U.S. Soldiers - 2009 [Pic]

Submitted by: fancylad 7 years ago in Misc

A pretty depressing stat, no matter how you look at it.
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Female 130
thank you seabass101dg
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Male 7,378
CJ, over the years you`ve made every excuse you could for the monumental failures of the Bush administration. Conversely you`ve blamed Obama for everything from the financial meltdown to the oil spill. How do you expect anyone to take you seriously when you`re so untruthful with yourself?
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Male 999
idiots.
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Male 478
The suicide rate among enlisted personal is identical to the suicide rate among the general population of the US. This sign is pointless.
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Male 1,184
I was ready to stop a long time ago, davy. It`s Altaru that consistently insists on calling me an idiot because he can`t read my posts.
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Male 3,482
[quote]BTW, you also still have no idea what I said, evident by you not once countering it, and yet believing that you were arguing against it.[/quote]
I never argued against ANY of your points, because you never HAD a point.

That`s another reason it wasn`t a debate, BTW.

And Davy, with this, I`m through.

[quote]Please, just asking you to consider the other members of the IAB community that might not be interested in your diatribe at each other.[/quote]
Although, I`m sure we provided a source of entertainment to more than a few watchers, lol. Somebody somewhere will get a kick out of it, no matter what it is.

Honestly, depressing post turns into massive flame war filled with obscenities and insults over one person`s inability to "get it"...

I`m gonna go back and read this from a third-party POV. It might be more entertaining that most of the crap I`ve done tonight...
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Male 12,138
Look, I hate to play "dad" here, but Siyanor and Altaru, can I politely ask that you knock off this back-and-forth arguing about something several pages ago? It`s off-topic name-slinging now, and as much as I like both of you guys, you HAVE kinda hijacked this whole thread.

Please, just asking you to consider the other members of the IAB community that might not be interested in your diatribe at each other. Suggest you take it to IM or email or somesuch, but please stop spamming up this board...

Meant with sincerity and respect - please stop!
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Male 40,277
Hey @Altaru, I`m not meaning to be like `pointless` here VV I`m just clearing up a possible misunderstanding, eh?
I do know more about WW2 than madest imagines HE knows, lolz!
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Male 1,184
"You were just trying to prove me wrong by desperately arguing semantics"

No. The point of the semantic argument was to DETERMINE WHAT THE HELL YOU WERE SAYING. I can`t prove you wrong until I know what your point is. Now that I know your point is completely obvious, there is no reason to argue about it. Which also means that YOU are the one with a pointless argument, not me.

BTW, you also still have no idea what I said, evident by you not once countering it, and yet believing that you were arguing against it.

Until you actually read my posts in their entirety (and take them literally, because they are ALL meant to be taken literally) you will do nothing but prove yourself wrong every single time you attempt to argue with me.

I may be ignorant, but you are stupid. Which, IMO, is far worse.
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Male 40,277
I SERIOUSLY hope you`re just trolling, and that you actually realize that it was an invasion of a NAZI CONTROLLED France...

Nazis? Who are they? Relatives of the Smurfs??

But seriously, you missed my mention of IRONY there.
See, Japan attacked USA, and they (eventually) invaded France, just like whats-his-stupid posted, eh?
So AQ attacks USA, and they invade... Iraq. Why is this relevant? GLAD you asked!

Japan and Germany weren`t allies the same way Italy and Germany were. BUT both were on the same `side` in the war.
AQ and Saddam weren`t "formal allies" either, in fact they didn`t much like each other. BUT Saddam WAS a big supporter of international terrorism, mostly those opposed to Iran, Israel and the USA.
SO it follows that if you`re fighting INTERNATIONAL TERRORISM, or the Nazis, you also attack their friends and supporters. Remember that Russia and Britian INVADED Persia because they were too friendly to the Nazis.
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Male 40,277
[quote]George W. Bush never said "mission accomplished" He merely stood beneath a giant banner that said that... Instead his exact words were: Thank you. Thank you all very much. Admiral Kelly, Captain Card, officers and sailors of the USS Abraham Lincoln, my fellow Americans, major combat operations in Iraq have ended. In the battle of Iraq, the United States and our allies have prevailed!

...and 7 years later here we are.[/quote]
@madest, you DO know that you just proved MY point? What part of MAJOR COMBAT OPERATIONS do you FAIL to understand? Dear Ghod! You can`t even troll properly anymore! lolz!
Did Mr Bush MAKE the banner? Does the "mission" mentioned on the banner mean THE WHOLE WAR in IRAQ?
ps: the answer to both questions is NO, DUH!
Lolz, this is a new low of teh stupid for you madest.
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Male 3,482
Also, see THIS:

[quote]As in, look into every meaning of what the person says, then choose the one that fits the context.[/quote]
Christ, you`re retarded... I bet the kids on the short bus make fun of you for being so stupid... Or maybe they hang out with you? I bet it would make them seem smarter by comparison...
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Male 3,482
[quote]When two people state their opinions and their support for those opinions, that is called a debate.[/quote]
It was not a debate. It was an ARGUMENT. In a debate, both sides have respectable opinions and have facts and reasoning to support those opinions. You had no respectable opinion. You were just trying to prove me wrong by desperately arguing semantics and other stupid crap. And you failed.

And while mudslinging may be common, name-calling is much less so. Like me calling you retarded, no matter how true it is. That should have been first clue that I didn`t consider this a debate.

[quote]I guess I`ll just assume that you mean the exact opposite of what you say every time you post something, since you "of all people" clearly are never being literal.[/quote]
Well then, you, sir, are the most amazingly intelligent individual I have ever had the pleasure to debate with over the internet.
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Male 1,184
SFunk, I am not a troll. Trolling means intentionally annoying someone. Whether or not Altaru is actually annoyed is irrelevant to my intentions.
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Male 68
woah, hardcore troll is hardcore, bravo Siyanor
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Male 1,184
When two people state their opinions and their support for those opinions, that is called a debate. I don`t know what you call it, but most people call it a debate. Or were you being sarcastic about it not being a debate?

Also, you didn`t point out a single one of those things, and only one of them matters at all, the last one. Unless, of course, you weren`t being literal.

I guess I`ll just assume that you mean the exact opposite of what you say every time you post something, since you "of all people" clearly are never being literal.
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Male 3,482
Argh... Why do I keep doing this...

[quote]Altaru, it`s a DEBATE.[/quote]
Since when was this a DEBATE?

Why was I not informed of this being a debate?

This was me pointing out the fact that you`re an idiot for honestly thinking that no one you know could possibly be a soldier, that not every soldier is the horrible human being you make them out to be, and that your hatred of soldiers is going to get in the way of real-life interaction at some point in the future.

You just kept trying to discredit my point by arguing semantics and BS, and revealing that you`re even MORE of an idiot for taking everything I (ME, of all people) said literally.

On top of that... If this were a DEBATE, I wouldn`t have been calling you retarded the whole time.
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Male 312
I laughed and it`s not depressing
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Male 1,184
Altaru, it`s a DEBATE. You do not EVER say anything not literal during a debate. That just makes you look retarded...which you are anyway, so I guess it fits.
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Male 3,482
[quote]Yes, I am reading it literally. If you weren`t being literal, you should have indicated that. It`s natural to assume people mean what they type.[/quote]
Soo... Let me guess, you never get typed sexual innuendos, because on the internet everything everyone types is literal unless they say so?

It`s the internet. Just because it`s typed, doesn`t mean that you shouldn`t take it the same way you would take normal speech. As in, look into every meaning of what the person says, then choose the one that fits the context.

There, that`s your internet lesson for the day. Whether it sinks in through your thick skull, I don`t know, but I`m done here. I have a DoW skirmish match to finish...
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Male 1,184
Yes, I am reading it literally. If you weren`t being literal, you should have indicated that. It`s natural to assume people mean what they type.

It is not necessary for me to know everything about someone to know whether that person is a soldier or not. I could, you know, ask that person.

So: There is a chance that someone I know is a soldier.

Am I within 5 feet of those people?

No. I am not.

Will I ever be within 5 of those people while they are on active duty?

No. I will not.
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Male 3,482
((Damn character limit fail...))

It`s like saying "most perfect," or "more curious."

It`s either major, or it`s not.

It`s not "more major" than something else, and it`s not the "most major."
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Male 3,482
[quote]That isn`t even the most major difference. You have definitely proven yourself to be retarded.[/quote]
*facepalm*

You`re still arguing semantics, and still failing.

If THAT`S your argument...

