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243 Responses to Tea Party Winner Doesn`t Want You Masturbating

  1. Profile photo of madest
    madest Male 40-49
    7378 posts
    September 17, 2010 at 12:37 pm
    Link: Tea Party Winner Doesn`t Want You Masturbating - Christine O`Donnell, winner of the republican primary in DE has a problem with fapping.
  2. Profile photo of fancylad
    fancylad Male 30-39
    18860 posts
    September 17, 2010 at 2:00 pm
    How am I supposed to NOT fap to someone that cute?
  3. Profile photo of SPARTAKITTY
    SPARTAKITTY Female 18-29
    2120 posts
    September 17, 2010 at 2:05 pm
    fap fap fap
  4. Profile photo of Pheeshy5
    Pheeshy5 Male 18-29
    1312 posts
    September 17, 2010 at 2:05 pm
    I love how christians solid back-up statement is "the bible says..." I`m gonna jerk it to all of those girls faces in spite
  5. Profile photo of slagar
    slagar Male 18-29
    3 posts
    September 17, 2010 at 2:05 pm
    The pastor`s last name would have rooster in it.
  6. Profile photo of fris212
    fris212 Male 30-39
    61 posts
    September 17, 2010 at 2:06 pm
    batsh*t crazy....
  7. Profile photo of ggolbez
    ggolbez Male 18-29
    1933 posts
    September 17, 2010 at 2:06 pm
    Wow. Just, wow. First off, morality is an individual point of view. Early teens need to be able to make up their own mind of what is right and wrong. By shoving down their throats some doctrine that YOU make up, that their bodies are naturally sinful, is what is wrong.

    Secondly, there is no drating commandment of "Thou shalt not wank it" in the bible. Adultery is sex. Masturbation isn`t sex. GAAAAH this made me rage so hard.
  8. Profile photo of I-IS-BORED
    I-IS-BORED Male 18-29
    2419 posts
    September 17, 2010 at 2:08 pm
    so... we have god given sexual desires but god doesn`t want people masturbating or having pre-marital sex... so god wants 14 year olds to marry and have children? why else would he give you those desires at that age?
  9. Profile photo of Luniz82
    Luniz82 Male 18-29
    588 posts
    September 17, 2010 at 2:08 pm
    Just another reason to hate religion. Always trying to control EVERYTHING you do.
  10. Profile photo of mervviscious
    mervviscious Male 40-49
    1793 posts
    September 17, 2010 at 2:09 pm
    I was flapping while I watched, loved her lipstick mmmmmmmm
  11. Profile photo of Piepig
    Piepig Male 13-17
    1524 posts
    September 17, 2010 at 2:09 pm
    But it`s natural! D:
  12. Profile photo of Turtlestyl
    Turtlestyl Male 30-39
    33 posts
    September 17, 2010 at 2:10 pm
    She likes masterbating
  13. Profile photo of whyme73
    whyme73 Male 18-29
    469 posts
    September 17, 2010 at 2:12 pm
    Is it wrong that I masturbated to this video then?
  14. Profile photo of shizzamX
    shizzamX Female 18-29
    2695 posts
    September 17, 2010 at 2:12 pm
    i don`t even know what to say about that
  15. Profile photo of stendec
    stendec Male 18-29
    96 posts
    September 17, 2010 at 2:13 pm
    fap fap fap
  16. Profile photo of kribbe
    kribbe Male 18-29
    2006 posts
    September 17, 2010 at 2:14 pm
    "if he already knows what pleases him, and he can please himself, then why am i in the picture"

    cuz sandwiches don`t do themselves. jk they don`t do it to muggles
  17. Profile photo of pizzabob18
    pizzabob18 Male 18-29
    366 posts
    September 17, 2010 at 2:16 pm
    I bet she contradicts that statement when she`s behind closed doors
  18. Profile photo of k8lin
    k8lin Female 18-29
    302 posts
    September 17, 2010 at 2:18 pm
    @I-IS-BORED
    I agree entirely! The bible was made during an age where kids married and had families at 14, but now that society has changed, these messages aren`t versatile enough to address the sexuality of young adults.

    kribbe: "cuz sandwiches don`t do themselves."
    LOL, okay, that was good.
  19. Profile photo of Victory7
    Victory7 Male 18-29
    362 posts
    September 17, 2010 at 2:21 pm
    >Republican
    >Tea Party
    Not the same thing.
    >My face when I can`t greentext like on 4chan
    >=(
  20. Profile photo of Cajun247
    Cajun247 Male 18-29
    10732 posts
    September 17, 2010 at 2:25 pm
    FAP YOU Christine O`Donnell!!!

    Why am I in the picture?
    Ohoho! There`s a difference!
  21. Profile photo of LemonTarte
    LemonTarte Female 18-29
    1441 posts
    September 17, 2010 at 2:27 pm
    Oh god, people literally had no sense of fashion in the 90`s.
  22. Profile photo of rammo34
    rammo34 Male 18-29
    1083 posts
    September 17, 2010 at 2:27 pm
    I love how the dramatic music starts right when they start talking about masturbating.
  23. Profile photo of Toider
    Toider Male 18-29
    452 posts
    September 17, 2010 at 2:28 pm
    Fair enough...drop yer panties and bend over.
  24. Profile photo of AtlasOtus
    AtlasOtus Male 18-29
    417 posts
    September 17, 2010 at 2:30 pm
    Is it a bad pun to say I masturbate religiously?
  25. Profile photo of pui
    pui Female 18-29
    3574 posts
    September 17, 2010 at 2:30 pm
    "If he already knows what he likes and can please himself, why does he need me?" is SUCH a stupid mentality to have.
  26. Profile photo of Scott_2150
    Scott_2150 Male 18-29
    801 posts
    September 17, 2010 at 2:32 pm
    Because it`s a lot easier when you`re lying on your back, eating the sandwich that was just made for you, whilst she rides on your c*ck.
  27. Profile photo of Happy_Pandas
    Happy_Pandas Female 13-17
    307 posts
    September 17, 2010 at 2:36 pm
    I`ve bet they`ve masturbated at least once in their lives. :|
  28. Profile photo of dude21862004
    dude21862004 Male 18-29
    768 posts
    September 17, 2010 at 2:37 pm
    Yes, cause why would I want to have sex when I can totally just do it myself with my hand. Oh yeah....
  29. Profile photo of MrTwidget
    MrTwidget Male 30-39
    795 posts
    September 17, 2010 at 2:38 pm
    Now I have to go watch some porn..
  30. Profile photo of Tominatrix
    Tominatrix Male 13-17
    152 posts
    September 17, 2010 at 2:43 pm
    "Because it`s a lot easier when you`re lying on your back, eating the sandwich that was just made for you, whilst she rides on your c*ck."

    this.
  31. Profile photo of k8lin
    k8lin Female 18-29
    302 posts
    September 17, 2010 at 2:43 pm
    AtlasOtus: "Is it a bad pun to say I masturbate religiously?"

    LOL!
  32. Profile photo of BigPappa
    BigPappa Male 40-49
    163 posts
    September 17, 2010 at 2:44 pm
    Why are you in the picture? Indeed.
  33. Profile photo of darkgear6
    darkgear6 Male 70 & Over
    1378 posts
    September 17, 2010 at 2:44 pm
    Perma-virgin religious nuts
  34. Profile photo of Altaru
    Altaru Male 18-29
    3483 posts
    September 17, 2010 at 2:45 pm
    F*ck you Christine O`Donnell!

    ...

    I have to go wash my hands now.
  35. Profile photo of han5nah
    han5nah Female 13-17
    735 posts
    September 17, 2010 at 2:47 pm
    send me to hell.
  36. Profile photo of panth753
    panth753 Female 18-29
    9241 posts
    September 17, 2010 at 2:49 pm
    Is it okay to say that that I am both a Christian and a masturbator?
  37. Profile photo of heartx3jess
    heartx3jess Female 18-29
    1578 posts
    September 17, 2010 at 2:58 pm
    Quick! Everyone fap to this video!
  38. Profile photo of citizen_kane
    citizen_kane Male 18-29
    272 posts
    September 17, 2010 at 3:03 pm
    i can almost taste the sexual frustration
  39. Profile photo of CodeJockey
    CodeJockey Male 40-49
    5611 posts
    September 17, 2010 at 3:09 pm
    "...then why am I in the picture?"
    Only if you guilt trip him into thinking
    the religious concept of marriage has something
    to do with reality.
    So far, you aren`t in anyone`s picture, are you?

    Is it that she`s in the closet or she`s yet to meet
    anyone who wants to be tied to that large a guilt trip?

    Achievement: Spinsterism!
  40. Profile photo of BobbyJenkins
    BobbyJenkins Female 18-29
    106 posts
    September 17, 2010 at 3:12 pm
    That is unnatural sexual repression. That it is wrong to make yourself feel good in your own privacy of your home. You know that if men couldn`t masturbate how much more rape would probably happen? Also if men don`t masturbate, they are more likely to have wet dreams as it is unhealthy for guys not to `clean the pipes` as it was so the body steps in and does it for you. Biological proof that O`Donnell is talkin poopy crap.
  41. Profile photo of Volsunga
    Volsunga Male 18-29
    1548 posts
    September 17, 2010 at 3:13 pm
    "... then why am I in the picture"

    Somebody has some self-esteem issues thinking my hand is better than your vagina. Although, with you, it might be...
  42. Profile photo of BobbyJenkins
    BobbyJenkins Female 18-29
    106 posts
    September 17, 2010 at 3:14 pm
    As for the woman perspective. If women couldn`t masturbate then they wouldn`t be able to learn what makes them feel good, and in turn teach their husbands how to pleasure them. And in turn improving their married sex life and improving their marriage. Which is what we`re aiming for. She is retarded.
  43. Profile photo of Geogypsy
    Geogypsy Female 18-29
    2546 posts
    September 17, 2010 at 3:18 pm
    Is she speaking in tongues? Because I either didn`t understand her spoken word or don`t have the intellectual capacity to grasp these foreign concepts
  44. Profile photo of broizfam
    broizfam Male 60-69
    4856 posts
    September 17, 2010 at 3:19 pm
    @heartx3jess,
    Done and gone!
  45. Profile photo of Angelmassb
    Angelmassb Male 18-29
    15511 posts
    September 17, 2010 at 3:22 pm
    Salt? really? and girl speaking at 0:54 mark looks like she is really into weird stuff
  46. Profile photo of Selous
    Selous Male 30-39
    1197 posts
    September 17, 2010 at 3:22 pm
    i think she touches herself in the bad places
  47. Profile photo of ElMustache
    ElMustache Male 18-29
    1625 posts
    September 17, 2010 at 3:23 pm
    "Then why am I in the picture?" Well, going off of her precious bible, it`s to be subservient to your husband. And make him delicious sandwiches and pop out babies. That`s about all.
  48. Profile photo of RoboPatton
    RoboPatton Male 30-39
    2424 posts
    September 17, 2010 at 3:24 pm

