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176 Responses to Evangelist Cindy Jacobs Denounces Lesbianism

  1. Profile photo of fancylad
    fancylad Male 30-39
    18502 posts
    September 8, 2010 at 9:28 am
    Link: Evangelist Cindy Jacobs Denounces Lesbianism - Oh no she didn`t!
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    jfunkhsr Male 18-29
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    September 8, 2010 at 10:11 am
    I feel bad for Jesus.
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    GothPirate Female 18-29
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    September 8, 2010 at 10:12 am
    I wish there was video so I could see her face becoming increasingly red towards the end

    and then suddenly back to normal when she asks them if they want to repend
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    Winter_ICE_0 Male 13-17
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    September 8, 2010 at 10:12 am
    Sorry Cindy Jacobs... this "holiness movement" of which you speak will never ever happen.
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    GothPirate Female 18-29
    121 posts
    September 8, 2010 at 10:12 am
    *repent, everybody shut up I got this
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    LordJim Male 60-69
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    September 8, 2010 at 10:13 am
    `I want the women of god to kneel down right now...`

    Ok, I`m with you on that.

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    Cajun247 Male 18-29
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    September 8, 2010 at 10:13 am
    meh
    not surprising
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    regediT Male 18-29
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    September 8, 2010 at 10:15 am
    Her mouth wasn`t even f.ucking moving, what a tit
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    Monosandalos Male 30-39
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    September 8, 2010 at 10:15 am
    Translation: I`m a dominatrix looking for female clients as well...
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    AtlasOtus Male 18-29
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    September 8, 2010 at 10:19 am
    goddamn it`s people like her that need to be killed
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    Weakmonkey Male 18-29
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    September 8, 2010 at 10:23 am
    AtlasOtus :goddamn it`s people like her that need to be killed


    I totally agree. If they dont believe in what I believe in, lets get rid of em!
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    5Cats Male 50-59
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    September 8, 2010 at 10:26 am
    Girl on girl kissing is a plague?
    I gotta catch me that fever!
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    deschide Male 18-29
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    September 8, 2010 at 10:28 am
    Hitler probably had a speech very similar to that
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    CrakrJak Male 40-49
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    September 8, 2010 at 10:29 am
    So we are back to Gays vs. Religion again... Must be a slow day at IAB.
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    PopsySoku Female 18-29
    388 posts
    September 8, 2010 at 10:35 am
    O_O

    HOLY poo.
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    sidewyz8 Female 18-29
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    September 8, 2010 at 10:38 am
    Um, ok lady, whatever you say.

    She sounded kind of angry at the end. It`s really not that big of a deal.
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    beccab86 Female 18-29
    347 posts
    September 8, 2010 at 10:52 am
    I bet she`d be singing a different tune if someone gave her a good cooch lickin`.
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    boudicca013 Female 18-29
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    September 8, 2010 at 10:53 am
    but... but i dont want to repent for my lesbianism... and my life actually got better after i came out...
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    fiizok Male 40-49
    591 posts
    September 8, 2010 at 10:53 am
    What a stupid, shrill and angry woman.
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    gorgack2000 Male 13-17
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    September 8, 2010 at 10:54 am
    Rather obvious closet lesbian there.
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    pmarren Male 40-49
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    September 8, 2010 at 10:54 am
    I guess it`s okay to be a whore for Jesus, but don`t you girls dare kiss each other or you`ll go straight to hell!

    Also, I think she doth protest too much...
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    lilsheep Male 18-29
    225 posts
    September 8, 2010 at 10:57 am
    she gay or somthn?
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    zhdapleeblue Male 18-29
    65 posts
    September 8, 2010 at 10:59 am
    yawn
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    Oystah Female 40-49
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    September 8, 2010 at 11:00 am
    Bad Britany Spears example - her life got messed up by getting pregnant with and married to a guy, not kissing a chick.

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    Eyesadrift Male 30-39
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    September 8, 2010 at 11:16 am
    Ow my freaking ears.
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    Geogypsy Female 18-29
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    September 8, 2010 at 11:17 am
    Scream more lady...scream until your vocal chords are busted for good so we don`t have to listen to whatever the hell YOUR view of an `act against nature` is.

    *long stream of censors*
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    ulookstupid Female 18-29
    81 posts
    September 8, 2010 at 11:21 am
    WOW "Jesus loves everyone, but we hate everyone that isn`t like us" what a fantastic slogan for a church that is slowly sinking.

    P.S. I`d tap that
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    Pooptart19 Male 18-29
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    September 8, 2010 at 11:29 am
    What the hell are you doing, Cindy Jacobs, talkin` `bout lesbians at a church service? Are you TRYING to give the men in the congregation boners?
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    Robert_D Male 18-29
    589 posts
    September 8, 2010 at 11:31 am
    "And I want the women of God to kneel down right now..."

    I was very afraid of what was going to come next.

    Also:
    Being loud does not mean you`re right.
    Being loud does not mean more people will listen to you.
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    crashgirl88 Female 18-29
    200 posts
    September 8, 2010 at 11:33 am
    That lady needs real problems. She obviously has too much time on her hands to spend on made up ones.
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    Elriuhilu Male 18-29
    275 posts
    September 8, 2010 at 11:43 am
    holy hell, that woman has problems
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    Elriuhilu Male 18-29
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    September 8, 2010 at 11:45 am
    lol, I only saw the post below my previous one after I had clicked "post". I`m sorry if I came off as contradictory.
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    romanwho Male 13-17
    119 posts
    September 8, 2010 at 11:57 am
    She should repent for how shrill her voice gets. Jesus H Christ, I`m bleeding at the ears from it.
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    Buiadh Male 30-39
    6739 posts
    September 8, 2010 at 12:00 pm
    What a load of bullpoo
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    Boomsie Female 18-29
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    September 8, 2010 at 12:24 pm
    This makes me a little angry. Surely if god created us all.... he created lesbians himself? x
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    jv71 Male 13-17
    23 posts
    September 8, 2010 at 12:28 pm
    um homosexuality or gay sex if you insist is VERY natural and and we even have some animals who are f-in hermaphrodites so... who exactly do they marry?
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    jv71 Male 13-17
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    September 8, 2010 at 12:30 pm
    @robert d

    you sound more important if you are either a.loud or b.chanting
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    belunan Male 30-39
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    September 8, 2010 at 12:38 pm
    I wonder how long it`ll be until she comes out of the closet. That seems to be way of it with a lot of these evangelists that rail against homosexuality.
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    splurbyburbl Male 30-39
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    September 8, 2010 at 12:38 pm
    Someone shoot this bitch
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    ElMustache Male 18-29
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    September 8, 2010 at 12:48 pm
    Give it time. She`ll get caught in some gay sex scandal. Just like all the other "christian" soap boxers. Im gonna start taking bets.
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    Brassbull Male 30-39
    1614 posts
    September 8, 2010 at 12:54 pm
    never accept advice about what is "natural" from someone who is afraid to open a biology text book.
  42. Profile photo of ManicRapture
    ManicRapture Female 13-17
    682 posts
    September 8, 2010 at 12:58 pm
    @Boomsie....same exact thoughts. I mean, God MUST like what he sees or we would all be dead by now, lol
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    AcemanJones Male 30-39
    81 posts
    September 8, 2010 at 1:09 pm
    Did she just have an orgasm?
  44. Profile photo of KannaLilly
    KannaLilly Female 13-17
    635 posts
    September 8, 2010 at 1:18 pm
    Usually I laugh at people who argue against gays like this, and maybe it`s the fact that she`s specifically talking about lesbians, but listening to this made me kinda want to cry. This is the first time a preacher has made me feel attacked and devalued like this. Ultimately, though, all I need is the strength to say `Keep your Jesus Christ, I`ll keep the woman I love`.
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    rammo34 Male 18-29
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    September 8, 2010 at 1:20 pm
    "Girl on girl kissing is a plague in our society"! Woo! Catch the fever girls! :D
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    DrProfessor Male 18-29
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    September 8, 2010 at 1:24 pm
    "we decree in the name of jesus that men and women are going to be their natural use in the name of jesus."

