Girl GetsSuspended From School For Nose Ring

Submitted by: broizfam 7 years ago in Weird
http://news.yahoo.com/s/ap/20100916/ap_on_re/us_rel_piercing_church

Nose ring more than fashion, it"s faith. You bet your sweet ass the First Amendment is being hauled out on this one.
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Female 471
Not uncommon. My middle school didn`t let you have any piercings what-so-ever and would kick you out if you refused to remove the piercing.
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Male 1,299
@Genocyde

That fact that something so ridiculous is happening in America. Land of the free my ballsack.
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Male 712
I have only one thing to ask here and it is this.

What exactly makes this news?
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Female 160
Facial piercings are not allowed at my job; I wear a nose stud anyway, but if my boss ever decides to make an issue of it you`d better believe I`d take it out--immediately. Sometimes life isn`t "fair", kiddies, and we have to go along to get along. Take the nose ring out, stupid, before you get expelled.
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Female 1
Officially the most pointless stupid thing I have clicked on today. Kids ere getting suspended for the same crap when I was in school, but now it`s news cuz she claimed some bs religion? C`mon, the mom obviosly isn`t mad, she should just enjoy her time off and stop being an attention whore.
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Female 1,236
When my mom was in (Catholic) school the hems of their skirts had to be long enough to show no more than an inch of skin above their bobby socks. Thankfully, Jesus Christ was born & changed all that when he became Student Body President. Dang, momma, you OLD!
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Female 106
I think the thought process is that if you allow one student to wear a nose piercing, then it just escalates. There has to be a line drawn somewhere.
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Male 199
I have to agree with the last few paragraphs. her religion does not require her to wear her jewelry at all times. I do not agree with the school however, clothes are one thing, but hairstyle, jewlery, tattoos. thats completely different.
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Male 5,626
Baal, I live in Dearborn, Mi, high populous of middle-eastern families.
Not long ago, a woman sued a judge who had demanded she remove her facial covering, for identification, before being heard.
She claimed she would only do it for a female judge or bailiff in private, he stated neither was available and there was more than a little president of females ID`ing themselves in such situations.
On top of it, calling across the parking lot to the main police station was an option overlooked in the heat of the moment.

She refused, he tossed her case. She sued and lost.

Personally, I think that fits a violation similar to that in the current argument.
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Male 5,626
"...I don`t know what the school`s uniform policy is on hairstyle if it has any at all..."
Doesn`t matter if they have a policy. If a person showed up with dreads and was stopped, if he explained "I follow Ras`," there should be no issue.

She explained "I follow COBM," it shouldn`t matter if anyone thinks it`s stupid, two phone calls would prove/disprove it as a federally recognized religion. "News" should never have happened.
Now, by not making those two calls, her civil rights have been violated even if she just claimed COBM, off-the-cuff.
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Female 25
Whats so wrong with a freaking nose ring anyway?

At my school you couldn`t wear hoop earrings that were bigger than a quarter, this actually had a reason though. I went too a ghetto school and some chick got her earring ripped out in a fight.

But a nose right? Why? Because it`s not "normal"? Times are changing people...
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Male 4,546
Ok. Look.

It is not racist to say "You, and I, are different". That is a huge mistake to make.

It is racist to say "You, and I, are different, and that automatically makes one inferior to the other".

THAT is the racist mentality.

What you are encouraging by saying "To be equal, we should all be the same", is bad because it encourages the racist mindset above, even though it is against my first sentence.

"No one may wear any religious symbols of any kind at school. That way everyone is equal."

I wear a cross and I`m better than you?
I wear a scarf and I`m better than you?

How about one group of people being allowed to wear something (Diving gear at a French pool is allowed), but someone else is not (Woman was kicked out for wearing a Burkini)?

Equality != Forced conformity.
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Male 4,546
"Just go the French way. No one may wear any religious symbols of any kind at school. That way everyone is equal.

Outside of school, wear what the hell you want."

Except, if we go the French way, outside isn`t fine either.

It should be better known as the Turkish way. The Turkish tried it a long time before Europe. Result: 600`000 fewer women in university since then, dragging this "progressive" secular democracy lower than Saudi Arabia for female education.

So, education loses, freedom loses, equality loses, women`s rights loses.
Battle against headgear: Win!