    I almost started fapping, then I saw and heard Rachel Maddow. I almost fapped to a guy, it was really close there.
  49. Profile photo of Angelmassb
    Angelmassb Male 18-29
    15511 posts
    September 17, 2010 at 3:25 pm
    Salt? really? and girl speaking at 0:54 mark looks like she is really into weird stuff
  50. Profile photo of samidoll
    samidoll Female 18-29
    615 posts
    September 17, 2010 at 3:27 pm
    she was looking at that youth pastor at 1:03 with some pretty lustful eyes.

    i bet she masterbates.
  51. Profile photo of Fatninja01
    Fatninja01 Male 30-39
    25420 posts
    September 17, 2010 at 3:31 pm
    Resist the temptation
  52. Profile photo of Crucible
    Crucible Male 18-29
    1815 posts
    September 17, 2010 at 3:33 pm
    I LOVE TO TOUCH MY PENIS
  53. Profile photo of GhettoNinja
    GhettoNinja Male 30-39
    886 posts
    September 17, 2010 at 3:39 pm
    I masturbated to that video:D


    no no no...I didn`t...but I bet someone did
  54. Profile photo of TheTrees
    TheTrees Male 13-17
    258 posts
    September 17, 2010 at 3:41 pm
    Somebody`s in denial
  55. Profile photo of ScottSerious
    ScottSerious Male 18-29
    5316 posts
    September 17, 2010 at 3:41 pm
    looks like i`m going to hell. see you all there :)
  56. Profile photo of nrg70
    nrg70 Male 30-39
    121 posts
    September 17, 2010 at 3:42 pm
    OMG!! If God didn`t want us to masterbate then he wouldnt`ve made our arms long enough!! C`mon Christine, I`m only using your own logic against you. We`re all made in God`s image..... of him knuckle shuffling while he was on his day off!!
  57. Profile photo of Ani187
    Ani187 Female 30-39
    4448 posts
    September 17, 2010 at 3:48 pm
    I wasn`t really in the mood, but now I`m going to do it out of spite.
  58. Profile photo of IssaTheFiend
    IssaTheFiend Female 18-29
    2353 posts
    September 17, 2010 at 3:54 pm
    Too late for me!

    Also that is some BS campaigning right there.

  59. Profile photo of ichcomme
    ichcomme Male 18-29
    5 posts
    September 17, 2010 at 3:58 pm
    Haha, the guys name was Hitchcock
  60. Profile photo of GhettoNinja
    GhettoNinja Male 30-39
    886 posts
    September 17, 2010 at 3:59 pm
    I live in Delaware:(

    We are always among the leaders in teen pregnancy and intravenous drug use.

    I think people here would be better off if they stayed home and masturbated instead of impregnating teens and doing drugs.

    IN FACT

    I say we have handjobs for needles exchange program to show those smack heads how to fap again=D
  61. Profile photo of PopsySoku
    PopsySoku Female 18-29
    388 posts
    September 17, 2010 at 4:04 pm
    Oooppssssssieees :D
  62. Profile photo of thubanstar
    thubanstar Female 50-59
    822 posts
    September 17, 2010 at 4:09 pm
    Wow, and she won the election... heaven help us.
  63. Profile photo of apermal
    apermal Male 18-29
    322 posts
    September 17, 2010 at 4:13 pm
    Anyone else lol at the black guy who conveniently `mistakenly` walks into the background at 00:45?

    Also, I like how the newscaster in the start introduces it like a new Osama video :P
  64. Profile photo of Zaokii
    Zaokii Female 18-29
    78 posts
    September 17, 2010 at 4:23 pm
    Definitely with Ani187 on this one.
  65. Profile photo of lilsheep
    lilsheep Male 18-29
    225 posts
    September 17, 2010 at 4:33 pm
    lol ur purpose is to please
  66. Profile photo of gorgack2000
    gorgack2000 Male 13-17
    4682 posts
    September 17, 2010 at 4:35 pm

    GET FAPPING MEN (and some women of course).

    Also this is the worst thing I`ve ever created with photoshop. Which is definitely saying something.
  67. Profile photo of Krowley
    Krowley Male 30-39
    696 posts
    September 17, 2010 at 4:43 pm
    Wow. Apparently I`m a big ol` sinner.

    Sound off fellow sinners!
  68. Profile photo of RoboPatton
    RoboPatton Male 30-39
    2424 posts
    September 17, 2010 at 4:54 pm
    Fap Wars: A new hope
  69. Profile photo of Almighty_Jew
    Almighty_Jew Male 18-29
    103 posts
    September 17, 2010 at 5:05 pm
    Oh look at me, I`m a self-righteous mean person that`s just pushing her own religious ideals on people who don`t want anything to do with them.
  70. Profile photo of Almighty_Jew
    Almighty_Jew Male 18-29
    103 posts
    September 17, 2010 at 5:06 pm
    and by "mean person", I meant "c u n t"
  71. Profile photo of GeniusSolar
    GeniusSolar Male 13-17
    158 posts
    September 17, 2010 at 5:11 pm
    And that is why I`m agnostic.
  72. Profile photo of helix25
    helix25 Male 18-29
    165 posts
    September 17, 2010 at 5:37 pm
    And why did god give us the ability to masturbate? as well as women? the videos also end with "if HE already knows how to pleasure himself", what about SHE? the bible mentions nothing about masturbation and don`t bring up Onan who did not masturbate.
  73. Profile photo of Originalform
    Originalform Male 30-39
    292 posts
    September 17, 2010 at 5:40 pm
    Just another guilt inducing tactic
  74. Profile photo of Brassbull
    Brassbull Male 30-39
    1610 posts
    September 17, 2010 at 5:50 pm
    "If you`re gonna please yourself then why am I in the picture"

    Because to you sex seems to be the only reason two people would get into a relationship....you self-hating nympho
  75. Profile photo of SephirothA83
    SephirothA83 Male 18-29
    955 posts
    September 17, 2010 at 6:08 pm
    lolololololol
  76. Profile photo of duffytoler
    duffytoler Male 40-49
    5195 posts
    September 17, 2010 at 6:21 pm
    Nobody can stand me. What the %&#@! ELSE am I suppose to do???
  77. Profile photo of goaliejerry
    goaliejerry Male 30-39
    4017 posts
    September 17, 2010 at 6:35 pm
    The BEST part of her story is that she found Jesus by being an admitted slut-bag in college. O`Donnell Rides Penis, Finds Jesus

    She gets wasted repeatedly and takes crazy amounts of dick then tells me not to touch mine....oooookkkkkk.

    Oh, and she lied in a 2005 lawsuit about having a college degree, when in fact she did not, and in fact she did not obtain her degree until THIS YEAR after finishing one last class. And there are other, insane lies as well documented in the link and elsewhere.

    Vote TEA PARTY (but keep your hands off your balls, oh, and please don`t use the google to verify what I say).


    Ahhhh I love how the world works sometimes...
  78. Profile photo of MrsPoods
    MrsPoods Female 18-29
    547 posts
    September 17, 2010 at 6:52 pm
    We`re all done for, IAB....
  79. Profile photo of SiggyZtar
    SiggyZtar Male 18-29
    56 posts
    September 17, 2010 at 6:55 pm
    There`s a "New adventures of old Christine" joke here somewhere... And she looks a bit like Dreyfuss as well!
  80. Profile photo of Angelmassb
    Angelmassb Male 18-29
    15511 posts
    September 17, 2010 at 7:10 pm
    So in other words... God doesnt wants you to masturbate, he wants you to have real sex
  81. Profile photo of Vligon
    Vligon Male 18-29
    594 posts
    September 17, 2010 at 7:57 pm
    Nice.
  82. Profile photo of fiizok
    fiizok Male 40-49
    591 posts
    September 17, 2010 at 8:04 pm
    She`s the perfect representative for the TeaTards: extremely stupid, a compulsive liar, and quite possibly insane. Check out this O`Donnell quote from 2007: "American scientific companies are cross-breeding humans and animals and coming up with mice with fully functioning human brains."
  83. Profile photo of lllBorislll
    lllBorislll Male 18-29
    443 posts
    September 17, 2010 at 8:14 pm
    LOL, well, not only do i not believe in god.. I masterbate, have sex, smoke weed and probably any other sin you can think of... If there is a god... I`m drated... but then again if god gave you these sexual feelings, he gave us the right tools to fix it ourselves... other then to run to vegas, get married, drat that night, then get a divorce the next day... HA religion is funny
  84. Profile photo of tridirk
    tridirk Male 50-59
    313 posts
    September 17, 2010 at 8:21 pm
    Intolerant people are idiots.... On both sides of this issue don`t you think?

    Don`t most of you believe in freedom of expression and sexuality? Or does it just have to coincide with your own?
  85. Profile photo of Lawviz
    Lawviz Male 18-29
    429 posts
    September 17, 2010 at 8:25 pm
    At :44 you can sing along with Dr. Evil =D
    Also, answer to the last question...to make me dinner}-)
  86. Profile photo of patticakes
    patticakes Female 18-29
    463 posts
    September 17, 2010 at 8:43 pm
    That was 14 years ago. Unless she`s a knuckle dragging group think liberal she will have evolved from that point of view by today. All you libs out there, what ever happened to diversity of belief? Or is that only for things that you agree with>
  87. Profile photo of Wizard77
    Wizard77 Male 40-49
    582 posts
    September 17, 2010 at 8:48 pm
    Wow. So the big bash on this chick is that she said some uninformed stuff about masturbating back in the 80s? Seriously?

    Honestly though, who cares what some teenager has to say about sexuality or anything else?

