2 Million Scots Feel They Need To Share This [Pic]

Submitted by: fancylad 7 years ago in Misc

The weird thing is, why would these 2 million Scots feel the need to spend the money for this billboard? Seems wasteful.
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Male 127
Thanks for the info McGoogan. We never learn stuff like that here in the States.
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Male 541
WIN
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Male 1
I`ve noticed on here that a lot of people think Scottish people wear kilts all the time and toss logs. Scottish people only wear kilts at weddings and maybe a christening. If you walk down the street pretty much anywhere in Scotland wearing a kilt, you`ll be considered a weirdo. As for the log tossing, that does happen, but only at events called the "Highland Games" which aren`t just held in the Highlands, they`re done all over the country. At these games, it`s just a way of celebrating the country`s culture and heritage, but that`s the only time it`s done.
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Male 14
@I-IS=BORED It seems to me that the way our minds function is determined by their structure and while there may be some randomness in the phenotypical expression of our DNA, it`s far more predictable than not. My point is that there is nothing moral about feeling shame for acts that hurt others or feeling good about nurturing or protecting those around us. These feelings are driven by the chemical systems programmed into our brain. The resulting behaviors that we feel driven toward will determine our success and survival in society. Historically human society has excluded (or destroyed) those who don`t express proper signs of guilt and compassion. While it may be the norm for me to feel self approval when I exhibit empathy for others I ought to recognize that my feelings are adaptive behaviors and not ascribe them to some mystical universal value system. That is unless I just like self deception.
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Male 2,419
@pensky

big hole in all your claims that our DNA determines everything, identical twins don`t have to have identical sets of morals, ethics, or personality

and don`t repost things -_-
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Male 723
5Cats, "@Lord_Jereth, gee, your posts usually make a lot of sense"

I`ll take that as the left-handed compliment that I believe it was intended as and leave it at that. Other`s have since continued my argument as admirably or better as I would have. I`m sure with the added coffee as the day progressed my statement began to make more sense for you.

Enjoy the rest of your weekend,

8-) LJ
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Male 40,772
[quote]you can`t say `your religion doesn`t fit my definition therefore you aren`t religious`[/quote]
True @I-IS-BORED but I tried very hard to not say that! lolz! I agree the Nazis professed to Christianity, so that makes them different than Stalin & Mao who enforced atheism as the state religion. I merely point out that most of the `top nazis` had weird occult beliefs as well, making them more of a cult than `mainstream Christianity` eh?
[quote]save a human`s life over 10 cats` lives[/quote]
SPECIESIST!! lolz! Also @almightybob1, leprosy is rare, but I don`t consider it precious at all... lolz!
But it`s true that without a `creator` (whomever that may be) we`re just chemical soup that accidentally evolved into humans. And cats :)
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Male 236
"pensky uses nihilism!

it`s super-effective!"
i actually lol`d
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Male 196
Isn`t this just part of the protests against the pope visiting Britain? People are pissed that millions in tax money are being spent on the visit of someone who spends his time in a palace surrounded by gold and priceless art
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Female 1,077
pensky uses nihilism!

it`s super-effective!
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Male 14
almightybob1 - While I appreciate your candor and thoughtfulness in responding I can`t help be dissatisfied by statements like "anything that is rare is precious". It is self-referential (illogical). Preciousness is not a quality of a thing but an arbitrary subjective value. It`s not based in rational thought. And when you say that "Every animal is biased towards its own species" that makes my point and more. Our bias is a behavior, based in DNA, based on the random forces that make evolution. And saying that self-awareness is "significant" (another arbitrary value) is not only self-referential but borders on the same sort of mysticism that the religionists are guilty of!
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Male 2,419
@5cats

you can`t say `your religion doesn`t fit my definition therefore you aren`t religious` otherwise your next move would be to call muslims atheists
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Female 82
Well we do on occasion enjoy wearing kilts and throwing logs but it doesn`t really define us as a people..... try throwing `drunken` and `violent` in there and your getting close ;)
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Male 2,516
I was reading the comments and I saw a couple people complaining about me saying scotts are kilt wearing, log throwing people...

I thought I was making a compliment!, really kilts are nice and log throwing speaks for itself :-D
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Male 4,290
... inherently tied to religion. They`re just labels humans have applied, like every word is.
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Male 4,290
To a degree, yes, but there are plenty of issues that we aren`t evolutionarily equipped to deal with. For example, is prostitution immoral? What about nuclear proliferation? We need to develop reasoned responses to these issues because they`ve cropped up as our civilisation has advanced, they`re not part of evolutionary behaviour.

Is the survival of our species better than any other? Yes. Every animal is biased towards its own species. I would save a human`s life over 10 cats` lives every time.
That doesn`t mean we can survive without other species though.

Life is significant, because we are self-aware enough to ask the question. Besides, anything that is rare is precious, and so far this is the only planet we know of with biological life.

