Ladies: What NOT To Do At Work [Pic]

Submitted by: fancylad 7 years ago in Funny

Citibank"s human resources geniuses created this list for their female employees. Works good at every job, no?
There are 181 comments:
Female 75
I hate it when guys shake hands like they have a hand around your throat. It`s sad that they feel they have to prove how masculine they are..
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Male 43
"...therefore you are not get taken seriously."
WTF?
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Male 31
lol funny, kinda insulting, but quite true.
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Female 188
no, not insulting.Pretty helpful.
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Male 7
i wouldn`t like it if a woman shook my hand like a man
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Female 1,356
funny... but still insulting
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Female 1,963
CodeJockey, one instance does not a trend make. I have many nurse friends, most of them quite dainty females, and they can handle (and do handle) a lot of heavy lifting. I doubt that male nurses deserve to get paid more purely because they are capable of (in some cases) lifting a heavier load.
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Female 40
-_-;;

It`s thing like this that remind me that we are still so far behind the times...

If a woman acts like these rule suggest she`s called a ball-busting b***h who boned her way to the top, but if she doesn`t and acts like a woman is expected to by men she`s passed over for one of the "good ol`boys".
I smell farm animal fecal matter.
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Female 614
kmrocky: looks like someone finds herself to be guilty of several wrongdoings listed here.

these, however offended you may be by them, are facts about the work world. it was written by a woman who realizes this, and wants to help stubborn people like you.
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Male 6,693
I like my office. Corner and a window.
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Male 257
one good pump, says it all really....
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Female 250
I`m confused.
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Male 49
KMRocky, it says on the bottom that it was written by a Lois P Frankel Ph.D. I believe to be a name given to females. Learn to read. And good job hunting.
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Female 324
This I`m guessing was written by a man....a single man, who`s most likely a virgin, in his 30s, and living in his mom`s basement.

And this is why he will never get laid.
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Male 5,189
Sounds like my manager needs this. But she`s still cool :D.
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Male 94
I like how people don`t understand the fundamentals of trends and statistics. On the article: the article expresses that females are more likely to follow these behaviors- this is true thus helping a general intended audience NOT an individual. The individual statistic does not matter as she is not talking TO someone in particular. Second off, these traits express decisiveness and assertiveness traits which simply are stronger. A leader who second guesses is a poor leader. These traits listed exhibit associated qualities in the human psyche. Even guys can learn from this though. Point is you may not like it but this has truth to it, as it was as the advisory note says based on a study. You can choose to ignore it but you reap what you sow.
Many times stereotypes or generalizations have truth but it is folly to judge an individual on them as I said it has nothing to do with the individual.
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Male 10,338
"I doubt that male nurses deserve to get paid more purely because they are capable of (in some cases) lifting a heavier load."

That`s EXACTLY why they deserve to get paid more...

Didn`t we do this before?
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Female 1,963
CodeJockey, one instance does not a trend make. I have many nurse friends, most of them quite dainty females, and they can handle (and do handle) a lot of heavy lifting. I doubt that male nurses deserve to get paid more purely because they are capable of (in some cases) lifting a heavier load.
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Male 10,338
"I`m the type of woman who see a stripper as empowered by the weakness of men, and not their slaves."

THIS!
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Female 63
This makes me sad on so many levels.

Also: "...therefore you are not get taken seriously."
Seriously?
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Male 1,243
Go on then nerocon, what`s the meaning we are missing here?

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Male 65
lol, looks like the majority of you TOTALLY missed the meaning of this. THAT is even more funny then the image.
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Male 12,365
[quote]If a woman wants to get ahead in a company and taken seriously then she will have to take on some male traits and just get on with it.[/quote]

It is impossible by definition for anyone who isn`t male to take on any male trait. A male trait is limited to people who are male - that`s what it means. It`s also implied that it`s impossible for someone who is male to *not* have that trait.

There aren`t any sexed traits. There are gendered traits, though, with varying degrees of masculinity and femininity.

I`m not being pedantic - it`s a hugely important distinction.

The idea of sexing traits and other things gives only two options that can never change and forces everyone to comply to one or the other depending on their sex.

The idea of gendered traits and other things is descriptive rather than definitive, so it allows for change and has a spectrum of options and allows anyone to be at any point on that spectrum. That`s a massive d
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Male 12,365
[quote]Jesus. I don`t understand how people can`t get this: Men and Women are different.[/quote]

Whereas I do understand why many people can`t get this: Individuals are different.

It`s common for people to divide humanity into two groups on some biological basis, lump one group together as "all the same", lump the other group together as "all the same" and therefore be able to conclude that the two groups are fundamentally different.

