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191 Responses to Obama Wants To Wiretap Internet, Your Cell Phone

  1. Profile photo of tridirk
    tridirk Male 50-59
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    September 27, 2010 at 12:10 pm
    Link: Obama Wants To Wiretap Internet, Your Cell Phone - It`s all here from the New York Times. Thanks, Barry--this is AWESOME! When do we get implanted microchips in our heads?
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    fancylad Male 30-39
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    September 27, 2010 at 12:16 pm
    Barry supporters, please defend this.

    And don`t use the qualifier of, "If you`re not a terrorists, you have nothing to worry about." Because we can all see beyond that.
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    auburnjunky Male 30-39
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    September 27, 2010 at 12:17 pm

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    DarthJay Male 30-39
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    September 27, 2010 at 12:18 pm
    Yet where are all the lefties who called GW names for doing this kind of crap?! Hmmmmmmm.
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    paddy215 Male 18-29
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    September 27, 2010 at 12:18 pm
    Very misleading title.
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    auburnjunky Male 30-39
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    September 27, 2010 at 12:19 pm
    They are taking time to spin this. They will show up when they think of something.
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    fancylad Male 30-39
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    September 27, 2010 at 12:19 pm
    Paddy, no. No it`s not. Jump to the third paragraph of the article.
  8. Profile photo of auburnjunky
    auburnjunky Male 30-39
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    September 27, 2010 at 12:19 pm
    @paddy:

    Obama saw that.
  9. Profile photo of elHadji
    elHadji Male 70 & Over
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    September 27, 2010 at 12:19 pm
    It isn`t really much of a big deal. We have it here in Sweden, but life goes on as normal.
  10. Profile photo of auburnjunky
    auburnjunky Male 30-39
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    September 27, 2010 at 12:21 pm
    @elhadji:

    Some of us don`t live in Sweden, so we aren`t okay with it.
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    MrTwidget Male 30-39
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    September 27, 2010 at 12:22 pm
    Over my dead internet connection.
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    Buiadh Male 30-39
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    September 27, 2010 at 12:23 pm
    Meh, much ado about nothing.

    Awaiting right wing fury to be unleashed upon this thread in 5... 4... 3...
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    auburnjunky Male 30-39
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    September 27, 2010 at 12:23 pm
    "Meh, much ado about nothing."

    The people from Europe, who this article does not apply to, are out in FORCE!
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    wcclark Male 18-29
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    September 27, 2010 at 12:24 pm
    Goodbye, Fancylad.
    Goodbye, IAB.

    I`m going the way of Buddy.
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    elHadji Male 70 & Over
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    September 27, 2010 at 12:25 pm
    @auburnjunky
    That made no sense whatsoever.

    Thousands and thousands of people protested all the time, even I did it. But as time went, there wasn`t really much to be angry about since it didn`t make a lot of difference.
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    Ant0n Male 18-29
    761 posts
    September 27, 2010 at 12:25 pm
    Like it or not, it will happen. If not Obama, then someone else.
    Just a matter of time...
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    sjaakwortel Male 18-29
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    September 27, 2010 at 12:25 pm
    great, now only install some camera`s at my home and we will really be in a free country
  18. Profile photo of auburnjunky
    auburnjunky Male 30-39
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    September 27, 2010 at 12:28 pm
    How did that not make sense elHadji?

    I don`t want to "have to get used to it".

    It`s infringement on my liberty.

    The internet is the last true place where freedom of speech is recognized, and now they want to make us scared to use it.

    Liberals have been talking about this for ages. Now it`s actually going to happen unless of course, we do the smart thing this November.
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    Wtfidklol Male 13-17
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    September 27, 2010 at 12:29 pm
    Yes, because this will totally work against law abiding, average citizens.
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    Jasonbobdude Male 18-29
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    September 27, 2010 at 12:30 pm
    Uh oh, better watch what I write on Facebook... They`re going to see that "My dog is experiencing severe emotional trauma at the moment" and wonder if it`s terrorist code.
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    GuardinGnome Male 18-29
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    September 27, 2010 at 12:31 pm
    Yeah, f*ck that.
  22. Profile photo of fancylad
    fancylad Male 30-39
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    September 27, 2010 at 12:32 pm
    OK, it`s been about 15 minutes since i finished this article.

    i`m still not cool with it and i`m not going to accept it as elHadji suggests.

    This just is completely [email protected]#d out.
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    MrTwidget Male 30-39
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    September 27, 2010 at 12:34 pm
    The internet is the last bit of sacred anonymity we have. Allowing ungoverned wiretapping will only be the beginning. They try to play it off like it will only be used for criminals, but remember the phone tapping on residential citizens that was suppose to only be used for "criminals" too? They might as well shove a camera up my ass and monitor me 24/7. This is AMERICA (for me anyway). We, the people, are suppose to make the rules, not just shrug it off as another homeland security expense.
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    auburnjunky Male 30-39
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    September 27, 2010 at 12:38 pm
    Vote them OUT this November.

    This is about the 5,000th last straw!
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    auburnjunky Male 30-39
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    September 27, 2010 at 12:39 pm
    I wonder how 4chan is taking this?
  26. Profile photo of elHadji
    elHadji Male 70 & Over
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    September 27, 2010 at 12:39 pm
    Yes it is infringement. Yes it is wrong. Yes they should stop. But holy crap dude, you won`t notice anything.
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    elHadji Male 70 & Over
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    September 27, 2010 at 12:40 pm
    I can also add that I`m downloading 5 different Wii-games right now. It`s really not much of a big deal, nothing to go mental about like some people tend to do.
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    auburnjunky Male 30-39
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    September 27, 2010 at 12:41 pm
    Doesn`t matter elHadji.

    No matter how slight, or inconspicuous it is, it is still wrong and should not be allowed.
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    auburnjunky Male 30-39
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    September 27, 2010 at 12:42 pm
    They probably don`t care, because you play Wii.

    They think you are 8, and not a threat.
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    paddy215 Male 18-29
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    September 27, 2010 at 12:44 pm
    fancy, its misleading because it gives the impression they`re gonna be monitoring everybody no matter what they`re doing. They can only get information on suspeced criminals after they get lawful authorization. They`re basically just updating the law that was already in place to include newer technologies.

    Oh, and coming out with "Barry supporters, please defend this." Is more proof that what used to be a fun site is now just looking to start arguments.
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    Originalform Male 30-39
    292 posts
    September 27, 2010 at 12:46 pm
    please, Nothing you do anymore is private. Nothing. every text you send, every picture you send, every site you visit, every file you think is deleteted. slowly all of our rights to privacy are slipping away. total complete control. whether we know it or not. Its happening
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    edana42 Female 50-59
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    September 27, 2010 at 12:46 pm
    Isn`t this what the dems had a fit over Bush doing?
  33. Profile photo of Luniz82
    Luniz82 Male 18-29
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    September 27, 2010 at 12:47 pm
    I remember when Bush wanted to do this. And when Clinton wanted to do this.. I am sure Bush senior wanted to do this also.
  34. Profile photo of auburnjunky
    auburnjunky Male 30-39
    10339 posts
    September 27, 2010 at 12:47 pm
    Paddy, ever hear of a floating IP?

