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  1. Profile photo of fancylad
    fancylad Male 30-39
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    September 14, 2010 at 12:10 pm
    Link: Extremism: Broken Down For You In Pie Charts - Or, why you can`t judge a group of people on the action or beliefs on an individual.
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    cobrakiller Male 18-29
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    September 14, 2010 at 12:14 pm
    intelligence, most people just dont have it.
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    Altaru Male 18-29
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    September 14, 2010 at 12:15 pm
    What about "Other?"

    Are there any extremist groups that are part of "Other?"

    `Cause that`s what I put my race as for a lot of those stupid studies and surveys and crap I get.
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    T-Marley Male 70 & Over
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    September 14, 2010 at 12:17 pm
    Down with the extremists, up with the moderates!
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    kitka_1994 Male 13-17
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    September 14, 2010 at 12:17 pm
    Why is the KKK in hear twice or are they differnt to the ku klux clan?
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    fatex52986 Male 18-29
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    September 14, 2010 at 12:19 pm
    So true
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    Buiadh Male 30-39
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    September 14, 2010 at 12:20 pm
    America is the most narrow-minded country in the first world, logic won`t change that.
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    kerryfairy82 Female 18-29
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    September 14, 2010 at 12:20 pm
    true, but then i`m british i didn`t need it explaining to me ;)
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    Miquaight Female 18-29
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    September 14, 2010 at 12:25 pm
    *Claps* I struggle with this ignorance so often in my age group it makes me so irritable!
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    meepmaker Male 30-39
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    September 14, 2010 at 12:25 pm
    Word up.
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    duffytoler Male 40-49
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    September 14, 2010 at 12:30 pm
    DEATH TO THE EXTREMISTS!!!
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    crackyhoss Male 18-29
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    September 14, 2010 at 12:33 pm
    Agreed... this needs a higher rating... I`m disappointed in you, I-A-B community!
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    wyvern1984 Male 18-29
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    September 14, 2010 at 12:35 pm
    Well done
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    Skeezer1991 Male 18-29
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    September 14, 2010 at 12:35 pm
    Uhh.. I don`t.
  15. Profile photo of T-Marley
    T-Marley Male 70 & Over
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    September 14, 2010 at 12:37 pm
    Buj, that is pretty dumb. America isn`t perfect, but I wouldn`t say it is the the most narrow minded. Look at the Swiss banning minarets, other countries banning the burqa, and let us not forget the king of narrow-mindedness in Germany, which caused two world wars and the deaths of millions. When it comes to a narrow mind, it`s something we brought with us from Europe, and have struggled to change. The holier than thou attitudes can stop now.

    KKK is there twice because it is a White Christian movement. The most notable group missing from the chart however is PETA.
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    jinxiejae Female 30-39
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    September 14, 2010 at 12:38 pm
    "America is the most narrow-minded country in the first world, logic won`t change that."

    aren`t you just proving the point of this graph?
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    TKD_Master Male 18-29
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    September 14, 2010 at 12:38 pm
    "America is the most narrow-minded country in the first world, logic won`t change that."

    sadly, from what i see, he is right. I`m just glad i don`t contribute to that narrow-mindedness : )

    Also, this is full of win. it shall be posted on my facebook in 3..2..1.
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    ChainsawNbud Male 50-59
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    September 14, 2010 at 12:39 pm
    Buiadh, I`ve met people from many of the "first world" countries, and I can assure you that Americans have a LOT of competition in the most narrow-minded category.
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    AnInsomniac Female 18-29
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    September 14, 2010 at 12:40 pm
    @Buiadh: agreed. We`re not all bad though. Don`t judge all of us as being that narrow-minded, or include all of us in that generalization, or you`re just as narrow-minded as America. ;P
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    ilfg Male 18-29
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    September 14, 2010 at 12:41 pm
    true, but the dot on the heterosexual circle for extremist homophobes is more than just a pixel.
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    edana42 Female 50-59
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    September 14, 2010 at 12:44 pm
    Everyone`s a little bit racist
    Today.
    So, everyone`s a little bit racist
    Okay!
    Ethinic jokes might be uncouth,
    But you laugh because
    They`re based on truth.
    Don`t take them as
    Personal attacks.
    Everyone enjoys them -
    So relax!
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    NottaSpy Male 40-49
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    September 14, 2010 at 12:46 pm
    The answer is simple. The extremists will be ones making the loudest noise even though they are the smallest portion. If you allow the extremists to be the voice of your group, then you have no right to complain about their message.
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    hwkiller Male 18-29
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    September 14, 2010 at 12:55 pm
    "true, but the dot on the heterosexual circle for extremist homophobes is more than just a pixel."
    I doubt it.

    Being "homophobic" (a loaded term anyway, btw) =/= extremist homophobic.
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    gorgack2000 Male 13-17
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    September 14, 2010 at 12:57 pm
    "The answer is simple. The extremists will be ones making the loudest noise even though they are the smallest portion. If you allow the extremists to be the voice of your group, then you have no right to complain about their message."
    That is some of the most insane trolll logic I have ever, ever seen. Wow. Just, wow. Really. That is just insanely bigoted and ignorant.

    I...I just... Wow.
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    hwkiller Male 18-29
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    September 14, 2010 at 12:58 pm
    "The answer is simple. The extremists will be ones making the loudest noise even though they are the smallest portion. If you allow the extremists to be the voice of your group, then you have no right to complain about their message."

    Incredibly false. Super false. Ever hear of Illusory thinking? Illusory correlations? Availability heuristics? Stereotypes? Confirmation bias?
    It`s not the group`s fault that minorities of the group are perceived and remembered for more-noticeable things.
    And the media? C`mon. Don`t blame the group. People tend to perceive extremism and remember extremism far more than moderation"ism" (is that a term?)
    Once you notice it, you may associate a group with the action (even if it was done by a minority of the group) (illusory correlation). Then you`ll only perceive events confirming that false stereotype.
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    Oystah Female 40-49
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    September 14, 2010 at 1:00 pm
    Mmmm pie
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    splurbyburbl Male 30-39
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    September 14, 2010 at 1:02 pm
    I disagree with a lot of this information. I don`t see any sources. I don`t see how this can be taken as factual information. Hell, it looks like someone made this on MS Paint in a few minutes just going on what they think is right.

    Let me ask you this, does this graph show the hundreds of thousands of violent protests by Muslims worldwide (that has caused deaths as well) all because someone threatened to burn a book? Does it mention the hundreds of thousands of Muslims chanting `death to America/Death to Israel" worldwide? I consider it EXTREME behavior when many people become violent when one person threatens to burn a book made of paper. These people are extremists whether they consider themselves to be or not, and they represent much more than a pixel someone put in a blue circle...
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    Hedanito Male 18-29
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    September 14, 2010 at 1:03 pm
    I`m glad I live in the Netherlands :)
    Most people are very open minded here.
    Though there are always some extremists (Wilders).
    But then again, anyone with any sanity here hates him. I have yet to meet a person who agrees with him.
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    hwkiller Male 18-29
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    September 14, 2010 at 1:06 pm
    Splurby, lets say there were 1,000,000 Muslims that *violently* protested the burning (violence is what makes it extreme, yes?), which is a liberal number, btw.

    Of the entire Muslim community, that`s roughly .0066%.
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    premierwondr Male 18-29
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    September 14, 2010 at 1:07 pm
    Who is this directed towards?
    We`re not a hate group I`d be willing to be that less than 5% of IAB is completely opposed to Muslims.
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    Heureux Male 40-49
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    September 14, 2010 at 1:08 pm
    Nottaspy writes: "The answer is simple. The extremists will be ones making the loudest noise even though they are the smallest portion. If you allow the extremists to be the voice of your group, then you have no right to complain about their message."

    Nottaspy lists himself as male.

    The biggest category missing from the graphic is Male. Most extremists of any kind or demographic are male.

    By Nottaspy`s logic, since he allows extremists to be the voice males, he has no right to complain about their message.