What I do find bizarre is when people who do that genuinely think they are acknowledging differences and criticise people who don`t do it for not acknowledging differences. I don`t get that - how can anyone get it so backwards? Sameness is not difference. Difference is not sameness. How can anyone confuse the two?
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Male 1,243
The stone cold fact is that we live in a male dominated society, this isn`t going to change and is simply the nature of our species, without this aspect procreation would grind to halt. We are really still animals, no matter how much we may think we have evolved. If a woman wants to get ahead in a company and taken seriously then she will have to take on some male traits and just get on with it. Nearly everyone, male or female, puts on a `work face` and modifys there behaveour for work so it`s not really a big deal. Now, bitch go make me a sandwich! (humour)
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Female 25
Jesus. I don`t understand how people can`t get this: Men and Women are different.

They just ARE. Our minds work in different ways, it`s been PROVEN. Have you ever wondered why 90% or women work as waitreses and and the kitchen is made of 90% men? Because women smile pretty. They know how to put on a good face to make bank. Women can control men SO easily.

Then again, I`m the type of woman who see a stripper as empowered by the weakness of men, and not their slaves.
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Female 1,048
DMoneys36 - Dude which dark age did you come out of? When women do all of this in a corporate setting they`re immediately labeled as either: lesbian or a ball-buster. Damned if you do or damned is you don`t!
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Male 40,734
(joke mode)
WOW! Look at all the IAB ladies who are using this chart effectively!
Not passive, assuming a dominant position, speaking out, not asking permission - informing!
Well done!
Kinda... sexxxy!
(end joke mode)

Ok, I couldn`t decide if that was joking or sarcasm, lolz! I do mean the positive parts though, MOST women know how to express themselves, the few who still are clueless do great harm.
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Male 221
oh shuuuusshhh ladies! It`s true! and it`s good advice, so don`t be ignorant. Take it into consideration.
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Female 1,324
Ugh. I hate this. -.- and TKD_Master, go kick yourself in the nuts >>
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Female 9,572
Remind me not to read that book they sited at the bottom...
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Female 56
I used to work for Citibank- they`re a bunch of non-nice individuals.
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Male 174
This is exactly what they teach women in business schools - my mom learned specifically how to shake hands properly.

The fact that this Lois Frankel wrote these things doesn`t make her sexist, she`s simply responding to a sexist environment, which the business world most definitely is. The fact that most women do these things in the first place is the result of growing up in chauvinist societies and the unfortunate truth is that to get their foot in the door women have to behave a certain way to gain credibility.
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Male 440
#10 is foreplay and sex.
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Male 4,793
"So this is basically telling women how to act like men in the work place? "

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Yes. There is a reason we are paid more, people like the way we do our poo.
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Male 192
"Women tend to smile inappropriately - when delivering a message, therefore you are not get taken seriously"

Fail.
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Female 1,077
i`d do all of these just to piss people off.
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Female 196
So this is basically telling women how to act like men in the work place?

And I love how it pins men and women down to stereotypical behaviour, inferring those behaviours are due to one`s gender.

"women tend to operate behind the scenes" Maybe that`s because a huge part of the human civilization has been/is so incredibly sexist and it`s been integrated so well into everyday life that no one notices anymore. Maybe women are socially forced to hand over the credit or apologize because they are treated as inferior in many places.

Lois Frankel is an extremely sexist jerk. None of these things listed would hinder a person`s work ethic or productive value. They are all superfluous social suggestions based on irrational social "rules".
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Male 975
Women can in a way be sexist against themselves.
My mom has a book from the 1930s written by a women about how women should conduct themselves.
In the dating chapter one rule in particular jumped out at me.
It was along the lines of `Do not talk about books or politics as this will make you seem smart.`

Another point I`d like to make is about the early Zionists in Russia.
During in the 19th century Jewish theologians were writing books that seemed largely antisemitic and their purpose was to spur assimilation to make Jews `safer` in Christian nations.

It`s the same idea, remove the traits that generally define yourself as a gender/religion and you will succeed.

It`s pretty drating stupid.
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Male 1,451
CapnAwesome, it was written by a woman. The bottom clearly says "by Lois P Frankel"
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Male 21
Dr. Lois Frankel looks republican.
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Male 236
wow is it just me, or is this extremely sexist?
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Female 4,084
if a woman acts like a `woman` then she`s a pushover or stupid. but if she`s assertive and positive then she`s a lesbian. society needs to make up its f-ing mind already.
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Male 1,064
Thats damn good advice and involves no stereotypes whatsoever. Over-sensitive women FTL
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Male 599
Since when do women play fair?
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Male 153
is it more sad that this book actually exists or that it was actually written by a woman www.drloisfrankel.com
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Male 2,788
They see me trollin`
They hatin.
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Female 41
Sexist FTL
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Female 579
wait, is it a him?
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Female 579
THEY SEE HIM TROLLIN`, THEY HATIN`
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Male 699
lois p. frankle is one badass troll
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Male 741
Speaking first doesn`t make you sound smarter, because no matter how many time you talk first if your statement is as retarded as this list it will still be retarded at the begging or end of a meeting
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Male 1,182
they should probably add "complaining about sexism instead of doing there god damn job"
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Male 81
LADIES AND GENTLEMEN!

