Jan Brewer: Governor Of Arizona

Submitted by: madest 6 years ago

Her debate performance was deemed "lackluster."
There are 64 comments:
Male 17,512
IamBored29: Because of their responsibilities to the public police need to be doing their jobs `cleaner` than the average public. It`s shady crap like you described that fosters disrespect for the police and puts their fellow officers in danger.

But actually I believe you are stating rumor rather than actual fact. Bribing a police officer is a felony and would`ve amounted to more than just `desk time` if that person had been caught.
Trying to use the `corrupt police` claim to argue against any one law fails miserably because it would mean that having any law at all would be useless. A smart cop, Corrupt or otherwise, Wouldn`t do something that could be easily proven like racism, bigotry, or filing a false report.
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Male 155
She is such a disgrace to AZ
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Male 606
poop @ all you ppl who think you are taken seriously on this website!!
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Male 582
@IamBored29- Sadly, police in this country have only themselves to blame for the contempt that a growing number of citizens feel towards them.
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Male 648
"What concerns me is, If you knew of `shady practices` being done by officers you knew, Then why didn`t you help in cleaning it up.

Unless of course you are making suppositions that are not based on first hand evidence. Which means that you were also using suppositions in your earlier comment. Just because a cop has the ability to do `shady` things doesn`t mean they will. Also, If they do, They will eventually get caught. Rotten cops don`t last."

These shady practices are SOP in most depts. in the country and probably the world. Watching an officer drop off a case of wild turkey for extra overtime, if i had gone to IA or a superior it would`ve ended up a "he said-she said"...as most instances of "shady" practices. Ever file a complaint at a dept? They take it and "lose it"...as with most evidence against the dept itself. Your obvious contempt for me, police officers or both, in your tone is noted. ;)
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Male 549
drat jan brewer royally and drat sb1070.. its not the immigrants it affects, it affects us all, by the time you realize that you wont have any rights at all anymore
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Male 17,512
IamBored29: What concerns me is, If you knew of `shady practices` being done by officers you knew, Then why didn`t you help in cleaning it up.

Unless of course you are making suppositions that are not based on first hand evidence. Which means that you were also using suppositions in your earlier comment. Just because a cop has the ability to do `shady` things doesn`t mean they will. Also, If they do, They will eventually get caught. Rotten cops don`t last.
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Male 648
@CrakrJak

"So keep `covering up` for your buddies in blue eventually you`ll get caught."

No where in my post did i condone any illegal activity on behalf of the police, I simply pointed out that just saying, "Cops arnt allowed to do that" doesnt mean they cant, or dont do it. Nice Try tho :)

Also, most departments have both an IA division and a CPB/CSM and some departments have 1 or the other. The problem is that both are pressured by the Police themselves to be "easy" on the offending officers whose punishment usually ends in desk duty or paid suspensions.

Not all police are bad, and coming from a family of well trained and well practiced officers I know a handful of bad apples can make the whole bunch look rotten.

I also made a point of stating that shady practices were part of the reason i decided not to further my career in Criminal Justice, however i ran out of space and the 2nd half of my comment was c
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Male 17,512
IamBored29: Then I`m sure you are aware of Internal Affairs and something called the Citizen Police Board, That the larger police departments have. Not to mention the feds investigate police departments as well.

So keep `covering up` for your buddies in blue eventually you`ll get caught.
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Male 648
Everybody should get a grip and stop trying to politicize a brain fart...it happens to everyone of every political ideology, career type, age, gender, nationality and religious creed. Have a laugh and move on.
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Male 648
B4 the conservative defense league on this site jumps all over me, i actually agree with tougher federal immigration laws, i just dont like the way the issue has been used as a political tool to drum up fear and win relection bids.

@CrakrJak "No cop can just stop you or me or anyone else without a valid reason."

