Terry Jones And His 9/11 Koran Burning Interview

Submitted by: celtics23 7 years ago in

9/11 Koran burner Terry Jones talks about burning Koran, also dislikes Jews and homosexuals.
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Male 1,625
We are not a christian nation. It`s rhetoric that is bunk. It sends a stronger message of american values to stand for religious freedom, instead of burning a book.
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Male 113
but... hmm, okay then
good day to you too
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Female 322
don;t bother answering - i`m outta here
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Female 322
ruez: one part of it being questionable (Mohammed`s response to someone taking pity of a dog) means the whole thing is questionable. Why show kindness to someone showing kindness to a dog when you detest and have killed same dogs>?
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Male 113
sure, it`s true, although the arabic meaning is a lil bit lost when translated to english, but the point is there, yeah
in fact, i know 12 hadiths about killing dogs except those used for service. Muhammad SAW ordered them killed because Gabriel/Jibrail said that angels don`t go near dogs. keep in mind that there, most of the citizens are Muslims, and he only wanted the city to be maximally visitable by angels.

but still, what does that have to do with my post on the forgiven prostitute? it tells of how one genuine act of kindness trumps sins if willed by God. the animal there could very well have been a pig, platypus or a penguin. that there, is the question.
personally, i think puppies are adorable.
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Female 322
Is this reference not true?
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Female 322
ruez: rom Muslim #3814 Ibn Mughaffal reported: Allah`s messenger ordered the killing of dogs and then said, "what is the trouble with them (the people of Medina? How dogs are nuisances to them (the citizens of Medina)? He then permitted keeping of dogs for hunting and (the protection of) herds. ...[and for] for the protection of cultivated land.
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Male 17,511
davymid: None of the sites I list are `Hate` sites, They don`t advocate going out and lynching people or violating their civil rights (As the kkk and nazis do). One of the sites I linked to is ran by muslims themselves.

Then again, Those Dutch cartoons of mohammed were deemed `hateful`. They were just cartoons, Much tamer then some atheist cartoons I`ve seen of Jesus, Mary, And God. As I said earlier, ANY criticism of islam is deemed as hate, Yet Christianity gets a boot to the head here at least once a week.
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Male 17,511
Baalthazaq: [quote]Saturday, September 11, 2010 11:45:42 AM
Also, Crakr, how about I link you to a couple of sites to cure you of your Pedophilia?

Oh... wait, I`m sorry, was that offensive?[/quote]

I`ve never once accused Baal of anything even close to the above. That slur crossed the line, But he thinks it`s perfectly fine.
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Male 12,138
Look Crakr, no-one is getting banned, no-one is talking about getting banned, except you. I can assure you, that the VERY LAST PERSON who would ever ban you on this website is Baal, and I stand behind that statement. The day that Baal personally attacks you (rather than critising your posts), or baits you to get banned, is the day that I quit IAB as Mod.

Baal is honorable, he`s a good man. I strongly suggest that you`re seeing Demons where there are none.
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Male 12,138
Look, Crakr. Baal is doing no more than defending his position. Just as I do when I see religion assault science. Just as Baal does when he sees his personal faith of Islam portrayed on the bleatings of some extremist islamophobic websites which are actually banned in many US colleges/workplaces (as I believe a previous commenter has said) for being extreme. They fall into the same category as KKK sites, or Nazi sites. Is any of this sinking in? Best I can tell (as much as our religious views differ, the three of us, opposite sides of the triangle), Baal like me is interested in Truth.
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Male 12,138
Look, you and I were at each other`s f*cking throats over a stupid CAR a while back. It got way off-topic, to do with leaf-spring suspension systems, but if you re-read that thread, I wasn`t attacking you, I was attacking your assertions and posts, with well-founded sources. I still think I was f*cking right, by the way. But the thread can stand for itself.

In that instance, you offered up the hand of Christian friendship, which I warmly shook (bearing in mind here that you and Baal are much more akin to each other here than I am to you, or to Baal, as a staunch anti-theist, I think all religion is complete f*cking bullsh*t in all it`s dresses. I think you`re both daft in that aspect). In Baal`s case, you`re espousing personal attack, incitement to get you banned from this site, "baiting" you etc.
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Male 12,138
I know this thread is old, but I know some are still reading it. Can I play the part of the UN Envoy here? Meh, f*ck asking permission, I`m going to do it anyway.

Crakr, Baal is not attacking you, he`s not trolling you to get banned as you`ve hinted towards, he`s just objecting to your points/claims/sources. If you can cite a single post (in context) where he personally attacked you, then I`d be the first to get him kicked out of the tree-house. Done it before, on other Mods, who are now Ex-Mods. And I like to think that IAB is a pretty good place right now.
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Male 10,855
[quote]Save some face and bail-out before what ever credibility you have left is gone.[/quote]

I say rather than giving advice, you should take your own CrakrJak.

I`m off to bed.
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Male 10,855
@CrakrJak

One (dangerous) man != (or =/= if you prefer) everything.
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Male 12,138
[quote]Baal: Do yourself a favor, Don`t ever address me personally again. [/quote]
I guess the invite for an online debate is off then? Damn it, and I just went and stocked up on popcorn.
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Male 17,511
Cajun247: Baal agreed with the assertion that Bin Laden was made in America, Among other criticisms, in previous posts.
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Male 17,511
Baal: Do yourself a favor, Don`t ever address me personally again. Your rhetoric gets more and more shrill and you keep making BS comments like `1 out of 1000`(Made up number), That I`ve never answered your questions (Flat out lie), Ridiculously narrow-minded view of `qualifications`, And the now almost continuous insults directed at me.

Save some face and bail-out before what ever credibility you have left is gone.
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Male 10,855
[quote]In your eyes Islam is perfect and can not be criticized...America is to blame for everything[/quote]
<sigh>
I`m not going to say it again

Seriously where do you get these impressions?
[quote]7 different translations of the Quran...(from Wizard77) I don`t think I have ever seen Bal post "anti-Christian" as it were...[/quote]
Hmm not one mention of America in this thread.
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Male 17,511
Baalthazaq: You`ve already demonstrated your narrow view of just exactly who is qualified and who isn`t in your mind.

Everyone else is an islamaphobe in your opinion, No matter how good their credentials are. In your eyes islam is perfect and can not be criticized, That only a few hundred people people are `muslim extremists`, That America is at fault for everything, And that I`m a cowardly islamaphobic hypocritical pedophile.

Sorry, But that`s all bullcrap. That you believe all of that shows your own hatred, America-phobia, and Ethnocentrism.
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Male 4,546
Crakr:

They are not the respected scholars of the world. It`s not my fault your sources are at best incompetent, and in most cases vile bigots of the lowest order.

They are established as being at odds with American academia in general.

You have found a guy in a batch of 1000 who agrees with you, and decided that he is right, when the 999 don`t make a dent in your opinion.

Now, formal debate. You`ve still not answered. Not that you have a habit of answering hard questions.

It is cowardly and hypocritical. It is. I`m not going to sugar coat it just because you get offended every time someone addresses you directly.

No, you`re stirring up hatred, dragging in irrelevant information at any opportunity to paint Islam and Muslims in a bad light, no matter how weak the link or the source.

Morally, it is repugnant. I cannot therefore stay silent for your fragile sensibilities.
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Male 4,546
Ruez: Sorry, my whole post was to Dax, the dog thing was a quote from Dax.
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Male 113
*what your point is
silly me
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Male 113
as what has been said by Baal, from where do you get the source that Muhammad had those dogs killed? and it what way does that counter my post? i`m confused what point is. please, do make it clear to me.
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Male 113
same-o, same-o, dax
it`s just that in a case of rape, as far as what has been taught to me, the accused is guilty unless proven otherwise. during the time of the Prophet (saw) punishment was inflicted on the rapist on the solitary evidence of the woman who was raped by him. wa`il ibn Hujr reports of an incident when a woman was raped. later, when some people came by, she identified and accused the man of raping her. they seized him and brought him to Allah`s messenger, who said to the woman, "Go away, for Allah has forgiven you," but of the man who had raped her, he said, "Stone him to death." (Tirmizi and Abu Dawud)

tell me if you need more sources, i`ll be glad to give some more to you
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Female 56
I want to burn him.
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Male 871
dax that wasnt your original point, you were trying to imply that this was solely a muslim fight against christians, and when I pointed out that people from other ethnic backgrounds, including other muslims, were prevented from getting into some camps you swiftly changed tack.
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Male 17,511
Baalthazaq: At least I don`t resort to personal attacks, unfounded accusations, insults, and baiting, Like you do.

Insults are the last refuge of the out argued, You lost all credibility with me and likely many others with you resorting to them.

Especially over an argument about Arabic words whose meanings you dispute and subject to differing interpretation even amongst other Arabic speakers (As I demonstrated).

You ask me to believe you over them, Yet insult me in the process. Then you wonder why I believe them over you.
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Male 4,546
"ruez - that dog story strikes me as total fiction, as Mohammed has most dogs anywhere near him killed. Except for service dogs."

Then perhaps, maybe, possibly, there`s a chance, that possibly, maybe, could be, just a shot in the dark here, that *your* source is total fiction?

Dax:
I thought you thought it was easy to get away with rape in the ME? No amount of argumentation would have changed your mind, you`d dismiss all evidence to the contrary as insufficient.

However, Ruez makes a statement, without sources, without backing, without evidence, BUT it happens that you can make it anti-Muslim.

Well then check it out, DAX believes without question. What a surprise.

Read everything I`ve said to Crak about standards Dax. You have none.

The fact of the matter is, the ME has a similar conviction rate to the UK, but much harsher penalties, for rapists.
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Female 322
ruez - and in America, the accused is INNOCENT until proven otherwise, not the other way around.
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Female 322
I have checked and rechecked my sources - when you have news reports from all over the world (most recently in Iran) putting to death women who claimed they were raped, but put on trial and condemned for `adultery` SOMETHING is wrong with the system.
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Female 322
ruez - that dog story strikes me as total fiction, as Mohammed has most dogs anywhere near him killed. Except for service dogs.
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Male 10,855
I should just say it.
My point was Crakr is that Daniel Piper could very well disagree with Raymond`s view on Taqiyya.
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Male 4,546
I tell you what.

You pick a topic on which we disagree, and we`ll set up a location (online) for a formal debate.

Now I have no doubt that you`ll take this opportunity to word the question horrifically in your favor, but I`ll give it a go non the less.

Or how about this, pick 10 topics and I`ll pick a winner.
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Male 4,546
Here we are Crakr, talking about your expert, when you still haven`t addressed mine. Mine came first.

You have failed every test I`ve put to you.
You`ve dodged every question.
You`ve sidestepped every issue.
You`ve repeated every lie I`ve pointed out.

Yet none of that bothers me, or at least it wouldn`t if you didn`t demonstrate the ability to recognize these flaws whenever someone brings up Christianity. Also your ability to dodge difficult questions shows that this isn`t accidental.

This makes the former, quite sinister on your part. There is a vast difference in making (continuous, repeated) mistakes, and making cold calculated attacks.

Now admittedly I think you flounder like a little fish on a hook when I actually have the time to join the conversation, but the intent just seems downright evil.

(See Venn diagram discussion that you missed below).
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Male 17,511
That`s enough for now, I need supper.

L8r.
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Male 17,511
Cajun247: But you tried to make it about Raymond Ibrahim who wrote the article.
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Male 10,855
Maybe but we`re talking about Daniel Piper
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Male 17,511
Btw, Cajun247, If you want to learn about Raymond Ibrahim Bio Excerpt: Born in the United States in 1973 to Coptic Egyptian parents, Mr. Ibrahim was raised in a bilingual environment and is fluent in Arabic, including colloquial dialects.

So Baal can`t very well criticize his credentials or even his knowledge of Arabic.
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Male 4,546
"That would lead to saying that every non-Arabic translation of the Quran is also incorrect"

I do say that... I think I even said it in this thread. Along with "I also advise reading the bible in Latin/Greek/Hebrew etc."

Now does that condemn anyone? No, after all I said I ask my wife about the meanings of things when they become important.

For example does the bible use the word "Wife" or "Woman" to refer to Sarah and Hagar? Does Jesus say "Yes" or "So you say" when he is asked if he is the Son of God?