    Never mind that his claim is irrational, since the way of countering the voice of extremists

    is to complain about their message.
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    The_Texican Male 18-29
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    September 14, 2010 at 1:09 pm
    Except for the fact that Sharia law is part of their religion and it is completely nuts, all the violent new parts of the Quran take precedence over the old, peaceful parts, and the Muslim religion condones purposely lying to someone if it`s beneficial to the religion.
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    premierwondr Male 18-29
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    September 14, 2010 at 1:10 pm
    More importantly is how many extremists would it take to cause another catastrophe to this country?
    The answer:
    Not many

    No matter what amount or percentage of Muslims are extremists doesn`t really matter to me. There`s enough out there that they are a danger, and Muslim extremists happen to be the most dangerous group right now.

    I wouldn`t say I`m racist against Muslims, but I`m a skeptic haha.
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    primetimekin Male 18-29
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    September 14, 2010 at 1:12 pm
    i wonder what would happen if there was a circle of extremist
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    Heureux Male 40-49
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    September 14, 2010 at 1:12 pm
    hwkiller quoted and replied;
    ""true, but the dot on the heterosexual circle for extremist homophobes is more than just a pixel."
    I doubt it.

    Being "homophobic" (a loaded term anyway, btw) =/= extremist homophobic."

    Doubting reality is how delusion or lies begin.

    Anti-gay prejudice is intrinsically an extremist position. It intrinsically defines millions of human beings as inferior, inspires hate crimes and genocide.

    Extremists in religions, for example, take slivers of the belief and exagerate them to an extreme. But homophobia is only an extreme position.

    hwkiller is making excuses though, trying to minimize the inherent extremeness of anti-gay prejudice, which indicates guilt on his part.
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    Angelmassb Male 18-29
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    September 14, 2010 at 1:15 pm
    Nice how both White and Christians include the KKK
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    markperr Male 50-59
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    September 14, 2010 at 1:16 pm
    This is an extremely simplistic chart. there is so much more to this than what is represented. You couldn`t even scratch the surface on this forum. I give it a d+ It could have been a c- had the author not interjected their personal feelings, along with confused alliences, into the ending paragraph.
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    Heureux Male 40-49
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    September 14, 2010 at 1:16 pm
    "Except for the fact that Sharia law is part of their religion"

    Technically, no. The majority of Muslim`s worldwide do not practice sharia.

    "and it is completely nuts,"

    No, parts of it are.

    "all the violent new parts of the Quran take precedence over the old,"

    There is no such thing as new parts and old parts of the Qu`ran. It was written by one man, in one lifetime.

    "the Muslim religion condones purposely lying to someone if it`s beneficial to the religion."

    Which makes Muslim`s just as human as you, since you have lied purposefully for the benefit of your prejudice.
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    Inter237 Male 18-29
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    September 14, 2010 at 1:17 pm
    Good post. This should bring a little bit of perspective to some of the ignorant people that post. However, I do agree with premierwondr on that most recent post.
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    Heureux Male 40-49
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    September 14, 2010 at 1:17 pm
    "The most notable group missing from the chart however is PETA."

    Naw, PETA is small potatoes in the grand scale of things.

    The chart should`ve included the category Male.
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    Elle1987 Female 18-29
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    September 14, 2010 at 1:20 pm
    i wonder what would happen if there was a circle of extremist

    The world would implode.
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    dax2009 Female 50-59
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    September 14, 2010 at 1:20 pm
    Funny - the only one of the Christian groups I`ve heard of is the KKK. And I rarely if ever here of them now. And when was the last time they blew someone up? And went to another country to do it? Ditto for the Jewish Defense League - and, it seems to me, if the Jews did (or do) have a radical group for self-defense, who in their right mind could blame then?
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    apermal Male 18-29
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    September 14, 2010 at 1:21 pm
    Heurex just won this, brilliant!
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    Gerry1of1 Male 50-59
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    September 14, 2010 at 1:23 pm
    Extremist Gays : The PINK Panthers
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    chinesemath Female 18-29
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    September 14, 2010 at 1:23 pm
    No, people SHOULD be lumped together, I mean I`m American so I`m uncultured, I love football (American football of course), I think every other culture is a threat to America (you`re all terrorists!), If you`re from Asia then you`re all Chinese to me, Scotland/England/Wales/Ireland- whatever, you`re all British (them `uther fancy countries is prob`ly all British too), I`m a fatass, I`m lazy and rude, I`m materialistic, I`m arrogant, I`m selfish, and I also eat breakfast, brunch, lunch, dinner, fourthmeal, and midnight snacks at McDonalds. I`m also a Christian so I hate Gays, Jews, Muslims, etc, and I`m basically psychotic about speading the good word, HALLELUJAH BABY JESUS!
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    APJ311 Male 13-17
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    September 14, 2010 at 1:23 pm
    We`ve been talking about this in my Citizenship class and my teacher made this exact point, which is also my view; she`s an awesome teacher.
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    hwkiller Male 18-29
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    September 14, 2010 at 1:30 pm
    Hereux, no. Just no.

    You`re telling me that someone who disagrees with homosexuality as a practice is just as "extreme" as someone who murders homosexuals or firebombs "gay bars"?

    Don`t tell me that a belief implies extremism. Don`t tell me that I`m trying to justify my "guilt," you untrained internet pseudopsychologist.
    Just because one disagrees with homosexuality does not imply that they hate homosexuals. That in itself is a false belief.
    Those who do not disagree with homosexuality are not necessarily "homophobic" either, hence why I said it`s a loaded term.
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    Volsunga Male 18-29
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    September 14, 2010 at 1:32 pm
    Sorry, but if Extremism includes "Radical opinions on education", Christian extremists are a hell of a lot bigger than the chart suggests.
    It`d be nice to see a real chart based on actual data. As it stands though, this chart is utterly useless.
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    panth753 Female 18-29
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    September 14, 2010 at 1:35 pm
    "Extremist Gays : The PINK Panthers"

    XD

    So anyway, this is so true.
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    hwkiller Male 18-29
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    September 14, 2010 at 1:38 pm
    Those who do* whoops
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    Sinclair Male 30-39
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    September 14, 2010 at 1:39 pm
    As far as Christians go, its debatable whether the KKK are extremist. From what I have read in certain parts of the bible,the KKK are merely following the scriptures to the letter. There are areas in the bible that condemn inter-racial relations. By no means am I on the KKK`s side, I`m just saying that the are just following this old book
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    T-Marley Male 70 & Over
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    September 14, 2010 at 1:41 pm
    It would be nice to see a chart with actual data, but unfortunately every time I ask someone if they are a terrorist or part of the KKK they say no...

    So I don`t think we could trust any study, the chart illustrates its point that the extremists make up a tiny fraction of the base group.
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    mcfudge Male 18-29
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    September 14, 2010 at 1:43 pm
    This is retarded... extremists and radicals are not the same thing. The black panther group are radicals, the KKK are extremists. They cannot be compared. I understand the point, but this chart is heavily flawed.
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    hwkiller Male 18-29
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    September 14, 2010 at 1:43 pm
    Sinclair, no.
    People, because they were preoccupied with race (skin color) took certain verses of the Bible in the context of skin color.
    It says that believers shouldn`t marry unbelievers.
    It says the "light" should not marry the "dark" - - implying not skin color, but whether each person is a believer.

    It doesn`t prohibit interracial marriage at all.
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    osmandias Male 40-49
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    September 14, 2010 at 1:53 pm
    hwkiller: "NottaSpy:"The answer is simple. The extremists will be ones making the loudest noise even though they are the smallest portion. If you allow the extremists to be the voice of your group, then you have no right to complain about their message."

    Incredibly false. Super false."

    No. I`m with NottaSpy here. Any group (calling themself a group, not grouped by others) should watch out for their reputation (if that means something to them). Allowing someone to smear that reputation is like giving it up for the group and for you.
  56. Profile photo of T-Marley
    T-Marley Male 70 & Over
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    September 14, 2010 at 1:54 pm
    McFudge, third one down.

    Define: Radical
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    splurbyburbl Male 30-39
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    September 14, 2010 at 1:54 pm
    I love debating when no real facts can be proven...

    "Technically, no. The majority of Muslim`s worldwide do not practice sharia."

    -Entire countries that do include: Iran Pakistan Saudi Arabia Nigeria Sudan Iraq (prior to 2003) Egypt Bahrain Azerbaijan.

    "No, parts of it are."

    - Yes it is

    "There is no such thing as new parts and old parts of the Qu`ran. It was written by one man, in one lifetime."

