942 posts
    September 26, 2010 at 10:07 am
    Link: Your Sunday Bible Message - Fairly ballsy for the Good Book, no?
  2. Profile photo of TheBLB
    TheBLB Male 18-29
    237 posts
    September 26, 2010 at 10:12 am
    Fancylad: more out-of-context trolling than Seth McFarlane
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    Star_Beast Male 18-29
    127 posts
    September 26, 2010 at 10:15 am
    Ahh yes, I think I saw that book in stores on the shelf next to Harry Potter and Lord of the Rings.. epic yet fictional. Flame Wars... IT HAS BEGUN!!!
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    collegebound Male 18-29
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    September 26, 2010 at 10:16 am
    im gonna look this up...
  5. Profile photo of Piepig
    Piepig Male 13-17
    1524 posts
    September 26, 2010 at 10:16 am
    Holy crap, the bible is real?
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    SPARTAKITTY Female 18-29
    2120 posts
    September 26, 2010 at 10:20 am
    Hahahaha!
  7. Profile photo of a1butcher
    a1butcher Male 40-49
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    September 26, 2010 at 10:22 am
    Proverbs 21(19)
    Better to live in a desert than with a quarrelsome and ill-tempered wife.
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    TheSharpest Male 18-29
    1767 posts
    September 26, 2010 at 10:26 am
    Well, now I know what Bible quote I`ll be using with woman evangelists.
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    Hiromi Female 18-29
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    September 26, 2010 at 10:37 am
    Tell that to all the Westboro Baptist Church women!
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    tatripp Male 18-29
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    September 26, 2010 at 10:42 am
    this proves that the bible is true
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    Inter237 Male 18-29
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    September 26, 2010 at 10:55 am
    Words to live by?
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    lkc1 Female 13-17
    224 posts
    September 26, 2010 at 10:55 am
    the old testament says a LOT of things about women...
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    Dievs Male 18-29
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    September 26, 2010 at 10:59 am
    lkc1, Timothy is the New Testament - not the ancient Jewish dogmas, but the Christian church teachings on how people should behave morally.
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    SvampeBob Male 18-29
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    September 26, 2010 at 11:00 am
    good old bible never disappoints
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    sawdusty Male 40-49
    491 posts
    September 26, 2010 at 11:10 am
    Why to go Timmy!
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    Intaresting Male 18-29
    812 posts
    September 26, 2010 at 11:19 am
    It is written in the bible, therefore it`s true!
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    gorgack2000 Male 13-17
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    September 26, 2010 at 11:21 am
    @TheBLB- Explain how this is out of context then.
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    Lixa123 Female 18-29
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    September 26, 2010 at 11:28 am
    "..."
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    Djarum Male 18-29
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    September 26, 2010 at 11:30 am
    Old Testament also says you can get away with rape, and all sorts of poo if you have the money or such. When I`ve asked Christian friends about this they just say something like, "God got rid of the OT after the New Testament," and some such confusing prepared speeches.
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    Salted_Eggs Male 18-29
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    September 26, 2010 at 11:40 am
    Here`s the entire context for you guys. It`s the whole chapter (don`t worry it`s short).
    It seems much more sexist in context then out. :3
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    goaliejerry Male 30-39
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    September 26, 2010 at 11:40 am
    Man, I Googled that phrase, and its the main justification by which the Catholic Church prohibits women from being clergy...
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    IssaTheFiend Female 18-29
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    September 26, 2010 at 11:44 am
    As with anything else in the bible, what a load of sh*t.
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    Pooptart19 Male 18-29
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    September 26, 2010 at 11:59 am
    Jesus Died lol

    xD
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    CodeJockey Male 40-49
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    September 26, 2010 at 11:59 am
    *Long inhale* Still too easy...

    "Holy crap, the bible is real?"
    Even easier.
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    rainbowfarts Female 18-29
    798 posts
    September 26, 2010 at 12:01 pm
    @Djarum
    they probably said something along the lines of Jesus fulfilled the Old Testament and that`s why we don`t have to sacrifice goats and such anymore. Unless Jesus reiterated in the New Testament (like he did with the 10 commandments) don`t worry about it.

    Whether you want to except that is up to you though.
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    cobrakiller Male 18-29
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    September 26, 2010 at 12:04 pm
    i think thats why this religion has lasted so long
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    5Cats Male 50-59
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    September 26, 2010 at 12:17 pm
    YEah, the writings of Paul leave much to be desired...
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    Gerry1of1 Male 50-59
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    September 26, 2010 at 12:18 pm
    the Bible`s full of that kind of thing. That`s why it amazes me when women support christianity... or any religion as I don`t know of one that likes women.