I call it good and evil because we need a name for it. I could call it "socially acceptable" or "socially unacceptable" if you prefer, but it doesn`t matter. The words good and evil are not inherentl
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Male 14
almightybob1 - you make my point for me. If morals are inherent to an evolved species it is because they are just abstractions of successful evolutionary behavior. What you call good are simply behaviors that increase the likeliness of your personal survival and ability to reproduce. Its all just the programming of your DNA and DNA is just chemicals. Is the survival of our species better than any other. Or is life itself any more significant than the sterile chemical reactions that take place on mars or venus. Whats the point of calling it good or evil. Religious people weren`t given rules by a god (obviously) they made them up just like you do. Were is the important difference?
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Male 4,290
pensky - we can still have good and evil behaviour as atheists. We just define what is good and what is evil for ourselves (although in my opinion not entirely, since I believe some morals are inherent to an evolved social species), rather than a god defining it for us.
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Male 4,290
[quote]The evil stuff the Nazis did was done in the name of Nazism, not Christianity.[/quote]

This Hitler quote has been cited several times already, but apparently it wasn`t read, so once more for good luck:

"I believe today that I am acting in the sense of the Almighty Creator. By warding off the Jews I am fighting for the Lord`s work." - Adolf Hitler, 1936
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Male 14
Believing in concepts like good and evil is just as silly and self defeating as believing in a god. I find it ironic that people define themselves as atheists and then go on to congratulate themselves for being "good". All life is just the result of complex chemical interactions, on a infinitesimal scale (given the size of the universe). Look out at the stars or at the atoms in your body. Which are good, evil, better than others? Our minds and our thoughts are only the result of morally indifferent chemical reactions. Stop the farce of "good" and "evil" if you wish to the rational thinkers you claim.
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Male 40,772
@Lord_Jereth, gee, your posts usually make a lot of sense, perhaps I missed something (or need more coffee!)

Anyhow, Mao and Stalin both essentially made themselves to be "god" and demanded worship. I`d still count them as atheists.
Hitler & Co. made the Nazi Party the state`s "religion" IMO, they were Christian by name only, more like pagans in practice (believing in mystical stuff NOT approved by Christian churches, eh?). The evil stuff the Nazis did was done in the name of Nazism, not Christianity.
@Crackr, that pic of Stalin doing a faceplant on a tire, priceless! lolz!

In general humanity IS moving away from religion, and has been for some time now. Wether this is a good thing or not remains to be seen, eh?
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Male 723
Ahh, Crakr,

You`re always good for a hoot. The argument of guilt by association is, I am sure, very comforting for you, until you realize that if such an argument had any true bearing, your side would be just as guilty.

After all, Hitler was a practicing Christian and was convinced with the power of faith that the eradication of the Jews and Gypsies was a holy enterprise. Much the same goes for the KKK.

Your argument is, as usual, simply that of deflection and misdirection - and therefore, as usual, flawed. Extremist views can be had on all sides. Your`s is no better than any other. Interesting how that works, huh?

At least we skeptics, atheists, anti-theists, humanists, etc. don`t do what we do and then blame it on some invisible sky-pixie or celestial bogyman. We usually grow out of blaming our actions on invisible friends somewhere around the age of 5 or so.

8-) LJ
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Female 1,077
"Someone who believes they will be rewarded for good behaviour will never do a good deed their whole life."

THIS. THIS FOR YEARS AND YEARS AND YEARS.
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Male 78
I do good things because its morally right to do so.

Religious people do good things because they think they will be rewarded by the Super Santa in the sky.

Also, check the difference between Faith and Religion.
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Male 4,290
[quote]“Regimental” is slang for wearing one’s kilt without the benefit of underwear. The origin of the term appears to be “regimental style”, referring to Scottish Regiments in the United Kingdom army, who wear their kilts this way.[/quote]
Huh. I`ve never heard it called that, and I live in Scotland. We usually call that "going True Scotsman".
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Male 1,623
"Atheism has no rule against murder, no rule against lying, no rule against theft, nothing encouraging justice, empathy, respect"

They do, it`s called ethics. They also don`t forward their moral obligations to a fabricated being.

Someone who believes they will be rewarded for good behaviour will never do a good deed their whole life.
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Male 17
why all the fuss, i thought this post was funny :D
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Male 2,748
lol, take that christianity!!
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Female 355
"Atheism has no rule against murder, no rule against lying, no rule against theft, nothing encouraging justice, empathy, respect"

A study by the Federal Bureau of Prisons done some odd years back showed that Atheists were less likely to be incarcerated. Being a minority group this is a given, however the ratio to those in jail and those not were disproportionately low. To put it simply if 80% of the US was of Christian faith and 10% of them were Atheists. Those proportions should hold true within a reasonable variance inside of prison, where as the Christian number was at a proportionately close percentage, the Atheist number was drastically lower to where it was a point-something %.