You have just been trolled, and trolled rather hard, if I might add.
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Male 39,893
of course, you can always forego the hard work and thinking stuff and just sleep with the boss.

What? Don`t be hatin` me and throwin` stuff. It`s true and some women do. If my thingie could get me a promotion {or even a job} HELL YES I`d do it. But so far not much demand in the career field.

You got it. You sell it. You still got it. You sell it again etc.
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Male 40,734
[quote]There`s a lot of sexism about sexism. - Angilion[/quote]

Yo! Words of wisdom right there!!
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Male 1,243
A couple of silly points but for the most part I agree that this list is fairly accurate.
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Male 321
Women: If you want to be successful in the corporate world, don`t be yourselves (?)
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Male 2,332
And Baalthazaq.

You`re right, and it does irritate me as well. I could narrow this list down to this:

If you want to have a great career, be an non-nice individual that`s willing to screw other people over to advance yourself.
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Male 2,332
So in other words: How To Be An Annoying Bulldyke At Work?
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Female 779
I like this list, its honest and WRITTEN by a woman with a phD.
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Male 12,365
[quote]Angilion, all I`m hearing is "what about teh menz!!!".[/quote]

I`m sure you are, but that`s a reflection of your thought processes and prejudices, not what was actually written. So you`re aghast at a man being uppity enough to object to sexism *against people of both sexes* and see any consideration of men as being childish babble. You`re also regarding anything other than *only* considering women as being *only* considering men, completely ignoring the entirely alien concept of sexual equality. In short, you`re a feminist.
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Male 12,365
[quote]Obviously these wage studies take into account the hours worked.[/quote]

It isn`t obvious and it usually isn`t true.

I`d say it`s obvious that they wouldn`t, because the entire purpose of those studies is to create a lower figure for women.

The usual procedure is to lump all "full time" workers together by having a set number of hours/week (e.g. 35) and ignoring all hours worked above that number. This works well to reduce the figures for women because men average more working hours than women.

Simple example:

Bob and Sue work in the same job and therefore have the same rate of pay. Call it US$10/hour, just to get some numbers.

Bob averages 42 hours/week.
Sue averages 37 hours/week.

Both are counted in the same category for pay studies, as they both average >35 hours/week.

Bob is paid $420 per week.
Sue is paid $370 per week.

Sue is paid 12% less than Bob! Proof of sexism!
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Male 12,365
[quote]It`s not that men make more than women "on average," it`s that they make more for doing the same work. I`m going into nursing- and though it`s a field dominated by women, men who go into the field tend to get paid more for the same exact positions.[/quote]

i) I`d like to see evidence of that and, if it exists, how long it lasts for.

ii) The average pay for women who go into the few remaining fields in which almost all employees are men is higher than that for the men. It`s hypothesised that the reason is that women who do enter these fields are more likely to be very highly motivated and probably have relevant prior experience - those factors tend to increase starting pay.
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Male 3,894
What they`re trying to say (but making a sexist mess out of) is that for a person, regardless of gender, needs to be assertive to do well in the professional world. This includes body language, behavioral habits, and mannerisms.

It was well intentioned.
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Male 10,338
I don`t think women should stay in the kitchen, but it makes me giggle when they expect equal pay in hard labor jobs.

Dainty lady working with 300lb men made of rocks and steel wanting equal pay for equal work. IT ISN`T EQUAL WORK! :)
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Male 1,557
One good pump.
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Female 535
I`ve been told many times (usually by surprised men) that I have a great handshake.
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Male 1,815
11. Women tend to leave the kitchen - men know their place(anywhere they want), women should know theirs.

And the sexism flourishes
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Male 10,338
"I doubt that male nurses deserve to get paid more purely because they are capable of (in some cases) lifting a heavier load."

That`s exactly why they deserve it.

If you are more able to do the job, you should make more. Period.
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Male 2,441
Some of these are good points
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Male 5,626
`Lifting and moving a fat-ass without hurting him` is a major part of the job.
If higher load/lift duration caps means higher efficiency, yes, they do.
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Male 266
All of it 100% true.
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Female 164
Nice. I don`t do any of that!
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Female 1,963
CodeJockey, one instance does not a trend make. I have many nurse friends, most of them quite dainty females, and they can handle (and do handle) a lot of heavy lifting. I doubt that male nurses deserve to get paid more purely because they are capable of (in some cases) lifting a heavier load.
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Male 4,546
Ok.