    Pretty sad.
  88. Profile photo of Wizard77
    Wizard77 Male 40-49
    582 posts
    September 17, 2010 at 8:50 pm
    ...and yes patticakes, that is pretty much the deal.
  89. Profile photo of eldavo22
    eldavo22 Male 18-29
    25 posts
    September 17, 2010 at 9:01 pm
    soooo it`s wrong that I fapped to this then right?
  90. Profile photo of im_smart
    im_smart Male 18-29
    99 posts
    September 17, 2010 at 9:02 pm
    re: caption

    had*, at least
  91. Profile photo of shadowarrior
    shadowarrior Male 18-29
    226 posts
    September 17, 2010 at 9:16 pm
    She`s hot.
  92. Profile photo of moefreak
    moefreak Female 18-29
    1963 posts
    September 17, 2010 at 9:25 pm
    I should butter my clam to this just to spite her.
  93. Profile photo of Ogen
    Ogen Male 18-29
    441 posts
    September 17, 2010 at 9:36 pm
    You`re in the picture because that`s the picture he is masturbating to.

    Seriously though... does she still have this belief?
  94. Profile photo of Ogen
    Ogen Male 18-29
    441 posts
    September 17, 2010 at 9:40 pm
    @patticakes I don`t think people are generally worried about her views on masturbation. I think more-so they are worried because this is a super insane Christian viewpoint to take. A tree may change its leaves with the seasons but not its roots.
  95. Profile photo of HalfPintRoo
    HalfPintRoo Female 18-29
    2765 posts
    September 17, 2010 at 9:51 pm
    Oh come on, we were all young and stupid once... even more so if you were a college student...
  96. Profile photo of miraclewik
    miraclewik Female 18-29
    320 posts
    September 17, 2010 at 9:56 pm
    You can`t masturbate without lust?

    I sometimes masturbate in bed for the sole purpose of keeping warm....
  97. Profile photo of Piperquinn
    Piperquinn Female 13-17
    43 posts
    September 17, 2010 at 10:07 pm
    WAS THAT JOHN TRAVOLTA????

    15 years later... She probably doesn`t remember what purity means
  98. Profile photo of EdiMesic
    EdiMesic Male 18-29
    594 posts
    September 17, 2010 at 10:16 pm
    I want to work my evil magic on that Todd Hitchcock and make him want to hitch his rooster.

    How I love to break people like that.
  99. Profile photo of EdiMesic
    EdiMesic Male 18-29
    594 posts
    September 17, 2010 at 10:17 pm
    @ Moefreak: Hahaha, yes you should!

    So will I! Let`s do this.
  100. Profile photo of graphfix
    graphfix Male 13-17
    109 posts
    September 17, 2010 at 10:40 pm
    so funny, especially the part when she said that you can`t masturbate without lust. :| so does wet dreams count?
  101. Profile photo of Gerry1of1
    Gerry1of1 Male 50-59
    36697 posts
    September 17, 2010 at 10:44 pm
    wow.. I`ll be she`s a hot lay

    no masturbation... probably no oral.... missionary only and with a sheet between you with a hole cut in it
  102. Profile photo of Somehowfunny
    Somehowfunny Female 18-29
    40 posts
    September 17, 2010 at 11:18 pm
    @Gerry1of1
    Oh yeah, I am sooo hot thinking about that Hasidic action right now!! LMAO!!!
  103. Profile photo of
    Northernwolf
    304 posts
    September 17, 2010 at 11:34 pm
    Fap Fap Fap!
  104. Profile photo of Karimento
    Karimento Male 30-39
    140 posts
    September 18, 2010 at 12:01 am
    And latest information regarding men and masturbation.
    You need to masturbate at least 20 times a month, to avoid getting prostate cancer.
  105. Profile photo of davymid
    davymid Male 30-39
    12140 posts
    September 18, 2010 at 12:16 am
    I get a huge kick out of how this rabid, salivating advocate of Christian Moral Values and sexual abstinence (even to the point of declaring fapping being a sin in the eyes of GOD), learned her lessons about sexual morality from repeatedly getting wasted and taking in vast volumes and varieties of c*ck in her college days.

    Oh Tea-Partying Republicans, where would we get our laughs without you? The irony is glorious, it really is.

    (sorry for stealing your link GJ, think of it as a bump).
  106. Profile photo of CrakrJak
    CrakrJak Male 40-49
    17514 posts
    September 18, 2010 at 12:27 am
    Davy: I believe that " repeatedly getting wasted and taking in vast volumes and varieties of c*ck in college. " statement is not only exaggeration but fabrication as well. It was a `turning point` story, But you likened it to an orgy. Not nice Davy.

  107. Profile photo of RoboPatton
    RoboPatton Male 30-39
    2424 posts
    September 18, 2010 at 12:31 am
    what if you make your arm fall asleep first? Then it`s not like you really did it, right?
  108. Profile photo of CrakrJak
    CrakrJak Male 40-49
    17514 posts
    September 18, 2010 at 12:36 am
    This whole title is wrong, Even in that chopped up edited video, She doesn`t say she wants it banned or made illegal. She`s only stating her own moral values and not forcing them on others.
  109. Profile photo of Wizard77
    Wizard77 Male 40-49
    582 posts
    September 18, 2010 at 12:37 am
    davymid said- "Oh Tea-Partying Republicans, where would we get our laughs without you?"

    Dude you are like not even a USA citizen. What do you care? I`m not busting on you, just asking how the tea party or the progressives or any US politics interest you.

    Not a set-up or anything.
  110. Profile photo of davymid
    davymid Male 30-39
    12140 posts
    September 18, 2010 at 12:43 am
    Davy: I believe that " repeatedly getting wasted and taking in vast volumes and varieties of c*ck in college." statement is not only exaggeration but fabrication as well. It was a `turning point` story, But you likened it to an orgy. Not nice Davy.
    Fair point Crakr, I take it back. I just get rankled some when human morality and and extreme sexual abstinence (seriously, I`m not even allowed to touch myself?) is preached to me by either:

    a) Catholic priests who have never, and will never have sex. Won`t go there with point a2.

    b) Some chick who was admittedly sexually promiscuous during her college days.
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    PoopNoodle Male 40-49
    400 posts
    September 18, 2010 at 12:50 am
    If God didn`t want me to touch it, he wouldn`t have put it in a place where I could reach it. Now, I`m off to see if I can find some naked pictures of this lady somewhere.
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    CrakrJak Male 40-49
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    September 18, 2010 at 12:53 am
    davy: I believe this was aimed at kids/teenagers as part of an `abstinence only` point of view. Actually it sounded like the beginnings of the `Purity Ring` concept, But it was so chopped up it was hard to tell.

    I don`t agree with that approach completely, But it was aimed at deterring teen pregnancy, Not at adults.
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    davymid Male 30-39
    12140 posts
    September 18, 2010 at 12:57 am
    Dude you are like not even a USA citizen. What do you care? I`m not busting on you, just asking how the tea party or the progressives or any US politics interest you.
    Wizard, you`re clearly a smart dude, and I respect that. You had a wrong impression that I didn`t respect your opinion on a post many weeks ago, I can assure you the opposite is the case. And I`m not trying to score any points here, sincerely. Crakr will (I hope) back me up that I respect different opinions, as much as I may disagree with them.

    You say that I`m not a US Citizen, what do I care. But the US is worth watching, you guys are the world leaders.
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    davymid Male 30-39
    12140 posts
    September 18, 2010 at 12:57 am
    Look, I`m British, our guys and gals are getting killed in Afghanistan and Iraq just the same as American servicemen and women are (and full, utmost respect to all of them, no flames here).

    You`re familiar with the saying "America catches a cold, we all get sick?" Just look at the stock market, or Iraq, or whatever.

    Man, I spend a lot of time in the Middle East and North Africa as part of my job. And *I* am less safe there as a British Citizen, with a condemning passport in my pocket which may at any point see me chained to a radiator for several years, just because Britain is an Ally of the US.
    While back at home I have a wife and a 4-year old daughter.

    Dude, please appreciate why I personally care so much about US Foreign Policy. It affects us all, and it affects us all deeply. That`s all I`m saying.
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    CrakrJak Male 40-49
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    September 18, 2010 at 1:09 am
    Davy: It was also stated earlier that America is not under threat of muslim occupation, Which is true for now. But I do see the current immigration trends into Europe as alarming. Source

    That is one of the many reasons I`m interested in what happens in Europe, Like it or not we are more globally tied together now than ever before.
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    Wizard77 Male 40-49
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    September 18, 2010 at 1:14 am
    I have trained side by side with the Princess Patricia`s Canadian Infantry in the 90s as well as served next to the Queen`s Royal Lancers in Beirut. Proper respect to our cousins. But seriously man, some dumbass college girl running her ignorant mouth in the 80s about workin` it equates to "US Foreign Policy" stuff?

    Come on man. I have grown to expect more solid stuff from you.

    But I can see how the name "Tea Party" would tent to rub the British the wrong way. :P

    Anyway. Don`t hate. Masturbate!

    Skeet! SKEET! SKEEEEET!
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    Wizard77 Male 40-49
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    September 18, 2010 at 1:18 am
    *tend
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    davymid Male 30-39
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    September 18, 2010 at 1:18 am
    vv Crakr, respectfully agreed, on one condition. That you visit Europe. I would genuinely welcome the opportunity to show you around Amsterdam, or Berlin, London, or Paris, as a friend. I assure you, they are not the hotbeds of Sharia Law that you think they are.

    There`s something to be said for travel broadening the mind. You`d be surprised, sincerely.
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    davymid Male 30-39
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    September 18, 2010 at 1:24 am
    Come on man. I have grown to expect more solid stuff from you.
    Man, sorry if I`m disappointing you. Tell me, what should I be saying?
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    kcpd2050 Male 40-49
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    September 18, 2010 at 1:27 am
    I spanked my monkey to this video.
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    Wizard77 Male 40-49
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    September 18, 2010 at 1:36 am
    davymid said- "Tell me, what should I be saying?"

    Its not even like that man. You may have noticed that I say stuff now and then just to get people all pissed off. Its just button pushing (except for ugly people. Or anyone with a prosthetic thumb. They can go to hell. They can go to hell and DIE!) for fun. But you are one of the few that I will actually take seriously if we do start a debate.