A) By "the people around you" I didn`t mean the people near you. I meant people you associate with. The people you know, the people in your social circle. Obviously you`ve been so disconnected from the English language for so long that you take everything by it`s literal meaning.

B) So you know EVERYTHING about EVERYONE you know? I sure as hell wouldn`t want to be your friend, even if you weren`t a moron. You sound like a f*cking stalker...

And since your arguing semantics, I`m gonna argue grammar. "Most major" is not how you use that adjective. Major is not an adjective that you can strengthen using "most," "more," or an ending.

Major, as an adjective, is already at it`s strongest form. It`s l
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Male 1,184
That isn`t even the most major difference. You have definitely proven yourself to be retarded.

You seriously, SERIOUSLY think that I know everyone who is around me? Really? REALLY?

That is just pure idiocy.

It`s extremely obvious that there could be soldiers around me. There is NO CHANCE AT ALL that I know them.
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Male 3,482
[quote]Both statements mean the EXACT SAME THING.[/quote]
Actually, you know what, because I know you`re going to point it out...

They don`t mean the EXACT same thing. One means that you LIKELY know a soldier without realizing it. The other means that you COULD know a soldier without realizing it.

I know, it`s such a HUGE difference. I`m sure your tiny brain could barely comprehend it, and that`s why you got confused, right?

Now, I stand by the end of my last post. With the exception of the fact that I just learned I`m all out of Venom, so I guess it`ll have to be a Mountain Dew...
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Male 3,482
Have you seriously reached the point where you`re going to argue semantics?

You`re pathetic, and trying to find some way to save whatever semblance of intelligence you have left.

Both statements mean the EXACT SAME THING. That people you know could be soldiers, without you even realizing it.

You`re a moron.

/argument.

I`m going to go drink a Venom, blast some Gackt, play some Dawn of War, and try to forget that people as sad as you exist...
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Male 1,184
The statements "Chances are, you`ve known (and maybe even been friends of a sort with!) people who were soldiers and didn`t even realize it."

and

"WHETHER YOU REALIZE I OR NOT, SOME OF THE PEOPLE AROUND YOU, YOUR FRIENDS, COWORKERS, ETC., COULD BE SOLDIERS."

are vastly different.

If you can`t see the difference, you are quite certainly retarded.
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Male 3,482
[quote]Oh, well, I assumed your point wasn`t completely obvious to everyone, so I naturally assumed that that couldn`t be your point.[/quote]
What the hell were you assuming my point was? I CLEARLY stated my point in my second post directed at you. See THIS QUOTE:
[quote]Chances are, you`ve known (and maybe even been friends of a sort with!) people who were soldiers and didn`t even realize it.[/quote]
No, seriously, what the hell were you taking away from this?

[quote]Also, the answers to both your questions are completely obvious, so I won`t bother to state them.[/quote]
I don`t need your answers. I have all the answers I need in knowing that you`re retarded, because that`s PAINFULLY obvious...
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Male 224
Wow...thats, thats just discouraging. Although if you think of it from the enemies viewpoint its a rather successful year, they didn`t need to do any of the work. At this rate our military will kill itself off before they accomplish anything productive in the middle east. And they had the galls to refuse me because of possession charges, at least im not mentally unstable and wouldn`t kill myself because I understand that the military = tough sh*t and if you can`t cope with the loss of your buddies or being shot at maybe you shouldn`t of joined in the first place. I`m not trying to dog on the military or the brave souls who serve but suicide is the most cowardly thing to ever do.
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Male 1,184
Oh, well, I assumed your point wasn`t completely obvious to everyone, so I naturally assumed that that couldn`t be your point.

Perhaps you should be Captain Obvious.

Also, the answers to both your questions are completely obvious, so I won`t bother to state them.
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Male 63
This wall needs to post its sources
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Male 17,512
Altaru: Thank You for your honesty. :-)
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Male 17,512
"The battle of Iraq is one victory in a war on terror that started on September 11th 2001 and still goes on." George W. Bush

Video of the 2nd part of the `Mission Accomplished` speach Quote starts at 1:15 min.

It`s clear Bush was not saying the war on terror was over, He also clearly states later that the Saddam Hussein regime had came to an end (Thus part of the mission was accomplished).
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Male 3,482
[quote]I see you didnt check the other comments as i stated, where Eldavo called you retarded, which is where my comment was directed to.[/quote]
Yeah, I wouldn`t normally be on Crakr`s side, but he`s right. You`re lying to cover your own f*ck-up, `cause I saw the comment too, and you quoted ME. In fact, you only deleted it after I replied stating that I was talking to Siyanor.

If you`d at least own up to making the mistake, you wouldn`t sound like a lying sack-o`-sh*t.

Again, I`m not on Crakr`s side, I just call `em as I see `em.

And I`m calling you out on this one.

[quote]D-Day? Remember? Invading FRANCE???[/quote]
I SERIOUSLY hope you`re just trolling, and that you actually realize that it was an invasion of a NAZI CONTROLLED France...
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Male 17,512
madest: No, You stated [quote]"He (Bush) didn`t want to know."[/quote] In response to my assertion that there is no evidence that Bush lied.

Not `wanting to know` and `lying` are two different things. How can anyone lie about something they do not know about ? That makes about as much sense as `nuking the fridge`.
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Male 17,512
IamBored29: Now you are just outright lying. You deleted your idiotic comment and are now trying to say you were addressing eldavo and not Altaru.

If you had any shred of self respect you would own up to your deleted comment and apologize, Instead you cover up, lie, and lie again to cover your previous lie.

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Male 7,378
George W. Bush never said "mission accomplished" He merely stood beneath a giant banner that said that... Instead his exact words were: [quote] Thank you. Thank you all very much. Admiral Kelly, Captain Card, officers and sailors of the USS Abraham Lincoln, my fellow Americans, major combat operations in Iraq have ended. In the battle of Iraq, the United States and our allies have prevailed! [/quote]
...and 7 years later here we are.
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Male 1,455
"What, is that comedy? lolz! Because I sure laughed. D-Day? Remember? Invading FRANCE??? "

Invading a completely irrelevant country in response to an attack on home soil? Seems pretty accurate to me.
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Male 1,455
I agree with madest. And if I can agree with madest, you know something`s up.
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Male 40,277
[quote]The Repubs tried to impeach Clinton cause he got a blowjob from an intern. -davymid[/quote]
He then tried to COVER IT UP using the powers of THE OFFICE OF THE PRESIDENT to do so. You know, just like Nixon? The initial crime was no biggie, the coverup IS.
And he committed purgery, which he admitted to! Which is a felony and thus disqualifies him from being president.
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Male 40,277
[quote]It would be like if we invaded France after Pearl Harbor.[/quote]
What, is that comedy? lolz! Because I sure laughed. D-Day? Remember? Invading FRANCE???

Oy vey, he wasn`t being ironic! Teh horrorz!
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Male 40,277
[quote]He said "mission complete" and we`ve been there more than twice as long since then[/quote]
ElDavo you just swallowed that hook line & sinker eh??
He said `mission complete` about THE COMBAT PHASE of Desert Storm. VERY specificly. He then went on to describe the long struggle ahead to win the hearts & minds of the Iraqi people to truely end this war & etc.
You just believe everything the MSM tells you eh? Go look at the actual video, it`s there plain as day.
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Male 7,378
No. I`m not backing off anything. I said Bush lied about the reasons for war. How about you point out where he was truthful. He sold this thing to the unintelligent rednecks of the midwest that Saddam was a threat to us?! The world is not a better place than before Saddam. Over a 100k dead going after this 2-bit dictator. Waste of resources, time, money and mostly life. He`s shouldn`t be worthy of anyones support.
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Male 648
@mcfudge

"You guys are all idiots"

"Silly...Yes, Idiotic...Yes." - Adam West
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Male 537
You guys are all idiots... go out and actually speak your minds, instead of being lazy and yelling at people on the internet.
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Male 648
ElDavo
Male, 18-29, Eastern US

"but Crakr is just retarded."

To which I replied

"He`s not retarded, he`s just one of those people who shuts his eyes, plugs his ears and just repeats the same things over and over with no intention of listening to any arguement to the contrary."

Since your too lazy, or too embarrased to go back and find it yourself. Sorry CJ, but just because someone uses the term retarded, doesnt ALWAYS mean You. ;)
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Male 648
@CrakrJak

"You sir are a liar, a cover up artist, and have no integrity whatsoever."