    They can`t possibly hope to lock down 1 person`s actions on the net, so they will monitor all connection and look for incriminating activity.

    Believe it or not, that`s how they do it on land lines now, so this will be no different.
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    auburnjunky Male 30-39
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    September 27, 2010 at 12:48 pm
    @edena:

    "Isn`t this what the dems had a fit over Bush doing?"

    Yes, but when Barry came out in support of it after he was elected, they changed their tune.

    Net neutrality here we come!
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    auburnjunky Male 30-39
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    September 27, 2010 at 12:50 pm
    Sorry guys, but this is my #1 pet peeve of the government.

    I hated it when Bush did it, and I hate this.

    Jefferson said we should never have to give up ANY liberty for defense.

    This is bullpoo.
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    madest Male 40-49
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    September 27, 2010 at 12:52 pm
    Yet where are all the lefties who called GW names for doing this kind of crap?! Hmmmmmmm.
    ---------------
    We`re right here. We`re more angry this time because the person doing this is supposed to be educated. We already know republicans don`t care about liberty or civil rights so you can count on us "lefties" to fight this for your complaining asses. If it never happens or does happen then gets undone you can write the lefties a thank you note.
  38. Profile photo of Luniz82
    Luniz82 Male 18-29
    588 posts
    September 27, 2010 at 12:54 pm
    “We’re talking about lawfully authorized intercepts,” Meaning they will not use the ability to do so unless they have a wiretap warrant with reasonable cause.
  39. Profile photo of auburnjunky
    auburnjunky Male 30-39
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    September 27, 2010 at 12:55 pm
    "If it never happens or does happen then gets undone you can write the lefties a thank you note."

    Dude. When are you gonna look up and face the fact that this administration wants total control over the people?

    Republicans have been crying out against net neutrality for 4 years now. (Since they lost majority).

    It`s cool though. Soon we will all be silenced.
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    OmgZelda Female 18-29
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    September 27, 2010 at 12:56 pm
    Pretty sure it`s to bust all the people who lie and said they read and agree with the ToS.
  41. Profile photo of auburnjunky
    auburnjunky Male 30-39
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    September 27, 2010 at 12:56 pm
    Luniz:

    You sound like a stupid republican defending Bush when he signed the wiretapping bill.

    Also, 2300
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    jfactor Male 18-29
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    September 27, 2010 at 12:56 pm
    Big Brother is watching. Ya know what? I`m really sick of Comrade Obama`s crap. That commie needs a foot up his arse.
  43. Profile photo of drworm2002
    drworm2002 Male 30-39
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    September 27, 2010 at 12:56 pm
    People will you read it. People talking out of their a$$es and not reading it.
  44. Profile photo of Luniz82
    Luniz82 Male 18-29
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    September 27, 2010 at 12:57 pm
    So dramatic over something that just gives them the right to tap peoples internet with a warrant like they have been doing forever to peoples phone and house WITH WARRANTS. Paranoid people make me laugh. LOL look at all the pedo`s rage over this.
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    auburnjunky Male 30-39
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    September 27, 2010 at 12:57 pm
    I did drworm.

    That`s why I`m pissed, and you should be too.

    The internet is a WORLDWIDE medium?

    What the drat are we? China?
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    auburnjunky Male 30-39
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    September 27, 2010 at 12:58 pm
    @luniz:

    Fancylad is pissed. Is he a pedo?

    Banhammer?
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    Luniz82 Male 18-29
    588 posts
    September 27, 2010 at 12:58 pm
    @auburn and what do you sounds like? With your OMG they are going to be watching everything I do. HOW DARE THEY EVOLVE WITH THE CRIMINAL WORLD!
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    auburnjunky Male 30-39
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    September 27, 2010 at 12:59 pm
    Come back to us luniz. You are floating away.
  49. Profile photo of Luniz82
    Luniz82 Male 18-29
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    September 27, 2010 at 12:59 pm
    Hey Auburn if the shoe fits.
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    skypirate Male 18-29
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    September 27, 2010 at 12:59 pm
    all you people bashing the government, just remember one thing. they can hear you now.....
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    donthaveone Male 30-39
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    September 27, 2010 at 1:00 pm
    LOL... Like they don`t all ready do this now... They just want it to be "Legal"
  52. Profile photo of drworm2002
    drworm2002 Male 30-39
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    September 27, 2010 at 1:00 pm
    Oh and Bush wanted to wire tap with no warrant. This is if you are doing something wrong and they get a warrant, just like if they were going to search your house or tap your phones. They can tap your phones now. They are not going to tap everyone`s phone. You people that have a problem with this are not really reading it. Those of you who are saying it`s the same as Bush are not reading it. You make me weep for this country. Too many people talking poo about something they don`t know about.
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    madduck Female 50-59
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    September 27, 2010 at 1:00 pm
    It is the gradual erosion of privacy and rights. Doesn`t matter what it is, finger print, DNA, email. It has crept up on us because we buy the line that we have nothing to fear unless we are wrongdoers, but once they have the right to these things they can decide to move the law- because they can. It really does matter, because you lose eventually. This is not a matter of left versus right.
  54. Profile photo of auburnjunky
    auburnjunky Male 30-39
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    September 27, 2010 at 1:00 pm
    If the shoe fits?

    So you are saying you`re a communist?
  55. Profile photo of paddy215
    paddy215 Male 18-29
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    September 27, 2010 at 1:00 pm
    "that`s how they do it on land lines now, so this will be no different."

    My point exactly, nothings really changing, they`re just updating a law to make it still relevant.
  56. Profile photo of auburnjunky
    auburnjunky Male 30-39
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    September 27, 2010 at 1:01 pm
    Bravo Madduck. Voice of reason.

    @drworm:

    "They are not going to tap everyone`s phone."

    Too bad they already do.
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    Luniz82 Male 18-29
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    September 27, 2010 at 1:01 pm
    Yes auburn that is what I am saying
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    auburnjunky Male 30-39
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    September 27, 2010 at 1:02 pm
    @paddy:

    A drated up, stupid law that should be repealed.

    A drated up stupid law that Bush`s stupid ass started, and Obama supports, who is now expanding it to ALL of our speech.
  59. Profile photo of drworm2002
    drworm2002 Male 30-39
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    September 27, 2010 at 1:02 pm
    @auburnjunky right and right now people can use it for the drug trade, human trafficking and terrorism. A judge would still have to give them a warrant to do anything.
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    auburnjunky Male 30-39
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    September 27, 2010 at 1:04 pm
    Touche luniz. I didn`t realize.

