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93 Responses to A Cartoon of Jewish History

  1. Profile photo of 5Cats
    5Cats Male 50-59
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    September 23, 2010 at 6:44 pm
    Link: A Cartoon of Jewish History - 4000 years of history from the Jewish perspective.
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    Vligon Male 18-29
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    September 25, 2010 at 9:19 am
    Interesting.
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    Krowley Male 30-39
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    September 25, 2010 at 9:21 am
    What an adorable, cartoony Hitler plotting genocide.
    Geez.
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    vatroslav Male 13-17
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    September 25, 2010 at 9:22 am
    1 thing I do not approve of is the way the Jews look at it - "It was once ours, it should be again"

    If the rest of the world was like that, France could claim half of Europe, Mongolia should take the entire Asian continent.The UK should reclaim it`s colonies like the USA, South Africa, India, Australia etc.

    Don`t get me wrong I`m not an anti-semitist, it`s just that the whole world screwed the Arabs over, it was their land and out of nowhere *SURPRISE ISRAEL*! Nobody asked them if they approved of it, nobody asked if it was THEIR land. There is no justice.
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    Toider Male 18-29
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    September 25, 2010 at 9:22 am
    This reminded me of a Michael Moore documentary...and that made me angry.
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    xavroche Male 30-39
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    September 25, 2010 at 9:23 am
    1, 2, 3, 4 I declare a flame war...
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    NoArms5534 Male 18-29
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    September 25, 2010 at 9:23 am
    Loved it.
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    rainbowfarts Female 18-29
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    September 25, 2010 at 9:29 am
    @vatroslav, couldn`t have said it better.
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    Nidonemo Male 18-29
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    September 25, 2010 at 9:32 am
    Now do Islamic history!
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    piperfawn Male 30-39
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    September 25, 2010 at 9:40 am
    Hmm but why in this history they don`t say how many time Israel have passed the border and killed thousen and thousen of neighbourhoods people?And how many time Israel have violated international laws and human rights?Btw still interesting also if is obviously a partial part of real history and is mixed with legends or religious elucubrations.
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    Thesphinx Male 18-29
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    September 25, 2010 at 9:43 am
    Pretty good and concise history, they sort of skimmed over WWII though.
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    madest Male 40-49
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    September 25, 2010 at 9:54 am
    v It`s not "concise", There`s no proof of Noah. There may have been a flood but it was merely regional. I doubt the whole Adam & Eve thing too. v
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    zhdapleeblue Male 18-29
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    September 25, 2010 at 9:58 am
    Nice....This made me wanna play Age of Empires
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    gorgack2000 Male 13-17
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    September 25, 2010 at 10:00 am
    "If the rest of the world was like that, France could claim half of Europe, Mongolia should take the entire Asian continent.The UK should reclaim it`s colonies like the USA, South Africa, India, Australia etc."

    Thousands of Indians, aborigines, bushmen and Native Americans just raged.
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    Luniz82 Male 18-29
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    September 25, 2010 at 10:07 am
    Religion is stupid. Just another reason for people to kill each other. Mass suicide of all religious people will solve 90% of the worlds problems.
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    vatroslav Male 13-17
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    September 25, 2010 at 10:12 am
    @gorgack2000 You forgot that the Israelis aren`t native to the land which is Israel today, they conquered it just like the British Empire conquered the land which I mentioned. I am talking about something that once belonged to somebody being returned to them just because history says it was once theirs, nothing to do with being a native.
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    xavroche Male 30-39
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    September 25, 2010 at 10:12 am
    "Don`t get me wrong I`m not an anti-semitist, it`s just that the whole world screwed the Arabs over, it was their land and out of nowhere *SURPRISE ISRAEL*! Nobody asked them if they approved of it, nobody asked if it was THEIR land. There is no justice."