I see you didnt check the other comments as i stated, where Eldavo called you retarded, which is where my comment was directed to. But its ok, we all know you have issues admitting your wrong. I accept your apology.
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Male 17,512
madest: So now you are backing off your earlier statement of "Bush lied and people died" ?

Now it`s "He (Bush) didn`t want to know." ?

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Male 7,378
[quote]As I said before, If there had been ANY evidence of what you said earlier. That Bush knew Saddam didn`t have WMDs and lied about it, The democrats would`ve at least attempted to impeach him.[/quote]
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That`s the point. He didn`t want to know. He wasn`t interested in facts he wanted his cheer leaders to cheer his plan on. They cherry picked intelligence that potrayed a message that was positive to what he was selling. We went to war based on one informant they called 8-ball and that preeminent douche face Chalabi who was on the CIA`s payroll. So please tell us again how great Bush was and how much better the world w/o Saddam is...
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Male 247
I wonder who painted those stats, and where they got that information. Has it been verified? Is it accurate?
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Male 17,512
IamBored29: I see you deleted your response to Altaru about his comment "If he`s not retarded, then he`s completely oblivious. Or both. And I suffer from an absolute lack of patience with oblivious people..." (Which was not directed at me)

You sir are a liar, a cover up artist, and have no integrity whatsoever.
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Male 648
@CrakrJak

"It goes to show that you don`t actually read the comments but rather skim through them and add your own bias."

Go ahead and read my comment and then scroll on...i was talking to ElDavo...ouch, you look foolish. Try actually reading the comments instead of skimming and adding your bias. ;) Troll on CrakrJak, Troll on.
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Female 854
Well...not how I wanted to start my morning off.
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Male 10,338
"The Repubs tried to impeach Clinton cause he got a blowjob from an intern."

I have np problem with Clinton getting a hummer. Powerful men need stress relievers lol.

What I do have a problem with is lying under oath. He was impeached for perjury, not getting a blow job.
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Male 17,512
IamBored29: You so utterly fail. You assumed Altaru was talking about me, When in actuality he was talking about prejudiced liberal. It goes to show that you don`t actually read the comments but rather skim through them and add your own bias.

Altaru: My father is a Vietnam vet, He doesn`t advertise that fact unless he`s out riding his motorcycle with other vets. I can confirm that most of the people my dad ever worked with never knew he`s a vet. Vietnam vets were labeled `unstable`,`postal`,`crazy`, and worse. I hope to
God our country has sense enough not to put our most recent Iraq and Afghanistan vets through the same hell.

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Male 3,482
On top of that...

[quote]Ok, Altaru, perhaps every negative conception of a soldier I have is completely wrong.

But you know what? Until I KNOW they`re all completely wrong, I do not want to be within 5 feet of one.[/quote]
How would it be possible for a soldier to prove all of your thoughts wrong if you won`t even take the chance and get to know one?

Isn`t that called a prejudice by some? It`s no better than racism, sexism, and all those other stupid "-isms". What you`re doing in this, is judging ALL soldiers, by the few bad ones you think you know.
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Male 3,482
My mom didn`t realize that her friend from work was a reserve who had served until he got called away. In other words, it`s not like they go around showing off their battle scars. Most are completely normal people, like you and me, the only difference being they can be called away to serve at any minute. And you wouldn`t know they were soldiers until that happened.

And Siyanor, WHAT DIFFERENCE DOES IT MAKE WHETHER HE WAS ACTIVE OR RESERVE?! You said, and I quote:

[quote]Until I KNOW they`re all completely wrong, I do not want to be within 5 feet of one.[/quote]

Maybe if you could organize your thoughts and get your head out of your ass, you`d see my point instead of staring blankly at a screen reading words clearly too large for your underdeveloped brain to understand...
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Male 3,482
[quote]altaru i was really agreeing with you, no need to end it by calling names. i`m just tossing that out there.[/quote]
The thing is, this isn`t the first time I`ve been in an argument with him, and his complete and utter lack of ability to see the point has always pissed me off, right from the start.

If he`s not retarded, then he`s completely oblivious. Or both. And I suffer from an absolute lack of patience with oblivious people...

And since it`s not 4 in the morning now, I figure I`ll spell out my point for those too stupid to get it themselves:

WHETHER YOU REALIZE I OR NOT, SOME OF THE PEOPLE AROUND YOU, YOUR FRIENDS, COWORKERS, ETC., COULD BE SOLDIERS.
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Male 17,512
davymid: As I said before, If there had been ANY evidence of what you said earlier. That Bush knew Saddam didn`t have WMDs and lied about it, The democrats would`ve at least attempted to impeach him.

What happened is that a bunch of `journolists` colluded together to paint GW Bush as a liar to further their liberal political agenda. They had no proof, But that didn`t matter. They could in concert keep telling the same lie until they got a majority of people to believe it.

These same people colluded to bury the Rev. Wright story and outright lie about Sarah Palin.
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Male 648
"davy: I like your style. I was here when people were using logic, but Crakr is just retarded."

He`s not retarded, he`s just one of those people who shuts his eyes, plugs his ears and just repeats the same things over and over with no intention of listening to any arguement to the contrary. He`ll never disagree with the Republican party or any conservative ideal.

To the point of the pic, its blatantly obvious this country does and has done a sh*t job of taking care of our troops mental health...goes back to Vietnam and probably before.
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Male 17,512
ElDavo: The actual `War` against Saddam and the remnants of his army was over very quickly. The mission of deposing Saddam was accomplished. The second mission of keeping the peace is ongoing.

America, France, And the UK kept forces in West Germany for decades after WWII, But people want to complain about a few years spent keeping Iraq stable.
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Male 2,893
God, I`m never even going to think about joining the Army.
Those guys have it the worst out of all of them.......
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Female 1,077
altaru i was really agreeing with you, no need to end it by calling names. i`m just tossing that out there.
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Male 554
And yet they keep signing up in droves, WTF is with that!
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Female 149
:`(
that`s just very, very sad to see...
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Male 1,184
Then I have no clue what your point is. Perhaps you should state it. Or just do as you were going to do and stop trying to deal with me.
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Male 3,482
[quote]Altaru, since when is a reserve soldier an active soldier?[/quote]
That`s not the f*cking point here...

God, you know what, I`m through dealing with you. You`re just a f*cking retard...
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Male 1,184
Altaru, since when is a reserve soldier an active soldier?

That`s why I tend to avoid everyone over the age of 25 for the first 3-4 weeks of me knowing that person.
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Male 3,482
[quote]Actually, there`s precisely zero chance that I know an active soldier.[/quote]
You never know. Like I said, it`s not like they go running and announcing it in the streets.

For most, it`s more of a quiet pride kind of thing. And you would never realize until they get called away for something.

My mum didn`t realize one of her friends and coworkers was a reserve `til he was called to serve a tour in Iraq. So, keep that in mind if you ever get a job in the real world, too. Since you`re so anti-soldier, you`d better try to avoid making any work-place friends...
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Male 1,184
Actually, there`s precisely zero chance that I know an active soldier. There is a 100% chance that I know 1 ex-soldier who was drafted, absolutely hated being a soldier, and developed rather extreme paranoia as a result of the war.
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Male 3,482
[quote]But you know what? Until I KNOW they`re all completely wrong, I do not want to be within 5 feet of one.[/quote]
Chances are, you`ve known (and maybe even been friends of a sort with!) people who were soldiers and didn`t even realize it.

It`s not like they all go around screaming "I WAS A SOLDIER! I KILLED PEOPLE! I NEARLY GOT KILLED!"
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Male 1,184
Ok, Altaru, perhaps every negative conception of a soldier I have is completely wrong.

But you know what? Until I KNOW they`re all completely wrong, I do not want to be within 5 feet of one.
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Male 3,482
@IchBinErica

If we just left now, then the end result of the resulting sh*tstorm would be ANOTHER dictatorship, this one probably run by the terrorists, and even more strongly anti-US.

In other words, if we leave now... We`ll regret it later. And it probably wouldn`t just be a few buildings that time...

Not only that, but in terms of reputation:

A) We`d catch even more hell for leaving a country in serious turmoil and letting it be taken over. (At which point, someone should bring up what happened to many places when European imperialism ended...)