    still, it`s good advice,right?
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    abcdxyz Male 18-29
    59 posts
    September 26, 2010 at 12:51 pm
    this is why im pro religion
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    Jasonbobdude Male 18-29
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    September 26, 2010 at 1:03 pm
    Oh, and a sandwich would be nice too.
    - 1 Timothy 2:13
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    MauserTM Male 18-29
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    September 26, 2010 at 1:12 pm
    Im gonna use this today at church
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    whocares3725 Male 18-29
    310 posts
    September 26, 2010 at 1:16 pm
    Jeez God`s a dick.
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    darkgear6 Male 70 & Over
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    September 26, 2010 at 1:27 pm
    worst colorwheel ever
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    taylor_stone Male 30-39
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    September 26, 2010 at 1:35 pm
    Look to the movie Dogma for the explanation as to WHY women are portrayed so badly in the bible... Simple as that...
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    ROK9 Male 18-29
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    September 26, 2010 at 1:35 pm
    very wise
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    DIETY Male 13-17
    196 posts
    September 26, 2010 at 1:51 pm
    Shaving is a sin as well. The bible is a big crock of poo, and anyone who is religious is a drating idiot.
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    eggmaster Male 13-17
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    September 26, 2010 at 2:06 pm
    I`m diggin this sermon.
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    Gortrok Male 18-29
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    September 26, 2010 at 2:12 pm
    DIETY, I find it ironic that you say that when a dyslexic person might read your name as deity ;)
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    CrakrJak Male 40-49
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    September 26, 2010 at 2:24 pm
    Paul`s letters should not necessarily be used as timeless marching orders for the church, They must be understood in light of the specific circumstances of the era he wrote them in.
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    Fatninja01 Male 30-39
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    September 26, 2010 at 2:45 pm
    Bible`s up for picking and choosing, you take what you want and discard the rest!
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    almightybob1 Male 18-29
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    September 26, 2010 at 2:53 pm
    They must be understood in light of the specific circumstances of the era he wrote them in.

    Why are only Paul`s letters excluded from being eternal moral teachings? I could equally say that maybe Jesus only meant for the people of the time to follow his teachings.

    In fact, from the number of Christians who ignore Matthew 19:21, it would seem they agree with that.
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    jg0nz Male 18-29
    113 posts
    September 26, 2010 at 3:26 pm
    " And Jesus was drating hungry. So the Kitchen was made."
    -6:30 Dinner
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    SmilinSam Female 18-29
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    September 26, 2010 at 3:39 pm
    this passage is one of the many reasons i abandoned christianity right after highschool...
  44. Profile photo of CrakrJak
    CrakrJak Male 40-49
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    September 26, 2010 at 3:42 pm
    almightybob1: Jesus said that to a rich young man and the young man `went away sorrowful`. Jesus then said, "It is easier for a camel to go through the eye of a needle, than for a rich man to enter into the kingdom of God."

    He basically said, `Don`t worship money, Worship God`. Many rich people are obsessed with wealth and that separates them from serving God.
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    slut_etta Female 50-59
    3883 posts
    September 26, 2010 at 4:07 pm
    more sexist christian crap. what few bring up is the fact that the bible has been translated into dozens of languages by thousands of ignorant repressed men over the last 2000 years. give me a text written in an ancient lost language and i`ll give you my personal slant on whatever i think is being said. and who`s to say i`m wrong when i can claim divine inspiration?
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    panth753 Female 18-29
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    September 26, 2010 at 4:09 pm
    "Bible`s up for picking and choosing, you take what you want and discard the rest!"

    I know right.
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    [DLM]Jimbo Male 18-29
    170 posts
    September 26, 2010 at 4:11 pm
    *Bible`s up for picking and choosing, you take what you want and discard the rest! *

    I think the point is that it`s not supposed to be for picking and choosing, you`re supposed to take on the whole lot, kit and caboodle. As this is part of it, some people may not wish to adopt it. If they don`t wish to adopt it, then they`re picking and choosing, which isn`t really how I thought you were supposed to go about religion.
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    TheiaRenown Female 18-29
    426 posts
    September 26, 2010 at 4:28 pm
    Back to the kitchen for me, I guess.
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    duffytoler Male 40-49
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    September 26, 2010 at 4:59 pm
    They got a Bible macro now? Dang. I can`t keep up. I liked the funny "Bachelor Frog" ones, those were pretty good.
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    Wai-Yu Female 13-17
    246 posts
    September 26, 2010 at 5:23 pm
    "wow... kinda makes me wish i was a man"

    silly book, stop giving children weird ideas,
    worse than television
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    jinxiejae Female 30-39
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    September 26, 2010 at 5:40 pm
    yeah right, good luck with that.
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    jakeamadude Male 18-29
    105 posts
    September 26, 2010 at 6:50 pm
    RIP advice dog...
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    idiotfilter Male 18-29
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    September 26, 2010 at 6:52 pm
    Phelps just kind of skips over that one...
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    I-IS-BORED Male 18-29
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    September 26, 2010 at 7:09 pm
    The Bible
    Treat it like an all you can eat buffet. Take as much of what you want, and ignore anything you don`t.
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    dax2009 Female 50-59
    322 posts
    September 26, 2010 at 7:19 pm
    Gal 3:28 "There is neither Jew nor Greek, there is neither bond nor free, there is neither male nor female: for ye are all one in Christ Jesus."