    Fell free to speak your mind then.

    Wait a sec, your chosen form of government requires your silence and obedience.

  61. Profile photo of drworm2002
    drworm2002 Male 30-39
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    September 27, 2010 at 1:04 pm
    @auburnjunky You really think that they can tap millions and millions of phones? I love how they think that the government has that kind of power.
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    Pooptart19 Male 18-29
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    September 27, 2010 at 1:04 pm
    I`m not so much worried about this as I am the Combating Online Infringement and Counterfeits Act.
  63. Profile photo of Luniz82
    Luniz82 Male 18-29
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    September 27, 2010 at 1:05 pm
    So paranoid these days. You have nothing to worry about if you do not break the law. If you do break they law I say they should be able to do WHATEVER is necessary to catch your a$$. The people with the biggest problem are those that are breaking the law or those that just love to stir up problems.
  64. Profile photo of Luniz82
    Luniz82 Male 18-29
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    September 27, 2010 at 1:06 pm
    I guess I am not a communist then. Weird how that works.
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    auburnjunky Male 30-39
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    September 27, 2010 at 1:07 pm
    @drworm:

    Officer: We saw this person talk about how weed should be legal. We think he may have marijuana. We need a warrant.

    Judge: Granted. Tear his house up and terrorize him for using his right to free speech.
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    EricWRN Male 30-39
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    September 27, 2010 at 1:07 pm
    I`m no Barry fan but these headlines are a tad dramatic. Although I thought Obama was supposed to have the MOST OPEN AND HONEST ADMINSTRATION EVAH
  67. Profile photo of Luniz82
    Luniz82 Male 18-29
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    September 27, 2010 at 1:08 pm
    @auburn So that is how it works in your world huh? Man you house must have been raided thousands of times
  68. Profile photo of auburnjunky
    auburnjunky Male 30-39
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    September 27, 2010 at 1:08 pm
    @drworm:

    "You really think that they can tap millions and millions of phones?"

    Yep. They use a computer to listen for keywords. Then if one is tripped, they listen to a recording of the call.
  69. Profile photo of moefreak
    moefreak Female 18-29
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    September 27, 2010 at 1:09 pm
    I`m willing to admit that I don`t exactly understand what they are talking about here. My grasp on some of these technological terms is lacking. I would also be willing to bet that a lot of this outrage is a little bit unwarranted, since many others may not fully understand what they are talking about here.

    I guess I`m going to wait for some more information before I get upset about it.
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    wellsy57 Male 50-59
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    September 27, 2010 at 1:09 pm
    Next week Obama will want us to all get chip implanted or a barcode tatoo. Oh crap! I might have just given Obama an idea `cause he probably just read this.
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    Luniz82 Male 18-29
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    September 27, 2010 at 1:10 pm
    an extreme example where everyone involved would have to be corrupt. You use it to incite fear into people and it ends up making you look ignorant.
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    madest Male 40-49
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    September 27, 2010 at 1:10 pm
    What Luniz seems to be discounting is they`re listening into all calls right now. No warrant needed, it`s called the patriot act. When anybody complains they claim they`re just listening in on calls that originate outside the US. I say they`re lying.
  73. Profile photo of auburnjunky
    auburnjunky Male 30-39
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    September 27, 2010 at 1:11 pm
    Once again. Well said Madest.

    Gotta agree with ya on that one.
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    auburnjunky Male 30-39
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    September 27, 2010 at 1:11 pm
    @luniz:

    Just an example of how it could be used against us.

    Also, search and seize warrants usually result in property destruction, even if nothing incriminating is found.
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    Angilion Male 40-49
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    September 27, 2010 at 1:12 pm
    ancy, its misleading because it gives the impression they`re gonna be monitoring everybody no matter what they`re doing. They can only get information on suspeced criminals after they get lawful authorization. They`re basically just updating the law that was already in place to include newer technologies.

    That`s exactly what was said about RIPA in the UK.

    It`s not true. Such laws are meant to be used for routine monitoring and they are used for that. The restrictions on their use are far looser than they`re stated to be and they become increasingly looser over time once the law is in place.
  76. Profile photo of Luniz82
    Luniz82 Male 18-29
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    September 27, 2010 at 1:12 pm
    Well madest that seems to be a matter of paranoid opinion. Show me some proof that they listen to every call. Could you imagine the people they would have to employ for that. Our economy would be way better off then it is now.
  77. Profile photo of Luniz82
    Luniz82 Male 18-29
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    September 27, 2010 at 1:14 pm
    Of course you have to agree with him on that one. He is the only other extremely paranoid person in this forum. Why not show up to his house and give him a BJ for agreeing with you.
  78. Profile photo of auburnjunky
    auburnjunky Male 30-39
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    September 27, 2010 at 1:14 pm
    @luniz:

    Why do you think so many government employees have been hired over the last 6 years? CONTROL in one way or another.

    That`s a totally different discussion though.
  79. Profile photo of Houk
    Houk Male 18-29
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    September 27, 2010 at 1:15 pm
    Well madest that seems to be a matter of paranoid opinion. Show me some proof that they listen to every call. Could you imagine the people they would have to employ for that. Our economy would be way better off then it is now.

    They doesn`t have to monitor every one, every where. Imagine they only monitor 1% population, and change the subject every other week. That would be fun, isn`t it?

    Besides, since when do we need human for a random job like monitoring others? Do you know that after 9/11, nearly 99% phone call in the US is tapped and search for terrorism-related terms, all by computer?
  80. Profile photo of Luniz82
    Luniz82 Male 18-29
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    September 27, 2010 at 1:15 pm
    and here we are 10% of our population unemployed. The government must be shipping those jobs over seas. The wars we are fighting have nothing to do with the increase in government employees.
  81. Profile photo of auburnjunky
    auburnjunky Male 30-39
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    September 27, 2010 at 1:16 pm
    Here`s the thing Luniz:

    He is a far left liberal, and very informed.

    It should seem strange that we agree so wholeheartedly on this, as I am a far right conservative.

    Or maybe it means that it`s WRONG!
  82. Profile photo of moefreak
    moefreak Female 18-29
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    September 27, 2010 at 1:16 pm
    "Do you know that after 9/11, nearly 99% phone call in the US is tapped and search for terrorism-related terms, all by computer?", really though? Where are you getting this information?
  83. Profile photo of Originalform
    Originalform Male 30-39
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    September 27, 2010 at 1:17 pm
    I`m proud to see that people are outraged at the invasion of privacy being imposed upon us. However it is cloaked a turd is still a turd.

    @madduck bravo!
  84. Profile photo of auburnjunky
    auburnjunky Male 30-39
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    September 27, 2010 at 1:17 pm
    "and here we are 10% of our population unemployed."