    That`s a very inaccurate view of the events leading up to, and including, the UN backed creation of Israel in 1948.
    You make it seem like the Jews just suddenly appeared in the area in the middle of the 20th century. Starting in 1844(over one hundred years before the creation of Israel), Jews were the largest minority group in Jerusalem (majority in 1890). The Jewish population had been on the rise in the area for over a hundred years. While I won`t argue for or against the decisions made by the UN for 1948 or comment on the events which transpired since, I think it`s important to get facts straight and not make it seem like Jews only arrived after WWII...
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    madest Male 40-49
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    September 25, 2010 at 10:16 am
    Shouldn`t they be fighting to get back the Garden of Eden?
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    vatroslav Male 13-17
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    September 25, 2010 at 10:24 am
    @xavroche Nevertheless it doesn`t give them the right to reclaim the land and expel the Arabs out of their land, worse of all, they are doing to the Palestinians what was done to them in the concentration camps, gathering them and systematically getting rid of them (Gaza strip).
    I doubt the Jews were at one point a majority in Jerusalem, because Jerusalem had a strong Christian community and a Muslim one. And even if they were a majority, it doesn`t justify their acts.
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    dude21862004 Male 18-29
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    September 25, 2010 at 10:25 am
    "Religion is stupid. Just another reason for people to kill each other. Mass suicide of all religious people will solve 90% of the worlds problems."

    Mostly cause we`d lose 90% of the population. But at least that is around 80% of the stupid people.
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    yarrrpirate Male 18-29
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    September 25, 2010 at 10:34 am
    Please don`t confuse Israel with Judaism. That goes for the creator of the video, too, who seems to be content with his inner circular logic.
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    CrakrJak Male 40-49
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    September 25, 2010 at 10:35 am
    xavroche: The archaeology is pretty sound that the Israelites were there long before the arabs. After being bounced around europe for hundreds of years and all the persecution they had to endure, The UN did the right thing and gave the Jews their homeland back.
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    yarrrpirate Male 18-29
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    September 25, 2010 at 10:36 am
    ""If the rest of the world was like that, France could claim half of Europe, Mongolia should take the entire Asian continent.The UK should reclaim it`s colonies like the USA, South Africa, India, Australia etc."

    Thousands of Indians, aborigines, bushmen and Native Americans just raged."

    And what about the people that were there before them? Seriously, the "our ancestors owned this land thousands upon thousands of years ago, maybe" is a pretty weak argument. If you accept its principle, you justify the colonization of Africa.
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    yarrrpirate Male 18-29
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    September 25, 2010 at 10:40 am
    Also, by all standards, all of the US and Canada should be returned to the remaining native populations. Right, Crakrjak?
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    Wildcats2008 Male 18-29
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    September 25, 2010 at 10:43 am
    Did you know that the country of Israel as it is now is only about the size of New Jersey?

    This whole controversy over the Arabs wanting their land back isn`t about land. Palestinians HATE Jews and want to kill them. They could probably care less about that little strip of real estate if they could just eliminate the Jews.
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    SomeShoes Male 13-17
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    September 25, 2010 at 10:43 am
    Jüdin
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    Buiadh Male 30-39
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    September 25, 2010 at 10:57 am
    What a load of pro-Jewish crap.
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    xavroche Male 30-39
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    September 25, 2010 at 10:59 am
    @vatroslav: Jews=Nazis, this early on in the thread? Epic fail on your part....and whether or not you believe in the facts that I mentioned is pretty irrelevant. I`m basing it on Ottoman census, which, though completely inaccurate for the region, is pretty accurate for the city of Jerusalem. It is a pretty well accepted fact by historians that Jews became the majority population in Jerusalem around the 1890s.
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    Yehia Male 18-29
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    September 25, 2010 at 11:02 am
    @yarrrpirate Israel and Judaism cannot be separated as Judaism is the reason Jews wanted to go create Israel in the first place. Also, right now Israel is the only Jewish nation in the world. So both are linked in that method.
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    vatroslav Male 13-17
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    September 25, 2010 at 11:11 am
    @xavroche Clearly I can`t talk to somebody as ignorant as you. Have a good day sir.
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    xavroche Male 30-39
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    September 25, 2010 at 11:11 am
    @CrakrJak: I think it`s a bit of a misnomer to say that Israelites were there before Arabs. Both groups have Semetic origins and a common ancestry in the region. The Arabic ethnicity/culture has roots going back less than two thousand years, while the Israelites can be traced about three thousand, which does support your argument. However, the populations which would develop into Arabs were already living in the Middle Eastern region at the time of the original Israelites. Anyway it doesn`t really matter because I don`t think that the right of Israel to exist is dependant on ancient history. (However I do believe that the state of Israel has an undeniable right today to exist)
    As I`ve mentioned before, I`m not going to argue for or against the UN decision in 1948.
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    xavroche Male 30-39
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    September 25, 2010 at 11:13 am
    @Vatroslav: I believe there`s an expression for this... something involving a pot and a kettle... I`m sure you can figure it out...
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    vatroslav Male 13-17
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    September 25, 2010 at 11:19 am
    @xavroche English isn`t my mother tongue so I don`t know every saying, didn`t understand what you tried to tell me. Let me quote you "Epic fail"