As long as the important things are taken care of.
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Male 639
Just go the French way. No one may wear any religious symbols of any kind at school. That way everyone is equal.

Outside of school, wear what the hell you want.
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Male 792
I belong to the Church of Pot Smokers and Chronic Masturbators, and it`s against my freedom of religion to not be able to smoke pot and masturbate all day at work.
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Male 3,076
Stupid dress code
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Male 2,841
This is just plain stupid.
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Male 4,546
ericka:

sometimes when people dont put any punctuation in there sentences it becomes difficult to read it makes every sentence bleed into the other it doesnt differentiate lists and so on and so forth but what bothers me more actually like i said earlier before i was in this thread i said that new lines are more important than punctuation periods bullet points at the end of the day you just want to be able to read it and spacing helps that it was spacing earlier that would have made the list this list following lists the earlier list all come together properly not that that is a problem after all it makes total sense that people should have to spend 20 minutes deciphering a post when it would have taken a tenth of a second if that though probably not to put a couple of periods in it so overall i think its a fair request but not incumbent on you to comply but it might mean people don`t read it see
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Male 17,511
CodeJockey: I`ve read up on the `snake handlers` and they don`t allow kids to handle the snakes, Adults only. So that`s a moot point. As for the dreadlocks I thought only the guys wore them, But for argument sake, I don`t know what the school`s uniform policy is on hairstyle if it has any at all and they may be allowed.

This claim of the `Church of body modification` is obviously ridiculous and weak. Besides I thought there were age restrictions on piercings in most states.
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Male 176
"Church of Body Modification"

Seriously, nowdays ppl don`t even put any effort :sigh:
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Female 219
umm im writing a comment not an essay lolz you got the gest of what i was sayin do you realy care if i have periods in my sentences
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Male 703
According to the wiki article, it has federal recognition as a non-profit organisation. Is that the same as a federally recognised religion? If not, she loses. If so, school loses.

Schools have to impose dress codes for the same reason governments implement seemingly minor laws - you have to draw the line somewhere. If you let a kid wear a nose ring today, gauges tomorrow, horns the next, where do you stop? If a kid comes to school completely naked, with scales grafted all over their body and swords instead of finger nails, is that too far? Safer to draw a safe line knowing it might eventually get pushed back.

Aside from that it`s not a bad thing anyway, as it teaches discipline and an awareness that you can`t do whatever the hell you like with no conseqeunces, and sensitivity to the environment which will help later in life.
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Male 2,402
Yeah I blong to the church of "We Smoke This Sh*t". Doesn`t mean I can walk out on the street and express my freedom of speech. (face palm here)
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Female 525
ericka--periods exist. Longest sentence ever.
And yes, I understand why the school is banning it. They`re afraid that if they allow that nose ring for the Church of Body Modification then a bunch of other kids are going to get more serious piercings and then try and get away with it by using the religion excuse. So I get both sides. My personal opinion is that she should be able to wear her nose ring, but if the school says she can`t, then she can`t. When you`re 14 and attending a public school your rights don`t really exist.
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Male 25,416
O snap, chirch of body manipulation!
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Male 310
Who cares if she has a hole in her nose?
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Male 5,189
Ahh the little school days.
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Female 130
this is so ridiculous. since the church is a registered religion, they should just let it go. it isnt like the piercing is offensive, or causing a disruption of any sort.
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Female 219
I cant believe that they made a big thing about this. The daughter and her mom are childish for makeing such a big deal about this yes the schools did say that they make exceptions for religions but the fact of the matter is that they even stated in that other case at costco that their religion does not require them to where it at all times there for there was no legitamate reason why she couldnt take it out and put it back in she just did not want to. I worked at lowes for a little while and they would not let me where my monroe peircing or my tounge ring in while i was at work i did not like it but i still took it out thats life and she needs to learn it soon you cant always get what you want by crying to mommy and mommy you cant always get what you want by crying to your lawyers that is why so many people get away with the messed up stuff they do today because of them wanting to admit that they were wrong and just excepting that poo happens and feel special for finding the loophole
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Female 206
That`s Stupid!
i have my lip pierced 3 times and plugs in my ears
and i`ve gotten jobs and i haven`t been kicked our or suspended
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Male 2,085
SmilinSam, you stole my thunder. Total agreement.
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Male 39,913
a belief that body modification can change how you feel about yourself.... their `mecca` must be Hollywood! The High Priests of Plastic Surgery and body mod are all there
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Male 12,365
Yes, it`s a silly religion.