I then ask an expert. I also provided 7 different translations of the Quran. I usually go through all 7 as well as my personal translation when the exact meaning of a word is critical to the debate.
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Male 10,855
I wasn`t even referring to Raymond.
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Male 17,511
Cajun247: Baal didn`t criticize Raymond Ibrahim, He criticized Daniel Pipes, Thus I answered that criticism.
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Male 10,855
[quote]So your standard is that no one other than someone who grew up speaking arabic could ever have a clear enough understanding of the language to interpret it correctly ? [/quote]

Another outlandish assertion!
No, Baal said he has more experience.
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Male 17,511
Baalthazaq: So your standard is that no one other than someone who grew up speaking arabic could ever have a clear enough understanding of the language to interpret it correctly ?

That`s complete poppycock akin to saying a Frenchmen could never understand the German language (By the way I have Swiss friends that understand French, German, And English equally well, One knows Spanish fluently also)

It`s also like saying that no one could fully understand Buddhism without being born in Tibet and fluently speak Tibetan.

That would lead to saying that every non-Arabic translation of the Quran is also incorrect, Which would condemn most muslims to heresy because they either can`t read, or can`t read Arabic natively.
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Male 4,546
Also, incidentally, my experience outweighs Daniel Pipes:
I`ve studied the Quran for 11 years, did Islamic studies for 7, lived in the Middle East for ... 15ish years. My specialist subject in university was an Artificial Intelligence project that mapped and studied terrorist cells, and the different effects of counter terrorist techniques.

I also predicted everything about the Iraq war that he did not. I even predicted troop placements, reactions, effects, dispersion of military groups into terrorist cells, numbers of those groups, etc.

I also wrote a piece on Infidels.org about the Iraq war when it first started discussing what problems they would have. Pipes disagreed on most of them. The paper.
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Male 10,855
I should also point out that the article you cited was by Raymond Ibrahim NOT Daniel Pipes.
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Male 10,855
@CrakrJak

Then I suggest you should spend two years in Cairo, or better yet Istanbul and study history as well.
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Male 4,546
Anyway, I`m sure we`ll do this dance again.

A piece of advice, don`t argue with the native Arabic speaker on what Arabic words mean.

As far as I can tell, you`re up to 4 words, and even use 1 of them correctly.
(Jihad, Madrassa, Fitna, Taqiyya)

you speak with such confidence though... so maybe you`re actually an expert in the subject. I tell you what, next debate, we can do the whole thing in Arabic if you prefer.

Somehow I doubt it.
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Male 17,511
Also what Baal forgot to mention, Daniel Pipes has a Ph.D. in history from Harvard and is a Distinguished Visiting Professor at Pepperdine University. He spent nearly two years in Cairo. He learned Arabic and studied the Quran,

Nicholas D. Kristof of the New York Times writes that despite the fact that he disagrees with Pipes on the Middle East, he finds him “smart and well-informed.”

Michael Moran of MSNBC described Pipes as one of the best-known "Mideast policy luminaries"

Pipes has written, "It’s a mistake to blame Islam, a religion 14 centuries old, for the evil that should be ascribed to militant Islam, a totalitarian ideology less than a century old. Militant Islam is the problem, but moderate Islam is the solution." All from Wiki
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Male 4,546
"Using your standard of qualifications then, Every Atheist site on the internet is also anti-Islam, anti-Christian, etc.. and is not worthy of recognition or have any valid information in your eyes."

As I said, I had a list of 12 sites, on the whole internet. You`ve managed to exclusively use sources from that list.

Secondly, as I`ve said before, I don`t apply any standards. My tactic in any debate, or even theological discussion, is to use my opponent`s standards, whatever they may be.

Sometimes their standards are low (Here is a picture of a mouse, I win!) and they are easy (Here is a picture of TWO mice!)

sometimes their standards are high (Please submit evidence with approval from all world leaders) and they`re easy (Please do the same).

Then there are people who discount Harvard professors from their opponent, but cite youtube as their source.
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Male 4,546
As always, I`m holding you to your standards.

You ignore my links, I ignore yours.
You misinterpret religious phrases, I misrepresent yours.

You are always the first to falter, and always the first to cry when it is done in turn.

Attacking you? No Crak, you are making the mistakes, I`m pointing at them. I think saying as this has now dropped to page 2 I`ll leave it till the next topic comes up.

For now, I`m fairly confident every trick you`ve tried has been adequately exposed.
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Male 17,511
Baalthazaq: Using your standard of qualifications then, Every Atheist site on the internet is also anti-Islam, anti-Christian, etc.. and is not worthy of recognition or have any valid information in your eyes.
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Male 10,855
[quote]It`s not just you ... Iran and extremists[/quote]

Wait a minute scratch that.
It`s you and that article who are misusing the word.
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Male 10,855
What Iran is doing is lying AND fitna.
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Male 10,855
What Iran is doing is NOT taqiyya but flat out lying (not taqiyya). It`s not just you who is misusing the term it`s Iran and other extremists.

Just like Baal said:
[quote]Just cos you coat the poison in a little honey, doesn`t make it any less poison.[/quote]
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Male 4,546
Crakr:

And lets do a quick fact check on the link:
"The Middle East Forum (MEF) is an American conservative think tank founded in 1990 by historian and columnist Daniel Pipes, who also serves as its director. MEF became a 501(c)3 non-profit organization in 1994. It publishes a journal entitled Middle East Quarterly."

Back to my list of Anti Islamic sites. Seriously, there`s only 12 I have on my list and you`ve hit 6 of them that I`ve seen. This week.

I`ve presented the facts, of Taqiyya, from a neutral source.

"You call me an `Islamophobe` and criticize my choice of links, But instead of refuting the facts contained in them, You go after me."

Nice try, until you ignore a US, Harvard professor, without refuting those facts. Then push forward a blog ran by one of the 12 top hate sites on the net. (Actually, you`ve picked 50% of the top 12).
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Male 10,855
[quote]Bin Laden`s addresses to the West with his talk of justice and peace are clear instances of taqiyya[/quote]


Really?!? I heard him speak and never once got the impression that he was interested in peace.
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Male 10,855
This is exactly what Baal was pointing out with his post.
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Male 10,855
[quote]Muslims who were forced to choose between recanting Islam or suffering persecution were permitted to lie and feign apostasy. Other jurists have decreed that Muslims are obligated to lie in order to preserve themselves[/quote]

You were saying? Did a word search, mention of extremist: zero. Since Muslims in America are protected by laws they don`t have to lie.

You were saying?
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Male 17,511
Cajun247: I didn`t misuse the term, muslim extremists have misused the term to justify their lying to `unbelievers`. There are several examples of that word being misused on Middle-Eastern TV shows by muslim scholars. Take a Look for yourself.
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Male 10,855
It`s context CrakrJak he was pointing out how you were (mis)using the term "Taqiyya".
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Male 17,511
Cajun247: Baal called the Christian communion `cannibalism` in a vain and inaccurate attempt to imitate me, So he says.

I believe it was a backhanded insult used to try and bait me into insulting him. (He`s used this tactic before)
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Male 10,855
[quote]anti-christian baloney[/quote]

Uhh where exactly was this?
[quote]name calling[/quote]

No, that was sarcasm.
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Male 17,511
Baal: [quote]Also, Crakr, how about I link you to a couple of sites to cure you of your Pedophilia?[/quote]

Again with the name calling, Baal I Don`t resort to personal insults, But this is the second time that you have resorted to using them against me.

I wonder if calling you akin to a `terrorist` (As I`ve been called here by others) would get me banned ? I wonder If I called your prophet what you just called me, Would get me banned ? I`m sure either one of those would get me banned.

But I have to be tolerant and take the kind of personal attacks and abuse here that I would never dish out on others. You say that you are just imitating me in reverse, That`s hogwash. If I ever resorted to the tactics you and others have used against me (See above) I`d be banned in a heartbeat.
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Male 17,511
Baal: You call me an `Islamophobe` and criticize my choice of links, But instead of refuting the facts contained in them, You go after me.

I didn`t compile the information, You can`t refute the information they have, So instead you use anti-Christian baloney saying you are imitating me and call all my links anti-islam.

Did you even read the reform islam site, I linked to, Written by muslims, That was critical of Christians and Jews somehow corrupting the koran, But still wanted reform ?
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Male 113
CrakrJak, a pity you dont want to try and get the right information from the right source
when you ask anti-Islamists about Islam, of course they will tell you all the what-nots that you believe now
The koran was collected completely by uthman ibn affan and it is not, as what you think, incomplete
sure, lots of people who memorized te scriptures died in battle, but do you really think that writing on pieces of paper was not invented then? sheesh, the minds of y`all
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Male 4,546
Also, Crakr, how about I link you to a couple of sites to cure you of your Pedophilia?

Oh... wait, I`m sorry, was that offensive?

"I`ve even linked to sites written by muslims trying to reform islam of it`s violence, sexism, and sharia law."

Just cos you coat the poison in a little honey, doesn`t make it any less poison. It would be easy to send you link after link of reforms in various ministries fixing their pedophile cases.

(Something else I have argued is unfairly levied at your religion).

ll the while crying about how I feel so bad for you and am trying to help you get over your "brutal consistent rape of children", but the only thing it achieves is repeating the same buzzwords over and over again that you`re trying to reinforce.

(Note, as I`ve always said, Christian pastors abuse children *less* often than the general population).
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Male 113
if a woman was raped, the rapist is guilty unless proven otherwise, and she dont need no witnesses
you really have to recheck and recheck your sources
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Male 113
here, dax, and all who are trying to find information about islam.
http://bit.ly/cGa2Ad
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Male 113
@dax http://www.answerbag.com/q_view/1040044
that site is just WRONG
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Male 113
Bukhari Volume 4, Book 54, Number 538: Narrated Abu Huraira:
Allah`s Apostle said, "A prostitute was forgiven by Allah, because, passing by a panting dog near a well and seeing that the dog was about to die of thirst, she took off her shoe, and tying it with her head-cover she drew out some water for it. So, Allah forgave her because of that."

And they ask where is the forgiveness and mercy in Islam?
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Male 4,546
drat, as a perfect example.

There was a Venn diagram a few days ago. (referenced below by Irbord).

The size of Muslim Americans was too large (almost twice as large as it should be), and you picked up on that. (showing you can, at times, display basic reasoning)

The size of the Muslim terrorists was roughly 1000 times as large as it should be. You didn`t notice, and only had time to look for ways to enlarge it. (Showing that the times you use that reasoning are entirely subjective).

I paint you as an Islamophobe for poo like that. You didn`t care about the reality. You missed the errors only when they didn`t fit your views. ONLY.

You caught an 80% error that didn`t favour your opinion. You missed a 100000% error that favoured you, and *then tried to make it worse*.

Can you think of a better example of what Bias means?
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Male 4,546
Also:
"That`s run by the washington post who...."

Yes I`m sure the head of International relations at Harvard is bad.
A hate site`s blog is not.

Seriously, your links have over the last few weeks been from:
CARM, AnsweringIslam, Thereligionofpeace, Memri, Jihadwatch. That`s around half of Wikipedias list of "Sites critical of Islam".

Have you mentioned any in their list of Neutral or Pro Islam sites? Interesting, not a one. Yet *my* link, always *my* link, to respected US, Christian, experts are always decried as biased because they7 don`t meet your high standards.

Lets be very clear here. Your standards only ever apply when I`m speaking, and never when you are. For days now I`ve been asking you to try to abide not by *my* standards, but your own, and you`ve not once stood up to scrutiny.

Not even close.
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Male 4,546
Jeez Crak, do you have *anything* that doesn`t come from a site dedicated to Islambashing?

"Btw, Just so people know, Since most don`t. the koran is not even a complete book, A lot of it was lost when people that had memorized parts of it died in battle."

1) Why is that relevant?
2) How is it true? A true statement would be that after Salim (a prominent Islamic scholar) died, there was a worry that Quran might some day be lost. As such there was a drive to collect and preserve the Quran.

3) I compared your use of the word "Taqqiya" to my misuse of the word "Communion". It was a fair comparison. It demonizes a word that is neutral, it is a word that doesn`t apply to all the faith.

Perfect parallel to what you did. The fact that every imitation of your style *always* results in your offence should demonstrate how offensive you in turn are Crak.
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Male 33
1.57 billion muslims in the world.
307,000,000 Americans.
18,000,000 Muslim Americans.
Less than 10,000 members of Al Qaeda.