My number`s are probably slightly off as I read it some time ago but they`re close. You don`t need a religion to have those aforementioned traits, that is why laws and loving parent`s exist.
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Male 12,138
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Male 1,834
lame
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Male 2,419
@lerie
your just wrote that on a thread about a billboard that was put up because the pope came to town and called atheists Nazis, do you see any problem with that? do you really not see where the throat shoving is coming from?
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Female 635
@lerie Most Atheists don`t. We mention it, and we`re proud of it, like you`re probably proud of your religion. There is throat-shoving happening on both sides, but most of us are all happy-dandy with each other believing whatever they want.

I honestly feel that if we can have Jesus Loves billboards, we can have There`s Probably No God billboards. We all have the option to just leave each other be, and some people will always get in your face. Life goes on.

On another note; Hell yeah, Atheist Scots.
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Male 626
I`ve been trying to be respectful, but people keep calling me immoral and likening me to Mao and Stalin.

"With or without religion, you would have good people doing good things and evil people doing evil things. But for good people to do evil things, that takes religion." – Steven Weinberg
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Male 53
@lerie: so wait... now its the atheist that arent respectful? seriously, you mean that?
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Female 1,264
Well, if you don`t want me to shove my religion down your throat, stop shoving your atheism down mine. Respect is about keeping our beliefs (either the existence of a deity or the non-existence of it) to ourselves. I respect atheists, but they are not very respectful to everyone else.
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Male 2,440
MrPeabody, try not to get so butthurt that the world is slowly figuring out that it doesn`t need your bullsh*t.
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Male 3,431
You may not need religion for guidance personally, but there is a world full of people that do.

The fact that you don`t believe in Santa, shouldn`t compel you to go forth telling the world he doesn`t exist.
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Male 626
5cats, there is a lot of debate as to how much of an atheist Mao really was.

Chinese religion is historically nothing like western religion. It was more of a series of cultural practices, for which participation was entirely voluntary.

It wasn`t until western religions started to push into China in the mid-1800s that anti-religion ideas became popular. The Taiping Rebellion sought to replace all other beliefs with Christianity with an army of 30 million. The emperor put them down, but not without help from British and French troops and over 20 million deaths.

This pretty much set the tone for everything that came after up until recently. However, Mao`s policies of wiping out religion were more than a little hypocritical, since his own writings borrow heavily from elements of Taoism, and his poetry has many references to gods, souls and heaven.

The problem isn`t that he was an atheist, it`s that he was an egotistical turd who sought power and got it.
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Male 1,920
"Another possitive sign that slowly but surely religeon as it is now is slowly but surely fading away and the human race is moving forward."

Kinda funny how the bible talks about the very thing you mention. But I suppose if God says it`s going to happen then it will.

2Th 2:1 Now we beseech you, brethren, by the coming of our Lord Jesus Christ, and by our gathering together unto him,
2Th 2:2 That ye be not soon shaken in mind, or be troubled, neither by spirit, nor by word, nor by letter as from us, as that the day of Christ is at hand.
2Th 2:3 Let no man deceive you by any means: for that day shall not come, except there come a falling away first, and that man of sin be revealed, the son of perdition;
2Th 2:4 Who opposeth and exalteth himself above all that is called God, or that is worshipped; so that he as God sitteth in the temple of God, shewing himself that he is God.

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Male 117
@CrakrJak
No not John Lennon.
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Male 2,440
[quote]Atheism is a intrinsically immoral belief. There`s little, if any evidence, that atheism fosters any sense of morality or ethics, and, the predominantly atheists societies of the 20th century broke all records for atrocities and oppression.

Atheism has no rule against murder, no rule against lying, no rule against theft, nothing encouraging justice, empathy, respect - just the refusal to believe most of humanity when they talk about their experiences.

Atheism is about ego and nothing more. If you embrace it, at least recognize the truth of it.[/quote]
Heureux, you are currently having a fail overload. Please reboot your brain.
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Male 997
The reason me and my fellow countrymen have been complaining about the pope is 79% of the population have no affinity with the pope or any wish to see him. Therefore we dont see why our tax revenues should be used to pay for his visit. especially during a recession and when every budget is getting slashed. A lot also disagree strongly with how the catholic church runs itself, so didnt want him here. And we didnt invite him a select few politicians did *cough* Gordon Brown* cough*
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Male 626
I prefer the term skeptic to atheist. I don`t ride horses either, but I don`t go around calling myself an anti-equestrian.
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Male 17,511
5Cats: Don`t forget Stalin, He was an atheist bastard too. Why do you think the Russians took down all his statues, Along with Lenin`s statues ?



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Male 1,243
Another possitive sign that slowly but surely religeon as it is now is slowly but surely fading away and the human race is moving forward.
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Male 2,419
"about how Christians are oppressing them and forcing religion in their faces."

that`s actually exactly what the billboard is there for, it`s there because the pope was in town making a speech about all atheists being nazis

but way to NOT be a dickhead :)
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Male 4,680
These are the same people who bitch and whine about how Christians are oppressing them and forcing religion in their faces.

