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    fancylad Male 30-39
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    September 12, 2010 at 2:06 pm
    Link: Coming Soon: American Socialized Healthcare - Thank you very much, President Obama.
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    Steve0x757 Male 18-29
    104 posts
    September 12, 2010 at 2:13 pm
    hahahahahhaa
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    blckhawk1234 Male 18-29
    518 posts
    September 12, 2010 at 2:14 pm
    Actually we have had it. Medicare, Medicaid. It has been here. get over it.
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    Mr_Pedo_Bear Male 70 & Over
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    September 12, 2010 at 2:16 pm
    Seriously? what`s the joke?
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    Siyanor Male 18-29
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    September 12, 2010 at 2:17 pm
    I see no indication that this health care is socialized. In fact, it seems to me that the doctor is wearing a nice shirt and a tie, which is indication that it probably is NOT socialized health care, because socialized health care in a capitalistic society would lead to highly impoverished doctors.
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    Inter237 Male 18-29
    2441 posts
    September 12, 2010 at 2:17 pm
    Not a fan..
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    Siyanor Male 18-29
    1185 posts
    September 12, 2010 at 2:18 pm
    blckhawk1234, Medicare and Medicaid are liberalized health care, not socialized health care.
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    Inter237 Male 18-29
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    September 12, 2010 at 2:18 pm
    People probably wouldn`t be laughing when someone in their family has died of cancer...Thanks IAB
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    dioxin Male 18-29
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    September 12, 2010 at 2:18 pm
    whats the point? without "socialized" healthcare or whatever you call it, this women wouldnt have recognized her cancer and would probably die.
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    gorgack2000 Male 13-17
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    September 12, 2010 at 2:19 pm
    I have a funny feeling that fancylad wrote that title and caption specifically to start off another flame war.
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    dioxin Male 18-29
    91 posts
    September 12, 2010 at 2:20 pm
    (sry4doublepost)
    also, i dont get the "joke"
    my grandfather died of cancer,
    a 28yr old friend of mine died of cancer
    just sad
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    CrakrJak Male 40-49
    17515 posts
    September 12, 2010 at 2:23 pm
    blckhawk1234: Actually we have had it. Medicare, Medicaid. It has been here. get over it.

    We`ve had the poor, disabled, and retired on it. Now everyone will be on it, Good luck on waiting for 2 months, For an appointment, To get that mole checked out.
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    AtlasOtus Male 18-29
    417 posts
    September 12, 2010 at 2:26 pm
    @dioxin so has my dog but i still found some humor in this
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    davymid Male 30-39
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    September 12, 2010 at 2:27 pm
    first! I always wanted to do that
    Good! Well, glad to hear you got it out of your system at last. Take a week off to go celebrate.
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    pyrrhios Male 30-39
    185 posts
    September 12, 2010 at 2:27 pm
    Nothing socialized about the health care "reform" passed by congress nor funny about the "joke".
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    _kiersten_ Female 18-29
    1684 posts
    September 12, 2010 at 2:27 pm
    The thing is...Is with things like Medicaid/Medicare is they SUCK. I would know. I have it. Do you know what it pays for? Honestly, barely anything. It ONLY covers ER visits, and even then it barely covers those costs. The only thing its ever been good for is paying medication. And even then some of them have to be approved (Ive been denied 4 times for Nexium.) It doesn`t cover privates things, nor does it cover things like denistry. They can also deny anything they want to. I have to get approved for stupid sh*t like MRI`s whenever I go. Basically. It blows. If our national healthcare is the same as Medicare/Medicaid but for everyone I don`t even see the point honestly. It`s not like it /really/ does any good. You end up paying out of your own pocket for any major expenses.
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    danthew Male 18-29
    2122 posts
    September 12, 2010 at 2:32 pm
    3 letters, N.H.S.
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    8BitHero Male 18-29
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    September 12, 2010 at 2:33 pm
    Haha funny XD
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    qwyrxian Male 30-39
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    September 12, 2010 at 2:33 pm
    Huh...I now live in Japan (with fully socialized health insurance)...I pay less per month for insurance than I did in the U.S.; pay a little more for doctor`s visits, but significantly less for major care and diagnostics; and I never ever wait for anything. I can wake up in the morning and, in almost all circumstances, be seen by a cardiologist, allergist, dermatologist, or whatever else I need in the same day. I`ve never waited more than an hour to be seen by any doctor. The doctors are polite and will answer any number of questions patients have. Plus, Japan has as much or more ultra-high tech equipment as the U.S. There are a few areas where the U.S. is better, like heart surgery and cosmetic surgery, and doctors in the U.S. get a more diverse training than in Japan, but, overall, the Japanese system is far better. In large part this is because doctors here are high income earners, but almost never extremely rich; nor do drug companies have as much power and influence.
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    Moosh Female 18-29
    196 posts
    September 12, 2010 at 2:35 pm
    Ok, ya know what? I have had a handful of family members die of cancer. My own mother has cancer (but she tell me it`s cheating when I tell other people because she has basal call sarcoma).

    And I laughed a little. I`m pretty sure my relatives who have died of cancer would have laughed as well. Everyone`s gonna get cancer from everything and then we`ll all die. Might as well seek out any humor from it we can.
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    Moosh Female 18-29
    196 posts
    September 12, 2010 at 2:41 pm
    **basal cell sarcoma. My bad.

    And while I`m at it--I`ve been on MassHealth before and massachusetts pretty much has socialized health care in that sense. It was pretty sweet. Yes, it was more paperwork and god know how many hours I was on the phone with them for, but it was mostly in the beginning. I would not have a problem going back on it if I needed to again as opposed to shelling out the dough for private insurance. My private insurance now covers a fraction of what MassHealth did.
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    RoboPatton Male 30-39
    2424 posts
    September 12, 2010 at 2:45 pm
    lol we`re all gonna die.

    might as well laugh.
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    KingDragon Female 18-29
    159 posts
    September 12, 2010 at 2:47 pm
    Kiersten, the NHS is totally free, I`ve had to have a few major operations in my time as well as regular health checks and the only part I pay for is medicine, which often is also free if you can prove you cannot afford it. I also get the benefit of free dental visits. Some dental treatment costs, but again if you can prove you can`t afford it, it`s free. The NHS, whilst it could be improved, is brilliant and the reason I`m not confined to a wheelchair right now. Don`t dis it till you`ve tried it.
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    Ace_Mazta Male 13-17
    699 posts
    September 12, 2010 at 2:47 pm
    lol too good
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    tedgp Male 30-39
    3287 posts
    September 12, 2010 at 2:53 pm
    its better than teh crap you had previously.
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    DavioMagnifi Male 13-17
    600 posts
    September 12, 2010 at 3:03 pm
    this doesn`t make any sense.
    In his new health care plan, obama isn`t the one administering care
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    osirisascend Male 40-49
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    September 12, 2010 at 3:12 pm
    Oh for cryin` out loud...

    What the HELL does this post have to do with President Obama except for the expected (and really tired) Left vs. Right commentary?
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    jendrian Male 18-29
    2516 posts
    September 12, 2010 at 3:13 pm
    haha you`re idiots for shunning socialized health care
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    piperfawn Male 30-39
    4887 posts
    September 12, 2010 at 3:16 pm
    omg why you americans are against one of the best thing you conquer since the coca cola invention? I think you are against anything can seem "social" cause of a large brain wash. NHS is a civil conquer, we still wait your stop to death sentence but i think you can do it.
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    piperfawn Male 30-39
    4887 posts
    September 12, 2010 at 3:18 pm
    oh yes an remember also Kyoto protocol......you are the only one nation in the world that don`t have signed it yet.
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    panth753 Female 18-29
    9183 posts
    September 12, 2010 at 3:20 pm
    lmfao, nice.
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    patchouly Male 40-49
    4746 posts
    September 12, 2010 at 3:24 pm
    Free health care is the best thing a country can have. Instead of bad mouthing it, Americans should be embracing it. It shows that you are a country with compassion toward your fellow man.
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    turbopuppy Male 30-39
    158 posts
    September 12, 2010 at 3:26 pm
    KingDragon:
    Totally free? Are you stupid or insane?

    When you get your MD let me know where your practice is so I can have some of your free time.
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    Fatninja01 Male 30-39
    25406 posts
    September 12, 2010 at 3:27 pm
    Oooo. that was a mouth full of rofl!
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    cjap2011 Male 18-29
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    September 12, 2010 at 3:34 pm
    As a believer in social darwinism, I`m against socialized healthcare. I am a self identifying democrat, and have many similar views with that party. However, I don`t feel as if tax dollars should go towards health care for everyone, including those single mothers with 7 children. If they can`t afford to take care of themselves and their children, they shouldn`t be reproducing. I do, however, support a reformation of the healthcare system, in which the health insurance companies are monitored and put into check.
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    danthew Male 18-29
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    September 12, 2010 at 3:34 pm
    What I really don`t get is why there is an argument at all. Your health system SUCKS America. You spend by far the most money in the world per person on healthcare and yet have poor health statistics relative to the rest of the developed world. Is there a counter argument I`m missing?

