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148 Responses to The US Revokes Peoples Liberty Over Weed

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    madest Male 40-49
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    September 12, 2010 at 4:38 am
    Link: The US Revokes Peoples Liberty Over Weed - Marc Emery used and discarded by Canada. Convicted and sentenced in America. Where is the sanity?
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    bram Male 18-29
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    September 12, 2010 at 6:10 am
    Well, he turned himself in, and what he was doing is illegal here. I`m not saying that I agree with it. I mean, I`m smoking pot as I type this, but nobody should have been surprised in the least.
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    jtrebowski Male 40-49
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    September 12, 2010 at 6:12 am
    Most of the pressure to keep pot illegal comes from the corporate world, like the pharmaceutical industry. Anybody surprised?
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    a1butcher Male 40-49
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    September 12, 2010 at 6:12 am
    A real violent criminal right there.
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    LastJuggalo Female 18-29
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    September 12, 2010 at 6:14 am
    I, for one, am glad he`s in jail! A smoking hot wife and his whole job is to smoke pot? F***er`s livin` better than should be legal. . . . Poor dude . . .
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    ggolbez Male 18-29
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    September 12, 2010 at 6:32 am
    Why is pot illegal again?
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    CurlybackJoe Male 18-29
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    September 12, 2010 at 6:35 am
    This is sad. I`m a firm believer that prison should be reserved only for people who prove themselves to be a danger to society and their fellow man. This man is a danger to no one :( . The authorities need to go catch some REAL f**king criminals.
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    Reganom Male 18-29
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    September 12, 2010 at 6:43 am
    Curlybackjoe, don`t you mean that the authorities need to go and catch what you consider to be "real" criminals? Because in my view breaking the law makes you a criminal...Regardless of whether you agree with the law or not.
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    Reignblazer Male 18-29
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    September 12, 2010 at 6:44 am
    It`s a sad thing. Holland`s becoming less cool every year as well : /
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    GuardinGnome Male 18-29
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    September 12, 2010 at 6:59 am
    I`d rather see some child rapists or some mass murderers in jail than this guy.........
    I don`t want to have to pay for this guy to be in jail.......
    f*ck that.
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    8BitHero Male 18-29
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    September 12, 2010 at 7:02 am
    Weed is awesome!
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    Solvent Male 18-29
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    September 12, 2010 at 7:05 am
    In jail or not, I wanna be that guy.
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    Krowley Male 30-39
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    September 12, 2010 at 7:10 am
    The problem is that MJ laws in this country are so convoluted.
    "This" is allowed by state law, but illegal by federal law.
    "That" is completely illegal, but not enforced... except for when it is.
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    Gerry1of1 Male 50-59
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    September 12, 2010 at 7:11 am
    this guy is locked up but perversions like Lindsey Lohan and Paris Hilton are allowed to walk around loose?

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    mattybfresh Male 18-29
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    September 12, 2010 at 7:20 am
    @Reganom

    That`s a horrible and wrong opinion. Does that mean that if you were (in some places) in the deep american south and you had sex with a condom, had oral/anal sex, or just gave/received a hand job, you`d be fine with your incarceration for breaking sodomy laws? Remember, sodomy = any sexual act not for reproduction. The way I see it, there are "universal" laws/truths that most people accept as wrong or worthy of punishment, e.g., murder, rape, theft, etc.. Then you have your bullpoo biblical or "morality" laws (e.g., drugs, sodomy, nudity, vice, etc.) that have no real purpose other than to intimidate and control people`s behavior. You know, stuff that takes away those "liberties" that Americans think they have and are so wont to distribute to the Iraqi people.
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    NoArms5534 Male 18-29
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    September 12, 2010 at 7:20 am
    Well, his political activities are irrelevant if he`s BREAKING THE LAW. Sheesh, I`m for legalization if people want to vote for it, but as it stands right now, it`s illegal. Stop being a douchebag and acting like some sort of Robin Hood of weed.
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    SPARTAKITTY Female 18-29
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    September 12, 2010 at 7:33 am
    @NoArms5534
    Can I use Robin Hood of weed? I think it`s hilarious.
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    patchouly Male 40-49
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    September 12, 2010 at 7:33 am
    Great post mattybfresh.
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    goaliejerry Male 30-39
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    September 12, 2010 at 7:45 am
    LOL, look, I`m all for the liberalization of pot laws in the U.S.

    But to claim the "real" reason he was locked up is for his political views is retarded.

    I`m pretty sure he was locked for the thousands of incidences of international drug trafficking he committed.
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    Lilou88 Female 18-29
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    September 12, 2010 at 7:50 am
    I COMPLETELY agree with Gerry. Crap like that is ridiculous.
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    pixiechick81 Female 30-39
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    September 12, 2010 at 7:54 am
    goaliejerry all he did was sell seeds. He did not cultivate these plants himself, you cannot get high off pot seeds, therefor it was not drug trafficking.

    He was actually charged with conspiracy to manufacture
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    CrakrJak Male 40-49
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    September 12, 2010 at 7:56 am
    He knew the risks and got caught, End of story.
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    pixiechick81 Female 30-39
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    September 12, 2010 at 7:59 am
    Prince of Pot - Globe and Mail Article
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    NoArms5534 Male 18-29
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    September 12, 2010 at 8:00 am
    @SPARTAKITTY Yes, you can use Robin Hood of weed. Spread the word, we`ve got to break this guy out of jail for being the HERO that he is.

    Two things, mattybfresh. One, an opinion can`t be wrong by the very virtue of it being an opinion. Two, if you go into a country and break it`s laws, expect to pay the penalty. It doesn`t matter how stupid you think the law is. Change the law or obey the law. But if you decide to disregard the law, don`t be surprised when you end up with a fine or in jail.

    And certainly don`t try to claim some sort of moral high ground. Pot head/dealer =/= Rosa Parks, Ghandi, etc.
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    madest Male 40-49
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    September 12, 2010 at 8:03 am
    I`m still confused as to where in the constitution our government given the power to tell us what we`re allowed to put in our bodies... They needed a constitutional amendment to outlaw alcohol and another to reinstate it.
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    green_batman Female 18-29
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    September 12, 2010 at 8:06 am
    When you break the law, you go to jail for it. If it is a law you are breaking in protest, you still go to jail because it makes you an example of the injustice of the law. More people need to read Civil Disobedience.

    I think it`s rather silly to make pot illegal, unless you are selling it to (or giving seeds to) a minor, but the current law stands that it is illegal to participate in the growth, distribution, or use of pot, so those things will be punished. Once the popular view condemns incarcerating those people, the law will be changed.
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    edana42 Female 50-59
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    September 12, 2010 at 8:08 am
    "Why is pot illegal again?"

    It was used as a means to control cultures immigrating. The anti-marijuana movement of the 1930s dovetailed with the intense anti-Chicano movement of the 1930s. Marijuana was associated with Mexican Americans, and a ban on marijuana was seen as a way of discouraging Mexican-American subcultures from developing.

    History channel has an excellent documentary on why certain drugs such as opium and pot were banned. Health concerns had very little to do with it.
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    auburnjunky Male 30-39
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    September 12, 2010 at 8:10 am
    Whether or not weed should be legal is not the issue.

    It`s illegal now.