    -He started off peaceful and tolerant and became militant, political and intolerant. The Qur`An reflects.

    "Which makes Muslim`s just as human as you, since you have lied purposefully for the benefit of your prejudice."

    -These are not lies. But, I see that you are not refuting the fact that muslims can lie to infidels to further Islam. Would this mean none of them are trustworthy?


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    The_Texican Male 18-29
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    September 14, 2010 at 2:14 pm
    I never said most countries practiced it, I just said it was practiced and included as part of the religion.

    The fact that it was written over the course of a lifetime, even if it was by a single person, means
    that there are older and newer parts of it.

    If the fundamentals of their religion aren`t based on truth and integrity then what does that mean about the finer points of it?

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    CrakrJak Male 40-49
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    September 14, 2010 at 2:16 pm
    They missed all of the `liberal` extremist organizations. EarthFirst, ELF, ALF, PETA, Greenpeace, The Weather Underground, Gay Liberation Front, NARAL, Emily’s List, CodePink, SDS, National Council of La Raza, Democratic Socialists of America, The New Party, Tides Foundation and more.
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    hwkiller Male 18-29
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    September 14, 2010 at 2:16 pm
    @osmandias: What I`m saying is: it doesn`t matter. At all.

    People will perceive and interpret what their pre-existing schemas dictate. They will also perceive and interpret stronger stimuli, like extremists.

    For instance, did you know that the Fiqh councils of America issued a Fatwah denouncing terrorists acts and hateful actions?
    Guess what wasn`t given airtime? The Fiqh council.

    They *HAVE* tried getting rid of that stereotype.
    That`s not what the media presents.
    That`s not what we remember. That`s not what catches our attention.
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    mic_bastid Male 18-29
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    September 14, 2010 at 2:20 pm
    you forgot a bunch of the Muslim crazies
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    MrPeabody Male 30-39
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    September 14, 2010 at 2:22 pm
    @Sinclair

    hwkiller is absolutely right (he beat me to it), the prohibition was of inter-faith marriage not racial.

    I`m sure you have heard of a guy called Moses?
    Well he was married to an Ethiopian woman, and God didn`t seem to mind so much.

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    MrPeabody Male 30-39
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    September 14, 2010 at 2:25 pm
    What God thought of people who spoke against Moses wife:
    Num 12:1 And Miriam and Aaron spake against Moses because of the Ethiopian woman whom he had married: for he had married an Ethiopian woman.
    ...
    Num 12:9 And the anger of the LORD was kindled against them; and he departed.
    Num 12:10 And the cloud departed from off the tabernacle; and, behold, Miriam became leprous, white as snow: and Aaron looked upon Miriam, and, behold, she was leprous.
    um 12:11 And Aaron said unto Moses, Alas, my lord, I beseech thee, lay not the sin upon us, wherein we have done foolishly, and wherein we have sinned.
    ...
    Num 12:13 And Moses cried unto the LORD, saying, Heal her now, O God, I beseech thee.
    Num 12:14 And the LORD said unto Moses, If her father had but spit in her face, should she not be ashamed seven days? let her be shut out from the camp seven days, and after that let her be received in again.



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    deeplick Male 18-29
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    September 14, 2010 at 2:31 pm
    Why are people so stupid about this stuff? So a person who is KKK and a christian makes it the same as a Muslim reading the Koran? NO! The Koran PREACHES hate and killing. Pick up one and read it before speaking. It is as plain as day, the Koran tells Muslims to kill infidels, it tells them to hate those who do not follow their religion, it tells them that if they die killing someone who is a infidel they will get virgins in the after life. Yes that`s such a great religion right, its exactly the same as the bible just because someone who reads the bible happens to be KKK.

    KKK, Black Panters, and Jews are people believe stuff based on growing up that way. Muslims believe hate and death because their little book tells them that is the right way.

    The bible teaches pace and love, it is not the same thing as Muslim reading the Koran.
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    osmandias Male 40-49
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    September 14, 2010 at 2:36 pm
    @hwkiller: "What I`m saying is: it doesn`t matter. At all.

    People will perceive and interpret what their pre-existing schemas dictate."

    Sorry. I got you wrong. You are right that you can`t correct false views if nobody listens to you. But that shouldn`t be an excuse to not even try.
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    neutrino Male 30-39
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    September 14, 2010 at 2:37 pm
    Double whamy for KKK!
    I`m sure they ended up in 2 groups to grab more funding money!!

    :P
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    evanstonian8 Male 40-49
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    September 14, 2010 at 2:49 pm
    Gee, I guess we should just all hug a muslim today since after all, it`s those crazy Christians and Jews blowing up restaurants all across the world. What a great post! Thank you! Let`s just all drink some cool aid together and stick our heads in the sand. I`ve just been so judgmental!!!
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    5Cats Male 50-59
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    September 14, 2010 at 2:56 pm
    Meaningless chart...
    ...is without meaning.
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    5Cats Male 50-59
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    September 14, 2010 at 2:58 pm
    Oh look!
    Christians have krazy groups with maybe 150K members.
    Jews got krazy groups with maybe 75K members.
    Muslims got krazy groups with 8-10 MILLION members!

    EQUAL! Identical even!
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    Volsunga Male 18-29
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    September 14, 2010 at 3:02 pm
    @deeplick
    Have you read the bible? The Koran is just about as hateful and violent as the Christian Bible.
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    trtpow Male 18-29
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    September 14, 2010 at 3:04 pm
    evanstonian8: It would seen that you missed the point of the charts. Also I believe it is *kool aid
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    broizfam Male 60-69
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    September 14, 2010 at 3:23 pm
    @ deeplick:
    I think you may need to pick up a bible and read it, too, before speaking. Look up "Is The Bible More Violent Than The Quran?" by Barbara Bradley Hagerty.
    The violent exhortations at the inception of thousand(s) year old religions don`t define the current practice of those religions be they Muslim, Jewish, Catholic, etc. What they do is give murderers a way to justify, at least to themselves, their horrific crimes against humanity. We of "western religions" can claim no moral highground when our history includes the Crusades, the 2nd Crusades and the Salem witch hunts. Radical fundamentalism NEVER represents the mainstream it purports to. Too many are making that mistake out of fear, leading to unjust prejudice.
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    mykunter Male 40-49
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    September 14, 2010 at 3:24 pm
    Good article
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    Nidonemo Male 18-29
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    September 14, 2010 at 3:27 pm
    Same goes for goths, furries, emos, gays....
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    riathrift Female 18-29
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    September 14, 2010 at 3:29 pm
    @5Cats: Oh look! You have statistics with no evidence to back them! We should totally listen to you!

    Please site sources, should your numbers be anywhere NEAR proven/accurate. Otherwise, they are just as meaningless as you claim the chart above is (which lays no claim to percentages or numbers, just states that pretty much everyone has an extremist group they could be profiled to...)
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    a1butcher Male 40-49
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    September 14, 2010 at 3:32 pm
    5Cats>>
    "Muslims got krazy groups with 8-10 MILLION members!"


    Oh really?
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    omgitsx564 Female 13-17
    30 posts
    September 14, 2010 at 3:49 pm
    what??
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    xhaseox Male 18-29
    519 posts
    September 14, 2010 at 3:55 pm
    correct me if I am wrong but isnt the kkk and the ku klux klan the same thing ?
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    Gleeballs Female 18-29
    850 posts
    September 14, 2010 at 3:56 pm
    im sorry i cant take them seriously.
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    dynamites111 Male 18-29
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    September 14, 2010 at 3:57 pm
    Ironically it is usually the extremists that are the most prejudiced and sees entire groups of other people as extremists.
  81. Profile photo of Dfaulted
    Dfaulted Male 13-17
    1920 posts
    September 14, 2010 at 4:05 pm
    Why is there the KKK and the ku klux klan?
  82. Profile photo of D3rAnG3d
    D3rAnG3d Male 18-29
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    September 14, 2010 at 4:10 pm
    shut yo` face hole!
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    XShikamaruX Female 13-17
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    September 14, 2010 at 4:12 pm
    one time our social studies teacher made us watch a vid on mulsim extremists. sadly, all the students didnt understand the concept "extremists." sadly, everyone in our school hated and/or were afraid of muslims afterwards XD
  84. Profile photo of bigbangbilly
    bigbangbilly Male 13-17
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    September 14, 2010 at 4:12 pm
    I am glad that Asians and agnostics are not on the list.
  85. Profile photo of CrakrJak
    CrakrJak Male 40-49
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    September 14, 2010 at 4:14 pm
    a1butcher: There are over a billion muslims in the world, It would only take 1% of them to add up to 10 million extremists. That`s not a hard percentage to prove for any group.
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    xxxveganxxx Male 13-17
    383 posts
    September 14, 2010 at 4:28 pm
    Waaait! The Christian extremist group isn`t that big?
  87. Profile photo of Max_Normal
    Max_Normal Male 30-39
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    September 14, 2010 at 4:37 pm
    Since when have you had to be an extremist to hate America?
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    IssaTheFiend Female 18-29
    2353 posts
    September 14, 2010 at 4:44 pm
    Don`t fall into any of those groups. Haha Jewish Defence League?
  89. Profile photo of Zoda
    Zoda Male 13-17
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    September 14, 2010 at 4:48 pm
    Since when have you had to be an extremist to hate America?