1) It irriates me when anyone suggests women need to be bitches to succeed.
2) No, I wouldn`t have called it "bitchy" if it were a man doing it. You`re right, well spotted.
3) I would call him an non-nice individual, (I don`t know why I consider the two words gender specific, but I consider them parallels), and dislike him just as much though.
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Male 5,626
"What are you basing these assumptions on?"
Being in the hospital with a broken ankle and watching 4 women change the bed pan of a fat, pelvis broken bastard that 2 guys brought in.

Second, sort rather than compare averages.
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Male 561
11. spit don`t swallow.
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Female 1,963
First of all, CodeJockey, nurses (including female nurses) are taught the techniques to maneuver almost any size of a person regardless of their own size. Very rarely is anyone so heavy that your average size female nurse isn`t able to do whatever they need to do, and in these cases a man usually can`t do it by themselves either. What are you basing these assumptions on?

Second of all... so 16 out of 500 is not the same thing to you as "businesses are run by men"? Sure, there are some run by women. And has it ever occurred to you that those very few women who made it to the top had to be A LOT better than any man, and that`s why they get paid so much?
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Male 5,626
"You should probably have read the rest of that. "
I did read it.
A) points out 16 CEO`s of multi-billion dollar firms.
B) ignores that the women largely fell in the higher end of the spectrum regardless of sample size.
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Female 3,574
Men do all the same things. Once again this applies:
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Male 5,626
"men who go into the field tend to get paid more for the same exact positions."
CN`s, CNA`s: The same position is not the same volume of "come over here and help lift this fat, pelvis broken bastard..."
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Female 1,963
You should probably have read the rest of that.
"But the analysis of the numbers in Bloomberg report is flawed. There are only 16 female CEOs, compared with 484 male chiefs. Statistically speaking, if you average the pay of only 16 women—and particularly two or three very highly paid women like Rosenfeld and Yahoo’s Carol Bartz—their average pay will be higher because the sample size is so small. At Forbes, we averaged the pay of the 500 chief executives in the largest U.S. companies, (including the 16 women) and found that the average pay is $8 million. While it’s clear some women are being paid on par–and in some instances, more–than their male counterparts, they are clearly the exception and not the rule."
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Male 5,626
OK then, dammit! Here:
May 13, 2010
"Yesterday, Bloomberg News reported that the women who run the largest U.S. companies are earning substantially more than their male counterparts. According to Bloomberg, the average annual pay for female CEOs over the last few years was more than $14 million dollars, and they earned 40% more than men in 2009."
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Female 1,963
PoopNoodle... can`t believe you just made me type out poopnoodle... Obviously these wage studies take into account the hours worked. The average hourly wage for women is still only about 4/5ths of the average hourly wage for men.

And there`s the issue that men in most countries cannot take the same length of paternity leave as women, so thus women have to stay at home not only during late pregnancy but for a significant period of time after the birth of the baby. Missing a long period of work is always detrimental to a career.
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Female 627
this sign is bull
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Male 2,868
@PoopNoodle
It`s not that men make more than women "on average," it`s that they make more for doing the same work. I`m going into nursing- and though it`s a field dominated by women, men who go into the field tend to get paid more for the same exact positions.
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Female 71
More like a list of things that are keeping from your full douchebagging potential!
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Female 59
Oh bull men do this stuff too.
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Male 400
@moefreak
I couldn`t disagree more. From what I`ve seen in my career (IT), gone are the days of women not being treated fairly. I will work just as hard for a competent woman as I will a competent man. Women tend to point to some study that on average, men make more money than women. If you delve a little further, the same study states that, on average, men work more than women.
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Female 1,963
depthofcuz, thank you. Sincerely.

Code, what? As far as I know, only one of those companies has a female president. In 2009, 13 out of the top 500 companies in the US had a female CEO. I`m not saying that women need to immediately get promoted as CEOs all over the place, just that this is part of the reason why it`s hard for a woman to get promoted past a certain point.
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Male 5,626
"The way businesses are run favours traditionally masculine characteristics because businesses are run by men"
Well, if by "favours traditionally masculine characteristics" you mean it requires clear, rational thought and a certain mental ruggedness that precludes "crying under pressure" then, sure, it favors the masculine.