    Also, you vote in a president campaigning under the slogan "Change We Need" and get pissed when he starts to change things??
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    Eavalos Male 18-29
    286 posts
    September 12, 2010 at 3:36 pm
    What would you rather have?
    500$ to get a checkup for it to show up as cancer, or 0$ to get a checkup for it to show up as cancer?
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    Wtfidklol Male 13-17
    193 posts
    September 12, 2010 at 3:39 pm
    WAY TO GO OBAMA.
    NOW I CAN AFFORD TO KNOW I HAVE CANCER.
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    SuperSmash Male 18-29
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    September 12, 2010 at 3:46 pm
    Wow. A caption that has nothing to do with the picture being used to restart a tired debate? You`re better than that, IAB. Oh wait, no you`re not.
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    dax2009 Female 50-59
    322 posts
    September 12, 2010 at 3:46 pm
    kiersten: a friend of mine has it, and she ALSO has BC/BS. what one doesn`t pay, the other does. So she is not out of pocket, except for the cost of carrying BC/BS. I guess as a supplement it`s not bad, but I would hate to have to rely on it.
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    lllBorislll Male 18-29
    443 posts
    September 12, 2010 at 4:09 pm
    I love how some Canadians are all like blah blah blah why do you hate it so much.. I may be wrong but this is why I think Americans hate it so much... There are 33,311,400 Canadians right now with our health care... Okay so in my taxes I have to pay for about 33 million people... America on the other hand has a whopping 307,006,550, that`s about 922% of the Canadian population... Which totals in more injuries to take care of and a lot more money for Americans to be taking care of other people... Americans like it their way because they`re accustomed to it and they don`t have to pay for anyone else`s mistakes, they look out for themselves. I think that is the right way to handle a country with a population of that size... With lower density countries we can afford to worry and have a free check up, not when you have 307 million people worrying a lot.
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    connor53 Male 13-17
    207 posts
    September 12, 2010 at 4:16 pm
    @Supersmash
    I couldn`t agree more.
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    Siyanor Male 18-29
    1185 posts
    September 12, 2010 at 4:17 pm
    I love how nearly everyone thinks Canadian health care is socialized, even people in Canada.
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    piperfawn Male 30-39
    4887 posts
    September 12, 2010 at 4:18 pm
    @ lllBorislll
    NONSENSE, what you are sayng is nonsense. If america have more people this just mean that taxes are divided for a bigger number. All is proportionated. And what about China so? In any casde all civils nations have a national healtcare sistem....and you know this is the real thing that make difference betwen civil and primordial nation.
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    patchouly Male 40-49
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    September 12, 2010 at 4:22 pm
    lllBorislll, An increase in population means in increase in income generated through taxes. A percentage is a percentage, regardless of the number of people. Using the same model we use in Canada and in many other countries, the increase in population, covers the extra costs in health care.

    More people = more income = more money to treat those same people.

    Your rational of "more people are harder to take care of", doesn`t work.
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    patchouly Male 40-49
    4746 posts
    September 12, 2010 at 4:23 pm
    piperfawn beat me to it. :D
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    Siyanor Male 18-29
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    September 12, 2010 at 4:38 pm
    Also, Boris, population density is entirely irrelevant. Macau has the highest population density in the world, but its total population is 545,674, #166 out of 242.
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    edana42 Female 50-59
    2509 posts
    September 12, 2010 at 4:38 pm
    "More people = more income = more money to treat those same people.

    Your rational of "more people are harder to take care of", doesn`t work. "

    It does if you have less and less doctors that are willing to be PCPs. Between malpractice insurance, cuts in coverage from the government via medicare and welfare, doctors are opting to specialize and even they are not safe. Pennsylvania had a huge movement from the OB/GYN doctors and we have a shortage here.

    Oh and BTW 47% of Americans do not owe federal taxes, (which does not include those who refuse to) therefore your rational doesn`t work either.
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    CrakrJak Male 40-49
    17515 posts
    September 12, 2010 at 4:40 pm
    pyrrhios: A single payer system (The government being that payer) is socialized medicine, And it`s clear that`s what the legislators, That put together this 1200-1300 page monstrosity, Want to occur.
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    Siyanor Male 18-29
    1185 posts
    September 12, 2010 at 4:42 pm
    Crakr, single payer =/= socialized medicine. Socialized medicine = every member of the medical industry receives exactly the same amount of initial income.
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    edana42 Female 50-59
    2509 posts
    September 12, 2010 at 4:43 pm
    OH, looky what I found!

    Newfoundland Premier Danny Williams will undergo heart surgery later this week in the United States.

    Deputy premier Kathy Dunderdale confirmed the treatment at a news conference Tuesday, but would not reveal the location of the operation or how it would be paid for.

    “He has gone to a renowned expert in the procedure that he needs to have done,” said Ms. Dunderdale, who will become acting premier while Mr. Williams is away for three to 12 weeks.

    “In consultation with his own doctors, he’s decided to go that route.”

    Mr. Williams’ decision to leave Canada for the surgery has raised eyebrows over his apparent shunning of Canada’s health-care system.
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    lllBorislll Male 18-29
    443 posts
    September 12, 2010 at 4:43 pm
    My mistake Siyanor, I used the wrong wording...

    Most Americans are stubborn though and don`t like Change... I don`t like change but when it`s something for the better you get accustomed to it and embrace it
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    whipplefunk Male 30-39
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    September 12, 2010 at 4:51 pm
    Also coming soon: A Republican campaign of misguided information and false accusations.
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    piperfawn Male 30-39
    4887 posts
    September 12, 2010 at 4:52 pm
    rdana is obvious that changement need time to be absorbed, in the future a new class of medic will grow and this can be also a new opportunity. Now your medic crew is like a lobby that follow drugs and medicines farmers in most of cases. This changement can stop this kind of "mafia" and open a new view on medic career.
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    Altaru Male 18-29
    3483 posts
    September 12, 2010 at 5:00 pm
    Good luck on waiting for 2 months, For an appointment, To get that mole checked out.
    Do you enjoy having a mind so raped by capitalism?

    You just keep on believing theory over reality.

    That solves a lot of problems, doesn`t it?

    You remind me of those college educated morons who go into a work place where things are running smoothly, and claim that everything`s wrong.

    Except, in this case, you`re looking at a mess and saying it`s just fine in comparison to other places that are doing so much better.
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    a1butcher Male 40-49
    4812 posts
    September 12, 2010 at 5:06 pm
    I call Fake!

    He doesn`t look like Obama!
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    bigbangbilly Male 13-17
    698 posts
    September 12, 2010 at 5:10 pm
    I am a teenager and what is this I don`t eve?
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    patchouly Male 40-49
    4746 posts
    September 12, 2010 at 5:16 pm
    Actually it does work, edana42.

    Yes, you have a large population that makes less than a certain amount and therefore doesn`t pay income tax. If you check, you`ll find the same is true of us here. As a matter of a fact, the amount of people who don`t pay taxes here vs. the number who don`t pay taxes there may be out of whack, but I bet if you do a percentage vs. the over all population, you`ll find it`s about the same.

    Consequently, my math still stands.
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    patchouly Male 40-49
    4746 posts
    September 12, 2010 at 5:19 pm
    Also, I`ve never had to wait for health care. I can see a doctor, same day, if I need to. For larger things like cat scans, I`ve had to wait for a week. As for the guy who went to the US. We have the option to go to the US if we want. Often, if a procedure is new and the only doctor doing it is in another country, we will pay for them to get it done elsewhere.

    Don`t believe all the crap the right wing media tries to ram down your throats.
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    Buck176 Male 30-39
    379 posts
    September 12, 2010 at 5:22 pm
    I spent 15 years in the military dealing wit socialized healthcare. It doesn`t work. The current system forces doctors to keep up their training and provide better service, or loose patients. Military medicine is horrible for the same reason. Doctors prescribe Motrin for everything and it takes an act of congress to see a specialist. All of you that are for Obama care take a look at the military medical system for proof it will not work.
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    Buck176 Male 30-39
    379 posts
    September 12, 2010 at 5:22 pm
    Sorry, with.
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    Wildcats2008 Male 18-29
    237 posts
    September 12, 2010 at 5:22 pm
    I love how people keep saying "oh we have free health care" and the like. What I don`t think people understand is that there is no such thing as free ANYTHING. What Canada, the UK and similar countries have is basically government health care insurance. What you don`t pay in insurance premiums you pay to the government. The way I see it, instead of the insurance companies saying what you can and can`t have, the government does and everyone knows how efficient government is.

    I do like the point that was made about the population differences. With the United States being as populous as it is, there is no way to make one over arching law that affects everyone`s personal life because they don`t know what they need. The reason police departments and fire departments (somewhat) work is because they are locally run and can tailor what they need based on what their population needs.
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    pyrrhios Male 30-39
    185 posts
    September 12, 2010 at 5:23 pm
    health care reform as passed=/=single payer system=/=socialism. Not even close. You should try reading legislation some time. Single payer would be much more efficient at delivering general care to the general populace and responding to regional and national health issues anyway. Not that I`m a huge fan of the legislation as passed, it only caps administrative overhead for insurance co.s at 20%, which is a total rip-off.
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    Wildcats2008 Male 18-29
    237 posts
    September 12, 2010 at 5:23 pm
    Plus, I`ll be the first to admit, some Americans are greedy. You tell them something wont directly cost them anything then they`ll exploit it until it runs dry.
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    deadbass72 Male 18-29
    166 posts
    September 12, 2010 at 5:29 pm
    this would`ve been funny without dragging politics into it
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    piperfawn Male 30-39
    4887 posts
    September 12, 2010 at 5:30 pm
    Buck176

    I live in a country with NHS and i was in army to. I can assure you that the two structures are completly different. You can`t compare a military medicine to civilian medicine. In any case most of europeans nations have NHS and our medics are very good and also our research. They just are medics to serve at better the population like evry doctor have to do and they continue to training not for the fear of lose some patient but cause they have an important duty. Not all have to be reduced on business, but maybe for americans is difficult to understand.
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    CrakrJak Male 40-49
    17515 posts
    September 12, 2010 at 5:31 pm
    Altaru: I`m disabled, I LIVE the reality of socialized medicine and have for several years now. I know for a fact that if I had the `fat cat` HMO plans that our senators and representatives have, I could be in a doctors office tomorrow for any symptom. As it is, Being on medicare, I have to wait a month to get in to see my doctor. With everyone being dumped into the same system now, It will double and perhaps triple the problem, Except for those rich people that can still afford their `cadillac plans`.
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    _kiersten_ Female 18-29
    1684 posts
    September 12, 2010 at 5:34 pm
    @ KingDragon. I didn`t say I didn`t want it. I`m saying its almost stupid to have it if its just like medicare/medicaid over here in he US, which barely does anything. Its sh*tty. Re-read before you make assumptions.

    @Dax We also have BC/BS as well (because our Dad pays for it) and it usually covers the private doctors and odds and ends. Like you said though, just relying on Medicaire/Medicaid is a bad idea. In fact, the only reason I get my medication for my condition is because of BC -shrugs- without it I would be f*ck since M/M does nothing to help me.

    So once again. If our National Healthcare is just going to be like Medicare or Medicaid then we might as well just not waste our money.
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    Siyanor Male 18-29
    1185 posts
    September 12, 2010 at 5:36 pm
    Unfortunately you don`t live in the actual reality, Crakr...