Terry Jones you are an idiot. Peaceful muslims remain peaceful? YOURE BURNING THEIR BIBLE. If i burned your bible you would be pissed. Now, a bunch of muslims are going to join terrorist groups because of YOU. Jesus Christ taught us to love our neighbors. Period. No exceptions. And christians haven`t done terrorist acts? do you recall THE CRUSADES?! youre an idiot. How dare you call yourself a christian?! you give us christians a bad name. Im 13 and ik better than you. retard.
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Female 322
By the way, for those not aware of it, book and recorded music burnings have been going on for as long as I remember. I attended a couple when I was in high school in the 70`s. They would feel that `Satan` was glorified in those items. So if that pastor feels that the Koran is `of the devil`, which he has stated, it would be a cultural thing to him to burn them. NOT saying it`s a good idea, only that it is a part of the culture of certain Christian sects.
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Female 322
McDuff - If it is not Muslims kicking people out of the camps, including minority sects of their own religion, who is it?
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Male 10,855
@Wizard
I don`t identify with one particular religion. Nonetheless I`ve felt obligated to defend Christianity a few times and Islam a lot more.
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Male 1,610
[quote">Now, i don`t agree with what he`s doing because of the backlash it MAY spark[/quote">

Thousand of Afghans have already starting protesting and burning the American flag, shouting "death to America" over the last week.
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Male 3,643
What`s the difference between this guy and the people who protest the G-20 summit meetings? This guy is hurting no one.
Now, i don`t agree with what he`s doing because of the backlash it MAY spark, but he has the freedom of expression covered under he Bill of Rights.
I`m more so angry at the people who are angry at him, but not at the G-20 protestors, AKA hypocrites...
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Male 582
bal said- "Seriously, someone back me up on this, I`m actually quite irritated for once about Crakr`s statement that I`m somehow anti-Christian."

I don`t think I have ever seen Bal post "anti-Christian" as it were. He is (as a Muslim) Pro-Islam. This would stand to reason. And I feel he is pretty prejudice in favor of his religion over others, but um...that is the nature of such stuff isn`t it? Even atheist are sure they are the ones with the answer. I have read some stuff from him that (I felt) was very critical of the US but not anti-Christian. Then again, I have only been here about a year.

And yes, IAB takes a cheap-shot a Christianity pretty much every day.
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Male 10,855
Breakdown of the Baalthazaaq`s post by source
Desert Storm
UN sanctions
Afghanistan
Iraqi freedom
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Female 7



Does this look like terrorism to you? Not at Muslims are terrorists.
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Male 582
GreyYes "Jewchrislam!"

LOL Epic!
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Male 955
burning would accomplish.

Just the concept of it has brought even more division to the country. Shown that some people are not only ignorant of a race but also their religion.

Which with a country as divided as we are today is a far cry from where we stood 9 years ago. And that, is what I believe was the terrorists ultimate goal. Think of all the changes we as a country have gone through.
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Male 955
Like a lot of people here, this Terry Jones guy is doing it out of disrespect for the religion, it wouldn`t do anything but cause more issues for us.

You can blame it on them doing it first or whatever makes you happy. But you need to realize that they are in a poorer and more repressed area than we are.

Aren`t we above disrespecting another religion especially when we know that doing so would anger those religious extremists we`ve been talking about recently?

This war on terror will never end, so why do some people feel the need to ensure that it continues? I guarantee that if they were over there in one of the branches of the military they wouldn`t want someone that`s hiding in our borders stirring up some idiotic bullpoo that puts more troops in unnecessary danger.

I`m not going to argue any point you have Crakr, you wouldn`t get it anyways. But I`m definitely against putting our troops in more danger which is the only real thing this burnin
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Male 955
"Unlike you I give sources to my arguments, You just insult, condescend, and make BS unfounded allegations. "

I`ve given sources before, which have been more legitimate to your own as have many people here.

I call you ignorant and close minded. Which is a fact, if it`s insulting, then you are aware of that fact and then I`m just pointing out the obvious.

Condescending? Maybe, but I don`t believe in arguing with those that will never see the point even after being given good arguments and sources. There isn`t a debate if you can`t open your eyes and see it from someone else`s perspective.

Allegations? Which one`s? If you`re talking about me saying that you think all Muslims are terrorists, then its not an Allegation, you`ve said it previously.

I think you summed up all future points and conversation when you said Muslims are terrorists recently.
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Male 17,511
Btw, Just so people know, Since most don`t. the koran is not even a complete book, A lot of it was lost when people that had memorized parts of it died in battle. Source
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Male 871
@dax it comes across as you trying to distort the truth to support your christian point of view, will you now admit its not muslim against others as is noted, muslims are also being left out of camps?
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Male 17,511
Baal: (cont.)

Your foriegnpolicy.com link is ran by the Washington Post (With people reporting there who where part of the `Journolist scandal). It includes the Iraqi deaths due to Saddam not feeding his people as America`s fault and conveniently overlooks the 16,000 attacks I linked to earlier.

I never used the term `anti-christian` to describe you, Even after you said [quote]I`m sure you`ll start using it properly any day now. Maybe you`ll start doing it after your next communion (you know, cannibalism).[/quote]

News flash: You don`t `Universally try to build bridges` With rhetoric like that.
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Male 17,511
Baal: [quote]"The Bible says `Thou shall not`, as we can see clearly a horrible oppressive religion, crushing people`s rights.... lets continue reading `Kill`, clearly a violent religion ordering it`s people to kill, and here, no context, so it must be everyone".[/quote]

Very poor and inaccurate imitation. I believed it so poor, That it had an ulterior motive. (Something else you have accused me of wrongly).

Even if I weren`t a Christian I wouldn`t say what you suggested. I know the difference between in-context and out-of-context.

I`ve even linked to sites written by muslims trying to reform islam of it`s violence, sexism, and sharia law. I don`t agree with their claims that Jews and Christians somehow got inside and distorted the Koran and the Hadiths, But it`s a step in the right direction.
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Female 322
pooe was NOT me. I wrote the name of the other Muslim sect (there are, I`m sure, more that just the two) that begins with an S and iab thought I was trying to cuss at someone, I suppose.
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Female 322
McDuff - I probably left them out because I am more centered at my own religion, and because we, a somewhat more Christian country than most, was sending the most help. I had heard of a few other groups being tossed out of the camps, but not gypsies. Gypsies I would have remembered and mentioned, because they, like Jews, have been kicked out of almost every country. They have been terrorized all over the world; I remember my mother,who I believed had not a racist bone in her body, make a few comments about gypsies which were wholly uncalled for. And perhaps someone could explain to me, I am not starting something else here, I really want to know, why even the most liberal of news channels post that the Arab/Gulf, oil-rich Muslim countries send very little to even the natural disasters that threaten the lives of their fellow Muslims. I don`t get that. Is it because they are of a different sect? I Sunni vs pooe thing?
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Male 871
http://micurl.com/BvkAmzC interesting and relevant piece about pakistan
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Female 322
Rolling Stone mag. Point is, I have no doubt you are correct in your assessment of the hospitality of Arabs/Muslim populations of the area. I understand that that is a time-honored part of their culture. So give me a couple of links to sites you think I should peruse, I`d be happy to.
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Male 871
@dax so why did you only mention christians being left out of camps and not gypsies, muslims and members of the Ahmadi sect?
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Female 322
davymid - name me some sites you think I might learn something `unbiased` and I promise I will check them out with an open mind. And what you said about Muslim hospitality I have heard about most of my life = mainly in regards to Arab hospitality. I have, I admit, admired that about that culture. I remember reading a story (mag., newspaper, don`t remember where) about some of our soldiers during the 1st gulf war being invited into a Muslim (which country in the area I do not remember, but it probably was Saudi Arabia or Kuwait) home for dinner. After dinner, which they described as very nice, the soldiers gave them bags of m&ms as a treat for desert. THEN our (American) soldiers told them not to eat the red or blue or whatever color ones because they could cause impotency. I thought at the time what a bunch of A-- H`S for repaying a family who gave what little they had in the spirit of hospitality by ridiculing them, even in a small way. Actually, I`m thinking I read that in
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Male 500
lolwut
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Male 12,138
[quote]NO, I was implying it was Muslim against everybody else.[/quote]
Sorry to hurry you, we`re running out of time. What`s your POINT, caller?
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Female 322
NO, I was implying it was Muslim against everybody else.
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Female 418
ive got an idea, how about we combine all 3 main religions since they are pretty much the same damn thing, and we create Jewchrislam! :D
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Male 119
Okay, so I`m gonna interrupt this arguement going on and ask why they mentioned Jews and homosexuals if nobody in the video mentioned it?
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Male 4,014
Next thing you know, Tea Baggers are going to say this guy was a Democrat plant....
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Male 4,014
LOL - DON`T YOU SEE??? TEA BAGGERS CREATED A GOLEM!

Had they not been talking about how scary the "Ground Zero Mosque" was (which was neither at Ground Zero, or a Mosque BTW, and which would NOT be the first Mosque that close to Ground Zero) and how scary Muslims are, no one would have given this nutjob airplay.

But when this wacko came out of the woodwork, it was INESCAPABLE to relate his sentiments with the "Ground Zero Mosque" opponents.

YOU CANNOT SAY MUSLIMS SHOULD NOT BE FREE TO BUILD A MOSQUE WHERE THEY PLEASE, BUT THEN SAY ITS OFFENSIVE TO RELIGIOUS FREEDOM TO BURN THE KORAN. Which is it? Are Muslims deserving religious tolerance, or not? The timing was too perfect.

These people are dangerous and should NOT control our government.

And now, apparently, 9/11 has become a Republican only holiday (no Muslims allowed!).
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Male 12,138
I can vouch for Baal here (and to circumvent the obvious, no, not just because he`s a fellow Mod). Baal hasn`t attacked Christianity AT ALL. All he`s been doing on this thread is defend the picture painted of Muslims as a people (remembering there`s 1.5 Billion Muslims), and of Islam as a faith, in the face of attacks.

On the contrary, he`s been a staunch defender of theism (Christianity, Islam etc) in many other threads. I`m an outspoken atheist, but I`m more extreme than that. I`m openly and unapologetically anti-theistic: I really do think that the world would be better without religion in it. I can point to dozens of threads where I`ve been stridently espousing anti-theism, and Baal has been just as stridently defending Theism, usually Christianity. In fact, we`ve been at each other`s f*cking THROATS over this issue again and again.

Baal doesn`t attack Christianity, never seen him do that. He DEFENDS religion in all it`s forms.
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Male 4,546
Reganom:
I don`t like doing personal translations unless I`m extremely sure of the context. This is part of the reason it isn`t "Quran" unless it is Arabic.

Any other language is considered too far removed to be reliable, but I don`t expect you to learn Arabic for a discussion on IAB.

I actually advocate reading the Bible only in Latin/Greek/Hebrew/etc just because you get the best translation. (I can`t but my wife can, so I usually ask her for translations).

Online I actually use the Skeptics annotated Quran because I figure I`ll get 0 arguments about me fudging the wording.

USC have 3 translations, and Quran has 2 more.
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Male 4,014
Why are Tea-Baggers so angry? Because their worldview of a purely white Christian nation has been shattered by reality, and rather than accept the pluralistic reality of America, they instead decided to deny that anyone not like them was "American."

Thus, they hate Mexicans, Blacks, and Muslims. Thus, the believe Obama is somehow not a legitimate president (how can he be? He`s not "American" like they are!)

EVER NOTICE HOW ONCE A PERSON STARTS TO BE PROVEN WRONG, THEY GET EVEN MORE ANGRY? Hence the Tea Bagger flip-out and a yearning to return to the good ol` (imaginary) days of the "real" American, when Muslim Black Presidents didn`t exist.

Obama is cool as a cucumber, and the American Right is going fricken INSANE with anger.
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Male 4,546
Seriously, someone back me up on this, I`m actually quite irritated for once about Crakr`s statement that I`m somehow anti-Christian.

I thought everyone knew I`ve taken Christianity`s side 99% of the time. I`m the one here trying to get everyone to play nice, and I`m being criticized, by Crakr, after he comes into every thread, relevant or not, posts poo from hate sites against us, accusing us of all things of religious intolerance.

Me: Universally tried to build bridges. "Westboro don`t represent Christians". "IAB is too hard on Christians", etc etc etc.
Crak: Religionofpeace.com, over and over again followed by you accusing *me* of...