And yes, I`m an atheist. I swear we`re not ALL dickheads.
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Male 669
cool story bro.
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Male 153
That`s quite significant considering there are only about 5 million Scots or so.... go Scotland! Home to amazing intellectual movements like the Scottish Enlightenment.
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Male 25,416
eeek!
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Male 40,772
[quote]why are atheists and Christians always the only two camps in these fights?[/quote]
Lolz @Supernova! An excellent point!
Jews tend to keep quiet about these things, being persicuted for 4000 years will do that eh?
Buddists & Hinus aren`t much into arguing with `inferiors` (those of low caste, like IABers!)
We `deists` need 500 charecters just to explain what deism IS, every single time we post, so we just let folks assume we`re Christians or something...
Our resident Muslim weighs in now and then, just for a change of pace :)
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Male 1,625
It`s pooe being scottish! I love trainspotting.
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Male 40,772
Here`s something for those who believe that atheists never harmed anyone:
Mao`s Policies Killed 45 MILLION in 4 years
And that`s just ONE of his mass murder sprees, eh?
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Male 3,819
"wow really? you fail at spelling then
oh and by your logic, i can`t spell reap without rape, lawyer without war, or Christianity`s without s h i t stain"

Arguing/insulting on the internet is pointless and stupid 99.99% of the time. Congratulations on being in the other .01% because that was f*cking amazing.
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Male 1,378
No one needs god, not in this life
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Female 51
In English at least, you really can`t spell "believe" without "lie" :P
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Male 2,419
"You can`t spell good with out God."
wow really? you fail at spelling then
oh and by your logic, i can`t spell reap without rape, lawyer without war, or Christianity`s without s h i t stain

(and those are letters, if you happen to see a word then your own mind put it there)
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Male 3,619
It`s like iab is holding a flammenwerfer and there`s nothing they like to do more than werfen some flammen >.<
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Male 2,690
Buck176 wins
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Male 7
Two things one: y`all are an easily excitable crowd, I mean dang. Two: why are atheists and Christians always the only two camps in these fights? And why is it that both refuse to just shut the heck up. :(
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Male 5,626
I wish there was something like this near my place.
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Male 378
You can`t spell good with out God. And you can`t spell Scotch without Scot. God and Scotch = two good things to have in your life.

(Haters please note I did not say religion nor which god.)
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Male 2,893
WHEEEEEEEEEEEFLAMEWAREEEEEEEEEEEEE.
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Male 762
Sorry for all the posts..

@feiku

To dive even deeper. It becomes fixated on slavery because Christians will try to back out of the fact that their bible approves of slavery and they try to say that it really says servent (when it doesnt) or that times were different and slavery was better (bullpoo) and so and so forth. Just digging a hole to rationalize an already predetermined belief rather then subject their belief to logical criticism. That is how religion works: predetermine an outcome and try to make all the piece fit rather then looking at evidence and letting that lead you to an answer.
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Male 762
@feiku

It is just the natural progression of the argument when a Christian claims to have superior morals to everyone else. And of course their moral dictator says slavery is ok, as well as a slew of other things that any rational ethical person would disagree with.
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Female 525
Hmm I like how ninja-like this "debate" turned into one about slavery and not religion
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Male 762
@Siyanor

That is where you are wrong. The majority of people that age are willfully ignorant of the fallacies of their beliefs or actively try to preserve them when they are pointed out. That is why billboards and messages like this are important.
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Male 1,184
Jeff is trolling.

No one above the age of 30 can be that ignorant.
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Male 762
@Volsunga

I was going to point out the `no true Scotsman` fallacy too, but usually that is where I end the conversation seeing as anyone who goes around claiming who is and who isn`t a Christian is so far removed from a functional conversation that relies on such things as defining terms.

But, now only after you have posted it have I seen how appropriate it really is given where the billboard is.
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Female 2,509
almightybob1


“Regimental” is slang for wearing one’s kilt without the benefit of underwear. The origin of the term appears to be “regimental style”, referring to Scottish Regiments in the United Kingdom army, who wear their kilts this way.
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Male 4,290
[quote]ok, slavery - the person was a servant, not a slave.[/quote]

You`re in denial. The Greek word doulos which was used does not have connotations of voluntary service. "Servant" is a mistranslation. It originally was translated as "slave".
All you need to do is look at the KJV translation of Exodus 21:20-21, the bit about the punishment for beating your slave to death with a rod. Those are clearly the conditions of slavery, not servitude, but it`s again mistranslated as "servant".
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Male 1,547
@JeffBeau

Epic No True Scotsman Fallacy. Lulz considering the pic`s content.
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Male 180
*ugh*
ok, slavery - the person was a servant, not a slave.

condemnation by faint praise: offering praise for today`s society invites a person to examine society and search for the praiseworthy. At least here across the ocean the search results fall more into the condemn column than the praise column. I won`t bore people with the same old list.