    9-11-01
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    betardfooser Male 30-39
    558 posts
    September 14, 2010 at 5:12 pm
    is thinking Zoda might have stumbled onto the wrong website...
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    handys003 Male 50-59
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    September 14, 2010 at 5:24 pm
    Left out Muslims such as Hezbollah, Al-Queda etc..
    Liberal ultra leftists such as Commies, Anarchism, Democratic Socialism, Peta, Atheist,
    Conservative ultra right such as Fox news, Army of God, Tea baggers, feudalistic societies etc...
    Did I miss anybody?
    As a moderate I try to be an open to all Douche bag groups. ;)
  92. Profile photo of turbopuppy
    turbopuppy Male 30-39
    158 posts
    September 14, 2010 at 5:27 pm
    Well I guess Obama was wrong and the world largely loves U.S. people
  93. Profile photo of GuardinGnome
    GuardinGnome Male 18-29
    2893 posts
    September 14, 2010 at 5:44 pm
    Yeah, I`ve always known this.
    It`s just fun to make fun of people who aren`t me.
  94. Profile photo of GuardinGnome
    GuardinGnome Male 18-29
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    September 14, 2010 at 5:45 pm
    @handys003
    Nope, the Muslims are at the bottom.
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    angelo0317 Male 18-29
    331 posts
    September 14, 2010 at 5:48 pm
    I do not fall into one of them groups. I really don`t give a rats rear end about extremist. They need to chill out. Hey, maybe I`m a hippie? YAY!
  96. Profile photo of itri
    itri Male 30-39
    15 posts
    September 14, 2010 at 5:52 pm
    What this pie chart so eloquently leaves it out is the belief system of each group, where Muslims base value is you should be Muslim and we will convert you. Christians believe that they must convert everyone to Christianity. One does it with Hate the other does it with guilt and fear. Whites and Blacks should not be categorized when you are talking about religion (especially since 3 of the 5 or religious), since you have whites and blacks as both Christians and Muslims. The Pie Chart also left out Atheists, and Agnostics. And you don’t have to be a Christian or White to be in the KKK remember Clayton Bigsbee? ;>
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    RubixCuban Male 18-29
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    September 14, 2010 at 5:55 pm
    anyone involved in any religion other than pastafarian is wrong.
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    RubixCuban Male 18-29
    99 posts
    September 14, 2010 at 5:57 pm
    @itri

    you dont have to be white to be in the KKK? wow that is news to me
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    shappy Male 18-29
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    September 14, 2010 at 6:18 pm
    i need to show this to my dad
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    whyme73 Male 18-29
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    September 14, 2010 at 6:19 pm
    KKK only hides behind bible. They are not really affiliated with christians. Christians hate them because they do that.
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    almightybob1 Male 18-29
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    September 14, 2010 at 6:27 pm
    KKK only hides behind bible. They are not really affiliated with christians. Christians hate them because they do that.
    Classic goalpost shifting.
    Who decides who is "really affiliated" with Christians? You?
  102. Profile photo of almightybob1
    almightybob1 Male 18-29
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    September 14, 2010 at 6:30 pm
    The Pie Chart also left out Atheists, and Agnostics.
    That`s because atheism and agnosticism are not subsets of any category, and there are no extremist atheist groups just like there are no extremist non-dentist groups.
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    almightybob1 Male 18-29
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    September 14, 2010 at 6:32 pm
    Crakr: There are over 2 billion Christians in the world, It would only take 1% of them to add up to 20 million extremists. That`s not a hard percentage to prove for any group.

    Therefore there are 20 million Christian extremists, not 150k like 5Cats claimed.

    That`s how you`re saying it works, right?
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    RoboPatton Male 30-39
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    September 14, 2010 at 6:45 pm
    This is why I hate everyone, just to be on the safe side.
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    Fatninja01 Male 30-39
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    September 14, 2010 at 6:45 pm
    meh
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    djlazar Male 30-39
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    September 14, 2010 at 6:58 pm
    Preachy. Too preachy for IAB.
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    mcmonkeyman Male 13-17
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    September 14, 2010 at 7:01 pm
    im none of these... so i win
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    FrigginMo Male 18-29
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    September 14, 2010 at 7:10 pm
    Loved it. Tea Party belongs in the Christian group, however.
  109. Profile photo of DavioMagnifi
    DavioMagnifi Male 13-17
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    September 14, 2010 at 7:30 pm
    "Loved it. Tea Party belongs in the Christian group, however."
    The tea party isnt a religious group, its political. And this is about extremist groups.
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    xtreme_dude Male 18-29
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    September 14, 2010 at 7:33 pm
    I-A-B. PLEASE stop starting arguments.
  111. Profile photo of mykunter
    mykunter Male 40-49
    2424 posts
    September 14, 2010 at 7:34 pm
    There is no God.
    F*ck Muslims.
    Did the KKK ever fly planes into buildings?
    How about the Black Panthers?
    There is no such thing as a moderate Muslim.
    They want to convert me or destroy me.
    Game on.

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    cyborgmonkey Male 13-17
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    September 14, 2010 at 7:39 pm
    i`m mexican and currently not a member of any church!! i`m neutral!
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    Ari-- Female 18-29
    119 posts
    September 14, 2010 at 7:43 pm
    afn commercials preach otherwise...everyone could be a terrorist!
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    Facehooker Female 30-39
    68 posts
    September 14, 2010 at 7:44 pm
    I can honestly say I am not a racist. I love n!ggers, wetbacks, Japs, Zip-Zaps, what-have-you, everybody!
  115. Profile photo of itri
    itri Male 30-39
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    September 14, 2010 at 7:48 pm
    @RubixCuban – do a quick google search on Clayton Bigsbee… you should enjoy it.
    @almightybob1 – I was pointing out the fact that the pie chart is invalid because it is joining two distinct lists together as one. To say there are not extremist Atheist is wrong. I am sure they are out there plotting sweet sweet revenge against the believers, the do this by planting a seed and watching them squirm and whine and complain, while we sit back and laugh… <chasing tail>
  116. Profile photo of premierwondr
    premierwondr Male 18-29
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    September 14, 2010 at 7:52 pm
    So at the end of the day we can all agree that Muslims are still the scariest of this group right?
    Surely no American fears a single one of those groups except the Muslim extremists.
    Right? I mean no one is actually expecting an attack anywhere in the world by the KKK, JDL, etc.
    But come every global event (World Cup for example) there is a fear that Muslims will attack because hey, they drating hate everything that isn`t them.
    So as I said before, it`s not the numbers, it`s the current status of things. Muslims are more dangerous because at this present point in time they are active and militant.
    I`m all for love people for who they are and accept this and that, but don`t put your blinders on just yet.
  117. Profile photo of Cajun247
    Cajun247 Male 18-29
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    September 14, 2010 at 8:12 pm
    Do you want us to fear all muslims premierwondr?
  118. Profile photo of splurbyburbl
    splurbyburbl Male 30-39
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    September 14, 2010 at 8:21 pm
    "Do you want us to fear all muslims premierwondr?"