B) American morale would PLUMMET because we couldn`t beat a bunch of camel jockeys with outdated and improvised weaponry, while we have TANKS, HUMVEES, MINIGUNS, and all manner of other high-tech, highly powerful weaponry...
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Female 200
I really don`t understand why we can`t just end this whole thing right now and let the Iraqi`s fend for themselves. I know there would be violence and killing galore, but OH WELL; Sometimes you need to use tough love. They would work things out eventually.
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Male 3,482
[quote]Are you implying that whoever told me that was a complete liar? Because I`ve thought for the past 12 years or so that the punishment for disobeying orders was always the death penalty.[/quote]
Jesus, man, where the f*ck are you getting your military info?

Warhammer 40K?

Get out, see the real world, meet a real soldier. Maybe you`ll find that they`re not so bad after all.

Yes, there will be douchebags, but guess what? THAT`S F*CKING LIFE. You meet some good people, some bad. That fact doesn`t change just because they`re in the military.
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Maybe if we`d quit screwing around and actually WIN, then this stat would go down...

As is, some of these have to be because the people look back on their service and see that NOTHING GOT DONE, so they wonder what the point was, lose hope, and give up...

And to some extent, I do agree that something needed to be done in areas like the middle east. If anyone remembers what happened LAST TIME the world sat by and watched while some mad-man built up a stockpile...

But this war wasn`t motivated by that... That was a somewhat acceptable justification used in public to cover up the true motives behind it all.

We need to finish it and get out. I wanna see our soldiers home, before my friend ends up over there... He`s a driver, so his odds of getting killed...
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Sorry, I said I was gone, but one last jibe. Where`s that pesky Bin Laden fella that you guys were going to "smoke `im out?"

Wasn`t he the f*cker that orchestrated the dudes flying planes into your buildings (No Iraqis amongst them, but that`s besides the point, right?)

Here`s a hint: Go find him. He`s the Baddie, GWB. Stop jumping at shadows and INVADING F*CKING COUNTRIES!
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davy: I like your style. I was here when people were using logic, but Crakr is just retarded. Plus, it`s 2:21AM on the east coast, so I`m out.
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[quote]By the way, If this was such an `Illegal War` why hasn`t the UN tried to sanction the USA or any of the other coalition members? If you or anyone else has evidence so strong that convicts Bush, Then why didn`t the democrats attempt to impeach him? [/quote]
Utter, logorrhoeic bullwank. The Repubs tried to impeach Clinton cause he got a blowjob from an intern. CRIMINAL! Bush took the world to unjustifiable war in a nation that had f*ck all to do with 9/11, presided over the greatest economic clusterf*ck since the 1930`s, and single-handedly nose-dived America`s international reputation into the dirt. Why wasn`t Bush impeached?

And to get back on topic, (I know, lost cause, but I hope some of the sh*t I throw will stick on retards with sticky backs or something), WE WENT TO WAR OVER WMDs. OF WHICH HE HAD NONE.

F*ck this, I`m spent talking to the wall, In fact, the wall makes more sensible responses.

Crackr, have fun. I`m spent.
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Male 2,148
Pearl Harbor was an attack on our soil. We invaded the people clearly responsible. Bush used 9/11 as justification to depose Saddam Hussein, one of the few leaders in the Middle East absolutely opposed to Al-Qaeda and the Taliban. It would be like if we invaded France after Pearl Harbor.
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Male 2,148
Bush said there were WMDs that we need to go get. There was nothing when we got there. He said "mission complete" and we`ve been there more than twice as long since then as we were before he made that speech. Just because there is no solid proof doesn`t mean it isn`t the truth. I would say just use common sense, but I see very little chance that it would actually happen.

Also, the UN sanction the US or UK or any other coalition member? Honestly? How do you really think that would go?
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Male 17,512
ElDavo: Bush did not [quote]sprint into it like a jackass[/quote]. He spent over a year trying to convince a corrupt UN to jointly go after Saddam. Instead Annan and others had their dirty deals to protect. So Bush took more time and formed a coalition to go after Saddam.

Compared to how we leapt into WWII, Unprepared, The day after Pearl Harbor, Bush`s pace seems lethargic in comparison.
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Male 17,512
By the way, If this was such an `Illegal War` why hasn`t the UN tried to sanction the USA or any of the other coalition members ?

IF you or anyone else has evidence so strong that convicts Bush, Then why didn`t the democrats attempt to impeach him ? Why ? I can tell you why, Because such evidence DOES NOT EXIST.
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Male 2,148
Bush was the PRESIDENT OF THE UNITED STATES!! I`m not saying he`s the only one at fault, but I`m saying he`s at fault more than anything else you just named. THAT`S what amazes me so much when people think he was a good president. Any truly good president would have avoided war until absolutely necessary, but Bush sprinted into it like a jackass, lying to everyone in order to get there faster.
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Male 17,512
Bush is horrible.. Bush is horrible.. Bush is horrible.. Bush is horrible.. Bush is horrible.. Bush is horrible.. Bush is horrible.. ad infinitum.

When are you going to quit blaming Bush for everything ? I mean seriously. You can`t see Clinton`s role in this ? You can`t see the UN scandals role in this ? You can`t see the congressional democrats role in this ? You can`t see Saddam`s role either ? It`s all Bush`s fault and you`ll keep on blaming him well past 2012.
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Crakr: So you`re saying all our "intel" is Saddam Hussein yelling empty threats and our government just believing them? I`d say it makes Bush a terrible president if he believes that justifies anything more than an investigation.
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Male 12,138
[quote]That`s called WMDs. He hid portable lab trailers and many planes under the desert sand as well, Who knows what has yet to be discovered that Saddam hid. [/quote]
How long should I keep holding my breath for here, Crakr? Cause frankly, I`m starting to feel a bit light-headed. Permission to breathe?

He had no WMDs. Let it go, man, seriously. To say we`re going to find the evidence to justify an illegal invasion of another country (after 7 years of searching), by all international law, frankly smacks of desperation and vacuous pig-headed stubborn stupidity. Just my advice, of how the average person might read your comments.

Drop it, admit you guys f*cked up, and we can all move along. Lessons learned how not to do it in future and all that.
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Male 12,138
[quote]One word, China.[/quote]
OK, so let`s say you only attack people that you dislike who don`t have a big brother watching over them, you`ll only pick on the weak ones (back in my playground, we had a name for that behaviour, but moving on). I can understand the reasons for not attacking North Korea. Why hasn`t the US stepped in in Darfur? Zimbabwe? They don`t have any powerful allies.

In fact, let`s go back to the original question. What was the justification for America and its allies (again, my country included) to invade Iraq? I remember well the justification when it happened, it was because they had WMDs, and were ready to launch an attack on the West within 45 minutes. That justification has been distorted posthumously by you, and people like you, to be "Look! We got the bad man! Things are better now! We justified our actions by shifting the goalposts!"

Bullsh*t. I didn`t sign up for, nor agree to this. I was sold a lie. A dirty lie.
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Male 17,512
ElDavo: The deception was all on Saddam Hussein, He kept claiming he had WMDs and that he`d use them, Even after the sanctions and even after the Iraq resolution was passed. He was given a deadline to co-operate and refused to do so. Saddam could`ve gave up his 500 shells of gas and let inspectors in to see his complexes and saved a lot of lives, Including his own and his sons.

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Crakr: No, you`re right, Congress did review the intel. All I`m saying is that the intel was faulty at best and Bush backed it fully knowing this. He DID deceive people, both in the government and the populace itself. The war was unnecessary, and Bush`s crowning achievement of starting a war that shouldn`t exist makes him a terrible president.

Also, I know we aren`t all over every country will bullpoo justification. That`s just what you seem to think we should do if it weren`t for stronger countries protecting them.
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Male 17,512
ElDavo: First of all, We aren`t [quote]all over every country with bullpoo justifications.[/quote]

The intelligence was sound and was backed up by the British intelligence, It was the same intel that Clinton had and believed. Both houses of congress reviewed the intel and agreed nearly unanimously to go to war with Saddam Hussien. Of course now, All those democrats that voted to go to war all claim they were deceived, That`s the REAL BS here. They weren`t deceived, They had every opportunity to question the evidence and they held the majority of congress and could`ve blocked it.
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Male 17,512
davymid: The UN didn`t act because it was in collusion. Did you forget about the `Oil for food` Scandal ? Kofi Annan`s son profitted by it and Annan resigned. Wikipedia Source
Washington PostCouncil on Foriegn Relations
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Male 2,148
Not only do I call your information into question, I also submit that it doesn`t make the war justified nor does it support the argument that Bush was a good president.
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Male 17,512
ElDavo: [quote]There are still the misguided souls who believe Bush was a good president and the war was entirely justified.[/quote]

Let me ask you this, If some rich non-nice individual put out $5 million hit on your father and the cops wouldn`t do anything about it.. What would you do ?