    Just one of the many reasons I became a Christian. The Bible (Old and New Testaments together) need to be taken in context, in it`s entirety to get the whole picture.
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    Bacir Male 18-29
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    September 26, 2010 at 7:40 pm
    "Come, let us make our father drink wine, and we will lie with him, that we may preserve the seed of our father."
    Genesis 19:31 (KJV)

    So THATS why the Bible is so popular in the south!
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    moefreak Female 18-29
    1963 posts
    September 26, 2010 at 7:41 pm
    Either you accept that all of the bible is meant to be taken pretty much literally, or you accept that some of the bible is metaphorical, outdated, mistranslated etc. If you are of the latter view, you CANNOT be the one who decides which parts everyone else should take literally. You can only interpret the book for yourself. Any claims of "Well God didn`t really mean that whole no shellfish thing, but he was totally serious about dudes not having sex with other dudes" are just speculation.
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    Bacir Male 18-29
    13 posts
    September 26, 2010 at 7:48 pm
    @Moefreak
    Marry me.
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    clancy54 Male 18-29
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    September 26, 2010 at 7:50 pm
    @ Moegirl

    You have made the most sensible statement about interpreting the Bible I have ever heard. I`m sorry, but I will be using that argument against other ignorant people.
  60. Profile photo of CrakrJak
    CrakrJak Male 40-49
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    September 26, 2010 at 8:06 pm
    moefreak: There are a lot of figurative things in the bible, You can`t take everything in the Bible literally. Also a lot of the Old Testament are stories of Jewish history that needs to be read in that context, Not modern day context.

    It`s not `picking and choosing`, It`s called being reasonable and judicious.
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    moefreak Female 18-29
    1963 posts
    September 26, 2010 at 8:09 pm
    CrakrJak, I never said you were picking and choosing. All I`m saying is that if someone (like yourself) believes that not all of the bible is meant to be taken literally, then they have no grounds for claiming that particular parts are while others are not, at least in application to other people.

    And thanks clancy and bacir, I`m feeling the love.
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    cyborgmonkey Male 13-17
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    September 26, 2010 at 8:17 pm
    ha "He which testifieth these things saith, Surely I come quickly. Amen. Even so, come, Lord Jesus." REV 22:20.... it sounds dirty.
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    DarkFerret Male 18-29
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    September 26, 2010 at 8:28 pm
    SO IT IS WRITTEN, SO SHALL IT BE DONE!!!
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    CrakrJak Male 40-49
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    September 26, 2010 at 8:49 pm
    moefreak: The all or nothing attitude you have is wrong. Most literature is written with a mix of literal and figurative speech. The Bible, Nor any other book, Is not meant to be interpreted 100% literally.

    You could say, "He was green with envy" or "She really got my goat.". We know that neither statement is literal. Human language is full of figurative speech as is the Bible.

    Your argument is just nonsensical.
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    cndman15 Male 18-29
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    September 26, 2010 at 8:58 pm
    @clancy have you never heard that arguement before? its like basic bible debunking 101 for beginners
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    dax2009 Female 50-59
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    September 26, 2010 at 9:39 pm
    Bacir - perfect example of taking something out of context. The bible says it happened - it does not say God approved of it happening.
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    Baalthazaq Male 18-29
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    September 26, 2010 at 10:18 pm
    Bwahahaha @ pretty much all the people who give me poo every week for being Muslim, whether it`s relevant or not suddenly agreeing with all my arguments about context/language/taking it as a whole/etc.

    Nice to see you agree with them all. If it wasn`t just when it suits you, it might actually have some value.

    Now, it would be a pooty thing for me to do to dig up the people who AGREE this is sexist on the Christian side and abide by it, so I won`t.