    +1.
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    Musuko42 Male 18-29
    2850 posts
    September 8, 2010 at 1:32 pm
    @CrakrJak

    "So we are back to Gays vs. Religion again... Must be a slow day at IAB."

    Your normal complaint is IAB constantly attacking religion. Religion is the one attacking here. What is your beef?
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    Sakamura Male 30-39
    237 posts
    September 8, 2010 at 1:37 pm
    Couldn`t stop laughing.... yet again people putting their long noses into other people`s private lives.

    I find it funny NRA is able to say to anyone and everyone they should protect their own houses against intruders and what you do in your home is your business ... But these people are putting their noses in other people`s businesses like it was theirs. *sigh* always fun.

    Note: it would be if these people weren`t so dead serious... It`s alas not funny and these people should be stopped at all costs.
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    Zaokii Female 18-29
    78 posts
    September 8, 2010 at 1:46 pm
    I know not all Christians are like this but this sort of just makes me want to torch a bunch of churches. Religion is the poison that is killing society.
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    madest Male 40-49
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    September 8, 2010 at 1:53 pm
    Yeah you don`t rage against homosexuals unless you`re battling demons. This chick is craving tuna and she hates herself for it.
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    tripleberryc Female 13-17
    6 posts
    September 8, 2010 at 2:00 pm
    I`m not even a lesbian and this makes me really want to kiss a girl.
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    davisboy Male 30-39
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    September 8, 2010 at 2:14 pm
    Here is my question to all those condemning this woman`s words. When does sexual conduct become perverted and immoral? At what point does a person become "sick and perverted" as opposed to making a lifestyle choice.

    If you are an atheist then you have an excuse, but if you have any belief in the bible or a traditional concept of right and wrong then you have admit there is some truth to what she is saying.
  53. Profile photo of tuxman4
    tuxman4 Male 13-17
    368 posts
    September 8, 2010 at 2:20 pm
    "I`m not even a lesbian and this makes me really want to kiss a girl."

    Makes me want to kiss a girl too. Of course I`m like that all the time.
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    Sarph Male 18-29
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    September 8, 2010 at 2:26 pm
    Angry woman is angry (in the name of Jesus).
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    SPARTAKITTY Female 18-29
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    September 8, 2010 at 2:26 pm
    @davisboy
    ...what? So, are you for or against what she is saying? Because you seem to be contradicting yourself.
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    Porkchop275 Male 18-29
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    September 8, 2010 at 2:30 pm
    Yeah girls, get on your knees
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    Jui37 Female 18-29
    463 posts
    September 8, 2010 at 2:32 pm
    *sigh* I love porn. I`ve had sex with girls and guys. And while I choose men now, I`ve dated girls too. Will I go to hell for it? Maybe. But I say don`t knock it til you try it.
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    BrimstoneOne Male 30-39
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    September 8, 2010 at 2:40 pm
    reformist evangelical nut bar
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    gothmo Female 18-29
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    September 8, 2010 at 2:42 pm
    I can`t stand people like her. Yeah, ok, you don`t believe in it, yeah, ok, you don`t like it. BUT SHUT THE HELL UP!
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    coffeekoneko Female 18-29
    1008 posts
    September 8, 2010 at 2:43 pm
    Lesbianism is a sin...

    A sexy, sexy sin.
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    KeePay Male 18-29
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    September 8, 2010 at 2:43 pm
    I believe people who denounce homosexuality loudly are those who are deepest in the closet.

    Ergo, this woman is the queen of lesbians.
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    almightybob1 Male 18-29
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    September 8, 2010 at 2:53 pm
    Here is my question to all those condemning this woman`s words. When does sexual conduct become perverted and immoral?

    Perverted - a matter of personal taste and opinion. Personally, when it starts to involve other bodily products (apart from the ones you`d expect) in any way, I`m out.
    Immoral - when the other parties involved have not given, or are incapable of giving, informed consent.
  63. Profile photo of GeniusSolar
    GeniusSolar Male 13-17
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    September 8, 2010 at 3:06 pm
    And that`s why I`m not a Christian.

    She and the girl who threw the puppies are going to have their own personal level of hell...

    ...along with the Superbuds...
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    Fatninja01 Male 30-39
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    September 8, 2010 at 3:06 pm
    stupid people!
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    ScottSerious Male 18-29
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    September 8, 2010 at 3:09 pm
    please do us a favor, and just go with god early and leave the rest of the world alone. kthxbai.
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    Nocciolina Female 18-29
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    September 8, 2010 at 3:15 pm
    Repent? Woman are you crazy?! My life got a whole lot better when I accepted I liked chicks, and now I`m happily living with one. And I`ve accepted aswell that I`ll be happy in hell, not unhappy my entire life

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    wellsy57 Male 50-59
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    September 8, 2010 at 3:15 pm
    When I get reincarnated, I`m definitely coming back as a lesbian. Those girls get their cake AND eat it too!
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    Vi Female 18-29
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    September 8, 2010 at 3:22 pm
    LGBTs aren`t on a mission to indoctrinate the world and molest children--the Church has been doing those jobs well enough.
    F*cking idiotic hypocrites should have their right to free speech revoked.
  69. Profile photo of Cajun247
    Cajun247 Male 18-29
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    September 8, 2010 at 3:32 pm
    @GeniusSolar

    At least most Quakers aren`t into this sort of thing.
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    KPres Male 30-39
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    September 8, 2010 at 3:51 pm
    "F*cking idiotic hypocrites should have their right to free speech revoked."

    Why, cause YOU don`t like what she thinks? Who the hell are you? She has the right to her opinion, even if you don`t like it. Free country is more important than what you like or don`t like, Nazi b*tch.
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    davisboy Male 30-39
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    September 8, 2010 at 4:08 pm
    @spartakitty, I was trying to make my point with a question. Here is an example to drive home what I am trying to say.