    Perhaps Medicare gave you the blue pill. But then you`d love life, so maybe it was purple?
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    xKiesix Female 18-29
    448 posts
    September 12, 2010 at 5:41 pm
    ...I don`t....I don`t get why this has to do with socialized health care. ><
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    madest Male 40-49
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    September 12, 2010 at 5:43 pm
    So CJ, You`re on socialized healthcare you just don`t want to share? Typical republican ideology.
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    KellsBells Female 30-39
    316 posts
    September 12, 2010 at 5:46 pm
    @ CrakrJak...don`t fool yourself. When I had the "top of the line" HMO and PPO healthcare, I STILL had to wait a month to see a doctor. If I had an urgent need, I had to wait at least a few days "to see if they could fit me in". Otherwise, it was the emergency room or PatientFirst-type places. The only people getting in to see doctors right away ARE the rich who are paying out of pocket and through the nose for their private doctors.
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    pyrrhios Male 30-39
    185 posts
    September 12, 2010 at 5:50 pm
    CrakrJak, WTF you smoking? I believe your experience with medicare, but your description has no relationship with the reform that takes place a few years from now. Also, federal legislators choose and pay for their own health insurance plan. It is not provided to them by the federal government. Oh, wait. Crak.
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    TheGax Male 18-29
    815 posts
    September 12, 2010 at 6:01 pm
    LOL i dont care about the politics involved, i just laughed.
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    crudson Male 18-29
    589 posts
    September 12, 2010 at 6:09 pm
    stitches are stitches. x-rays are x-rays. antibiotics are antibiotics. it doesn`t matter how much you pay, its the same crappy, pooty healthcare no matter what.
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    thubanstar Female 50-59
    815 posts
    September 12, 2010 at 6:10 pm
    xKiesix - I know what you`re saying... I mean, huh?
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    GothicQueen Male 13-17
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    September 12, 2010 at 6:14 pm
    @xKiesix...neither do I.

    also I`m for the reform.

    Let the flame war begin.
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    moosekid Male 13-17
    349 posts
    September 12, 2010 at 6:17 pm
    Well... I`m happy with the healthcare I get here. You American`s keep fighting I`ll just watch. Though if I do get involved in the fight I won`t have to worry about any medical expenses as a result of getting my ass kicked.
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    rdco49 Female 18-29
    101 posts
    September 12, 2010 at 6:30 pm
    I`m all for a national Healthcare system here in america. Sure it would raise taxes, but when you compare the cost of raised taxes to the cost of making monthly payments to an insurance company, copays, deductibles, and out of pocket expenses for what your insurance didn`t cover... I`d much rather just pay the extra tax. If it would allow everyone fair access to medical treatment, then I`m all for it. Pl
  80. Profile photo of Altaru
    Altaru Male 18-29
    3483 posts
    September 12, 2010 at 6:46 pm
    Plus, I`ll be the first to admit, some Americans are greedy
    F*ck you.

    That`s the entire f*cking population of the earth.

    Stop trying to force all the problems of f*cking humanity on America.

    @CrakrJak

    You live the reality of a system that is, at it`s best, the BACK-UP plan. You don`t think that, were it the primary plan and method, it wouldn`t be a little better thought out and executed?

    Other countries have seen the system work just fine.

    Why couldn`t we? And using the currently existing half-assed efforts we have in place doesn`t count.

    Sure, you can claim that we have the best technology and all that, but that doesn`t help explain why our actual health is, according to the statistics, WORSE than some of the countries with this type of system.
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    littlepete50 Male 18-29
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    September 12, 2010 at 6:58 pm
    ahahaha brilliant. harsh, but brilliant.
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    Happy_Pandas Female 13-17
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    September 12, 2010 at 6:59 pm
    Really I-A-B? Really? Having something with a caption only barely related, knowing it will start up this old debate again, just for the hell of it?
    I mean this would be sort of understandable if it actually was related.. But if it isn`t, and THIS isn`t, as far as I see it, people`s opinions like that should be kept to themselves, because all it`s doing is starting an argument.
    Jeez. If you want to debate at least someone submit a link that has a legit reason to be argued over.
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    Happy_Pandas Female 13-17
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    September 12, 2010 at 7:00 pm
    And even if it weren`t for the caption.. that picture is hella depressing.
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    goaliejerry Male 30-39
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    September 12, 2010 at 7:02 pm
    lol, its funny because its cancer.
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    vorpalsword Male 18-29
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    September 12, 2010 at 7:04 pm
    I don`t think America deserves the health care reform, were lazy, fat, ignorant and we have a fetish for overspending
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    GuardinGnome Male 18-29
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    September 12, 2010 at 7:13 pm
    Yay America!
    f*ck you Obama.
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    ZNaught Male 13-17
    351 posts
    September 12, 2010 at 7:49 pm
    IAB is becoming a cess pool. Anyone know of any alternative similar sites?
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    moefreak Female 18-29
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    September 12, 2010 at 7:52 pm
    Anything to get a flame war going, eh?

    That is one hilarious doctor, though.
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    MildCorma Male 18-29
    496 posts
    September 12, 2010 at 9:05 pm
    I love how everyone in america is getting uptight about FINALLY getting a public health service. How can you not see the insurance companies making a drating ton of cash from you morons? Are you all thick? And now obama does this and everyone goes "lol its bad" its not bad its drating progress you retards, get over yourselves.
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    NotTHATbored Female 18-29
    1101 posts
    September 12, 2010 at 9:14 pm
    "I don`t think America deserves the health care reform, were lazy, fat, ignorant and we have a fetish for overspending"

    Hey now Americans may be fat and ignorant, but France is much more lazy than us! I also blame the ignorance on the fact that Americans work so many more hours than our European counter parts. They have more time to educate themselves and relax.
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    katluver Male 18-29
    321 posts
    September 12, 2010 at 9:19 pm
    The healthcare bill is spot on. People in other countries with universal health care are rpetty well off what could go wrong? Obama is trying to help us, not such as his predecesor Bush.
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    CrakrJak Male 40-49
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    September 12, 2010 at 9:21 pm
    Altaru, madest, & pyrrhios: I`ll tell you exactly why socialized medicine won`t work here.

    #1 Doctors: We do not have near as many Primary Care MDs as we need, Their schooling costs an absolute fortune (a million dollars in debt to student loans in some cases), and compared to MD specialists their pay sucks balls. It`s not the doctors fault, The system we have to train them is broken.

    #2 Hospitals: They are ran like factories, Product in, Product out ASAP. Patient care is lacking, Because they hire as few actual `Nurses` as possible (RNs & LPNs), The rest are nurses assistants (CNAs). RNs are now doing what MDs used to do, LPNs are now doing RNs work, CNAs do everything else except serve the food and janitor duties. (My mother was a RN for 30 years, So I know personally).

    #3 Insurance Companies: They literally do battle with the hospitals over the numbers. It`s like the accounting version of a boxing match. Medicare does the same, But they say take it
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    Painter13 Male 40-49
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    September 12, 2010 at 9:29 pm
    IAB .once the best site online ,a daily ritual for me, No more, IAB is now apparently seeking out the lowest common denominator for it`s audience. Insulting cancer victims just for spite? Really...all I am gonna say Fancylad is...F#ck you. Not eloquent I know, but after the last 3 months I have come to believe that it is the only language a remedial moron who would allow garbage like this to be posted just to make a political statement would understand. I am closing my account with you after 3 years and color me gone.
    Good riddance to this swill.
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    CrakrJak Male 40-49
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    September 12, 2010 at 9:31 pm
    #4 Medicare: It`s not just take it or leave it with the Hospitals bills. Most hospitals get state and or federal sponsored funding, If the hospital rejects medicare`s offer of payment they risk loosing their state and federal funding. So that loss is passed on to the Insurance companies and private payers.

    #5 Big Pharma & Big Medical Equip. Companies: These companies do a lot of research (a lot of it unnecessary) and fail most of the time trying to make a new drug or machine, But when they do find a `Winner` they price it as high as the market will bear for the entire 7 years they have the patent. All the while, They likely have a better drug or machine they haven`t released (Patented) because they haven`t exhausted their patent on the older product yet.
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    Siyanor Male 18-29
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    September 12, 2010 at 9:32 pm
    Crakr, when are you going to stop being retarded?

    You`re 40-49, yet you sound like you`re a self-absorbed tween who believes he knows everything because he went to class once.
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    AndeAnd56 Female 18-29
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    September 12, 2010 at 9:38 pm
    I accidentally stabbed my hand while cooking two weeks ago. The wound still hasn`t closed up. My mothers`s insurance requires me to pay $65 for a doctors visit and $500 for an ER visit. Neither of which I can afford since I was laid off my job a year and half ago. (and no, my mom is unable to help me).

    ...........really, I just don`t know what to say about this Socialized issue.
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    Altaru Male 18-29
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    September 12, 2010 at 9:43 pm
    @Crakr

    Every single problem you mentioned is an issue with the greed-controlled capitalistic system we have in place right now.

    "Get to the top. Doesn`t matter how many people you have to step on along the way, look out for number one. When you reach the top, MAYBE help the others out. Because hey, now that you don`t have to stomp on them to get where you`re going, they`re people too, right?"

    And you`re okay with that?

    A move to change that, and you`re against it?
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    CrakrJak Male 40-49
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    September 12, 2010 at 9:43 pm
    #6 Lawyers: They haven`t met a lawsuit they won`t take when it comes to the medical field. Lawyers are like the drain at the bottom of the medical sink, They suck so much money out of the system it`s unbelievable. This is why Tort Reform should be tackled first. Medical Lawsuits are akin to winning the lottery, Multi-million dollar awards are a regular occurrence in court. They are THE main reason why Malpractice Insurance, Drugs, Equipment, and Hospitals cost so much.
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    lordtyusa Male 30-39
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    September 12, 2010 at 9:44 pm
    Name one universal healthcare system that isn`t either completely flawed or broke and when you actually do your research you`ll see how, though flawed as it is, America`s system is hands-down superior. I`m not saying it`s perfect, but it beats the other universal system that many countries have (which are all pretty much driving themselves bankrupt).
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    Altaru Male 18-29
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    September 12, 2010 at 9:48 pm
    Name one universal healthcare system that isn`t either completely flawed or broke and when you actually do your research you`ll see how, though flawed as it is, America`s system is hands-down superior.
    And yet, according to the statistics, many other countries with universal health-care plans rank higher than us when it comes to the general health of the people...