Actually you know what? Great. I can`t think of a better example of how little weight your accusations hold.
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Male 4,014
Its ALI v. FOREMAN.

Republican "policies" are nothing but the same old s*it that drove the country into this recession that BEGAN under Bush - tax cuts for the rich and for corporations. Instead of coming up with new ideas, they were ROPE-A-DOPPED into spouting pure, hate-filled bigotry all summer long, only to be shocked - SHOCKED! - that someone would burn Korans!

And with this amazing yet predictable Koran Burning incident, the whole of non-Tea Bag America sees how crazy and dangerous these right wingers are.

Now we have American Generals having to comment on the (what should be obvious) notion that burning Korans won`t help us win the war in the Islamic country of Afghanistan.

NOW OBAMA GETS TO POINT OUT THAT AMERICA IS NOT AT WAR WITH ALL OF ISLAM; THAT WE HAVE A BILL OF RIGHTS THAT PROTECTS EVERYONE; AND THAT THE AMERICAN RIGHT ONLY CARES ABOUT WHITE CHRISTIANS.

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Male 4,546
"I suggest that instead of continuing to criticize Christianity that you as a muslim should be cleaning your own house first."

Criticize Christianity? I was merely demonstrating your attitude, and pointing it at you. (Again, you really have to discern between when I`m arguing with you and imitating you.)

1) I do more arguing in the Middle East, than I do here.
2) My stance on this site, has always been pro-theism. That includes Christianity. I`ve defended Christianity more often than I`ve defended Islam.
3) Despite #2, you continuously try to drag Islam through the mud and force me on the defensive using cheap tactics it would be easy to replicate against you. So far I *haven`t* attacked Christianity. I`ve criticized you.

4)Link.
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Male 4,014
By absorbing the blows without immediately hitting back, his opponent mistook his refusal to engage for weakness, felt emboldened, and took it one step further.

Just as it infuriates a bully when you ignore him, so too the American right flipped out when Obama never called them on their BS.

So what happened? They spent ALL SUMMER talking about how brown people (be they Black Panthers, Mexicans, and now Muslims) are clearly trying to take over America.

You have right-wing "leaders" like Sarah Palin and Newt Gingrich openly saying Muslims are less deserving of First Amendment protections than Christians, because, well, Islam attacked us on 9/11.

OH BUT SARAH PALIN WAS JUST SHOCKED WHEN SOMEONE SOUGHT TO BURN KORANS! HOW UNAMERICAN, she says. HOW UNAMERICAN TO SINGLE OUT A RELIGIOUS GROUP FOR DISCRIMINATION BASED ON THE ACTIONS OF A FEW TERRORISTS, she says.

But wasn`t she just saying not to build a Mosque?
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Male 4,014
Obama`s long-term ROPE-A-DOPE strategy is paying off. Here is what he did. When Republicans and Tea Baggers starting criticizing him over absurd things, he refused to engage. So the right wing dove further into its craziness and delusions.

First, he was not "American" enough because he attended a church with a "radical" black pastor (Rev. Wright). Next, he wasn`t born in America. Next, he`s a secret Muslim (wait, didn`t he go to church?) Next, he`s a liberal - NO WAIT - A socialist - NO WAIT - he`s a communist - NO WAIT - he is clearly Joseph Stalin and Hitler because he pushed healthcare for poor people. No wait, he purposely wants to bankrupt America to impose a socialist dictatorship.

Oh, and since he`s a secret Muslim, Muslims shouldn`t build Mosques too close to where Christians, um, say so.

Oh wait, LETS FRICKEN BURN HOLY BOOKS AND REMOVE MUSLIMS FROM FIRST AMENDMENT PROTECTIONS.
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Male 3,745
anyone else find it interesting how iran is "releasing" a prisoner this saturday?

the fact of the matter is that if he burns those books the prisoner/prisoners WILL die and as they said they are going to make things that much harder for our troops to do...

he isnt legally alowed to do this but i strongly suggest that someone go to stop him seeing as i dont trust out government or lawmen enough to do it themselves...

at least if hes stoped we cant say the death of those hostages is OUR fault...

its sad how arrogant people can be these days...

Fun Fact: the Koran is the same thing as the Bible Mr. Pastor Dude... the only thing different is that they dont have Jesus`s teaching in the new testament but Mohammeds...not to mention that some muslims DO believe in jesus...and that 9/11 was our fault...and that even if it wasnt we would be at war with the wrong country...yeah...

...dick...
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Female 35
Just for the record, not all Floridians are idiot bigots like this. I live about an hour and a half from town this moron lives in, and I don not, nor does anyone I know, think like this. I find this non-nice individual to be absolutely mortifying, and he need to take his ignorant ass to some island where he can breed his 30 church members into a cult, and leave the rest of us alone. I just hate that I live so close to this, because Gainsville is not THAT much of an redneck area, and even more horrifying than this depecition of the area is the blind hatred towards a religion by this ignorant man.
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Male 3,058
@ davymid: You can go around the mulberry bush with Dax for the next week, and she still won`t get it.

Seriously, how did my fellow Americans become so IGNORANT over the last 30 years?

It makes me sick that so many people here who have never set foot outside of the U.S. and know next to nothing about the rest of the world are weighing in here and pontificating.

Showing their ass and their ignorance in just a few sentences.

No wonder the rest of the world beats us academically and laughs at out fat, Jerry Springer-watchin` asses.
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Female 71
Disgusting.
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Male 602
It is interesting to me that people were not this up in arms when the Swiss banned minarets from being built. I mean...that`s saying you can`t even have a proper building. Bet people would have a shi tfit if you banned the building of steeples.

Something else that is funny is the amount of people saying "Well I`m a Christian/Athiest/Martian and they should know it`s just one person`s view and not representative of the whole." Then these same people can`t understand that Islamic Terrorists are not representative of the whole of Islam.

People are combating the wrong problems. These leaders know how to stay in power, and do so by keeping the populace uneducated and united behind a larger enemy, the West. It is not Islam that really is the problem here, it is the traditional tribal rules and laws and the way of life that these people have known for generations. There are secular and peaceful Islamic countries outside of the Middle East/Asia.
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Male 12,138
Quite the opposite in fact, all I encountered was some of the warmest, most welcoming, genuinely friendliest people I`ve ever met. And they went OUT OF THEIR WAY to welcome me (as a pretty obviously white non-muslim European), to ask about my culture and my country, to make sure everything was OK, that I was enjoying their country. Heck, on a number of occassions I was invited by complete strangers into their family home for dinner and treated as the guest of honour.

Not saying that dark things don`t happen in Muslim countries, but to paint this picture of the Muslim world as being a hotbed of stone-age violence and murder is a downright lie. That`s all it is.

I strongly suggest you try to visit a Muslim country someday. You might just change your views.
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Male 12,138
Look, I know you`ve got this vision in your mind of how the Muslim world is full of female rape victims getting stones to death in the streets, and of how "Muslims in Muslim countries f*ck boys all in the streets all the time" as you said the other day.

I`m going to take a wild stab that you`ve never been to a Muslim country. Neither have most Islamophobes, almost exclusively. I myself have lived/worked Muslim countries for about 3 years, cumulatively. Morocco, Algeria, Tunisia, Libya, Saudi Arabia, Jordan, Syria, Bahrain, Qatar, the UAE, Oman and Iran. All of them. Never in my three years did I see or hear of a woman getting stoned to death in the street, or a Muslim man f*cking a boy in the street (which apparently happens "all the time", right?).
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Male 12,138
*sigh*

dax, I respectfully suggest you stop getting your information on Islam (and then citing it as a reliable source) from thereligionofpeace.com. In case you can`t tell, it`s a rabidly islamophobic, extremely stilted website with an agenda against Islam. Many of their claims are tenuous at best, and heck, look at that - they don`t allow comments on their site. Wonder why? Heck, I can cite sources from the internet too, if I wanted to make a point about the immigration problem facing the US. See how easy that was? Does that make it a reliable, credible source?
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Male 871
no but your implying its muslim against christian and this is clearly not the case.
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Female 322
Mcduff - does it make it any less wrong if they are a different minority than Christian?. OF COURSE NOT. Sheesh.
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Female 322
"Under Islamic law, rape can only be proven if the rapist confesses or if there are four male witnesses. Women who allege rape, without the benefit of the act having been witnessed by four men who subsequently develop a conscience, are actually confessing to having sex. If they or the accused happens to be married, then it is considered to be adultery." from thereligionofpeace.com. This is why woman either 1. do not come forward to the authorites when raped - they are confessing to adultery, and punished accordingly i.e. flogging/stoning or 2. if found pregnant with no husband, are automatically adulterers, see above. Rapes are either performed in secret so there will be no witnesses, or in the case of gang rape, which 4 witnesses do you imagine will come forward to implicate THEMSELVES?
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Male 589
gotta love that mustache.
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Male 871
In the interest of balance gypsies, muslims and members of the Ahmadi sect have all been denied access to some camps.
Its not just christians and its disingenuous to imply it is.
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Male 172
I do believe that people are misconstruing contemporary ethics within this post. Emphasis should not be put on the amount of people killed, but rather on the killing itself. It is wrong to kill anyone simply in the name of any religion. The number of causalities will increase as the ability of technology does.

Both Christianity and Islam are in the wrong here. Now, if you want to label either as a threat, I would label both, as they both pose a potential for intellectual and physical harm. Is Islam `more violent`? Perhaps. Perhaps not. But the cause of such violence (or lack thereof) should not be used as a determinant for an overall morality. Again, killing in the name of religion is wrong, and both camps have blood on their hands.
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Male 10,855
@CrakrJak
Hmm I wonder if any of those numbers happen to outweigh the Civilian casualties of the Bosnian War. A remember one Radovan Karadzic (a Serbian Orthodox) leading the Siege of Sarajevo (10000 civilians dead) and Srebrenica massacre (8000 Bosnian civilians killed). Ratko Mladic was the Chief of Staff during that war.
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Male 172
Also, you totally sidestepped the point of my previous post: it was to point out that the nation was not founded as a Christian nation. Not in any bit whatsoever.
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Female 322
Apernal: sorry, it was very early in the morning, I was awake and trying to get my cat off my roof, yes, I know the floods are in Pakistan. My bad there. And yes, I know the people giving relief to the victims include Christians. We seem to be all over the world when disaster strikes. AND I know the U.S. is giving a lot a relief to Pakistan, as well, I assumed the readers of the post understood that. I am also aware the relief we are giving is not reaching the Christians in relief camps (maybe not all) because they are being kicked out of them by the majority Muslim populations.
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Male 172
"All I`m saying is the morals from the christian religion (which i dont even call it a religion its actualy a relationship with Jesus Christ our father)is what really hold us up. Murder is wrong rape is wrong, unmarried sex is wrong, adultery is wrong samesex relations are wrong ect"

These morals stem not from religion but from a common understanding between each other as human beings. If you`d like to be illuminated to this further, I suggest an ethics class at your local community college; alternatively, there is much literature you may read up online.

I can, however, elucidate this to you very simply:

Does god declare things because they are good, or does his declaring them as good make them so? If the former, then we already can comprehend inherent good and don`t need God for such things. If the latter, then I would be very, very scared.
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Male 17,511
SephirothA83: Unlike you I give sources to my arguments, You just insult, condescend, and make BS unfounded allegations.
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Male 955
Crakr`s arguments can all fall under this basic premise.

"I am right."

You guys can`t win with someone that has convinced themselves of their own bullpoo. Prejudice douchebags like him are the ones keeping us from progressing.

Open your eyes people. I know I`m definitely not one to think, `a lot of terrorists we read about are Muslim, therefore all Muslims are terrorists.`

It`s pretty sad you guys are wasting your time trying to argue this simpler than poo point to someone that will never get it.
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Male 32
@kw112 your tottaly right, I`m a christian and burning their Koran will accomplish nothing but create more problems.
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Male 32
Prove that this country was founded as a Christian nation, please. Many of our founding fathers were not Christian, or even religious, to an extent. The constitution declares a separation of church and state BECAUSE THEY UNDERSTOOD THE INHERENT DANGER OF RELIGION AS A POLITICAL AND IDEOLOGICAL FORCE.