    But lets be clear here. You would. You have. And you never once ever stopped to consider any of the arguments you`d have retorted with if I had done it to you.
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    mrbenn Male 30-39
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    September 26, 2010 at 11:10 pm
    St Paul was an arse
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    xavroche Male 30-39
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    September 26, 2010 at 11:31 pm
    understand that he specifically says not to blindly follow texts (working on sabbath/not casting the first stone etc.) and that he is pretty liberal when it comes to the roles/rights of women.
    Also I might add, being Christian is not about worshipping the Bible. It is about establishing a relationship with Christ, and therefore by definition with God. The Bible is simply a path to that relationship, but it is not the only one. How stupid would I look if I took a random single line from Dawkins, proved that it did not make sense(possibly by taking it completely out of context), and then stated that Atheism was retarded. Congratulations, you have done the same thing.
    Also FYI, if I keep saying that you should read the Bible it is in no way to convert you. I am a fervent Christian but I have taken the time to read entire books from other religions and atheist manifestos. It is called educating yourself and maybe all you Christian bashers should give it a try.
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    xavroche Male 30-39
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    September 26, 2010 at 11:31 pm
    two thousand years ago should be reflected in the text. In case you did not know true gender equality is less than a century old in some places and still does not exist in others.
    Of course all of you are satisfied memorizing a few quotes that you have handpicked from either the Old Testament or like in the case from the sidelines of the New Testament. I have seen it time and time again, some douche thinking he is so smart for quoting Leviticus and showing how dumb the Bible is. If you had actually bothered to read the entire Bible and if you knew anything about Christianity maybe you would understand that we tend not to focus so much on the Old Testament, and that we do not worship the ground that Paul tread. What really interests us is the part about and surrounding Jesus Christ. Just in case you are extra retarded, which many of you tend to be, that is why we are called Christians. If you actually bothered to try to comprehend or learn about Jesus message maybe you would
  71. Profile photo of xavroche
    xavroche Male 30-39
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    September 26, 2010 at 11:31 pm
    I hate how smart all of you anti-Christians think you are when you pull poo like this out of your ass and then smugly stand back and think you`ve proven that Christianity is illogical/bad/evil. So you have spent five minutes on google, found a random quote from the Bible, and think you have uncovered some hidden treasure that you can throw in our face. Here`s a news flash. We read the Bible all the time, we know what is in it already. And trust me, thinking that you can understand an eight hundred thousand or so word book through a twentyish word quote is not very impressive from our end.
    Obviously the Pauline Epistles (I might also add 1 Timothy is usually considered to be pseudepigraphic) are important, but anyone who actually knows the Bible will be able to put them into context, since they were meant to help spread the message of Jesus and give direction to the first Christian groups. Hence it is a little logical that some of the gender inequalities which existed
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    kkyarrick Male 18-29
    21 posts
    September 26, 2010 at 11:49 pm
    Atleast we didn`t mention the incest
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    thirrteen Male 40-49
    230 posts
    September 26, 2010 at 11:53 pm
    What religion boils down to is simply this:
    My invisible friend can beat up your invisible friend.

    Case closed.
  74. Profile photo of Baalthazaq
    Baalthazaq Male 18-29
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    September 26, 2010 at 11:53 pm
    Actually, while I`m here, I might as well throw my hat into the ring.

    I do actually think Christianity has it worse than Islam in that Biblical passages contradict. Islam has it too, but this is mainly confined to the Hadith rather than the Quran. Which we separate and order according to how accurate they are.

    With the most accurate (Quran) being first, then Sahih Bukhari, then Sahih Muslim, and so on down the line till you start to reach stuff that is accepted as probably false, but kept for record-keeping purposes in case some of them turn out to shed some light on various matters. More info.

    Christianity on the other hand doesn`t have the same level of ordering (though it does have Canon/Non Canon).
  75. Profile photo of Baalthazaq
    Baalthazaq Male 18-29
    4548 posts
    September 27, 2010 at 12:05 am
    In other words (Moefreak), picking and choosing is acceptable to an extent. Usually however people have left that to religious bodies who declare what is canon and non canonical.

    Sometimes this works well, sometimes, due to people being alive at certain times, this does not. Sometimes, stupid things make their way into "religious law" when they have nothing to do with religion.

    Remember when we found out the earth went round the sun and all of religion collapsed? No? Because at the end of the day, it wasn`t core to anyone`s beliefs. Religion had no business taking sides in that argument.

    They did it *not* because it was explicitly so (Psalm 96:10) any more than the same people thought that "Then all the trees of the forest will sing for joy" (two lines down in the same poem).

    Reason and religion must go hand in hand, just like reason and lack of.
  76. Profile photo of Baalthazaq
    Baalthazaq Male 18-29
    4548 posts
    September 27, 2010 at 12:26 am
    So yeah, long story short:

    This isn`t a short story, it`s a long one. Which I urge you to read.

    Overall though, I always tell people, regardless of which religion we`re discussing, to take the text as a whole.

    You cannot dismiss Deborah being a leader and Prophetess in Judges while championing Timothy as saying they can`t. The whole must be considered.
  77. Profile photo of PoopNoodle
    PoopNoodle Male 40-49
    400 posts
    September 27, 2010 at 12:31 am
    Yeah! And go make me a turkey pot pit too! hehe
    My wife really hates that joke
  78. Profile photo of Baalthazaq
    Baalthazaq Male 18-29
    4548 posts
    September 27, 2010 at 12:41 am
    Damnit, I made a mistake.

    When I say "Picking and choosing is acceptable to an extent" that`s not actually what I mean.

    It is wrong to just pick out the ones you like and disregard the ones you don`t. If you have reason to doubt the authenticity of a passage, *then* it may be acceptable to pick a better translation.

    If you have two verses that contradict, you should have a *reason* to decide which of the two applies and which one does not.

    Hadith is structured very specifically for this based on three tiers of sources, (Author, Conveyor, Speaker).

    It isn`t just "which do I like the most", it is about consistency and context.

    Even though I answer about 95% of "Look! Bad quote!" with "Read the next line" or "Read the previous line", context is a lot more than that.