    Our system`s SO superior, especially when medical bills are the cause of a fair number of bankruptcies in the US, and I could go on, and on, and on, but you won`t listen. No one ever listens to actual reason when it comes to the US.
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    Altaru Male 18-29
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    September 12, 2010 at 9:50 pm
    They are THE main reason why Malpractice Insurance, Drugs, Equipment, and Hospitals cost so much.
    Did I happen to mention that greed-controlled system that seems to be working so well right now?
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    SorasNobody Male 13-17
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    September 12, 2010 at 9:52 pm
    @lorttyusa

    How can you evenn say that, it is true that alot of country`s health care system is slightly flawed, but take Denmark for example, Denmark`s taxes might be higher but if anything happens to you, you can be guaranteed the best damn treatment there is. In america if you break a little finder you have to pay 5000$ to get it in a cast, i know your system is fine for the 1/10 of the population who has enough money to get hurt over and over, but think about the 9/10 of the population who if they get hurt won`t get any treatment. Denmark`s healthcare again work under the idea that know matter how much you earn you`re on the same level. BTW, your name in danish means "poo usa"
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    DeutschDude9 Male 18-29
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    September 12, 2010 at 9:53 pm
    Amazing. 4.0
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    CrakrJak Male 40-49
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    September 12, 2010 at 9:56 pm
    Siyanor: My mother was not only a Nurse, She did medical billing reviews for Insurance companies. She made more money doing that then working on a hospital floor. Her job was to spot errors, double billing, over billing, waste etc... Hospitals as a matter of routine `pad` their bills to make up for patients that can`t pay, low medicare payments, and losses from settlement/lawsuits. The settlements/lawsuits are the biggest problem and Obama`s health care did absolutely NOTHING in it`s 1200+ pages for Tort Reform.
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    CrakrJak Male 40-49
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    September 12, 2010 at 10:24 pm
    Altaru:Every single problem you mentioned is an issue with the greed-controlled capitalistic system we have in place right now.

    Our capitalistic system used to work just fine, Until the jackpot style lawsuit awards and the `defensive medicine` used to limit liability crept into the system.

    "The courts are clogged up with these cases, physicians are afraid of being hauled into court and as a result order tests they ordinarily would not order," said Dr. Cecil Wilson of American Medical Association

    "We found that roughly, between $92 to $207 billion dollars per year can be saved from reducing defensive medicine," David Kendall, a senior fellow with Third Way.
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    CrakrJak Male 40-49
    17515 posts
    September 12, 2010 at 10:30 pm
    So why, If this is such a big problem, Didn`t tort reform make it into the health care bill ?

    “The reason tort reform is not in the bill is because the people who wrote it did not want to take on the trial lawyers in addition to everybody else they were taking on. And that’s the plain and simple truth.” - Howard Dean

    The Democrats are parasitically dependent on huge donations from trial lawyers.

    The American Association for Justice (AAJ) – formerly the Association of Trial Lawyers of America – ranks sixth overall in special interest contributors. The AAJ is the trial lawyers’ Washington lobbying group, and 90 percent of its $30.7 million in contributions since 1989 went to Democrats. At the other end of this pay-to-play process in the nation’s capitol, AAJ has spent nearly $14 million lobbying Congress just since Democrats won control of both chambers of congress.
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    helix25 Male 18-29
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    September 12, 2010 at 10:50 pm
    Whom dares to say that America`s health care system is the best is simply retarded. I have lived 16 years in France and 3 years in the US. Let me tell you, if I got ran over by a car in France, I wouldn`t hesitate in between either calling the ambulance or a TAXI simply because I won`t be able to afford to the ambulance. Then, while I am being cared for in the hospital, I won`t have to wait 4 hours as I did last time in the US to verify my insurance info and still end up with having to pay 40% of my $800 x-ray. At least, in socialized countries like France or as mentioned below in Denmark, you can feel free to take care of your health without worries.
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    Siyanor Male 18-29
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    September 12, 2010 at 11:06 pm
    Crakr: You yet again prove yourself to be utterly moronic by not in any way refuting my statements.

    Citing your mother`s work experience in no way proves that your IQ is above 70. In fact, your belief that it would prove such a thing is proof that it is below 70.
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    megann_exoh Female 13-17
    688 posts
    September 12, 2010 at 11:24 pm
    Hoorah for the NHS! <3
    I quite enjoy knowing that if I get ill, i can have medicine. If I break my leg, I get an x-ray.

    It`s really rather wonderful. If I lived in the US, there is no doubt about it; We (my family) wouldn`t have healthcare insurance. We just wouldn`t be able to afford it. I`m no nansy-pansy Socialist, but I do believe we are all entitled to good, comprehensive healthcare either free of charge or at at very affordable price (eg. Germany)
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    helix25 Male 18-29
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    September 12, 2010 at 11:38 pm
    @megan_exoh, +1, same here. btw, not only are we being questioned every month about "pre-exisiting conditions" but we are charged $200 / person / month in order to not have to pay $400 for a doctor`s consultation but a mere less.

    I`m glad I am in France for a few weeks to take advantage of free doctors for a while (or just 30€...)
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    Buiadh Male 30-39
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    September 12, 2010 at 11:42 pm
    Americans need to get over the word "Socialist", it`s not a dirsty word any more people.
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    CrakrJak Male 40-49
    17515 posts
    September 12, 2010 at 11:46 pm
    Siyanor: Nice troll, Now go back under your bridge, Where you belong.

    You haven`t actually made any valid arguments, Where as I have.

    All you have are trollish comments that prove your own stupidity.
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    docwatson Male 18-29
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    September 12, 2010 at 11:53 pm
    "I`m no nansy-pansy Socialist, but I do believe we are all entitled to good, comprehensive healthcare either free of charge or at at very affordable price"

    Why?
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    helix25 Male 18-29
    165 posts
    September 12, 2010 at 11:56 pm
    "Crakr, single payer =/= socialized medicine. Socialized medicine = every member of the medical industry receives exactly the same amount of initial income."

    False. Not Every member of the medical industry receives exactly the same amount of initial income. It`s simply that social security or whatever part of the government reimburses patients who paid the full amount at their doctor`s visit, or the patients don`t pay but the doctor is paid by the SS later.

    My father is a doctor, though he definitely doesn`t receive as much money as other doctors, it all depends on your clientele.
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    Siyanor Male 18-29
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    September 12, 2010 at 11:57 pm
    Just because you don`t even know what my argument is does not make it invalid.

    Also, no matter HOW many arguments you make or HOW valid they are, citing your mother`s work experience is not a counter to mine. You specifically addressed ME in your comment, which implies that you think I even care what your mother did for a living. What your mother did for a living is irrelevant to the definition of the word "socialized."
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    helix25 Male 18-29
    165 posts
    September 12, 2010 at 11:57 pm
    "I`m no nansy-pansy Socialist, but I do believe we are all entitled to good, comprehensive healthcare either free of charge or at at very affordable price"

    Why?

    Before asking why would you mind saying why not?
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    Siyanor Male 18-29
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    September 12, 2010 at 11:57 pm
    helix, are you retarded?

    That is single payer. Not socialized.
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    Siyanor Male 18-29
    1185 posts
    September 13, 2010 at 12:08 am
    People need to get it through their thick skulls that putting something in the hands of the government does not automatically make it "socialized." True, it`s nearly impossible to achieve without complete government control, but government control alone does not make anything socialized. Equal distribution of initial income does.
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    CrakrJak Male 40-49
    17515 posts
    September 13, 2010 at 12:23 am
    Siyanor: You said Unfortunately you don`t live in the actual reality, Crakr...

    Perhaps Medicare gave you the blue pill. But then you`d love life, so maybe it was purple?

    As if I have no idea what the hell I`m talking about or have no experience or view inside the health care system. I used to help her, Read her medical books, Read through her Nursing magazines and AMA`s magazines.

    The reason ? I was genuinely interested in becoming a MD at the time. I asked her many questions about it and her co-workers/friends. When my own Dr. orders a blood test, I can actually read the results and know what it means. I`ve taken First Aid, CPR and 1st Responder courses in college. But eventually, I chose a different career path.

    I can diagnose you right now...

    ... With a bad case of foot and mouth disease.
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    Siyanor Male 18-29
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    September 13, 2010 at 12:46 am
    Aaaaand?

    That has to do with the definition of socialism how?
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    Oblivia Female 18-29
    812 posts
    September 13, 2010 at 12:51 am
    I don`t get it...
    What does this bad comic has to do with socialized healthcare?
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    CrakrJak Male 40-49
    17515 posts
    September 13, 2010 at 1:28 am
    Siyanor: I`ll say it again, With more detail this time.

    The `single payer` is the government. Government paid health care is socialized medicine. The only variable being who owns the hospitals themselves.
    The VA hospitals are completely government owned and controlled, With this `single payer` plan the hospitals are privately owned, But will be government controlled. Either way `single-payer` takes choice out of the equation, Because the government gains control.
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    Siyanor Male 18-29
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    September 13, 2010 at 1:32 am
    Crakr: I`ll say it again.

    Just because it`s government paid does not make it socialized.
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    CrakrJak Male 40-49
    17515 posts
    September 13, 2010 at 1:59 am
    Siyanor: When the government pays, They gain control. When government controls the means of production, That IS socialism.

    This is pretty simple for most people to understand, It`s political science 101.
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    aseirinn Male 70 & Over
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    September 13, 2010 at 2:12 am
    `Socialism` is an economic and political theory advocating public or common ownership and cooperative management of the means of production and allocation of resources...


    doesn`t America already have `social welfare`...so whats the problem, should a country have the moral duty to look after the less well off? All of these systems are open to abuses, as every system is...
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    davymid Male 30-39
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    September 13, 2010 at 2:28 am
    Posted it before, and dammit I`ll post it again. Sorry for massive graphic, but this is important. On the left, what each individual in each nation spends on heathcare. On the right, life expectancy (Proxy for quality of heathcare). Hint: Flat lines are good. Left to right upward lines are better. Left to right downward lines indicate something wrong. Source: National Geographic.