But is it sillier than other religions? Does the silliness of a religion hinge solely on how many followers it has?
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Male 2,893
Is it sad that I had to do a report on this?
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Male 5,626
BTW: COBM at the end, under IRS...
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Female 3,598
hmm... stupid for the school to suspend her in the first place for something that obviously does not impede her school work or the learning environment, that being said i think that the "church of body mocification" is a croc and that this is gonna open up a whole slew of problems for people claiming they have "religious" beliefs to try to get away with anything... if i claim that it is in my religion to be naked all the time can i go to public school? nope.
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Male 5,626
Teacher: "Why the hell are you undressed in class?"
Student: "My family now belongs to the church of `Free Willie`"
Teacher: "The whale??!!"
Student: "No. We`re nudists..."

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Male 5,626
"Church of body modification ? Oh come on. What`s next the Church of saggy pants ?"
How exactly is it different than something like showing up with a snake bite(s)?
What if she had shown up to school in
two-foot-long dreadlocks?

I`m pretty sure that, religion or not, if this goes far enough, it`s going to raise a question
of the application or suppression of the First Amendment rights of public school students.
It`s an interesting question to me:
"Does a public school have the power to enforce a
dress code or does that, in and of itself,
violate the constitution?"
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Female 1,593
And America does it again

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You can`t base something from North Carolina on "America" doing something again. If you actually read the article, the town she lives in is a backward hick town that still believes in "kissing cousins".
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Male 65
I`m siding with the school, just because I think all of that stuff looks incredibly stupid.
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Male 15,510
And America does it again :-)
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Female 1,589
I really don`t understand why people are so afraid for piercings.
"Ooooh, she has a nose ring! She must be a rebel! Protect the other children and suspend her!"
Stupid...
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Male 17,511
Church of body modification ? Oh come on. What`s next the Church of saggy pants ?
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Male 4,546
IMO:

It counts if it is a registered religion. This is not a new term.

In a circumstance where it is necessary to remove it, it should be removed. (This applies to passport photos and Burqas, or piercings and catscans).

In a case where it is part of a uniform, if it is acceptable to remove it, it should be removed, but not if not. (British Hindu Police have Turbans).

Having said all that, I`m against the *banning* of the Burqa in public places across Europe. The idea of it being an identity issue is completely moot.

Why?

Because France has:
3K Burqa wearers.
186K people who are an identical twin.

If "facial recognition is vital", you`re only solving one problem. The one with a 0.00005% incidence.
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Male 5,413
Well it`s a church, so why not.
She`s cute too
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Male 610
though i usually dislike people using "religion" as an excuse to get away with things, nose rings are dumb anyway so i don`t care too much about this one
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Male 605
sounds like they made a religion to suit their needs of body mod... it is simple..they have a dress code so you follow it..not that hard.. sur ppl wanna be independent and non-conformist but those ppl all look the same and which in turn defeats the purpose!
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Female 531
k...it`s stupid that you can`t have peircings at school
but the Church of Body Modification? come on.... thats stupid.
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Female 247
The Church of Body Modification?
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Female 1,652
Suspension for a tiny nose ring? My high school had a ridiculous dress code and visible piercings other than on the ears was against the dress code. Normally the office ladies would give them a band-aid or something to cover it with during school hours. Same goes with the clothing dress code. If you wore something against dress code, you`d have to go home and change, or borrow stray gym clothes.
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Male 812
I, as a member of dudeist church, am deeply offended by this travesty. She should be able to wear a nose piercing if it`s in her friggin` religion.
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Male 987
lolwut
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Male 1,081
I`m with NoArms.
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Male 2,056
@noarms, lets totaly do that and see what happens =D
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Female 570
@noarms
good one, count me in.
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Female 570
the first ammendsmntf says `freedom of religion` wtf? seriously?
im guessing it was made during the time where heroin was cough medicine.
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Male 505
@noarms5534

Yeah because thats a logical next step.../sarcasm
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Male 196
Hey, let`s make a religion that has tenants of orgies, drug binges, and murder! Then we can do whatever and call it our beliefs!
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Female 1,148
The Church of Body Modification...I like it better than Christianity already! I can imagine the pastors having huge nose gauges and corks in their ears.
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Male 3,482
Note that my previous post wasn`t especially directed at this particular case, just in general. I`m not religious, and I still think most religions are stupid, but seriously, if you`re gonna act like ONE load of sh*t is "valid," then you shouldn`t be deciding which ones are or aren`t on an official level.