Saddam Hussien did just that, Put a $5 million hit on George Bush Sr., So was it justified ? Damn well betcha it was, He had yellow cake Uranium (550 metric tons of it that we removed in 2008) along with over 500 artillery rounds of sarin and mustard gas. Just so you know, That`s called WMDs. He hid portable lab trailers and many planes under the desert sand as well, Who knows what has yet to be discovered that Saddam hid.
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Male 2,148
Crakr: First of all, glad that you`re back.
Second, his question was meant to ask "just because we can, should we?" It was using North Korea as an example, but really the point is that we shouldn`t be all over every country with bullpoo justifications.
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Male 17,512
davymid: [quote]why the f*ck aren`t we invading North Korea? Hey, at least we KNOW Kim Jong-Il has WMDs: Hell, he`s been swinging them around like a heavy dick. Answer me that.[/quote]

One word, China.
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Female 3,828
Wow if this is accurate im super depressed now.

Im not american, but the american armed forces do affect my security here in Canada. Im truly greatful to these soldiers for all that they have sacrficed and continue to sacrifice. Thank you <3
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Male 422
@boredfjord

Did you get those numbers off of Wikipedia or something because those are so far from wrong. I don`t want to get into a huge war arguement, but lets just say it`s going to get worse before it gets better. Kind of like sex...
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Male 2,148
I`m a loser because one night I was on IAB while engaged in conversations on Facebook and generally surfing the internet, and it ended up lasting a couple hours?

But, of course, you`re arguing over whether or not I should be arguing on the internet so you`re clearly the coolest around.
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Male 220
actually your posts go back to 7pm... so you`ve been, like a loser, arguing on this post for over 5 hours now. THAT is why you have no friends. Let it go. Goodnight.
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Male 2,148
jwhaler: Yes, THAT`S what I meant to say. It`s normal to argue politics most days after midnight, but I can`t because I HAVE NO FRIENDS.
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Male 220
ElDavo: sucks that you have no friends. Sorry.
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Male 928
As of today, the number of American troops in Iraq is 56,000. By September 1, it will be 50,000. Let`s be glad our involvement in this war is finally winding down.
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Male 2,049
Sailors? Its called the Navy...
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Male 2,148
jwhaler: It`s funny how you didn`t want to argue but bothered to waste your time telling people arguing is stupid so you could feel superior.

But here`s the thing: I`m arguing at 12:14AM because I find the topic interesting and there is nobody near me who even remotely cares about it. I`m sorry if it doesn`t entertain you, but it`s entertaining me so I`ll go on and do it, despite how "stupid" it makes me look.
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Male 2,148
So, since you must be talking about something Crakr said in this board, your options are his main argument or that side poo about the US not starting wars. You shouldn`t ignore him for the main point because it`s a valid opinion, and you shouldn`t ignore him for the side point because it wasn`t really what he was trying to get across, just a side-track he threw in there. It doesn`t matter which I assumed you were talking about, because you were wrong in both cases.
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Male 2,148
That may have been more complicated an argument than I wanted, so I`ll put it this way:

"I think I should just ignore CrakrJak from now on... he has never once said anything that I agree with, in any thread."

I said you were wrong once too, and maybe his opinions aren`t the best but they`re still valid. You said "EVERY SINGLE PERSON ABOVE THE AGE OF 17 IN THE US KNOWS THAT CRAKR IS WRONG" so I had to assume that now you were being more specific to this comment board because it`s literally impossible for everyone to always know he`s wrong all the time on everything.

(continued, wait a sec...)
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Male 220
it`s funny how on EVERY post on IAB it`s the same few idiots arguing, while everyone else keeps their opinions to themselves knowing you can`t win a debate in a flame war.

I realize you guys aren`t trying to persuade or "win" an argument... you just enjoy the negative banter among those you have shielded yourself from via the internet. You are cowards. With all of your so-called knowledge you should get out of your mom`s basement and take a real stand, where it matters.

Sincerely,
Smarter people everywhere
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Male 2,148
I said you shouldn`t ignore him because you disagree with his opinion, believing that you were ignoring him over the "the war is justified" thing. Then you said this:

"It was wrong of you to assume that ANYONE was only talking about Bush and the war, because NO ONE WAS.

If Crakr was, then he needs to STATE THAT, because I naturally assumed he was talking about every war the US had ever been in. His language didn`t mention anything about a specific war."

I naturally came to the conclusion that you were talking about his OTHER argument, the one where he talks about all the US`s wars.

However, since apparently you actually WERE talking about his "the war is justified" argument, my original point that you shouldn`t ignore someone because their opinion is different still stands.
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Male 1,184
" You still shouldn`t ignore him for one wrong thing that wasn`t even his main argument, and you`re still narrow-minded for believing you should."

Seems to me you`re ASSUMING that 1) that`s what I`m doing and 2) that I believe I should, both of which quite obviously are not true, because I CLEARLY STATED THAT I DISAGREE WITH EVERYTHING HE SAYS. "Everything" is not one thing.

More and more, you prove yourself to be quite stupid, ElDavo.
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Male 2,148
trashcan: That was Crakr. You have just joined the club everyone else is a member of that disagrees with what he says because it`s dumb.
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Male 936
those people knew what they signed up for. its like saying its sad someone killed themselves when they decided to play russion roulette...joing the military is a gamble. make sure you know the risks before gambling with your life.
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Male 361
I was looking through the posts and I read one the said "the US doesn`t start wars, we end wars." Which there is a lot of truth to that statement but still the governments we have created are corrupt and the societies that we have "freed" have ethnic conflicts within themwhich amounts to a war. Countries will choose democracy when they are ready so just be patient and even if the don`t that is their choice we have no business trying to manipulate other people`s governments or ways of life.
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Male 2,148
I assumed one thing, and my point was still valid despite that. Like I said, I`m not going to read every single one of your posts, but I`ll be glad to read your proof if you show it to me.
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Male 1,184
ElDavo, YOU are the one wasting MY time by assuming things even though I have clearly stated otherwise, in posts that you never read. Don`t waste my time.
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Male 2,148
Siyanor: I`m not going to read all your posts. If you have proof, show me it. If you want to waste my time, just don`t talk to me.
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Male 1,184
ElDavo, I was eating dinner.

And you just proved once again that you have not read my posts in their entirety. Read them. All of them. In their entirety.

Either that, or do not speak to me at all.
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Male 2,148
trashcan: Okay, I`m not laughing at you. Thanks for explaining.

davy: That`s why you`re so awesome and I wanna be you when I grow up.
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Male 361
ElDavo: I was just listing areas of intrest to American security. I don`t think we would invade Israel anytime soon and would probably be one of the last countries we would invade. I could go on to list Haiti, Mexico, Columbia, Venezula, Sudan, Congo, Pakistan, Kosovo, Algeria, Somolia, Syria, Chechnya, Ossetia, Abkahza,the list goes on and on and can all be traced back to interventionalist foreign policies especially from cold war politics.
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Male 12,138
Davo, maybe he was one of the guys interviewed in this video?
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Male 2,148
trashcan: Did... did you just say Israel in a list of countries we might invade? If so, I`m laughing at you right now but if not, please explain it being there.
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Female 16
I just read somewhere that out of all the branches and jobs, the army recruiters have a higher number of suicides. It said they`re berated and work too long. A lot of them are young veterans who come back with problems from the war and stuff like that. It`s really sad, I hate that my brother could go over there =/
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Male 361
Its not worth it anymore. Not Iraq, not afghanistan, not north korea, not iran, not israel, not anywhere. Bring all the troops home and only defend that which we love so. No one benefits from young men dying on a battlefield on any side. More violence helps no one.
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Male 2,148
I`m still not sure I believe you`re in the reserve, but I`m still okay with what you just said because it was my original point anyway.
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Male 1,540
Alright, I wanted to troll with the Crakrjack thing and you called me on it, but then I decided I actually had to make a point about getting executed during a time of war. Sorry, it was foolish of me. However, it is true that people do not get executed for going AWOL during a time of war. I suppose in extreme circumstances maybe they could still do it, but it just doesn`t happen anymore, and it won`t.
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Male 2,148
Is Siyanor gone? If so, this comment board is incredibly boring now. I mean, davy`s still here, but I can`t argue with him because he`s awesome so there isn`t anything to argue about.
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Male 2,148
Thetas: You also said whether we agree or not, what Crakr is saying is the truth. We called you on your trolling and "unhonorable" was my proof.
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Male 12,138
p.s. I ignore your first two reasons Cats because #1 we had troops in the region and #2 their military was weak is a f*cking retarded argument, without having justification to invade in the first place. Not wanting to pull a Godwin or anything, but I`m sure those were Hitler`s two primary reasons for invading Poland.