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    CrakrJak Male 40-49
    17515 posts
    September 13, 2010 at 2:57 am
    davymid: With all the `This is why America is fat` posts here, Don`t you think obesity is at least a contributing factor to `lifespan` ? And that`s just one factor, Let`s add Gang Violence, Illicit Drugs, Alcoholism, Diabetes, AIDS, etc.

    American`s lifespan has more to do with lifestyle not health care quality.
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    Jonno22 Male 18-29
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    September 13, 2010 at 3:04 am
    Anyone ever seen John Q?
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    aseirinn Male 70 & Over
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    September 13, 2010 at 3:04 am
    hold on!...gotta get my sunglasses, will look a graph then
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    eskimo9 Male 18-29
    703 posts
    September 13, 2010 at 3:13 am
    Woo Mexico, way to beat the odds guys! No wonder Japan has the highest life expectancy, based on that graph they practically live at the doctor`s.
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    jimbobsthebe Male 18-29
    639 posts
    September 13, 2010 at 3:28 am
    CrakrJak, took the words out of my mouth. Spending more on health care doesn`t improve life expectancy. A healthy life style improves life expectancy.

    All I think this graph really shows is how much more Americans spend on health care than the rest of the world.
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    KannaLilly Female 13-17
    635 posts
    September 13, 2010 at 4:25 am
    You know what? I`m sick of IAB`s titles and descriptions at this point.
    What in the name of sanity does this have to do with socialized health care? Keep personal political opinions out of random laughs, plz.
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    Intaresting Male 18-29
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    September 13, 2010 at 5:07 am
    That`s really clever, mr. propaganda guy.
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    madest Male 40-49
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    September 13, 2010 at 5:40 am
    Altaru, madest, & pyrrhios: I`ll tell you exactly why socialized medicine won`t work here.
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    Works for you. I don`t care what your prediction is. You are a supreme hypocrite for being against the same healthcare that you receive on my tax dollars. Complete BS CJ. You have no credibility.
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    alley228 Female 18-29
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    September 13, 2010 at 6:09 am
    AHAHA this made me laugh out loud in the middle of class.
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    KellsBells Female 30-39
    316 posts
    September 13, 2010 at 6:32 am
    This is so retarded. Fancy, need to change the name of this site from I Am Bored to IMa Bitchin`. That`s all people on this site want to do anymore. Either that, or poke fun of the same group of people (fat people) over and over and over and over again. Ugh.
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    Oystah Female 40-49
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    September 13, 2010 at 6:44 am
    Cancer`s not all that funny.
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    MechBFP Male 18-29
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    September 13, 2010 at 6:46 am
    No kidding KannaLilly, the people running this site are getting more and more stupid by the day.
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    SeaBassEX Male 30-39
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    September 13, 2010 at 6:56 am
    You know a site is bad when the mods are trolling.
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    edana42 Female 50-59
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    September 13, 2010 at 7:03 am
    the French system is similar enough to the U.S. model that reforms based on France`s experience might work in America. The French can choose their doctors and see any specialist they want. Doctors in France, many of whom are self- employed, are free to prescribe any care they deem medically necessary. However, in 1990, 7% of health-care expenditures were financed out of general revenue taxes, and the rest came from mandatory payroll taxes. By 2003, the general revenue figure had grown to 40%, and it`s still not enough. The French national insurance system has been running constant deficits since 1985 and has ballooned to $13.5 billion. The result: As Congress fights over whether America should be more like France, the French government is trying to borrow U.S. tactics.
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    meepmaker Male 30-39
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    September 13, 2010 at 7:05 am
    Meh.
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    mcfudge Male 18-29
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    September 13, 2010 at 7:05 am
    This site is crap...

    fancyfag is trying to turn this into 4chan or something, which is not working since he is basically the only person posting.
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    edana42 Female 50-59
    2509 posts
    September 13, 2010 at 7:06 am
    Newfoundland Premier Danny Williams will undergo heart surgery later this week in the United States.

    Deputy premier Kathy Dunderdale confirmed the treatment at a news conference Tuesday, but would not reveal the location of the operation or how it would be paid for.

    “He has gone to a renowned expert in the procedure that he needs to have done,” said Ms. Dunderdale, who will become acting premier while Mr. Williams is away for three to 12 weeks.

    “In consultation with his own doctors, he’s decided to go that route.”

    Mr. Williams’ decision to leave Canada for the surgery has raised eyebrows over his apparent shunning of Canada’s health-care system.
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    CrakrJak Male 40-49
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    September 13, 2010 at 7:20 am
    madest: I worked hard to pay for that benefit madest, Your a snob for thinking I don`t deserve it.
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    Hansbo Male 18-29
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    September 13, 2010 at 7:33 am
    Sometimes I like living in Scandinavia. Not neccessarily the best, but we can`t complain :)
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    Froggybuster Male 13-17
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    September 13, 2010 at 7:45 am
    mcfudge
    Male, 18-29, Southern US
    249 Posts Monday, September 13, 2010 7:05:43 AM
    This site is crap...

    fancyfag is trying to turn this into 4chan or something, which is not working since he is basically the only person posting.

    CORRECT!!!
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    madest Male 40-49
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    September 13, 2010 at 8:15 am
    madest: I worked hard to pay for that benefit madest, Your a snob for thinking I don`t deserve it.
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    Let me see if I understand you. Because you worked you think that you deserve government sponsored healthcare? I work. I`ve always worked. I pay for my insurance. In fact I`ve always had insurance and I`ve never been sick enough to even go to a doctor. My insurance rates go up every year. The CEO of my health insurance company makes over $50million annually.
    For you to claim that you are the only person who "deserves" universal healthcare shows you have an ego that is out of control. I suggest you seek some tax payer provided psychiatric help.

    PS: It`s "you`re" not your.
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    auburnjunky Male 30-39
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    September 13, 2010 at 9:56 am
    "The CEO of my health insurance company makes over $50million annually."

    Something tells me that if YOU were the CEO of an insurance company, you wouldn`t be sad about how much money you make.

    You`re showing a bad case of class envy.
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    auburnjunky Male 30-39
    10339 posts
    September 13, 2010 at 9:59 am
    @davy.

    What I noticed about your graph, is not the discrepancy of dollars spent to lifespan.

    I noticed that Americans don`t think going to the doctor regularly is important. THAT is what contributes to a SLIGHTLY diminished lifespan.
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    madest Male 40-49
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    September 13, 2010 at 10:08 am
    No class warfare, common sense. A paper pusher shouldn`t make $50mil a year. That`s all.
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    auburnjunky Male 30-39
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    September 13, 2010 at 10:13 am
    Why not Madest?

    So let me get this right. You start a company from nothing. It`s an office company so there`s no outside work. (paper pusher as you say)

    After a few years, your company brings in billions in profit. You have some of the highest paid workers in the industry.

    What should your pay be?

    Also, you never addressed my point. If you made 50 mil "pushing paper", you wouldn`t complain I assure you.
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    auburnjunky Male 30-39
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    September 13, 2010 at 10:15 am
    "A paper pusher shouldn`t make $50mil a year."

    Also, this is communist. "X" should make this much. "Y" should make this much.

    What is the incentive to even START a company if you can`t make money hand over fist?
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    oceanbeast Male 18-29
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    September 13, 2010 at 10:16 am
    all you stupid foreigners need to understand something, America DOES NOT WANT AND DID NOT PASS UNIVERSAL HEALTHCARE. it was forced upon the public through deals made behind closed doors with parties that have no interest in our health at all. keep your system in your country but stfu and stop trying to convince Americans about something that will not work here in our country. we dont tell you what you should do, take your graphs and shove`em
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    oceanbeast Male 18-29
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    September 13, 2010 at 10:18 am
    who "should" make 50mil a year?

    you sound like fidel castro, hugo chavez, and che guevara all rolled into one
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    auburnjunky Male 30-39
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    September 13, 2010 at 10:18 am
    "DOES NOT WANT AND DID NOT PASS UNIVERSAL HEALTHCARE"

    No. We passed "Universal get insurance or pay a fine care".
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    oceanbeast Male 18-29
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    September 13, 2010 at 10:20 am
    edana42 - the same thing is also happening in the uk, they are encouraging the public to seek private insurance to lighten the load on the government. sure it worked fine for 50 years but now they hit a wall and are bancrupting themselves
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    oceanbeast Male 18-29
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    September 13, 2010 at 10:21 am
    auburnjunky - yeah that too, our government is drated in general but these Obama policies are really crushing the middle class
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    oceanbeast Male 18-29
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    September 13, 2010 at 10:23 am
    edana42 - the same thing is also happening in the uk, they are encouraging the public to seek private insurance to lighten the load on the government. sure it worked fine for 50 years but now they hit a wall and are bancrupting themselves
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    hknuddv Male 13-17
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    September 13, 2010 at 10:47 am
    So the poor should have to choose between having an operation or having a house?

    Drating american redneck hillbilly rightwing gun-nut inbred backwater retards.
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    Oli_b Male 18-29
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    September 13, 2010 at 11:05 am
    As a doctor in the UK I like the fact I can help my patients decide whether they want or need a scan or procedure without it affecting whether I get paid.
    Trust me, I`m a doctor without an economic motive.
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    madest Male 40-49
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    September 13, 2010 at 11:08 am
    Perhaps you`re onto something AJ. Wage restrictions ought to be considered.

    First of all, the CEO of my insurance company isn`t the founder. Second they don`t sell ipods they sell insurance. An iPod is discretionary. Insurance is not. So comparing it to any business isn`t a fair comparison. Insurance works this way: They take money from subject A and give it to doctor B if subject A ever gets sick. What if subject A never gets sick? Does he get money back? No of course not thats why they call it "insurance". The company keeps it and uses it for a myriad of other things including CEO salaries. I support national healthcare for the slight possiblity that Mr. Insurance CEO will lose a few million per year. Serve him right.
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    auburnjunky Male 30-39
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    September 13, 2010 at 11:13 am
    "Perhaps you`re onto something AJ. Wage restrictions ought to be considered."

    Are you sure you aren`t a member of Hugo Chavez`s cabinet?
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    edana42 Female 50-59
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    September 13, 2010 at 11:17 am
    I only make $28,0000/yr. If I had a chance to double or triple that I sure in hell don`t want anyone telling me how much I should or shouldn`t make so I am not about to tell a doctor, a paper pusher or anyone else how much they should make.