Chicks run Adobe, eBay, Xerox (notorious boys club,) one ran HP and none of those are cosmetics companies.
The people that most of that stuff mattered to are dead or dieing and the source of the list is pure arcane thinking.
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Male 67
me too, mude44
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Male 2,796
Men do a lot of this stuff too, I see it often. Usually they are not alpha males.
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Male 148
according to this list I am a woman lol
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Male 4
I took this with a grain of salt to start with, then pretty much disregarded it after the grammar fail on #7.
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Female 45
Moefreak, I think you`re absolutely right. Agreed on all accounts.
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Female 654
im a monkey, and i would like to learn calculus
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Female 1,963
KMeatPiLover, I know. I`m actually amazed and quite happy at the level of intelligence in this thread though.

Premierwonder, I agree. The way businesses are run favours traditionally masculine characteristics because businesses are run by men, it`s a bit of a catch-22. I`m not going to pretend that our biology means nothing, or that certain traits like aggressiveness and competitiveness (in which testosterone is heavily involved) might be an advantage in some aspects of business. But generalizations like the ones in this ridiculous list are what hold us back from true equality.
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Male 975
I`d say the real sexism lies in this.
Men are better at conducting business because they have masculine features.
Business has been dominated by men for so long that we forget that if women had the same opportunities as us, business would be intuitive for either gender.
Given the circumstances, women should take on some more `masculine` traits in the workplace if it can get them ahead in business.
Of course assertive women seem to be called bitches and d*kes sooo...
It looks like women are screwed...
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Male 5,626
"white people are not already being discriminated against in their everyday lives."
If you were a guy, I`d say "You just tripped over your own [email protected] with that one."
Everyone, without regard to skin color, gender or age, has or will experience some form discrimination related to that skin color, gender or age if operating in a diverse enough civilization.
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Female 406
Well it says at the bottom that that list was taken from the book Nice Girls Don`t Get The Corner Office 101. So obviously it would be aimed at women. But it could easily be made for both genders, depending also on your own personality. I guess the message is to be more aggressive and initiative, which frankly are key ingredients to success in the office...male or female.
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Female 129
Moefreak, trying to explain sexism and male privilege to I-Am-Bored readers is like trying to teach a monkey calculus, it`s not gonna happen.
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Male 602
Code, I partially agree with you, but I also believe that confidence can be gained by acting with confidence. What better way to thoroughly form the idea than by practicing it and watching it succeed? That will only spur more confidence, and trust me when it comes to confidence, I have it almost to a fault. It frustrates my fiance to no end.

Besides, I think it`s kind of hard to put an entire motivational work onto one brochure...that`s why we have posters!

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Female 1,963
The same thing applies to sexism, although perhaps to a slightly lesser extent. Women constantly face sexism, and that`s why something like this is particularly harmful to women. It perpetuates the myth that this is "just how women are" and they should be more like men to make something of themselves.
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Female 1,803
I agree with pretty much everything on the list. Women can whine about not being taken seriously because they act like the weaker side of womankind but they need to stop complaining and start doing what they need to do to succeed. Same for anyone else who thinks they are being treated unfairly. Success is a game and if you don`t play along, you will get left behind and it`s no one`s fault but your own. Don`t like it? Start your own damn business and act the way you want. You`ll still have to make compromises to get ahead. Deal with it or get left behind. Sad thing is, because I told it to you straight without smiley faces and "you`re wonderful but" prefaces, I`ll get called a bitch but that`s just a part of being a woman and I`ve learned to not let it bother me.
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Female 1,963
Angilion, all I`m hearing is "what about teh menz!!!". Yes, I agree this list is overly generalizing about men as well. As I said, saying "men don`t ask permission" is ridiculous. But this list implies that not apologising (at least not excessively) is a GOOD thing, and that speaking up in meetings (it says absolutely nothing about butting in. Speaking first does not imply that) is a GOOD thing. It isn`t saying that "men are doing all of these terrible things but women should be more like them", it`s saying that "men are doing all these great things and women should be like them".

Sexism (or racism) isn`t purely about saying something negative or generalizing about another group. It has to do with the power dynamic. That`s why it isn`t as harmful to make a generalizing joke of some kind about white people as it is to do so about some other race, since white people are not already being discriminated against in their everyday lives.
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Male 5,626
"Anyone in this position regardless of gender will be expected to be able to dominate a meeting."
"I don`t think the solution is to have this ridiculous standard of how a "real man" behaves and then hold everyone up to that standard."