    I don`t think that many of us would disagree that the act of 2girls/1cup is a sin. If you don`t, then you must not differentiate right from wrong. So, if that is your stance, that there is no right or wrong in nature, then I can`t argue with you.
    But if you believe in the concept of sin, then where is the line drawn separating normal sexual behavior to sinful sexual deviate? And that, is clearly laid out in Bible.
    I don`t hate homosexuals, I don`t wish them harm, but I do not agree with their lifestyle any more than than that of a stripper, or prostitute. People go to hell because they refuse to ask for forgiveness from God for that sin, not because they are homosexual.
  72. Profile photo of luda16
    luda16 Male 18-29
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    September 8, 2010 at 4:08 pm
    ladies, repent, but please, for man`s sake, don`t stop kissing eathother. Unless you`re ugly.
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    Gerry1of1 Male 50-59
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    September 8, 2010 at 4:17 pm
    Yeah sin!
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    han5nah Female 13-17
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    September 8, 2010 at 4:34 pm
    bitch. i wanna grab her tits and say OM NOM NOM. this makes me angry. GR.
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    CodeJockey Male 40-49
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    September 8, 2010 at 4:36 pm
    " People go to hell because they refuse to ask for forgiveness from God for that sin, not because they are homosexual."
    So, you`ve seen this transport of the damned or are you assuming that you can speak on behalf of God?
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    MrTwidget Male 30-39
    795 posts
    September 8, 2010 at 4:40 pm
    If lesbianism is wrong, I don`t want to be right. LET US GATHER SINNERS! SCISSOR SEX FTW!! BOOYAH BEEOCH!
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    lastrogue Male 18-29
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    September 8, 2010 at 4:54 pm
    HAHA!

    "One of you young women wanna repent for that UHH Lesbianism?"
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    danasmana Female 13-17
    66 posts
    September 8, 2010 at 5:26 pm
    You can declare a holy war on whatever the drat you want
    but you`ll never stop chicks from making out.
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    luda16 Male 18-29
    206 posts
    September 8, 2010 at 5:47 pm
    you know what CodeJockey? i like you. i like your mannerisms.
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    Heureux Male 40-49
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    September 8, 2010 at 6:32 pm
    davisboy

    "But if you believe in the concept of sin, then where is the line drawn separating normal sexual behavior to sinful sexual deviate? And that, is clearly laid out in Bible.
    I don`t hate homosexuals,"

    You are not telling the truth. Referring to the loving intimate relationships of millions of human beings as deviant is an expression of hatred.

    "I don`t wish them harm,"

    You harmed us by calling us deviants.

    "but I do not agree with their lifestyle"

    This is pride on your part, the same sin that lead Lucifer to reject God, the same sin the serpent enticed Eve with.

    Homosexuality, and lovemaking between same-sex couples is not a sin. But your assertion that it is, which is just a backwards way of saying that your sexual orientation is better, is the sin of pride.

    Please repent.
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    aseirinn Male 70 & Over
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    September 8, 2010 at 6:35 pm
    i like hetro sex cos im hetro, homos like homo sex cos theyre homo...laserbeams like laserbeam sex cos theyre laserbeams...evangelicals like bondage,homo, hetro,laserbeam,sado-masachism the lot
  82. Profile photo of Heureux
    Heureux Male 40-49
    1054 posts
    September 8, 2010 at 6:36 pm
    davisboy

    "When does sexual conduct become perverted and immoral? At what point does a person become "sick and perverted" as opposed to making a lifestyle choice."

    The same as when any conduct, including yours, harms self or others. Homosexuality does not intrinsically meet that standard, but the prejudice against homosexuals does.

    You are engaged in sin, davisboy, against millions of human beings. Please, repent.

    Davisboy, your arguments are a case of excuse-making, a way to blame GLBTQ people for your sin of pride.
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    Arandanos Female 18-29
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    September 8, 2010 at 6:39 pm
    I swear to god, Jesus did not care what you bunch of scaredy white people do with your genitals, nor did he ever stop to think about it, I`m sure.
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    snidwid Male 13-17
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    September 8, 2010 at 6:54 pm
    The only reason I turned this on was because when I rolled over the thing i said girl on girl kissing...I was sadly disappointed.I had to take my hand out of my pants too.:(
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    MRmatthew Male 13-17
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    September 8, 2010 at 7:10 pm
    i`m angry now.
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    MrsPoods Female 18-29
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    September 8, 2010 at 7:35 pm
    Too bad she hates lesbians cuz she is rockin that bulldyke haircut
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    noxert323 Male 18-29
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    September 8, 2010 at 8:07 pm
    if I scream it
    IT WILL HAPPEN!
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    dooflotchie Female 30-39
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    September 8, 2010 at 8:27 pm
    Yeah, she doesn`t sound crazy or anything. :-/
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    phoneybone Male 18-29
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    September 8, 2010 at 8:44 pm

    subliminal messages anyone?
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    dax2009 Female 50-59
    322 posts
    September 8, 2010 at 9:11 pm
    She`s ranting about (also) about dressing asexually, and woman should start dressing like women, men like men, ect. but she is dressed THAT way? ROFLMAO. As for those of you ragging on davisboy, he believes the bible (as do I) and the bible clearly states homosexuality (along with many other things) as a sin. You can take it up with God. I`m outta here.
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    davisboy Male 30-39
    587 posts
    September 8, 2010 at 9:13 pm
    back@ Heureux

    We are all quick to point out the sin of killing puppies, I fail to see how it is wrong to point out the sin of homosexuality. Paul pointed out the many sins of members of the early church within the new testament.

    Here are the bilblical principles to back up my arguement. The act of loving another individual is not the sin, it is the physical actions with someone of the same sex that is.
    I do not hate gay people and I am not homophobic. There is nothing that I can do or that the government for that matter can do to prevent homosexuality. I`m merely stating my stance of disagreement with the popular vote.
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    Genocyde Male 30-39
    712 posts
    September 8, 2010 at 9:28 pm
    "We Are Gonna Put A Stop To This In Our Generation!"

    I love this statement. Said with such authority.

    ...however...Cindy, you`re wrong.

    This was the chance to display at least a little humility and you blew it like a gay man at a sausagefest.

    You can legislate it, and all you`ll do is make an unenforceable law. You can scream at people and they`ll do it right in front o` ya. You can say that you`re a panda but the point is simply this...it doesn`t make it so.

    I might disagree with homosexuality itself but even I`m not so arrogant to think that there`s anything at all I can do to stop it.

    Cindy, wake up and smell the clues. Pray all you want but don`t for one minute think you`re going to stop the carpetmunching. Your types couldn`t even stop the sale of Ozzy records or Dungeons and Dragons games.
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    Ogen Male 18-29
    441 posts
    September 8, 2010 at 9:46 pm
    Odds are ten to one that this woman is a secret lesbian.
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    davymid Male 30-39
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    September 8, 2010 at 10:56 pm
    I do not hate gay people and I am not homophobic.
    We know Davis, we know. You just believe that they`re all going to burn in Hell for all eternity, to have their living skin ripped from their flesh by demons, to have their bones charred to a black carbon, to be viciously abused in acid and lava and fire and torment - not just for a day, but for a f*cking eternity!

    But yeah, we hear ya bro. You`re not homophobic. You don`t hate gays. It`s your merciful and all-loving God that hates gays.

    I`m just thankful every day that God didn`t say anything about liking the colour green being an abomination. I happen to like the colour green.

    But then again, my greenophilia is not the crime, it`s ACTING UPON my likeness of the colour green that`s the crime. Like if I were to go paint my room green, just cause I like the colour green. THAT would be abhorrent.