    Also, wherever possible, look stuff up in the original language.
  79. Profile photo of xavroche
    xavroche Male 30-39
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    September 27, 2010 at 12:55 am
    @Baalthazaq:
    First on the Bible contradicting itself. I think most people think this because they don`t look at the Bible correctly. Not all books in the Bible are created equal. The Old Testament is really mainly there as a reference and to be built on. It is really important to understand that Christ is at the center of the Bible. Hence the core really is the Gospels and the life of Jesus. Acts is simply an account of the first Christians and the Epistles are guides on how to interpret the message of Jesus.

    If you were to compare Christianity and Islam, The Old Testament for Christianity would be like the Suhuf Ibrahim/Tawrat/Zabur/Injil for Islam. No real equivalent for the Quoran exists in Christianity. The Quran was dictated word for word by Mohammed. The Gospels are basically four Biographies of Jesus. It makes sense that a single text told by a single source would be much more unified....
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    BBQ Male 18-29
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    September 27, 2010 at 2:32 am
    Isn`t the whole idea of being surprised at how twisted the morals of some religions are, just the same as being surprised people in a mental hospital are acting weird? That`s sorta what you would expect.
  81. Profile photo of Raberboom
    Raberboom Male 18-29
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    September 27, 2010 at 3:02 am
    Id make some snappy comeback about how i think religion is retarded, but just knowing that atheism is still steadily on the rise is good enough for me.
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    duckflash Female 13-17
    570 posts
    September 27, 2010 at 4:49 am
    @raberboom
    thats what i was thinking too. i think in a few hundred years we will have much more atheists
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    Maelstrom_x Male 18-29
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    September 27, 2010 at 5:22 am
    "What religion boils down to is simply this:
    My invisible friend can beat up your invisible friend. "

    NUH UH, MY INVISIBLE FRIEND CAN BENCH PRESS 300 POUNDS!
  84. Profile photo of dax2009
    dax2009 Female 50-59
    322 posts
    September 27, 2010 at 7:03 am
    xavroche: As a Chirstian myself, I disagree with your downplaying the role of the Old Testament - it is just as much the Word of God as the New. Jesus did not destroy the law, but fullfilled it, as He did most of the prophecies, and will the rest (of the prophecies) at some point in the future. By reading the New Testament, you may have the understanding you need for salvation, but you will have a greater understanding of God by also reading the Old Testament. How do you think the books we have now, in the New Testament, were chosen and others not? Partly because they fit in with the revelation of God in the Old Testament: they did not contradict it. Paul heralded the Bereans for "searching the scripture to see if these things were true" (what he told them). What scripture do you believe he meant? The Holy Spirit inspired the O.T. as much as the New, and Christians who ignore that lose so much......
  85. Profile photo of dax2009
    dax2009 Female 50-59
    322 posts
    September 27, 2010 at 7:06 am
    And ALL the books of the bible, from Genesis to the Revelation carry the same weight as the gospels; ALL were inspired by the Holy Spirit and are for our edification.
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    Wizard77 Male 40-49
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    September 27, 2010 at 7:38 am
    I do not see a problem here. *shrug*
  87. Profile photo of moefreak
    moefreak Female 18-29
    1963 posts
    September 27, 2010 at 7:41 am
    CrakrJak, that is NOT what I`m saying at all. I`m not saying you either have to accept that all of it is literal or that none of it is literal. I thought I made that pretty clear, but I guess not.

    I`m saying that if you accept (as most people do) that some of the bible is meant to be taken literally, while some of it is not, then YOU personally cannot be the person who is the ultimate authority for everyone else on which parts they should take literally.

    For example, one might believe that the bible very clearly states that no man should ever have sex with another man, while believing that the parts where slavery is encouraged are "outdated", and thus no longer valid. While I`m completely OK with this person then not having sex with men himself, because he believes it is wrong, but it is NOT ok for him to say that it is wrong for everyone. Unless he is willing to accept that they may decide that keeping slaves should be the norm for everyone.
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    inaria Female 18-29
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    September 27, 2010 at 8:03 am
    What I legitimately don`t understand is how people can say the bible is god`s word and then disregard parts of it as "stories/outdated" etc. If some parts of the bible aren`t "true", how can you believe the bible in it`s entirety is true?

    Agreed with Moefreak that if you`re picking and choosing what to believe from the Bible you have no right to tell others what they can pick and choose from the Bible.
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    BoredFrank Male 40-49
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    September 27, 2010 at 8:45 am
    The word of "Bob" is the only word you need -- AND THEN SOME!
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    dax2009 Female 50-59
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    September 27, 2010 at 9:14 am
    moefreak - the bible never approves of slavery, it gives directions for how to treat slaves as humanely as possible, ect., because it was the reality of the times. Actually, there are more slaves in the world right now, than in any other time in history. The bible never sugar coats anything. When it was recording history, it recorded the bad and the good.
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    pumba62 Male 40-49
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    September 27, 2010 at 9:17 am
    agreed now go make me a SAMMICH BIOTCH....but only after you done cleaning !!!
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    meepmaker Male 30-39
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    September 27, 2010 at 9:24 am
    I thought I told you to go in that kitchen and make me something to eat. Why are you wearing shoes? I said Im hungry. And bring me a cold one. I dont have all day. This game will go off eventually.
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    Wizard77 Male 40-49
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    September 27, 2010 at 9:35 am
    *sigh*
    HAHAHAHAHAHAHA! FIFTY THOUSAND TIMES AND IT NEVER GETS OLD! HAHAHAHAHA!