    21%

    10% just still claim checks for unemployment.
  85. Profile photo of Luniz82
    Luniz82 Male 18-29
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    September 27, 2010 at 1:18 pm
    So your mad cause a computer might have monitored your call? You use computers for everything these days they keep record of history and you leave your IP everywhere you go. How is that any different? Cell phone just another computer you talk into and then send your conversation over open airways to towers where it continues to travel in open airways. Satellite open airways also.. People can already be monitoring everything you do.
  86. Profile photo of drworm2002
    drworm2002 Male 30-39
    662 posts
    September 27, 2010 at 1:18 pm
    Officer: We saw this person talk about how weed should be legal. We think he may have marijuana. We need a warrant.

    Judge: Granted. Tear his house up and terrorize him for using his right to free speech.

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    Um, yea...not how it`s done...but thanks for playing we have some great parting gifts for you.
  87. Profile photo of Luniz82
    Luniz82 Male 18-29
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    September 27, 2010 at 1:19 pm
    they should of never said anything and nothing would of ever changed. Ignorance=bliss especially when the ignorant are not capable of intelligent thought.
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    Angelmassb Male 18-29
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    September 27, 2010 at 1:19 pm
    This proves it! Obama is the Antichrist!! Nah not really, cmon people get real
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    auburnjunky Male 30-39
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    September 27, 2010 at 1:19 pm
    "People can already be monitoring everything you do."

    Doesn`t make it right.

    Liberty is at stake here. It is sad you don`t see that.
  90. Profile photo of Luniz82
    Luniz82 Male 18-29
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    September 27, 2010 at 1:20 pm
    that just further proves my point that unemployment is even higher.
  91. Profile photo of auburnjunky
    auburnjunky Male 30-39
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    September 27, 2010 at 1:21 pm
    Um, yea...not how it`s done...but thanks for playing we have some great parting gifts for you.




    -------------------------

    Um, yea...not how it`s done...but thanks for playing we have some great parting gifts for you.

    It`s easy to say that right? Judges have ultimate power, and can be used.
  92. Profile photo of auburnjunky
    auburnjunky Male 30-39
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    September 27, 2010 at 1:22 pm
    Well if you account for working illegals, it`s more like 17% LOL!

    Let`s stay on topic. Sorry.
  93. Profile photo of Oystah
    Oystah Female 40-49
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    September 27, 2010 at 1:22 pm
    I`m not done being pissed about everything I buy being recorded by those stupid key tag things.
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    Luniz82 Male 18-29
    588 posts
    September 27, 2010 at 1:23 pm
    I guess the big corporations could be monitoring us instead. They don`t need a law to do it. They just do it. I would be more worried about that then the government doing it. Especially since I have nothing to hide I have done nothing wrong and will no be doing anything illegal anytime soon. Not like that are going to not like your conversation and frame you to get you out of the way. It would be cool cause that is what happens in the movies but highly unlikely. Paranoia
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    Kougaiji Male 18-29
    604 posts
    September 27, 2010 at 1:25 pm
    I think what madest means is that the government CAN, thanks to the patriot act, listen to any call based on any reason whatsoever-- ranging from spying on people with disagreeable policial views, to political opponents, protest organisers, court members/defendants, people who speak a different language, your average joe, or an actual terrorist (albeit unlikely considering that every joe schmoe terrorist knows about US domestic spying).

    Also people are unnecessary. Programs can and do handle most of the work in mass eavesdropping. If nothing else, computers can store all the important bits of conversation so that they can be looked up later if necessary.
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    Kougaiji Male 18-29
    604 posts
    September 27, 2010 at 1:26 pm
    @Luniz, lol, what do you think all those cookies are doing on your computer? Of course corporations spy on you. All the time in every way possible.
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    I-IS-BORED Male 18-29
    2419 posts
    September 27, 2010 at 1:31 pm
    Well unlike what the title of this post implies, my cellphone (not cell phone) is not named `Internet`.
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    TKD_Master Male 18-29
    4794 posts
    September 27, 2010 at 1:32 pm
    Who cares? It`s not like we fought to save the constitution (which is dead thanks to the patriot act, ironic naming haha). Why should we fight to save the interwebs or cell phones?
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    ruthless1990 Female 18-29
    3001 posts
    September 27, 2010 at 1:32 pm
    not that i care about American politics, but you know what they say, if you`ve got nothing to hide then what`s the problem?
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    fiizok Male 40-49
    591 posts
    September 27, 2010 at 1:32 pm
    "Barry supporters, please defend this."

    Come on, fancylad. I would have given you much more credit for intelligence than the above comment of yours suggests. It is entirely possible to support Obama and to also know that this attempted overreach of surveillance posers is completely detestable. Don`t be such a schmuck.
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    canusuck Male 30-39
    789 posts
    September 27, 2010 at 1:34 pm
    I, for one, welcome our new overlord.
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    auburnjunky Male 30-39
    10339 posts
    September 27, 2010 at 1:37 pm
    "not that i care about American politics, but you know what they say, if you`ve got nothing to hide then what`s the problem?"

    Totally not the point.

    See. Here in America, some of us embrace the concept of something called "Liberty" and "Born Free."

    Some of us, sadly, have given up on it.
  103. Profile photo of madest
    madest Male 40-49
    7378 posts
    September 27, 2010 at 1:46 pm
    Well madest that seems to be a matter of paranoid opinion. Show me some proof that they listen to every call.
    --------
    Were you born just yesterday? The Patriot Act gives the government the ability to search w/o a warrant. In order to tap a phone before the patriot act they needed to get a judges approval. They threw that out the door. They said it took too long. So this is what you got. Pay attention. Just because it sounds new to you, doesn`t mean the people saying it are paranoid. Look up the Partiot Act on Wikipedia, I`m sure it`ll support the "paranoid" view. Not only can they tap phones, they can search your home and never telly you they were there.
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    dax2009 Female 50-59
    322 posts
    September 27, 2010 at 1:49 pm
    ohhh I`ve got a headache now
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    Chinchilla9 Female 18-29
    89 posts
    September 27, 2010 at 1:58 pm
    How does that song go.... "I`m proud to be an American, where at least I know I`m free"

    You people will eventually have soldiers breaking down your doors and shooting your family, and you`ll STILL claim you`re free.
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    SPARTAKITTY Female 18-29
    2120 posts
    September 27, 2010 at 1:58 pm
    I don`t really, mind. I`m not going to be discussing my terrorist plans over the phone or internet anyways.

    I`m using telepathy.
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    Star_Beast Male 18-29
    127 posts
    September 27, 2010 at 2:00 pm
    Cellular Telephone... Cell Phone, like Cordless Phone?! WHOA. Rufus did NOT tell us the Future was THIS friendly.. EXCELLENT!!! *air guitar*
    I`d like to think that I am entitled to privacy on my own cellphone, the last thing I need is for Uncle Sam to be listening in on my late night freaky phone calls to Miss Cleo!
  108. Profile photo of Baalthazaq
    Baalthazaq Male 18-29
    4548 posts
    September 27, 2010 at 2:05 pm
    Wait wait wait.