    Love the person who likes the colour green, Hate the sin of painting your room green.
  95. Profile photo of CrakrJak
    CrakrJak Male 40-49
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    September 8, 2010 at 11:28 pm
    davymid: God hates the sin, Not the sinner. Saying `God hates gays` is WBC crap, Please don`t associate their pablum with all of Christianity.
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    entwife Female 18-29
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    September 8, 2010 at 11:43 pm
    what a truly idiotic woman
  97. Profile photo of MrTwidget
    MrTwidget Male 30-39
    795 posts
    September 9, 2010 at 12:43 am
    Divide and conquer. Thanks for the ongoing segregation, world.
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    jamie76 Male 30-39
    2346 posts
    September 9, 2010 at 1:23 am
    with all the REAL tragedies occurring in this world, with all the suffering, people dying needlessly, starvation, war, water shortages, disease, etc. you would think that this right wing christian fantics would focus their energy on something much more meaningful then atacking a group of people that ARE NOT HURTING ANYONE and that are just trying to live out their lives they way they wish.

    But no, instead these "christians" focus exteme hatred and unjust treatment on gays. I AM A CHRISTIAN and I DO NOT believe it is my right to JUDGE OTHERS.

    “Judge NOT, that you be not judged” in Matt 7:1

    For the Christian, anger and wrath are inconsistent with our new nature, which is the nature of Christ Himself (2 Corinthians 5:17)
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    gingerlad95 Male 13-17
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    September 9, 2010 at 2:08 am
    for some reason i wish to see this live
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    Fairienyte Female 18-29
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    September 9, 2010 at 2:09 am
    Oh.... she can KISS my @$$
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    ChainsawNbud Male 50-59
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    September 9, 2010 at 4:47 am
    but...but...from her picture, she DRESSES like a lesbian.
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    CrakrJak Male 40-49
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    September 9, 2010 at 5:19 am
    jamie76: I heard the same argument from prostitutes saying, `We aren`t hurting anyone`. Yes, They are, They are hurting themselves.

    It`s a sin, Sin always hurts. I don`t care how many are sinning it doesn`t make it less of a sin, Sin is not determined by popularity.

    BTW, Heureux, Lucifer committed prideful sin believing he was better than God. Many homosexuals are living in sin continuously and they even name their parades `Gay Pride`.

    It`s not pride to try to warn a neighbor their house is burning down, It`s love. If Christians truly hated gays we`d never try to warn them, Now that would be true hate.
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    moefreak Female 18-29
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    September 9, 2010 at 6:01 am
    Why the hell does she have to scream? I couldn`t stand listening to it.

    And CrakrJak, maybe it`s my slightly hungover and thus vulnerable state, but I`m actually pitying you right now.
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    Caretta Male 18-29
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    September 9, 2010 at 6:13 am
    But I guess, CrakrJak, that you wouldn`t consider it an expression of my love for you as a person if I were to `warn` you that you`re wasting the only existence you`re ever likely to experience by being disappointed in people for not living as you`d like them to, via your interpretation of whichever religion you espouse.

    Choosing not to `warn` gay people may seem to you to be hate, but to me it seems more like the most basic respect.
    Is it too much to assume that other people have made informed choices about their own lives? Or does a sense of moral and religious superiority preclude that possibility?
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    Wizard77 Male 40-49
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    September 9, 2010 at 6:21 am
    Agree or disagree with CJ, but the man has solid convictions and beliefs. It would be far easier for him to just no bother to post on such stuff. But he has the stones to step up knowing he will be attacked en` masse by all the "tolerant" lefties.

    Good on you bro.
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    Painter13 Male 40-49
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    September 9, 2010 at 6:33 am
    If Jesus ascended into heaven 2000 plus years ago, then we should be able to see him at the edge of the Milky Way cluster though the Hubble Telescope.
    For a bunch of people who can tell a photoshopped pic, but still cling to a fake book is beyond me.
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    CrakrJak Male 40-49
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    September 9, 2010 at 6:56 am
    Caretta: I don`t consider myself above anyone, We are all equal according to the constitution (written by religious men I might add).

    I don`t go out confronting gays, Nor do I get up and preach at all. I`ve simply came to the point that I don`t personally care, But I`ll back those that do care and try to reach out.

    I don`t waste my time, I don`t confront or preach to people in real life (unless you consider my comments here to be preaching). The main reason I comment here is to clarify what Christianity is and rebut the intolerance for Christians that I see here.

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    moefreak Female 18-29
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    September 9, 2010 at 7:03 am
    CrakrJak, is disagreeing with you intolerance? I thought the whole point of tolerance was that you are willing to put up with something you disagree with.

    I`m perfectly tolerant of you. I think you are entitled to your beliefs. And if you, like you say, do not go around "confronting" homosexuals about what "sinners" they are, then great.

    And how can you say that "god hates the sin, not the sinner"? Why is it then that the sinner gets to burn in hell? God wants to punish those who sin by subjecting them to eternal agony. That sounds like hate to me.
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    8BitHero Male 18-29
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    September 9, 2010 at 7:03 am
    I honestly do feel bad for gay Americans. They get such a hassle just for doing nothing. She says about how Madonna and Britney kissed and the after math, but they`re both not gay though. The after math is unrelated to the kiss(Unless it`s that Illuminati thing I saw), but for for being gay it`s not. It`s like saying all gays will have this problem. Which never does, it`s like saying someone who lived to 100 years but smoked is a good example of how smoking is good. Just because it happened once doesn`t mean it will always be like that when the all of the times it doesn`t turn out like that.
    Lesbians love it, guys love it, so what right?
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    CrakrJak Male 40-49
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    September 9, 2010 at 7:21 am
    moefreak: God doesn`t want to condemn any of his children (us) to hell, That`s why he sent his son Jesus down here to pay for our sins.

    Think of it this way, A mom knows her kid gets dirty playing in the mud, Because she`s had to clean up after him leaving muddy footprints, handprints and stains all over her house a few times.

    Does she keep letting him do that ? No, She stands by the door refuses to let him enter and makes him clean up before she lets him back in the house. Does she hate her kid because she wants to see him clean ? No, She loves her child but can`t stand the mud.

    I hope this analogy helps.

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    Caretta Male 18-29
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    September 9, 2010 at 7:25 am
    CrakrJak, perhaps better to assume that all people are equal by virtue of being people, since the majority of humans aren`t bound by the U.S Constitution, myself included. I`ll take your comment regarding its authors with a pinch of salt, however, considering the contention surrounding that subject.

    Maybe you should also be wary of protecting Christianity, since the group consists of so many proponents that no one quality defines them all, not even tolerance.

    I`m likewise wary of defending Atheists as a group, as having any opinion without appropriate consideration to back it up can be most foolish, and I have known a few fools.
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    almightybob1 Male 18-29
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    September 9, 2010 at 7:27 am
    Agree or disagree with CJ, but the man has solid convictions and beliefs.
    So does a suicide bomber.

    Think of it this way
    Okay, so according to your analogy, God (the mom) should be stopping the gay sinner (mucky child) from committing the sin of gay sex (trailing dirt all over the house).
    And yet gay people are still able to engage in homosexual acts.

    So actually, the analogy would be more like the mom saying "Don`t do that!", but then not intervening when the child comes into the house dirty anyway, instead thinking "Oh never mind, I`ll just punish him later".


