East Chicago Schools Do Away With Failing Grades

Submitted by: Turnshroud 6 years ago
http://www.nwitimes.com/news/local/lake/east-chicago/article_3c4f2af6-3615-5a84-ab4c-bcd1deeb9c93.html

Have fun in college, slackers.
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Male 359
awwwww......maybe some ducky and bunny wallpaper to boot....
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Female 582
Please.

They`re not giving out passing grades for the students. They`re doing to make their own failing asses look better.
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Male 5,413
Just don`t fail then.
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Male 294
Our has be doing this F No! stuff for the past while, stands for Failure is not an option. Where we are allowed to retake any test we want as many times as we like, and if you fail it the first time it is mandatory to take it until you pass. Homework and class work counts 0% towards your final grade, all it does is add 5 points to your test if you get 90% homework done 4 points at 80 and so on. Our school is retarded
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Male 473
By the way I, I`m fine with this school creating an environment at which their students feel they can just get by in life through minimal work and everything will work out fine. It`s just more people I will destroy later in life.
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Male 473
how can C be average if there isn`t anyone below it.
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Male 28
So not only are they giving the students with the "I`m not gonna do any work" attitude a passing grade, but they`re gonna hand out free laptops?! I went to the wrong high school...
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Male 774
Interesting idea... I`ll let the results of this declare if it`s a good idea... though seeing as how it`s from Colorado...
Eh, they have a better shot at pulling it off than Florida.

Personally I`d like to see them make classrooms smaller, perhaps 10 to a room max, and see how that goes. But overpopulation probably kills that idea unless we divide up the school day and have half the school go in the morning and half in the evening.

Oh, and Yofuzzy`s idea isn`t so far fetched in terms of affordability. There are countries who have no public high schools and at an affordable rate to parents. That and there would be less taxes to pay the government since there would be no education tax.

Also, good point, madduck. You tend to hear of stricter policies but never any details about what happens when those policies are breached.
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Male 975
I`m gonna guess that this school is in a pooty neighborhood plagued by poverty, drugs, etc.
Employing this `No One Fails` in a well-to-do suburban community would be a fail but education in bad communities is much different.
To be honest, encouraging kids to stay in school in any way possible is great. Keep them off the street, away from drugs (selling/consuming), and at least try to prepare them for life after school.
I`m all for this plan. Education in poor neighborhoods needs to evolve and considering how bad the passing rates are, the administrators might as well `play around` until they find a balance.
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Male 2,229
I applaud the move away from the confinement of the "traditional" model of education. But failure IS an option, and teach the consequences of decisions made.
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Female 4,225
Zen, didn`t Indiana lay off like 3000, or more teachers? One of the reasons I needto get out ASAP

Yofuzzy- interesting solution. It would probably work. The only problem is affordability. So how can we find a middle ground?
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Male 417
They`ve already started this here in Memphis. Currently in city schools, they can not fail anyone in grades K-3, with plans to extend that to 6th grade by 2014. I have no doubt they will extend that all the way to 12th grade.

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Female 7,833
So, assume a child does receive low grades- what is the procedure? If a child persists in not working hard enough at anything- even classes for idiots- how do they address this? Are they expelled, kept in after school, sent to work in a field?
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Male 749
I seriously hate the way that kids aren`t allowed to fail, or to be dim. Plenty of kids are now being diagnosed with things like dyslexia and I think that they probably are just slow learners. If their parents read with them then I reckon that many would be able to read just fine; I also think that many just don`t try hard enough. In the real world though, if you don`t try or don`t have the ability to do your job, then you will not have a good career. Kids need to be able to fail and need to work hard, they shouldn`t just be able to blame something like dyslexia or ADHD if they`re struggling in school (in the cases where the kids do actually have dyslexia or something then they should learn things that they can do well, and try their best at the things with which they struggle - if they fail, then let them fail).
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Male 1,106
I thought the recession had done away with this "everyone is successful" crap. I can`t wait until the first day one of these kids gets fired and is like, "what other options do I have to not get fired?" Um, maybe DO THE WORK YOU`RE SUPPOSED TO DO!
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Male 6,694
Chicago. Always something going on.
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Male 127
I don`t quite understand the article either. If I went to that school and simply didn`t do any homework(fact), and did poorly on my tests(fiction) it would seem to me I would be failing. It would then be my responsibility to earn a good grade and I`ll have a variety of options including a credit recovery program or instruction through the internet. If I simply choose not to participate I`d fail. How are they addressing that and still "doing away with failing grades"?
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Male 4,594
"We have raised the expectations for students..."