    So is there anyone here who was opposed to both Bush and Obama doing it, or for Bush and Obama doing it?

    I personally am fine with the government tapping whichever mediums are out there (Skype should not be legally different to phones), provided spurious reasoning to tap (ala the Patriot Act) are removed.
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    moefreak Female 18-29
    1963 posts
    September 27, 2010 at 2:08 pm
    Baalthazaq, agreed.
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    auburnjunky Male 30-39
    10339 posts
    September 27, 2010 at 2:10 pm
    @baal:

    I am opposed to both.
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    sawdusty Male 40-49
    491 posts
    September 27, 2010 at 2:17 pm
    The way most douchebags talk loudly on their phones what would be the difference?
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    Spider_sol Male 18-29
    1452 posts
    September 27, 2010 at 2:29 pm
    I`m sorry, I`m with the Google`s Eric Schmidt on this one. If you don`t want your phone lines/internet posts or chats tapped maybe you shouldn`t be doing what you are doing.

    The people who hate the cops are the ones who get in trouble for breaking the law. I`m all for this.

    Of course this is all "in theory" crap. The problems arise when corrupt people get a hold of this information. Then you have insider stock info, crooked "internet police" knowing your passwords and account info, etc.
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    auburnjunky Male 30-39
    10339 posts
    September 27, 2010 at 2:33 pm
    @spider sol:

    What if I want to talk dirty to my sweetheart across country? maybe I won`t want to do that when I think someone is listening?

    What if someone`s kinky sex dream is to be called bin Laden while they have cyber sex? Wouldn`t that throw up some red flags?

    Kinky bitch: Put your bomb in there bin Laden! Do it now!

    Cyber police: Sir, we got one! Move in!
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    moefreak Female 18-29
    1963 posts
    September 27, 2010 at 2:37 pm
    auburnjunky... this is a legitimate concern for you?
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    auburnjunky Male 30-39
    10339 posts
    September 27, 2010 at 2:45 pm
    HAHAHA! I knew it!

    No Moe. Just an example.
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    premierwondr Male 18-29
    975 posts
    September 27, 2010 at 2:56 pm
    Alright auburn can you give a more legitimate example then?

    On one hand I love my freedom, on the other hand I love my safety. I don`t know how I feel about the act to be honest.
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    Trojan Male 18-29
    511 posts
    September 27, 2010 at 2:57 pm
    Uh oh, he`s reported it to the cyber police! CONSEQUENCES WILL NEVER BE THE SAME!
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    ZNaught Male 13-17
    351 posts
    September 27, 2010 at 2:58 pm
    @Spider_sol: That is quite sad. Why don`t we get rid of all our personal liberties away? Your attitude is just facilitating this sort of thing. "HURR DURR, IF YOU ARE WORRIED ABOUT THEM SPYING ON YOU, DONT DO ANYTHING BAD LOLOLOL."

    "They came first for the Communists,
    and I didn`t speak up because I wasn`t a Communist.

    Then they came for the trade unionists,
    and I didn`t speak up because I wasn`t a trade unionist.

    Then they came for the Jews,
    and I didn`t speak up because I wasn`t a Jew.

    Then they came for me
    and by that time no one was left to speak up."
  119. Profile photo of madest
    madest Male 40-49
    7378 posts
    September 27, 2010 at 3:00 pm
    This is a legitimate concern for all Americans, at least it should be. Every time we allow our government to chip away at our constitutional rights we lose a piece of what being American is about. We can fight terrorism without tapping anyones communication. Imagine the manpower needed to sift through all this information. Our taxes are wasted on these secret cabals of information gathering that don`t protect us one iota.
  120. Profile photo of ZNaught
    ZNaught Male 13-17
    351 posts
    September 27, 2010 at 3:01 pm
    @premierwondr: "They who can give up essential liberty to obtain a little temporary safety, deserve neither liberty nor safety." ~ Benjamin Franklin
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    auburnjunky Male 30-39
    10339 posts
    September 27, 2010 at 3:05 pm
    Methinks the right and left leaning libertarians finally have something to agree on.

    Awesome Znaught.

    Agreed Madest.
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    moefreak Female 18-29
    1963 posts
    September 27, 2010 at 3:07 pm
    I think that this is a huge overreaction to what seems to me like an extension of existing laws that are just being adapted to work with new(ish) technology.
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    vorpalsword Male 18-29
    1452 posts
    September 27, 2010 at 3:13 pm
    soon the definition for terrorist would be: anyone that disagrees with our government, then that definition would change to every American citizen
  124. Profile photo of NotTHATbored
    NotTHATbored Female 18-29
    1101 posts
    September 27, 2010 at 3:14 pm
    Anyone who thinks that this ok is an idiot. You can`t just say that this is ok because you have nothing to hide. I have nothing to hide in my house, is it ok for the police to just come in and search it without a reason? Heck no! This is invasive and people have a right to privacy. Besides why should I trust my personal information with a government that is less than transparent itself?
  125. Profile photo of ElMustache
    ElMustache Male 18-29
    1625 posts
    September 27, 2010 at 3:15 pm
    You didnt have any problem with it when bush was illegally wiretapping you.
  126. Profile photo of ZNaught
    ZNaught Male 13-17
    351 posts
    September 27, 2010 at 3:17 pm
    @ElMustache: No, the progressive republicans didn`t. Not anymore than the progressive democrats don`t have a problem with this despite them having a fit over Bush doing it.

    Does this make either of them right?
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    NotTHATbored Female 18-29
    1101 posts
    September 27, 2010 at 3:18 pm
    Also I agree with Maddest there are other ways to fight terrorism, and in my opinion even if this was enacted, they would still find new ways of getting around it.
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    gorgack2000 Male 13-17
    4682 posts
    September 27, 2010 at 3:18 pm
    @ZNaught- "Humanitarianism is the expression of stupidity and cowardice."
    Adolf Hitler.

    ^Another quote by a very famous person. Does that make it true? No.
  129. Profile photo of NotTHATbored
    NotTHATbored Female 18-29
    1101 posts
    September 27, 2010 at 3:19 pm
    @ElMustache I am a "liberal" and I have a huge problem with it. I also thought it was wrong when Bush did it. Thank you.
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    auburnjunky Male 30-39
    10339 posts
    September 27, 2010 at 3:21 pm
    @ElMustache I am a "conservative" and I have a huge problem with it. I also thought it was wrong when Bush did it. Thank you.
  131. Profile photo of CrakrJak
    CrakrJak Male 40-49
    17514 posts
    September 27, 2010 at 3:21 pm
    So, How do you liberals like your `Change` Now ?
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    SmilinSam Female 18-29
    3599 posts
    September 27, 2010 at 3:24 pm
    haha i love the title of this link, Obama wants to... seriously? OBAMA did it! he`s the devil!! dude, he`s a face, he`s a scapegoat for the the larger evil just like every president before him...
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    darkgear6 Male 70 & Over
    1378 posts
    September 27, 2010 at 3:24 pm
    We the people, probably can`t do squat about these corrupt punks` ideas
  134. Profile photo of splurbyburbl
    splurbyburbl Male 30-39
    2798 posts
    September 27, 2010 at 3:27 pm
    "haha i love the title of this link, Obama wants to... seriously? OBAMA did it! he`s the devil!! dude, he`s a face, he`s a scapegoat for the the larger evil just like every president before him..."