See, you each pointed something out: This person is trying to get women to behave LIKE they are confident.
Something I`ve said to a few people I`ve worked with: "You just said to me `I`ll just screw it up.` You know that voice in your head that said `don`t touch that, you might f*ck it up?` The next time you hear that voice, tell it `drat off, Dad/Mom. This is mine. I earned this.`"
"You don`t need to ACT confident. You need to form that idea thoroughly then, express it clearly. The FEELING is the tail, not the dog..."
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Male 602
Well Moe I imagine it is entitled what it is because it was given to women by a woman who cares about their success, and not a man who didn`t give a crap. So you are getting upset, but the intention isn`t negative. I`m not going to debate about which of the things are true or not, I think it`s all hogwash. Sometimes it is the best thing to do to speak last at a meeting, for example after you listen to a bunch of excuses and then lay down the law.


But the message is one of friendly advice to help someone get ahead, how can you hate on that? At the worst, it is something for girls to laugh at over the stress of a job. At its best, a woman who is being too shy uses it to work up the courage to kick ass in the corporate world...

You are reading too much in to it.
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Male 12,365
[quote]Angilion, hold on a minute. The only negative things this list says about men are: "men don`t ask permission, they inform" (which this list says is the grown up way of doing things), and that men will "stretch the rules". That`s hardly the same thing as saying that "women are deceitful, clique-y, back-stabbing gossips".[/quote]

You missed these: never apologising(6), often butting in (if you always speak first, you are often interrupting someone else) (4) and never being fair (8).

My point still stands, as do my questions.

Here`s another one: Are there any circumstances under which you can acknowledge sexism that is not *only* against women?
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Male 181
Hmmm, the rationale for #10 sounds inappropriately familiar....
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Male 587
moe maybe that is the experience that Citi has with their female employees.
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Male 587
Men are more aggressive in getting what they want so they get noticed more. It is being noticed for the things you do that get you places. If you are going to sit on the sideline and not go after what you want aggressively then you are not going to get noticed by your higher up regardless of the work you do.. No matter what you do there is a man doing the same thing and being more aggressive about it so he will get noticed. If women were more aggressive about their career goals you would not have nearly as many complaining that they never get promoted or that their pay is not good enough.. Show some initiative.
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Female 1,095
My dad always taught me that man or woman, a limp handshake is a deal breaker. And now I hate them myself it feels yucky.
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Male 1,195
Women are not get taken seriously?
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Male 2,436
Is my sammich ready yet?
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Female 1,963
T-Marley, so why isn`t it? Why is this advice only aimed at women? Why all the sweeping, unfair generalizations? Why isn`t this list entitled "What people do to sabotage their careers"? Some of this doesn`t even ring the slightest bit true to me, like women tend to speak last in meetings. Really? Is there some kind of study on this or something? It`s not my experience, at all.
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Male 5,626
"In fact I find this kind of document very
dangerous because it furthers the belief that
there is nothing wrong with a gender biased
society"
This. What matters is your specific performance at the role you`ve been given.

I wouldn`t toss anyone that hasn`t f*cked someone
over in a way that could lead to a suit. Try to
move them first because it may just have been
your own fault for putting them out of their depth
which isn`t fair, either.
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Male 602
Ok but this advice is to women who are sitting a big tables or trying to climb the corporate ladder. Anyone in this position regardless of gender will be expected to be able to dominate a meeting. The advice is on how to do that. You cannot present a new idea, plan, product, or sales pitch to another company if you do any of these things that present you in a submissive way.

Some of this advice could just as easily be given to the new breed of skinny jeans wearing males trying to do the same thing.
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Female 1,963
T-marley, the solution is to try, to the very best of our abilities, to judge each employee on merit only. Whether they smile, apologise, sit too demurely or have a limp handshake. I don`t think the solution is to have this ridiculous standard of how a "real man" behaves and then hold everyone up to that standard. If they can do the job they are paid to do, that`s great. If they can do it exceptionally well, promote them. If they can`t, fire them.
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Male 819
Obviously any stat on salary and employment will show that women don`t get as far as men and get worse pay.
In a way I think it`s good for HR departments to acknowledge this reality.
I do find it a bit sad that this list is basically implying that the discrepancy in salary and career opportunities are a woman`s fault and that therefore it should be up to the woman to change in order not to "sabotage" her career, instead of trying to fight the root cause of the problem: social norms in a patriarchal society...
In fact I find this kind of document very dangerous because it furthers the belief that there is nothing wrong with a gender biased society because men are somehow more apt at furthering their careers than women.
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Male 5,626
"Not really understanding the rest of what you`re saying"
I want to hear some creative thinking. I`m looking for content of ideas and I can smell clueless a mile coming.
I couldn`t care less how you sit.

I do admit there is something that bothers me more than people falling asleep (I actually had a narcoleptic, until I found out, I wasn`t kind.)
1) I hate when people take notes while I`m explaining a concept. It makes me feel like I`m not being understood.
2) When speaking, don`t say "basically," ever. Makes me cringe, smells like clueless if you say it more than once.
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Male 602
Yeah I saw I was late on the uptake with that one. But let me pose a better question. We can debate whether or not it is sexist or what have you, but is it true?

