The Empathic Civilization

Submitted by: davymid 6 years ago in

A real thought-provoker about the human race. A bit longer than most IAB vids, worth watching if you have the 10 mins.
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Male 65
Um, yeah, it`s called being a mammal.
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Male 150
these vids never fail to blow my mind.
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Male 568
@npdarren
Unlike yourself, no attempt at sounding intellectual was made or forced.
You probably spent more brain power thinking about how you`d denounce me on the insignificant grammatical error than thinking about what I actually said.
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Male 568
This is evident in your `examination` of the enemy concept.
First. This blueprint has been drawn up as it is precisely because we`ve been stuck within shouting distance for so long. The people of this globe aren`t stuck anymore...so why are `nations` acting like it? What you say might be true, without enemies evolution wouldn`t have happened but our species hasn`t evolved much since the start of that social blueprint. Socially, we (YOU & everyone with this mindset) are acting as if we are different species that can`t coexist. The only enemy is a group of humans that can`t deal with the fact that all cultural bullpoo aside, they are the same as everyone else.
Second and Last. "Lets" has an apostrophe between the Tee and the Ess, and you brought that one on yourself. Otherwise I DGAF.
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Male 599
agree with npdarren:
http://www.cracked.com/
article_14990_what-monkeysphere.html
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Male 2,424
I really love these videos, keep them coming.
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Male 601
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...competition that drives evolution, and without an enemy there is no competition.
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Male 601
"makes crystal clear sense unless your tied down by your own false beliefs."

"Your just stuck in your frame of nationalistic thinking"

Sorry, just can`t get over your misuse of the word "your". It kinda ruins the delivery and makes any attempt at sounding intellectual seem forced and superficial.

Also, you`re not making the distinction between reality and an ideal. I agree that a society does not need an enemy or nation or religion to function, but the course of our evolution has created these such dependencies.

Lets examine the "enemy" concept. In our cultural infancy tens of thousands of years ago the blueprints for today`s world were already being drawn. We fought each other for food and territory just as we fight each other today. If we did not fight and merely coexisted we would still be at that infantile stage where we only care for the livelihoods of the people within shouting distance because it is c
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Male 568
@SpartaKitty
Wouldn`t you agree that you are the product of the Earth and so technically you are Earth? Just because you can walk around its surface and differentiate yourself from it in your head, doesn`t mean your a separate entity from another point of view. Not caring for the planet would be not caring for yourself since you are a product of the planet.
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Male 568
Some of your reactions to this video are so flawed. Everything this guy`s saying makes crystal clear sense unless your tied down by your own false beliefs.
To those saying we require a `Nation` a `Religion` an `Enemy` .... No we don`t. You`ve been brought up in a time where those words relate to ideas that have created the world we live in today. Your just stuck in your frame of nationalistic thinking that`s a product of the 20th century,WWI, WWII etc.
I was surprised he didn`t cover more on the relation between evolution and globalization. With evolution we see that large separations by time and space can cause large deviations of a previously identical group (different species). The same exact thing is applicable to the human culture constructs that breed nations, religions, and the things blocking us from seeing that somewhere along the line we were all one. As globalization progresses this will be an undeniable fact.
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Male 76
I guess an alien invasion wouldn`t be a bad thing then, as long as we win the war of course LOL
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Male 2,056
ranon, exactly what I thought
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Female 282
Woooow....that was most certainly very interesting, I really liked how the pictures and words flowed with what he was saying.
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Male 295
He asks as to why we cannot have empathy for the entire globe as an extension of the blood ties, religious ties and nation ties that are there currently.

The answer is that we as humans require the existence of the other, the enemy. So in the case of the blood ties it was the next tribe. In case of the religious ties it various religions fought many wars. Same as for nation states.

Now, if aliens are proven to exist, then I am sure that the entire planet will come together to fight them off and we will get the formation of planetary ties.
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Male 75
@teph: That`s because they only feel empathy for their country or religion as he explained. Would this develop to everyone feeling empathy for each other, then there would be no wars anymore.
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Male 25,416
meh!
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Male 37,683
We are moving towards "anti-babalon" whereby we will someday ALL speak the same language. The internet is the driving force (all social change must have some force behind it to overcome inertia and resistance, eh?). Then it will be a lot easier to feel empathy towards all humanity, I think :)

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Male 17,512
After reading the Time piece on him, His idea that society should be the judge of what technology we employ is not bad. After all who the heck enjoys those damn multi-step phone menus, When all you want is a real person ? (Preferably one that can actually speak your language fluently).

Just because science can do certain things, Doesn`t mean they should, Especially without the informed consent of society.