    "So is there anyone here who was opposed to both Bush and Obama doing it, or for Bush and Obama doing it?"

    I have deep reservations about both doing it. Not saying *some of it is not necessary, but the implications are scary.

    Oh, and for the record... I do think Obama is a useless president, but I don`t blame him for this necessarily. I do, however, blame him for many more things. Ashamed he is my commander in chief...
  135. Profile photo of moefreak
    moefreak Female 18-29
    1963 posts
    September 27, 2010 at 3:27 pm
    CrakrJak, I love it. Thanks for asking. This particular change obviously hasn`t happened yet, and I`m not well enough informed to feel very strongly about it, but I`m pretty confident that it isn`t some evil scheme to "steal our libuhrties and freedums".
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    almightybob1 Male 18-29
    4290 posts
    September 27, 2010 at 3:28 pm
    So, How do you liberals like your `Change` Now ?
    Yeah, because you`d never catch a Republican at this kind of thing.
    What was Nixon again?
  137. Profile photo of ZNaught
    ZNaught Male 13-17
    351 posts
    September 27, 2010 at 3:30 pm
    @gorgack2000: Adolf Hitler: Led his country to start the largest and deadliest war in history. Murdered millions of jews.

    Benjamin Franklin: Was a scientist, committed much of his time improving the lives of American Citizens through the post office, volunteer fire company, etc.

    Fair comparison, thank you for that insightful comment.
  138. Profile photo of ZNaught
    ZNaught Male 13-17
    351 posts
    September 27, 2010 at 3:31 pm
    @@gorgack2000: There is also a difference between "famous" and "infamous"
  139. Profile photo of propagandi
    propagandi Male 40-49
    726 posts
    September 27, 2010 at 3:32 pm
    It is the duty of every patriot to protect his country from its government.
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    SchrdngrsCat Female 18-29
    23 posts
    September 27, 2010 at 3:40 pm
    If Obama truly wanted to change this country he would`ve pushed hard for Senate term limits. Career politicians are killing this country. However, seeing as Obama himself is a career politician, he wouldn`t do anything this suicidal.
    I`m especially disappointed in how Obama is treating gays and lesbians. He hasn`t gone through with one promise he made towards GLBT. While not as bad as Bush, Obama`s right above him.
  141. Profile photo of Amurika
    Amurika Male 30-39
    282 posts
    September 27, 2010 at 3:45 pm
    This falls under the same thing as if you could, possibly somehow, get everyone in America to turn their cable TV off the Orwellian govnernment would induce marshal law, simply because it would make the government paranoid.
  142. Profile photo of ZNaught
    ZNaught Male 13-17
    351 posts
    September 27, 2010 at 3:46 pm
    @SchrdngrsCat: If anything he is worse than bush. He is threatening even more of our liberties AND he passed health care and many more bail outs.
  143. Profile photo of CodeJockey
    CodeJockey Male 40-49
    5611 posts
    September 27, 2010 at 3:46 pm
    "So, How do you liberals like your `Change` Now ?"

    Look, you hyper critical right-winger:
    " to be technically capable of complying if served with a >>>>>wiretap order.<<<<<"

    Do you know how hard it is to get a wire tap warrent? They damn near have to already prove you did something and need to know where you did it. It`s not the least bit as fast as TV.

    Compare that to your "actually used against college professors and political rivals" "We can tap your sh%t WITHOUT A WARRENT" Pariot Act.

    Crybabies.
  144. Profile photo of ZNaught
    ZNaught Male 13-17
    351 posts
    September 27, 2010 at 3:51 pm
    @CodeJockey: You act as if Obama got rid of the Patriot Act. Last time I checked, he EXTENDED it.
  145. Profile photo of 5Cats
    5Cats Male 50-59
    32761 posts
    September 27, 2010 at 3:52 pm
    Y`all know that Obama re-signed the Patriot Act when he entered office? Y`all know that he personally OK`d it?

    6 pages of "Blame Bush" and "Bush was Worse" and "It`s not Obama`s fault!"
    *sigh*
    liberal = denial...
  146. Profile photo of CrakrJak
    CrakrJak Male 40-49
    17514 posts
    September 27, 2010 at 3:52 pm
    almightybob1: Obama makes Nixon look like a kid that stole a candy bar.
  147. Profile photo of Amurika
    Amurika Male 30-39
    282 posts
    September 27, 2010 at 3:52 pm
    And those who shout rhetoric like "those damn Dems or those damn Liberals" or whatever name you need to fulfill your ego`s can kiss that $hit goodbye. The days of honest voting have been tossed out long ago. We now live in a fascist regime whether you like it or not. It does not matter one iota what you believe in, if the crazy politicians believe in something then you are SO screwed you will need to learn Braille just to live the rest of your life.
  148. Profile photo of ZNaught
    ZNaught Male 13-17
    351 posts
    September 27, 2010 at 4:02 pm
    @Amurika: Yeah, lets just give up. Stop voting. A lot will be accomplished that way.
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    Salted_Eggs Male 18-29
    774 posts
    September 27, 2010 at 4:14 pm
    Why is everyone so much on the up and up about internet security? Why? It`s not going to stop anything if they do put this into action. Shouldn`t the government be focused on more pressing matters?
    Like:
    The economy
    E.Coli in food
    Getting homeless in a house
    Finding a REAL solution to crime and poverty.

    Is it because this is too hard that they just decide that they`re going to focus on the internet? You want to know what`s on the internet Mr. Government? LOLcats, LOLcats and viruses.
    Oh and porn.

    That`s it, get a grip.
  150. Profile photo of CodeJockey
    CodeJockey Male 40-49
    5611 posts
    September 27, 2010 at 4:30 pm
    "LOLcats, LOLcats and viruses.
    Oh and porn."
    That is the wrong order.
    It`s:
    Porn 60% of legitimate traffic
    Virus/worm or spam 95% of e-mail
    then "can I has cheeseburger?"

    The internet is for porn. This can only lead to one thing:
    *Miami Vice "Bug Van" rockin` and squeakin` while Zeto smokes on the sidewalk...*
  151. Profile photo of splurbyburbl
    splurbyburbl Male 30-39
    2798 posts
    September 27, 2010 at 4:52 pm
    "@Amurika: Yeah, lets just give up. Stop voting. A lot will be accomplished that way."