    Go talk to your representative about getting the laws changed.
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    Altaru Male 18-29
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    September 12, 2010 at 8:16 am
    I`m still confused as to where in the constitution our government given the power to tell us what we`re allowed to put in our bodies...
    I take no issue with pot, and the other quiet drugs of that sort. If someone wants to sit around smoking pot all day, just make sure they close off the room so no one else has to deal with it.

    They don`t hurt anyone.

    But then there`s the LESS quiet ones... The ones that, when they`re drugged out on them, people smash windows and kill others and crap. Like cocaine and meth. I take issue with those.

    Pot should be legal. Those should not. This man shouldn`t be in jail. I`m still confused why they crack down so hard on Mary Jane when there`s so many other harder drugs they should be going after...
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    mattybfresh Male 18-29
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    September 12, 2010 at 8:19 am
    @NoArms

    1) The whole opinion being wrong was said facetiously, so meh

    2) I do not equate his struggle with Ghandi or Rosa Parks. (Ghandi was a wanker, though).

    3) He knew full well what he was getting himself into AND turned himself in. Good for him; I`m not debating whether or not this was a crime or not. Yes it was, but this brings me to my main point...

    4) That laws are not concrete and that calling someone a "real criminal" because he broke any law is just silly and narrow-minded. 100-150 years ago (70 years ago in Quebec) it was against the law for a woman to vote. Now, in hindsight, this seems rather foolish of society at large and we generally pat ourselves on the back for getting rid of such arcane "laws." Sure, Marc Emery is a criminal by narrow-minded definition, but...

    5) If there were ANY justice in the world or in the US, Donald Rumsfeld and Oliver North would be serving life sentances for selling arms to Ir
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    rainbowfarts Female 18-29
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    September 12, 2010 at 8:26 am
    Someone broke the law, got taken to jail, happens everyday.

    World keeps on spinnin`
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    Angilion Male 40-49
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    September 12, 2010 at 8:40 am
    [quote">Why is pot illegal again?[/quote">

    The usual reason - money.

    Nowadays we think of the plant pretty much solely in drug terms, but for a long time it was very widely used for many things - paper, rope, cloth, food, all sorts of things - as well as a drug.

    Some other businesses wanted a bigger share of various markets, e.g. cotton for cloth, petrochemicals for nylon and some plastics, wood pulp for paper, tobacco and drugs companies for drug use, etc.

    So they grouped together and took advantage of the emerging anti-drug laws in the early 20th century, on the back of the genuine problem of widespread use of addictive narcotic opiates.

    Adding cannabis to those resulted in completely removing it from every market, not just outlawing its use as a drug. Lots of extra profit to be made if you can completely remove a large section of the competition.

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    Angilion Male 40-49
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    September 12, 2010 at 8:41 am
    Bah, the bugs in IAB`s software are irritating.

    Click here for details
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    EbScrooge Male 18-29
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    September 12, 2010 at 8:48 am
    I agree with Green Batman 100%. The law is the law, whether you like that law or not. Good for him for turning himself in, though. Shows a lot of integrity.
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    splurbyburbl Male 30-39
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    September 12, 2010 at 9:10 am
    Send him home and quit wasting tax payer dollars on weed stuff...
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    thebandit Male 18-29
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    September 12, 2010 at 9:26 am
    the law is only the law until you break it...
    guess he just didn`t break it hard enough
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    madest Male 40-49
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    September 12, 2010 at 9:33 am
    When you break the law, you go to jail for it.
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    You don`t go to jail when you speed or run a red light.. You don`t go to jail for jay walking. Why do my tax dollars go towards enforcing a law that shouldn`t be a crime in the first place. Your complacency is pathetic.
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    pixiechick81 Female 30-39
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    September 12, 2010 at 9:41 am
    EbScrooge have you downloaded a song without paying for it? jaywalked?
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    i-am-ninja Male 18-29
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    September 12, 2010 at 9:44 am
    jay walking speeding and running red lights are misdemeanors not felonies
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    auburnjunky Male 30-39
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    September 12, 2010 at 9:47 am
    @madest:

    Do those things enough, and you will go to jail.
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    Glowy Male 18-29
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    September 12, 2010 at 9:48 am
    Also, California is not the biggest state.
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    VikingGuy Male 18-29
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    September 12, 2010 at 9:49 am
    fact is, its currently illegal, protesting the law is fine, thinking its wrong is fine, talking to your local government and attempting to bring about its change is fine, blatantly breaking it and crying when you land in the clank shows you´re too stupid to realize your actions have consequences.
    the law is in effect currently, regardless if its thought right or wrong, if you break it and land in jail you´ve no one to blame but yourself.
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    padge Male 18-29
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    September 12, 2010 at 9:54 am
    "I agree with Green Batman 100%. The law is the law, whether you like that law or not. Good for him for turning himself in, though. Shows a lot of integrity."

    actually its not against the law, or unlawful, you just have to know how to represent yourself in a court room.
    prohibition they amended the constitution. there is no amendment for pot. so don`t make a plea when they take you in front of a judge, object or demur. then make the DA prove jurisdiction. most of the time charges will be dropped.

    also know that breaking a statute is illegal, breaking a law is unlawful. most statutes dont apply to people, only persons. and you have to agree to a statute for them to prosecute you.
    which you agree to when you make the plea.

    law is easy just read a blacks law dictionary. and dont listen to any bar approved lawyers, who are there to make sure you are in an equity court. when you want to be in a court or record.
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    HunterKiller Male 18-29
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    September 12, 2010 at 10:02 am
    It`s a law, and until it isn`t, this stuff will continue to happen. Smart protesting ftw tbh, qq?
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    dax2009 Female 50-59
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    September 12, 2010 at 10:18 am
    Robin Hood of Pot? NO. Johnny Appleseed of Pot? YES. My brother back in the day told me to always, always, throw the seeds out the window of your car onto some back road culvert. The police were always killing it, you needed to make sure it still thrived. Now, I understand, they take the seeds out before they sell it. At least around here. Takes some of the fun out of it.
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    keith2 Male 30-39
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    September 12, 2010 at 10:21 am
    i swear i cant stand people like vikingguy.. those types of people, during slavery, said the same thing about runaway slaves: "blatantly breaking it and crying when you land in the clank shows you´re too stupid to realize your actions have consequences.
    the law is in effect currently, regardless if its thought right or wrong, if you break it and land in jail you´ve no one to blame but yourself"
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    mmill928 Female 18-29
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    September 12, 2010 at 10:46 am
    I saw this guy speak last month at Hempfest, they were handing out those posters of him everywhere. The only thing he`s guilty of is selling to Americans - the Americans are the ones breaking the law, since he`s a Canadian and is selling FROM CANADA. Granted, it`s technically illegal there too, but not nearly as harshly punished. If we want to arrest anyone, it should be the American buyers, not the Canadian seller.
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    tommy2X4 Male 50-59
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    September 12, 2010 at 11:09 am
    She looks young for the wife of a 52 year old man. I gotta start selling pot seeds.
    I love how white collar criminals get away with ruining peoples lives and get a slap on the wrist, like a 35 million dollar fine, when they made 95 million in the illegal transaction. Still 60 mil. ahead and no jail time. EAT THE RICH!!!
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    BigMordecai Male 18-29
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    September 12, 2010 at 11:19 am
    @keith 2. Yah except this is nothing like slavery. There`s profit in it for him and its not like its for a great moral product. I mean we had smuggling traffic during prohibition but they weren`t exactly freedom fighters. Plus its true he did no the risk and sometimes you lose. I mean countless people get screwed for pot so he`s not really special.
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    Ogen Male 18-29
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    September 12, 2010 at 11:25 am
    @BigMordecai This guy is a freedom fighter. Totally. And I for one think there is nothing immoral about weed, no more so than drinking a glass of beer. In fact I would say smoking weed is more moral than drinking beer any day.
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    ManicRapture Female 13-17
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    September 12, 2010 at 12:08 pm
    Smoke pot. Be happy. Keepin` it simple, folks.
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    sbeelz Male 30-39
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    September 12, 2010 at 12:16 pm
    There`s nothing moral or immoral about taking drugs-the moral issue surrounding drugs centers around the behaviors that the drugs induce. If you drink or smoke weed, or shoot smack or whatever and as a result act harmfully towards others, or neglectfully towards your family, and you continue to use, then that is immoral. If you can use drugs safely- regardless of the drug- then your behavior is moral. There is always the issue of the public burden that health problems create- but then there are numerous behaviors that cause one`s health to decline; eating a poor diet, managing stress poorly, etc.