    People would be fools not to fear that brand of extremism. Islam is extremism pure and simple. Most religion is really, but the Christians and Jews are not slaughtering people the world over these days. But Islam is prime breeding ground for extremsism. Double that with the fact that not one muslim in the world can be trusted... by their own admission considering they can (and do) lie to further the cause of Islam. (Eat pork, have sex, watch porn... anything to make us think they are normal... then they fly planes into biuldnings.) The whole entire religion is a huge catalyst for terrorism and will always be this way. I am sure there are many, many great people out there who are muslims, but the extremists will kill you (and them) anyways. These are the facts. So be afraid?... hell yeah I am afraid.
  119. Profile photo of paddy215
    paddy215 Male 18-29
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    September 14, 2010 at 8:23 pm
    "So at the end of the day we can all agree that Muslims are still the scariest of this group right?"

    No we can`t, anyone with any sort of common sense would know that if you live in a western country you are FAR more likely to be done harm by whites, blacks etc.. than muslims. You`re the kind of person this post is aimed at and you still missed the point.
  120. Profile photo of mykunter
    mykunter Male 40-49
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    September 14, 2010 at 8:24 pm
    Well said premierwondr
    Cajun, a Muslim is a Muslim is a Muslim.
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    Moosh Female 18-29
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    September 14, 2010 at 8:29 pm
    I liked the Black Panthers when they were first created. Then they got weird.
  122. Profile photo of paddy215
    paddy215 Male 18-29
    1677 posts
    September 14, 2010 at 8:32 pm
    "but the Christians and Jews are not slaughtering people the world over these days."

    Apparently Christians and Jews aren`t killing people in Iraq and Palestine, its only the angry muslims, how dare they fight back when you invade their country or steal their land.
  123. Profile photo of Cajun247
    Cajun247 Male 18-29
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    September 14, 2010 at 8:37 pm
    Islam is extremism pure and simple
    Tell that to the Muslims in America, Europe, and Turkey.
  124. Profile photo of Cajun247
    Cajun247 Male 18-29
    10742 posts
    September 14, 2010 at 8:38 pm
    mykunter
    A Jew is a Jew is a Jew.
    A Christian is a Christian is a Christian.
    A Racist is a Racist is a Racist.
  125. Profile photo of mykunter
    mykunter Male 40-49
    2424 posts
    September 14, 2010 at 8:39 pm
    paddy are you a Muslim sympathizer or just a Muslim? I guess it really doesn`t matter.
    Up against the wall!
  126. Profile photo of mykunter
    mykunter Male 40-49
    2424 posts
    September 14, 2010 at 8:41 pm
    Cajun, if you are really cajun, these people want you dead.
  127. Profile photo of CrakrJak
    CrakrJak Male 40-49
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    September 14, 2010 at 8:42 pm
    almightybob1: I said it wouldn`t be hard to prove for any group, That would include Atheists and Liberal groups as well.

    Now what those different `extremists` ACTUALLY DO is not the same. Some just protest, Some form groups and lobby politicians, But so far only extremist muslims have hijacked and flown planes into buildings.

    So trying to say that one extremist group is just like another is wrong, One of those groups just isn`t the same.

  128. Profile photo of 5Cats
    5Cats Male 50-59
    33126 posts
    September 14, 2010 at 8:43 pm
    VV @a1butcher & @riathrift from a previous IAB arguement thread, some 5-8% of all Muslims actively endorse terrorism against infedel civilians. Giving them a lot of slack, that easily gives 10-20 million members for the krazy groups.

    My POINT is that it`s typical `liberal` reasoning here: Muslims got terrorist groups? Oh 1000 years ago there was Crusades, so "WE are just as bad".

    Um, no! Crazy, illegal groups with tiny memberships DOES NOT EQUAL the current Jihadist movement.
  129. Profile photo of mykunter
    mykunter Male 40-49
    2424 posts
    September 14, 2010 at 8:43 pm
    read this
  130. Profile photo of Cajun247
    Cajun247 Male 18-29
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    September 14, 2010 at 8:44 pm
    @splurbyburbl
    I wonder what Baalthazaaq would have say about that.
    [quote"> they can (and do) lie to further the cause of Islam[/quote">.
    You really understand a thing about Taqiyya do you? It is meant to protect themselves oppression. Plus anyone can lie many times in their life. That doesn`t mean they`re going to do it everytime.
  131. Profile photo of Cajun247
    Cajun247 Male 18-29
    10742 posts
    September 14, 2010 at 8:45 pm
    these people want you dead
    No it`s Al Qaeda who wants me dead NOT the Muslim community.
  132. Profile photo of splurbyburbl
    splurbyburbl Male 30-39
    2798 posts
    September 14, 2010 at 8:46 pm
    "Apparently Christians and Jews aren`t killing people in Iraq and Palestine, its only the angry muslims, how dare they fight back when you invade their country or steal their land."

    Iraq and Palestine are not `The World Over`... hence why I said... `The World Over. Meaning many, many different countries from Russia to the UK to the USA. THE WORLD OVER.
  133. Profile photo of Cajun247
    Cajun247 Male 18-29
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    September 14, 2010 at 8:48 pm
    @mykunter

    I`ve found the group McCarthy is looking for.
  134. Profile photo of Cajun247
    Cajun247 Male 18-29
    10742 posts
    September 14, 2010 at 8:50 pm
    And what solution do you propose for our "Muslim Problem" splurby?
  135. Profile photo of han5nah
    han5nah Female 13-17
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    September 14, 2010 at 8:52 pm
    Guys, really, dont even bother commenting on this one. The only people that are going to argue it (that all muslims are extremists, or an argument like it) are those that are mis- or uninformed.
  136. Profile photo of splurbyburbl
    splurbyburbl Male 30-39
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    September 14, 2010 at 8:52 pm
    "You really understand a thing about Taqiyya do you? It is meant to protect themselves oppression. Plus anyone can lie many times in their life. That doesn`t mean they`re going to do it everytime."

    Yes, in fact I have done a lot of research in the subject. And why should I care what Baal would say? This subject has been brought up many times and I have read everything the man has said about these subjects before. It didn`t sway my opinion. I know full and well that not all Muslims are extremists and I think I know that not all of them are practicing Taqiyya 24 hours a day if ever. The point I was very clear about is that Islam breeds more extremist behavior than anything and the fact that they have Taqiyya as an option makes them very hard to trust at any given time. It`s their own damn fault... their own scripture is their own downfall in these matters.
  137. Profile photo of mykunter
    mykunter Male 40-49
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    September 14, 2010 at 8:54 pm
    Could be more lies to perpeptuate their cause, I just don`t know, or trust them.
  138. Profile photo of Cajun247
    Cajun247 Male 18-29
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    September 14, 2010 at 8:57 pm
    It`s not Islam in general it`s Qutbism. Al Qaeda adheres to Qutbism and so does the Taliban and other extremists sects.
  139. Profile photo of splurbyburbl
    splurbyburbl Male 30-39
    2798 posts
    September 14, 2010 at 9:03 pm
    "Well then splurby don`t go fearing your next door neighbor just because he is Muslim. It is Al Qaeda and the extremist groups you should worry about PERIOD."

    Noted. Fear to me is not cowering in a corner or being paranoid... it simply means being cautious and respecting negative possibilities (to have a plan in place if something goes wrong). I have fellow Marines I know who are practicing Muslims. Super nice people, fun to hang with... But it still does not change my opinion about the outspoken extremist minority and how they have completely overshadowed any peaceful muslim out there.

    If the peaceful Islamic world were so damn concerned about their image worldwide, they would rise up against all their extremist counterparts. But they don`t and I question why.They have the numbers...
  140. Profile photo of Arvz
    Arvz Male 18-29
    236 posts
    September 14, 2010 at 9:27 pm
    Alright Asians! (the south eastern ones)
  141. Profile photo of HKelch
    HKelch Male 30-39
    113 posts
    September 14, 2010 at 9:38 pm
    they forgot the Democrats
  142. Profile photo of 5Cats
    5Cats Male 50-59
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    September 14, 2010 at 9:59 pm
    Oh, for those who are too lazy to look this up:
    KKK = 10,000 or less currently
    Concerned Cristians = under 1,000
    Hutaree = under 100
    the other two groups existed in Romania BEFORE WW2 ended

    So what`s the point of this grapic again? OH YEAH to say Christians are just as bad as Muslims.