    As I said, it wasn`t a set-up. Just curious. Look, I live here and I don`t care what she thinks about, well, anything really. Just wondered what this obscure politician from a tiny, very low impact state meant to you.
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    davymid Male 30-39
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    September 18, 2010 at 1:56 am
    Wizard, I hear ya, yet I say this next post in the voice of Captain Jean-Luc Picard. And that post is:

    "Fascinating".
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    tro23 Male 18-29
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    September 18, 2010 at 2:00 am
    She needs a good fisting!
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    patticakes Female 18-29
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    September 18, 2010 at 3:09 am
    This was a response to Dr. Elders, the Surgeon General, who in the 90`s, was promoting masturbation and had to step down.
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    draino123 Male 30-39
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    September 18, 2010 at 3:11 am
    "if he pleases himself, then why am i in the picture?" to make him a sammitch
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    SvampeBob Male 18-29
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    September 18, 2010 at 3:33 am
    Oh damn now i know for sure that I`m going to hell.
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    Blutdurstig Female 18-29
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    September 18, 2010 at 4:15 am
    Holy LOL @ draino
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    JJXanadu Male 30-39
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    September 18, 2010 at 4:15 am
    "You need to masturbate at least 20 times a month, to avoid getting prostate cancer."

    This is the reason that I do it. Oh, and because it`s drating awesome.
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    Yadarfyn Female 18-29
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    September 18, 2010 at 4:25 am
    Wow. She`s an idiot.
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    RecycleElf Male 18-29
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    September 18, 2010 at 5:35 am
    hahahahahahahahahahahaha what a douchebag
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    Micktrex Male 18-29
    141 posts
    September 18, 2010 at 5:40 am
    Oh lighten up. Get laid.
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    KPres Male 30-39
    309 posts
    September 18, 2010 at 5:55 am
    Big deal, Barack Obama was a communist in his early 20s. Most young people go through some stupid phases.

    Here`s what O`Donnell said recently about this...

    "I was in my 20s and very excited and passionate about my newfound faith. But I can assure you, my faith has matured, and when I go to Washington, D.C., it`ll be the Constitution on which I base all of my decisions, not my personal beliefs."


    Here`s what she thinks NOW (which is all that matters)...

    "Asked about what the proper role of government should be in sexual matters during a two-hour candidate forum sponsored by The Jewish Federation, O`Donnell echoed the sentiment of one audience member, who shouted, `It`s personal.....I agree with you; it`s personal. When I go to Washington, D.C., the litmus test by which I cast my vote for every piece of legislation that comes across my desk will be whether or not it is constitutional.`"
  133. Profile photo of CrakrJak
    CrakrJak Male 40-49
    17514 posts
    September 18, 2010 at 5:58 am
    Actually the only mention of `masturbation` in the bible was the story of Onan, Thus the term Onanism.

    The story goes that God told Onan to marry his dead brother`s (Er) wife (Tamar) and have children with her. However Onan disobeyed God and essentially `pulled out` and spilled his seed on the ground. God was angry with Onan for disobeying him and killed him.

    This story has been used, By many Preachers, Priest, and Pastors as proof of God`s disapproval of masturbation.

    The problem with that is, God killed Onan for his disobedience not the act of spilling his seed. Onan would`ve faced the same punishment if he hadn`t married Tamar or didn`t have sex with her at all.

    A famous Christian scholar Dr. James Dobson said that masterbation was not a sin and that he thought it could be a healthy thing for a single person to do to release sexual tension instead of fornicating.
  134. Profile photo of CodeJockey
    CodeJockey Male 40-49
    5611 posts
    September 18, 2010 at 6:23 am
    OK, now I think I`m getting the context of Rachel Maddow running the clip:
    She worked as part of an anti-masturbation/anti premarital sex campaign but,
    lives with a guy that has been paying her bills
    since at least late 2007.

    She worked for a conservative group which included
    anti-feminism campaigning yet, sued them for gender
    discrimination when she was demoted to subordinance
    of a person that had been her secretary and later
    fired.
    She claimed she was promised
    and denied assistance in getting a master`s from Princeton yet,
    wasn`t eligible to attend because she didn`t have
    the degree she told them she had.

    She claimed she wasn`t being sued by her mortgagors yet,
    sold her house only a short time before it was to be
    auctioned by the Sheriff`s Office (minimum 3 month process.)

    I get this: She decided to run for office BECAUSE she needs a job.
    Next week: Tommy Chong`s new anti-drug campaign...
  135. Profile photo of CodeJockey
    CodeJockey Male 40-49
    5611 posts
    September 18, 2010 at 6:28 am
    "This story has been used, By many Preachers, Priest, and Pastors as proof of God`s disapproval of masturbation."
    And is the basis for the Catholic Church`s stance on birth control.
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    almightybob1 Male 18-29
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    September 18, 2010 at 7:16 am
    LOL @ the last sentence. That is why people should masturbate, so they know how much more enjoyable sex is.
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    BBJellyFish Male 18-29
    550 posts
    September 18, 2010 at 7:55 am
    How can you worry about such petty bullpoo. Why don`t you make a Building 7 / 9/11 Informational Campaign. Or try and prevent kids from having sex and getting pregnant at a young age. Not masturbating.

    Masturbating keeps motha drata`s SANE.
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    angelo0317 Male 18-29
    331 posts
    September 18, 2010 at 9:21 am
    Last question in the video: "Then why am I in the picture?"

    To make me a FREAKING SAMMICH BEACH!
  139. Profile photo of Karakara
    Karakara Female 18-29
    30 posts
    September 18, 2010 at 9:23 am
    I think they need to read the bible a bit more closely.

    That said, that clip is hella old. People change. Not that I`d vote for her anyway, but I hope she`s thought this over since then.
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    idiotfilter Male 18-29
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    September 18, 2010 at 10:19 am
    the bible also says women shouldn`t talk unless spoken too....

    time for hell beyotch!
  141. Profile photo of CrakrJak
    CrakrJak Male 40-49
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    September 18, 2010 at 11:25 am
    CodeJockey: As I pointed out, That`s not a belief all Christians have and Dr. Dobson is very well respected pastor.
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    Ripper398 Male 18-29
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    September 18, 2010 at 11:26 am
    I`mma tie her to a chair and jerk off in her face! Mwahahahahaha! My evil plan will cum.. I mean come.. to be!
  143. Profile photo of jtrebowski
    jtrebowski Male 40-49
    3359 posts
    September 18, 2010 at 12:14 pm
    Why do Conservatives always think they have a right to tell oither people how to live? Feckin mouth-breathers.
  144. Profile photo of CrakrJak
    CrakrJak Male 40-49
    17514 posts
    September 18, 2010 at 12:21 pm
    Do you believe that conservatives hold the monopoly on `Telling people how to live ?`.

    Might I remind you it was Tipper Gore that made mandatory the ratings on games and music cds. That it`s the liberals pushing `No Smoking`, `No Trans Fats`, `No Meat`, and `No Soda` on everyone. So go stuff it.
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    nny156 Male 18-29
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    September 18, 2010 at 12:33 pm
    people like this need to be euthanized at birth
  146. Profile photo of Somehowfunny
    Somehowfunny Female 18-29
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    September 18, 2010 at 12:58 pm
    It`s a sad state of affairs when you are going to elect someone who once said that touching the naughty bits (the only thing that kept me sane in high school I firmly believe) is the same as boffing someone in a nasty hotel room by the interstate.

    Yes, America does need a political turn-around back to what is Constitutional and what is not, but not by people who will be doing it for a white Christian country. I hate to invoke one of Godwin`s rules but....

    There was another type of government that was a corporate conservative socialist, that`s right, the Nazis. In fact, every bit of drivel we are hearing from the Tea Party is nearly the same that was used to whip Germany in to the Nazi state it became.

    Don`t believe me?

    Go look it up. Germany was suffering under great economic strain. Hitler promised that he would restore Germany to it`s former glory. Everyone would have jobs, food and homes....

    Can you see where this is headed in the State
  147. Profile photo of Trumple07
    Trumple07 Male 13-17
    422 posts
    September 18, 2010 at 1:06 pm
    Why do americans use `softie` words?
    I mean like when she said "you know what-ing"
    I also hear "poopy" alot....is the word masturbating too offensive? :S
  148. Profile photo of CoffeeTalk
    CoffeeTalk Male 40-49
    193 posts
    September 18, 2010 at 1:13 pm
    Q: Then why is she in the picture?
    A: To jerk off to!
  149. Profile photo of ShamaziaV2
    ShamaziaV2 Male 13-17
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    September 18, 2010 at 1:37 pm
    @somehowfunny so the tea party is like the nazi party because they both talked about restoring their respective countries to their former glory..?
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    Somehowfunny Female 18-29
    40 posts
    September 18, 2010 at 1:51 pm
    @ShamaziaV2 No, but they are both radical movements that are intolerant of dissenters, attempt to blind the public with moral rhetoric, and use inflammatory speeches and speakers to induce frenzy in the body politic. Oh, and the spokesperson is a political uneducated orator who has a great deal of charisma but no real world experiences

    And that`s just examining the public front of both organizations.

    I am simply comparing the methods used by the National Socialistic Party and ones being used by the Tea Party and remarking how very similar they are.

    We saw what happened the last time corporate conservatives took over a world power...I really have no wish to live in that kind of place. People like be get their heads shoved in little black bags and are never heard from again.
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    Solvent Male 18-29
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    September 18, 2010 at 2:03 pm
    There are two types of people that don`t fap: Those that don`t know how and those who have no idea what they are missing.
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    Cajun247 Male 18-29
    10732 posts
    September 18, 2010 at 2:04 pm
    We should tell our children about masturbation.
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    DixxyRarr Female 18-29
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    September 18, 2010 at 2:08 pm
    If loving myself is wrong... I don`t wanna be right :)
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    sirryan1 Male 30-39
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    September 18, 2010 at 2:30 pm
    I just fapped to this.
  155. Profile photo of CrakrJak
    CrakrJak Male 40-49
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    September 18, 2010 at 3:31 pm
    Somehowfunny: In fact, every bit of drivel we are hearing from the Tea Party is nearly the same that was used to whip Germany in to the Nazi state it became.

    Total baloney, I don`t see anyone saying in the Tea Party that `Jews` or any other group should be `eliminated`. Part and parcel to the National Socialist party propaganda was eugenics and socialism, Not capitalism. Hitler preached of a perfect world, a `Utopia` free of competition, With total gun control, Free health care, and government control over production.

    Your accusations aim is way way off. You need to pointing a lot more to the left.
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    agentsarahja Female 30-39
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    September 18, 2010 at 4:02 pm
    *sigh* I am so glad I am not a fundie anymore. I like fapping - it kept me sane and happy when I was single. Selfish? yeah, no more so than eating when I need a meal or taking a bath when I am dirty. There are times and places when its inappropriate but fapping in and of itself is a good thing. To paraphrase Woody Allen, "It`s sex with someone I love"
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    Somehowfunny Female 18-29
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    September 18, 2010 at 4:58 pm
    @CrakrJak Ummm...ethnic cleansing didn`t start until they gained power. Repeat after me: It didn`t start until AFTER they gained power.