    Keep up the flame war with everyone, bye ^^
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    GuardinGnome Male 18-29
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    September 25, 2010 at 11:21 am
    Why did the Jews wander the desert for 100 years?
    Someone dropped a quarter.
    When a Jewish man with an erection walks into a wall, what breaks?
    His nose.
    I got a million of `em.
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    Robert_D Male 18-29
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    September 25, 2010 at 11:23 am
    Israel was formed in 1947 by a vote of 33 to 13 with 10 abstentions (1 abset) by the United Nations. The United Nations at the time was far less inclusive than the united nations is these days, and was weighted heavily by European and American countries who voted overwhelmingly for the plan. Opposed were Cuba, Greece, India, and every country with a predominantly muslim population. The division of the vote along religious lines is rather telling. The vote involved partitioning the land into both a Jewish state and a Palestinian state. Jerusalem would have been under UN administration (just like Berlin) while located within the arab state. The nation of Israel declared independence shortly later, and the Palestinian nation still has not come into existence.

    Personally I have my doubts as to whether the more inclusive United Nations of today would have made the same decision.

    Don`t take my word for it, look it up.
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    Robert_D Male 18-29
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    September 25, 2010 at 11:31 am
    xavroch, according to the UNSCOP 1947 report the population in the "International Territory" which was essentailly Jerusalem and some surrounding land, was 49% Jewish. There were only 608,000 Jews, or 33%, in the entire proposed Jewish, Arab, and International territories.

    The proposed Jewish state itself would have been 55% Jewish, 45% Arab and other, while the proposed Arab state would have been 99% Arab and other 1% Jewish.
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    CrakrJak Male 40-49
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    September 25, 2010 at 11:37 am
    yarrrpirate: Yeah, I`m part Indian, So are a lot Americans, Canadians, and Mexicans. So what`s you`re point ? Besides, I don`t think you Europeans would want all of us coming back, You`d fear us transforming your countries into being like America, Ha!
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    Heureux Male 40-49
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    September 25, 2010 at 12:04 pm
    "Religion is stupid. Just another reason for people to kill each other. Mass suicide of all religious people will solve 90% of the worlds problems."

    Atheism is a prejudice, nothing more, nothing less. Its consistent answer is the destruction or oppression of everyone who is not an atheist.
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    Pooptart19 Male 18-29
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    September 25, 2010 at 12:09 pm
    "Religion is stupid. Just another reason for people to kill each other. Mass suicide of all religious people will solve 90% of the worlds problems."

    Atheism is a prejudice, nothing more, nothing less. Its consistent answer is the destruction or oppression of everyone who is not an atheist.
    Heureux, both you and Luniz82 are morons, but more so you.
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    whocares3725 Male 18-29
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    September 25, 2010 at 12:20 pm
    @Heureux

    You`re a drating idiot.
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    naz2k55 Male 18-29
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    September 25, 2010 at 12:30 pm
    oooh it was promised to them 4000 years ago by an invisible man, i see why they claim it now
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    Baalthazaq Male 18-29
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    September 25, 2010 at 12:43 pm
    I once lived in a house.

    I didn`t realize until this thread that I was allowed to walk back in, against the protestations of the current inhabitants.

    I mean, so long as I`m being the good guy and offering them the opportunity to share it with me.

    Obviously, if they ever choose to leave. Ever. I`ll change the locks. That`s just common sense. It doesn`t really feel like "home" otherwise. Besides, it`s a small place, not much room for more than me... and my family.. and lodgers.

    I know what you`re thinking. What if they kick me out? Well I`m allowed to defend myself, and I have a right to exist! Who could argue against that?

    Luckily I have a couple of big friends with guns. So that`s fine even if they disagree with me.

    What if they concede and offer to let me stay there? Well, so long as I get the deed. Otherwise, no deal.

    Really Crakr? "Did the right thing"?
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    5Cats Male 50-59
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    September 25, 2010 at 1:11 pm
    Hurrah! The conversation has been mostly polite thus far :)
    Baalth, I cannot tell if you`re talking about Jews or Palestinians in your post, as in who has a right to be there and who`s an intruder.

    The (1948 UN) vote involved partitioning the land into both a Jewish state and a Palestinian state.
    EXACTLY! Everyone forgets that critical fact. Israel was the Jewish state, and JORDAN was the Palestinian one! The so-called "occupied lands" (Gaza, West Bank, Golan Heights & etc) were invaded BY ARABS in 1948 and liberated by Israel shortly thereafter.