(for the love of god, no I`m not equating Bush with Hitler or the US with Nazi Germany, not for one second. Just pointing out how retarded Cats` first two reasons to invade Iraq are)
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Male 2,148
No davy, it wasn`t a fabricated lie, it was "emphasis". :D
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Male 1,540
All I said was a few people went AWOL and none of them were executed and that I`m in the army. I mean, poo, because I said unhonorable discharge it turned in to a whole fiscal about how I`m wrong because I don`t know anything about the military. I was really going by first hand experience but apparently only opinions matter anymore.
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Male 12,138
@ Cats, to pick up on a couple of your points:

[quote]Why Iraq and not those other places?
#3 the UN had every right & every reason to re-invade, but chose to sit on their thumbs for years! [/quote]
The UN chose to "sit on their thumbs" to allow more time to find out of he actually had WMDs. Guess who was right?

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[quote]#4 `we` (meaning people who supported Desert Strom 2) have to `sell` the idea to the masses. Which means putting the emphisis on scary things like WMDs and less on `cerebral` ideas like violation of ceasefire agreements.[/quote]
Thank you, Cats. You may be the only conservative I`ve encountered with the balls to admit that the fearmongering about WMDs by the Chimp-in-Chief and his cronies was a fabricated lie to scare the sheeple into accepting illegal invasion as a viable option. Cause otherwise, they never would have supported it, and it wouldn`t have happened. Kudos.
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Male 2,148
Ingrateful: I`m in the confrontational mood, so I`ll go ahead and ask... do you think this post was intended as humor?
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Male 415
ahh debate... always there when IAB has something that isnt funny :)
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Male 2,796
Thetas:

I have met and worked with many Army folk in the past 14 years. Just like every branch, they have their good guys and then there are the young, stupid dudes that make asses out of themselves. Guess which one you`re turning out to be...

Stop saying dumb things, it`s just that simple.
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Male 2,148
Damn, you`re right. However, my argument is still valid and you`re changing the subject. You still shouldn`t ignore him for one wrong thing that wasn`t even his main argument, and you`re still narrow-minded for believing you should.
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Male 1,184
ElDavo, you are a complete idiot.

I never said YOU should ignore him. I said that I, myself, and ONLY myself, should ignore him.

Please read my posts in their entirety at least once during your lifetime.
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Male 38
If they committed suicide in Iraq wouldn`t it still count as killed in Iraq?
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Male 2,148
5Cats: You can`t "emphasize" WMDs that don`t exist at all. Emphasis and lying are entirely different concepts. Also, all of your arguments, especially "They were weak, so we struck" are absolutely retarded.

Siyanor: That wasn`t his main argument, and therefore not a reason for us to ignore him for being wrong. So when you say "let`s ignore him because he`s wrong", it`s reasonable to assume that`s not what you`re talking about.
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Male 1,184
5Cats, then why the hell did three people disagree with me when I said the EXACT SAME THING in another thread?
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Male 40,277
Also they have no oil.
NO ONE likes war, but sometimes it really is the only option.

@Thetas don`t talk poo and pretend you are who you`re not. IABers are smarter than we look!
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Male 1,540
I`m reserve in the 319th signal bn. I work part time at the theater to help pay bills.
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Male 1,184
ElDavo:

"The US doesn`t `spread` war, We end wars. We`ve rebuilt many nations after war and continue to render humanitarian aid worldwide."

This is talking about ONLY THE IRAQ WAR? Sounds like EVERY US WAR to me.
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Male 12,138
[quote]Also, as someone in the Army, I can tell you that blah blah blah[/quote]
Thetas, your profile says your occupation is "Theatre Management". Need a lot of theatre managers in the Army? Oh, I get it, you`re a "Theatre of War" Manager...
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Male 2,148
Crakr`s last post:
"madest: Nobody but his and Cheney`s friends benefited from the Iraq war.


So the Kurds didn`t benefit ? The Iraqi`s didn`t benefit ? Their neighboring countries didn`t benefit ?

You just can`t admit to yourself that the world is better now that Saddam Hussein and His evil sons are dead can you ?"

Cheney, Saddam Hussein, Kurds, Iraqi`s (his misused apostrophe, not mine).

Clearly he was talking about The Mexican-American War. How could I be so ignorant?
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Male 1,540
God, you`re so drating dumb. Go back to your last argument, you know nothing about me.
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Male 40,277
Why Iraq and not those other places?
#1 the forces and allies were already there (from Desert Storm #1) the local allies (Kuwait & Saudi Arabia) are the key! Look what happened with our "ally" Turkey, eh?
#2 Iraq`s army had been severly weakened already
#3 the UN had every right & every reason to re-invade, but chose to sit on their thumbs for years! (while collecting graft) until the USA actually did the job.
#4 `we` (meaning people who supported Desert Strom 2) have to `sell` the idea to the masses. Which means putting the emphisis on scary things like WMDs and less on `cerebral` ideas like violation of ceasefire agreements.

It would be nice to have the USA go depose every nasty-bad dictator, but:
#1 where do you stop?
#2 people love thier dictators a lot more when a foreign army invades them, eh? They tend to resist.
#3 the rest of the world would get mad at the USA for playing with THEIR puppets (China = North Korea)
Also,
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Male 2,148
(Thetas hasn`t been to Afghanistan. At least, not as military personnel.)
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Male 1,184
It was wrong of you to assume that ANYONE was only talking about Bush and the war, because NO ONE WAS.

If Crakr was, then he needs to STATE THAT, because I naturally assumed he was talking about every war the US had ever been in. His language didn`t mention anything about a specific war.
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Male 2,148
Yes, Thetas, because the military is a huge secret and nobody has any information on it other than in Wikipedia. Everything ever is wrong because you are smarter than everything ever.

Siyanor: It was wrong of me to assume that in a flame war specifically about Bush and the war, you were talking about Bush and the war in response to a comment about Bush and the war? Sorry about that.
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Male 1,540
I`ve already been to Afghanistan, and neither I nor anybody I knew died. But congratulations on being an non-nice individual.
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Male 1,184
How about you go join the army and get killed?
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Male 1,540
Go join the army and then argue with me about the one fact I threw out there.
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Male 1,184
No, Thetas, we don`t know everything, but we know waaaaaaaaay more about everything than you know about anything.
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Male 1,540
Alright, you called me on being a troll, and now you think I should leave because you know you`re right that I`m a troll. I guess you know everyhting and everyone else is wrong because Wikipedia knows everything.
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Male 2,148
Thetas, you got called on being a troll, just leave.
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Male 1,184
I know you have no idea what I`m talking about. You proved that by assuming I`m talking only about Bush and the military.
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Male 2,148
Siyanor: I`ll be honest, I have no idea what you`re talking about. What concepts have I not connected that are in any way relevant? What proof do you have that I`m narrow-minded? After saying everyone should ignore Crakr because you disagreed with his opinion, what reason do you have to believe that you AREN`T narrow-minded?
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Male 1,540
So what, you know everything? Because we called it unhonorable. I don`t care what wikipedia might have to say about it.
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Male 2,148
Thetas: Every member of ever armed service knows it`s a "dishonorable discharge" and refers to it as such. It`s painfully obvious that you`re lieing, now please leave or at least be less of a douche.
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Male 1,184
ElDavo, I`m not extremely narrow minded like you. I can actually connect concepts rather than only think about the topic at hand.
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Male 2,148
Thetas is trolling, everyone ignore him.

Davy, I believe you just proved that you are the best mod and possibly the best IABer.
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Male 1,184
Thetas, stop trolling or get out of the thread.

Or if you`re not trolling...

Wow.
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Male 1,540
Also, as someone in the Army, I can tell you that we had a few soldiers go AWOL during a time of war, and maybe about half of them got a little bit of jail time, a slap on the wrist, and got sent home with an unhonorable discharge. The others got all that minus the jail time.
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Male 2,148
The misfortune is that no, they don`t. There are still the misguided souls who believe Bush was a good president and the war was entirely justified.

Also, I believe most Americans over 17 have heard of court-martials and dishonorable discharges.