    You buy what you feel is valuable to you. I have sat around the bonfire watching my friends bitch that they don`t have money for health insurance but they seem to find money for their beer, cigarettes, 4WDs, motorcycles, DVD players, DVD`s, CD, XBox, playstation, and all the games that go with it while they order pizza, have a car, cable and a cell phone.

    You have to understand that poor in America is not even remotely the same as poor in 3rd world countries.
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    madest Male 40-49
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    September 13, 2010 at 11:52 am
    Are you sure you aren`t a member of Hugo Chavez`s cabinet?
    ---------------
    Here is an example of the things people say when they`ve been stymied by logic. Your the typical republican. You have no propsals of your own you just mock people ideas.
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    auburnjunky Male 30-39
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    September 13, 2010 at 11:58 am
    I have given you proposals. You choose to ignore them.

    I asked you a question 3 times. You replied by not answering, and wasting my time with pointless nonsense.

    Figured I`d return the favor.
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    madest Male 40-49
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    September 13, 2010 at 11:59 am
    Name 1 proposal you put forth besides calling me communist.
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    auburnjunky Male 30-39
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    September 13, 2010 at 12:31 pm
    How about that rate of pay for CEOs are not out of hand, so this isn`t even a conversation?

    I can`t give you a true proposal on fixing something that isn`t broken.

    Now answer MY question from earlier. If you made 50 mil "pushing paper", would you be complaining about CEOs being overpaid?
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    madest Male 40-49
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    September 13, 2010 at 12:36 pm
    I`m not greedy. If I were the CEO of a major insurance company there would be no need for national healthcare. I would take premiums invest them conservatively and make payouts to the doctors as needed. My salary would be a fraction of $50mil.

    Nobody in my insuerance company would lose coverage. I can assure you that.
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    Siyanor Male 18-29
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    September 13, 2010 at 1:19 pm
    Crakr, please go back and actually read my posts.

    I am a socialist. I know what socialism is. I don`t care what you say, I don`t care what political scientists say, I don`t care what the dictionary says. None of them can ever understand socialism as well as a true socialist.

    The means to achieve socialism is not socialism itself.
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    EricWRN Male 30-39
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    September 13, 2010 at 2:33 pm
    You know who else was a proud socialist? Hitler. MUAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHA
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    EricWRN Male 30-39
    590 posts
    September 13, 2010 at 2:37 pm
    Also, I love how John Q Public doesn`t give a poo about someone`s freedom when it comes to keeping the money they`ve worked for and earned (tax those rich bastards!) but when it comes to an ambiguous eavesdropping measure like "The Patriot Act" it`s the government trying to monitor and control our lives!

    Sure it`s fine if the government TAKES money from us and decides how to use it but how dare they read our emails!!!! drating hypocrites.

    Sorry but if the government is going to gain too much power and too much authority it`s going to be by controlling our income and america`s wealth, not by reading our emails (although I`m against the Patriot Act as well).
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    Siyanor Male 18-29
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    September 13, 2010 at 2:44 pm
    Eric, I don`t know if you`re joking, trolling, or an idiot, but whichever it is, please stop.
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    RaabDiabolus Male 18-29
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    September 13, 2010 at 2:45 pm
    @ EricWRN
    You know who was not a socialist? Hitler. His Nazi Party was based off of Fascist nationalism. Which essentially means his party was based off of corporate ideologies with a strong emphasis put on patriotism.
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    CrakrJak Male 40-49
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    September 13, 2010 at 3:16 pm
    madest: I never said I`m the only person who "deserves" universal healthcare It`s you that said that.

    That is a flat out BS lie on me right there. I said, That I have worked and paid for my benefits, like most Americans, Most of my life. You were being a snob saying I didn`t deserve them.

    If you hate how high your insurance rates are then fight for Tort Reform and get the damn lawyers greedy hands out of our health care system. Between the jackpot awards they get and the unnecessary `defensive medicine` practices by doctors to limit their liability, You could very easily afford your insurance and more people would get insurance because of lower costs and premiums.
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    Somehowfunny Female 18-29
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    September 13, 2010 at 3:25 pm
    @RaabDiabolus I now call for the to be locked as Godwin`s First Law of the Internet has occurred.

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    SwayzeCrazy4 Male 13-17
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    September 13, 2010 at 3:30 pm
    lol I love how the description says Obama once, and everyone goes into a rage war.
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    Siyanor Male 18-29
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    September 13, 2010 at 3:31 pm
    Somehowfunny:

    I call for you to die because you do not understand Godwin`s First Law of the Internet and yet you are commenting about it.
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    CrakrJak Male 40-49
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    September 13, 2010 at 3:44 pm
    madest: A CEOs job is to make money for the shareholders, To run the company efficiently, And be the public `face` of the company. That`s what it boils down to.

    I can assure you that if you were a CEO and ran a company the way you stated, Your shareholders would complain to the Chairman of the Board of Directors and have you fired because you would be running that company into the ground. It would be loosing money hand over fist.

    madest, You are completely steeped in class warfare. You don`t think anyone deserves a $50 million a year salary for running a multi-billion dollar company, It`s much harder than you think it is. A company that large will have thousands of employees and the CEO is ultimately responsible for all of them. A company that large will have 100s of thousands of shareholders and a millions of customers, That is a lot of responsibility and most people can`t handle it.
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    CrakrJak Male 40-49
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    September 13, 2010 at 4:00 pm
    Siyanor: Here we go with the `You have to be one to know one` Baloney. No, You don`t.

    I`m not an Olympic athlete, But i know it takes a lot of hard work and dedication to be one, and even then it`s likely you won`t be gold medal winner.

    I`m not an Buddhist, But I know how most of them think of and see the world.

    I`m not a farmer, But I know it`s a tough thankless job that requires a lot of heart and faith.

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    chrn368 Male 18-29
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    September 13, 2010 at 4:32 pm
    the health care bill is one of the best things to happen to health care and anyone who`s bashing it, doesn`t understand it. Yes, I can explain further, but I`m not really in the mood.
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    madest Male 40-49
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    September 13, 2010 at 4:34 pm
    Tort reform? Really? That`s where the insurance money goes? CEO pay is nothing? How many insurance premiums need to be paid in order to afford a $50million salary? How many to afford the yearly performance bonus`s that seem to come even when business is down? Let me ask you a question; Whats more maddening someone who only wants taxpayer funded healthcare for his disabled self or someone who thinks lawsuits are ruining our healthcare industry?
    Insurance is supposed to be a "private industry" but AIG has proven that`s not really the case is it? Turns out they are beholden to investors not clients. They waste millions on unnecessary things like advertising and lawyers to figure out which of the insured sick they can drop. When the tech bubble burst in 2000 it was the insured who`s rates went up to cover their losses. The guy that sues the hospital because they took the wrong testicle is not the problem.
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    Altaru Male 18-29
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    September 13, 2010 at 4:53 pm
    I call for you to die because you do not understand Godwin`s First Law of the Internet and yet you are commenting about it.
    I`m just gonna mention here that, for someone who opposes killing according to your own words, you have a bad habit of telling people to die...

    Also, you`re the idiot, since he used it correctly. Throwing Hitler into this conversation was unnecessary and, as the law was originally meant to show, trivializes the Holocaust and the massacre of millions of people.

    All during a conversation about health care. This thread is over.
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    yellowsquare Female 18-29
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    September 13, 2010 at 5:26 pm
    oceanbeast makes me lol.

    Also: drat corporate health care. drat socialist health care. Everyone should elect a neighborhood medicine man and be done with it, like the good old days.
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    osirisascend Male 40-49
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    September 13, 2010 at 6:23 pm
    @ Yellowsquare: HEY!!! Where the hell ya been?
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    rakoonhat Female 30-39
    654 posts
    September 13, 2010 at 8:29 pm
    all i know...im going to waste your tax money like a son of a bitch when it hits..and it all your own dam fault

    there`s millions just like me too
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    RotBottom Male 18-29
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    September 13, 2010 at 8:29 pm
    I-A-B you`re drating retarded
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    chewiegooey Male 18-29
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    September 13, 2010 at 8:48 pm
    Description fail
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    Northernwolf
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    September 13, 2010 at 9:11 pm
    I wounder if he does the same when somone has aids.
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    Siyanor Male 18-29
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    September 13, 2010 at 9:40 pm
    Ok, fine, maybe you don`t have to be one. But you have to actually PAY ATTENTION to their beliefs, which you aren`t doing.

    Altaru, I want nearly everyone in the world to die. I do not want to KILL anyone. There`s a huge difference. Also, something unnecessary occurring in a thread does not ever justify closing said thread, under any conditions.
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    CrakrJak Male 40-49
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    September 13, 2010 at 9:48 pm
    $50 million is a drop in the bucket compared with the savings we would get from tort reform and the reduction of defensive medicine, $92 to $207 billion dollars per year. Let`s compare that.

    $50,000,000
    or
    $207,000,000,000

    Not a hard decision is it?
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    CrakrJak Male 40-49
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    September 13, 2010 at 10:04 pm
    [quote">Insurance is supposed to be a "private industry" but AIG has proven that`s not really the case is it? Turns out they are beholden to investors not clients.[/quote">

    AIG is a Corporation, It is `Public` as `AIG` on the NYSE, and is in the S&P 500. It is being propped up right now by the Federal Reserve Bank, It`s credit rating fell below AA, Because of SEC fraud investigations.

    I don`t know where you got the `private industry` thing. If you want to know more might I suggest Wiki
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    SephirothA83 Male 18-29
    955 posts
    September 14, 2010 at 4:13 am
    there`s a lot of drating retards in America that are bashing on socialized health care because their being spoon fed the same bullpoo from faux news and other conservatives.

    The changes to healthcare can only help the people of America in the long run.
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    CrakrJak Male 40-49
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    September 14, 2010 at 4:36 am
    SephirothA83: Nothing the US government controls runs efficiently or cheaply.

    examples: The Postal Service, Amtrak, The VA, The IRS, Medicare, Etc.. All have had large amounts of waste, Huge administration costs, And slow service.
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    deeplick Male 18-29
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    September 14, 2010 at 5:31 am
    @SephirothA83 Explain the great benefits of socialized health care. Please... Yeah, that`s right, you can`t. There are so many people who praise socialized health care but when asked to explain how its going to be so great, they can`t.
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    KellsBells Female 30-39
    316 posts
    September 14, 2010 at 5:38 am
    @oceanbeast. Speak for yourself, please. I was born and raised in this country and I am APPALLED that I work my A$$ off and can`t get the health care I need because my company doesn`t provide health care I can AFFORD. I have several medical conditions that are going untreated because I can`t afford to see the doctors I need to see. And before you cry medical assistance 1) I don`t WANT to suck money out of the welfare system when people who REALLY need it can`t even get it and 2) I make too much money to qualify anyway.