    Is that right?
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    Lokiii Male 18-29
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    September 9, 2010 at 7:29 am
    Why do people take the hateful parts of the bible as canon? Why do they pick and chose about what ridiculous claims they take as valid? You can hate on gay people but you still eat shrimp, wear blended fabrics and use crop rotation. You don`t put your wife in a tent when she`s on her period. You don`t stone a child to death when he talks back to you.
    The bible is NOT the word of god. Christianity is NOT the absolute truth. It`s a book written to help explain man`s insignificance in the universe without it seeming so crushing. So much of the Bible is UTTERLY RIDICULOUS. Sin is not defined by what some two-millennium old sheep herders wrote, it`s defined by the measure of the merit of an action. And telling someone they will go to hell holds no merit, when the entire CONCEPT of hell is a blatant rip off of paganism. Christianity as a religion is a shambling, Frankenstein-esque abomination of religions stitched together with the most outlandish and ramshackle bindings.
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    moefreak Female 18-29
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    September 9, 2010 at 7:49 am
    CrakrJak, what? What does Jesus have to do with anything here? Bottom line is, if you practice homosexual sex consistently throughout your life and never feel an ounce of regret about it, you go to hell. Right? So why would God allow us to do such things, if he didn`t want us to? He forbids it because it is "unnatural" (which is amusing since he is the one decides what is natural in the first place), and yet allows us to do it all we want. Then, eternal damnation. So he gives us the option to sin (having first arbitrarily chosen what constitutes as sin) and then punishes us for following our natural inclinations. Why? For what purpose?

    To test us? Too make us stronger? While we burn in hell?
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    Wizard77 Male 40-49
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    September 9, 2010 at 7:58 am
    Every so often I meet someone that, for the life of them; just cant understand how anybody could possibly believe in a God. But this sort of atheist is not the norm. The norm is proud of their "enlightened" thinking and "superior" understanding over those blind religious fools. Almost always there is woven into their words, anger and resentment for those that do believe in God.

    It brings to mind an old saying "the type of atheist that doesn`t so much not believe in God, as personally dislike him"

    The real problem for them is that to believe in God, one suddenly must change their behavior. Not because of "personal evolution" or whatever hedonistic BS is easy to follow, but because they accept that they are not the end-all-be-all of life. Not because all humans are equal, but because all humans are less than God.

    I don`t believe in Bigfoot. But I am not angry that groups of others enjoy believing in Bigfoot
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    Gerry1of1 Male 50-59
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    September 9, 2010 at 8:01 am
    Oh, c`mon Cindy! Just `cause the lesbians rejected you doesn`t mean they`re all bad.
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    Wizard77 Male 40-49
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    September 9, 2010 at 8:05 am
    Wiz said- "Agree or disagree with CJ, but the man has solid convictions and beliefs."

    almightybob1 said- "So does a suicide bomber."

    ZIIIING!

    A cheap one-liner in response to a legitimate post. *yawn*
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    CrakrJak Male 40-49
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    September 9, 2010 at 8:07 am
    almightybob1: No you got that wrong. The mothers home is `heaven`, The mud is the sin, and it doesn`t matter what type of sin it is. The cleaning is what asking for forgiveness is.

    The mother never scolds the child, doesn`t say you can`t ever get dirty, or prevents him from getting dirty, That`s called freewill. She just insists on keeping a clean house and that includes not letting her child inside until he`s clean. Jesus paid for an infinite supply of soap and water, So to speak, To make it easier to get clean.

    You expect God to prevent you from sinning ? Then how would you ever have freewill ? God will never allow sin into heaven no matter what kind of sin it is.

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    almightybob1 Male 18-29
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    September 9, 2010 at 8:08 am
    I don`t believe in Bigfoot. But I am not angry that groups of others enjoy believing in Bigfoot
    I like that you used a common argument against theism here. (Why don`t you believe in God? Why don`t you believe in leprechauns? Because there`s no evidence and it`s never been proven that they exist. Exactly.)

    I also have no problem with people believing in Bigfoot, because they don`t claim that Bigfoot gives them divine universal morals which everyone including me should accept without question, or that I will be eternally punished for not believing in Bigfoot.
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    CrakrJak Male 40-49
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    September 9, 2010 at 8:11 am
    Geesh, I try to make it so simple a child could understand it and it`s the `adults` that get it wrong and twist it around.
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    moefreak Female 18-29
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    September 9, 2010 at 8:13 am
    I don`t believe that a mother who would eternally refuse to accept her child into the house because he is dirty is a very good or loving mother. Not only will she refuse to let him into the house, but she is paying the neighbourhood bully to beat him for his dirtiness.
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    almightybob1 Male 18-29
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    September 9, 2010 at 8:13 am
    A cheap one-liner in response to a legitimate post. *yawn*
    A cheap dismissal in lieu of thoughtful consideration of a legitimate counter-point. *yawn*

    Both have strong convictions, both have beliefs. Hell, the suicide bomber is prepared to DIE for his. Yet you consider one admirable and the other despicable because you happen to share the convictions of the former.
    If, as you suggest, we should applaud and respect CJ for his strong convictions and beliefs even if we disagree, then we should logically applaud and respect a suicide bomber even more even if we disagree, because he has made the ultimate sacrifice for his convictions and beliefs.
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    almightybob1 Male 18-29
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    September 9, 2010 at 8:17 am
    Ah right CJ, I misunderstood the analogy.

    But isn`t the shower inside the house? :P

    So at what point does the mother decide to say "OK son, now you are never allowed back into the house, no matter how much you want to clean yourself?"
    Because that`s what happens when we die, right? It`s too late.
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    CrakrJak Male 40-49
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    September 9, 2010 at 8:17 am
    moefreak: I don`t think a child that refuses to listen to his mother and get clean is a very good child.

    I don`t get your `bully` analogy either.
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    Wizard77 Male 40-49
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    September 9, 2010 at 8:24 am
    Well almightybob1, the great part of the whole two sided argument is that no one can prove a negative either. So believers have exactly as much proof that God does exist as you have that he doesn`t.

    And no, believing in Bigfoot doesn`t have a moralistic connotation. But here is where the catch is. You are angry that religious believers think they are right. So you are pissed-off about an IDEA. You are upset that they THINK you will be punished according to their belief system in an AFTERLIFE you do not think exists as they see it.

    Basically, you don`t like others thinking that way.

    Thought Police Alert!
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    duffytoler Male 40-49
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    September 9, 2010 at 8:32 am
    >>I wonder how long it`ll be until she comes out of the closet. That seems to be way of it with a lot of these evangelists that rail against homosexuality.

    Heh. That does seem to happen a little too often.
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    CrakrJak Male 40-49
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    September 9, 2010 at 8:38 am
    almightybob1: Still comparing me to a suicide bomber eh ? I don`t use violence to `settle things` it`s a sin to do so.

    Do you really believe I`m so unhinged and reckless that I`d actually do that ?

    Yes, I am committed to my faith. If some jackbooted thug put a gun to my head and said renounce God or else, I`d say `Send Me Home`, What he did after that is up to him.

    A suicide bomber is a coward, He`d rather end his life and take as many people along with him than live. Living life can be far scarier than dieing, Suicide is the easy way out, Especially if you have idiots promising you 72 virgins if you do it. Suicide bombers are neither committed or brave, They are scared and feel life is hopeless.
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    Wizard77 Male 40-49
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    September 9, 2010 at 8:44 am
    I sure appreciate you telling me what I believe. Keeps me from having to explain anything. If you have to kill concerning a religious concept, then yes, you are worthy of distain. It was evil and wrong when Christians did with the inquisition and numerous wars etc. And its evil and wrong now when the muslims or anyone else does it.