    Personally, I quit smoking weed because I just started nursing school, and I don`t believe, based on how I know that marijuana affects me, that I can practice nursing as safely even smoking weed occasionally as I can if I`m not smoking at all.
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    Geogypsy Female 18-29
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    September 12, 2010 at 12:23 pm
    Holy crap Mrs Emery is hawt!
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    lllBorislll Male 18-29
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    September 12, 2010 at 12:52 pm
    Jesus drating Christ, first a 9/11 debate and now I gotta come here and talk about weed... Okay so everyone knows its more harmless then alcohol right? good, we`re educated. The fact that Americans are so uptight about weed, it actually blows my mind... we fill our bodies with cigarettes which clearly cause lung cancer and we fill our bodies with alcohol which screws up our perceptions and we think we can drive. Whats the worst a high person has done? Burt his toast in the toaster oven because he was baked and watching scooby doo. Seriously, please do yourself a favour and go to google video and search "The Union: The business behind getting high" it`s long, but you`ll be well educated afterwards...
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    CrakrJak Male 40-49
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    September 12, 2010 at 1:26 pm
    madest: "I`m still confused as to where in the constitution our government given the power to tell us what we`re allowed to put in our bodies... They needed a constitutional amendment to outlaw alcohol and another to reinstate it."

    That`s because it wasn`t banned, It was `regulated` - Controlled Substances Act

    They are categorized based on potential for abuse, medical use (if any), and metal/physical dependency into 5 `Schedules`.
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    wertiana Female 13-17
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    September 12, 2010 at 1:40 pm
    Here`s what I think, coming from a 15 year old whos 90% of friends smoke weed and they all want it to be legal.
    Thing is, I feel like it`ll be taxed like crazy and like alcohol, it will have age restrictions.
    I`m against any drugs in any way.
    Yes, weed is less harmless than cigarettes and booze but it`s still pretty harmful.
    and i don`t know about anyone else, but i personally have seen it change all of my friends who didnt smoke weed but began to.

    peoples obsession with weed disgusts me, just like people smoking ciggs disgusts me,but its their life.
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    Siyanor Male 18-29
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    September 12, 2010 at 2:00 pm
    I might be able to make a comment if I knew what

    "27 UST 983; TIAS 8237.
    1853 UNTS 407
    TIAS."

    means.
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    aseirinn Male 70 & Over
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    September 12, 2010 at 2:25 pm
    lllBorislll
    Male, 18-29, Canada
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    "The Union: The business behind getting high"


    great doc...watch if you can
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    Quik2TheStab Male 18-29
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    September 12, 2010 at 2:31 pm
    That poo should be illegal, and so should alcohol and tobacco.
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    padge Male 18-29
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    September 12, 2010 at 2:32 pm
    "That`s because it wasn`t banned, It was `regulated` - Controlled Substances Act

    They are categorized based on potential for abuse, medical use (if any), and metal/physical dependency into 5 `Schedules`." and thats why you challenge jurisdiction, and not the law.
    same applies to the federal reserve act.
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    Forplay2k Male 50-59
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    September 12, 2010 at 2:46 pm
    "27 UST 983; TIAS 8237.
    1853 UNTS 407
    TIAS." = United States Extradition Treaties
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    GothPirate Female 18-29
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    September 12, 2010 at 3:06 pm
    Quik2TheStab:``That poo should be illegal, and so should alcohol and tobacco.``

    >>Male, 13-17
    >>>>>13-17

    13
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    whocares3725 Male 18-29
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    September 12, 2010 at 3:15 pm
    We`re all going to look back and feel very stupid once this is legalized and starts benefitting us.
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    Fatninja01 Male 30-39
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    September 12, 2010 at 3:33 pm
    eeek
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    danthew Male 18-29
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    September 12, 2010 at 3:42 pm
    Pff, he should be in jail, what he did was illegal. Forget the bullcrap conspiracy theories.
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    Quik2TheStab Male 18-29
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    September 12, 2010 at 3:45 pm
    GothPirate, I`ll be eighteen in November.
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    Quik2TheStab Male 18-29
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    September 12, 2010 at 3:46 pm
    And hell yes, danthew.
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    premierwondr Male 18-29
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    September 12, 2010 at 4:00 pm
    Haha grow up! If you think weed should be illegal you haven`t had enough experiences with people smoking it and you don`t know anything more than those Anti-Drug commercials tell you.

    The guy has got to go to jail, he broke the law bringing pot seeds into the United States.
    Anyone arguing that because he was only bringing in seeds so it`s not a drug needs to stop playing stupid/ignorant. What are people going to do with the seeds? Oh right they`re going to grow them (illegal) and most likely they`ll smoke the weed they grow (also illegal).

    Either way, pot should be legalized but we`ll see. In all honesty though...how hard is it to smoke? Legal or not smoking weed is 1 of the easiest laws you can break.
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    lllBorislll Male 18-29
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    September 12, 2010 at 4:18 pm
    Weed doesnt change you btw... It`s not addictive. I`ve had the craving for a joint the same amount I have a craving for a beer or cigarette, when I`m stressed... It really is astounding when alcohol is Legal when pot isn`t...

    "I`m against any drugs in any way.
    Yes, weed is less harmless than cigarettes and booze but it`s still pretty harmful." That`s like saying... Yeah being hit by a car is less harmful then being hit by a train or being sucked into a jet engine but still pretty harmful...

    Also the fact that it would be taxed and aged should be one of the top reasons the government would want to jump on that... you know how much pot I buy? The government could be raking in all this money I have for them... Kinda dumb from their perspective when you think about it
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    RoboPatton Male 30-39
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    September 12, 2010 at 4:39 pm
    I read a lot about Marc Emery, he was an activist before anything else. While I am for legalization this is part of the activist roll; stuff like this has to happen to him so people will read about him, and decide that this is perhaps a huge over reaction and unjust.
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    Altaru Male 18-29
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    September 12, 2010 at 4:44 pm
    Also the fact that it would be taxed and aged should be one of the top reasons the government would want to jump on that... you know how much pot I buy? The government could be raking in all this money I have for them... Kinda dumb from their perspective when you think about it
    Dude, I don`t know about you, but I sure as hell wouldn`t want government-approved, capitalism-raped pot.