Your right it is wrong to force religion and there should be separation of church and state, and I don`t stand for what this pastor is doing, burning the Koran has no point I believe debating wether its facts are correct has more of meaning. All I`m saying is the morals from the christian religion (which i dont even call it a religion its actualy a relationship with Jesus Christ our father)is what really hold us up. Murder is wrong rape is wrong, unmarried sex is wrong, adultery is wrong samesex relations are wrong ect. and once we take christ out of this country we will lose our foundation and with that our morals will fall, we allrdy see that happening today...
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Female 17
Islam doesnt promote violence
its name is even coming from the world salam which means peace..
just individuals act stain Islam..
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Male 172
"Islam breeds more of the fantics and is constantly claiming its victimised when in fact its treated better then other minorities which shouldnt happen in equal society..."

The Westboro Baptist Church wants to have a word with you...
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Female 243
continued.......
Is that really an honorable thing to do? Even if the so called book did contain such horrible things as killing innocent civillians for something as pointless as religion, there are better ways to go about protesting something. In all honesty this man is acting like a child and is reacting too harshly. Im an athiest, you don`t see me burning Bibles and Korans, even though athiests have been killed for their beliefs by those groups.
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Female 243
People are missing the drating point. Everybody has their own sacred beliefs. And to be so DISRESPECTFUL, as a grown man. Does he have the right to burn them? Yes. Should he? No. Not only for Korans. I don`t care if he was burning a Bible or a Torah or anything, it`s just wrong.
If only humans could stop focusing on the SMALLEST differences and focus on what we all have in common this world would be a lot better place. He is doing no service to those men and women involved in 9/11 by burning Korans. All he is doing is disgracing them. Honestly, how many of you would want a book that is considered Holy to many, many people burned, "in your honor"???
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Male 997
Burning the book is stupid , but your legal system allows it. It`s been made a massive issue not because burning the book, but what will happen to everyone else when the wrath or proper muslims attack back. If they were as peaceful as Christianity Buddhists Hindu`s atheists etc book burning would have been ignored as it should have been.
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Male 997
Why is then that western secular societies. (uk for instance are having massive protests against pope %77 of country say they have no want or need for the pope) Are weary of islam and cautious. I mean cant have a cartoon insulting religon like you get elsewhere you`ll have rioting on the streets by millions of peaceful proper muslims. Or Panorma in uk exposing the islamic faith schools breeding extremism the very owns which were championed by Tony Blair as being tolerant and building bridges with society. Once again proper muslims.

The prejudices have been growing on Islam for some time and with reasons of regular special treatment and liberties being taken by various islamic communities. I dont give a poo what religon you are, I`m sure many of the muslims on here would never commit any atrocities but Islam breeds more of the fantics and is constantly claiming its victimised when in fact its treated better then other minorities which shouldnt happen in equal society...
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Female 535
Terry Jones and people like him: Perpetuating the stereotype of hateful, hypocritical, bigoted Christians since forever.
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Male 172
"@yanging do you live in the U.S because if you do you are parasite why I say that is because this country was founded as a christian country, we are free here and only because of Gods grace did we get here. I don`t know what you believe but without the true living God we would not be free, you live here and you are doing nothing but trying bring the very religion that brought this country to be here down. When this country loses Christ`s message it will fall trust me and you will lose your freedom..."

Prove that this country was founded as a Christian nation, please. Many of our founding fathers were not Christian, or even religious, to an extent. The constitution declares a separation of church and state BECAUSE THEY UNDERSTOOD THE INHERENT DANGER OF RELIGION AS A POLITICAL AND IDEOLOGICAL FORCE.
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Female 36
I have a problem with the inherent violence in his mustache.
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Male 14,331
@Kalimata

Will there be sexy witches there??? If so Im interested in that idea.
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Male 871
@Crackrjak its amazing that you think that because `more` people have died at the hands of muslims than christians validates your silly religion.
All it proves is that lots of people die at the hands of supposedly peaceful religions.
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Male 17,511
Baal, If islam is sooooooo peaceful and tells it`s people to not attack innocents, Then why have there bee over 16,000 terror attacks committed by muslims since 9/11 ? Source I suggest that instead of continuing to criticize Christianity that you as a muslim should be cleaning your own house first.

More people are killed by Islamists each year than in all 350 years of the Spanish Inquisition combined.

Islamic terrorists murder more people every day than the Ku Klux Klan has in the last 50 years.

More civilians were killed by Muslim extremists in two hours on September 11th than in the 36 years of sectarian conflict in Northern Ireland.

Cold hard facts outweigh rhetoric Baal.
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Male 505
@greatjob,

I thought America had this whole freedom of religion thing going on? Or are you just giving a prime example of what can go wrong with religion?
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Male 877







Please don`t do it Tel !
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Female 427
This whole ordeal makes me sad.
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Male 32
@yanging do you live in the U.S because if you do you are parasite why I say that is because this country was founded as a christian country, we are free here and only because of Gods grace did we get here. I don`t know what you believe but without the true living God we would not be free, you live here and you are doing nothing but trying bring the very religion that brought this country to be here down. When this country loses Christ`s message it will fall trust me and you will lose your freedom...
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Male 12,138
[quote]The very idea of preaching an afterlife is very frightening. Why bother caring for others, keeping the world `green`, finding renewable resources when you`re just going to heaven anyway, as long as you "accept Jesus Christ as your Lord and Savior?" [/quote]
Very true Yanging. A bit off- topic, but the people who are the most vehement global warming deniers and advocates for environmental rape are almost exclusively the the exact same born-again Christians who post on threads like this. Heck, AuburnJunky even said the other day "don`t worry about destroying the rainforests. They replant it behind them as they go anyways". Best I could tell he was being serious. I lolled, but very nervously.

And that`s just environmental issues. Imagine if they were in control of nukes. What`s to stop us hurrying up Armageddon a little if we`re all going to the afterlife anyway?

Anyways, off-topic, but worth noting.
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Male 661
By the gods. You`d think some people have never read the "Christian" bible. Preaching death, murder and all forms of nastiness, all that appears in the Christian holy text too. We should all just go out and dance naked like the Wiccans do.
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Male 5
I guess muslims are new Jews. Its easy to demonize a group that people know little about. Say they hate X and want to take over the world. Most people will believe anything. There was people saying ignorant and hateful things about minorities. At one time it was the Jews, the Homosexuals, the Catholics, and the Roma, calling the the enemy etc. Its also a good time to know who all the closet bigots & racists are.
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Male 172
"I have no problem with other religions but the Koran does preach hatred. It clearly tells its people to kill those who do not follow their teachings, and it even tells you in the Koran that if you die a maytr you will receive virgins in the afterlife. Is this seriously a religion we want around? The bible, moroms, catholics, buddist, and so on preach peace and love. Maybe what is written within those religions books of text might be considered violate, none of them tell you to kill if someone rejects your way of life."

The very idea of preaching an afterlife is very frightening. Why bother caring for others, keeping the world `green`, finding renewable resources when you`re just going to heaven anyway, as long as you "accept Jesus Christ as your Lord and Savior?"

The idea of having only one life, one chance, places an infinitely greater emphasis on actions taken in this, our only life.
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Male 172
This is why all religion needs being done away with.

I feel a storm brewing.
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Male 505
Well seeing as what you are writing is a translation and translations do not always convey the correct meaning due to multiple meanings or lack of meanings then i`m fine with the fight aspect. Although does the "slay them all" and "for tumult and oppression are worse than slaughter" carry the same potential when translated?
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@dax2009
no, u got it wrong.
there gotta be four witnesses to find the woman guilty
u gotta get ur info from a reliable source
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Male 4,546
Just for clarification "You can replace X with whatever you want", I just meant as a thought exercise.

the literal translation of the word fight fits only with "Wage war", not any kind of fight. "Qatilu".

So X for X should only really count as wage war.
Any other X (or any intonations based on the English word "fight" as "any kind of scuffle" don`t count).

Oddly enough, "Jihad" is almost any kind of struggle. Mahatma Ghandi`s resistance was called Jihad. The women`s rights movement the same.

Yet Jihad is the one demonized in the press. (like Taqiyya is now thanks to... certain individuals).

Anyway, long story short: Wage war if they wage war, stop if they do.
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Male 4,546
If you want to say "Those who suppress faith" is the only description fo the fight, then fine. That replaces X.

"Suppress the faith for Y, to those who suppress your faith"

Or "Eat their candy for Y if they eat your candy".

Now those are terrible translations, but the X for you is the same as the X for them (the same Arabic word is used for both). So whatever they`re doing, you`re allowed to do that (so long as it doesn`t go past limit Z).

Whatever you think fight means. It means it twice.
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Male 4,546
... The Z-Schema/Logic gate stuff was a joke...

But, lets try this in semi laymen terms.

"Do X for Y, if X occurs to you, but X must not exceed Z, because Y does not appreciate those who exceed Z."

"Could you explain that line in context to me, because to me it seems to be saying that the ones being fought are just supressing faith :S"

No, X occurs if X is done first. You can replace the text with whatever you want. "Those who suppress faith" is to differentiate between Muslims and non Muslims.

Technically, I can`t attack a Muslim (or woman, or child, or elderly) even in self defense. Though restraint is possible.

which in turn explains:
"Why does Saudi Arabia exsist then?"

Though a little pooty, saying as you could ask "Why are certain pastors against homosexuality, but not shellfish?"

Some people are dirty hypocrites.
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Male 505
@cajun

Yes i did. That quote was the only real description of what the "fight" was..
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Female 17
Am a muslim and reallly
:D thanks for buying our books and the fund :P
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Male 10,855
@Reganom
Did you read the entire line?
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Male 505
@baal

"Such is the reward of those who suppress faith."

Could you explain that line in context to me, because to me it seems to be saying that the ones being fought are just supressing faith :S
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Male 335
This man`s a drating waste of air.
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Male 5,189
Its like the same couple of people going back and forth in the comments lolll. Interesting.
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Male 14,331
[quote]Let there be no hostility except to those who practise oppression.[/quote]
Wow that`s an oxymoron how does the koran say to treat women and why does Saudi Arabia exsist then?
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Male 2,419
so... what day are we gonna call the anniversary of the crusades? or can we just do that one every day of the year?
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Male 4,546
Also, for corrective purposes, here is the real meaning of Taqiyya, and as always, cos it`s me, the wiki link.

I`m sure you`ll start using it properly any day now. Maybe you`ll start doing it after your next communion (you know, cannibalism).

(Before you say not all Christians adhere to communion, I`ll just point out this makes my analogy stronger, not weaker).
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Male 4,546
See my previous comment about breaking up "Thou shall not kill" into "Thou shall not" and "Kill" and pretending they are separate sentences.

Clearly the above says:
Let there be no hostility except to those who practise oppression.

I can write it up a Z schema if you like, or I can draw you a diagram with logic gates. The rules are always self defense.

Something Crakr agrees with. (After all, how often can you really turn the other cheek?).
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Male 4,546
Example here provided by Duffytoler:
"Slay them wherever you find them" is a reference to 2:191.

The "unbeliever" part is added for flavor, but we`ll forgive that.

In Context:
190 Fight in the cause of Allah those who fight you, but do not transgress limits; for Allah loveth not transgressors.

191 And slay them wherever ye catch them, and turn them out from where they have Turned you out; for tumult and oppression are worse than slaughter; but fight them not at the Sacred Mosque, unless they (first) fight you there; but if they fight you, slay them. Such is the reward of those who suppress faith.

192 But if they cease, Allah is Oft-forgiving, Most Merciful

193 And fight them on until there is no more Tumult or oppression, and there prevail justice and faith in Allah; but if they cease, Let there be no hostility except to those who practise oppression.

See my previous comment.
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Male 4,290
Damn character count lie.

... destroying it utterly, and all that is therein, and the cattle thereof, with the edge of the sword."


So yeah. You need to read the Bible deeplick.
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Male 10,855
[quote]The bible says "Thou shalt not...
thank you[/quote]
Fightin` words there Baal!
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Male 4,546
"Even Baal has admitted that the koran has rules and tactics for waging war in it."

Ahem, I did mention that those rules were "Only in self defence", and "even then don`t kill civilians, or women or children".

I suppose you didn`t feel that was important.

*Ahem* and now for my impression of Crakr, if he wasn`t a Christian:

"The Bible says `Thou shall not`, as we can see clearly a horrible oppressive religion, crushing people`s rights.... lets continue reading `Kill`, clearly a violent religion ordering it`s people to kill, and here, no context, so it must be everyone".