    Because 11,000 > 11,000,000 or else you are racist!
  143. Profile photo of howlingwolf
    howlingwolf Male 18-29
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    September 14, 2010 at 10:03 pm
    Makes perfect sense and is what I have always believed (just put down clearly in words). One thing I got to nitpick though, doesn`t KKK=Ku Klux Klan? Why was it mentioned as on of THE extremist groups for both categories?
  144. Profile photo of Baalthazaq
    Baalthazaq Male 18-29
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    September 14, 2010 at 10:07 pm
    "The fact that they have Taqiyya as an option"

    Judaism, and Christianity, both have it too. Only Islam gets the funky Arabic word used, because then it`s easy to demonize.

    Like Jihad (Which can apply to Mahatma Ghandi`s struggle or the women`s rights movement).
    Madrassa (which is just "school")
    Fatwa, and so on, and so forth.

    "It`as something different! Look scary Arabic word!"

    It`s bullpoo. Utter bullpoo. I can produce page after page after page of Atheists pretending not to be Atheists, lying to their family for decades.

    You know what that is? Taqiyya.

    Taqiyya in Catholicism: "The right to the communication of the truth is not unconditional."
    Taqiyya in Judaism: "There are four important Talmudic texts that deal with the issue of permissible decep
  145. Profile photo of Baalthazaq
    Baalthazaq Male 18-29
    4548 posts
    September 14, 2010 at 10:11 pm
    So basically, Taqiyya is acceptable. In pretty much every religion or lack there of, and in fact is a more moral choice than the alternative.

    The alternative being giving up Jews to the Nazis, cos lying would be wrong.
  146. Profile photo of Baalthazaq
    Baalthazaq Male 18-29
    4548 posts
    September 14, 2010 at 10:23 pm
    "@a1butcher & @riathrift from a previous IAB arguement thread, some 5-8% of all Muslims actively endorse terrorism against infedel civilians. Giving them a lot of slack, that easily gives 10-20 million members for the krazy groups."

    Wow, 10 times higher than the highest estimates for Islamic Terrorists given by Islamophobes like Pipes.

    THEN using your own made up figures for further arguments.

    SWEET.

    Well, ok, 43% of the nationalist vote went to IRA at one point. They`re more or less Christians... so lets see... easily 200 million.
  147. Profile photo of davymid
    davymid Male 30-39
    12140 posts
    September 14, 2010 at 11:37 pm
    Down with the extremists, up with the moderates!
    Almost right, what you meant was "Down with the extremists, up with the moderators!"
  148. Profile photo of Baalthazaq
    Baalthazaq Male 18-29
    4548 posts
    September 14, 2010 at 11:42 pm
    Ah, what the hell, I started a new Blog recently. I`ll be filling it up as I get data with stuff like this, but properly researched and numbers included.

    This is amongst other things an opportunity for you to post questions and highlight things you feel are important.

    I`m getting together researchers of all faiths and nationalities, and will include some of their details in the stats when I get them.

    Linky.

    On a side note, the 200 million is obviously intended to be absurd. However, even Cat5`s numbers don`t quite amount to the KKK.

    America has about 1/4 the population of Islam.
    America had 3-6 million KKK members.

    This means you`re looking at 1->2% of the population in the Klan.

    Even 10-20 million comes to 1 to 2% of Muslims.
    I`ve not seen estimates >1.8 million.
  149. Profile photo of evanstonian8
    evanstonian8 Male 40-49
    76 posts
    September 15, 2010 at 12:21 am
    To TRTPOW: Let`s see if I can put this in terms you might understand: Not all people who glorify Hitler in their profile can be labeled a Nazi or a member of the KKK outright. But we can be at least 100 percent sure that anyone condoning hatred and Nazism (as evidenced in their profile photo which gives a shout out to De Furor), is probably a Douche in real life who is a candidate for the Jerry Springer Show. And so back to the charts: I say again, the muslims are the ones who justify the mass murder of innocent people for the crime of not submitting to their views. NOT any other religion or people. And has anyone taken notice that the so called "moderate" muslims haven`t taken any effective stand against their own extreme people? So go ahead and defend them (and your own form of Hitler loving extremism), but leave the rest of civilized society out of it. Peace out. And I don`t really care that I misspelled Kool Aid.

  150. Profile photo of CrakrJak
    CrakrJak Male 40-49
    17514 posts
    September 15, 2010 at 1:34 am
    Baalthazaq: The Klan does not have anywhere near 3 million and certainly not 6 million members, Even if you counted the population of all the similar groups like the Aryan Nation and the American Nazi Party. Those groups have faded to near obscurity.

    I know you are proud of your faith and hate to see it raked through the mud, But just who is causing it more shame ? It`s those waving knifes in the air screaming "Death to America", Arming children with AK-47s, Burning American flags, and holding signs that read `Behead those that insult islam` or `Burn The Quran, You Burn In Hell`.

    Sure America has it`s own shameful actors, But they get blown out of proportion and used as propaganda in the middle-east to erroneously describe all Americans, Including Obama.
  151. Profile photo of paddyt07
    paddyt07 Male 18-29
    1067 posts
    September 15, 2010 at 1:53 am
    This is what I`ve been saying to some of the idiots that live near me when they`re saying how the muslims are gonna bomb them. It`s just like NO.
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    aseirinn Male 70 & Over
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    September 15, 2010 at 1:55 am
    Most Europeans countries have refused to classify Hezbollah as a terrorist organization, but Israel, Australia and Canada regard it in whole or in part as such.


    From Wikipedia, the free encyclopedia
  153. Profile photo of CrakrJak
    CrakrJak Male 40-49
    17514 posts
    September 15, 2010 at 2:30 am
    10 Questions that should be asked and answered.
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    Northernwolf
    304 posts
    September 15, 2010 at 3:40 am
    How about we all just try and get along?
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    SephirothA83 Male 18-29
    955 posts
    September 15, 2010 at 4:27 am
    John Hawkins is a professional blogger who runs Right Wing News......../facepalm

    more conservative poo shoveling dribble. At least it`s a blog and opinion article that no one that actually wants to discuss the topic gives two poos about.
  156. Profile photo of splurbyburbl
    splurbyburbl Male 30-39
    2798 posts
    September 15, 2010 at 4:44 am
    "Judaism, and Christianity, both have it too. Only Islam gets the funky Arabic word used, because then it`s easy to demonize."

    That may be so, but it just does not seem to be a theme that represents a large threat. True... every group of people has it`s liars trying to push agenda`s; it`s a fact of life. However, it seems Islam has some major players that not only are causing massive damage on a global scale, but represent a very large threat to free thinking entities. It is backwards and I simply don`t blame anyone for condemning an entire religion based on it`s propensity to produce not only extremism, but widespread and very deadly extremism at that.

    Baal, I have always respected you because you seem to be a very smart man. What are the truly peaceful majority of Muslims doing about these huge threats coming from their circles?
  157. Profile photo of GuardinGnome
    GuardinGnome Male 18-29
    2893 posts
    September 15, 2010 at 4:57 am
    @everyone who seems to be against Muslims
    I know some Muslims and I`m pretty sure they wouldn`t blow me to hell with a bomb strapped to their chest anytime in the future.........
    So I`m just going to assume that you all hate everything.
    I can see why because I too hate everything, that tries to kill me.............
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    som-tam Male 18-29
    714 posts
    September 15, 2010 at 5:04 am
    the difference is that most churches wouldn`t sell kkk dvds in there car park. Watch dispatches undercover mosque.

    we`ve seen what goes on when they think their alone, the bigotry and hatred for western culture.

    the longer we pretend it doesn`t go on the worse it will get....
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    almightybob1 Male 18-29
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    September 15, 2010 at 5:28 am
    Some just protest, Some form groups and lobby politicians, But so far only extremist muslims have hijacked and flown planes into buildings.
    Protesting is not extremism. Peaceful assembly is a human right.

    And so far, only extremist Christians have murdered and blown up abortion clinics in America and thrown acid in the faces of doctors doing their jobs, or rampaged across Europe killing Muslims in the 1200s.