    As for Gaza being like a "concentration camp" what pure crap! They`re free to cross their border with Egypt! No Jews there to stop them! Oh wait, Egypt built a WALL too! Because the perky Palestinians were engaged in terror and such in Egypt as well! Go figure.
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    Baalthazaq Male 18-29
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    September 25, 2010 at 1:49 pm
    As I`ve said, and you`ve seen Cat:

    The Jews were wiped out in Israel by the Byzantines who banned them from returning in the 4th until the 7th century.

    The Persians with the aid of the Jews attacked and conquered the city, and held it for a decade or two.
    Byzantines came back and wiped out and banned the Jews again.
    Islamic Caliphate took it back 638AD. Allowed Jews back in.
    1099 Fatimids killed Muslims and Jews. This was the last major Jewish settlement.
    1187 Saladin takes it back. Allows Jews back in.
    1244 Khwarezmian Tartars take it over. Jews out.
    1247 Ayyubids take it over. Jews in.
    1250-1507 Mamluks, no idea about Jews.
    Followed by Ottomans till 1900s.

    So when you say indigenous, you are lying. They haven`t been the indigenous people since the Byzantines wiped them out near a millennium ago.
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    Baalthazaq Male 18-29
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    September 25, 2010 at 1:54 pm
    As for 1948:

    "The Palestine position is this. If we deal with our commitments, there is first the general pledge to Hussein in October 1915, under which Palestine was included in the areas as to which Great Britain pledged itself that they should be Arab and independent in the future"

    - Lord Curzon under British Mandate

    There is nothing that makes Israel the liberators any more than in my example story I am liberating the house from enemies who "moved in only recently".
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    radoinc Male 18-29
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    September 25, 2010 at 2:07 pm
    @5Cats
    You`re full of poo. Jordan doesn`t have anything to do with Palestine back then. In 1948 Palestine was already a state under that name, but in control of the British.
    UN and in great matter, Truman decided to split Palestine in two (almost, in favor of jews)parts. Due to massive immigration witch begun in 19th century there were already many jews who owned some land. After the UN decision brits withdrew and only then Jordan (as a separate country from Palestine, make no mistake), along with 4 more states tried to invade Israel and failed miserably (Israel already had some well trained and armed guerrillas and militia).
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    Baalthazaq Male 18-29
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    September 25, 2010 at 2:07 pm
    Also, Cat, I can see why you`re confused.

    I included several points that could be either, and many points that only apply to it being Palestinian (nobody ever talks of the Palestinians right to exist). the changing the locks only applies to the "Right of return" Palestinians don`t have.

    The lodgers refer to the Israeli practice of claiming Israel is full while encouraging immigration.

    The "feeling like home" is a reference to Israel talking about the "keeping the Jewish nature of Israel" by keeping out and kicking out Palestinians.

    Etc.
  48. Profile photo of xavroche
    xavroche Male 30-39
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    September 25, 2010 at 2:21 pm
    @Robert: Yes, that`s true, but that`s because there was also a lot of immigration of Arabs towards the area during the early 20th century, a fact many people don`t know. A lot of people think that the region was all Arab and then that the Jews came in. Actually both Arabs and Jews massively immigrated into the area to lead to the correct numbers that you stated for the period after WWII.
    The only point that I was trying to make was that it`s incorrect to say that the Jews just suddenly turned up in the area after an absence of over a millenium, which is what someone was hinting at earlier in the thread.
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    ggolbez Male 18-29
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    September 25, 2010 at 2:32 pm
    Gotta love how they left out all the slavery, rape, and genocide done by Moses. There`s a lot of evil actions done in the bible, but at the end of the day it comes down to this:

    Did all of those early events happen? Most definitely not. There isn`t even any evidence of the egyptians every having jewish slaves. It all boils down to who`s imaginary friend is better, and who controls the most territory. But it has all culminated into just a matter of principle when it comes to terms of that spit of land.