I thank you. *Bows*.

Seriously, you miss some important poo sometimes Crakr. (Psst. Dax, you missed it too).
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Male 4,290
[quote]the Koran does preach hatred. It clearly tells its people to kill those who do not follow their teachings [...] none of them tell you to kill if someone rejects your way of life[/quote]

Read these Bible quotes.

2 Chronicles 15:13 - "That whosoever would not seek the LORD God of Israel should be put to death, whether small or great, whether man or woman."

Deuteronomy 13:6-9 - "If thy brother, the son of thy mother, or thy son [etc] entice thee secretly, saying, Let us go and serve other gods [...] Thou shalt not consent unto him, nor hearken unto him [etc]: But thou shalt surely kill him; thine hand shall be first upon him to put him to death, and afterwards the hand of all the people."

Deuteronomy 13:12-15 "If thou shalt hear say in one of thy cities [...] the inhabitants of their city, saying, Let us go and serve other gods [...] Thou shalt surely smite the inhabitants of that city with the edge of the sword, destroyi
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Male 10,855
@apermal
and honestly the only way I can tell the difference is if I hear their name or hear them speak. I`d say the same in regards to Caucasians as well.
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Male 4,546
As usual Crakr, you didn`t know the firsty thing about islamic tenets, but are apparently fluent in Arabic (Taqiyya?).

Let me explain. Taqiyya is a word that has popped up recently (I didn`t hear it once 10 years ago), on a bunch of Anti-Islamic websites, and all of a sudden you know it.

Quaint. Now are you using it correctly? no, not yet. As always, a half truth.

Now, should I list deaths due to American intervention? Should I ask how many times the Middle East should turn the other cheek?

How about we go further, as always you dodge my questions, and are completely blind one way, but see with perfect clarity the other.

"If korans are burned so regularly then why is this so upsetting?"

Was he doing it to dispose of them in as respectful a way as possible, or were his intentions to antagonize.
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Male 10,855
[quote]Imams have been jailed[/quote]
Has this been going on in Turkey as well?
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Male 234
I have no problem with other religions but the Koran does preach hatred. It clearly tells its people to kill those who do not follow their teachings, and it even tells you in the Koran that if you die a maytr you will receive virgins in the afterlife. Is this seriously a religion we want around? The bible, moroms, catholics, buddist, and so on preach peace and love. Maybe what is written within those religions books of text might be considered violate, none of them tell you to kill if someone rejects your way of life.
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Male 4,290
It sounds like he keeps saying "Sharia lol". I wonder if it`s intentional.
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Male 2,862
I was gonna come on and rant but VikingGuy all credit has said pretty much everything I was going to, in a much more eloquent manner.
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Male 322
Good point. I know many Americans who when they see Chinese people, they say `Asians`. Even though there are dozens of non-oriental countries in Asia, including the Middle East and the CIS countries.
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Male 2,160
theres a fitting quotation for all these religious rantings in here: "Religion is like a penis. It`s fine to have one. It`s fine to be proud of it. But please don`t whip it out in public and start waving it around. And PLEASE don`t try to shove it down my children`s throats."
also, debate the pitiful minor differences between the 3 main faiths that are always going at it. You´re basically all the same doing the same rubbish non stop: rant, rage, threaten, hoot and hollar, kill people for no reason other than that god is a convinient excuse, so on.
Maybe learn to accept that essentially you´re all behind the same core ideals and live out your respectives holy books words on tollerance? Or is being the dead opposite of your teachings just that much fun? If so, maybe become an atheist, since we´re apparently the devil.
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Male 17,511
apermal: I guess that just depends on your definition of the term `middle-east`, Here in America, Most people would say that term covers every country between Egypt and India, That is south of Russia. But I see you`ve chosen `Asia` as your region when you live in Pakistan.
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Male 322
Hindus hardly get jobs in Pakistan that are not blue collar. Most if not all sweepers, cleaners etc are Hindu :( a Muslim in fact won`t even eat in the same plate with or a plate touched by a Hindu.

There`s only 3 temples in Karachi, as opposed to dozens upon dozens of Churches (Catholic, Protestant, Orthodox, Mormon, Methodist, Anglican).
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Male 322
Crackr, again, NOT the Middle East.

And I`m Pakistani btw, so I can pretty much speak for that country. All the news you hear, about Christian persecution in that country? Its not even a rarity, its so scarce no one even talks about it. Christians are probably the most secure minority in Pakistan. You should see the idiocy the Muslims there dole out against the Hindus. Now THAT would make your hair stand on end.
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I agree though, Ahmed-needs-a-job is a pathetic human rights guy, but he runs his country like a hard ass, and Iran is taking on any country that wishes to go against it without batting an eye-lid. The religious police there are bad, but nothing comapred to Saudi.

My Bibles were burnt or torn in front of my eyes at Dhahran Airport in Saudi. Twice. My uncle was jailed for a month simply for wearing a rosary around his neck. Inside his home.
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Male 17,511
apermal: It`s happening in Egypt, Turkey, Iran, Indonesia, Pakistan, Afghanistan and others as well. Coptic Christians, Jews, Sikhs, Kurds, Hindus, Buddhists, Zoroastrians, and other religions have been targets as well.
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Male 322
Crakr, neither Iran or Afghanistan are in the Middle East. Iran is part of SouthWest Asia, and it is a matter of extreme tensions between the Middle Eastern countries and Iran. Because Iran keeps trying to get into sea wars with Saudi and the UAE to make sure its called the Persian Gulf and not the Arabian Gulf.
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Female 4,039
I`m annoyed that this guy is getting so much coverage. He`s just a small town preacher with a congregation of 50. Who cares what he does or what his opinion is. Broadcasting this around the world is irresponsible and stupid. I guess we`ve run out of news.
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Male 322
"The muslims over in the middle-east are being brainwashed by their imams that the war in Afghanistan is a `religious war`."

Which Middle East are you talking about? I live in the Middle East, and the only countries where this - rarely - happens is Saudi Arabia, some parts of Iraq and Yemen.

It is a criminal act to even MENTION a thing about hatred against any race, religion or culture at the pulpits in a Mosque in the UAE, Bahrain, Qatar and Oman. Imams have been jailed, in some extreme cases for life. Way to generalise Crackr.
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Male 17,511
apermal: From reports that I`ve heard, Afghanistan is the most repressive, especially for women. Iran has Amenedanutjob as president and his religious police are rather draconian as well.
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Male 322
"What are we doing to help Afghanistan`s flood victims right now? HUH? What are we doing to help them, when that same help is being REFUSED to the Christians by the Afgan government and Mulim population? Christians being kicked out of flood refugee camps because of their faith."

Are you for real or are you just playing the ignorance card? The floods are in Pakistan. Pakistan. Big spelling change there. Big geographical difference as well. The floods are well over hundreds of kilometers from the nearest Afghan border. And Christians are working hand in hand with Muslims in the aid effort. Think before you speak.
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Male 5,194
>>Rick_S... the Quran, from what I`ve heard from educated people, is not a violet book,

True, it`s usually black. But it`s full "Death to the infidel!" and "Slay the unbeliever wherever you find them!" directives. You need to take a look at it for yourself.
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Male 322
"All this to say, I would rather die than live in a Muslim country."

That last line was a GROSS generalisation. Saudi Arabia is the worst Muslim country of all, I know, I lived there for 13 years. But Saudi, Iran and perhaps Yemen are the extreme. The UAE, Bahrain, Qatar, Oman, Malaysia, Brunei, etc are extremely liberal, outgoing and modern Islamic societies.

I`ve lived as a practicing Christian in Dubai for the last 12 years, did you know Dubai has the world LARGEST parish? 300,000 active parishioners in St. Mary`s Catholic Church. The Church land and costs of building were given by the Shaikh of Dubai.

It holds 3,000 people sitting, and 2000 standing.
Qatar 2 years ago unveiled the largest Church building in teh Gulf, with parking for over 1,000 cars. Match that in most Christian countries, would you please?
I would NEVER want you to live in Saudi, but I would take a wager and say the rest you`d like.
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Male 3,894
Video: "You have to look at the United States, a supposedly Christian country, based on the bible."

...where in the constitution does it say "you must be Christian?" This guy is absolutely nuts.
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Male 871
for some reason I am reminded of this posting


http://www i-am-bored com/bored_link cfm?link_id=47644
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Female 322
As mentioned below, I have read the Koran. And my mother was thinking of going to work at a new hospital in Saudi Arabia. She was going to train nurses. The money and the benefits were very substantial, very tempting. But the person interviewing her in Texas for the job told her many bad things about Saudi Arabia, but the worst, the main reason she wouldn`t take the job, is that they had thousands of text books in the basement of the building they were in, in which every picture of a woman, or any woman`s part, had to be torn out or blacked over. How in God`s name was she supposed to teach? With what? All this to say, I would rather die than live in a Muslim country.
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Male 17,511
osirisascend: How about this for a source, Very thorough and written by muslims wishing to reform islam.
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Female 322
Rick S. - have you even READ the Koran? I have. And in the Islam `holy war` mentality, there are NO innocents, not women, not children, not civilians. See how Hamas hide themselves among civilians: they hide behind the skirts of woman, and the blood and flesh of their own children. You see, the Jews care about the lives of children, and never respond in kind, if they know children or other civilians can be hurt or killed. But again, these terrorists believe there are NO civilians in their holy wars. How many children were killed in that school hostage situation a few years back in Russia? 400? Something like that. And that`s the body count of just the CHILDREN.
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Male 247
Freedom of speech? I believe this has nothing to do with the bible lol.
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Male 3,058
@ dax2009: That`s a pretty bold statement, and a pretty baseless one.

You`ve obviously never lived in an Islamic country.

I have, and so has davymid.

You have a LOT of nerve making blanket statements like that... Have you ever read the Quran?

No?

I didn`t think so. You strike me as one who can quote liberally from the Bible, and that`s it.

You know absolutely nothing about Islam, and it shows in your commentary here.
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Male 17,511
Lolboy: The book of Revelations is about prophecy, Jezebel had died long long before Revelations was written. The name is still used as a description for an immoral scheming woman, and that is the context of it`s use in Revelations. It`s a warning about sexual immorality and adultery leading people astray, and the consequences of it.

Btw, YOU chose to use this as an example. Don`t complain to me about your poor choice.

As for your other Luke 19:27 quote, It was taken out of context from the parable of the ten minas.

Jesus was NOT telling his disciples to bring his enemies to him and kill them. He was telling a story about a King who had unfaithful servants.

This is a rather infamous and oft used atheist fail at trying to accuse Jesus of being violent.
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Male 2,868
I approve of this interview.
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Female 322
There must be four male witnesses to the rape/adultery to find the woman INNOCENT.
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Female 322
And aren`t there stories in the Hadiths of Mohammed ordering women stoned?
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Female 322
Edimesic: what is your source for Christians bricking up mosques. Did it happen in this decade? In this century, even?
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Female 322
lolboy, but again, God isn`t sending Christians out to do it. He does it Himself, His judgement, His punishment. Not ours.
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churches do on occasion. You, devils music and all that. I was at a few, but, best as I recall, I never burned anything of mine. "Can`t have that Zed Zeppelin, no sir, that`s MINE."
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Female 322
EdiMesic, I would love to come over and hang out with you and your grandparents. I`m sure you and they could answer a zillion questions always running through my mind. But I hear, constantly, of the atrocities committed in the name of Allah. I am not exposed to the kind of people you seem to be. Speak out more loudly, more often, make your voices heard. The news doesn`t sell ads with stories of the good. It`s uninteresting, I guess. I rant a lot on here, but when I meet Muslims in public, I am the zenith of all hospitality, and I do wish them all good things. I think Christians could use some of the ferver I see Muslims exhibit on tv: in a way, I admire that. I just wish it was directed in a more peaceful way. And even though I said I would, in reaction to someone else`s post, I would NEVER burn a Koran. I only have one, lol, and I read it occasionally. So gotta keep it. But, in case someone doesn`t know this, burning books and record albums is something a lot of Christian
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Male 3,330
"If they would just leave it up to God, (vengeance is MINE, saith the Lord)"

You wouldn`t live your life by a quote from any other holy text but your own, so it`s unfair to expect them to live their lives by a quote from any other holy text but their own. Your belief system tells you the Lord said that, and that`s great for you, but theirs might not.