POC- Yes they can and do, they just make up a "valid" reason on the spot. I watch them do it all the time to, and went through the process of learning how to do it in getting a criminal justice degree and going through the acad. We also learned how to "cover" for other officers who regularly "bend" the rules/break the law and how to "buy" overtime with cases of wild turkey delivered to the shift supervisor`s office. To put it bluntly, Cops can and do just about anything they can get away with because we grant them that power without the proper checks and balances in place to "police the police". Just
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Male 2,868
Holy crap, did she do a bunch of whippits before she went on the air?
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Male 25,416
Somebody didnt remember her speech!
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Male 36,410
vv OldSmelly troll is old & smelly...
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Male 2,424
almost as embarrasing as the time Barry Obama walked into the window, that was a door, at the white house.
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Male 3,364
Jesus. She didn`t go over her notes before the debate?
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Female 307
....
Wow.
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Male 22
"Illegals" What does that mean? I assume that it means `an individual that isn`t in the State legally`? Okay, I can see how that might work, but doesn`t it have the element of "State"? If there is no "State", then there can be no "State" to be in or out off illegally or legally.

What facts or evidence does anyone have that might be able to prove the existence of "a State"?
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Male 240
The funniest thing about this loon is she uses the reputation of Phoenix as a well run city to her advantage. The reality is that her opponent Terry Goddard was the mayor that earned that very reputation. Nonetheless, I don`t hold much hope for the future, as AZ is notorious for electing imbeciles for Guv. Google it, it`s kinda funny in a pathetic way...
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Male 582
@duffy- ">>Wizard77 @duffy (and others) I was with you...until

No you weren`t."

Yeah I was.

"Easily. SB1070 does not say "probable cause" (which has legal definitions), does not say "traffic stop" (which has definitions) - it says "lawful contact" WHICH COULD MEAN ANYTHING, as it has no legal definition. "

That is solid and engaging. But you are proving to be truculent and sort of sour. I am done listening to anything you have to say. If you were on solid ground you wouldn`t need insults and direct contradiction to maintain an exchange.
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Male 17,512
duffytoler: No cop can just stop you or me or anyone else without a valid reason. Cops just don`t go around asking everyone for their `papers`, You`re really sounding paranoid if you believe they do. I mentioned profiling because the cops can`t stop people based on their race either. There is already legal precedent for both of these based on the 4th amendment.

You`re argument is that the phrase `legal contact` creates some sort of loophole, But it can`t because of already well settled and backed up law regarding how police do their job.
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Male 5,194
CrakrJak: I said nothing about "racial profiling" - before you accuse me of not looking at a bill I`ve just quoted from, maybe you should try LOOKING AT MY POST. At the risk of repeating myself, this is about "Stop and show me your papers!"

>>Wizard77 @duffy (and others) I was with you...until

No you weren`t.
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Male 582
@davymid- I have come to respect your opinion in our exchanges. You are a pretty level headed guy and I bet we would get on well (despite what you think of me here) in real life. Now as to SP, what is the big deal? Seriously man, she made three bullet points on her hand? Really? Jeeze I cheated my way through collage because I was too busy chasing tail and drinking Fosters. Honestly, you wouldn`t believe how tiny I can write and just how much I can fit on a matchbook sized bit of scrap paper.

So if you think she is lame, then cool,cool. Why though? If its over three basic reminders written on her hand...well. Look at any President or Prime Minister. They have a teleprompters and don`t go off script unless they absolutely have no choice.
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Male 582
@duffy (and others) I was with you...until you started sounding like an abusive ass. In the first part (where you were worth listening to) you contend that "lawful contact" is too broad a term. CJ says that language in the bill addresses this.

Does the legal language appear in the bill because of probability? Or to appease the opponents of the bill?

look, I am a very white, English speaking, Black haired, green eyed, tall (obviously not mexican) guy. Of the states (about 31 now) Ive visited, I am required by law to have ID when in public. Why should visitors be exempt from this? I understand that it may be a "green card", workers visa or passport etc. But these are guests. How is their ID requirement less fair?

If you are going to go psycho and call names, don`t bother answering. I have been on the fence but the supporters of the bill seem reasonable in their posts. If you have valid points make them. If you don`t, you call names.
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Male 12,138
Man, let`s give her a break. She was just reading her notes she had written on a page. At least she didn`t have to jot down notes on her hand, like Sarah Palin did. I did that once, when I was 12.
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Male 17,512
duffytoler: If you bothered to look into the bill you`d have noticed the anti-profiling language, Perhaps you would be less clueless.