    It`d be the sh*ttiest, lowest quality, least THC concentrated crap they could buy for the lowest price, sold to us for the highest-possible price they could get away with without people throwing bricks through windows.
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    im_smart Male 18-29
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    September 12, 2010 at 4:50 pm
    "Dude, I don`t know about you, but I sure as hell wouldn`t want government-approved, capitalism-raped pot.

    It`d be the sh*ttiest, lowest quality, least THC concentrated crap they could buy for the lowest price, sold to us for the highest-possible price they could get away with without people throwing bricks through windows."

    Two things...

    1) Capitalism-raped, government-approved pot is currently the strongest poo there is.

    2) What you just described is exactly what suppliers already do.
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    CrakrJak Male 40-49
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    September 12, 2010 at 4:53 pm
    lllBorislll: I`ve drank alcohol before, A few times. Found out that I could very easily become an addict to it, Which some in my family have a history of. I haven`t touched it since my 21st b-day, And don`t have a `craving` for it.

    I`ve never smoked cigarettes, But have been around enough 2nd hand smoke to know that I`d never try it, Same situation with marijuana.

    Basically, If you never try it or try it once and not like it you`re not likely to get `cravings` for it at all. I know people that would love to quit smoking and can`t, Since they can`t quit smoking they continue to backslide on quitting marijuana.
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    lllBorislll Male 18-29
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    September 12, 2010 at 4:54 pm
    Altaru, I never said I wanted it to be that way... I was using the goverments eye. Sure I said I have all this money lying around for them ,and I do, but I sure as hell don`t wanna give it to them though. I already pay enough fu*king taxes... However in the mind of the government that looks like an easy cash grab to young adults who dont have a dealer and whatnot.
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    CrakrJak Male 40-49
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    September 12, 2010 at 5:03 pm
    I agree with Altaru, You pot smokers yearning for `Legalization` are going to rue the day that it is.
    The big corporations are itching to get their hands into the pot business legitimately. They will buy out the small growers, Farm it like corn, manipulate it`s taste and THC, Just like they do cigarettes now. And the taxes that they will initially promise to go to education, health care, or some other `good cause` will eventually go right into the general fund and our schools, hospitals, and `good causes` will get screwed.

    If you don`t believe that prediction, Look at what has been done to Tobacco, Alcohol, Casino revenue, State Lottery revenue, etc...
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    lllBorislll Male 18-29
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    September 12, 2010 at 5:05 pm
    Crakr, when did I say Alcohol and Cigarettes arn`t addictive? I know full hearted that Cigarettes will get you hooked from the nicotine and some alcoholics can`t control themselves yes.. But there is no sign that pot is addictive at all, and it isnt..

    I have a cigarette once in a while (like once a week MAYBE) so I`m not addicted, I know my friends who have to have a smoke at least once every couple hours... beer on the other hand is all about self control and some dont have that control and get addicted.
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    lllBorislll Male 18-29
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    September 12, 2010 at 5:12 pm
    I smoke pot more than cigarettes, I used to smoke it every single day just about a year and a half ago... It was just a thing to do, like playing video games (and who can say that`s not addictive I`ve seen kids care more about COD then their girlfriends, disgusting) but friends changed and I stopped smoking it like that... Now going into college and making new friends, I`ve started back up again and Weed is one of the easiest drugs (I added cigarettes ad alcohol in drug category) to quit
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    Altaru Male 18-29
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    September 12, 2010 at 5:17 pm
    1) Capitalism-raped, government-approved pot is currently the strongest poo there is.
    For medical use, not daily "any time you wanna toke" use.

    I`m sure if tobacco had a medical use, it would be more pure too. When used medically. As is, off the shelf, it`s disgusting and full of so much other crap I can`t believe people touch it.

    2) What you just described is exactly what suppliers already do.
    Maybe the ones you know. I`ve never even come across low-quality crap. And never payed more than I thought it was worth.
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    Reganom Male 18-29
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    September 12, 2010 at 5:22 pm
    @mattybfresh,

    Firstly if i went to another country and broke on of their laws yes i would expect to be punished accordingly. Whether or not i agree with that law. If i were to smuggle dope in from Amsterdam and i was caught then i wouldn`t be suprised for being punished.

    Another thing to remember is whilst weed is not physically addictive it is still addictive. So claims that weed isn`t addictive are wrong.

    Whilst we all hear about a the friend of an aunt of a sister of a friend and so on that they have a friend with problems from weed, i have a direct friend who i know is on medication for schizophrenia (no medical history of) which doctors believe was caused from excessive weed usage.

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    Reganom Male 18-29
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    September 12, 2010 at 5:36 pm
    Before people jump onto me claiming any thing about whether i agree with the law or not, it would be best if i explained where i stand.

    As is, weed is illegal whether you agree with it or not.

    Before i come down on either side of the fence i would prefer to see long-term and short term studies done in the correct medical way for a variety of situations.

    As things stand at the moment i see large numbers of friends or people i know moving on from weed onto the harder drugs. Whether that is the effect of wanting better highs or because in general a dealer doesn`t just stick to weed i don`t know.
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    Angieee Female 13-17
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    September 12, 2010 at 6:20 pm
    Honestly, they should just make it legal. I haven`t tried weed (yet), but I know enough people that smoke it to know that it`s not addictive and not any worse than alcohol. If booze and cigs are legal, weed should be as well.
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    Reganom Male 18-29
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    September 12, 2010 at 6:48 pm
    @ Angieee,

    Marijuana is addictive, in large quantities it is physically addictive, but it can also be pschologically addictive. Whilst yes some people say they have no addiction to it, no cravings, there are also people who show no addiction to other drugs such as cocaine.
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    VikingGuy Male 18-29
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    September 12, 2010 at 6:56 pm
    to the fool who compared runaway slaves to a bunch of stoners earlier in reply to my comment, do rethink your comparisons, or are you really sure you want to claim stoners are on the same level with slaves in how injustly theyre treated?
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    VikingGuy Male 18-29
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    September 12, 2010 at 7:11 pm
    also, to enter the issue of if its addictive or not, i went to school with a ton of peeps who smoked it, they tended to get shaky and nervous and rant on how they needed a smoke and would run out at lunch break to satisfy that urge, so yes, i´d say from what i´ve seen, its addictive.
    as to the people claiming "no its not, i can stop anytime.", heres a suggestion: prove it. if you turn all shaky and feel drawn to it because you cant deal with your everyday without, then perhaps its time to rethink your life? if you dont feel a need for it anymore, then congrats, but realize there is people who can become addicted.

    and as to legalizing it, what people do or take behind closed doors is their business. when it flows onto the street, it becomes other peoples problems in alot of cases.

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    xbx214 Male 18-29
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    September 12, 2010 at 7:17 pm
    @vikingGuy

    Dude STFU you have no idea wtf your talking about and you should just stay away from topics your too stupid to understand.
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    VikingGuy Male 18-29
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    September 12, 2010 at 7:20 pm
    13-17, something probably xbox related in the name...so, how is america today? and isnt your mother probably yelling at you for talking to bad men on the internet again?
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    Altaru Male 18-29
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    September 12, 2010 at 7:29 pm
    @vikingGuy

    Dude STFU you have no idea wtf your talking about and you should just stay away from topics your too stupid to understand.
    >Uses "your" instead of "you`re," as any intelligent person with proper grammar would
    >>13-17
    >>>random anon who has contributed f*ck all other than calling someone an idiot here, with absolutely no actual substance behind his argument...