    You know, the whole "SAMMICH" thing has sort of been driven into the ground. Its like the "eye bleach" comment that seems to never die.

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    GiveChase Female 18-29
    535 posts
    September 27, 2010 at 9:46 am
    Lawl. Let`s ban female teachers next! Hey, if you can use your Bible to ban same-sex marriage, why ignore this?!
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    moefreak Female 18-29
    1963 posts
    September 27, 2010 at 11:10 am
    dax2000, so why is it that the same attitude can`t be attributed to homosexuality, for example? I mean, "Slaves, submit yourselves to your masters with all respect, not only to those who are good and considerate, but also to those who are harsh." 1 Peter 2:18
    Sounds pretty much like condoning slavery to me.
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    madduck Female 50-59
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    September 27, 2010 at 12:53 pm
    I find the canon/non canon argument doesn`t work anyway. Canonical gospels were largely chosen because they fit the party line ( apart from Thomas which is just silly). The bible is just a collection of texts, some relating to each other, some not. The Bible was not written by God ( if you believe in him) it was written by a human person. They may have thought, and you may believe, that it was divinely inspired - but that is not the same at all. All religions have many good points, the abrahamic ones also share a lot.Many religions share common points, so all religious people pick and choose what they believe. None of them have the right to say that their particular choice is the correct one.
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    GuardinGnome Male 18-29
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    September 27, 2010 at 1:02 pm
    HAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAH........
    Oh god, religion is so f*cking stupid and worthless............
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    lemmingboy15 Male 18-29
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    September 27, 2010 at 1:41 pm
    it helps to understand to whom Paul was speaking to and why he was saying what he was saying.
    people have this idea that every excerpt from the bible is a rule for everyone to live by regardless of circumstance.
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    dax2009 Female 50-59
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    September 27, 2010 at 1:58 pm
    moefreak, read the whole thing, in context. If you do good when good is being done to you, what is that to God? But if you do good, when someone is doing evil to you, then that is something. Jesus is the example here - they crucified Him, and He asked His Father to forgive them. Turn the other cheek. And ect.
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    dax2009 Female 50-59
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    September 27, 2010 at 2:00 pm
    And it is not condoning slavery, it is meeting you where you are, and asking you to act Christlike, whatever your circumstances. Many is the time at work where I wanted to tell the supervisor to shove it, or just work slooowwww because of lousy supervision, but did not (or at least, only part of the time) because the Bible says to work as unto God, and God would reward you.
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    Jui37 Female 18-29
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    September 27, 2010 at 2:23 pm
    And this is why I can`t take much of the bible seriously...
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    Trumple07 Male 13-17
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    September 27, 2010 at 2:26 pm
    Lol. I like how all the religious women are trying to protect this pooe...
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    moefreak Female 18-29
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    September 27, 2010 at 2:28 pm
    dax2009, that bible passage isn`t talking about working at McDonalds on minimum wage. It`s talking about being a slave. And it is encouraging people who are slaves to just put up with it, that they are better people for not fighting. Should that be the advice given to people who are currently slaves? And that certainly isn`t the only place in the bible where slavery is referenced in a very accepting way.
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    Star_Beast Male 18-29
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    September 27, 2010 at 2:43 pm
    Moefreak speaks in tongues! The words of the devil! Ear muffs children.. haha but seriously dude, after reading all the posts below I couldn`t agree more with you.
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    CrakrJak Male 40-49
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    September 27, 2010 at 3:56 pm
    moefreak: Actually the term used was `Servant` aka `Worker`... The Jews used a different word for slavery, As in the story of Exodus.
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    kitw90 Female 18-29
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    September 27, 2010 at 4:28 pm
    sure, i`ll stay silent... silent and deadly. just like the worst farts. lmao
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    moefreak Female 18-29
    1963 posts
    September 27, 2010 at 4:49 pm
    CrakrJak, I don`t know what the original term was, but many (most?) editions of the bible have translated it as `slave`. And the fact that slavery was certainly discussed NOT in a manner that in any way suggested it was a bad thing is pretty undeniable.

    And it isn`t just slavery. If there is any part of the bible that you don`t think is meant to be taken literally (although it doesn`t say "Don`t take this part literally"), while believing that some parts are meant to be taken literally, then you can not claim that your interpretation is the correct one for everyone.
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    CrakrJak Male 40-49
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    September 27, 2010 at 5:39 pm
    moefreak: If you can`t be bothered to look and see the difference between slavery and servitude, Then you have no business lecturing literalness vs. figurative in the Bible to someone that does.
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    moefreak Female 18-29
    1963 posts
    September 27, 2010 at 6:49 pm
    CrakrJak, you can ignore my point all you want. That doesn`t make it any less valid.