I have reservations about his other conclusions, But The above `societal consent` is certainly a needed component if we are to keep our world from becoming a frankensteinish nightmare.
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Male 650
I think he has a point about empathy, but he totally missed the bit on how people will kill and fight each other for nations or religions.
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Female 3,562
Let`s face it though, in order to survive as a living thing you have to cause suffering to a lot of other living things. Just the burden you place on your parents is plenty, but there`s also the lives you need to end just to eat. Being empathetic is not really a solution to everything.
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Male 907
Smart guy, but like many, he twists things to fit his personal social and political agenda.
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Female 3,562
Nothing I didn`t already know here, having learned a bit about anthropology and psychology already. I think there`s nothing new here anyway, I do think most people empathize with the entire world on some level. There is no person who doesn`t wish that suffering was reduced in this world. Is there anyone who wishes all living things suffer? There are a lot of people who think that their special group is all that deserves happiness, but they still want what makes them special to apply to everyone. So maybe you believe only christians go to heaven, but then you also wish there were more non-christian people who become christian so more people can go to heaven, because you don`t want to see people suffering. There are exceptions, but overall most people are globally empathetic.
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Female 2,120
Meh, I like animals, and I do wish people got along better, but there is no fcuking way I`m going to be all hugsy wugsy and love the planet like I love people and animals. I recycle, I use a metal bottle instead of a plastic one, and that`s all I`m doing.
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Male 11
Alright, enough of that. He lost me at "saving the planet."
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Male 730
Interesting. There are flaws as with all theories and whatnot but this is interesting.
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Male 1,371
This guy is a damn genius.
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Male 2,422
Here`s a bit of background info about Jeremy Rifkin and his relationship to mainstream scientists (a bit dated I admit). Just remember that like everybody else he`s pushing his own agenda. Whether you agree with that agenda or not is for you to decide but it`s always good to have perspective. Here
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Female 150
my brain hurts.
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Male 160
You cannot have us without them.
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Male 37,683
[quote]Slavery is utilitarian, freedom is empathic.[/quote]
Actually, slavery isn`t all that utilitarian. It costs money to keep & control the slaves. It can be cheaper to have "freemen" do the work, and free peoples work a LOT harder than enslaved ones.

The reason slavery was so VERY profitable in the pre-civil war south was: the banning of importing new slaves made each existing slave more valuable! Breeding new slaves made you a LOT of money. Just before the war, the trade in slaves was the biggest part of the south`s economy!

It`s sometimes counter-intuitaveas to just what is and is not `utilitarian`. If something saves you money, but ends up costing more than you save, was it worth it? This can be applied to abstract ideas like empathy too, IMHO.
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Male 37,683
PK Dick wrote a lot about this some 50 years ago.
Isn`t human empathy a lot like human altruism? In practice I mean.

First 5 minutes: OK so far
apx 5:00 - un oh! The hippie language is creeping in!
6:30 - this is a massive oversimplification! There was inter-tribal communications as long as humanoids have been around. The glacier-mummy is evidence of that. Oh it was primitave for sure, but our cave-men were smarter than we give them credit.
apx 8:00 - this sounds a LOT like McLuhan which is not a criticism, eh? That guy was a genius and so many of his ideas are proving to be true.
apx 10:10 - here he gets it 100% correct! Bravo!

So yup! "we are the woooorld! We are the chiiildreeeen!"
And we can`t eat animals, or plants either! Lolz! We need to empahtise with asparaguses!!! (Asparagi?)
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Male 99
"Lets shorten this 10 minute movie to just a couple words that have been circulating for years: CAN`T WE ALL JUST dratING GET ALONG!?!?!?!?"

Rodney King.
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Female 46
Hello I`m from Earth, I am an earthling!! Lets all say it together!!!
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Female 735
I liked this alot. I was listening to my pandora at the same time, and The Black Balloon by The Goo Goo Dolls came on. It sounded perfect in the background. : )
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Male 1,064
He`s basing all this on just empathy? I think our sense of justice is much more important, and something much more common with others.
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Male 290
As far as I remember, the evidence of `one woman - Eve` and `one man - Y-Adam` exists, but the narrator fails to mention that Eve`s DNA footprint precedes that of Adam`s by a few thousand years.
And no I`m not saying God created Eve first or anything like that.
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Female 238
Lets shorten this 10 minute movie to just a couple words that have been circulating for years: CAN`T WE ALL JUST dratING GET ALONG!?!?!?!?
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Male 1,064
He`s basing all this on just empathy? I think our sense of justice is much more important, and something much more common with others.
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Male 1,054
"Terrific artwork, but the speech is mainly a load of touchy-feely "We are the world" rhetoric."

That kind of empty dismissal indicates that you feel threatened or shamed. The lecture began with current research into the functioning of the human brain, developed trends in that research both forward and backward into human history, and project a hypothesis.

Perhaps some in our society are simply throw-backs to less evolved versions of humanity.
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Male 1,054
"We`re also soft-wired to discriminate against different races whether or not they share our religious beliefs or were born in the same country."