    In the beginning it was about restoring pride and economic stability to Germany. Hmmmm....sound familiar? It should.

    I am comparing the METHODS used by both sides. And some of the spoken ideology. Dictators across the world have used these to strip directionless and economical despondent people of their freedoms.

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    a1butcher Male 40-49
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    September 18, 2010 at 5:22 pm
    Is it wrong to be Fapping to this video?
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    CrakrJak Male 40-49
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    September 18, 2010 at 6:41 pm
    Somehowfunny: Mein Kampf was written well before Hitler took power, in 1925. So don`t be disingenuous, People knew what Hitler stood for before he was elected. The worst dictators in world history have came from Socialist & Communist ideologies. Stalin, Mao, Hitler, Mussolini, Pol Pot, Fidel Castro, Hugo Chavez and others.

    You speak in generalizations, But can`t point to specifics, That`s the hallmark of liberal bullcrap.

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    vkdee Female 30-39
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    September 18, 2010 at 7:50 pm
    The Bible this and the Bible that....I get tired of all this BS.
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    GTrain Male 18-29
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    September 18, 2010 at 7:57 pm
    I just totally spoonted.
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    _Darling_ Female 18-29
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    September 18, 2010 at 8:37 pm
    She`s kinda pretty. If you mute her, this video is useful again.
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    IamBored29 Male 18-29
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    September 18, 2010 at 8:50 pm
    Oh look, a political link about a conservative and CrakrJak monoploizes the comment section blaming "liberals" for the worlds problems......color me shocked.
  164. Profile photo of davymid
    davymid Male 30-39
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    September 18, 2010 at 8:57 pm
    "The worst dictators in world history have came from Socialist & Communist ideologies. Stalin, Mao, Hitler, Mussolini, Pol Pot, Fidel Castro, Hugo Chavez and others."

    Woah there crakrjak. Not agreeing with Somehowfunny here, but Hitler and Mussolini? They were absolutely, unrepentently Fascists, which is EXTREME RIGHT WING, on the polar opposite end of the scale from left-wing politics such socialism and communism. In a very simplified nutshell from left to right:

    Communism < Socialism < Centrism > Conservatism > Fascism.

    Or in more complete form (Pournell 1963)



    The others I`ll give you, but to paint Fascism/Nazism as left-wing political regimes is simply incorrect. I`m afraid those particular ideologies are firmly on the right hand side of the political spectrum, and are much closer to conservatism than socialism.
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    Somehowfunny Female 18-29
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    September 18, 2010 at 10:33 pm
    @davymid Even if you don`t agree, thank you for helping with that graph.

    I have been pointing out that the Tea Party is leaning TOO far right. It`s a shame that the Tea Party movement has gone that way...3 years ago it was a good thing...but the wrong kind of backers have become involved and it`s turned into yet another big business venture. Thus the oft repeated phrase "corporate conservatives".
  166. Profile photo of CrakrJak
    CrakrJak Male 40-49
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    September 18, 2010 at 11:06 pm
    davymid: I find that belief that conservatism leads to fascism is totally false. Fascism is about authority vs. Anarchism which is about no authority.



    The Nazis were all for more government control, Not less. American conservatives want less government control.

    I noticed your graph`s top right corner is labeled `Dangerous But Good`, Which shows it`s bias toward socialism right there.
  167. Profile photo of davymid
    davymid Male 30-39
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    September 18, 2010 at 11:21 pm
    davymid: I find that belief that conservatism leads to fascism is totally false. Fascism is about authority vs. Anarchism which is about no authority.
    Never said that conservatism leads to fascism, even went so far as to disagree with Somehowfunny. You`re confusing the two axes of the graph (yes, including yours).

    Conservatism > fascism is about increasing statism and moving further to the right. Socialism > Communism is about increasing statism and moving further to the left.

    Again, I speak of the left-to-right political spectrum. Communism is diametrically opposed to Fascism. Just as socialism is (more moderately) diametrically opposed to conservatism.

    Just pointing out that your labelling the fascist regimes of the axis that brought about WWII somehow as left-wing ideologies, is uninformedly wrong at best, and disingenuous at worst. Those regimes were on YOUR SIDE of the political spectrum Crakr.
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    davymid Male 30-39
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    September 18, 2010 at 11:22 pm
    I`ve admitted that the Stalins, Pol Pots and numerous others you pointed out were left-wing politics gone wrong, gone too far left. All I`m calling your bullsh*t on is that Hitler et al were firmly on your side of the political spectrum. Right-wing politics gone too far right.

    To call the Axis of WWII a left-wing regime is bullsh*t. I`m no political scientist, but you`ll find that most people who know what they`re talking about will tell you that fascism is an extreme right-wing political ideology.
  169. Profile photo of CrakrJak
    CrakrJak Male 40-49
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    September 18, 2010 at 11:26 pm
    The truth is even in the Nazi`s name, It means National Socialist party. More truth, They had total control over all factory production, They took all guns away from the public, They instituted universal health care, and spent money on huge government projects.

    It is clear the democratic party in this country is taking steps toward more and more control, And when their plans go awry They play the blame game, They`ve demonized religious conservatives and even atheists like you have said you`d like to see all religion end.

    Just how do want that to happen ? You want us put in re-education camps ? You want our churches town down and our books banned ?... Do you now see how close the liberal rhetoric is getting to fascism ?
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    SnapsForMe Female 18-29
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    September 18, 2010 at 11:36 pm
    If they wanted me not to masturbate after watching this video they should have picked a youth pastor that looks less like Luke Wilson.
  171. Profile photo of CrakrJak
    CrakrJak Male 40-49
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    September 18, 2010 at 11:41 pm
    Statism = Authority, Taking more government control.
    Libertarianism = Less Authority, More personal freedom/control.

    American conservatives Do Not Want more control, Period. Conservatives do not want to `roll back the clock` or go back to the racist, sexist, or elitist policies of the past.

    But since conservatives are being falsely blamed of that, Let`s take look at the actual history. Democrats coddled slavery, Democrats instituted `Jim Crow` laws, Democrats started the KKK, Democrats like Woodrow Wilson praised the movie `Birth of a nation`. Democrat Presidents FDR and Wilson both created racist interment camps. Democrats resisted womens suffrage.
  172. Profile photo of davymid
    davymid Male 30-39
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    September 18, 2010 at 11:44 pm
    Again Crakr, you`re confused. You speak of state control, libertarianism vs statism. That`s a separate argument. Look. The spectrum you`re talking about is the vertical axis, that of state control. You`re talking about (vertical scale):

    Anarchism < Libertarianism < Liberalism < Centrism > Capitalism > Police State > Autocracy.

    I`m talking about (horizontal scale):

    Communism < Socialism < Welfare State < Centrism > Conservatism > Extreme Conservatism > Fascism.

    Look, to associate "Liberals" with "Fascists" is frankly f*cking offensive. We have our Stalins and out Pol Pots. Why can`t you admit that on your side, your have your Hitlers and Mussolinis? They`re all asshats, but to sneakily and dishonestly claim they were on the left of the political spectrum kinda pisses me off, personally.

    Hint: Just cause they used the term "Socialist" in their agenda, don`t make it so.
  173. Profile photo of CrakrJak
    CrakrJak Male 40-49
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    September 18, 2010 at 11:54 pm
    To this day, Conservative blacks are slurred as being `Uncle Toms`, A reference that reaches back to the days of slavery. It`s shameful that conservative blacks are maligned and never shown in the media. They`d prefer they didn`t exist and try to portray that they don`t exist.

    Well they do, Like This Man.
  174. Profile photo of davymid
    davymid Male 30-39
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    September 19, 2010 at 12:01 am
    Democrats coddled slavery, Democrats instituted `Jim Crow` laws, Democrats started the KKK, Democrats like Woodrow Wilson praised the movie `Birth of a nation`. Democrat Presidents FDR and Wilson both created racist interment camps. Democrats resisted womens suffrage.
    You know what? You`re right. Slavery was all about the liberal democrat north vs the conservative south, the slave owners. And the liberals in the north were the ones advocating slavery, while the conservatives in the south were all against it.

    Whatever helps you sleep at night Crakr. I`m done here.
  175. Profile photo of davymid
    davymid Male 30-39
    12140 posts
    September 19, 2010 at 12:02 am
    Again Crakr, you`re confused. You speak of state control, libertarianism vs statism. That`s a separate argument. Look. The spectrum you`re talking about is the vertical axis, that of state control. You`re talking about (vertical scale):

    Anarchism < Libertarianism < Liberalism < Centrism > Capitalism > Police State > Autocracy.

    I`m talking about (horizontal scale):

    Communism < Socialism < Welfare State < Centrism > Conservatism > Extreme Conservatism > Fascism.

    Look, to associate "Liberals" with "Fascists" is frankly f*cking offensive. We have our Stalins and out Pol Pots. Why can`t you admit that on your side, your have your Hitlers and Mussolinis? They`re all asshats, but to sneakily and dishonestly claim they were on the left of the political spectrum kinda pisses me off, personally.

    Hint: Just cause they used the term "Socialist" in their agenda, don`t make it so.
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    CrakrJak Male 40-49
    17514 posts
    September 19, 2010 at 12:07 am
    davymid: They used the word `Socialist` in their name because it WAS SO. Nazis were NOT religious conservatives, Far from it actually.

    "In Germany they came first for the Communist, and I didn`t speak up because I wasn`t a Communist. Then they came for the Jews, and I didn`t speak up because I wasn`t a Jew. Then they came for the trade unionists, and I didn`t speak up because I wasn`t a trade unionist. Then they came for the Catholics, and I didn`t speak up because I was a Protestant. Then they came for me, and by that time no one was left to speak up." - Martin Niemoeller, Imprisoned by Hitler in 1938.

    Nazism was primarily about race supremacy and eugenics, But they used socialism to achieve their goals to take control of everything.

    To say today`s religious conservatives are even a stepping stone toward fascism or nazism is extremely offensive and patently wrong.
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    CrakrJak Male 40-49
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    September 19, 2010 at 12:10 am
    I haven`t delete anything, Is your anger toward me making you cross-eyed or something ?
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    CrakrJak Male 40-49
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    September 19, 2010 at 12:20 am
    davymid: You know what? You`re right. Slavery was all about the liberal democrat north vs the conservative south, the slave owners. And the liberals in the north were the ones advocating slavery, while the conservatives in the south were all against it.