Besides, the Quran, from what I`ve heard from educated people, is not a violet book, and puts forth peace. Killing innocent children and women is forbidden. That`s why you`ll hear people say that the terrorists who are claiming to do their thing in the name of Allah are not real Muslims.
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the regimes in control of islamic countries. There will continue to be problems. This is the same condemnation you see of other non islamic countries regimes without human rights abuses. Or other migrant populations, but more fuss for concessions and attack gets made of Islam which is a mistake.
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Male 997
http://memri.org/ The muslim media and world translated very peacful....

The problems have come as more muslims have come over to the western world. Muslims are not inherently evil or terrorists. But originally Social pressure to wear hijabs etc was not strong. They integrated but kept religion.. However as more come over their has been less integration and more keeping to own. (not all but significant numbers of) And with it , it has heard calls of Sharia Law and other Islamic practices into western countries. Which are calls you do not get from other religions (aside from the majority Christianity but is kept in check by separation of church and state) There has also been a rise of anti-semitism in Europe.

Islam is welcome in western society, the oppressive culture which is seen in islamic countries is not. And until those society wrestle control from `distortions` of
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Female 322
...and that`s probably why Christians don`t riot and kill and bomb and rape and destroy when THEIR Holy Book is defiled. They leave it up to God, who judges all in righteousness, tempered with mercy.
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Female 322
lolboy: read the whole thing, don`t take it out of context. It was a parable about His coming kingdom, NOT the world today. At a future point, at the end of the world, He will judge all mankind, starting with His own people. He wasn`t giving orders to His disciples and all those coming after him. It was a parable about His second coming. Muslims are killing here, and killing now, because the Koran and Hadiths appear to tell them to do so. If they would just leave it up to God, (vengeance is MINE, saith the Lord) at the end of all things....well, I wouldn`t have a problem with THAT.
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Female 836
Sigh... I lived in Gainesville, Florida for several years. It`s one of the nicest, most tolerant and integrated communities I`ve ever been in. So strange that he`s from there.
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Male 798
Crakr: That conclusion is probably the feeblest argument that you have made thus far.

Sorry, but worshiping idols and "Sexual immorality" don`t really hold any weight in this argument. And to condone the fact that God commanded her to be slain and her children to be struck down is in no way, shape or form "right".



Hate to tell you, but sexually transmitted diseases have been present ever since we started sticking our phalluses into each other. So no, that is in no way a prophecy of any sort.

You still have not touched on any of my other points. This is interesting, since you attempt to attack my arguments selectively, and divert from our topic.
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lolboy: Jezebel, was the daughter of the pagan king of Sidon, Ethbaal. Jezebel seduced Ahab the King of Israel at that time, and led Israel into years of pagan worship.

`Jezebel` in the book of Revelations is a reference to those people misleading members of the church into sexual immorality and idol worship. If taken literally, this sounds like a real suffering that could come from the distribution of a terrible sexually transmitted disease. It was a warning and prophecy from God and it certainly seems to be coming true, Doesn`t it ? How many new STDs have been discovered in the last 30 years ?
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Male 877
terry jones, wasnt he in monty python?
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Male 17,511
EdiMesic: The American military has went to great lengths to avoid firing on or bombing mosques, Even if that means letting the bad guys get away. there has been a few incidents of collateral damage to mosques, But we`ve never intentionally destroyed one. So please get your facts straight.
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Male 798
Ok Crakr, so do Christians live in the Gospels? How about all of the New Testament? I refer you to my below posts then. Although the Old Testament is essentially null after Christ came, the God is the same, and you cannot simply push that aside.

You will find some of the same concepts in the New Testament. Screw anyone who doesn`t want to accept Jesus.

Prejudiced? That is a very bold statement, and very hypocritical. Also, they may not have had their day in court, but the FBI found stockpiles of weapons and documents planning an attack on police funerals to combat the antichrist. That doesnt leave it open to very much interpretation.

However, the concept remains the same. Yes, there have been some muslim extremist terrrorist plots revealed, but the point is that the same hatred that you heap onto all Islamic people is present in Christianity as well.
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Prejudiced: There is no such thing as `oil mines`, there are oil wells in Iraq and they all belong to the Iraqi government. America doesn`t even buy or use Iraqi oil because it has a high sulfur content and, Because of EPA laws, We can`t refine it. America buys mostly `light sweet crude` because it`s easy to refine and doesn`t cause problems with the EPA.
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Male 17,511
Lolboy: Christians don`t live Deuteronomy, Numbers and Leviticus, That was Jewish mosaic law and history.

Even Jews today do not follow `eye for an eye` etc...

Some muslims don`t want sharia either, They want Reform. Still in America right now, muslims extremism does exist, and several plots have been uncovered.

Prejudiced: Those men have yet to have their day in court and are innocent until proven guilty under our system of justice.

Under Sharia law in Afghanistan it only take 2 men to accuse a person of wrongdoing and that person is considered guilty until they prove their innocence. Forensic evidence is rarely if ever allowed, and even most documents are not admissible, There is no jury, No pre-trial discovery, No lawyers, and No penalty for perjury, And no appeal. It`s mainl
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Male 478
"neither condone violence"
That`s a filthy lie and you know it. Almost all religions` holy texts preach to kill one`s enemy.
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Male 113
well said, EdiMesic
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Male 113
@dax "Find THAT kind of statement in the Koran."
I cant, because there is no statement about Muhammad even tying up an adulterer for stoning. The Koran does command adulterers to be stoned, but before that takes place, there must be 4 wise men who admitted to have witnessed the adultery, if you didnt already know.
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Male 592
In the EXACT same way when a group of `Christians` brick an entire mosque and inflict physical unjuries on anyone that looks like a muslim.

Would any Christian call these people representatives of Christianity?

No, they wouldn`t. Though the Koran and the Bible differ on some level, neither condone violence. Any TRUE Christian/Muslim would NOT do the things an extremist does.

End of story.

Moral: Don`t think a smaller group of people speak for a much larger one.

Personal opinion: Wether you`re a `Christian` bricking mosques/hurting muslims or a `Muslim` who`s burning flags and bombing places filled with innocent people; You deserve DEATH. You only use your religion as an excuse to convey your insanity. And if humanity is really falling into such a grim fate, then we`d all best be rid of religion entirely. In a sense, fully agreeing with Davymid.
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Male 798
Revelation 2:20-23 (New International Version)

20. Nevertheless, I have this against you: You tolerate that woman Jezebel, who calls herself a prophetess. By her teaching she misleads my servants into sexual immorality and the eating of food sacrificed to idols. 21. I have given her time to repent of her immorality, but she is unwilling. 22. So I will cast her on a bed of suffering, and I will make those who commit adultery with her suffer intensely, unless they repent of her ways. 23. I will strike her children dead. Then all the churches will know that I am he who searches hearts and minds, and I will repay each of you according to your deeds.

OH NOES, NOT FOOD SACRIFICED TO IDOLS.

I don`t know, seems like a nice dude. You know, strike down her children`s children`s children for her sins.
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Male 592
So I`m a muslim. And here`s how I see things.

I was practically raised by my grandparents who told me to love my religion, but to fully respect the religion of others. I`ve had many Christian friends, coming over for dinner and my grandparents showed them the same love and hospitality as with anyone else.

Here I am now, reading all this sh*t about people burning Korans, thinking; Where is this hate coming from? Apparently, there`s a group of `so called` muslims bombing locations and burning flags, trying to be the `representatives` of every Muslim out there.

Let me put it in a way everyone is going to understand; THOSE PEOPLE ARE -NOT- MUSLIMS.

They use religion, Allah and the Koran and twist it in a way so that they can wage war and act like barbarians.
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Male 113
here`s some food for thought
if the Bible and the Koran and most of other holy scriptures tell of war against enemies and advocate peace and forgiveness and many other stuffs that can be found in one another,
isnt it possible that they are actually word of the same God (for theists, obviously)
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Male 798
Dax: Why don`t I direct you here.

Luke 19:27-28
27But those mine enemies, which would not that I should reign over them, bring hither, and slay them before me.

See, Jesus can be just as cruel to anyone who doesnt agree with him.
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Female 322
God had the Jews go to battle for a.defense and b.land, for a place to live. And it was for a specific time, and a specific place. It wasn`t conquer and convert the world by the sword.
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Female 322
Jesus told the men ready to stone the adulterer, `whoever among you is without sin, cast the first stone.` They left without throwing any. He then told the woman, caught in the very act of adultery, neither do i condemn you, go and sin no more. Find THAT kind of statement in the Koran.
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Female 322
davymid: I have a very clear memory of watching Bernadette Devlin on Tom Snyder (a late night show way back when) talk about the war in Ireland. She said it was based NOT on religion, but class - the British were generally more well off. Plus, it is called IRELAND still, not `little britain` or some such. Don`t blame religion on that conflict, please. I`ve studied it some ever since the what, 1969? Sad, very sad, but not usable for a `look at what Christians do` tirade.
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Male 314
He actually earned some respect from me at the end when he said they would be against burning bibles but would respect the a person`s freedom to do so (I believe that`s what he meant by "not threaten to kill them").

It`s nice to see a right-wing christian activist type who actually understands the concepts of freedom of religion and speech.
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Male 877
your 15 minutes are up terry...now f u c k o f f!
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Female 249
I feel like I redeemed myself for my previous idiotic post then:-). davymid and CrakrJak know what I mean :3
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Male 955
@ Prejudiced

good post, although it`s going to fall on deaf ears to that guy. We have our own terrorists, and I would bet money none of the 12 people in that group are Muslim.
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Female 249
*That said the war on terror has killed thousands of innocent civilians who are on the same moral side as us. Guerrilla warfare is hard to combat by usual means. Forcing people to vacate there homes then going in and shooting anyone remaining/bombing places will kill you afew "terrorists" sure, but also a pooload of civilians. And leave more homeless or with half wrecked shelters. With no financial aid or assistance to get back on there feet.

Then there`s the question of assets. How many oil mines has the American government (and Australian too actually) seized now?

War is drated up. I`ve got a cousin over there (Hes a paramedic, not a fighter) whos gone in with the bomb squads. God he`s seen some sick poo, including American soldiers shooting people for sport. Three were caught and charged recently.
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Female 249
Burning a Koran is a legitimate way of disposing of a copy. Just goes to show the stupidity of some people.

"the Koran has rules and tactics for waging war in it"

And the Bible tells you to rape and pillage those who don`t believe in your religion. And that if a woman is not a virgin on her wedding night to kill her. And a million other violent things.

Does that make Christianity violent? No.

The people are the problem, not the religion itself. Plenty of Muslims over here in Australia guys, there pretty cool. Most moved here to escape the extremists.

It`s like if Christianity started taking the Old Testament literally and killing everyone who doesn`t believes. If you read up on the Taliban and how they get and brainwash kids into it its pretty drating sad.

Do the extremists need to be stopped? Yes. Does that mean all Muslims are bad? No. The majority are as peaceful as the next person.

That said, the war on terro
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Male 798
to deny that the God of the Bible commands his followers to exact violence on his opposition, especially in the Old Testament.
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Male 798
Crakr: "I`d like to believe that American muslims are less war loving than their middle-east counterparts, But with the dozens of home-grown terrorists that have been arrested plotting attacks here, I`m reticent to see our country let it`s guard down."

Do you honestly believe that strictly members of every religion other than Christianity are capable of terrorism? I shall direct you here.

I agree with your point that in Islam-dominated countries children are being brainwashed into believing in extremist ideals, but by recognizing that fact, you must see that Muslims in non-Sharia countries, such as here in the good ol` U.S. of A, they are not like that. I know some in my community and discussed this, and they don`t endorse violence like that in any way. Yes, the Koran has some violent aspects, but it would be ignorant of you, as a Christian,
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Male 25,416
Silly, very silly!
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Male 955
So the Koran talks about waging war.

So does the Bible. I`m sure various other religious books speak plenty on it.

"I`d like to believe that American muslims are less war loving than their middle-east counterparts, But with the dozens of home-grown terrorists that have been arrested plotting attacks here, I`m reticent to see our country let it`s guard down. "

So the `dozens` of home-grown terrorists, outweigh the likely millions of Muslims in the US today?
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Male 17,511
Dragonlord: you are the `ignorant individual` if you believe the `religion of peace` tag islam has given itself.
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Male 497
Actually burning the Koran is okay, if it`s damaged and someone wants to dispose of it, either shred into really tiny pieces or burn it.