Data on this is mixed. On the one hand, there is strong evidence that many biased are social constructs that are taught. On the other hand, some research indicates that some biases may be innate, like racism. Studies with infants found that at a certain age, they began to show evidence of a preference for other infants of their own skin color. However, these experiments to date have employed no found a way to compensate for non-verbal training in racism from their parents.

"Are humans soft-wired for a sense of justice/ revenge? If a serial murderer is given the death sentence, am I supposed to feel bad for him because he`s a fellow human?"

Those who are psychologically health are. The innate sense of right/wrong, justice/injustice is a universal across societies, though the specifics of how i
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Male 1,054
"I am a skeptical, this guy doesn`t understand the reasoning behind the data, he is just lumping together a bunch of half-baked ideas to justify hippie love based politics. "

LOL. Your use of the pejorative dismissal "hippie based love politics" indicates that you do not understand the material.

"For one, He referred to Mitochondrial Eve and Y-nuclear Adam as if they knew each other and together were the the start of humanity."

No, he did not. Nothing in his statement indicates that.

""Empathy" and utilitarianism are not contradictory in any sense,"

Actually, they are often quite contradictory. Slavery is utilitarian, freedom is empathic.

"it is of greater utility to be part of a social group because it makes accomplishing tasks far easier"

However, one must then share the rewards of the task, which reduces the compensation for the work invested in the task. Fr
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Male 2,440
[quote]I am a skeptical, this guy doesn`t understand the reasoning behind the data, he is just lumping together a bunch of half-baked ideas to justify hippie love based politics. For one, He referred to Mitochondrial Eve and Y-nuclear Adam as if they knew each other and together were the the start of humanity. Nothing could be further from the truth, as they lived thousands of years apart.
"Empathy" and utilitarianism are not contradictory in any sense, it is of greater utility to be part of a social group because it makes accomplishing tasks far easier.[/quote]
My thoughts exactly, Volsunga.
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Female 1,380
@ borederd, if you`re going to criticize someone`s spelling, make sure they`re really wrong first of else you just look stupid.
They`re both correct...
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Male 576
cave woman boobs
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Female 322
Gerry1of1 - oh, yeah, I hear that.
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Male 1,548
I am a skeptical, this guy doesn`t understand the reasoning behind the data, he is just lumping together a bunch of half-baked ideas to justify hippie love based politics. For one, He referred to Mitochondrial Eve and Y-nuclear Adam as if they knew each other and together were the the start of humanity. Nothing could be further from the truth, as they lived thousands of years apart.
"Empathy" and utilitarianism are not contradictory in any sense, it is of greater utility to be part of a social group because it makes accomplishing tasks far easier.
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Male 533
Humans/Primates are herd animals. But yeah, some animals are empathic with humans: dolphins, dogs, elephants and others.

This is over-generalized. We`re also soft-wired to discriminate against different races whether or not they share our religious beliefs or were born in the same country.
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Male 776
including all animals!?!

drat sharks man... drat sharks... they are definitely out.
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Male 7,378
All of these speech animations are fascinating. This one makes me wonder if I should have been a caveman.
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Male 73
I liked the video, but I only have question. Are humans soft-wired for a sense of justice/ revenge? If a serial murderer is given the death sentence, am I supposed to feel bad for him because he`s a fellow human?

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Male 2,549
The human species is inherently good ... and this is because of our mortality??

Cute thought I guess, but nothing more to my subjective mind.

I agree with Gerry1of1
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Male 5,194
[quote]In love RSA animations and thought-provoking lectures, but this one doesn`t do it for me.

E.g. "We have to change the human narrative"?! Really? Psycho jargon mumbo jambo, not even the author knows what that means! This video is just a bunch of inflated things that everybody knew already. We are the world... [/quote]

My thoughts exactly. Terrific artwork, but the speech is mainly a load of touchy-feely "We are the world" rhetoric.
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Female 47
nickyjefferz, Good to know that here are more people out there who know their stuff.
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Male 38,457
maybe we`re "soft wired" for both..... violence AND compassion. I am. I can feel bad for someone who`s sad while at the same time wanting to smack them on the head for causing the stupid problem in the first place.
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Male 2,506
Civilisation The guy typos like 20 thousand times then...
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Male 20
The speech itself warrants a 4/4.
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Male 106
This works well with the concept of the Venus Project.
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Male 10
In love RSA animations and thought-provoking lectures, but this one doesn`t do it for me.

E.g. "We have to change the human narrative"?! Really? Psycho jargon mumbo jambo, not even the author knows what that means! This video is just a bunch of inflated things that everybody knew already. We are the world...
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Male 12,138
Link: The Empathic Civilization [Rate Link] - A real thought-provoker about the human race. A bit longer than most IAB vids, worth watching if you have the 10 mins.
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