    Go back to 4chan, where YOUR (proper usage) method of argument might actually have some weight.
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    SaltyVarnish Male 18-29
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    September 12, 2010 at 7:32 pm
    Shouldn`t this discussion be more about the fact that someones rights (could have been anyone) has been violated. I just glanced over whats being said and it sure seems like a discussion about whether or not to legalize pot (just like to take a moment to thank pot for making high school bare-able) To me half the fun of smoking it back then was because it was illegal. But 5 years for selling seeds, come on.....the authorities could have come up with a better reason me thinx.
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    VikingGuy Male 18-29
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    September 12, 2010 at 7:33 pm
    also, if you´d be smart enough to interpret words, you´d notice what i said is basically that i wouldnt be bothered if it went legal, as long as it doesnt follow the path of cigs and alc where you have it being sold to minors (including 13-17 year old rage kiddies like yourself), ads for it nailed on everything inspiring ideas that its "cool" with the whole teen rebel crowd, or have completely stoned peeps wandering the streets.
    face it, everyone hates having a drunkard breathing in their face asking something or babbling nonsense, someone smelling of skunk wouldnt be any more fun.
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    Skeezer1991 Male 18-29
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    September 12, 2010 at 7:42 pm
    "also, if you´d be smart enough to interpret words, you´d notice what i said is basically that i wouldnt be bothered if it went legal, as long as it doesnt follow the path of cigs and alc where you have it being sold to minors (including 13-17 year old rage kiddies like yourself), ads for it nailed on everything inspiring ideas that its "cool" with the whole teen rebel crowd, or have completely stoned peeps wandering the streets.
    face it, everyone hates having a drunkard breathing in their face asking something or babbling nonsense, someone smelling of skunk wouldnt be any more fun."

    Maybe not for you...
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    JUGGALETTEx0 Female 18-29
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    September 12, 2010 at 8:48 pm
    @noarms that kinda sucks because where I`m from, there was a vote to decrim it, it won, the govenor veto`d it, so having votes won`t always help, and why should society get to decide what people can and can`t put into their bodies?

    @edana it`s also illegal because the textile, logging, etc. industires all lobbied against it. Hemp is an amazing thing that can make clothes, paper, food, medicines, and a lot more and they thought it would put them out of business so they lobbied against it. and got their way :( also, they can`t tax it so our greedy government says no

    @tommy2x4 how has mark emery ruined anyone`s life?

    @wertiana weed is not "pretty harmful" at all...at least the drug in itself...what it does depends on the person on the other end but mj in and of itself is not harmful. It is not addictive nor does it change a person, they may change while they`re high be a little giggly, or something but once your high wares off, you`re the same

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    JUGGALETTEx0 Female 18-29
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    September 12, 2010 at 8:49 pm
    (cont.)@reganom, you`re an idiot...weed is not physically addictive AT ALL

    @viking guy....everyone is different, to some it may be MENTALLY addictive but it is in no way shape or form PHYSICALLY addictive

    I just think it`s absoutley ridiculious that they`re spending my drating tax dollars to jail people for such stupid poo. The prisons are already overcrowded enough as it is. It`s not cheap to house prisoners. MJ is a drug which is a lot safer than alcohol and tobacco, that is not physically addicting at all, is absoutley impossibily to OD on unless you were to smoke like 4,000x what it would take for someone to get high. Our marijuana laws cost American tax payers about $42 billion a YEAR...on something that isn`t addictive, and has never killed anyone before. It`s crazy to think that I could lose my job and go to prison for lighting up a joint after a long day of work. To everyone who thinks it should be illegal, why? why do you think it should continue to be illega
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    JUGGALETTEx0 Female 18-29
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    September 12, 2010 at 8:50 pm
    (cont.)
    there is really not a good reason, if it were to become legal, it would help get us closer to solving other problems. It would be regulated and controlled for the most part, it would also be taxed. I`m not lining up to give the government my money, but what they`re wasting $42 billion a year on imprisoning people for, they could use it to make money instead. If you really think that someone should go to jail for smoking a plant that NATURALLY OCCURS on this earth, you`re absoutley batpoo insane. Also, to anyone else who lives in connecticut, there is a rally at the capitol building this saturday 2-5 for Mark Emery.


    sorry bout that long post guys :)
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    mattybfresh Male 18-29
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    September 12, 2010 at 9:13 pm
    @Reganon

    1) The crimes were technically committed from Canada. Now, we can debate about whether a "crime" committed in jurisdiction A can be prosecuted in jurisdiction B, etc. The scarier point is that national sovereignty and individual rights seem to be subjugated to the "moral" interests of the US, and that they can just willy nilly arrest someone anywhere in the world because they broke one of "their" laws. This is, in a hyperbole-laden fashion, like Saudi Arabian officals arresting a woman in Canada for adultery and beheading her.

    2) Cannabis (Hemp, Marijuana, etc.) is illegal largely because of the business interests of tycoons like William Randolph Hearst, not because it has any nefarious medical effects. In fact, it is no less dangerous (perhaps even safer) than acetominophen and ibuprofen and is definitely safer as a "medicinal" product than half the crap they sell to overweight and insecure men and woman as Alternative
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    cagel Female 18-29
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    September 12, 2010 at 9:18 pm
    I am stoned right now, so I am definitely pro-weed.

    But trying to say that marijuana is not "physically" addictive is an inaccurate and unnecessary argument. THC does not cause physical withdrawal symptoms. It does however get picked up by receptors in the brain. The intoxication via THC can become addictive. If a person medicates themselves and thus "mentally" addicted, it is still through an uptake of a chemical into the brain. That is physical.

    The mind and body are not divided. We are chemical, physical animals with brains that run on electricity.

    So yeah, It`s a really stupid argument to argue in favor of weed by saying "It`s addictive." Coffee is addictive, cigarettes are addictive, alcohol is addictive. Those are all legal. Addiction should be a factor in terms of legalizing a mind/body-altering substance.

    The end point has to personal liberty in the context of the community good. Marijuana has no more, if not few
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    mattybfresh Male 18-29
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    September 12, 2010 at 9:21 pm
    cont`d @ Reganon

    3) I`m a neuroscientist (it`s a lackluster job, mostly) and I`ve worked with endocannabinoids and cannabinoids. While these compounds certainly have psychogenic effects, there is little evidence of Schizophrenia developing as a result of pot use. The central tenet is that Marijuana, as a pleasurable drug, releases excess quanitites of Dopamine into the "pleasure centers" of the brain, which coincide somewhat with those areas that are affected in parkinson`s and schizophrenia (the nigrostriatal pathway, for example). However, ALL drugs and ALL pleasurable activities stimulate the production of dopamine in these areas to some degree. In fact, drugs like cocaine DIRECTLY target dopaminergic neurons in the brain and, if there was such a causal link between drug use and schizo, would be much better candidates for drug-induced psychoses.