    Wrong, Lincoln was Republican, Jefferson Davis was Democrat. The North were nearly all republicans, The south were democrats. There were Christians on both sides citing parts of the bible to support their position. It was not conservative vs. liberal, But if you want to go there the Democrats were for `States Rights` over the Federal Jurisdiction.

    Now let`s take a look at that in today`s headlines. There are people in California right now wanting to legalize marijuana citing `States rights` over Federal Jurisdiction, And they call themselves `Liberals`.
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    davymid Male 30-39
    12140 posts
    September 19, 2010 at 12:20 am
    Crakr, you`re so wrong that it hurts me. You see demons where there are none, enemies on all fronts. Political, religious, all you see is people that want to hurt you.

    I wish I could help you friend. Take a walk in the sunshine tomorrow. I`m no councillor, but I strongly suggest that you need help. You`re wounded, no harm in that.

    And no, I`m not angry. I have a beautiful wife and daughter that I love dearly. I have everything that I want. No anger here.
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    CrakrJak Male 40-49
    17514 posts
    September 19, 2010 at 12:32 am
    sorry, But I believe liberals have gotten away with the lie that fascism is `right wing` for way to long. It wasn`t right wing, It wasn`t conservative, It wasn`t religious (Although they did invent their own mythos)

    It was about Racism, Eugenics, and Authoritarianism through Socialist means. Yes, It`s different than Communism but not by much.

    Republicans and Democrats both fought side by side in WWII to end Nazism, To say Republicans should `admit that (Nazism) on your (Republican) side` is totally offensive.

    I`m not asking Democrats to take ownership of `Nazism`, But they have taken up the banner of socialism since the late 1960s and I find that to be dangerous.
  181. Profile photo of CrakrJak
    CrakrJak Male 40-49
    17514 posts
    September 19, 2010 at 12:59 am
    davymid: I`m not `wounded` or `see demons` or `all you see is people that want to hurt you.`

    I`m a keen observer and reader of History, I see the danger of people not learning from it and repeating past horrors. You would call that paranoia, I call it Wisdom.

    I could cite several books for you to read more about it, But I doubt you would read them.
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    66stang Male 18-29
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    September 19, 2010 at 2:39 am
    crakr just because you read it doesn`t make it true. And what you must remember about history is that it is written by the victors. As an example I point you to the Japanese, who in world war II committed more atrocious acts than the Germans, such as performing experimental surgery on patients without anesthesia, leaving infants in the cold to study frostbite, and spreading the BUBONIC plague in small Chinese towns. And the USA the VICTORS helped them to cover it up.
    And as for recommended reading I got some for you. How about the books that says the parties, news, religion, etc are all just outlets the government uses to make you focus on the differences and keep you from focusing on the real issues. It is a tactic used since the dawn of man, and you are a prime example that it still works. A prime example that the past horrors are repeating themselves, and you are helping orchestrate them. You say wisdom, I say the blind being led.
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    Essersmith Male 18-29
    275 posts
    September 19, 2010 at 4:12 am
    hahaha Crakrjak trolling is fun huh?

    Im not going to comment on the political situation in the US since i dont live there and its been too many years since i did. and i dont have an accurate feel on the topic anymore. But atleast have the courtesy to do the same. Dont speak of socialism when you or your contry know little to nothing of it (yes im generalizing but if you take offense then you are probably one of them too). What you experience in the US. is so far from socialism that its funny.
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    PierreJeanFR Male 40-49
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    September 19, 2010 at 5:18 am
    Crakrjak you will burn in hell for being a bad christian, and a troll.
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    CrakrJak Male 40-49
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    September 19, 2010 at 7:37 am
    66stang: I believe you`re so `open-minded` that your brains have fallen out, Especially If you are denying WWII history and trying to say it all a government plot, I`m betting you`re in the tin foil hat club.

    Essersmith: You don`t have to live in a socialist country to know what it is like. I`ve read from may authors, The struggles and limitations of peoples rights, That socialism imposes on people under that type of government.

    PierreJeanFR: You accuse me of trolling after that vile insult you just threw at me ? Physician heal thy self.
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    Essersmith Male 18-29
    275 posts
    September 19, 2010 at 8:12 am
    CrakrJak: did you read what i wrote? please do not comment on something you have no idea whats like. You continue to write about socialism and the only "socialism" you are describing is communism. so quit talking about something you have only read about.
    You are going to disagree but if what you know of socialism is imposing things on the population then ill be so bold as to claim that the US system is forcing large parts of your population into starvation and crime and religious extremes. in fact if Socialism imposes things on the population then i say the US is a socialistic country!...

    hah im sure you will flame me with plenty of texts, polls and what not. But live in canada or north europe/scandinavia for a few years and then tell me if you still believe these horrible things socialism stands for.

    Anyway i have no idea how this is relevant to a almost 20 year old anti fap comercial. Who cares what some quasi religious nutcase reads in the bible to
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    Discobiscuit Male 18-29
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    September 19, 2010 at 8:50 am
    WHAT IF GOD WAS ONE OF USSSS
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    davymid Male 30-39
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    September 19, 2010 at 8:52 am
    *sigh*

    Crakr, of all the mass-murdering political regimes that you mentioned, I freely admitted that most were left-wing, just pointing out that SOME (Hitler et al) were right wing. But that wasn`t enough for you, was it? You have to label literally every single historical act of abhorrent evil as being a slight perversion of liberal/socialilistic ideologies. And then you bleat about how my pointing out that SOME of those evil regimes were right-wing (lol at fascism being left-wing) is extremely offensive to you personally.

    Look, I`m a liberal, and lean toward socialism. And I find you labelling every political totalitarian mass-murdering regime as being firmly within touching distance of my personal political philosophy and world-view (not just one, ALL OF THEM!) as very f*cking offensive indeed.

    You know what? F*ck you Crackrjak. I`m done here.
  189. Profile photo of CrakrJak
    CrakrJak Male 40-49
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    September 19, 2010 at 9:03 am
    Essersmith: Then I`ll pose the same perspective on you, You have to live in America to know what a Democratic Republic is like. If all you`ve done is live in socialist countries then how can you judge ?

    See how that argument fails now ?
    America is full of ex-pats from all over the world, And most all of them say things like, "You Americans are so lucky, You have no idea how free you really are." Well this is one American that does know, I`ve had relatives that have lived and worked abroad in England, Germany, Japan, Mexico, Canada, and the Philippines. Ask them about their experiences and the usual responses are, "I`m glad to be back home.", "Nice place to visit, But don`t live there.", and "People have strange stereotypes about Americans there."
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    CrakrJak Male 40-49
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    September 19, 2010 at 9:24 am
    davy: Don`t get me wrong, I`m not making personal accusations or trying to make you feel bad, Honestly.

    But the only real difference between Hitler`s Fascism and Stalin`s Communism were their methods.
    Communism`s method was to `Raise the proletariat (the common man) up to gain power`, Nazism didn`t want the `common man` raising up, They believed in a master race and that that elite master race gain power. Both were authoritarian, Both dictatorships, and Both socialist to slightly different degrees.

    American conservatives are nothing like either of those. We all want less government, The current `elitists` out of power, Less government spending, A simplified tax system, A balanced federal budget, A repeal of Obamacare, And an audit of the federal government in the aim of streamlining it`s performance and ending the current bureaucratic nightmare.

    I don`t see what is so scary about that, Seriously.
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    Essersmith Male 18-29
    275 posts
    September 19, 2010 at 10:37 am
    CrakrJak: ok you win. Im done. you claim to read about stuff but you seem not to remember much.

    I can judge just fine since ive lived in the US. something i stated and I also admited it was some years ago. But atleast im man enough to admit that you/someone knows better about a democratic republic than me.

    You my friend is a pointless cause. This was never a debate. You are refusing to see reason even partly, you refuse to admit that some people might know better about some things. You are one of those "weird stereotypes" you HEARD about.

    I say again, go live in Canada or north europe/scandinavia and then we can talk about socialism. Not some former relative, YOU. I dare you.
  192. Profile photo of Essersmith
    Essersmith Male 18-29
    275 posts
    September 19, 2010 at 10:45 am
    And before you jump me claiming that i just dislike the US.

    I actually like the US it does many things for the world, but there are many parts of the political system, school system and general world view that is just hilarious.

    That said it would probably work better without a silly religion.

    What are these ex-pats you speak of.. it cant be experts?
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    CrakrJak Male 40-49
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    September 19, 2010 at 11:10 am
    Essersmith: I have more 2nd hand experience than needed to know the differences, And I`m more apt to believe those people I`ve met in person rather than people typing on the internet.

    I have no need or want to leave the USA, and can talk about whatever I want. It`s called the 1st Amendment to our Constitution, Look it up.
  194. Profile photo of Naltoc
    Naltoc Male 18-29
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    September 19, 2010 at 11:34 am
    CrakrJak: So what you`re saying is, YOU have second and third-hand knowledge of socialism, which makes you an expert on the subject, but those of us who actually have first-hand knowledge of not only it, but also the American way of running things, have no right to tell you how wrong you are? Doesn`t this seem just a wee bit retarded, even to someone as simpleton as yourself?

    From your comments, it`s pretty obvious that you`re either a troll (which I hope, because that means my trust in humanity not succumbing to stupidity is retained) or somewhat of a deluded imbecile (which I fear, because, well, it means humanity truly is going straight down the pooter).
  195. Profile photo of CrakrJak
    CrakrJak Male 40-49
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    September 19, 2010 at 11:45 am
    Naltoc: I never said I was an expert on anything.