    It`s stupid, juvenile, and I wish our race would simply go above these pointless grievances and move forward. But it won`t happen in my generation, or for any time to come.
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    Fatninja01 Male 30-39
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    September 25, 2010 at 2:40 pm
    4:50 long, should i have to wait that long!
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    xavroche Male 30-39
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    September 25, 2010 at 2:44 pm
    I think this thread is revolving way too much about whether or not a Jewish state should have been created. Imho, while the de jure legitimacy of a Jewish state in 1948 might be debatable, the de facto legitimacy of a Jewish State in 2010 is undeniable, and therefore it`s pointless to argue about the former. What I mean by that is that too many of you are getting caught up about whether or not it was right to allow Israel to be created in 1948, and whether or not the way of creating is correct. In truth this doesn`t really matter. This is like arguing whether or not France or the United States had a right to declare themselves a nation. What counts is that Israel is here, it exists, several generations were born in it and even if it didn`t have a right to be founded(which I won`t argue for or against), it now has a right to exist. At the same time, the Palestinians also have a right to have a state, one that is fully autonomous.
  52. Profile photo of xavroche
    xavroche Male 30-39
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    September 25, 2010 at 2:44 pm
    Getting caught up about whether or not Israel should have been created is counter-productive to establishing a two state solution. A two state solution means a legitimate Palistinian state but it also means a legitimate State of Israel. As such, I consider myself pro Palistianian, but unlike many, I don`t think that this equates to being anti-Israel. I don`t condone everything that the Israeli government does, in fact, I don`t condone most of what the Israeli governement does, but I don`t think that this has anything to do with being anti-Israeli. In the same way that I am an extremely vocal defender of a Palistinian state while I often oppose many of the actions carried by groups representing or domiciliated in the OPT....
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    premierwondr Male 18-29
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    September 25, 2010 at 2:50 pm
    Yea I feel really bad for the very small population living in Palestine during the 1880s and early 20th century who were NOT kicked out.
    I mean what the drat were those Jews thinking? They were only being persecuted by every country in the world?
    Where would all of those Palestinians go? Well besides the fact that they were allowed to stay and that there are about a dozen Islamic states.
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    seabass101dg Male 18-29
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    September 25, 2010 at 2:55 pm
    Why are we even talking about this video. It takes factual historical events and biblical events and mixes them to make the biblical events seem factual.
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    FuryCradle Male 18-29
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    September 25, 2010 at 3:05 pm
    well first.. Abraham had 2 sons, Isaac, and Ishmael, so part of the promised land is ours too..
    second, why moses wearing a peace pendants? turning water to blood, frogs, lice, fireballs (hails) etc isn`t quite peaceful..
    this animation has a lot of misinformation
  56. Profile photo of piperfawn
    piperfawn Male 30-39
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    September 25, 2010 at 3:18 pm
    Yes this animation don`t show reality is just a partial jews point of view. All is mixed,religion,legends,just few real facts and not all. For sure this can`t be considered as a prove to obtain any land right.
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    555geo666 Male 18-29
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    September 25, 2010 at 3:38 pm
    omg, is this the same animator as the one of Sheep in the City ?
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    jib Male 18-29
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    September 25, 2010 at 4:07 pm
    Wow this is really interesting
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    dax2009 Female 50-59
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    September 25, 2010 at 4:25 pm
    The Arab state was created at the same time the Israel state again came into existence. It was called `Trans-Jordan`. It`s still there. If there are "Palestinians" they are the Jewish people, as the Romans gave the land that name to break the will of the Jewish people. Yassar Arafat refused to call the Arabs of the area "Palastinians" until 1968, as he did not want to be confused with the Jewish population. Stole the name to start a LIE which dimwits still believe to this day. The Arabs of Palestine/Israel never had a seperate culture or identity apart from the rest of the Arabs of the region. You know, you back the wrong side in WW1 and WW2 don`t expect a lot of sympathy from me. ESPECIALLY when you continue your propaganda lies. Someone earlier was entirely correct - Arabs/Muslims don`t give a crack about the land - they only care that there are Jews living on it.
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    dax2009 Female 50-59
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    September 25, 2010 at 4:26 pm
    naz2k55 - you`re an historical illiterate. Or just plain stupid.
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    dax2009 Female 50-59
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    September 25, 2010 at 4:30 pm
    The Jews paid a lot of money to absentee Arab/Muslim landowners in the 1940`s for their property. PAID FOR THE PROPERTY which they (the Jews) did not already own. It was pretty worthless property. Most Arabs in the area started moving in when the Jews made the desert blossom with their advanced irrigation methods: they made work available.
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    5Cats Male 50-59
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    September 25, 2010 at 4:44 pm
    @radoinc, I`m full of Shinola, it`s too bad YOU don`t know sh*t from Shinola, eh?
    British Palestine
    As anyone can clearly see, there`s an area called "trans-jordan" which gets shortened to "Jordan" later on. It`s part of PALESTINE ok? This is the true homeland of the Palestinian people, but it`s run by a King who doesn`t want them.