As for this case... I could see two sides on this.

1) I doubt the Church says she HAS to wear it all the time, in which case she`s going to lose and have to either take it out or change schools.

2) The whole issue is stupid because, to begin with, it`s small, tasteful, and barely noticeable if you aren`t looking. Also, as far as I know, Hindus and Muslims don`t really HAVE to get the nose rings either, so if it`s voluntary to wear it but no one goes after their case, then that`s unequal treatment under law.
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Male 3,482
[quote]@koydo. theres a huge difference from believing and following a valid religion that has thousnads of years of belief, to following one you made up yourself to get around laws.[/quote]
Huh... Is that so?

Well, wanna know something interesting?

At one point in time, all those established religions that you consider "valid" were in the same situation as this. Their belief was stupid, and used to incite action against the current leaders. The leaders treated them as terrorists, spreading a message that didn`t concur with what the governing party wanted spread. They were silenced, in whatever way possible.

I seem to remember hearing about a certain man being Crucified for some idiot belief that HE was the son of god, of all things! HOW DARE HE!

Shut the hell up. There are some stupid "religions" out there, but where do you get off deciding that a person`s firmly held belief is wrong?
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Male 69
this is so stupid on so many levels. Both sides of the argument is idiotic, who cares about a nose ring. Some people just need some common sense
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Female 854
My brother got sent home for dying his hair, they wouldn`t allow him back until he looked normal. The messed thing about it was he dyed it the school colors. Schools are so stupid sometimes.
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Male 40,751
I belonged to the Church of No Homework when I was a schoolboy! Didn`t work back then either! lolz!
Now I joined the Church of Go Home Early, I`m sure my boss will understand...
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Male 235
It`s stupid to get a suspension because of something like this, but the "Church of Body Modification"? Really? Come on now...
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Male 226
@tedgp
How is one religion based on fantasy any better than another religion based on fantasy? Why should we limit religion to only those that are already established? Who is going to decide which religion is valid? If your religion was deemed invalid, how would you respond?
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Male 886
Regardless of personal opinions, this girl has a solid footing for a case.

It doesn`t matter about personal feelings on the religion in question, fact is this church does exist and therefore must engender the same protections as any other organized religion under Freedom of Religion.



In this day and age...how can ANYone working at a school make the same mistakes over and over again? How many schools have to be sued for this stupid crap before the administrators realize that there is only one solution to these mistakes.

Apologize, fix her school records, and admit her to school.

Otherwise, get ready to use whatever funds are sitting in a bank to pay this girl and her family millions.
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Female 3,574
From the article:
[quote]A similar situation to the Iaconos` went to the courts in 2002, when a woman was fired from her job at a Costco store over her eyebrow ring. The woman was also a member of the Church of Body Modification, but the courts eventually ruled that her religious beliefs did not require her to always wear her jewelry.[/quote]
I bet that the same applies here. She does not have to wear the jewelry to school, and therefore the school`s dress code stands. If she does not like that school`s dress code, she can find another school.

Seriously though, what if whatever occupation she decides to pursue also does not allow her to have piercings? She can`t expect the world to bend for her all the time.
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Male 440
The question is this. Does her religion have a rule that says she must wear the nose stud at all times? Unless it has such a rule she has no case.
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Male 505
@tedgp

I don`t think the church was set up just for this girl...Also the length of time doesn`t make a religion any more valid.
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Male 2,419
@damokiwi
actually she is following school policy, the policy states it has to make exceptions for religions, way to read the article
"We were told that if we were Hindu, or she were Muslim, it would be different."
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Male 198
The Church of Body Modification may seem a bit loopy to others, but try reading some of the stuff on their website. It`s clear that they (at least the people on the website) believe in their religion, no matter how it may seem to outsiders.

The girl and her mother? I dunno. They do seem to have a case, especially with the precedents set.
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Male 3,285
@koydo. theres a huge difference from believing and following a valid religion that has thousnads of years of belief, to following one you made up yourself to get around laws.