Anyway, thanks again. Gotta go.
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Male 762
@Volsunga

Your comment about moral relativism was very nicely put.
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Male 180
On Hitler quotes (yes, I looked at your link - thanks): Anyone can claim to be a Christian and Hitler`s actions clearly demonstrate his disingenuousness. He acknowledged Christianity in order to seduce the Church in his play for power, no more, no less. Even Shirer and Fest admit this in their less-than-friendly accounts.

Hey, not backing down, but I do have to go get lunch and meetings afterward. Thanks for the debate. I`m sure IAB will provide another opportunity sometime. Take care.
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Male 4,290
[quote]On Thomas: the evidence is provided in John 20:27 (King James Version).[/quote]
Yes, and then Jesus condemns him for seeking evidence in John 20:29, saying he should have believed without seeing. Which is my whole point - Jesus promotes belief without evidence, rather than Thomas` more intelligent behaviour.
Incidentally, it would be nice for Jesus to provide the rest of his flock with the same evidence he offered to Thomas.

Nothing to say about the perfect philosophy of slavery?

[quote]Condemnation by faint praise.[/quote]
Nope. I was praising society and condemning Jesus, not condemning Jesus through praising him. For condemnation by faint praise, both need to relate to the subject.
Don`t use phrases you don`t understand.
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Male 762
"The question "do you believe in a god" is directly implied by one`s answer to "Does a god exist""

So then, haha. Let me ask you. Do you believe in the tooth fairy? I don`t, but I guess that somehow makes my worldview self centered.
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Male 762
@JeffBeau

Very nice. I already anticipated and addressed the only point to your argument like 15 minutes ago.
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Male 180
unmercyful:

I specifically referred to the gospels of the New Testament, not the entire bible because the gospels alone are the basis for Christianity. As for Paul, he simply repeated and re-phrased Jesus` teachings.

The question "do you believe in a god" is directly implied by one`s answer to "Does a god exist", but not vice-versa. But what I was trying to impress is that atheists are self-centered, as illustrated by the language they use. Not to say that a lot of `Christians` don`t operate on selfish motives, like "well, if I follow these rules, even though I don`t really want to, I`ll get to go to Heaven".

On Thomas: the evidence is provided in John 20:27 (King James Version).

"...rather than the intellectual efforts that have got society to where it is today." Condemnation by faint praise.
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Male 1,547
@wwOOOOp

"Being a christian is tough on IAB... Im trying to stay strong. But im not telling yall atheism is wrong. I agree with everyones personal choices. Dont attack me please."

I`ll take the flamebait. Look, moral relativism is absolutely useless. It is an internally contradictory concept. Two polar opposite viewpoints can`t both be right. There is no "It`s right for them". Morality is objective, "subjective morality" is an oxymoron because you can`t make judgments on what is right or wrong. If you`re going to have an opinion, you had better learn how to defend it or change it. Stop making others think for you and learn some basic polemics.
If you have a hard time believing something, then stop believing it. Belief is not a function of your will, it is solely dependent on your reason and intellect. Pretending otherwise is doing nothing but lying to yourself and others.
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Male 67
Of course you`d mention god and the pointless religion debates start. YAY FOR INTERNET!
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Male 2,419
oh sorry, it wasn`t "one true God", just "the true God"
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Male 4,290
[quote]Hitler, Stalin, and Pohl Pot were certainly not devout deists.[/quote]

"I believe that I am acting in accordance with the will of the Almighty Creator: by defending myself against the Jew, I am fighting for the work of the Lord" - Hitler, Mein Kampf

Do these sound like the words of a deist, or an atheist?

Stalin and Pol Pot were atheists, but they committed their atrocities to further Communism, not atheism. If we`re going down that road, then we could equally attribute Hiroshima and Nagasaki to Christianity, rather than seeking an end to WWII.
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Male 129
oops seems everyone jumped on that one
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Male 129
@jeffbeau

for drats sake people hitler was a freaking christian!
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Male 2,419
Uh Jeff, Hitler thought the Christian God spoke to him, called Jesus the "One true God", claimed the Aryan race was created by God and so tainting it`s blood line was a sin. He even continued to pay his fees for being a member of a church even when he couldn`t attend mass anymore.
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Male 762
"I believe today that I am acting in the sense of the Almighty Creator. By warding off the Jews I am fighting for the Lord`s work."

[Adolph Hitler, Speech, Reichstag, 1936]

That really sounds like the ravings of someone who doesn`t believe in god. Oh wait! No it is actually a lunatic who acts on his belief in god. The same cant be said for the rest of that list. There is nothing about atheism that instructed them to commit atrocities.

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Male 762
Oh, I am sorry. I am sure you will call me out on the fact that you said NT. Let me rephrase. The NT approves of owning slaves, hating your family, whipping people and misogyny. Just off the top of my head. But even that is all made irrelevant since Jesus said to keep scripture holy, referring to the teachings of the Torah. So Jesus approves of all the other stuff.
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Male 180
Not to put words in heureux`s mouth, but some of the 20th century atrocities I think he may refer to are the slaughter of tens of millions by the Nazis, the Russian Soviet, and the Khmer Rouge. Hitler, Stalin, and Pohl Pot were certainly not devout deists.
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Male 762
@JeffBeau

If someone were to give any evidence at all of a god`s existence then asking the question of whether or not a god exists might be relevant, but no one has so you can`t. SO! the question remains whether or not you believe in a god.