I will now ignore you because you didn`t congratulate my 2000 posts.
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Male 12,138
Congratulations, Davo!

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Male 1,540
"I think I should just ignore CrakrJak from now on... he has never once said anything that I agree with, in any thread."

Whether you "agree" with it or not, it`s the truth. But if you want to live comfortably in your fantasy world, we won`t stop you.
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Male 1,184
ElDavo, the difference is EVERY SINGLE PERSON ABOVE THE AGE OF 17 IN THE US KNOWS THAT CRAKR IS WRONG.
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Male 2,148
Siyanor: You said earlier you thought the punishment for disobeying orders was always death. Let`s just ignore you because what you said was so horribly wrong. Crakr`s opinions are retarded, sure, but he`s entitled to them while all I`ve seen you do is say something blatantly incorrect.

Cobra: Well, that would be debatable if we actually improved another country, but Iraq being better now than before is incredibly questionable.

Also, 2000 POSTS EVERYONE!! CONGRATULATE ME!
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Male 526
davy.... i disagree with you a lot of the time, but tonight, i must regrettably say, I totally and completely agree with you.
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Male 7,811
crakrjak, but does it really count as a positive to better another country while worsening our own?
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Male 1,184
I think I should just ignore CrakrJak from now on... he has never once said anything that I agree with, in any thread.
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Female 160
If I was to commit suicide, I`d want to set myself on fire and jump off a large building into a crowd of people while screaming some insane poo. If I`m going to die anyway, I might as well have some fun with it.
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Male 12,138
Look, if you`re such a proponent of deposing world leaders for running brutal, oppressive regimes that destabilize the surrounding region, why the f*ck aren`t we invading North Korea? Hey, at least we KNOW Kim Jong-Il has WMDs: Hell, he`s been swinging them around like a heavy dick. Answer me that.
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Male 12,138
If the people of the Coalition (including my country, the UK) had`ve been told we needed to invade Iraq to depose Saddam Hussein, then the outcome might well have been different. I, and millions of others like me, would have asked "OK, so Saddam is a brutal dictator and the Iraqi people are under oppression. Agreed. So why do we rank him above other other countries we could invade and install new governments? Why not North Korea? Somalia? Sudan? Zimbabwe? Democratic Republic of the Congo?"

Of course, we would have seen through it as a populace that the reasons for choosing Iraq as the place to invade were twofold:

1) That Minime Bush had a perceived vendetta (hell, he even called it a "Crusade") against Iraq.
2) North Korea, Somalia, Sudan, Zimbabwe, DRC have no oil.
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Male 12,138
[quote]So the Kurds didn`t benefit ? The Iraqi`s didn`t benefit ? Their neighboring countries didn`t benefit ? You just can`t admit to yourself that the world is better now that Saddam Hussein and His evil sons are dead can you ?[/quote]
Crakr, what a crock of delusional bullsh*t you`re spouting tonight. Even more so than usual.

Even if you accept that Iraq is in better shape now than it was under Saddam (and I contest that that`s debatable), we DID NOT GO TO WAR TO DEPOSE THE "BAD, NASTY MAN". WE WENT THERE BECAUSE WE WERE TOLD THAT HE HAD WMDs. WHICH WAS A BLATANT, DOWNRIGHT LIE - HE HAD F*CK ALL.
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Male 2,148
Crakr said something about assisting governments against Al-Qaeda and the Taliban, immediately followed with how the world is a better place without Saddam Hussein. Conveniently left out was the fact that he was the single strongest-armed opponent of Al-Qaeda and the Taliban in the Middle East.

Now, I`m not saying Hussein was a good person or deserved to be in charge, but he was the best for us at the time and invading that country was a royal drat-up.
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Male 2,796
No, you screwballs need to get it in your tiny brains that god is nothing but a manmade... oh wait, this isn`t a religious flame war... I`m out!
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Male 1,184
"The US doesn`t `spread` war, We end wars. We`ve rebuilt many nations after war and continue to render humanitarian aid worldwide."

Crakr, that is the most retarded statement I`ve read on IAB.
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Male 40,277
Isn`t it cute how madest completely changes the topic after being PWNED by his betters?
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Male 1,815
Suicide is such a lame way to die, especially since no one has the balls to make a spectacle of it.
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Male 296
CrakrJak, there has not been complete peace on Earth since way, way, wayyy before WWI. Millenniums before WWI.
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Male 7,378
The world was better off with Saddam alive. He seemed to be the only one who could keep the Iraqis from killing each other. They`d have over 100,000 of their relatives around, we`d have 4,500 of ours. We`d be over a trillion dollars wealthier. It`s not in our interest to prop up puppet regimes and protect their democracy. It`s interfering. If we stayed out of Iraq, there`d have been no Abu Gharib scandal. A black-eye we`ve yet to recover from. If we ignored Iraq and instead concentrated on Afghanistan we might even had captured or killed Osama bin Laden years ago and your hero George W. Bush would would be just that and hell John McCain (and his retarded side kick) would probably be president (and VP) today.
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Female 1,101
"You just can`t admit to yourself that the world is better now that Saddam Hussein and His evil sons are dead can you ?"

The world would be a better place if a lot of people where dead. Yeah it`s good that Sadam has been ousted. The question is did we do more harm than good going in there and I don`t think there is really a definent answer for that. They certainly aren`t any closer to a stable government. Now we`re training their forces to take over for ours and helping to put people in power over in a country which is not ours just like we did before when George Bush senior helped Sadam come to power! Maybe setting ourselves up for the next war!
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Female 320
Um, a bit off. The Navy deploys medics with the marines because marines do not train medics. And because the Taliban does not follow the Geneva conventions, medics (non-combatants) are prime targets and are killed weekly.

I`m one of them that has survived.
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madest: [quote]Nobody but his and Cheney`s friends benefited from the Iraq war.[/quote]

So the Kurds didn`t benefit ? The Iraqi`s didn`t benefit ? Their neighboring countries didn`t benefit ?

You just can`t admit to yourself that the world is better now that Saddam Hussein and His evil sons are dead can you ?
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Male 17,512
piperfawn: There has not been complete peace on Earth since before WWI. The US doesn`t `spread` war, We end wars. We`ve rebuilt many nations after war and continue to render humanitarian aid worldwide.

The US is not at war with any country, We are assisting the duly elected governments of Iraq and Afghanistan against their enemies, aka Al-Qaeda & The Taliban.
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Male 7,378
Nothing wrong with the military so long as it`s not used as an imperialistic force. George Bush wiped his ass with the constitution. Nobody but his and Cheney`s friends benefited from the Iraq war.
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Male 1,184
Oh, ok, so I can hate the military slightly less. I still hate it, though.
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Male 17,512
Siyanor: [quote">I`ve thought for the past 12 years or so that the punishment for disobeying orders was always the death penalty.{/quote">

That punishment is very very rare and only `In time of war` (Which we are not `In time of war` right now). I`ve not heard of even one soldier sentenced by court martial to death in the last ten years.

The punishment is normally dishonorable discharge and confinement for 5-10 years in a federal prison. Source also see the links for articles 91 and 92.

Not reporting for duty would be under article 92 and that artcile carries no death penalty.
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Male 5,141
But at the end of all this discussion someone can explain me why USA since the end of WWII never stop to spread war all over the world? Seem like that this nation need war at all cost to survive, and sometime USA have done wars also without UN accord. I don`t want to mention also what USA have done in South America with all dictators that have put on power. BTW being a soldier is a personal decision, no one force you to this choise, and when you made it you know that this involve death. You want do war all over the world,you want to be a soldier? Prepare for death.I prefere to cry for people that die doing civilians jobs that for someone that want to kill.
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Male 40,277
vv You said it @Iunderground! They think their own ignorance on the rest of the world is ALSO what the rest knows about them.

We get American TV up here y`all!! NOT FoxNews though, that`s banned!!!

Also, you`d think MADEST, while talking ABOUT the wars in Iraq and Afghanistan, would know that Canada HAS TROOPS there! But he is either ignorant of this fact, or chooses to ignore it.