    Thanks Baalth, I figured you were pro-Pali but didn`t want to accuse you or something, eh?
    That being said, I find fault in your "logic":
    The Jews WERE there, but got wiped out and/or forced out by the Byzantines. That`s not a `proof` that they were NOT indigenous, rather the other way around, eh?
    Anyhow I never said they were "indigenous" at least not any more so than the Arabs currently there. But not any LESS so eithe
  63. Profile photo of 5Cats
    5Cats Male 50-59
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    September 25, 2010 at 4:54 pm
    Here`s a map of Muslim countries that the Palestinians COULD move to, if their fellow Muslims were, you know, actually following Islam and taking care of their homeless bretherin.
    Map Of Islamic States
    So you can clearly see there`s no shortage of places for them to go. The true issue (as wise IABers have pointed out) is that Arabs and Muslims BOTH don`t want any JEWS in Israel. Period. Not one!
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    premierwondr Male 18-29
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    September 25, 2010 at 5:06 pm
    Dax and 5Cats get high fives
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    thecoolhair Male 30-39
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    September 25, 2010 at 5:25 pm
    THANK YOU IAB,

    TOO MUCH ANTIZIONISM ON THE INTERBUTTS!!!!!!!!!

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    xavroche Male 30-39
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    September 25, 2010 at 5:33 pm
    @5cats: Wow, what poor true understanding of the issue. First of all read up on the British Mandate before spewing garbage or posting useless links. The British mandate and the treaties surounding it involved extremely vague zones of influence and constantly redrawn and redefined borders. The treaties set up after WWI were rushed and often contradicted one another. Promises were made to both sides during this time which no modern historian or political scientist takes seriously. Anyway pulling loose and inaccurate historical facts from the interwar period to try to resolve current geopolitical issues is just plain retarded...

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    xavroche Male 30-39
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    September 25, 2010 at 5:36 pm
    The only true solution to this conflict is a two state solution. Extremists like you who either call for a destruction of the state of Israel or for removal of the palistianian populations from the OPT have constantly destroyed any chance for a two state solution and for peace. Have you ever even been to Israel or the OPT? Most of the people who live there just want peace and a chance for a future for their families. How dare you suggest that the Palistinians just need to go to some random Arab country. How would you like to someone to suggest that you and your family relocate from Canada to some other Anglophone country. The same is true for idiots who think Israel shouldn`t exist. The Israelis have made a state out of nothing, worked and died for it. It`s their`s. Now get out of your f#cking Ivory tower and stop thinking you know what people living in the middle east have to deal with and that you`re so smart with your quick and easy solutions born of extremist ideology.
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    duffytoler Male 40-49
    5195 posts
    September 25, 2010 at 6:13 pm
    Oh, I see - it was written in somebody`s old book of fairy tales. Of course! Rightfully belongs to the Jews.
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    fishgul69 Female 18-29
    914 posts
    September 25, 2010 at 7:17 pm
    thank you RELIGION!
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    Bacir Male 18-29
    13 posts
    September 25, 2010 at 7:33 pm
    Xavroche for President.
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    5Cats Male 50-59
    33090 posts
    September 25, 2010 at 8:27 pm
    WOW @xavroche! Where to begin...
    #1 my point in pointing out the origional "British Mandate" is to show how the region currently claimed by the Palestinians (aka "Israel") isn`t what they say it is, ok?
    #2 the Palestinians HAD THE TWO STATE SOLUTION in their hands and REJECTED IT. M-kay? For this we should blame Israel & the USA of course.
    #3 "ivory tower" brother I am a childcare worker. I wipe poopie bums for a living, eh? I KNOW the real world, please do NOT accuse me of that which I find highly offensive. I hold "ivory tower intellectuals" only slightly higher than pond scum. Slightly...
    pulling loose and inaccurate historical facts from the interwar period
    And what exactly do you think Hamas and other anti-semetic groups are doing? Don`t sit on the fence there brother, come down on one side or the other, eh? Or else you`ll fail when the chips fall. Revelations 3:16
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    5Cats Male 50-59
    33090 posts
    September 25, 2010 at 8:31 pm
    I only quote the Bible because I`ve had so many beers! lolz!
    But seriously, fence sitting in times which require decisive action is a BAD idea.
    Make up your mind! Choose and be counted. It is clear to me that one side has truth on their side and one side is comprised entirely of lies, hate and murder.
    Which side are you (not just xavroche, I mean everyone) on?
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    Volsunga Male 18-29
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    September 25, 2010 at 9:54 pm
    Just to point out a few lulz, In parallel stories from surrounding cultures, the myth of Abraham sacrificing his son names the angel that saved him. The name was Seth (Satan), Yahweh`s antagonist.
    The Hellenist (i.e. Greek) culture that they refused would have introduced almost modern concepts of science and philosophy. This is why Hanukkah is one of the most offensive holidays of any culture, it celebrates the concept of ignorance.
    The reason there can`t be peace in Israel/Palestine is because the leaders that control the Israeli government are apocalyptic Jews. They want to cause a war to bring about their Messiah. American Christians have the same belief, but its Jesus`s second time around for them, which is why America supports Israel. There are too many people in power that want to see a war to fulfill their religious prophecy.
    This whole situation is a clusterf*ck to say the least.
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    rakoonhat Female 30-39
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    September 25, 2010 at 9:55 pm
    temple never put it that way. it looks like something a mormon would make...they have such fun stories
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    rakoonhat Female 30-39
    654 posts
    September 25, 2010 at 10:33 pm
    holy cow that is offensive! there`s a line and you ran over it again and again...
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    Geogypsy Female 18-29
    2546 posts
    September 25, 2010 at 11:14 pm
    LOL!! Oh yes, the Maccabean revolt was an act of ignorance. Woe! If only Antiochus had explained to the Israelites that he was merely attempting to progress society instead of using fear tactics to Hellenize them, aiding a civil war and throwing a hissy fit by murdering thousands after losing the conquest with Egypt and destroying the temple he may have gotten a little more support...you think?
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    CrakrJak Male 40-49
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    September 25, 2010 at 11:26 pm
    Volsunga: Seth was the third son of Adam, Not Satan, And God himself stopped Abraham from sacrificing Isaac. Your study of the Bible is severely in error.