    "A cheap dismissal in lieu of thoughtful consideration of a legitimate counter-point."

    The first one was just what I said. A zinger and a bit tedious. It got the response it deserved. Once you were called out, you made a logical comparison and voiced an argument. Don`t blame me that you had a troll moment. And I think you are reaching to compare CJ with a suicide bomber. Just sort of desperate really.
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    Geogypsy Female 18-29
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    September 9, 2010 at 8:48 am
    CrakrJak I`ve enjoyed reading your thoughts, and I mean that, really.
    Even though our beliefs differ drastically you`ve written very concisely and I can understand (in my own limited way) where your coming from. So thank you.

    Just wanted to agree that yes, sin hurts...but love? Nothing hurts better than that
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    Wizard77 Male 40-49
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    September 9, 2010 at 8:50 am
    "Just wanted to agree that yes, sin hurts...but love? Nothing hurts better than that"

    Is that a Mae West quote? If not, she would be proud. :D
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    almightybob1 Male 18-29
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    September 9, 2010 at 9:22 am
    So believers have exactly as much proof that God does exist as you have that he doesn`t.
    Which is exactly the point of that argument - the burden of proof lies with the person making the claim. Otherwise there is no reason for discounting Bigfoot or unicorns or Zeus but accepting God.

    You are angry that religious believers think they are right. No, I`m angry when they:
    a) try to influence my or others` lives because of their convictions - these days mainly through legislation against gay rights or abortion or whatever, but sometimes through violence (see: Muslim fundamentalism, Christian abortion clinic bombings/assassinations)
    b) Tell me I deserve eternal punishment for what I think. You`re welcome to think whatever you like, but telling someone they deserve torture for who they are is insulting.
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    almightybob1 Male 18-29
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    September 9, 2010 at 9:31 am
    Still comparing me to a suicide bomber eh ?
    Have I done that before? Apologies.
    I don`t use violence to `settle things` it`s a sin to do so.
    Not always.
    Didn`t God instruct you to destroy all unbelievers "with the edge of the sword" in Deut 13:15?
    Didn`t David slaughter thousands in 1 Chron 20:3?
    Didn`t Jesus himself fashion a whip to drive out the money lenders from the Temple? I doubt he just gently nudged them out the door.

    But that`s beside the point.

    continued...
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    almightybob1 Male 18-29
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    September 9, 2010 at 9:33 am
    ...

    Do you really believe I`m so unhinged and reckless that I`d actually do that ?
    Of course not. You are nothing like a suicide bomber.
    I picked that example because it was the first that popped into my head, and although it`s hyperbolic, it actually fits the argument I wanted to make.

    Wizard77 was saying that he respects and applauds you for having and voicing strong convictions, with the implication that we should be doing the same even if we do not agree with you.

    I merely provided a counter-example which I knew he would definitely not agree with, even though his argument (strong convictions and beliefs are laudable even if they are disagreeable) applies equally to a suicide bomber as it does to you.
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    almightybob1 Male 18-29
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    September 9, 2010 at 9:37 am
    The first one was just what I said. A zinger and a bit tedious. It got the response it deserved.
    Pardon me for expecting you to understand what was a very unsubtle analogy. I would have thought the point I was making was very obvious (both have strong beliefs and convictions, but you say one is worthy of praise and the other disdain). I will be sure to explain everything very clearly from now on.
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    moefreak Female 18-29
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    September 9, 2010 at 9:38 am
    CrakrJack: So you think the appropriate punishment for a child disobeying his mother is never being let into the house again? And the bully is the devil, essentially. The mother knowingly punishes the child by having him tormented because the child disobeyed her. It`s a pretty accurate analogy, I feel. And I don`t get where this whole "Loving god" thing comes from.

    He loves us all of "his children" and yet wants to see us suffer because we didn`t do like we were told. If it so pains him to do it (to send us to hell), then why does he? He is all powerful, is he not? He made up the rules, he could break them.
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    Wizard77 Male 40-49
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    September 9, 2010 at 10:05 am
    "...try to influence my or others lives because of their convictions...mainly through legislation against gay rights or abortion..."

    So its ok to try and legislate unless its something you don`t agree with? You must accept that people on both sides of an issue will want their way. The hard truth is that no one wins them all.

    "Muslim fundamentalism, Christian abortion clinic bombings/assassinations"

    But those were were just "nut jobs" and "extremists" when we were all clashing about the muslim bombings and ground zero stuff. It wasn`t fair to use their religion as a point of order. But now its relevant?

    "telling someone they deserve torture for who they are is insulting."

    So is telling someone that their belief in God is foolish and unenlightened. And again, its punishment that you do not even believe exists right?
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    Wizard77 Male 40-49
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    September 9, 2010 at 10:07 am
    "but you say one is worthy of praise and the other disdain"

    No. One is worthy of RESPECT. And comparing him to a suicide bomber is a cheap shot no matter how you try to dress it up.
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    Wizard77 Male 40-49
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    September 9, 2010 at 10:19 am
    moefreak Its very simple. Ever been to someone`s home and they want you to take off your shoes before you come in? Its their home and they have a right to require this if they choose. You have two choices. Take off your shoes or don`t come in. They aren`t making you do anything.

    "But I want to come in and still keep my shoes on!"

    Too bad. Their house, their rules.

    If that seems like THEY are the one being unreasonable, then you have a very entitled point of view when it comes to someone else`s house.
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    almightybob1 Male 18-29
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    September 9, 2010 at 10:35 am
    So its ok to try and legislate unless its something you don`t agree with? You must accept that people on both sides of an issue will want their way. The hard truth is that no one wins them all.
    Legislating against something I don`t agree with is fine, if you can argue a sensible case why it should/shouldn`t be allowed. Legislating against something when your argument is "because my religion says so" is not OK. Not least because a follower of another religion can claim equal weight for whatever their opinion is. That`s not democracy, it`s theocracy.

    But those were were just "nut jobs" and "extremists" when we were all clashing about the muslim bombings and ground zero stuff. It wasn`t fair to use their religion as a point of order. But now its relevant?
    Yes, very few Muslims or Christians resort to violence, but it happens and can affect my life, which is why I mentioned it here. But let`s not get sidetracked.
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    almightybob1 Male 18-29
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    September 9, 2010 at 10:39 am
    So is telling someone that their belief in God is foolish and unenlightened. And again, its punishment that you do not even believe exists right?

    The issue is not them telling me about Hell. The offensive part is that they say I deserve it. Nobody deserves eternal torture. Nobody. Not even Hitler. Infinite punishment, for what must logically be finite crime, is not justice.
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    Wizard77 Male 40-49
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    September 9, 2010 at 10:54 am
    "Legislating against something when your argument is "because my religion says so" is not OK."

    Says who?

    "a follower of another religion can claim equal weight. That`s not democracy, it`s theocracy."

    Hence the vote. Its also why a democratic republic is better than a true democracy.