And thank you for making my point. You find a perfect moral system in the bible. The same bible that approves of owning slaves, killing your children, hating your family, whipping people, rape, incest, finding joy in smashing your enemies children against rocks and all around misogyny. Good for you!
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Male 4,290
[quote]Upon serious reading of the New Testament gospels (not Paul`s writings) a thoughtful, selfless person plainly sees Christianity as a perfect philosophy for the soul of man[/quote]
Why do you rule out Paul`s writings?
Anyway: I don`t. Let me provide two examples of why not.

1) Jesus lived in a time when slavery was rife, yet never once spoke out against it. He seems very comfortable with the idea in Luke 7:2 - it would have been the perfect opportunity to condemn slavery, but he lets it pass.

2) Jesus condemns Thomas for using critical, logical thinking in John 20:24-29. Thomas seems the only intelligent critical thinker of the group by asking for evidence, but Jesus instead promotes credophilia and unquestioning acceptance rather than the intellectual efforts that have got society to where it is today.
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Male 129
people here dont understand.
i call myself athiest because i believe in the world of science not fiction.
but i spose i could call myself a christian because many of my moral choices are simular as to those taught in the bible (alot of wich is heavily influenced by bhuddism). Although i am more inclined to the utilitarian view (however whether or not i could kill a man to save 10 is still questionable).

For those who want to look into some `alternate` versions on the origin of christianinty and jesus see http://top documentary films.com/ring-of-power/ alot of this doc is bullcrap but still some of its pretty interesting.
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Male 102
I don`t get why christians cry about sin, as long as they repent, they can murder whoever they please and go to heaven. So who cares about pride?

But don`t believe in the "god" character and you burn in hell.

Makes sense.
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Male 180
Heureux: Atheism is a belief that no god or gods exist, but I don`t see how it is inherently immoral. `Morality` refers to the existence of a moral code, which the atheists customizes for himself because denial of a deity leaves a person with no other choice but to construct his code from his own egotistical desires (as you point out). Note unmercyfuldu`s self-centered definition of atheism "Do you believe in god...", not "Does God, or a god, exist?".

Deist religions suffer not from their own moral codes but from the selfish relativism practiced by their `believers`. Upon serious reading of the New Testament gospels (not Paul`s writings) a thoughtful, selfless person plainly sees Christianity as a perfect philosophy for the soul of man, but many `Christians` and most churches routinely violate Christian principles. The disgust expressed by self-professed `atheists` is generally a rejection to that hypocrisy.
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Female 3
It`s probably for the Pope being in Glasgow and Edinburgh yesterday..
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Male 6,737
Scottish athiest reporting in and all the better for not belieiving in a big dude in the sky.
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Male 129
And a billboard that demonstrates the sin of pride accomplishes what exactly?

im still yet to understand how pride is a `sin`.
well i really dont understand sin anyway, all are human creations to help us understand things that, at the time we couldnt. We can now, so why wont we let this poo go?
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Male 7,378
Jesus Died LOL
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Female 58
Being a christian is tough on IAB... Im trying to stay strong. But im not telling yall atheism is wrong. I agree with everyones personal choices. Dont attack me please.
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Male 4,290
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Female 3,574
yaaaay.
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Male 5,314
as a scot, i agree with this message
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Female 798
@almightybob1
hooray for left-handers!
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Male 4,290
[quote]Atheism has no rule against murder, no rule against lying, no rule against theft, nothing encouraging justice, empathy, respect - just the refusal to believe most of humanity when they talk about their experiences.[/quote]

Atheism has none of those because atheism is not about how to live your life. As I already said, atheists are disproportionately more law-abiding.
Looking at the natural world, there are numerous examples of social animals where killing of their own group is not acceptable. You would be hard-pushed to demonstrate that pirahnas believe in, and get morals from, God. But yet even in the midst of their feeding frenzy they never attack and eat each other.
Therefore morals like "do not murder" can be obtained evolutionarily, with no need for a God.

[quote]Atheism is about ego and nothing more. If you embrace it, at least recognize the truth of it.[/quote]

No, it`s about "do you believe in any god or gods?".
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Female 2,674
Meh.

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Male 4,290
[quote]And a billboard that demonstrates the sin of pride accomplishes what exactly?[/quote]
It`s not pride, it`s a statement of fact. I`m not particularly proud of being an atheist, just like I`m not particularly proud of being left-handed - it`s just something I am.

[quote]Atheism is a intrinsically immoral belief. There`s little, if any evidence, that atheism fosters any sense of morality or ethics[/quote]

Incorrect. Despite making up over 10% of America`s population, atheists and agnostics make up only 0.2% of the prison population. So in fact we are disproportionately more moral and ethical than believers. (I will provide sources at the end - you can`t quote and link in the same post.)