And if it is true, what do you want? For men to give a woman special treatment when she does not display enough alpha, or for a woman to become more alpha in order to play the game she chooses? What is the solution?
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Female 836
I see a lot of upset young females railing against this. I don`t like it either, but life is not fair, gals.

I wish, for one, that women had never petitioned strongly to join the military (yep, I think WE females have the peace thing down and you guys should of followed OUR lead and stopped the war nonsense).

BUT, again, life is not fair. Dominance is defined by certain traits, and most of those traits are strongly associated with male behavior. If they weren`t, there would never of been a need for a sufragette movement.
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Female 1,963
T-Marley, as I`ve already said, women can be sexist. I noticed who wrote it the very first time I looked at this, and it hurts even more when another woman is perpetuating this kind of sexism.
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Female 1,963
SarahofBorg, obviously body language matters. I`m not disputing that, nor am I disputing the fact that perhaps more women do these things than men. The point is that this list implies that women`s way of doing things is the wrong way, simply because it`s not the way that men do it. And it`s ridiculous to imply that, for example, asking for permission is a childish thing to do, and that men don`t do that. I`m betting that men who want to keep their jobs (unless perhaps they own the business) have to ask for permission to do things.
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Female 3,562
Moefreak, body language is goddamn everything. It`s the difference between getting a job and getting passed over. It matters, whether you like it or not.
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Female 3,562
I find this pretty accurate. Few women do all these things, but most women do at least a few of them.
Personally, I`ve learned to apologize a lot, but only because it`s easier than standing up for myself. It`s not really because I believe I`m wrong, but because I don`t feel the need to defend myself. I`d rather apologize than enter a pointless conflict.
I also smile too much for basically the same reason.
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Female 1,963
"Any boss that judges a woman to be less than capable because she sit back with crossed legs, needs to be fired."

I agree. Not really understanding the rest of what you`re saying, though.
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Male 5,626
OK
#3 "women sit demurely. The power position..."
Any boss that judges a woman to be less than capable because she sit back with crossed legs, needs to be fired.
Look at my joke: "I hired you FOR your brain. I want some ROI."
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Female 1,963
CodeJockey, I won`t disagree that this list generalizes about men as well, and portrays them in a very slightly negative light. But how is it saying anything negative particularly about masculinity?
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Male 5,626
Moe, the list implies that a woman will not be seen as "capable" BECAUSE of traits that are "feminine."
As such, it`s both anti-masculine and anti-feminine.
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Female 1,963
4x4Master, and women can`t be sexist, or at least perpetuate sexism? Of course they can.
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Male 220
You think it`s sexist eh? Interesting considering it was written by a woman. Look at the bottom of the image.
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Female 1,963
Angilion, hold on a minute. The only negative things this list says about men are: "men don`t ask permission, they inform" (which this list says is the grown up way of doing things), and that men will "stretch the rules". That`s hardly the same thing as saying that "women are deceitful, clique-y, back-stabbing gossips".
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Male 12,365
[quote]Angilion, this list clearly implies that men are the ones getting it right. This list is telling women to change the way they behave, not men. Even when men are rude, arrogant cheaters, women are encouraged to be more like men.

Clearly men are the ones suffering from sexism here.[/quote]

If a list was saying that women are deceitful, clique-y, back-stabbing gossips and men should be more like them in order to succeed more, would you consider that to be sexist *only* against men? Or even mostly against men? Or would you see only sexism against women, again?
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Male 5,626
<sarcasm>I`m sure there isn`t any stereotyping going on here.</sarcasm>
This guy expects women to act like men. Not necessary.
I hire women BECAUSE they are fun to look at, smell nice and tend to bring plants with them.
(Just kidding...)

-When you don`t agree with or don`t understand something, SPEAK THE F*CK UP! I hired you FOR your
brain. I want some ROI.
-Dress practically. The place is 70F because it is a computer lab. Wear a sweater, LEAVE YOUR F*CKING SPACE HEATER AT HOME, it will damage your workstation.
Notice I have a different turtle-necked shirt for each day of two weeks. That is not because I lack fashion sense.
-Carry your own freakin` boxes. Get a goddamned dolly on which to do so. If you want equal pay,
don`t let someone else do your work.

...AND STOP TALKING TO YOUR F*CKING SISTER ON MY
COMPANY`S PHONE!
(See, I can do it too...)
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Female 1,963
Scott it`s my first day here on this... what did you call it? In-ter-net. Frightening place.
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Female 1,963
Angilion, this list clearly implies that men are the ones getting it right. This list is telling women to change the way they behave, not men. Even when men are rude, arrogant cheaters, women are encouraged to be more like men.