    I have said before that I have yet to hear a compelling argument against gay marriage. I know the quotes from the Bible but that is Old Testament not New Testament. Jesus never said being gay barred salvation. As a matter of fact he didn`t mention it at all. I take allot of heat from other Christians for this view but its hard for them to argue.

    But the real points here are:

    1) Its Gods house and he will run it as he sees fit.

    2) You don`t believe in any of it anyway so why would you care if someone thinks you are going to hell for any reason for any amount of time?
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    almightybob1 Male 18-29
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    September 9, 2010 at 10:56 am
    No. One is worthy of RESPECT. And comparing him to a suicide bomber is a cheap shot no matter how you try to dress it up.
    The shot was aimed at your logic, not CJ`s person. If you want to call it cheap because it invokes a little hyperbole to make the point more obvious (although apparently still not obvious enough) then go ahead.

    But fine. Pick something else.
    A member of the WBC. Do you respect them? They have very strong convictions and beliefs too, and they voice them despite knowing how much scorn they`ll receive - not just from "the "tolerant" lefties" but from those on the right too.
    Surely they then merit even more respect?

    Or a member of the Animal Liberation Front. They believe so strongly that animals are equal to people that they destroy testing labs that use animals. Do you respect that?
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    Wizard77 Male 40-49
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    September 9, 2010 at 10:59 am
    The offensive part is that they say I deserve it. Nobody deserves eternal torture. Nobody. Not even Hitler. Infinite punishment, for what must logically be finite crime, is not justice.

    You would need to talk to God about Hitler. But I am sure that no one has a right to never be offended.
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    moefreak Female 18-29
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    September 9, 2010 at 11:02 am
    Wizard you`re missing a pretty key point here. It isn`t just that they`re not letting me into their house, they are sending me to a place where I suffer eternally. It`s not just that you don`t "get to come to heaven". You go to hell. I think that`s pretty damn unreasonable.
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    almightybob1 Male 18-29
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    September 9, 2010 at 11:03 am
    Says who?
    My very next sentence explained why. If you accept this as a sound reason, someone with a different religion then has an equal claim that we should legislate according to THEIR beliefs. You can`t run a civilisation like that.

    1) Its Gods house and he will run it as he sees fit.
    Okay...

    2) You don`t believe in any of it anyway so why would you care if someone thinks you are going to hell for any reason for any amount of time?
    As I said below, I don`t care if they think it, I care if they tell me I deserve it. Nobody deserves eternal torture, and anyone who says they do has no claim to morality.
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    Wizard77 Male 40-49
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    September 9, 2010 at 11:08 am
    "...the WBC. Do you respect them? Or a member of the Animal Liberation Front."

    Again you choose violent and destructive examples. So no I dont respect them.

    You can dance all day to defend this but it was a low blow.
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    almightybob1 Male 18-29
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    September 9, 2010 at 11:11 am
    Wizard you`re missing a pretty key point here. It isn`t just that they`re not letting me into their house, they are sending me to a place where I suffer eternally. It`s not just that you don`t "get to come to heaven". You go to hell. I think that`s pretty damn unreasonable.
    Exactly. It`d be more like saying during a nuclear holocaust "Sorry, you can`t come into my bunker with that muck on you. Get lost!"
    Except you`re saying it to someone you supposedly love, like your sister or your husband or your son.
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    Wizard77 Male 40-49
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    September 9, 2010 at 11:16 am
    "My very next sentence explained why. If you accept this as a sound reason, someone with a different religion then has an equal claim that we should legislate according to THEIR beliefs. You can`t run a civilisation like that."

    And my next sentence was "hence the vote" so there you go.

    "I don`t care if they think it, I care if they tell me I deserve it."

    Here you depart from logic. If I said you deserve to be eaten by Bigfoot would you be so offended? Or would you think (that is just dumb) and move on. I know I would. But see, I don`t believe in Bigfoot. Now if you were offended, so what? You do not have a right to never be offended. No one does. We are all stuck here together and each of us can pretty much be sure that we will be offended from time to time.
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    almightybob1 Male 18-29
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    September 9, 2010 at 11:17 am
    Again you choose violent and destructive examples. So no I dont respect them.

    Whoa whoa whoa. When have the WBC ever been violent or destructive? They do exactly what CJ is doing - step up and speak their mind in public, knowing that people will disagree. That`s EXACTLY what you said he deserved respect for.

    As for ALF, surely taking action to support your convictions is even more respectable than merely talking about it but never following through?

    You can dance all day to defend this but it was a low blow.
    OK, clearly you are unfamiliar with the concept of a counter-example or hyperbole, so I shall refrain from using them again. Disregard any suicide bomber examples.
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    Wizard77 Male 40-49
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    September 9, 2010 at 11:23 am
    "Wizard you`re missing a pretty key point here. It isn`t just that they`re not letting me into their house, they are sending me to a place where I suffer eternally. It`s not just that you don`t "get to come to heaven". You go to hell. I think that`s pretty damn unreasonable."

    I`m not missing anything. Again we come back to thought crime. Because both of you claim to be atheists. What do you care if someone`s delusional belief system sends you to a magical land of fire that you are oh so sure doesn`t exist.

    You are pissed that people THINK this and don`t want them to ever SAY it. Why? Because you don`t like it and no other reason. By your logic, opponents can say YOU should not be allowed to talk about gay love being real. You cant prove it, or that love itself even exists. And...they find it offensive.

    Free speech cuts both ways.
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    Wizard77 Male 40-49
    582 posts
    September 9, 2010 at 11:32 am
    Whoa whoa whoa. When have the WBC ever been violent or destructive?

    Phelps Sr.`s eldest grandson, Benjamin Phelps, was convicted of assault and disorderly conduct after spitting into the face of a passerby during a picket.

    Margie Phelps and her son Jacob were arrested for trespassing, disorderly conduct and failure to obey after disregarding a police officer`s order during an attempted protest

    Shirley Phelps-Roper was arrested in Nebraska and charged with contributing to the delinquency of a minor

    That is from a very quick search.

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    Wizard77 Male 40-49
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    September 9, 2010 at 11:33 am
    As for ALF, surely taking action to support your convictions is even more respectable than merely talking about it but never following through?

    You speak around corners sir. What CJ does here is present logical arguments and a pretty civilized manner. Trying to shoe-horn him into people that are constantly causing harm is pretty lame.

    You can beat this "well, you just don`t understand" drum all you please. I understand just fine. You went too far with it and now you are stuck. Rather than own up you are trying to make it look like I am unintelligent. Another lame ploy.
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    almightybob1 Male 18-29
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    September 9, 2010 at 11:33 am
    Nah, I`m not angry, more fascinated. It`s like a car crash you can`t look away from. I really struggle to understand how you can square away the "my house, my rules, if you don`t like it GTFO" homeowner in this analogy with a loving God. I treat the people I love better than that.
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    moefreak Female 18-29
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    September 9, 2010 at 11:34 am
    Wizard77, what? When did I say I`m pissed that people think that or say that? You are allowed to think and say whatever you want. What I`m arguing is that I don`t believe that God "loves" all of his children and yet wants them to burn in hell for going against rules that he himself made up for some arbitrary reason. Either he hates homosexuals and thus wants them to go to hell, or he loves them but is somehow powerless to stop them having to go to hell. Either God is not benevolent or he is not omnipotent. Oldest argument in the book, and one that I have yet to see refuted.
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    almightybob1 Male 18-29
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    September 9, 2010 at 11:38 am
    You can beat this "well, you just don`t understand" drum all you please. I understand just fine. You went too far with it and now you are stuck. Rather than own up you are trying to make it look like I am unintelligent. Another lame ploy.