[quote]and, the predominantly atheists societies of the 20th century broke all records for atrocities and oppression.[/quote]
Which societies, and which atrocities? Are you including Hiroshima and Nagasaki? The Holocaust? 9/11?
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Male 2,419
@Heureux

No that`s just what the church says it is, Atheism is not NEEDING an invisible man in the sky who watches over you constantly to keep you from murdering people, Atheism is not NEEDING the fear of god to keep you from committing crimes. Is your opinion of people really so low that you REQUIRE fear to keep you from being a horrible person? You can`t just BE a good person for the sake of being a good person?

And when the hell did atheists cause more atrocities and oppression than all those holy wars in history and the present?
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Male 762
@Heureux

You are absolutely right. Atheism isn`t a ethical system. It tells you nothing about ethics or morality. In fact it tells you nothing. It makes no positive claim at all. Atheism is the answer to one question; Do you believe in a god or gods? And all atheism is, is the answer no.

Secular Humanism and a wide array of other ethical systems are basis of morality and ethics. Your problem is when you set out to define morality, you define it as some religious doctrine, so anything that is not your doctrine is immoral. Just like how you called pride sin and suggested it is inherently wrong. You ask bad questions and give bad answers.
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Male 235
Well said Heureux
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Female 387
Scottish humanists... *sigh*. How do they know they`re good if they haven`t got any absolute standards for it? [One of a lot more than 2 million Scots who are not good but have God]
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Male 1,054
"Perhaps they felt it necessary to pay for the billboard because they are sick of being told they have no morality without god. "

And a billboard that demonstrates the sin of pride accomplishes what exactly?

Atheism is a intrinsically immoral belief. There`s little, if any evidence, that atheism fosters any sense of morality or ethics, and, the predominantly atheists societies of the 20th century broke all records for atrocities and oppression.

Atheism has no rule against murder, no rule against lying, no rule against theft, nothing encouraging justice, empathy, respect - just the refusal to believe most of humanity when they talk about their experiences.

Atheism is about ego and nothing more. If you embrace it, at least recognize the truth of it.
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Male 190
It`s not wasteful if you know even one annoying Christian`
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Male 2,419
@AJ

he quoted genesis, Christians DO include genesis
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Male 762
@Rick_S

So the god of the old testament and new testament are different? Jesus is not the son of Yaweh?

If it is the same god then apparently he isn`t as powerful as you say he is. He must get confused a lot and change his mind. Either eating kosher is a commandment from god or it isn`t? Why is your god always changing his mind? Doesn`t sound like the decisions of a perfect god to me...
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Male 9,305
"another religious post, and so everyone needs to comment--again--on the same views they talked about on the last religious post. wow... "

And it`s all forgotten tomorrow with the next Maru-chan post or man smashing his nuts.

Keep watchin` kids! :D
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Male 2,004
could we just stop arguing, you believe in god we don`t stfu or gtfo
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Female 1,181
another religious post, and so everyone needs to comment--again--on the same views they talked about on the last religious post. wow...
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Male 4,290
[quote]1) Not all of the Old Test is the Torah. The Torah is only the first part of it.[/quote]
But the Torah is not the only part of the Jewish Bible. There are 24 books considered Tanakh ("canon") - 5 books in the Torah, 8 in Prophets and 11 in Writings.

[quote]2) No, for the most part, the laws laid down in the Old Test don`t apply to Christians. It is, however, a good guide by which to live your life. So, for example, you still shouldn`t kill anyone, but it`s OK to not be Kosher.[/quote]
And it`s not OK to do gay stuff, but it`s OK to talk to a woman while she`s on her period or sow fields with different crops. I`m familiar with the rationalisations and the arbitrary distinctions between what`s suddenly fine and what`s not.

All I quoted was some good old-fashioned Biblical incest (which God later decides isn`t OK after all - can a source of ultimate morality change its mind?), but AJ says it`s inadmissible for being in the OT.
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Male 4,290
[quote]Oh no. No. No. You don`t get to choose your tartan, sonny jim. If it`s got pink fairies dancing around a giant bell end but it belongs to your clan, tough pooe. You may as well sleep with another man`s wife....
Actually....[/quote]

I know I can`t change my clan tartan, and I would never wear one belonging to another clan. But you can wear tartans that aren`t associated with any clan, Black Watch being the most popular and obvious example. So I chose a neutral, modern one that I like for my (very expensive) kilt, instead of bowing to obligation and getting one I didn`t really like.
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Male 762
Perhaps they felt it necessary to pay for the billboard because they are sick of being told they have no morality without god. Some public enlightenment. Perhaps they are sick of the fact that there is no separation between church and state in their country. Perhaps they felt it necessary because no one ever questions theists when they sink millions of dollars into advertisements.
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Male 260
Does anyone know if this is in Glasgow? If it is, I`m going on mission to find it :P
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Male 258
"Modern. I traced back my family tartan and it`s not very nice, but I didn`t want something generic like Black Watch, so I went for Grey Thistle. "

Oh no. No. No. You don`t get to choose your tartan, sonny jim. If it`s got pink fairies dancing around a giant bell end but it belongs to your clan, tough pooe. You may as well sleep with another man`s wife....
Actually....
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Male 3,332
"`I love it when people cite the old testament against Christians.