O rly?
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Female 229
Just a note, East Chicago is in Indiana. However, Chicago Public Schools is one of the worst school systems around. It`s unfortunate that teachers are judged on the poor performance of the students. Unfortunately, students get pushed through grade school. The system doesn`t care if they succeed, they don`t have room for them, so push! You have these middle school students who barely write better than 2nd graders, seriously. I can blame the schools for not having enough funding and resources and stupid policies, but parents are the ultimate blame for their childrens` lack of success and motivation...
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Male 2,553
"Harding is also proud of the relationship the district has developed with Apple Computer Inc. [...] By the end of January, every student in grades seven to 12 will have a computer."

Whoa! o.o` Gief me!
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Male 2,586
I think `extra credit` is a load of rubbish... if you do the work, you should pass, if you don`t, you should fail. None of this doing something else stuff which probably won`t be on the exam anyway and still being able to bump your grade up
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Male 527
The first paragraph is confusing. The first sentence says that students won`t earn anything less than a C. Then the third sentence of the same paragraph states that it is possible to earn less than a C. So, let`s assume for the moment that it is possible to earn less than a C, but that it would be a failing grade. My question would be what the grade range is of a C? When I was at school, that would have been 70-79%. When my parents went to school, that would have been around 76-84% (at least, that`s what I think they said). So, is the score being lowered again in order to make their numbers look better? "Hey look, all of our students are getting C`s! Just don`t tell anyone that the lowest C grade is 50%. Shh."
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Female 322
Private education (not run by religious groups) flunked out in our city. When one did, they took EVERYTHING with them. There wasn`t a book in the library when it went back to being public. They had to BORROW books from other schools. I found this out when the company I was with wanted to donate some children`s books they had. After two years of this, I was told by one of the teachers who came for the stuff we were giving them every two weeks or so that 2/3 of the books they had in their library was donated by us. And that the kids would rush to the library on the day the new ones were put on the shelves. Most of what I learned in school I learned because I was a voracious reader. Started with comic books and went up from there....... reading saved my life. Got a good job because I tested so well on their tests. Again, mostly reading skills. My heart goes out to those who never have learned to read.
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Male 30
they aren`t saying d`s and f`s won`t exist they`re saying that the kids will not be allowed to get d`s or f`s. they will have to do the work necessary to get a c or higher.
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Female 37
The good part of this is the fact that the new program gives students a chance to earn college credits but what happens when some of the students go on to get their bachelors degree. They won`t be able to deal with getting d`s and f`s at a university and will most likely not finish. I think Chicago has good intentions with the program but it`s not a well thought out plan.
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Female 196
Elementary students are getting laptops?!?! WTF?!?! When I was in elementary school the internet had just come out!!!
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Male 199
no. BAD CHICAGO. BAD!
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Male 1,744
been hearing more and more of this kind of thing. A grade is just a way to let you know how you`re doing. So long as "how you`re doing" is still conveyed to the kid, then I see no problem. I have a hard time believing that a kid that never shows up to school will be allowed to graduate, even if he/she has "solid C`s" throughout the year. This`ll prolly just make the C the new F anyway. Hope it works out productively.
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Male 290
@Fatninja01:
Apparently not.... Otherwise it would be too easy.
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Male 158
"...too easy."
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Male 2,422
We should spend more on the self-motivated smart kids and stop wasting resources on the obvious failures who are there simply because they have nowhere else to be. They drag the whole system down with them.
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Male 25,416
Wow, education is way to easy!
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Male 309
and as you can see ive never had an good english teacher (til this year thank god), which is why my post is unorganized and unreadable.
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Male 309
yup, the school systems drated in the ass.

School needs to be privatized, because the only way the government is willing to judge students and teachers and schools is through a once a year multiple choice test.

privatize it and double teacher`s salaries instead of buying them all a new laptop (from apple? really? good, kids will learn that till they get into college/get a job and have no clue how to work a PC). ive had 5 really good teachers out of the past 56, their inspiration has had to last for a year or two until i get another one. Which is probably why im leaving america after college, i dont want to live with the idiots ive been through school with

Fun fact: there are 18 year olds at my school who can not read or write their own names.
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Male 757
looks good on paper (giving kids the extra help and what not) but you have to remember kids are non-nice individuals and will take advantage of you
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Female 94
How are they expecting any other schools or colleges to be able to take their grades seriously?
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Male 2,402
Sheesh! Hear no evil, see no evil, and speak no evil as it will all go away. Until the next generation of work force. Ugh I`m going to puke now.
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Male 602
I dropped out of school, after failing 9th grade three times. I don`t blame society but I do blame the absolute crap school system in America. It is a joke. When exchange students come over here, they lose a year because they are doing the same classes they were doing two years ago.