    Actually that is not a bad idea. Can you imagine what would happen if absolutely zero people voted in a presidential election? I think that would send a clear message: Every voting American is sick of `business as usual` politics!

    It would be epic and the changes in Government would be drastic. Not only that but it would be the most profound and country altering peaceful protest any country has ever seen. And while there are plenty of reasons to vote... there are equally good reasons for both major party voters to not vote.
  152. Profile photo of ZNaught
    ZNaught Male 13-17
    351 posts
    September 27, 2010 at 5:03 pm
    @splurbyburbl: No. The ones who want to screw the country over (progressives) would vote anyway.
  153. Profile photo of tridirk
    tridirk Male 50-59
    313 posts
    September 27, 2010 at 5:20 pm
    LOL... Libs/Dems/Progressives and their opponents say whatever it takes to put them in power. Then they do what they want, which is usually what the other guys did and they ran against.

    Oh... and anyone that disagrees is evil, stupid, not educated, etc.
  154. Profile photo of Luniz82
    Luniz82 Male 18-29
    588 posts
    September 27, 2010 at 5:33 pm
    @Kougaiji I know that was my point. I would rather have the government watching me then some corporation but you never hear people complain about that.
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    whocares3725 Male 18-29
    310 posts
    September 27, 2010 at 6:20 pm
    @splurbyburbl Well for one, there will always be a dickhead who would vote anyways.

    And two, it wouldn`t matter, since the Electoral College would then choose the president.
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    VikingGuy Male 18-29
    2160 posts
    September 27, 2010 at 6:57 pm
    meh, politics, and the only real difference here is hes the first face to have it openly pinned to it instead of it all being under the table and the people who know it being counted in with the tinfoil hat brigade
  157. Profile photo of splurbyburbl
    splurbyburbl Male 30-39
    2798 posts
    September 27, 2010 at 7:05 pm
    "@splurbyburbl Well for one, there will always be a dickhead who would vote anyways.

    And two, it wouldn`t matter, since the Electoral College would then choose the president."

    I know all this and my point is moot really, but I was speaking hypothetically, because I know it isn`t possible to get every single voter to not vote no matter what. But electoral college or not... the message would be massive and profound, Government would then know it cannot rule roughly 300 million pissed off citizens the way they have. Instead Government would know it is dropping the ball and therefore make stuff happen in favor of its citizens.

    Just a thought.
  158. Profile photo of sbeelz
    sbeelz Male 30-39
    2868 posts
    September 27, 2010 at 7:24 pm
    You know, I didn`t buy the idea that Obama was going to bring RADICAL change to the White House- but I thought at least he`d reverse some of Bush`s worst policies. Instead, he`s upping the ante. Another case in point.
  159. Profile photo of sbeelz
    sbeelz Male 30-39
    2868 posts
    September 27, 2010 at 7:45 pm
    @splurbyburbl
    As it is, only about half the country votes anyway. Elected officials know that Americans are extremely dissatisfied, yet they continue politics as usual. The only way I see any real change coming about in this country is for people of low to middle income- the vast majority of Americans- to break through the divide and conquer scheme that the Republicans and Democrats use to stay in power. By setting aside issues like immigration, homosexuality, global warming, and prayer in schools, people of moderate means might actually be able to find some common ground- and might actually challenge the stranglehold that the corporate sector has on political power.

    That being said, I have absolutely no hope of that actually happening.
  160. Profile photo of NotTHATbored
    NotTHATbored Female 18-29
    1101 posts
    September 27, 2010 at 7:55 pm
    @SmilinSam "haha i love the title of this link, Obama wants to... seriously? OBAMA did it! he`s the devil!! dude, he`s a face, he`s a scapegoat for the the larger evil just like every president before him..."

    Well... He does have to sign the bill, so yes if this gets passed he will in fact have done it. Unless he says no and 2/3 of the senate overide him, but I`m betting he`ll sign.
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    vorpalsword Male 18-29
    1452 posts
    September 27, 2010 at 8:14 pm
    "Goodbye, Fancylad.
    Goodbye, IAB.

    I`m going the way of Buddy."

    how dare IAB posts factual info that goes against your political views, dude leave the willful ignorance to the republicans. Plus you haven`t submitted any links so please... get the fu*k out
  162. Profile photo of vorpalsword
    vorpalsword Male 18-29
    1452 posts
    September 27, 2010 at 8:17 pm
    and Gorgack2000 don`t compare Benjamin Franklin to Adolf Hitler... ever, even if that wasn`t your intent
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    superrey19 Male 18-29
    25 posts
    September 27, 2010 at 8:18 pm
    hmm misleading title as I`m pretty sure Obama had nothing to do with this bill.
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    Fatninja01 Male 30-39
    25420 posts
    September 27, 2010 at 8:33 pm
    Wow, imagine all the boring conversations, or if they like goss freaks, imaging what would happen if they were talking about someone they knew like, i heard "jimmy" slept with "Sally" while dating Julie and married to "Sally2" imagine if sally2 was the tapper, o the lolz that would progress!
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    jg0nz Male 18-29
    113 posts
    September 27, 2010 at 8:53 pm
    Oh yeah. Obama himself wants to see your n00dz.
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    OldOllie Male 60-69
    15841 posts
    September 27, 2010 at 9:03 pm
    C`mon, admit it; if this story were about Bush, you libs would be screaming bloody murder.
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    keith2 Male 30-39
    2588 posts
    September 27, 2010 at 9:25 pm
    We`re already phukked.. they`ve put a breathalyzer machine in my freakin bedroom hows that for invasion of privacy? so what if i had 3 beers n drove home. big deal. its so up-played just so they can infringe on our rights and rape our wallets. yea i`m out $6K right now. and don`t give me that dont do the crime if you cant blah blah blah I aint do nothin that your daddy and your daddy`s daddy have done for ages. end rant.
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    keith2 Male 30-39
    2588 posts
    September 27, 2010 at 9:26 pm
    plus i had to sign a waiver giving up my 4th amendment rights.
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    sbeelz Male 30-39
    2868 posts
    September 27, 2010 at 9:28 pm
    OldOllie is right- if you criticized Bush for this poo, and you voted for Obama, and you`re trying to make excuses for him now, then you`re a hypocrite. Obama is the chief executive, and he has veto power- as well as influence over his own party- he bears responsibility here.

    In a way, I hate Obama`s presidency even more than I hated Bush`s- because I REALLY wanted to believe Obama`s bullpoo about change. I never had any doubt that Bush was going to do horrible things.
  170. Profile photo of sbeelz
    sbeelz Male 30-39
    2868 posts
    September 27, 2010 at 9:34 pm
    @keith2-
    They go way too far when it comes to drunk driving. I DO think that it`s reasonable to suspend a person`s licence- and revoke it entirely for repeat offences. Driving a car isn`t a right, and if you can`t do it safely, you shouldn`t be able to maintain a licence to do it. Though last I checked, you can get your licence suspended much quicker for drunk driving- which is illegal because it makes you statistically more likely to cause an accident- than you can for actually causing accidents while sober. Ridiculous.