    I work two jobs, make too much money to qualify for medical assistance, but not enough to live on. GOD BLESS AMERICA!

    I say BRING ON UNIVERSAL HEALTH CARE!!!!
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    EricWRN Male 30-39
    590 posts
    September 14, 2010 at 6:52 am
    KellsBells: Universal Healthcare is not even one of ten or twenty different solutions for your problems, unfortunately politicians have convinced you and many other people that this is a black and white situation and there are no other options.

    And "ha ha" to anyone who defends this health care bill by stating "people just don`t understand what it is". Nobody understands it! Not the president, not the politicians who voted for it, not the public that supports/ argues it!

    And regarding tort reform: "The guy that sues the hospital for taking the wrong testicle is not the problem." No, he`s not the problem, he has every right, but he`s also the minority. You obviously don`t work in healthcare because the VAST MAJORITY of health care lawsuits are COMPLETELY SUPERFLUOUS.
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    EricWRN Male 30-39
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    September 14, 2010 at 7:14 am
    Actually Godwin`s Law wasn`t meant to show how people trivialize the holocaust, it was simply to demonstrate that some idiot will always compare some person or group to Hitler or Nazis to make their opponent inarguably evil, thus ending any sort of rational discussion. This is why I find it comical to make the inevitable Hitler comparison and draw first blood! To demonstrate how little I care about any actual similarities (no matter how trivial) between the principles of socialism and Hitler`s National Socialist Party I won`t even provide counterpoint to the common assertion that Hitler was the anti-socialist!
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    madest Male 40-49
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    September 14, 2010 at 7:21 am
    KellsBells, Don`t worry about the retards on medicare who don`t think you should receive universal healthcare. It`s coming and there`s nothing these douchebags can do about it.
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    EricWRN Male 30-39
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    September 14, 2010 at 7:28 am
    Madest: Why aren`t Medicare and Medicaid repealed as part of the new universal healthcare bill?
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    madest Male 40-49
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    September 14, 2010 at 8:26 am
    Because CrakrJak would have a fit.
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    EricWRN Male 30-39
    590 posts
    September 14, 2010 at 8:32 am
    It was a serious question for anybody who thinks this government sponsored universal health care bill is a good idea that I can`t find an answer to. Why aren`t Medicare and Medicaid being repealed as part of the bill? Why aren`t they obsolete?
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    edana42 Female 50-59
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    September 14, 2010 at 8:52 am
    @ KellsBells

    once again...you buy what you feel is valuable to you. I have sat around the bonfire watching my friends bitch that they don`t have money for health insurance but they seem to find money for their beer, cigarettes, 4WDs, motorcycles, DVD players, DVD`s, CD, XBox, playstation, and all the games that go with it while they order pizza, have a car, cable and a cell phone while producing kids they can`t afford.

    You have to understand that poor in America is not even remotely the same as poor in 3rd world countries.
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    Amurika Male 30-39
    282 posts
    September 14, 2010 at 11:29 am
    fascism hard at work. you can just see this whole thing getting outta hand in the future. "drug testing just to get your teeth cleaned or just to go to the doctor". all sorts of fascist goodies.I cant wait, lets get this Orwellian society Rick Rollin bitches!! Someone rub Pelosi`s bunions before she comes up with more tyrannical ideas. LOL
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    Altaru Male 18-29
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    September 14, 2010 at 11:45 am
    Altaru, I want nearly everyone in the world to die. I do not want to KILL anyone. There`s a huge difference.
    You`re retarded. End of story. And I`m not just going on this post, I`m going off your past comments and other stupid sh*t you`ve said.

    Seriously, I`ve seen trolls, I`ve seen damn good trolls, and then there`s idiots like you that genuinely believe the bullsh*t you spew...

    Here`s an idea for you: since nearly everyone in the world isn`t going to die, and you`re never going to change the world to comply with your retarded specifications, maybe you should just save the rest of us a lot of grief and bullsh*t?

    After all, you`ve complained about not having enough money to go to Iceland, or wherever?
    Like edana42 said, you buy what you want, which means you clearly enjoy the lifestyle you have here, otherwise you would save up, pack up, and leave...
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    auburnjunky Male 30-39
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    September 14, 2010 at 11:53 am
    Guys. Listen....

    WE DO NOT HAVE ENOUGH MONEY FOR THIS TO WORK!

    It will de-evolve into a single payer system, and we cannot pay for it!
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    madest Male 40-49
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    September 14, 2010 at 12:12 pm
    v Blame Bush for that v
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    auburnjunky Male 30-39
    10339 posts
    September 14, 2010 at 12:14 pm
    Oh so you agree with me?

    I blame Bush for starting it, because he didn`t veto congress` stupid bailouts.

    I blame Obama for not stopping it, adding to it, and making it snowball.
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    madest Male 40-49
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    September 14, 2010 at 12:56 pm
    No and the majority of Americans don`t agree with you and thats why they voted for Obama.
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    PunchFace Male 18-29
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    September 14, 2010 at 1:29 pm
    Christ people. Socialised healthcare has worked for how long in the UK? Yes, there are problems, but it`s a damn government department, what else do you expect. there will be less problems than you have now, and the quality of your healthcare will not depend on the depth of your pocket. My Mum has an incredibly rare cancer, and anywhere else, we couldn`t afford the treatment. But instead the NHS pays for the £1,000 a month injections, as well as all the other treatments. I love that I live in a country with socialised healthcare.
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    auburnjunky Male 30-39
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    September 14, 2010 at 1:31 pm
    @punchface:

    Oh you mean THIS NHS??
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    PunchFace Male 18-29
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    September 14, 2010 at 1:34 pm
    "However, for certain types of tumour the drug is not licensed, or approved by NICE, and it is vitally important that we consider all the clinical evidence in deciding to fund a drug in these circumstances.
    "We have to prioritise treatments that we have clear evidence will work over those where we can?t be certain, to get the best from our limited resources and to not endanger patients with unproven treatments."
    Quote from that article
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    auburnjunky Male 30-39
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    September 14, 2010 at 1:34 pm
    @madest:

    You mean DIDN`T agree.
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    auburnjunky Male 30-39
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    September 14, 2010 at 1:35 pm
    "to get the best from our limited resources"

    There wouldn`t be limited resources if she was allowed to have her own insurance.
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    PunchFace Male 18-29
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    September 14, 2010 at 1:38 pm
    the drug still isn`t licenced for her cancer. Our version of the FDA, the MCA, has only licenced it for use with renal cancers. That`s a government bureaucracy problem, not the NHS` problem.
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    PunchFace Male 18-29
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    September 14, 2010 at 1:41 pm
    sorry, the EMEA, we`re post 1995....
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    madest Male 40-49
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    September 14, 2010 at 1:58 pm
    @madest:
    You mean DIDN`T agree.
    --------
    Nope. Obama ran on healthcare reform and won. Too bad for you and all your crybaby friends huh?
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    EricWRN Male 30-39
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    September 14, 2010 at 2:15 pm
    Madest: Do you ever have any facts or data to support your arguments or is it always simply to "blame Bush" and "america loves obama"? I`d advise you to consider stopping just running with the flock but anymore I think most of the pro-Obama, "he can`t be worse than Bush" flock, has even stopped running towards the cliff to ask WTF is this guy doing!

    I don`t know if you noticed but the administrations plan to solve unemployment didn`t really pan out. You can blame whoever you want for the pooty economy but Obama PROMISED us that spending a trillion of OUR dollars would fix it and it didn`t! The projections he gave proved to be TOTALLY INCORRECT. So while it might be Bush`s fault we`re in the mess (I agree it is), one of two things is certain now: Obama has NO IDEA what he`s doing or he DOESN`T CARE if what he tells the public is accurate.

    In conclusion: "Blame Bush for is a ridiculous comment. Obama has spent
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    EricWRN Male 30-39
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    September 14, 2010 at 2:22 pm
    medest: Obama ran on "I`m not George Bush and John McCain is" and won. Let`s be realistic here. And you may want to reconsider your tactic of pushing your finger in people`s eye about how we`re going to have a huge, inefficient, money sucking leviathan of a government run health care program and there`s nothing anyone can do about it. Regardless of it`s pro`s and con`s it`s an unconstitutional law and it`s very possible it`s going to be repealed. You`re going to be quite butt-hurt about all your metaphorical raspberries if it is.
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    madest Male 40-49
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    September 14, 2010 at 2:31 pm
    medest: Obama ran on "I`m not George Bush and John McCain is" and won.
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    I hope your penis is longer than your memory.
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    EricWRN Male 30-39
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    September 14, 2010 at 2:38 pm
    You`re a typical kool-aid drinking mindlessly herded sheep Madest. Even when people try to point out to you that much of your flock has disappeared around you, you boast that you`re closing your eyes and running faster towards the cliff. If you can`t provide any sort of data or factual evidence or even "some article I read in a magazine I can`t remember", I shall simply say Obama = Hitler and be done with it!
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    liljerzy Male 18-29
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    September 14, 2010 at 3:54 pm
    obama is goin... has destroyed your future dumb f_ck bush isn`t the one to blame Clinton started it with his housing bill we almost hit half a trillion in the first half year of it. bush is to blame for for 5 trillion just because he didn`t cancel clintons bill and obama is responsible for 11 TRILLION DOLLARS in the first TWO years of him presidency and 10 TRILLION because of his bills alone so why don`t you shut the f_ck up you dumb arraignment a_s prick.
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    madest Male 40-49
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    September 14, 2010 at 3:59 pm
    "My flock" is left of President Obama. They have problems with his presidency but not for the reasons you think. My flock are angry that there`s no public option in the healthcare bill (yet). My flock are angry that we`re still at war. My flock doesn`t think Mr. Obama is liberal enough. An end to DADT and support for gay marriage would be nice. Taxing the piss out of the rich would be too. Raising taxes on gas would help innovate more economical modes of transportation while simultaneously helping the environment so yeah, my flock has reason to be angry but don`t think for a second that translates into supporting uneducated, inbred, redneck republicans because you`d be wrong.
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    liljerzy Male 18-29
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    September 14, 2010 at 4:02 pm
    d_mn all of tall are talking out of you a_s stop watching nbc they don`t spoon feed you the bull sh_t the shove it straight in your a_s. try looking up these so called fact y`all think you know so well regardless as to who started to each person in America today owes 64 thousand dollars in dept seriously look up your fact and try using your mouth to talk rather than your a_s


    GOD BLESS THESE UNTIED STATES
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    liljerzy Male 18-29
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    September 14, 2010 at 4:09 pm
    heath-care is going to bone us regardless whether we have an opinion in it or not, for most of what you said i agree except for gays i still believe its wrong i don`t hate the people rather the sin. the rich worked their way up there i believe they should be taxed fairly more than average but still fairly.
    amen to the last part
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    liljerzy Male 18-29
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    September 14, 2010 at 4:17 pm
    hey madest two under this one wasnt aimed toward you it was for eric
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    liljerzy Male 18-29
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    September 14, 2010 at 4:17 pm
    and others
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    CrakrJak Male 40-49
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    September 14, 2010 at 4:34 pm
    madest is so far to the left, Joseph Stalin would be like "Holy Sh|t!"