Yet another reason why we are no longer on top.
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Male 38
Well...That seems rather weird. I hate the other half of the post was about Early College, I`m in it currently over in North Carolina and he`s bragging about every student getting a laptop. It sounds nice, but after four years of having mine I want to break it because it blocks every site imaginable (even the ones we need as a school) and we mainly type papers on it. So...in all reality I`ve used it three times in the past two years and even looking at it right now while typing this I see I need to dust it again.
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Male 13
This is tragic. I foresee a "C" Honor Roll in this school`s future.
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Male 37,888
" society often has low aspirations for academic achievement."


What a bunch of bull poo. so "Society" is the reason they drop out of school? Don`t blame their own lazy butts, or their lack of parenting.... it`s "society" that is at fault.


what a bunch of bullpoo
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Male 3,314
"So what happens if they get below a C and don`t feel like doing the "credit recovery program" or the Internet instruction? You can`t just not fail them."

My exact thoughts. You will have students who just don`t care. They won`t try, and they won`t make the effort to take the responsibility to are saying is theirs. What happens then? You give them a C. So they graduate high school without ever learning to read. And what about the kids who do make the effort, and work the butts off, and barely manage to EARN their C. Is it fair to them that all their work gets them the same grade as the kid who never even showed up to school?
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Male 428
So what happens if they get below a C and don`t feel like doing the "credit recovery program" or the Internet instruction? You can`t just not fail them.
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Female 1,181
what`s the big deal? it`s just chicago.
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Male 602
Just another product of the "No one sucks, everyone is special, anyone can do anything" BS theory.

"Timmy, what did you get that trophy for?"

"Playing football!"

"Oh wow how many games did you win?"

"None! Everyone gets a trophy!"

Failure and embarrassment are some of the best teaching tools kids can have.
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Male 2,670
reeding iz over ratted anyhowwayz. Self esteam is more betterer 4 studenz.
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Male 7,378
Well then... Problem solved.
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Male 487
@ lockedup

Not to be a dick or anything, but if they`re in the 4th grade and don`t even know the alphabet that`s a parenting fail... My daughter knew that before even starting school.

Why doesn`t your sister teach them? why doesn`t she get them a tutor if she`s unable? why does she ask the school to FAIL her kids instead of teach them?

imo the basics (reading writing arithmetic) are the parents responsibility.
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Male 15,510
Lol @ reaching a new low
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Male 4,680
@lockedup- Are you sure your nieces don`t have dsylexia or something? Some problems are down to bad teaching but that one sounds like a medical problem.
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Male 1,920
"there will be a variety of options available to the student to earn a satisfactory grade.

He said those options can include the school`s new credit recovery program or instruction through the Internet."

---- Pedo Bear Alert
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Female 299
I wish my school district would do something, anything, to help the students. I have twin nieces in the fourth grade. They can`t read. They can`t even recite the alphabet without help. They can`t tell you the sounds the letters make. My sister has asked the school to hold them back until they are ready to move on. The school basically told her it wouldn`t make any difference. I guess reading isn`t important in school anymore?

They need to go back to, at most, second grade. My sister is trying to look for an alternative schooling that won`t pass them on until they are ready.
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Male 430
Yeah and I`d love to reconfigure my work schedule to better suit my needs.
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Female 4,225
@crakr- I heard it was about po9litical correctness, sensitivities and all that crap

But I will agree that this was most likely done by liberals

In reality, people fail. Schools are meant to show us how to succeed. But before we we4 succeed, we must fail and learn from our mistakes

Also, I read that a few southern states like Mississippi and another...took decimals and fractions out of the school curriculum.

All in all, these actions will aid in the deterioration of today’s youth
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Male 491
Nobody fails, everybody wins until their first job then reality kicks in.
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Male 770
These kids wi.l be spending alot of time unemployed in the future. Because out here in the real world, people fail. and if you cant deal with that, you dont survive.

and everyone who is out here with me knows I`m right. whether you like it or not is not the issue.
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Male 235
Well said rickbub
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Male 17,512
This is just more of that liberal `feel good` garbage.
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Female 527
i wish south florida schools did the same
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Male 293
That sucks!!!! I had to SHOW UP FOR SCHOOL, shut my f*cking mouth do my damned homework, pass the tests, and then actually earn my grade... but it was the 80`s... what did we know...
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Female 4,225
Link: East Chicago Schools Do Away With Failing Grades [Rate Link] - Have fun in college, slackers.
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