    ..the leaders that control the Israeli government are apocalyptic Jews. They want to cause a war to bring about their Messiah. American Christians have the same belief, but its Jesus`s second time around for them, which is why America supports Israel.

    Uhm, I don`t know where you got the hogwash that the Jews and Christians want to start a war to force the messiah to come, But it`s really screwed up and not the truth.

    Israel has already been in a few wars already and not because they seek the messiah`s coming, But to defend their country. Christian`s don`t seek a war there either.
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    dax2009 Female 50-59
    322 posts
    September 26, 2010 at 1:12 am
    Now here`s God`s prophecy about Ismael and his prodengy (Arabs/Muslims) that makes sense of the whole mess:
    Gen 16:11 And the angel of the LORD said unto her, Behold, thou with child, and shalt bear a son, and shalt call his name Ishmael; because the LORD hath heard thy affliction.
    Gen 16:12 And he will be a wild man; his hand against every man, and every man`s hand against him; and he shall dwell in the presence of all his brethren.
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    Cajun247 Male 18-29
    10742 posts
    September 26, 2010 at 1:39 am
    [quote">Muslims ... don`t want any JEWS in Israel[/quote">

    *ahem*
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    Cajun247 Male 18-29
    10742 posts
    September 26, 2010 at 1:53 am
    I shall also mention Baalthazaaq`s post.
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    xavroche Male 30-39
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    September 26, 2010 at 3:36 am
    @5cats: Yes, they rejected it in 1948. 62 Years ago... They had their reasons for doing it, it`s unfortunate, but I think it`s time to move on.
    I think your approach is specifically the problem. The fact that you are so vehemently convinced that one side is evil and one side good is dangerous and completely counter-productive. What do you hope to achieve? You accuse me of being on the fence. I accuse you of reducing this to an ideological argument that leads nowhere instead of trying to be constructive and actually trying to find a solution.
    The reason why I accused you of being in an ivory tower, and I still hold true to that partly, is that your view is extreme, unrealistic, and shows very little understanding of the realities on the ground. Saying that one side holds the truth and one side is full of lies and murder, that`s just reductionist and frankly ridiculous. Spend a couple of weeks with a couple of Jewish families in Israel and a couple of weeks with a couple of
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    xavroche Male 30-39
    819 posts
    September 26, 2010 at 3:36 am
    Palestinian families in the OPT. Maybe then you`d realize how silly your views are. Most of these people are just trying to lead ordinary lives and trying to better their situation by not being in a state of war. These people are neither saints nor demons, they have their faults but they are usually just trying to get by and find enjoyment out of life where they can.
    You`re quoting the Bible. I`m going to assume you`re Christian... The Bible isn`t a tool that`s just there for you to quote passages from when you need it. As a Christian, I`m shocked at how little some Christians can understand the Bible. Knowing the words in the Bible means nothing if you don`t understand God`s message. Clearly, by the way you talk about about the Palestinians, you need to go back and read the Bible, not just the words....
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    xavroche Male 30-39
    819 posts
    September 26, 2010 at 3:42 am
    @Volsunga: I`m not sure which holiday celebrates the concept of ignorance, but whatever it is you seem to be celebrating it everyday.
    If your post was a joke it would be pretty funny, the fact that you are serious however is a little scary.
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    CrakrJak Male 40-49
    17514 posts
    September 26, 2010 at 4:31 am