    Do you, or do you not, believe that you have the right to interpret on behalf of anyone else which parts of the bible are to be taken at face value?
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    SarahColleen Female 18-29
    1071 posts
    September 27, 2010 at 8:09 pm
    Well.. I guess I`m not a Christian now...
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    cregil Male 50-59
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    September 27, 2010 at 8:16 pm
    I want that in my wedding vows!
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    bonsushi Male 18-29
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    September 27, 2010 at 8:56 pm
    OH I GET IT. I`m supposed to take the good parts of the Bible literally, and all the bad parts are just some sort of encrypted message that means something good in the end! Am I doin it rite?
  113. Profile photo of CrakrJak
    CrakrJak Male 40-49
    17514 posts
    September 27, 2010 at 10:13 pm
    moefreak: I don`t have a PHD in Theology, So I refer to the opinions of those scholars that do.
    Most of them agree on the critical issues of the Bible and have done research on the rest. After all, They have vast resources available to them going back to the Dead Sea scrolls and even older.

    So, I am not `interpret(ing) on behalf of anyone else`, I`m following the most accepted interpretations of experts of my denomination.
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    dax2009 Female 50-59
    322 posts
    September 28, 2010 at 12:24 am
    moefreak, please find me one passage in the bible that says that slavery is a good thing.
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    Baalthazaq Male 18-29
    4548 posts
    September 28, 2010 at 12:57 am
    Moefreak:
    Moe, as I said, when arguing the specific meanings of words, the original text is vital. Sometimes, we don`t have the original text (Jesus was thought to speak Aramaic for example), but a single translation is superior to a second or third and so on.

    Again, I have always said that, and it seems reasonable.

    This brings up my earlier point of the text itself being OK, but the interpretations being a result of time and environment.

    I actually agree to an extent with Xavroche. In fact his response to me is exactly what I was trying to say.

    Though I stated the Bible included a Quran equivalent because of the Psalms which were the work of David (a Prophet), under the direction of God under Islamic tradition.

    However that tradition isn`t present in Christianity, so I`ll revoke that statement.
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    eskimo9 Male 18-29
    703 posts
    September 28, 2010 at 2:06 am
    @bonsushi - perfect! You got it, pal! Just the same as you take some governmental laws (murder and rape, I hope) literally, while assume that smoking weed and running the occasional red light doesn`t apply to you!
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    HamMan1 Male 18-29
    10 posts
    September 28, 2010 at 4:07 am
    Religion starting aggro?? well i never..
    love the fact that this`ll be defended by a woman saying it means something else... i just want to have the bible open on this page and tap it at her as she does with raised eyebrows...
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    Somehowfunny Female 18-29
    40 posts
    September 28, 2010 at 4:54 am
    ROTFLMFAO!!!

    I love those wacky Christians with their crazy `god book`.

  119. Profile photo of osirisascend
    osirisascend Male 40-49
    3046 posts
    September 28, 2010 at 5:17 am
    @ dax2009: "However, you may purchase male or female slaves from among the foreigners who live among you. You may also purchase the children of such resident foreigners, including those who have been born in your land. You may treat them as your property, passing them on to your children as a permanent inheritance. You may treat your slaves like this, but the people of Israel, your relatives, must never be treated this way." Leviticus 25:44-46

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    osirisascend Male 40-49
    3046 posts
    September 28, 2010 at 5:18 am
    @ dax2009: "When a man sells his daughter as a slave, she will not be freed at the end of six years as the men are. If she does not please the man who bought her, he may allow her to be bought back again... And if the slave girl`s owner arranges for her to marry his son, he may no longer treat her as a slave girl, but he must treat her as his daughter. If he himself marries her and then takes another wife, he may not reduce her food or clothing or fail to sleep with her as his wife. If he fails in any of these three ways she may leave as a free woman without making any payment." Exodus 21:7-11
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    osirisascend Male 40-49
    3046 posts
    September 28, 2010 at 5:23 am
    @ dax2009: "Slaves, obey your earthly masters with deep respect and fear. Serve them sincerely as you would serve Christ." Ephesians 6:5

    "Tell slaves to be submissive to their masters and to give satisfaction in every respect; they are not to talk back, not to pilfer, but to show complete and perfect fidelity, so that in everything they may be an ornament to the doctrine of God our Savior." Titus 2:9-10

    dax, I can show you more if you need them.

    It`s quite obvious that you claim to be a "Christian", yet like most "Christians" you know nothing of your churches most "holy" text.

    I happen to have been born into a family full of holier-than-thou "Christians" and ministers.

    Perhaps you should try reading and comprehending what the book says before trying to claim what it DOESN`T say. You have no credibility.
  122. Profile photo of osirisascend
    osirisascend Male 40-49
    3046 posts
    September 28, 2010 at 5:32 am
    @ dax2009: You asked for one, I gave you FOUR.

    I can show you many more if you`d like. The "Holy Bible" is rife with hypocrisy, contradictions, and the will of MAN, not God. For this reason I do not consider myself a "Christian" and left the organized church over 15 years ago.