Maybe you need to get some common sense, as you are the type of person that does this.
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Female 322
Lunix82 - the lesbian high schooler didn`t want her OWN prom, she wanted to go to the official one, dressed in a tux. It was the SCHOOLS decision to have a 2nd prom just for her. Sucks. Who cares how she dressed if it was tasteful, not skuzzy.
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Male 1,547
It`s quite obvious that her "religion" is just one of those loophole religions that are used as excuses to do things against normal rules/laws (like cannabism). However, that still doesn`t mean the school has the right to suspend her for facial jewelry. With an excuse like "The Church of Body Modification", she could probably get away with much, much worse than a nose ring.
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Female 3,001
"I love how ppl state the first amendment. Thats oen of the reasons your coutnry is the way it is."

Not that I`m American, but the first amendment is definitely a good thing...


anyway, its daft to have this rule I agree, but by making this statement the only person she`s really affecting is her and her own future, she could just wait a few years to put the nose stud back in... its daft but if she wants to go to college she should realise life`s not fair and move on.
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Male 75
It`s a stud not a ring for starters. But if the school has a no jewelrey policy then the faith arguement is as usual bollocks. Sure try to get the school to change it`s policy if you like but not on religious grounds. As for the civil liberties group surely they should be secular?
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Male 6,693
What is wrong with people.
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Male 10,338
"Oh, North Carolina, go figure."

More like Oh, (insert state here), go figure.

Welcome to America. Home of WTF!
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Male 10,338
"I think it`s kind of stupid for them to kick me out of school for a nose piercing," she said. "It`s in the First Amendment for me to have freedom of religion."

Wait a second. Piercing is her religion?

Excuse fail.
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Female 3,574
It`s just a tiny nose piercing. Even without the religious aspect, I think that is a pretty silly reason to suspend someone.
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Male 758
Oh, North Carolina, go figure.
I don`t live too terribly far from there...people get offended for me wearing a shirt with `f*ck` on it, or when I`m sitting at a stop light and listening to `devil music`. They especially get confused when they see what vehicle it`s coming from...
They`d be better off sucking it up and moving to a better school district, OUTSIDE the bible belt.
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Male 566
"non-theistic" does not fly in the Bible Belt.
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Male 226
@tedgp
Yeah, having freedom to believe what you want without fear of persecution really sucks. I wish I was told what to believe by force.
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Male 150
Ok, how does a girl getting suspended from school wearing a nose ring make the news, but a boy who won`t wear a school uniform because they think it is linked to the anti-christ not make the news?
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Male 587
"Religion is the belief in and worship of a god or gods, or a set of beliefs concerning the origin and purpose of the universe" Like I said not a real religion and should not be recognized by anyone as such. Get over yourself little girl. Looks like she needs a better role model cause her mom is not doing the job.
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Male 587
"I hope they`re going to stop suspending me and clear some of these absences from my record," Ariana said. "I want to get into a good college." UH REALLY!?! They why would you do something you KNOW to be against school policy to get yourself suspended on purpose. Personally I think religion has no place in school in any way, it is not needed to succeed in this world there fore should be left to church and such. As for her religion sounds like they made it up so a bunch of freaks have somewhere to go. Just another excuse to cause a ruckus like the Lesbo who wanted her own prom then cried about it when no one showed up to it.
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Male 2,033
I belong to the Church of Sloth, it is against my religion to do any work. My employer is targeting me because of my faith!
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Male 2,419
@earlyman
it says they make exceptions for religions, they just don`t recognize her religion as being legitimate
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Female 2,761
I`m not going to touch the "religion" part of this story because that`s bull poo (go ahead, ridicule me now)

but the nose ring? It`s tiny, it`s tasteful and it`s not distracting in the least. They`re idiots for suspending her for it.
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Male 164
Hmm..... Well if policy is policy, I wonder if they would let a Muslim girl wear a full burka to school? Here they are
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Male 3,285
I love how ppl state the first amendment. Thats oen of the reasons your coutnry is the way it is.
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Male 4,807
the Church of Body Modification ??

Well I guess I belong to "the Church to support Farting"
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Male 2,419
"Church of Body Modification"

wtf? do they worship the flying ring monster?
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Male 6,077
Link: Girl GetsSuspended From School For Nose Ring [Rate Link] - Nose ring more than fashion, it`s faith. You bet your sweet ass the First Amendment is being hauled out on this one.
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