If you get a Koran and burn it for hate it`s your loss.
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Male 17,511
Even Baal has admitted that the koran has rules and tactics for waging war in it. This is why people in the west see the `religion of peace` tag as being such a bad joke.

I understand you`ve seen IRA vs. Loyalists, I never understood that. It was ridiculous in my eyes, Christians fighting one another. I`m glad that episode of history is over.

I`d like to believe that American muslims are less war loving than their middle-east counterparts, But with the dozens of home-grown terrorists that have been arrested plotting attacks here, I`m reticent to see our country let it`s guard down.

We aren`t at war with muslims, But most of them believe they are war with us. It`s one of the few things that unite them, And it certainly doesn`t help to have atheists spouting crap against Christians and trying to equate the crusades with the current war in Afghanistan. The muslim media, in the middle-east, Eats that stuff up and spits it back out as propaganda.
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Male 734
I came on the comments out of sheer morbid curiousity. I was not let down in my expectation of horror. I`m not going to get too involved in this. I have more productive things to do (like teaching llamas vector calculus). But I will say this much:

CrakrJak, you are a ignorant individual worthy of the most extreme spite. You have no understanding of these issues. You make wildly inaccurate statements, and back them up with nonsense. It is people like you who fuel the hatred that puts us in these situations. You are a tarnish to our civilization.

I hope that, one day, you can learn to be accepting of other peaceful religions, and perhaps even promote that acceptance. I hope that you become educated about other cultures. But until then, remember this: every time you spew hatred at the other side, you are giving them one more reason to hate you.
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Female 91
What a sicko. He makes all Christians look bad. : (
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Male 955
@ Crakr

"The muslims over in the middle-east are being brainwashed by their imams that the war in Afghanistan is a `religious war`. Once Bin Laden is dead there will be no reason for us to be there, If the muslims there would just realize that, And turn him over instead of continuing to hide him, They could save themselves a lot of strife."

This statement is wrong in so many ways its incredible.
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Male 955
@davy

You`ll never get your or anyone`s point across to Crakr or anyone like him. They are far too disillusioned to see anyone`s point but their own regardless of what facts you present or how many times you connect the dots for them.
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Male 17,511
davymid: [quote]Crakr, seriously, listen to me. Muslims are not your enemy. They’re the same as you, under a different banner.[/quote]

Not even remotely close to being correct. I`m no `accident of birth` Christian, That`s secular atheist baloney.

I would never advocate a `religious war`, Saddam Hussein was evil period, Even his own country men were glad to get rid of him.

The muslims over in the middle-east are being brainwashed by their imams that the war in Afghanistan is a `religious war`. Once Bin Laden is dead there will be no reason for us to be there, If the muslims there would just realize that, And turn him over instead of continuing to hide him, They could save themselves a lot of strife.

Speaking of `religious war` the muslims have been at each others throats since the 14th century, What could possibly make you think they`ll beat their swords into plowshares if we were to leave right now ? Even Baal has admitted that the koran has
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Male 177
um... where was the hating of the jews and homos like the tag claimed? I missed that part. I`m also going to point out as far as religious zealots go hes remarkably polite and well spoken.
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Male 472
I`m going to go burn a bible just for the hell of it. (ha ha pun)
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Male 147
Reading the posts bellow, I find it amazing how insane some people must be to go through the mental gymnastics necessary to hate an entire group of people as if they were a singular entity.

The only difference between the Muslim and western world is that the western world puts religion on a leash through separation of church and state. You can bet that a Christian theocracy would be as bad (and was as bad) as a Muslim theocracy and would result in the same horrors. e.g. the inquisition made psychological torture into an artform.
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Male 12,138
All this divisiveness. I sincerely believe if we do have a WWIII, then it’s going to be over religion. Which makes me sad, especially as it’s an entirely man-made construct, a false extra layer of tribalism over and above the obvious ones of nationality and race, which we already fight over. And to circumvent the statement “if you remove religion, people would just fight over something else!”, then I strongly disagree. As I’ve said before, it’s like saying “No point finding a cure for cancer, people would just die of something else!” I’m more optimistic for the human race than than. Maybe I’m foolish.

For all these reasons, I’d quote the 20th century author, playwright, philosopher and wit Stephen Fry, and join his sentiment of:

“Religion. Sh*t it”.
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Male 12,138
Crakr, seriously, listen to me. Muslims are not your enemy. They’re the same as you, under a different banner. Think about this. You’re a devout Christian, right? You believe in the Holy Rapture at the End of Days, the only way to salvation is through our Lord Jesus Christ, homosexuality is a disease/addiction/lifestyle choice/abomination etc. You DO realize (please realize) that if you had happened to be born in the Middle East, you’d be just as fervent in your religion, except that your religion would be Islam. And if you had been born in India, you’d be a fervent Hindu. And if you had been born in China, you’d be a fervent Traditional Animist. You’re only a fervent Christian by accident of birth. You just so happened to have been born into a Christian family in America.
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Male 12,138
I’d like to draw a parallel, if I may. You yourself have never known religious war, except at a comfortable arms-length, best I can tell. I have. I grew up in Belfast, Northern Ireland, where one flavour of Christian was blowing another flavour of Christian into charred hunks of smoking flesh in front of their Children. One protagonist of that “struggle” was the IRA, a terrorist organisation. 3000+ deaths all in all, most of them pretty horrific, by bomb and gun. The IRA was predominantly Christian Catholic Irish, their opponents being the Christian Protestant British. Yet at no point did Britain think, or even consider, that invading Catholic Ireland was viable. Why? Because (and here comes the clue-train, last stop, you) the problem was not with Catholics, but with terrorist extremists who happened to be Catholic.
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Male 12,138
Crakrjak said to Baalthazaq: “Now tell me, How many times is the US supposed to `turn the other cheek` ?”
Crakr, I find your stance very disturbing. You’re advocating making an adversary out of Muslims based on attacks by extremist terrorists. Hell, I could pull out a counter-number that according to http://www.iraqbodycount.org/, that there’s been some 100,000 civilians killed in Iraq since the internationally illegal invasion to get those WMDs, vs the 3403 killed according to your numbers by terrorists. But I won’t. That would be churlish of me. Never mind that some of your “attacks” you list are kinda vague (e.g. “April 1984: 18 dead near a U.S. airbase in Spain.” What?) and others are what would in some interpretations be considered “legitimate targets”, i.e. military personnel carrying out combat mission
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Male 774
No, no.
I`m taking religion away from you, you can have it back when you`ve learned you lesson, now go sit in that corner.

I don`t care who started it I`m ending it!
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Male 22
The Truth About Christianity.

http://freetruth.50webs.org/B1a.htm
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Male 798
Dax: I think most of the people here aren`t Muslim apologists, but rather believe that you shouldn`t put countries with a 99% Muslim population in the same boat with Muslims in, say, the US. Yes, bad things are going to happen when the government runs based on a religious law. I know some Islamic people here in the U.S. that are more kind than most of the other people I know.
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Male 3,755
I`m somewhat ashamed that IAB couldn`t pass up the opportunity to profit off this moron`s small, petty attempt to create controversy.
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Female 322
For 9/11 some friends and I are going out and burning some Korans. I don`t understand the correlation but I want to feel like I`m helping something
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Female 322
And talk about revenge, are we kicking Muslim butt in India, where they are killing and raping Christians? Or any one of a hundred other (yes, I know that`s hyperbole) mainly Muslim countries where they are doing the same? What are we doing to help Afghanistan`s flood victims right now? HUH? What are we doing to help them, when that same help is being REFUSED to the Christians by the Afgan government and Mulim population? Christians being kicked out of flood refugee camps because of their faith. God, but I am tired of Muslims and their apologists.
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Male 798
No christian extremist groups?

Uhh. Orly?
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Female 322
kw112 - killing people in their land? are you referring to the 1st gulf war? the one where we were pleaded to by (and lied to, by the way, LIED TO OUR COUNGRESS) Saudi Arabia to come and save their a***s?
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Female 322
kw112 - show me ONE instance of ANY Christian in this day and age actual or even THREATENING violence because someone burned a Bible. Or dunked a crucifix in urine.
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Male 798
Crakr: I did actually, however he was actually opposing the UN intervention in Somalia`s civil war so his motivations were not religious, they were political.

Also, you didn`t answer the question as to how that relates to Muslims everywhere.
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Male 17,511
Lolboy: Why don`t you look up that Somali warlords name ?

Never mind, I`ll do it for you. His name was Mohamed Farrah Aidid Leader of the Somali National Alliance.
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Male 194
the difference between Koran and the bible, is that the Bible essentially teaches "turn the other cheek" whereas, the Koran encourages violence against all others if they do not follow islam.
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Male 17,511
Baalthazaq: If korans are burned so regularly then why is this so upsetting ? It`s 1 preacher with a congregation of 50, All sorts of Christians and conservative leaders have said that it was a stupid think to do, And by recent reports he`s now canceled the plans for the burning. But Middle-East media will still spin this as if it will still actually occur.

This guys actions would`ve gone unnoticed, But middle-east news loves to rake up anti-American hatred even if they have to use taqiyya(lying) to do it.

Had some western news channel reported like they have, The western news channel would`ve had their license revoked for inciting people to violence. Among Middle-Eastern news channels it`s standard operating procedure to use taqiyya(lying) about or against `unbelievers` to further islam.
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Male 798
Uh, the guy behind the attacks on helicopters AKA: Black Hawk Down was a warlord in Somalia. Remind me how Islam as a whole, including those here in the U.S. have anything to do with that.
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Male 798
Mr. Pedo Bear: That`s the thing. If any religion had a total majority in any country, persecution of other religions/non believers would happen, even with Christianity.
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Male 17,511
2000 Failed USS The Sullivans bombing that was refueling in the port of Aden, Yemen. (Jan 3, 2000)
2000 Bombing USS Cole in the port of Aden, Yemen, 17 U.S. Navy sailors murdered (Oct 12, 2000)
(The USS Cole was not engaged in any combat during this period)
2000 Bombing plaza across from US Manila Embassy (Dec 30, 2000)

Now tell me, How many times is the US supposed to `turn the other cheek` ?
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1993 Foiled NY Landmarks plot by Omar Abdel Rahman to blow up the Holland and Lincoln tunnels
and other New York City landmarks
1993 Attempted Assassination of Pres. Bush Sr. during visit to Kuwait (April 14, 1993)
1993 Black Hawk Down: shot down US helicopters in Mogadishu, Somalia,
during Operation Restore Hope (Oct 3-4, 1993)
1994 Plot to assassinate President Clinton during visit to the Philippines
1995 Failed Project Bojinka by Ramzi Yousef to blow up a dozen US airliners over the Pacific (end in Jan 1995)
1995 Bombing US military headquarters, Riyadh, Saudi Arabia (Nov 13, 1995)
1996 Bombing Khobar Towers, Saudi Arabia, housing U.S. foreign military personnel (Jun 25, 1996)
1998 Bombing U.S. Nairobi Embassy, Kenya, Africa (Aug 7, 1998)
1998 Bombing U.S. Dar es Salaam Embassy, Tanzania, Africa (Aug 7, 1998)
1999 Foiled LAX Millennium plot by Ahmed Ressam to bomb Los Angeles International Airport
(Ressam was arrested at US Canadian bo
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Baalthazaq: How many attacks do you think America has endured 2 ?
April 1983: 17 dead at the U.S. embassy in Beirut.
October 1983: 241 dead at the U.S. Marine barracks in Beirut.
December 1983: five dead at the U.S. embassy in Kuwait.
January 1984: the president of the American University of Beirut killed.
April 1984: 18 dead near a U.S. airbase in Spain.
September 1984: 16 dead at the U.S. embassy in Beirut (again).
December 1984: Two dead on a plane hijacked to Tehran.
June 1985: One dead on a plane hijacked to Beirut.
1985 Hijacking cruise ship Achille Lauro, wheelchair-bound American is thrown overboard & killed (Oct 7, 1985)
1986 Bombing Berlin disco frequented by US servicemen (April 5, 1986)
1988 Bombing Pan Am Flight 103 over Lockerbie, Scotland, 100&#8242;s murdered (Dec 21, 1988)
1993 First bombing World Trade Center, New York City, 7 Killed, 1,042 wounded (Feb 26, 1993)