    By the way, I was ordained as a minister in the Church of God in Christ in 1988. I spent most of my formative years studying every translation of the "Holy Bible" I could get my hands on.

    I am confident in the claim that I know the "Holy Bible" inside and out... better than most Bible "scholars" in fact.

    I have NO PROBLEM sharing the lies and contradictions it contains with brainwashed sheep like yourself.

  123. Profile photo of CrakrJak
    CrakrJak Male 40-49
    17514 posts
    September 28, 2010 at 5:34 am
    osirisascend: None of those says `Slavery is a good thing`, and on several of those you (as many others do) substitute the word `servant` for `slave`.
  124. Profile photo of osirisascend
    osirisascend Male 40-49
    3046 posts
    September 28, 2010 at 5:43 am
    CrakrJak: Each of those verses condones slavery.

    Therefore, slavery is sanctioned and approved of in the "Holy" Bible.

    There are indeed several translations of the "Holy" Bible that substitute the word "servant" for "slave".

    Those translations were made hundreds and in some cases thousands of years after they were originally written.

    I offer you this verse as well:

    "As you approach a town to attack it, first offer its people terms for peace. If they accept your terms and open the gates to you, then all the people inside will serve you in forced labor. But if they refuse to make peace and prepare to fight, you must attack the town. When the LORD your God hands it over to you, kill every man in the town. But you may keep for yourselves all the women, children, livestock, and other plunder. You may enjoy the spoils of your enemies that the LORD your God has given you." Deuteronomy 20:10-14
  125. Profile photo of osirisascend
    osirisascend Male 40-49
    3046 posts
    September 28, 2010 at 5:50 am
    CrakrJak: I reiterate, I studied the "Holy" Bible for many years. More than just the King James version. I`ll put my knowledge of that particular book up against anyone.

    That being said, I am also aware of the fact that I am not the "final authority" on the "Holy" Bible.

    I encourage anyone who is interested to study the book themselves, in as many translations as they can find, and draw their own conclusions.

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    SumRandom1 Male 18-29
    794 posts
    September 28, 2010 at 11:28 am
    its a book, that all there is to it, somebody will read some science fiction book (scientology) and start a religion, if enough people follow it 2000 years later then its a strong religion, either way its a book written by people, not GOD who decided to appear and translated it into GREEK so all the europeans can follow it, thats why i find south americans and a lot of african-americans to be hypocritical, since Christianity is a forced religion upon them, through submission and slavery, yet they so openly embrace it, that is my opinion if you dont like it thats your problem not mine
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    8BitHero Male 18-29
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    September 28, 2010 at 5:59 pm
    Si, Christian females abide by this?
  128. Profile photo of dax2009
    dax2009 Female 50-59
    322 posts
    September 28, 2010 at 10:01 pm
    Mat 19:8 "He saith unto them, Moses because of the hardness of your hearts suffered you to put away your wives: but from the beginning it was not so." That pretty much covers slavery, also. Gd was dealing with real people in a real discourse. Slavery is with us now, and always has been. So has the poor. God doesn`t say being poor is right, either, but He gives directions for how to behave if you are poor or rich. Remember: Mat 19:30 "But many first shall be last; and the last first." and what I said earlier - "there is no male or female, slave or freeman, Greek nor Jew, for all are one in Christ Jesus".
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    dax2009 Female 50-59
    322 posts
    September 28, 2010 at 10:05 pm
    8BitHero: yes, many many Christian women abide by this, and have no shame in it, nor do they consider that it makes them less than a man. It is supposed to be an example to the world of the relationship that Christ has to His bridew, the church... He died for it, and a man is expected to die for his wife, if need be.
  130. Profile photo of osirisascend
    osirisascend Male 40-49
    3046 posts
    September 29, 2010 at 5:18 am
    @ dax2009: So no response to my fulfilling your request for a passage condoning slavery? You asked for one passage, I provided four, and can direct you to more if you need them.

    But you won`t.

    Like most brainwashed "Christians", you refuse to accept that your holiest text is filled with contradictions, and the laws of men trying to consolidate their power.

    Not God.

    Like most Christians, you talk a good game, but your knowledge of the "Holy" Bible is so weak that you have no way to counter anyone who DOES know the Bible, and points out that YOU don`t know what the book contains.

    Perhaps you should try actually READING it in it`s entirety instead of basing your knowledge on what you hear in "Church".

    Thanks for playing.
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    PTPete Female 30-39
    1236 posts
    September 29, 2010 at 2:43 pm
    @ kitw90--hilarious!!!
    I`ve always wondered what the world (or my life) would look like if every single commandment, rule, law, & suggestion from the Bible was followed & acted out in our modern day setting. Hmmm...(**dream sequence) Chapter 1--PTPete is stoned for being an unclean harlot who engages in...speech.
    Nevermind.
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    Rudy-Duh Female 18-29
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    September 30, 2010 at 10:08 am
    ii love IAB but they shud really keep this kinda stuff off here.. ppl get to heated n everything jus goes down hill...

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