That`s the JEWISH bible ffs!`
So it doesn`t apply?"

1) Not all of the Old Test is the Torah. The Torah is only the first part of it.

2) No, for the most part, the laws laid down in the Old Test don`t apply to Christians. It is, however, a good guide by which to live your life. So, for example, you still shouldn`t kill anyone, but it`s OK to not be Kosher.
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Male 71
@sumRandom1

I thought the same thing too, I even went as far to think "The name Scott is spelled with two T`s, not one."

Then I *facepalm*
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Male 3,332
Follow the link on the billboard, and you`ll see why they spent the money on it. It`s about accurately reporting your faith (or lack there of) on the Census.
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Male 4,290
"regimental?"

Modern. I traced back my family tartan and it`s not very nice, but I didn`t want something generic like Black Watch, so I went for Grey Thistle.

"I love it when people cite the old testament against Christians.

That`s the JEWISH bible ffs!"
So it doesn`t apply?
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Male 10,338
I love it when people cite the old testament against Christians.

That`s the JEWISH bible ffs!
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Female 2,509

"I am wearing a kilt right now."

regimental?
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Male 6,693
Wonder how much a billboard costs.
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Male 794
lol for some reason when i read the post, i was like who gives the right for Scots to post such a billboard, what about two million Mikes and Bobs and Johns that are atheist too lol
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Male 4,290
[quote]yes because we all wear kilts and run around throwing logs over here. as if.[/quote]
Sshh!! Tourism is one of our biggest industries here in Scotland, don`t sabotage it!

*ahem*
I am wearing a kilt right now.
>.>
<.<
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Male 257
maybe we are trying to make up for our calvinist history (or maybe we were pissed at the time & thought it was a laugh)
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Male 385
Please refer to last post.
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Male 4,290
[quote]You guys said yours now I will say mine. [/quote]

Our turn again.
Genesis 19:36 - "So both of Lot`s daughters became pregnant by their father."
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Male 1
yes because we all wear kilts and run around throwing logs over here. as if. that billboard is aimed at all the brainwashed religious fanatics who try and shove there beliefs down our throats everyday. Alba Gu Brath!
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Male 2,424
Cool! This flame thread could get to 10 pages me thinks
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Male 290
It may be wasteful, but the Pope was there yesterday... I guess it seemed like a good opportunity
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Male 5,167
This bilboard is done in occasion of pope trip in Great Britain.
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Male 871
once again proud to be a Scotsman!
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Male 385
You guys said yours now I will say mine.

"Now concerning the coming of our Lord Jesus Christ and our being assembled to meet him ... Let no one deceive you in any way; for that day will not come, unless the rebellion [in the original greek: apostasy - `great falling away`] comes first, and the lawless [one] is revealed, the son of perdition..." 2Thess 2:1,3
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Male 4,290
Gonna go out on a limb and say this is connected to the Pope visiting Scotland (and the rest of the UK) yesterday, for 4 days.

Fun fact - he compared atheists to Nazis in his big speech in Edinburgh. Clearly the man has never read Mein Kampf, where Hitler writes:

"The folkish-minded man, in particular, has the sacred duty, each in his own denomination, of making people stop just talking superficially of God`s will, and actually fulfill God`s will, and not let God`s word be desecrated. For God`s will gave men their form, their essence and their abilities. Anyone who destroys His work is declaring war on the Lord`s creation, the divine will."

Definitely not the words of an atheist.
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Female 93
believing in god is like believing in the easter bunny.
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Female 9,572
See what happens when you get drunk kids? Atheists steal your money and create billboards making fun of you.
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Male 2,516
they spent the money because they want people to know: "hey, there are at least 2 million kilt wearing, log throwing men and women who don`t care about god. No god has no consequences"
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Male 42
why would the rest of the christians feel the need to spend the money to build churches?
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Male 496
Before anyone gets "offended" this is a big finger to all the religious groups that accost us in the street, and post on billboards about stuff but get upset when we say its offensive to our beliefs (or lack of)
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Female 157
Because everyone likes to preach their ideas, that`s why they say it.
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Male 4,745
We need more of this. If more Atheists came out of the closet and admitted they were here, it would help show others that they weren`t alone.

Fight the good fight and help end the crushing rule of the church!
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Male 4,593
Scotland is now one of my favorite countries.
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Male 20,920
Link: 2 Million Scots Feel They Need To Share This [Pic] [Rate Link] - The weird thing is, why would these 2 million Scots feel the need to spend the money for this billboard? Seems wasteful.
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