    I appreciate that humans love anecdotes, but a million anecdotes doesn`t constitute proof. Remember the MMR vac
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    cagel Female 18-29
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    September 12, 2010 at 9:23 pm
    ** marijuana has no more, if not fewer, ill effects on society, public safety, or health than other legal substances.
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    Altaru Male 18-29
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    September 12, 2010 at 9:29 pm
    and why should society get to decide what people can and can`t put into their bodies?
    Because, with a lot of drugs (and alcohol, which is why it bothers me that it`s legal while so much other stuff isn`t), what goes into your body doesn`t stay.

    I`m all for legalizing pot. If someone wants to sit around toking, they can do that. It isn`t likely to send someone into a rage, or make them leave the house and hurt someone else.

    Cocaine, meth, PCP... Stuff like that, I take issue with. Because, more often than not, the person taking the drug isn`t the only one that ends up affected. I`ve dealt with someone pissed off on PCP. Not a pleasant experience... Ever try fighting a dude who doesn`t FLINCH when you kick him square in the nuts?
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    drworm2002 Male 30-39
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    September 12, 2010 at 9:30 pm
    @cagel It is not physically addictive because your body does not crave it. Any addiction is purely mental.
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    Altaru Male 18-29
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    September 12, 2010 at 9:34 pm
    there is little evidence of Schizophrenia developing as a result of pot use.
    You know, my first thought when I read that comment about "excessive marijuana use contributing to schizophrenia" thing was...

    They HAD to have been sprinkling it with something. I`ve NEVER known someone to end up even hallucinating from just pot. Let alone ending up a schizo...
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    mattybfresh Male 18-29
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    September 12, 2010 at 9:37 pm
    @Reganon

    1) The crimes were technically committed from Canada. Now, we can debate about whether a "crime" committed in jurisdiction A can be prosecuted in jurisdiction B, etc. The scarier point is that national sovereignty and individual rights seem to be subjugated to the "moral" interests of the US, and that they can just willy nilly arrest someone anywhere in the world because they broke one of "their" laws. This is, in a hyperbole-laden fashion, like Saudi Arabian officals arresting a woman in Canada for adultery and beheading her.

    2) Cannabis (Hemp, Marijuana, etc.) is illegal largely because of the business interests of tycoons like William Randolph Hearst, not because it has any nefarious medical effects. In fact, it is no less dangerous (perhaps even safer) than acetominophen and ibuprofen and is definitely safer as a "medicinal" product than half the crap they sell to overweight and insecure men and woman as Alternative
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    JUGGALETTEx0 Female 18-29
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    September 12, 2010 at 9:52 pm
    @altaru <I>"Because, with a lot of drugs (and alcohol, which is why it bothers me that it`s legal while so much other stuff isn`t), what goes into your body doesn`t stay.

    I`m all for legalizing pot. If someone wants to sit around toking, they can do that. It isn`t likely to send someone into a rage, or make them leave the house and hurt someone else.

    Cocaine, meth, PCP... Stuff like that, I take issue with. Because, more often than not, the person taking the drug isn`t the only one that ends up affected. I`ve dealt with someone pissed off on PCP. Not a pleasant experience... Ever try fighting a dude who doesn`t FLINCH when you kick him square in the nuts?" </I>

    if you`re refering to what I said, I must have worded it wrong, why should they decide what completley natural stuff people put into their bodies
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    Altaru Male 18-29
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    September 12, 2010 at 10:01 pm
    if you`re refering to what I said, I must have worded it wrong, why should they decide what completley natural stuff people put into their bodies
    That`s better. Natural is rarely, if ever, destructive.

    Oh, and if you want the words to be italicized, You have to use the



    tags (without the spaces, of course).
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    rakoonhat Female 30-39
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    September 12, 2010 at 10:11 pm
    fail
    i dont even remotley give a crap about the pot at this moment. people need to stay on subject and quit running off on tangents.

    my question is, if he did this in canada, the canadian police just let them cross the border and take him? why would they do that?..otherwise he would of had to be in america when he sold one of the seed packets..in that case he deserves it. i wouldnt go to another country and start breaking every law i could find, whether i find it silly or not , and be like," no its cool, im from this country so its okay." ahh no sir.
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    megavidiot Male 30-39
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    September 12, 2010 at 10:58 pm
    emery is an idiot, loves the sound of his own voice, and a controlling brainwasher.

    smoking pot , not a big deal really, but this guy needs to be shut up.
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    JUGGALETTEx0 Female 18-29
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    September 12, 2010 at 11:15 pm
    ahhh ty altaru...i`ve been around here for quite a while and never fricken knew how to do that. I never needed to so i thought they would have something on the side with link image and smiley and they didnt so i thought i would need the html or w/e the <i> </i> is so thanks now i know :) :)
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    CrakrJak Male 40-49
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    September 13, 2010 at 1:51 am
    That`s better. Natural is rarely, if ever, destructive.

    Cocaine, Heroin, Atropine, Nicotine, Muscarine, Hemlock, Dimethyltryptamine, and Mescaline can all be destructive (In various ways) and are all `Natural`.

    Just because something is labeled `Natural` doesn`t mean it isn`t harmful, That includes pot
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    jr1 Male 18-29
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    September 13, 2010 at 2:52 am
    @CrakrJak

    Seriously, have you ever seen how they make Cocaine? It may start out as natural but it sure anything but. Same with Nicotine, what you get off the plant isn`t exactly what you get in the end product.

    Anyway, pot isn`t nearly anywhere near as harmful as half the legal drugs out there that the government deem ok for you use, yet it is one of the most controversial.
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    number43 Male 70 & Over
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    September 13, 2010 at 2:57 am
    erm... Yeah I would say he was targeted because he is so politically active. If you stand up and say "Yo, look at this! I`m totally doing this right now," people are going to notice. By the by, people should take notice to the part where the anchor said he turned himself over to police. That means he voluntarily came to the police. Seattle didn`t send in a SEAL team to recover this guy from the clutches of the Canadian government.

    And who was responsible for the caption? That is barely comprehensible.
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    CrakrJak Male 40-49
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    September 13, 2010 at 3:25 am
    jr1: It`s not about how it`s synthesized, It`s about it`s `natural` source. A lot of `natural` products you might find in a health and nutrition store are chemically synthesized a lot like cocaine.
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    Reganom Male 18-29
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    September 13, 2010 at 3:27 am
    Marijuana damage

    Another side effect

    Whilst most people can`t vies the entire paper the abstract is enough. They both suggest adverse effects of marijuana.

    @jugalette

    Why is weed not physically addictive? I know people that can`t go a day without smoking some, and if they don`t smoke they get the shakes, get cranky and show the similar signs of quitting any other addictive substance.
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    Reganom Male 18-29
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    September 13, 2010 at 3:30 am
    Sorry that was meant to be "view" not "vies".

    Sadly the letters qweasdzxc have rubbed off so i often mistype them if i don`t pay attention, clearly too much gaming.
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    zombunny Female 18-29
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    September 13, 2010 at 5:44 am
    "Why is weed not physically addictive? I know people that can`t go a day without smoking some, and if they don`t smoke they get the shakes, get cranky and show the similar signs of quitting any other addictive substance."