    I see you couldn`t find any images of George Tiller for the pro-life section of your montage?
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    GRadde Male 18-29
    2556 posts
    September 15, 2010 at 5:30 am
    >CrakrJak
    America has it`s shameful actors that are blown out of proportion over there. But aren`t the rest of many other western media doing the same thing with the, to use your wording, shameful actors over there, and blowing it out of proportion in the States, among other places?
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    almightybob1 Male 18-29
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    September 15, 2010 at 5:30 am
    Sure America has it`s own shameful actors, But they get blown out of proportion and used as propaganda in the middle-east to erroneously describe all Americans, Including Obama.

    Surely I am not the only one literally laughing out loud at the irony of this statement.
  162. Profile photo of 5Cats
    5Cats Male 50-59
    33126 posts
    September 15, 2010 at 5:40 am
    VV Baalth America HAD that many KKKers, the operative word being HAD. That was 50+ years ago.
    NOW there`s under 10K members, okie? If this is an example of your `properly researched data` then idk...
    I hope that `200 million voted for the IRA` is just a typo, lolz!!! That`d put Ireland`s population at 500 million.
    Are you willing to count all those who voted for extremeist parties in Iran? Pakistan? Egypt? &etc. Because I`m pretty sure that`s actually in the 200 million range, easily.
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    5Cats Male 50-59
    33126 posts
    September 15, 2010 at 5:45 am
    @Almightybob1, had to go back 800 years to find support eh? Lmao!
    One crazy guy throws acid, check. Dozends of girls in Afghanistan getting acid or killed for attending school? Honor killings? You`re making moral equivilance here? I`d say it`s unbalanced, not equal. Being in denial about it, as @som-tam suggests, is a bad idea...
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    Satkela Female 18-29
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    September 15, 2010 at 6:57 am
    Amen...I say to hell with extremism!
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    TalcumX Male 50-59
    561 posts
    September 15, 2010 at 7:09 am
    how about a pie chart on subjectivism hmmm?
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    NitroJunkie Male 70 & Over
    758 posts
    September 15, 2010 at 7:29 am
    Personally, I`m just shooting for abolishing religion. It`ll help to solve so many problems this world has.
  167. Profile photo of paddy215
    paddy215 Male 18-29
    1677 posts
    September 15, 2010 at 7:39 am
    "paddy are you a Muslim sympathizer or just a Muslim?" Neither, I`m just not mentally retarded enough to think that a tiny percentage of extremists represent the entire membership of a massive religion. I live in Northern Ireland, a place where terrorist attacks have been carried out regularly for a very long time, and not once have i heard of a Muslim carrying out any of these attacks.

    By the way, just out of interest, how many Muslims have you ever came across with the name "Paddy" and an alcoholic drink as their display picture?
  168. Profile photo of DavidXJ
    DavidXJ Male 30-39
    1106 posts
    September 15, 2010 at 8:06 am
    Blah, blah, blah. Muslims aren`t the enemy. WE KNOW ALREADY!
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    almightybob1 Male 18-29
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    September 15, 2010 at 8:26 am
    @Almightybob1, had to go back 800 years to find support eh? Lmao!
    Oh, so historical atrocities are acceptable? I didn`t know that. How long before 9/11 becomes fine then?
    And no, I didn`t have to go back 800 years. I only had to go back 1 year, to George Tiller`s murder.

    One crazy guy throws acid, check.
    There have been dozens of acid attacks, murders and bombings on abortion clinics and doctors practicing abortions, not one.
    There`s a good list on Wikipedia, "Anti-abortion violence".

    You`re making moral equivilance here?
    Nope, but I`m told there was a man who once said something about "He who is without sin...".

    Being in denial about it, as @som-tam suggests, is a bad idea...
    I`m not in denial. Terrible things have been done in the name of Islam, just as terrible things have been done in the name of Christianity. I see no reason to fear one more than the o
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    Wildcats2008 Male 18-29
    237 posts
    September 15, 2010 at 8:43 am
    The little paragraph at the end is totally wrong.

    I`m a white male, according to the main stream media and certain activists if I disagree with the President or any minority group I`m a racist. (i.e. I`m against healthcare because I`m a racist, or I`m again the Ground Zero mosque because I don`t like Muslims).

    If you`re white and conservative then there are a lot of people out there that will assume you`re an extremist even if your beliefs are among the majority opinion.
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    Miss_Jenny Female 18-29
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    September 15, 2010 at 9:15 am
    Pure win.
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    madduck Female 50-59
    7611 posts
    September 15, 2010 at 9:31 am
    Crakr? Questions? 1)See link for brevity 2) Qualify your allignment. 3)That is an old logic problem- but you cannot just assume that all moslems lie. 4)It can be hard to tell if someone is trying to deceive, but a little homework would help. 5)Yes- we should ask, these customs are not compatible 6)How long do you have? 7)Often cultural- how long have western attitudes to women been better? Not that long 8) It has a lot to do with Israel, and the perception of the west caused by our support of Israel 9)Not all of Islam is intolerant by a long shot, and don`t Christian ask the same tolerance? 10)Absolutely. http://islam.about.com/cs/currentevents/a/9_11statements.htm
  173. Profile photo of togoth
    togoth Male 13-17
    129 posts
    September 15, 2010 at 9:35 am
    finally... cos i have been trying to say this years...
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    Alpha1971 Male 30-39
    364 posts
    September 15, 2010 at 10:24 am
    Because Christians, Jews, blacks, and whites haven`t flown airplanes into buildings for the purpose of terrorism.

    These people keep forgetting that part of the equation.
  175. Profile photo of 5Cats
    5Cats Male 50-59
    33126 posts
    September 15, 2010 at 10:37 am
    I see no reason to fear one more than the other
    Then those rose-coloured glasses you wear also double as blinders, eh?

    Did ANY Christian leaders come out and support killing or tossing acid on abortionists? One even? NO! But Imams and clerics across Islam not only praise terrorism, the open advocate it; and they keep their jobs! Their congregation doesn`t boot them, their peers don`t expell them, their higher-ups don`t excomunicate them.

    You can point at one mole-hill, and point at one mountain, and SAY they`re exactly the same all you like! I disagree.
  176. Profile photo of JeffBeau
    JeffBeau Male 30-39
    180 posts
    September 15, 2010 at 10:51 am
    They forgot the ADL in the `Jews` pie and NAACP in the `Blacks` pie. Also, KKK is hardly exclusively Christian.

    Hard to understand why people so hateful against people who act out against abortion clinics but never acknowledge the violence and murder meted out on innocent babies. Like `partial-birth-abortion` where they grab the fully formed & viable baby`s head and drill its brains out.

    While you`re busy ripping Christians and soft peddling Muslims because somehow Christians are so intolerant, consider where is it that sinners (e.g., thieves, rapists, fornicators, adulterers, homosexuals) are publicly beaten, stoned, mutilated, hanged and shot? And how about an international law against anything offensive to religion?

    Hint: cnsnews.com/news/article/75141
  177. Profile photo of CrakrJak
    CrakrJak Male 40-49
    17514 posts
    September 15, 2010 at 11:20 am
    madduck: Israel does not affect 98% of muslims in the middle-east at all, Yet they are propagandized, Erroneously, As evil. Pretty much the same antisemitism Hitler used to justify genocide. It`s not acceptable, Israel will remain and they need to get over it.
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    spanerbulb Male 30-39
    1244 posts
    September 15, 2010 at 11:31 am
    Alpha, consider the misery and death caused by Whites, Christians and Jews over the centurys and hopefully you will realsie that your view is a little narrow and disproportionate. The fact is that 9/11 seems to be blown out of all proportion simply because it happened to a country which percieved itself to be invulnarable. To use this event as a way of justifying a bias against a group of people is a little demented. That said I would like to see an end to ALL religeon and a unified human race with a set of common sense goals, then perhaps some progress might be made and our species may survive it past the next millenium.
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    Spider_sol Male 18-29
    1452 posts
    September 15, 2010 at 12:11 pm
    Why is the KKK a subset of Christianity?
  180. Profile photo of almightybob1
    almightybob1 Male 18-29
    4290 posts
    September 15, 2010 at 12:26 pm
    Nothing to say about the other points then. I guess I`ll just assume 9/11 arbitrarily becomes acceptable after 800 years, like the Crusades.