    You clearly DON`T understand.
    Hyperbole (which I happily admit I used) is when you exaggerate. From Wikipedia:
    Hyperbole is a rhetorical device in which statements are exaggerated. It may be used to evoke strong feelings or to create a strong impression, but is not meant to be taken literally.
    That`s what it means. I didn`t accidentally go too far - I chose a deliberately provocative example in the hopes you would think about why I chose it (that being because there are obvious parallels between the qualities you respect in CJ and the qualities it takes to be a suicide bomber).
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    Wizard77 Male 40-49
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    September 9, 2010 at 11:44 am
    If you say I cant smoke in your home, can I argue that I am your brother and we love eachother? If you really love me you will let me smoke. But see, if I love you, I will respect your house.

    Twisting what I said into "GTFO" just makes you look silly.
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    almightybob1 Male 18-29
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    September 9, 2010 at 11:47 am
    If it was a choice between my brother smoking in my house and being tortured forever, I`d hand him the lighter personally.
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    Wizard77 Male 40-49
    582 posts
    September 9, 2010 at 11:53 am
    "...that being because there are obvious parallels between the qualities you respect in CJ and the qualities it takes to be a suicide bomber..."

    No. No there isn`t. CJ is pretty polite and logical. He is direct and honorable. You bail water on this sinking ship (going so far as to post the definition because I just don`t get it) because what you said was crumby, and you are too proud to tell the guy that not only was it an unfair comparison and a bit mean spirited.
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    Wizard77 Male 40-49
    582 posts
    September 9, 2010 at 11:57 am
    "If it was a choice between my brother smoking in my house and being tortured forever, I`d hand him the lighter personally."

    And the rub comes in that according to you, the house, smoking and even you don`t exist. So why all the worry about it?

    Why not let us brainwashed chumps keep on sleeping? You and the overwhelming numbers that believe as you do can just make the world what it should be through sheer numbers.
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    Wizard77 Male 40-49
    582 posts
    September 9, 2010 at 12:00 pm
    I have to go but ill argue with you later.
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    almightybob1 Male 18-29
    4290 posts
    September 9, 2010 at 12:06 pm
    No. No there isn`t. CJ is pretty polite and logical. He is direct and honorable.
    Those are not the qualities you chose to highlight. The ones you focused on were, and I quote you:

    Agree or disagree with CJ, but the man has solid convictions and beliefs. It would be far easier for him to just no bother to post on such stuff. But he has the stones to step up knowing he will be attacked en` masse by all the "tolerant" lefties.

    All you talk about are his solid convictions and beliefs (if you read my other posts again you`ll notice I make repeated references to these two qualities in my suicide bomber analogies). Those two are traits that the WBC, ALF, CJ and suicide bombers all share - solid conviction and belief that they are right.

    If you had said "Agree or disagree, with CJ, but the man is polite and logical, direct and honourable" I would have agreed with you (well, maybe not the logical one). But you didn
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    almightybob1 Male 18-29
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    September 9, 2010 at 12:06 pm
    you are too proud to tell the guy that not only was it an unfair comparison and a bit mean spirited.
    If CJ was offended by my statement, I apologise to him unreservedly. But I suspect he wasn`t really, because he understood the comparison I was drawing, and that the criticism was aimed at your thinking, not his character.
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    Wizard77 Male 40-49
    582 posts
    September 9, 2010 at 12:39 pm
    So you aimed criticism at my thinking because I have respect for his conviction? Wow dude. Lame.
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    almightybob1 Male 18-29
    4290 posts
    September 9, 2010 at 1:12 pm
    So you aimed criticism at my thinking because I have respect for his conviction? Wow dude. Lame.
    Because you say that strong conviction and belief are worthy of respect in and of themselves, regardless of what those beliefs might be (that`s the "agree or disagree" part), yes.

    Believing something is only respect-worthy if you can demonstrate that you have considered your belief carefully, with all the counter-points and from all the angles. If someone just believes something without ever thinking critically about it, I have no respect for that belief.
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    RecycleElf Male 18-29
    3622 posts
    September 9, 2010 at 1:23 pm
    i... i wish i could be there when she heldt that speech. i would break her jaw and explain to all the confused people listining to that bullcrap, that what they are doing and the feelings they have is completely natural and there`s nothing wrong with what they are doing or how they feel. Arrrgh that woman makes me mad.

    when i listen to ppl preaching, it`s like everything is moving towards "the rapture" or what ever you call it. but it wont happend. the closest thing to a rapture humanity will ever possibly experience is nuclear war or astroids on colition course to earth. I laugh at these people. laugh with a worried frown because they contribute to drating the world up

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    Wizard77 Male 40-49
    582 posts
    September 9, 2010 at 4:28 pm
    I said CJs conviction. Not just "hey all, anyone with strong beliefs is worthy of respect."
    I have explained why that respect is valid. I didnt frame it in the exact terms you wanted but who cares what you want? It was still sort of snotty to say that about a guy like CJ. Your one liner wasnt thought provoking it was just sort of crumby and mean.

    But you have worn me out with endless whining and subject changing tactics. Shot down on every point you made. Your right to never be offended, Gods right to run heaven, what group is violent (since you brought them up I would think you would have considered your belief carefully, with all the counter-points and from all the angles.) And still you scramble for any small bit of ground to stand on.

    Make the last post and feel somehow you have won the day. I wont be back this deep into the threads to read it anyway.
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    Abandonnez Male 18-29
    229 posts
    September 9, 2010 at 8:04 pm
    This women in off her rocker, I find her opinion there for moot.
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    marissameows Female 18-29
    171 posts
    September 9, 2010 at 8:34 pm
    jeez lady calm down...


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    sbeelz Male 30-39
    2868 posts
    September 10, 2010 at 5:38 am
    They make cars that won`t work when drunk people try to drive them, so why can`t they make microphones that won`t work for people who are batsh*t insane?
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    Mr_Pedo_Bear Male 70 & Over
    997 posts
    September 10, 2010 at 9:08 am
    Even the Nazi`s were relatively ok with Lesbians.... Gay men no, women yes (they could still be used to breed)
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    Spider_sol Male 18-29
    1452 posts
    September 10, 2010 at 9:29 am
    @1:12 she wants god to kneel down?
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    TokioKoos Female 18-29
    412 posts
    September 10, 2010 at 12:35 pm
    I don`t have a problem with pornography... >_>
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    skirvin Male 18-29
    5 posts
    September 10, 2010 at 9:37 pm
    someone cant get laid...
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    spyrocheeks Female 13-17
    112 posts
    September 11, 2010 at 3:28 pm
    I seriously dont care.
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    BoredFrank Male 40-49
    2211 posts
    September 13, 2010 at 8:23 am
    Why are some people so concerned with the choices other people make anyway?
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    fishgul69 Female 18-29
    914 posts
    September 25, 2010 at 8:17 pm
    I don`t have problems with porn, I get my poo free. but incidentally, christianity condemns same sex unions, but none of them openly condemn rape and abuse within the marriage. go figir.

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