    This is not a physical addiction. It is entirely possible to become emotionally addicted to marijuana, becoming depressed without it. The same way a person can get addicted to fattening foods or sex or just about anything else. It is not the same kind of addiction one would experience with harder drugs.
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    vog51 Male 30-39
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    September 13, 2010 at 5:57 am
    " I know people that can`t go a day without smoking some, and if they don`t smoke they get the shakes, get cranky and show the similar signs of quitting any other addictive substance. "

    Reganom - no you don`t. you`re thinking about your alcoholic friends. cut it out.
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    madest Male 40-49
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    September 13, 2010 at 6:11 am
    @ Reaganom,
    Marijuana is not a "gateway" drug. Chomosomal damage doesn`t say much. You can have chomosomal damage and live a full life. What`s the chromosomal damage of eating beef?
    It comes down to this: Marijuana has been proven to reduce pain and relive ailments associated with chemotherapy. Nobody has ever OD`d on marijuana. Don`t the pharmaceuticals wish they could make the same claims?
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    Reganom Male 18-29
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    September 13, 2010 at 6:21 am
    @madest

    I`m not saying there aren`t benefits to marijuana in medicinal usage, in fact if it helps someone who`s going through chemo then i think it`s damn good. If you have any links to long term statistically relevant studies on marijuana usage then by all means i would read them. I`ve already stated that i don`t have a side yet, i need more evidence.

    @zombunny
    Yes there is psychological addiction but in chronic users there is also physical addiction.
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    Reganom Male 18-29
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    September 13, 2010 at 6:21 am
    also @madest

    Is there anyway you can suggest a reply function to the powers that be? As all this @ gets a little confusing sometimes.
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    Gerry1of1 Male 50-59
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    September 13, 2010 at 7:51 am
    if you outlaw a substance that a large number of people want, you just get a crime cartel controlling the supply, quality, and price..... Oh wait, that was Alcohol prohibition.

    We just don`t learn our lessons do we?
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    gary8162 Male 40-49
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    September 13, 2010 at 8:25 am
    "Marijuana is definitely a gateway drug. A gateway to good times." - Comedian Doug Benson.(Angilion, that`s for you. Don`t want you to think I`m taking credit for saying it.)
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    lllBorislll Male 18-29
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    September 13, 2010 at 8:35 am
    @Reganom, are you sure they aren`t doing Heroin on the side?

    I`ve smoked pot every day for probably about 4 months about a year and a half ago (maybe a day or two were i didn`t smoke it) that was just my friends, if i didn`t have some you can bet your ass one of my buddies did.

    Anyways i moved to a different area and lost touch with some of those people and i stopped smoking pot completely for 6 months, never ONCE had a craving for it (including these so called shivers). then it was a recreational use (maybe once or twice a week when i found a friend who smokes it and i started buying again) Then i start college and of course people are smoking pot again pretty much daily. I dont know how you can judge if it`s addictive or not when you`re just looking at you`re "friends" if you don`t know first hand what it`s like I`d pretty much just shut my mouth and go do some research (go smoke a joint or at least watch The Union: The business of getting high)
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    Reganom Male 18-29
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    September 13, 2010 at 10:07 am
    @boris

    You do realise research doesn`t have to be first hand don`t you? I don`t have to do cocaine to do a paper on it, i don`t have to be part of a gang to know about gangs. You see where i`m going?

    What makes you think i haven`t tried weed? I`ve been to uni, i`ve tried it, i didn`t like it.
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    SPrinkZ Male 18-29
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    September 13, 2010 at 10:46 am
    Rega,

    No one cares. And you need some first-hand evidence to prove pretty much anything. Otherwise what are we going on here? How one perceives another`s behavior? That offers no insight. You have no insight into the issues at hand. Unless you do the research, don`t waste our time.
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    Reganom Male 18-29
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    September 13, 2010 at 10:56 am
    SPrinkZ:

    If i read a wiki article on something that is research. Research doesn`t have to be first hand experience. My personal uni tutor is researching cures for cancer and he doesn`t have cancer. Are you saying that everything he does is invalidated by the lack of cancer? That everyone that reads his papers are learning nothing unless they have cancer?
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    boNeymiZz Male 18-29
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    September 13, 2010 at 11:16 am
    fk i love Canada
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    cagel Female 18-29
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    September 13, 2010 at 12:35 pm
    This nonsense about a separation of mental/physical addiction is based on an archaic separation of the mind and body. Everything mental is based in physical, chemical, electrical reactions in the brain.

    People who say that Marijuana is not physically addictive are trying to use a simplistic way to justify what is drug use. Substance use. Substances can be abused. But if you can`t become "physically" addicted, then you feel better about it. The addiction argument is moot.

    http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Addiction

    Cannabis addiction does not manifest physical withdrawal symptoms such as hallucinations, DT`s, etc. But it can have emotional withdrawal symptoms such as severe anxiety.

    If you have to use cannabis regularly in order to feel "normal" and are anxiious, irritable, and aware of the absence of the drug in your system, you are addicted.

    This
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    cagel Female 18-29
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    September 13, 2010 at 12:36 pm
    Criteria for Cannabis Dependence
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    cagel Female 18-29
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    September 13, 2010 at 12:38 pm
    p.s. I will smoke a blunt with most of you unless you start saying a bunch of nonsense about which you know nothing.
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    zombunny Female 18-29
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    September 13, 2010 at 2:13 pm
    "Why is weed not physically addictive? I know people that can`t go a day without smoking some, and if they don`t smoke they get the shakes, get cranky and show the similar signs of quitting any other addictive substance."

    This is not a physical addiction. It is entirely possible to become emotionally addicted to marijuana, becoming depressed without it. The same way a person can get addicted to fattening foods or sex or just about anything else. It is not the same kind of addiction one would experience with harder drugs.
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    AnarchistGod Male 70 & Over
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    September 13, 2010 at 4:30 pm
    @cagel
    wikipedia? seriously?
    and "Everything mental is based in physical, chemical, electrical reactions in the brain." yeah, duh, but that`s just the words of a smartass. You know what they mean. And they don`t do it to feel "normal" they do it for the high, because being high feels better than feeling normal. Unless you mean if they smoke so much that being high is actually normal to them...
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    Altaru Male 18-29
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    September 13, 2010 at 5:23 pm
    Just because something is labeled `Natural` doesn`t mean it isn`t harmful, That includes pot
    How many classes did you have to take before you became so talented at completely missing the point?
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    CrakrJak Male 40-49
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    September 13, 2010 at 10:40 pm
    Altaru: How many classes did it take you for to learn to be a snarky wank ?
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    Angilion Male 40-49
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    September 14, 2010 at 3:31 am
    I`m laughing at what extreme lengths some posters are taking the "natural = harmless" argument to.

    It`s bullpoo anyway, but it`s risible bullpoo when taken to these lengths.

    If you were arguing that cannabis today is more harmful than cannabis in the 60s because it has been modified to be several times as strong as the naturally occuring cannabis that was all that existed back then, you`d have a point.