Clearly men are the ones suffering from sexism here.
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Male 801
"This is the most sexist piece of crap I`ve ever seen."

Welcome to the Internet.
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Male 12,365
A list stereotypes men as rude, arrogant cheaters...and people complain it`s sexist only against women.

There`s a lot of sexism about sexism.
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Female 1,963
Atrayu4u, of course many women do these things. So do many men. Just because many people of a group of people do a certain thing, it is unfair to generalize like this. And furthermore, they are making it sound like acting in a feminine way is a bad thing, that femininity is the same thing as incapability and childishness.
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Male 40,734
#8 HAHAHAHA! I work in a female dominated workforce, they do NOT, nor have they EVER "played fair".
It`s form a clique, backstab, lie slander & gossip ALL day long.
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Male 914
sammich
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Male 25,416
wow, feminism ftw!
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Female 1,478
Actually, many women do these things, moefreak. The offensive thing, to me, is actually printing this up and displaying it.
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Male 3,431
Stop Whining. No One Gives a Crap about your piddly assed problems. Life is tough as hell. There`s a reason the work force was DOMINATED by men for thousands of years, and it had absolutely NOTHING to do with using a feminine approach to problem solving. GTFO.
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Male 5,413
That`s not nice now is it? But then again it`s supposed to be a joke. It`s hardly offensive if you turn around
`At least women can follow simple orders, at least we`re honest` blah blah blah. Lighten up
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Male 12,365
[quote]So the advice is boiled down to: "women, act more like dudes" ?[/quote]

More like this, I think:

"stereotypes of women, act more like stereotypes of men. Women are very nice and men are arrogant cheating loudmouth arseholes, which allows them to win."
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Female 1,963
This is the most sexist piece of crap I`ve ever seen.
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Male 833
"you are not get taken seriously."
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Male 2,548
Could`ve been shortened to:

"Act like a c-o-c-k-y ass and you`ll move up in the business."

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Male 2,121
"therefore you are not get taken seriously" -fail...
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Male 587
11. They are Women.
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Male 7,378
I think the person who made this should take a bow.
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Male 5,194
>>Make sammich

Whoa! A girl that can do that would easily get the corner office.
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Male 2,893
This is what makes them such successful strippers.
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Female 2,352
So pretty much be less timid and you know act more like a dude I guess. I only do one of these.
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Male 1,054
"mykunter"

Is it your goal in life to be a virgin forever?
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Female 93
i think the person who made this would be slaughtered in women only society
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Male 3,296
it true, women want equality then they must act with confidence right? there is nothing sexist about it hiromi. Its just some advice, but am glad you already knew all of this.
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Male 76
Both men and women can learn from these advice actually. I do all of these, except public grooming LOL
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Male 2,424
So the advice is boiled down to: "women, act more like dudes" ?
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Male 2,436
11. Make a bad sammich- Your job is to make me a SAMMICH!!!
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Male 451
"therefore you are not get taken seriously"
WTF? Nice grammar. Bet some foreigner male from a country where women are servants wrote this.
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Female 673
"You are not get taken seriously."

Bwahahaha!
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Female 836
Good advice. And Hiromi, I`m genuinely glad your generation is so far removed from this (or at least think you are) that you are mocking it.
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Male 5,194
I hate a-holes who never apologize for anything, ever. "Play fair" gets you ahead more often than cheating, business relationships are built on trust. Sometimes speaking last blows the other guy out of the water. Nobody gives a damn how you sit.
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Male 5,314
females, ha!
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Male 1,598
"one good pump" ehhh.... I think I`ll need more than that
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Male 39,893
I don`t know any demure, shy women like the ones they describe.
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Male 1
Number 7 "Therefore you are not get taken seriously"

I wonder if a woman made this poster...
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Male 55
Hasn`t Citibank had more than a few sexual harassment cases in recent years, or am I thinking of some other company?
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Female 1,148
Ugh. sexist...
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Female 290
Someone gonn` die.
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Male 798
If you keep in mind that these are the 10 things NOT to do then it makes complete sense, but the way they say "Top 10 Things to Remember" right before starting the list makes it confusing. And more interesting, IMO.
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Male 605
stupid women!
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Female 231
Not every female is this way. But this is amusing.
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Male 15,510
Same rules applies in the IAB HQ?
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Male 56
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Male 20,901
Link: Ladies: What NOT To Do At Work [Pic] [Rate Link] - Citibank`s human resources geniuses created this list for their female employees. Works good at every job, no?
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