"A law enforcement official or agency of this state or a county, city, town or other political subdivision of this state may not consider race, color or national origin in implementing the requirements of this subsection except to the extent permitted by the United States or Arizona Constitution." - SB1070
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Male 736
Ausweis!
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Male 5,194
>>Can anyone answer that?

Easily. SB1070 does not say "probable cause" (which has legal definitions), does not say "traffic stop" (which has definitions) - it says "lawful contact" WHICH COULD MEAN ANYTHING, as it has no legal definition.

If you clueless herd-following Glenn-Beck-ass-kissing Rush Limbaugh fans ever bothered to think for yourselves and check into the issue a little bit, you might realize your REPUBLICAN Governor signed COMMIE legislation!
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Male 582
OK. Fair enough. So if you are a guest in this country (and until you get citizenship you are indeed a guest) what is the big deal about having your documents? I have to carry some form of state or federal issued ID at all times when in public. We all do. Its the law. If the citizens have to back ID why shouldn`t anyone visiting? I just don`t understand how this is a problem.
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Male 17,512
kiriluv: If you are an illegal alien you can`t get an authentic Arizona driver`s license, Unless you use forged documents and that`s a felony right there if you do. So showing a real drivers license, Which 9 times out of 10 will be computer checked for wants and warrants, Is usually more than enough to substantiate a person`s status.
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Female 203
PS, the stupid thing is, she`ll be voted to run another term.... Guaranteed.
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Female 203
Wizz, basically they`re saying that a license isn`t enough. You`ll have to have multiple forms of ID and if they still don`t think that you`re for real, they`ll just book ya anyway.

Can I go to college in OK yet? I`m so sick of this state!!!!
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Male 582
EVERY time I have been stopped by the police, (even on foot once) I had to show ID. This has been consistent in every state I have been in and I guess I don`t understand the argument. Pretty much anyone needs to produce ID if a cop asks you for it. Why would or should it be any different for illegal aliens, or bread bakers or anyone else?

Can anyone answer that?
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Male 301
That`ll do, pig. That`ll do.
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Male 36,410
vv For duffy and all those who STILL don`t know reality:
The Arizona government is trying to enforce Federal laws ALREADY ON THE BOOKS FOR MANY YEARS but not enforced because they`re too lazy, incompitent or whatever. Including the Bush administration btw!
By challenging the AZ laws in court, the Feds are basically accusing themselves! All Obama has to do is overturn the existing Federal laws, but he lacks the stones to do so.

CURRENT FEDERAL LAW requires ALL LEGAL immigrants to carry I.D. at all times! Despite madest`s whining, it`s true and has been proven in another thread. Just because it `isn`t enforced` doesn`t mean it isn`t still a law!

So if asking a LEGAL person for ID is OK, why is asking an ILLEGAL person wrong?

Tits, er, answer that or GTFO!
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Male 5,194
"STOP AND SHOW ME YOUR PAPERS!"
Wait - this is, like, the USA and all, right? We don`t do that, right? I mean, that was the commies that did that sh*t, not us! We`re the good guys, we don`t do that, right?
"STOP AND SHOW ME YOUR PAPERS!"
God damn Jan Brewer all to hell.
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Male 582
TITS OR GTFO!
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Male 17,512
madest: You have criticized me for linking Obama to Saul Alinksy and Cloward & Piven. There is more evidence for Obama`s radical links than these supposed CCA associations.

The CCA currently partners with all three federal corrections agencies (The Federal Bureau of Prisons, the U.S. Marshals Service and Immigration and Customs Enforcement), Over 60 facilities in 19 states and more than a dozen local municipalities. - According to CCA`s website.

There`s a lot of people associated with them including many democrat politicians as well.