    Simply arguing that something is harmless because it`s natural, QED, is a joke. Arsenic is natural. Aconite, used for murder throughout Europe throughout recorded history because it`s so extremely poisonous, is natural.
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    Angilion Male 40-49
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    September 14, 2010 at 3:32 am
    Open question for all those who are arguing that it is impossible to be physically addicted to THC:

    Why?
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    skaterboy17 Male 18-29
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    September 14, 2010 at 6:41 am
    @Angilion:

    People are arguing that because it is. THC is not a physically addictive chemical. It`s like saying that someone can physically be addicted to sitting in their Lazy Boy. Sure, they can sit in it so much that they don`t want to sit in another chair in the room and watch tv, can`t concentrate on the tv when they`re in a different position, watching it at a different angle, but they`re not physically addicted to it. That`s a mental thing. I know lots of people who are psychologically addicted to pot, act weird when they`re not high, but that`s all it is. They just think that they can`t go without it. If a long-time pot smoker stops "cold turkey," the only thing that would make them want to smoke is the fact that they like doing it, just like someone might like sitting in their favorite chair.
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    Angilion Male 40-49
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    September 14, 2010 at 11:05 am
    People are arguing that because it is. THC is not a physically addictive chemical. It`s like saying that someone can physically be addicted to sitting in their Lazy Boy.

    Restating the proposition is not proving it.

    All I`ve found online is the unsubstantiated hypothesis that THC is only mildly physically addictive because it hangs around in your body for so long that even if you stop taking it you`ll still in effect be gradually reducing your intake as the stored THC is used up. I think that must be wrong, because the stuff that hangs around isn`t used
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    Amurika Male 30-39
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    September 14, 2010 at 11:52 am
    ahh yes, the silly weed prohibition. its more harmful for lazy phucks to sit for several hours behind their mindless TV`s eating junk food and complaining/feeling sorry for themselves about being overweight.
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    Altaru Male 18-29
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    September 14, 2010 at 11:54 am
    Arsenic is natural. Aconite, used for murder throughout Europe throughout recorded history because it`s so extremely poisonous, is natural.
    Well DUUUH...

    I wasn`t arguing poisons, for christ`s sake. Of course they`ll kill you, natural or not.

    But, like with cocaine, if it doesn`t kill you just by consumption, it`s usually better for you when it`s natural as opposed to processed.

    Like with cocaine. In the plant, there are trace amounts of the actual drug, yes, but not enough to get the highs we know are bad. Hell, people drink the Coca plant in TEA. Same with heroin. Before it`s processed and extracted to be purified through acid baths and all that, it`s quite a bit less destructive. People eat poppy seeds on bagels, and it doesn`t kill them.

    What I`m saying is, all things in moderation, as nature intended. Extracted, processed, and purified is NOT moderation.
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    gary8162 Male 40-49
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    September 14, 2010 at 5:24 pm
    Actually Angilion, I learned in high school(back in the 70`s) that marijuana is not physically addicting. It`s emotionally or mentally addicting. In other words, if you quit smoking pot for any length of time, you don`t suffer from the D.T.`s of withdrawal as you would with other hard drugs. At the worse, you might just be "jonesing" for more. I do remember it was in my health book. I wouldn`t read much into the fact that you can`t find anything about it on the internet. The internet isn`t exactly the "be all end all" of information. Try a library.

    Not trying to be a smart ass but you`re probably going to be offended anyway and take the hard line against everything I`ve said anyway just for spite. Have a lovely evening.
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    Angilion Male 40-49
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    September 14, 2010 at 6:08 pm
    Actually, gary8162, I was more interested in all the people claiming that THC, despite the way it works, cannot possibly be physically addictive...and having no idea why they think that. You`re doing the same thing, just being more insulting about it.

    In general, when someone makes a claim the onus is on them to substantiate it.

    You make the claim that THC cannot be physically addictive. The onus is on you to substantiate that claim. You or anyone else making that claim.

    Stating that all withdrawal symptoms must be purely psychological because they can`t be physical isn`t substantiating the claim.
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    Angilion Male 40-49
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    September 14, 2010 at 6:18 pm
    This was my point, Altaru:

    Simply arguing that something is harmless because it`s natural, QED, is a joke.

    That was the argument being made - that "natural" and "harmless" mean the same thing.

    Your modified argument is really one of dosage, not source. Chewing coca leaves is far less harmful simply because they are 99% other stuff and you`ll only get a fraction of the 1% anyway - you`re simply taking less cocaine that way.
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    jeepjones Male 30-39
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    September 15, 2010 at 5:25 am
    Lets say your 18 and you get arrested in Canada for being in possession of a joint, now skip ahead 18 yrs. You haven`t been in trouble with the law except for that single time, your at the USA/Canada border and are being refused entry to the US because of that time when you were 18, WTF is up with that BS, you tell me.
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    gary8162 Male 40-49
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    September 15, 2010 at 7:36 am
    O.K. Angilion,
    As to your "natural=harmless" argument, I completely agree with you. After all, U.V.rays are natural. Yet in high doses, they`re lethal...as is everything in high doses. Studies show that a lethal dose of THC to be smoked would be 1500 lbs. in a 14 minute period. PAR-TY.

    Also, when talking about THC,there is addiction then there is habituation...Two totally different things but the meanings do get confused with each other.
    An addictive subtance is something that, when taken long enough, produces gross phsyiogical changes in the way the body works, so that normal operation of the body is impossible without that substance being injested. And as the substance must, by definition, form a tolerance, higher and higher dosages are needed.
    Habituation are things you crave but do not create a gross physiological change in the way your body works.
    By the way,this is not a class room. We`re not being graded here. Let`s dial it down a bit.
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    Angilion Male 40-49
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    September 15, 2010 at 9:55 am
    I`d really like an answer to the question I actually asked, which wasn`t a request for yet another explanation of the difference between physical and psychological addiction.

    "Why is THC not physically addictive?" is not the same as "tell me again that it isn`t because it isn`t."

    All these people all over the net saying that it isn`t...and not one of them knows why. Sounds more like faith than reason.
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    gary8162 Male 40-49
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    September 15, 2010 at 1:43 pm
    Angilion, it seems you are purposely missing the point. THC doesn`t cause any physiological change in the human body, ergo it is not physiologically addictive. I can`t explain why it doesn`t cause any change and I can`t explain why cocaine or heroin does.
    I`ve broken it down into the simplest explanation that anyone should understand. No physiological change equals no physiological addiction.. I submit the onus is now on you to explain why you think it is addictive.
    Of course, I`m assuming you think it is addictive and not just arguing for the sake of arguing. That would just be childish.
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    Angilion Male 40-49
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    September 15, 2010 at 7:07 pm
    THC doesn`t cause any physiological change in the human body, ergo it is not physiologically addictive.

    Yes it does, in the mesolimbic dopamine system. So your argument fails.

    Of course, I`m assuming you think it is addictive and not just arguing for the sake of arguing. That would just be childish.

    I was asking a question for the sake of an answer. You might see that as childish. I don`t.

    I don`t know if THC is physically addictive. That`s why I asked. I prefer to know things rather than just pluck an opinion out of the air to suit whatever I want to believe is true.

    I`ve been looking through medical studies (very boring) and it seems the evidence is uncertain. Withdrawal symptoms are proven. Whether the cause is habituation or physically addiction isn`t.
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    gary8162 Male 40-49
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    September 16, 2010 at 3:51 am
    You`re right in saying the mesolimbic dopamine system undergoes a physiological change. That`s where the reward system for the brain takes place. The same physiological change takes place, to some degree, when you eat chocolate or have sex or any other enjoyable activity. However,that doesn`t mean it was caused by THC. It would be more accurate to say a physiological change occurs as your reward. The reports I`ve read say that THC may contribute to an increase in dopamine levels and thus may be related to reinforcing the effects of marijuana. None of them have said conclusively it is addictive.
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