    But Essersmith made the assertion that only those living in a socialism system could ever criticize it, That`s just totally stupid. That`s like saying you have to smoke cigarettes to know they aren`t good for you.
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    bunny_knight Male 18-29
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    September 19, 2010 at 1:39 pm
    "we have god given desires" great, "and we need to use them in context" wait, wtf?!
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    Intaresting Male 18-29
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    September 19, 2010 at 1:52 pm
    The bible also says that killing your own wife and children is ok if God tells you to.
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    PTPete Female 30-39
    1236 posts
    September 19, 2010 at 2:44 pm
    Frigid, bible-thumping conservatives get OFF on telling others what NOT to do with their pink parts.
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    whocares3725 Male 18-29
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    September 19, 2010 at 2:54 pm
    You kooky Christians...
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    a9249 Male 18-29
    39 posts
    September 19, 2010 at 3:06 pm
    Religon is like a penis
    Its nice that you have one
    Its nice that you think its wonderful

    No one wants you waving it around and shoving it down other peoples throats.
    America needs to do what Canada did. If you cannot prove your claims scientifically, then you are committing fraud.
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    8BitHero Male 18-29
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    September 19, 2010 at 4:17 pm
    I couldn`t find any tissue so I used a bible
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    NotTHATbored Female 18-29
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    September 19, 2010 at 5:03 pm
    @CrakrJak So what if the Nazi`s had some socialist aspects to their society? That does not mean that every socialist society is going to turn a Nazi Society. In fact there are quite a few countries that learn towards socialism that are nothing like Nazi Germany. Give me a break.

    I agree with you that WWII wasn`t about religion, except where people used it to justify their actions, it was about a money/propety/ and land grab from the jews and anyone else they wanted to take from. It was also about cuting anyone out of society who didn`t benefit the whole (sounds kind of Republican to me?). So what? What does that have to do with liberal Americans today? Do you think we`re going to start exterminating the handicapped, mentally challenged, or the gays? Is that what you`re worried about?
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    CrakrJak Male 40-49
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    September 19, 2010 at 5:31 pm
    NotTHATbored: I didn`t say they would turn that way, I was answering Davymid`s assertion that Fascism is right wing, Which it isn`t.

    I tried to explain that Fascism is for more government control and is Authoritarian, Compared to Conservatism which wants less government.

    Davy then pivoted and tried to say Conservatives lead to racism, Which I countered with the history of the USA where Republicans like Lincoln freed the slaves and Democrats started the `jim crow` laws, KKK, etc.

    Anyone that thinks the Tea Party is racist or will turn fascist is totally out of their gourd, And I was trying to demonstrate the reasons why it won`t.
  204. Profile photo of CrakrJak
    CrakrJak Male 40-49
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    September 19, 2010 at 5:45 pm
    What does that have to do with liberal Americans today? Do you think we`re going to start exterminating the handicapped, mentally challenged, or the gays? Is that what you`re worried about?

    If I believed there were any eugenics agenda in liberalism, I`d say so.

    This Obamacare does have euthanasia included in it`s pages, It contains a government requirement for an “Advance Care Planning Consultation.” Those 65 and older will be required to undergo mandatory ‘end of life’ counseling to determine if they are worthy to continue to not only live, Counselors will be trained to discuss how to end life sooner, how to decline nutrition and hydration, how to go into hospice, etc.

    That`s really screwed up, In my humble opinion.
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    twistman27 Male 13-17
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    September 19, 2010 at 7:14 pm
    I can fap to this..
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    NotTHATbored Female 18-29
    1101 posts
    September 19, 2010 at 8:35 pm
    @CrakrJak Well I agree that Conservatives are not the root of all racism. But where are you getting your information about "Obamacare" from? It sounds somewhat exagerated and possibly out of context. I would like to know what it says word for word right out of the bill so that I can interpret it for myself.

    At any rate as unpopular as it may seem now, I do think it is going to get a lot of support very shortly. I say this because starting September 23rd children under 26 will be able to stay on their parents insurance plans. That means that if you have an older kid in college, recently out of college, or just uninsured you won`t have to worry about them getting sick. As much as you wouldn`t think it, the under 26 are a large percent of the uninsured. If you ask me this benefits the whole middle class because it is essential for businesses to have a healthy working population.
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    Somehowfunny Female 18-29
    40 posts
    September 19, 2010 at 8:47 pm
    @CrakrJak
    Dude, you are incapable of have a rational adult conversation. Go take you anti-psychotics and go lay down for a bit, you`ll feel better.

    You`re one of those people that think that they are going to tattoo the "number of the beast" on our foreheads aren`t you?

    Come back when you can link proof of the great liberal conspiracy, then I will believe you. Till that time, wipe the foam off your mouth and go froth somewhere else.

    If you want me to back up what I`ve said with links I will. But you have to do the same, Big Boy, and that I highly doubt.
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    AnInsomniac Female 18-29
    318 posts
    September 19, 2010 at 8:50 pm
    This is getting ridiculous. Why do you act like it`s such Srs Biznzz?

    All I know, is that in America we`re all entitled to our opinions,and to freedom of religion and yet...let someone say For Example, "I`m gay" and everyone seems to shout "YOU`LL BURN IN HELL!" and "IT`S AGAINST GOD`S LAWS!!!" when all I can think is...`but I`m not christian, why do I have to obey your god`s laws?` The fact that they are laws prohibiting something that is okay in my religion but the only reason why it isn`t legalized is that it`s not a christian belief. That`s hypocrisy by majority vote. It`s fine to have freedom of religion as long as it`s the same religion as everyone else`s and they obey the laws of their god.
    Frankly, I don`t know what you would call our country besides hypocritical, but I don`t see why who falls to which side is important.

    Frankly, Crakr, I see no reason why this should be so important to you, unless you`re hiding something th
  209. Profile photo of CrakrJak
    CrakrJak Male 40-49
    17514 posts
    September 19, 2010 at 10:05 pm
    You`re one of those people that think that they are going to tattoo the "number of the beast" on our foreheads aren`t you?

    Uhm, No. I believe the rapture will come before then and the `mark of the beast` may be something much simpler than that, Like RFID, For those that remain.

    And I would suggest you rid your comments of the personal insults, It turns any credibility you have into mush.
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    CrakrJak Male 40-49
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    September 19, 2010 at 10:14 pm
    HR 3200, Section 1233, Page 425 Source
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    AnInsomniac Female 18-29
    318 posts
    September 19, 2010 at 10:36 pm
    @Crakrjak: A blog doesn`t count as a valid source, Crakr. Not ever.

    If you can pull up actual documents, and point to specific spots, that is valid. Not a blog where you can`t prove that`s what it actually says in the original document or not. (By the way, no, I didn`t read it. However, if this is what is written, use that to pull up a gov. site to back up what they claim.

    End of discussion. You get an F for failing to cite properly. Wiki is also unacceptable.
  212. Profile photo of CrakrJak
    CrakrJak Male 40-49
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    September 19, 2010 at 11:23 pm
    AnInsomniac: HR 3200, Section 1233 - Thomas Law Library
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    CrakrJak Male 40-49
    17514 posts
    September 19, 2010 at 11:32 pm
    The language of the bill in both links is the same, But you could`ve looked that up for yourself, Couldn`t you ?

    You get an F, For not looking up information on your own, Yet still criticizing my link with accurate information.
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    davymid Male 30-39
    12140 posts
    September 20, 2010 at 12:35 am
    Crakr, have you listened to yourself? Seriously? You`re broken buddy. Your complete inability to admit fallibility is not frightening, nor threatening, in fact I just feel genuinely sorry for you.

    Your frankly weird world-view, best I can tell, is as follows: Homosexuality is a lifestyle choice, a sin, and an addiction. Muslims are all out to get us. We`re all going to experience the Rapture (hope I`m not a passenger when the pilot gets carried up). Global warming is a myth perpetuated by the liberal left. Evolution is a lie. American conservatism is the blueprint on which every nation on earth should be founded. Fascism is an apparently left-wing political ideology. Obama is advocating grandmother-murdering eugenics. Getting into the realm of the ridiculous, Corvettes don`t have leaf-springs. Despite any kind of evidence that is waved in front of your face, you steadfastly refuse to believe it.

    You`re immune. You`re irrecovable. You`re insane.
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    davymid Male 30-39
    12140 posts
    September 20, 2010 at 12:36 am
    Dude, I used to think of you as a friend, a brother-in-arms, but I now want to disassociate myself entirely from you now.

    I was very close to nominating you as a Moderator on this site. But to be a Moderator takes a certain amount of Moderation, an ability to see things from both sides (cf: my admittance that many totalitarian regimes are left-wing communist in nature, and that some such as Hitler and Mussolini were in fact, fascist and right-wing). But you can`t swallow that, can you? It`s purely black and white with you, isn`t it? Fascism is a left-wing political ideology in your world view, and there`s nothing that`s going to sway you from that, despite every f*cking political scientist worth his salt saying that Fascism is a right-wing ideology.

    You go, sister.
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    davymid Male 30-39
    12140 posts
    September 20, 2010 at 12:36 am
    Crackr, I genuinely feel sorry for you. I don`t know you, but I`m guessing that you haven`t found love in your life, are single, without a girlfriend or wife, no children, and are living a lonely existence in a lonely apartment. How could anyone possibly love you with your stubborn pig-headedness? It`s kinda repulsive.

    You`re just bitter, Crackr. Wish I could heal you, but I can`t. I won`t be responding to any more of your posts in future on this site.

    Frankly, you disgust me.
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    dudemanguy Male 13-17
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    September 20, 2010 at 1:30 am
    Lol and I though trolling was for moody teenage girls
  218. Profile photo of CrakrJak
    CrakrJak Male 40-49
    17514 posts
    September 20, 2010 at 2:30 am
    davymid: Let me correct you on your perceptions of me. First off, I don`t believe all muslims `are out to get us`, I`ve never stated that. In fact I`ve linked to muslim sites that want reform, and have linked to former-muslims that are against the ground zero mosque. I don`t hate muslims, Seriously quit repeating that baloney, Okay ?

    Secondly, I don`t care so much about other countries political direction, They are your countries not mine, But I will observe and report what I see.

    Thirdly, Your refusal to admit that socialism was the method the Nazi`s came to power really puzzles me. Do you have to hold onto the belief of `Center > Right Wing > Fascism` For your the sake of your ethos ? Despite the evidence I`ve given you to the contrary ? Fascism is called the `Third State` for a reason, That`s because it`s neither right or left wing but tries to appeal to both. I said it was authoritarian, and not libertarian.
  219. Profile photo of Naltoc
    Naltoc Male 18-29
    48 posts
    September 20, 2010 at 2:42 am
    Fascism is right-wing. Socialism, at its core, is about leaving no-one behind. Fascism, on the other hand, is about some people being better than others. That, my "friend" is boiling the two ideologies down to their very core. Different varieties have different ways of interpeting these views and how to establish a society based upon them, as well as their progenitors` views, but if you take the very bare bones, that`s it.