    However- I agree that this business of making people go to AA, and monitoring their blood alcohol at home is fcuking absurd.
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    Luniz82 Male 18-29
    588 posts
    September 27, 2010 at 9:56 pm
    Drunk driver get what they deserve. You could of killed someones dad or mom or worse baby. This invasion of privacy will make you think twice before your dumba$$ does it again.
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    premierwondr Male 18-29
    975 posts
    September 27, 2010 at 10:05 pm
    Well the reason I`m willing to `give up my liberty` to search for unlawful material is because my parents work in NYC. I want whatever technology we have to keep them safe. Maybe being so far removed from a likely terrorist strike location makes this less about your safety and more about being robbed of liberties.
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    slut_etta Female 50-59
    3849 posts
    September 27, 2010 at 11:13 pm
    i`m glad i`m an aging slut and won`t have to put up with this governmental BS for too many more years.
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    madduck Female 50-59
    7552 posts
    September 27, 2010 at 11:34 pm
    I notice how many people buy the line that the innocent have nothing to fear. They are the ones who have most to fear, if you are criminal then your actions are already placing you in danger, but innocent people are putting themselves into a position where they could be treated as a wrong doer. Safety does not always trump freedom. Every time it should be balanced, this is( as other similar laws) too sweeping. If I put you in a cage, feed you, exercise you and medicate you, then you are safe. You are also a zoo animal.
  175. Profile photo of Anger
    Anger Male 18-29
    218 posts
    September 27, 2010 at 11:36 pm
    they say they want to spy on us to protect us from terrorists but i just dont believe them
  176. Profile photo of Kougaiji
    Kougaiji Male 18-29
    604 posts
    September 28, 2010 at 12:13 am
    In this thread: people who have never read 1984.

    Also, people who couldn`t possibly imagine that the "doing nothing wrong" today may punishable by labor camps tomorrow

    (yes I`m drawing to an extreme but the point is things change. see how you have a right to assembly, but groups such as Food Not Bombs and Iraq Veteran Against The War, among others, are on the "Terrorist Watchlist". Intimidating to fight for what you believe in when the government paints you as a potential enemy of the state.

    See how you have "right to protest" but that right is often today limited to certain approved areas of the city at certain approved times and dates, where you may not ever enter the street, crowd a sidewalk, stand by a business.

    You think the politicians you`re protesting against will allow you a free pass at besmirching them? Lol, see the DNC and RNC protest intimidation. Heh, see kent state.)

    It goes beyond "HURR DURR
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    Corpsecrank Male 30-39
    930 posts
    September 28, 2010 at 12:39 am
    The point of this type of this is to adapt current wiretap laws to that of a modern world. There would still need to be a reason for them to tap your computer or smart phone and intercept IMs and emails etc. It would essentially be no different than the old phone tap laws. A warrant signed by a judge must be present before a tap can be used.

    But on a side note how many freelance programmers will write tap protection software to combat this type of tap? I can see a whole new digital battle raging between hackers and government much like game hackers creating cheats and game developers creating counter measures.
  178. Profile photo of Intaresting
    Intaresting Male 18-29
    812 posts
    September 28, 2010 at 2:47 am
    I`m so disappointed in your pooty government, America.
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    Solvent Male 18-29
    2842 posts
    September 28, 2010 at 3:22 am
    How long until we go to war with Eastasia?
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    CrakrJak Male 40-49
    17514 posts
    September 28, 2010 at 3:47 am

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    mal_BB Male 18-29
    1231 posts
    September 28, 2010 at 4:13 am
    George Orwell told us so.
    If this is what the American government want, then the wire tapping should be limited to traffic within their country. They are not the world police, and, hopefully never will be.
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    Chaim Male 30-39
    167 posts
    September 28, 2010 at 5:25 am
    This is all just slight of hand, they already intercept all comm`s. Look to see what is slipping by unnoticed.
  183. Profile photo of Durrell
    Durrell Male 18-29
    136 posts
    September 28, 2010 at 5:46 am
    my issue with this is that the internet is an internationally operated system that isn`t even `hubbed` in the US. Tapping into your phone lines, and your cells in fine as far as i`m concerned. i just don`t feel that a foreign country has any right to be tapping into my countries communications. It`s not their right.

    I know they would do it anyways, its the fact they are trying to justify it as if it was perfectly ok to look into another counties affairs for them.

    It`s wrong. the US needs to stop thinking it runs the world. it is less then 5% of the world population, and no matter how powerful they may be they have no right to regulate or monitor things in other countries
  184. Profile photo of idiotfilter
    idiotfilter Male 18-29
    3916 posts
    September 28, 2010 at 10:48 am
    You just lost one of your best supporters Obama....

    ...and to think i would have voted for you...
  185. Profile photo of madduck
    madduck Female 50-59
    7552 posts
    September 28, 2010 at 12:26 pm
    They are indeed grabbing all they can- hopefully there is so much stuff they can`t go through it all. But a wire-tap law would make it much easier. It is however the principle- as always- if you allow this to go unchallenged then you are permitting the erosion of your liberties. One should never, ever permit anyone, government, police, army to exceed their lawful rights. If you feel a new law is being passed which will further erode your rights then object. See your MP, write to everyone you can think of. Go out on the streets and use your right to peaceful protest- you may well not have that freedom next year.
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    8BitHero Male 18-29
    5414 posts
    September 28, 2010 at 3:40 pm
    Oh well, I don`t live in the US SO YAY!
    Back to phone sex with E.T
  187. Profile photo of Gleeballs
    Gleeballs Female 18-29
    850 posts
    September 28, 2010 at 5:14 pm
    one more step to a world government
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    elHadji Male 70 & Over
    1455 posts
    September 29, 2010 at 8:14 am
    On a second thought, I don`t think it would work for you guys in the US. It works for us because we`re a socialist country where the people and the government actually trust each other.

    You guys wouldn`t last a year.
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    Mindless2164 Male 18-29
    499 posts
    September 29, 2010 at 1:32 pm
    Considering I`m not a terrorist, I don`t really care.

    I can see why you would be upset if you were a terrorist and you`re sharing top secret intel over the internet or your cellphone, but normal people won`t have to worry about it at all.
  190. Profile photo of NotTHATbored
    NotTHATbored Female 18-29
    1101 posts
    September 29, 2010 at 5:42 pm
    @Mindless then you really are mindless! Just because you don`t have anything to hide in your house doesn`t mean you want the police barging in without a warrent! Same with your e-mail, your text messages, etc. It`s about a right to privacy. Not to mention it opens up backdoors for other people to access our private information.

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