GE was a major contributor to Obama, GE owns NBC & MSNBC, NBC and MSNBC reporters have been some of Obama`s biggest cheerleaders. Jeffrey R. Immelt Chairman of the board of GE is on Obama’s Economic Recovery Advisory Board. GE then gets no bid contracts for the Healthcare initiative, the Energy Initiative, and the Economic Recovery Plan.
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Male 17,512
madest: Deceptive statistics presented there. While it`s true that crime inside the major metropolitan cities in Arizona is down, Those cities are not near the border, The crime outside the main cities and near the border has risen quite a bit.

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Male 36,410
Thanks Baalth & Crackr! I had a hot streak there, but lately I`m batting 0.100 lolz!
I DO understand that not everything can get posted :)

And this IS a monumental "oops moment" for any political person.
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Male 17,512
5Cats: Yeah my political submissions never get through either. Just the way it is here, Unfortunately.
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Male 17,512
That whole headless bodies in the desert thing is true, Not in Arizona, But they are being found in Mexico Source
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Male 4,547
5Cats:
Given the amount of stuff that gets posted to IAB for us to sort through... I`m not sure how much I`m allowed to publicize the stats, but lemme just say after a quick lookup: You`re beating the curve.

Statistically, IAB is favoring you, if anything.
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Female 21
she lies!! She can`t even keep a straight face...
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Male 36,410
Oh THIS gets posted, but my submissions of Obama, various Dems & the MSM in general don`t?
Lolz@! Well it`s not as bad here as it used to be (for lefty bias I mean, boredom cure rate has remained high!).
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Male 3,915
so.....what am i supposed to be getting from this?
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Male 37,888
I never got the whole "teleprompter" thing.

EVERYONE on tv uses them. news man or politicians or actors. Why did they pick on Obama `cause he used one?

If that`s the worst thing they can pick on him for he must be doing okay.... {bet I could find something}
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Male 881
Now it all makes sense. Jan Brewer is hanging on to sb1070 so tightly because it is the only way in hell she`ll get any kind of political power.
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Male 12,138
Jesus, that was painful. Makes Dubya look positively eloquent by comparison.
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Male 4,014
"Haven`t any of you ever been overworked, or had stage fright?"

This was a political debate. THIS IS HER JOB. And she failed at it.

Also, NOW she says she won`t do any more debates. Probably because she won the last one so hard.
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Male 4,014
patticakes - Obama never once used a teleprompter at an elementary school to talk to kids. What is sad is that ill informed (also known as ignorant) people like you actually think he did, then you spread lies about it.

The Weekly Standard (right wing magazine) itself acknowledges this lie. RIGHT WING LIARS REPEAT THIS.
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Male 37,888
It was a miracle I tell you!

She was on TV and I yelled "SHUT UP".... and she did!

Yep, a miracle.
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Female 465
Haven`t any of you ever been overworked, or had stage fright? This woman has done an outstanding job looking for the citizens of AZ. A lot more than you bunch of farts have ever done. Oh, it`s so easy beating up on a chick, you bunch of panty waisted sorry asses. Why don`t you beat up on the big dope who can`t say a work without his tele-prompter? I mean he went to a grade school with the damn thing! Well, how lame is that?
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Male 4,014
No no, this is even better...directly after her debate, she went to answer reporter questions. They asked her about her bullsh*t claim that illegal immigrants were beheading people and leaving their bodies in the desert (which has been proven totally false).

Watch starting 1:50.

Jan Brewer Completely Ignores Questions at Press Conference, Runs Away!

Deer in the fricken headlights.
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Male 4,014
At least she hates mexicans.
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Female 120
I got secondhand embarrassment from that.
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Male 1,625
F*ck you jan brewer! F*ck you! Lying bitch.
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Male 2,506
She`s the chick that allowed random searches cuz you look like a beaner?
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Male 1,107
Hey Brewer, GTFO of my home state. I`m sick of your sh*t.
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Male 606
Not much of a public speaker, is she?
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Male 2,424
OMG! She paused in her talking! OMG! what a twaty ho, booo.

Is that the response you were looking for madest?
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Male 2,056
yeah, i`ve done a few speeches like that
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Male 71
twat
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Male 7,378
Link: Jan Brewer: Governor Of Arizona [Rate Link] - Her debate performance was deemed `lackluster.`
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