    Now, please tell me why fascism is socialistic again?
  220. Profile photo of CrakrJak
    CrakrJak Male 40-49
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    September 20, 2010 at 2:51 am
    Fourthly, I never said Obamacare promoted eugenics, I said euthanasia, They are different things.

    Fifthly, I wouldn`t want to be nominated for being a moderator, If I had to check my religious and conservative beliefs at the door. I can see both sides, But only agree with the ones I believe in.

    Sixthly, Your attempt to paint me with you haven`t found love in your life, are single, without a girlfriend or wife, no children, and are living a lonely existence in a lonely apartment. is saddening and beneath you.
    You`ve criticized me as being judgmental, But you`ve demonstrated your hypocrisy with that quote.

    Lastly, I`m not bitter, I`m hopeful. I see the turning political tide, I finally see that people are educating themselves instead of being apathetic sheep. My family is loving, caring, and close knit.
  221. Profile photo of CrakrJak
    CrakrJak Male 40-49
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    September 20, 2010 at 2:58 am
    Frankly, Your walking off in disgust doesn`t bother me at all davy. You`ve built-up this false impression of me, That I can only guess mirrors some one else in your life and I don`t want you continue responding to me with that illusion you currently have of me in your mind.

    The way you mentioned `hurt and bitter` can only lead me to believe that someone fitting the profile you`ve made-up about me, Has in fact hurt you. If so, I apologize, All religious conservatives aren`t the same.
  222. Profile photo of CrakrJak
    CrakrJak Male 40-49
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    September 20, 2010 at 3:06 am
    Naltoc: That whole `Fascism is right-wing` narrative is a lie. It`s been perpetuated for decades now. I`ve already given details, Go back further in this thread and look for them.

    Suffice to say Nazi = National Socialist Party, They didn`t choose that name because it was Conservative, Capitalist, or Right-Wing. I`m not saying it`s completely Left-wing either, It was called the `Third State` for a reason.
  223. Profile photo of CrakrJak
    CrakrJak Male 40-49
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    September 20, 2010 at 3:12 am
    Read more on it Here.
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    Naltoc Male 18-29
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    September 20, 2010 at 3:56 am
    You`re asking someone who, unlike you apparently, grew up in a country neighboring Germany, to read up on my history. I know my history jsut fine, thank-you-very-much and you seem to be completely ignoring my post. But hey, I guess that`s what I should expect from hillbillies. I think I`ll just save myself the headache of continuing this argument and go do something productive, like leeching off the rich.
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    CrakrJak Male 40-49
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    September 20, 2010 at 4:01 am
    Naltoc: What ever floats your boat man. All I can do is share my opinion and give sources for it.
    If you choose to ignore it, That`s up to you.
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    BoredFrank Male 40-49
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    September 20, 2010 at 6:57 am
    She probably attends Westboro Baptist on a regular basis.
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    meepmaker Male 30-39
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    September 20, 2010 at 8:18 am
    I couldnt understand what she was saying. I was to busy fapping.
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    digbychicken Male 18-29
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    September 20, 2010 at 10:55 am
    pass me the tissues
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    oOFELIXOo Female 18-29
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    September 20, 2010 at 11:51 am
    She`s also the bitch that thinks everyone should pray away the gay LOl what a douche
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    AnInsomniac Female 18-29
    318 posts
    September 20, 2010 at 1:52 pm
    @Crakrjak: "The language of the bill in both links is the same, But you could`ve looked that up for yourself, Couldn`t you ?"

    If it`s your arguement, I shouldn`t have to look up YOUR information, except to verify. It should already come from a reliable un-biased site. That doesn`t mean that I can`t look it up because I want to be sure that it`s valid. When it`s presented in an argument, it`s YOUR responsiblity to present correct and dependable sources, not mine.

    Furthermore, that 2nd site timed out so I couldn`t see that they were the same.

    "You get an F, For not looking up information on your own, Yet still criticizing my link with accurate information."

    As I said above, you cannot validate ANYTHING with a blog! Not ever! That`s not my responsibility. My responsibility would be to check it against a reliable source and make sure the site you posted is reliable. Blogs and Wiki are never acceptable and invalidate any point because
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    AnInsomniac Female 18-29
    318 posts
    September 20, 2010 at 1:55 pm
    it cut off the rest. lol

    Because you are supposed to only present unbiased information to begin with. If you fail to do so, then it`s your fault.
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    ddaq89 Male 30-39
    168 posts
    September 20, 2010 at 2:00 pm
    yes... why ARE you in the picture?
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    AnInsomniac Female 18-29
    318 posts
    September 20, 2010 at 2:17 pm
    Frankly, Crakrjak, all I did was remind you that you need to properly cite your arguments. In the world of academia you would, in fact, receive an F for using a blog as a source.

    You DO need to calm down. If someone tries to hand you a handy little tip for citing your information, then take it. And yes, it did come out harshly, but that could be because you are not being the most polite person in the world (and before you can get defensive and say it, neither am I). Therein lies the root of this problem: you are getting overly defensive, and it`s coming off as a fervor the likes of which is usually only seen in religious fanatics and white supremacists (I am not calling you either).

    So calm down, think for a little while and come back to it when you can calmly discuss your differences.

    --Not that anyone is more than likely going to come back, you`ve ran them all away by being so darn offensively defensive. I know I`m done here...HEY, DAVYMID! WAIT UP FOR ME!
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    AcidJazz90 Male 18-29
    20 posts
    September 20, 2010 at 2:39 pm
    poo... "Masturbation is a selfish act"

    Damn right. Come to my house baby and we can put the masturbatory business aside for an hour or two :)
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    NotTHATbored Female 18-29
    1101 posts
    September 20, 2010 at 3:57 pm
    So I hate to side with the fanatical conservative, but what does socialism or health care have to do with anyones personal life? Wasn`t this a serious conversation two seconds ago about whether or not euthinasia was talked about in the bill?

    Though I must admit I got a pretty good laugh at, "Wish I could heal you, but I can`t." :-D



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    CrakrJak Male 40-49
    17514 posts
    September 20, 2010 at 6:08 pm
    AnInsomniac: I was trying to be nice and not make you, Or anyone else, Have to download the whole damn 1200+ page PDF file from the government website. Then you would`ve had to wade through it to find the specific page.

    I tried to be find a source that was quick, easy, and accurate, For the convenience of all.

    But NOOOOOOO, You have to get stupid about it. You knew it was correct before you typed your crap, But you couldn`t resist being a douche.
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    CrakrJak Male 40-49
    17514 posts
    September 20, 2010 at 6:18 pm
    NotTHATbored: It seems to me that, Davy, Naltoc, and AnInsomniac, All jumped the shark when I linked Fascism to Socialism and followed up with sources and logic to prove it.

    You see, When you go after someones sacred cow beliefs, They sometimes get this knee-jerk reaction of hate back at you. They`ll insult you, Call you crazy, delusional, unmedicated, over medicated etc...

    I`ve been guilty of it in the past as well, But found out that, In the end, It just makes you look stubborn and intolerant.
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    AnInsomniac Female 18-29
    318 posts
    September 20, 2010 at 11:45 pm
    Ya know what? I simply said that you needed to give valid sources for what you were saying. You`re getting over defensive about something that is incredibly stupid and simple! I`m not the one who you started this argument with, Crakr. That was Somehowfunny. It was YOU who challenged HER beliefs, not the other way around. If you really didn`t like what she said, you could`ve walked away.

    The site you provided was freaking biased you brain-dead asshat! I wasn`t trying to be mean before and I guess that just pissed you off more because you feel the need to call me stupid and a douche.

    I was ready to walk away but my fiancee looked at this and I won`t tolerate you calling me stupid without letting you exactly what I think of you too!

    I don`t care about your beliefs. I care about the fact that I didn`t call you any names and I didn`t challenge your beliefs, but simply pointed out something that could`ve VALIDATED your argument a little better (if it can be valida
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    AnInsomniac Female 18-29
    318 posts
    September 20, 2010 at 11:49 pm
    ...(if it can be validated either or) so stick it up your arse!

    Don`t preach about others being intolerant when you`re being completely ignorant and rather intolerant yourself!

    I`m frankly tired of saying, calm down, take it easy and come back to it! You are everything davymid said and then some...I`d be afraid to live in the same state as you!!!
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    Somehowfunny Female 18-29
    40 posts
    September 21, 2010 at 12:01 am
    @CrakrJak

    You are beyond reasoning with and incapable of having a civilized conversation. I think that until you can behave as an adult you should go elsewhere. When, and only when, you are able to act your age will people give your beliefs any respect.

    If you wish to continue being so...I don`t even have polite words to describe your actions, you can head over to 4chan where you may feel more at home.

    By what I have gleaned of you from your comments here may I recommend /b/.
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    CrakrJak Male 40-49
    17514 posts
    September 21, 2010 at 2:52 pm
    AnInsomniac: You missed the point entirely. You stated it was an invalid site. Sorry, But your prejudice overwhelmed you.

    Yes, I could`ve and would`ve linked to the whole damn huge 1200+ page HR 3200 pdf file, I did not do that because I simply thought it was unreasonable to expect anyone to wade through all that to find one particular page. Can you say `Needle in a haystack` ? I knew you could.

    I was trying to make it simple, To the point, Easy to read, And with some emphasis on the crucial parts of that section. No good deed goes unpunished though. IAB is not a thesis paper dude, So get over it. The information is accurate and I`ve proved so.
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    CrakrJak Male 40-49
    17514 posts
    September 21, 2010 at 3:01 pm
    Somehowfunny: You are the epitome of your own criticism, Most of the comments you`ve made here are negative and mostly aimed at me. That`s trolling and borderline on stalking.

    I`m not going away, I contribute to IAB regularly and most people here know me as a `Regular`. So go bark up another tree.
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    NotTHATbored Female 18-29
    1101 posts
    September 21, 2010 at 9:23 pm
    @somehowfunny do you even know what this arguement is about? I "somehow" doubt it.

    "You are beyond reasoning with and incapable of having a civilized conversation. I think that until you can behave as an adult you should go elsewhere. When, and only when, you are able to act your age will people give your beliefs any respect."

    That is the saddest most partonizing crap I have read on I-A-B yet. What does it even mean? How have you decided that he is not acting his age and who made you lord of the I-A-B message boreds that you have the nerve to tell someone they should leave? Did you even mention ONE POINT pertaining to the actual discussion going here? Did you say anything about Health Care, Socialism, or Source Citing? No, I didn`t think so. So really your post is the least valuable in all the bunch! Even as a libral, I would rather see you go.

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