    Did ANY Christian leaders come out and support killing or tossing acid on abortionists? One even? NO!
    Yes. The groups that organised and carried out these attacks are Christian, including their leaders. Unless you seriously believe that all these people are capable of organising bomb attacks on their own?
    Roeder was part of Operation Rescue at the time he killed Dr. Tiller. He had the phone number of the director in his car, and she admitted telling him where Tiller would be (although at first she denied contact with him).
    They may SAY they condemn the attacks, but you`d have to be pretty naive to believe that.

    (Hold on... lying to protect themselves... would that be taqiyya?)


    No doubt you`ll argue my defining them as Christian leaders or employ "Not a true Christian", but yeah.
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    madduck Female 50-59
    7611 posts
    September 15, 2010 at 1:50 pm
    You are right- Israel may not affect every-one in the middle east, but it does affect the fact that many radicalised, politicised moslems see the west as an enemy. Rightly or wrongly they feel that we have supported the removal of islamic people from their homeland. It is not something that will ever be a concluded argument- but it would be naive to think that it has no effect. Israel will remain- we cannot justly undo it. But Palestinians have had a raw deal and, whilst Israel has been demonised, we need to be seen to address that in a fair and unbiased way.
  182. Profile photo of premierwondr
    premierwondr Male 18-29
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    September 15, 2010 at 2:02 pm
    "Rightly or wrongly they feel that we have supported the removal of islamic people from their homeland"

    I wish more people understood what Palestine looked like (physically & politically) before it became Israel. In short it was a joke. Take a college class to learn more on that one.
  183. Profile photo of premierwondr
    premierwondr Male 18-29
    975 posts
    September 15, 2010 at 2:08 pm
    "I`m just not mentally retarded enough to think that a tiny percentage of extremists represent the entire membership of a massive religion."

    We`re not saying that. What we are saying is that Muslim extremists pose a threat far greater than extremist groups from any other nationality, religion, etc.
    I`ll say it again.There doesn`t need to be millions of Muslim extremists. The 1000s of militant Muslims along with their multi-million dollar bank accounts, political/military influence `make up` for that.

    One more quick point.
    I don`t belong to any organizations that Christians/Jews/Blacks target.
    However, I was born an American, and I live in NYC. Do you see why I would fear Muslim extremists now?
  184. Profile photo of premierwondr
    premierwondr Male 18-29
    975 posts
    September 15, 2010 at 2:24 pm
    "I`m just not mentally retarded enough to think that a tiny percentage of extremists represent the entire membership of a massive religion."

    We`re not saying that. What we are saying is that Muslim extremists pose a threat far greater than extremist groups from any other nationality, religion, etc.
    I`ll say it again.There doesn`t need to be millions of Muslim extremists. The 1000s of militant Muslims along with their multi-million dollar bank accounts, political/military influence `make up` for that.

    One more quick point.
    I don`t belong to any organizations that Christians/Jews/Blacks target.
    However, I was born an American, and I live in NYC. Do you see why I would fear Muslim extremists now?
  185. Profile photo of premierwondr
    premierwondr Male 18-29
    975 posts
    September 15, 2010 at 2:29 pm
    "I`m just not mentally retarded enough to think that a tiny percentage of extremists represent the entire membership of a massive religion."

    We`re not saying that. What we are saying is that Muslim extremists pose a threat far greater than extremist groups from any other nationality, religion, etc.
    I`ll say it again.There doesn`t need to be millions of Muslim extremists. The 1000s of militant Muslims along with their multi-million dollar bank accounts, political/military influence `make up` for that.

    One more quick point.
    I don`t belong to any organizations that Christians/Jews/Blacks target.
    However, I was born an American, and I live in NYC. Do you see why I would fear Muslim extremists now?
  186. Profile photo of darkhawk
    darkhawk Male 70 & Over
    260 posts
    September 15, 2010 at 2:53 pm
    Easy answer, i don`t like religion. I don`t care what your color is, but i don`t like religious ppl. So the chance of ppl being part of a religion are bigger then the diagram above, so i have a reason to not like a hell of a lot of ppl :p Luckily if your white over here your 80% likely to be a atheist ^^
  187. Profile photo of 5Cats
    5Cats Male 50-59
    33126 posts
    September 15, 2010 at 4:21 pm
    Yes. The groups that organised and carried out these attacks are Christian, including their leaders.
    Are you TRYING to be funny almightybob1?

    I guess I`ll just assume 9/11 arbitrarily becomes acceptable after 800 years, like the Crusades.
    A) yes, after 750 years all is forgiven. Please hold your breath until then.
    B) Rhetorical question has too much rhetoric... (hey, you started with the funny stuff! lolz!)
  188. Profile photo of thelonious
    thelonious Male 40-49
    3286 posts
    September 15, 2010 at 5:20 pm
    The Qur`an very specifically states that killing someone who has not attacked Islam is really really bad mmmmkay
  189. Profile photo of CrakrJak
    CrakrJak Male 40-49
    17514 posts
    September 15, 2010 at 8:59 pm
    thelonious: Unfortunately `attacking islam` is very broad terminology. Mohamed Cartoons, Burning a quran, Supporting Israel, Criticizing Sharia Law, etc.. All can and have been considered `attacking islam`.
  190. Profile photo of jtrebowski
    jtrebowski Male 40-49
    3362 posts
    September 15, 2010 at 9:48 pm
    [email protected]! When have you conservatives been concerned about "broad terminology"?
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    DeutschDude9 Male 18-29
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    September 15, 2010 at 10:35 pm
    religion sucks.
  192. Profile photo of 5Cats
    5Cats Male 50-59
    33126 posts
    September 15, 2010 at 10:58 pm
    @jtrebrowski um, since day one? Where have you been? Aside from tollin?
  193. Profile photo of CrakrJak
    CrakrJak Male 40-49
    17514 posts
    September 15, 2010 at 11:26 pm
    jtrebowski: Since we got treated to the phrase "It depends on what the meaning of the word `is` is" - Bill Clinton
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    davymid Male 30-39
    12140 posts
    September 16, 2010 at 3:58 am
    Religion: Trolling the human race since the Bronze Age.
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    steve41high Male 18-29
    1153 posts
    September 16, 2010 at 3:58 am
    i just hate everything that isn`t me
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    Elriuhilu Male 18-29
    275 posts
    September 16, 2010 at 4:18 am
    @steve41high
    anything that isn`t you or dubstep, right? :)
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    madduck Female 50-59
    7611 posts
    September 16, 2010 at 7:09 am
    Ha! I love the idea that if you dislike someones house it is ok to take it away from them. Who knew wallpaper choices could have such consequences.
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    Crucible Male 18-29
    1815 posts
    September 16, 2010 at 8:38 am
    I don`t know why people even bother making these. Smart, reasonable people like ourselves already knew this, and dumb, ignorant people won`t care.
  199. Profile photo of CrakrJak
    CrakrJak Male 40-49
    17514 posts
    September 16, 2010 at 1:10 pm
    davymid: Psychologists agree that human beings seem to be born with the ability to `believe in God`, It`s hardwired into our brains.

    Now do you see how ridiculous it is for atheists to belittle religion ? It`s bigotry really.
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    8BitHero Male 18-29
    5414 posts
    September 17, 2010 at 7:44 am
    Haha religion
  201. Profile photo of Elriuhilu
    Elriuhilu Male 18-29
    275 posts
    September 17, 2010 at 10:54 am
    humans are also hardwired to believe in gnomes that steal one of a pair of socks from your washing machine when you`re not paying attention but that doesn`t make them real.
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    tispayne Male 18-29
    105 posts
    September 17, 2010 at 1:50 pm
    funny, I don`t see one for Atheists?
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    Pingas Male 13-17
    312 posts
    September 17, 2010 at 4:13 pm
    Religion sucks
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    ingrateful Male 13-17
    415 posts
    September 18, 2010 at 6:24 pm
    I dont see one for asians and hispanics/latinos
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    dadefischer Male 18-29
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    September 19, 2010 at 6:47 am
    Communism = Terrorism killed it for me. Way to end an article combating stereotypes with a stereotype.
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    fishgul69 Female 18-29
    914 posts
    September 23, 2010 at 5:31 pm
    was about to say what you typed, dadefischer! but besides that, it is something for alot of people to think about.

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