    J/K Dude.
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    madest Male 40-49
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    September 14, 2010 at 5:37 pm
    Stalin wasn`t liberal. He was a dictator of a communist country.
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    ElMustache Male 18-29
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    September 14, 2010 at 6:22 pm
    Why is socialized health care a bad thing? Rather than the Corporate bastards that are running the show. Cost analysis should not outweigh a persons right to good health.
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    auburnjunky Male 30-39
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    September 15, 2010 at 12:23 am
    "Cost analysis should not outweigh a persons right to good health."

    This is the problem with socialized health care.

    "Sorry ma`am. You can`t get that heart transplant because you are too old. We won`t make the money back off of you for the surgery, so just take these pills and it will all be over soon."
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    auburnjunky Male 30-39
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    September 15, 2010 at 12:39 am
    "Stalin wasn`t liberal."

    He was liberal with regulations on business.

    He threw them around like they were candy.

    You do know that`s what liberal means right?

    When someone is conservative, they want to conserve the right ways to live, and our way of life.

    When someone is liberal, it is supposed to mean that they are open to new things, even if it isn`t good for us as a people. They can be convinced of anything.
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    EricWRN Male 30-39
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    September 15, 2010 at 5:48 am
    I hate redneck inbred republicans ALMOST as much as I hate kool-aid drinking idiot progressives who know nothing about what has historically worked and failed. You`ve demonstrated that you can`t provide any data or evidence that legislating an unconstitutional universal healthcare plan improves anything or makes any sort of sense. There are several government health care plans already that aren`t being repealed in this bill, although it seemingly makes them obsolete. Why was this law introduced instead of an effort to revamp current healthcare laws or current government programs? You`ve proven you know nothing about this bill or why it`s being legislated the way it is yet you think it`s a great idea (just doesn`t go far enough).
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    madest Male 40-49
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    September 15, 2010 at 6:24 am
    I`m gonna ignore AJ because he`s clearly retarded if he thinks Stalin was liberal. EricWRN what`s unconstitutional about healthcare? And how is it fair that the insured pay for the uninsured? We have enough money to bomb countries 1/2 way around the world then we have enough money for social causes in this country. I don`t need to prove anything to you. The healthcare bill was passed in a legal legislative way. It will become law when it kicks in no matter if you like it or not. Sucks to be you.
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    auburnjunky Male 30-39
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    September 15, 2010 at 8:20 am
    Madest is the worst kind of schoolkid lobbyist.

    Nyah Nyah! I`m rubber, you`re glue!

    Your momma wears combat boots!

    I never said he was 100% liberal. I said he was liberal on issues.
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    ruthless1990 Female 18-29
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    September 15, 2010 at 10:04 am
    we have national health care over here in Britain, and its great thanks. So stop your worrying America, national health care is awesome.
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    Shortbuskid Male 18-29
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    September 15, 2010 at 10:18 am
    ... Just how many Americans commenting on socialized medicine have actually been to a hospital in a country that has socialized medicine? not many I`m sure.
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    EricWRN Male 30-39
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    September 15, 2010 at 11:54 am
    So madest, I take it you`re poor and live off government subsidies and this is a huge victory for you and you feel like you`re really "sticking it to the man" with unconstitutional government mandates? Or do you just assume that anyone who thinks Obama is a moron and that universal health care is a half-witted, moronic solution for our health care problems MUST be a republican (e.g. "the other team" to you). I have bad news for you, not every is a kool-aid drinking dumbpoo political party cheerleader such as yourself Madest!
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    EricWRN Male 30-39
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    September 15, 2010 at 11:56 am
    Shortbuskid: probably less than the number of british and canadians that actually think their forms of socialized medicine work really well
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    Shortbuskid Male 18-29
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    September 15, 2010 at 12:20 pm
    EricWRN: What about the French or the Japanese? The french sytem is amazing. Canada or England don`t have to be the model (although I like how you phrased that response 1000 is indeed less that say 1 million) ;) While I`m not arguing one way or the other about the passed law, I just find it funny that so many people can be opposed to the idea when they havent even seen it in action.

    as a side note yes i have used socilized medicine - went in for a minor surgery in Australia and lived in japan for a while.
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    auburnjunky Male 30-39
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    September 15, 2010 at 12:22 pm
    "I just find it funny that so many people can be opposed to the idea when they havent even seen it in action."

    I find it funny that so many people support it, and they haven`t seen it in action.

    Obamacare is NOT universal healthcare.

    It`s a means to an end to eventually NEED it.
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    Shortbuskid Male 18-29
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    September 15, 2010 at 12:44 pm
    notice I said the idea of socialized medicine which is NOT the same as the laws that were passed. Which we aren`t really arguing about first hand because who here has actually read them?
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    madest Male 40-49
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    September 15, 2010 at 1:18 pm
    ...Or do you just assume that anyone who thinks Obama is a moron and that universal health care is a half-witted, moronic solution for our health care problems MUST be a republican.
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    Yep. That about sums it up. You`re clearly too dumb to point to the part of the constitution that would support your argument about national healthcare being unconstitutional.
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    auburnjunky Male 30-39
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    September 15, 2010 at 2:34 pm
    @madest:

    THESE are the powers of congress! Nowhere does it say they have the constitutional power to MAKE us buy health care.

    Therefore, unconstitutional.
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    auburnjunky Male 30-39
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    September 15, 2010 at 2:37 pm
    Also, more specifically:

    "but all Duties, Imposts and Excises shall be uniform throughout the United States;"

    Corn-husker Kickback. Louisiana Purchase. Gator-aid.

    Why should those states get special treatment for voting yes for the bill, and my state does not?
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    EricWRN Male 30-39
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    September 15, 2010 at 5:08 pm
    Anyone who`s been in the military has seen socialized healthcare in America in action and it blows.

    And Madest, you clearly don`t understand how the constitution or the government works judging by the statement "show me where it says public healthcare is unconstitutional". In order to answer your question, I`d first have to explain to you how the government gets it`s powers via the constitution. No wonder you`re such a kool-aid drinking progressive who buys all this distribution of wealth bullpoo - you don`t even understand how our government works as it is!
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    madest Male 40-49
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    September 15, 2010 at 7:11 pm
    I was in the military and the healthcare was fine. And your presumption that everyone will now be getting their medical procedures done at the local base is absurd. Relax man the doctors will still be doctors and the hospitals will still be hospitals.
    If the constitution allows my government to collect taxes so they can wage war then they have the right to use those taxes to help Americans. So take your doom and gloom to Russia, the futures bright over here.
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    EricWRN Male 30-39
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    September 16, 2010 at 7:10 am
    madest: i didn`t suggest anyone would be getting care at a military base, i said that Tricare sucks and it does. Particularly the VA system. Plus I don`t think the government should be able to collect taxes to wage unconstitutional wars either. There you go assuming again that everyone is a kool-aid drinking sheep like you!
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    madest Male 40-49
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    September 16, 2010 at 8:35 am
    So my beliefs make me a kool-aide drinking sheep but your beliefs make you a brilliant thinker? I think you`re stupid. You`ve dodged the question of pointing out what makes national healthcare unconstitutional about 5 times now.
    Your belief that it`s acceptable to pay taxes to fight wars but it`s unconstitutional to use taxes for healthcare? It`s clear to me your position was fed to you. You don`t know why it`s unconstitutional, you just say it is because a talking head at FoxNews say so. What were you saying about sheep?
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    auburnjunky Male 30-39
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    September 16, 2010 at 9:27 am
    I answered it Madest.
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    madest Male 40-49
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    September 16, 2010 at 10:05 am
    I wasn`t talking to you AJ and your answer wasn`t satisfactory, I`d get into it with you if I thought you were smart enough to comprehend what I`m saying but you`re not.
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    auburnjunky Male 30-39
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    September 16, 2010 at 11:06 am
    If not giving you the answer you want, and instead giving you the correct answer makes me stupid, then I guess you`re right.

    Tell the shepherd I said hey.

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    madest Male 40-49
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    September 16, 2010 at 11:08 am
    Tea Party is full of retards. You`re in good company.
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    auburnjunky Male 30-39
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    September 16, 2010 at 11:26 am
    Both sides have their idiots.

    Ours protest. Yours run the country.
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    Tiger86 Male 18-29
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    October 14, 2010 at 8:07 pm
    I don`t know what we`re yelling about! Loud noises!
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    PunchFace Male 18-29
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    November 20, 2010 at 5:44 am
    Christ people. Socialised healthcare has worked for how long in the UK? Yes, there are problems, but it`s a damn government department, what else do you expect. there will be less problems than you have now, and the quality of your healthcare will not depend on the depth of your pocket. My Mum has an incredibly rare cancer, and anywhere else, we couldn`t afford the treatment. But instead the NHS pays for the £1,000 a month injections, as well as all the other treatments. I love that I live in a country with socialised healthcare.
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