    xavroche: All it would take for peace in Palestine would be for Palestinians to be peaceful. That`s all, But they do not sincerely want peace, Their leaders won`t even accept the right of Israel to exist. Hamas` charter has the `extermination of Israel` written into it, That says it all right there.
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    Omphaloskept Male 40-49
    181 posts
    September 26, 2010 at 7:08 am
    @CrakrJak The Palestinian Arabs do want peace, they just want their homes back, too.
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    5Cats Male 50-59
    33090 posts
    September 26, 2010 at 8:02 am
    @xavroche, I`m a Deist actually, I used to be a Christian. Also thanks for being polite, I certianly appreciate it!
    I`m just making my opinions known. Perhaps people will agree, perhaps I`ll learn something new and change mine :) In the meanwhile, Arabs and Muslims both have done their best (or worst) to destroy Israel for the last 60 - 1500 years or so.

    @Omphalo - about 15 years ago, I was forced out of MY house due to economic oppression! (I sold it because I was broke, eh?) The new owners spent a ton of money & fixed it all up, so now I want it back!
    What? PAY for it? It`s MY house! I demand right of return! Also my children demand the house next door too (even though we never owned or lived there). Don`t be unreasonable, just get out of MY house(s)!
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    thestache Male 18-29
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    September 26, 2010 at 10:14 am
    @lincc297 b!tch stop spamming
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    Cajun247 Male 18-29
    10742 posts
    September 26, 2010 at 11:21 am
    @5Cats

    If you sold your house that`s NOT oppression. The Palestinians were forced out during the Arab-Israeli war.
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    SvampeBob Male 18-29
    3076 posts
    September 26, 2010 at 11:43 am
    cant get out of my head that according to the bible incest is OK
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    5Cats Male 50-59
    33090 posts
    September 26, 2010 at 12:26 pm
    I was forced by evil bankers to sell! Help help I`m being oppressed! (lolz!)

    Yes @Cajun, but they left because their leaders told them to clear out. The Arabs wanted `free fire zones` where they could fight without worrying about killing Arabic civilians. They were told they could return in a few days once victory was achieved and not only have their homes, but the properties `liberated` from the Jews too!
    Since they lost, they had to stay in the places they fled to, and their hosts (Syria, Lebanon, Jordan & etc) did NOT want them assimilating into their population. They`ve been human pawns ever since, which is sad. No one deserves to be held in camps for generations.
    Also over 200,000 Jews were kicked OUT of Jordan, do they have `right of return` as well?
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    Cajun247 Male 18-29
    10742 posts
    September 26, 2010 at 12:49 pm
    Hmm okay then. Still remember I mentioned earlier that Turkey has been most supportive of Israel since 1949.

    On another note how did the banks force you out? Harassment? Legal Harassment? Or just plain harassment?
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    5Cats Male 50-59
    33090 posts
    September 26, 2010 at 7:48 pm
    Yeah but that didn`t stop Turkey from OKing the blockade runners, eh? Anyhow, that`s one, as opposed to the 4 who`ve actively invaded, 5 who`ve financed those invasions, 1 who shot rockets (Iraq) and Iran which openly funds terrorists, and who`s president has vowed to drive the Jews into the sea...

    On the house, I joke! I did sell my houses (2) when I got divorced, and the one got fixed up really well by the new owners! Do want back! lolz!
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    Cajun247 Male 18-29
    10742 posts
    September 26, 2010 at 8:36 pm
    Blockade runners? Maybe.
    A real threat to Israel? Hardly.

    It was the IDF that brought guns to a knife fight in that incident, not the other way around.

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