Also we helped in Gulf War One. Since our combat troops were all busy in Afghanistan, we didn`t help in Gulf War Two. That doesn`t mean we know nothing about it, eh?
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Male 46
Why would you put this on the website?
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Male 40,277
[quote]Are you implying that whoever told me that was a complete liar? Because I`ve thought for the past 12 years or so that the punishment for disobeying orders was always the death penalty.[/quote]
@Siyanor - yes, they lied to you.
Treason can carry the death penalty, as can desertion, but those are rare and far between.
Mostly a refusal to follow a legally given order will get you kicked out, DIS-honorabley, or lesser punishments like being assigned a crappy posting, stripping of rank or permanent marks on your service record.
These are modern times, they don`t shoot soldiers for falling asleep on guard duty anymore! lolz!
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Female 449
@5cats you raise some great points, but dont forget as seems to be the problem with all Americans(USA), they believe that they themselves are the center of the universe. They obviously suck in all they can about Canada from the media and come up with their "own" assumptions that Canada, for example, knows nothing about war or has no army and the likes. Just makes me sick.
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Male 40,277
[quote]How do you expect anyone to take you seriously when you`re so untruthful with yourself?[/quote]
@madest, are you being sarcastic or ironic? Or just plain delusional, again.
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Female 157
I feel like a horrible person. My boyfriend is Air Force, and he commonly uses the "USAF guys never get killed over seas, I`m going to be fine!" argument with me.

My mind instantly went to "And you kill yourselves the least, too!"
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Male 40,277
[quote]Oh yeah what you know about the American military would fit in a thimble Cat5.[/quote]
What THAT madest? Personal attack? The kind you raise such a fuss about when you feel like it`s being done to you?
So HOW do you know anything at all about me madest? You look into your bellybutton for wisdom, eh? Typical liberal. Accuse first, accuse second, lie third. Check actual facts... real liberals don`t NEED facts!
So the fact that we Canadains know a LOT about our huge souther neighbors means nothing? My service in the Cadets and CAF?

Notice how he COMPLETELY ignores the other reason I offered. Or that the UN actually autorized use of force to enforce the treaty (they gambled that the USA wouldn`t use that to invade. They lost!)
Hans Blix`s mission failed because Saddam threatened to KILL the inspectors if they visited certain sites. The UN had to flee Iraq, which violated the cease-fire.
So simple even madest can understand it, but he chooses not to.
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Male 134
i like how people feel sympathy for those who died doing exactly what they signed up for... fighting a war. some of them just couldn`t take the poo they saw and popped off.. it`s a war people, many are going to die get over it
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Male 353
Do you think the numbers might be due to the rumored "Support the Troops" Justin Bieber tour?
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Male 1,184
Crakr, I don`t know anyone from the military and I don`t care to.

Are you implying that whoever told me that was a complete liar? Because I`ve thought for the past 12 years or so that the punishment for disobeying orders was always the death penalty.
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Male 17,512
madest: Really ? I never said GW Bush was a saint nor have I defended him on all his policies. Also, I didn`t blame Obama for the BP oil spill. I commented on his and his administrations handling of the response to the spill, But that`s different.

You fail at trying to paint me, Just as you fail at your obfuscation and liberal spin.
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Male 252
So? The average suicide rate in america is 10-15 per 100 thousand. Sure, being in the military raises it a bit, but statistically it makes sense.
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Male 25,417
eeek!
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Male 7,378
CJ, over the years you`ve made every excuse you could for the monumental failures of the Bush administration. Conversely you`ve blamed Obama for everything from the financial meltdown to the oil spill. How do you expect anyone to take you seriously when you`re so untruthful with yourself?
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Male 17,512
DavidXJ: The average suicide rate for all military personnel, For the last 26 years, In the US is 12.7 per 100,000. It`s now 17.6 per 100,000, So it has rose a little.
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Male 17,512
sawdusty: [quote]..Spend trillions on the wars and not spend any on the troops when they come home to help them cope..[/quote]

A lot of effort and money is being spent in support of our troops when they come home. What we have lacked are the numbers of psychiatric personnel to handle the need.

There is certainly a lot more being spent and more attention paid to today`s veterans than was ever spent on Vietnam veterans like my father.
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Male 1,106
I would like to know the suicide rate among soldiers prior to the invasion of Afganistan and Iraq. Then we can discuss this data.
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Male 17,512
madest: [quote]His failed war of vanity (in Iraq) has cost over a trillion dollars to date and didn`t accomplish anything.[/quote]

Saddam Hussien is gone, His sons dead, The Kurds are no longer oppressed, Democracy and free elections in Iraq now. That`s nothing ?
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Female 449
Im sure a good number of those already had suicidal wishes before they joined....
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Male 333
There is no stopping an unrecognizable force. They are townspeople, villagers, farmers often in remote locations in the mountains. They recruit the locals with propaganda and the more we kill them, the more of them jump up to fight for their fallen. You cannot win against this seemingly never-ending force of enemies especially when their tactics are to just lay I.E.D.s all over the damn roads. Kill as many as you want because more will just rise up and fill their rank a there`s no end. Train the afghan and Iraq army to actually be effective and do their job so we don`t have to stay there and do it for them
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Female 169
Exsillium I believe what you meant to say is America Sucks
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Male 2,056
[citation needed]
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Male 10,338
Cobrakiller brings up a good point.

What`s the actual number of US armed forces suicides in 2009?

Not code reds played off as suicides either.
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Male 10,338
Probably because they had easy home lives, and once they got into the armed forces and they were faced with hardship.....

Or they were gay and couldn`t put up with hiding it anymore.

Serious answers.

There`s no way to know what motivates people do commit suicide.
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Male 7,811
i would like to a real document for this
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Female 23
This is going to sound really stupid...but why did they commit suicide?
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Male 134
Earth sucks.
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Male 770
the problem is, the guys in charge didnt go in to win. they went in half assed then tried to play it for political points over the next ten years.
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Male 10,338
Yessssss.

I figured that`d happen lol.
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Male 159
"Hi, I`m in the region. From all of us here:
Stabilize you.

I`m using it right, right? That must be what it means... "

Oh lord that was funny XD credit where credit is due.
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Male 491
Spend trillions on the wars and not spend any on the troops when they come home to help them cope, someone at the top needs a swift kick in the balls.
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Male 812
"Except the fall of one of the must ruthless dictators of the modern era, and stabilization of the region."

That is just a dirty excuse. There are plenty of dictators all around the world and the U.S. isn`t doing nothing about them. How do you define when a dictator is ruthless enough to launch an invasion?
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Female 1,101
"Except the fall of one of the must ruthless dictators of the modern era, and stabilization of the region."

Are we talking about Sadam here? Because the funny thing about that is that Bush`s Dad helped put him in power. Also, what stabalization?
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Male 39,531
auburnjunky... you think it`s "stable" over there?
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Male 4,546
" and stabilization of the region. "

Hi, I`m in the region. From all of us here:
Stabilize you.

I`m using it right, right? That must be what it means...
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Male 2,591

"Except the fall of one of the must ruthless dictators of the modern era, and stabilization of the region."

Boy stop swingin from Bush`s sack, you kno damn well aint nothin stable about over there.
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Male 5,141
stabilization of the region...pwhahahah! god joke..good joke
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Male 10,338
"George Bush turned his back on OBL in the hills of Tora Bora"

That`s right. Because he was there.

"thereby allowing him to live the remainder of his life in freedom."

He isn`t dead fudgestick.

"His failed war of vanity (in Iraq) has cost over a trillion dollars to date and didn`t accomplish anything."

Except the fall of one of the must ruthless dictators of the modern era, and stabilization of the region.
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Male 7,378
George Bush turned his back on OBL in the hills of Tora Bora thereby allowing him to live the remainder of his life in freedom. His failed war of vanity (in Iraq) has cost over a trillion dollars to date and didn`t accomplish anything.
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Male 699
sh*t
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Male 10,338
"At least Clinton tried..."

No. He succeeded in putting his cigar in Monica`s pussy, but other than that he pretty much failed.
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Male 17,512
madest: GWB did not ignore any intelligence on the matter. No one knew there were plans to fly 4 planes into buildings, except the terrorists themselves.

The same kind of baloney was aimed at FDR after Pearl Harbor.
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Male 106
madest: FACT: Bush`s lie allowed Osama bin Laden to walk free

FACT: That`s not a fact, it`s a supposition.

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Male 332
I think its because they weren`t meant to be soldiers in the first place. A lot of kids these days join the armed forces JUST so they can get a free ride through college. Those guys aren`t born commandos.
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Male 7,378
FACT: GWB ignored the PDB of 8/6/2001 It`s exact words were "Osama bin Laden determined to strike within the US". At least Clinton tried...
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Male 533
FACT: The war had nothing to do with terrorism.
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Male 876
Everybody! Quick, spurt out your "facts" and opinions... Because we all really, and I mean really, care to hear them.
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Male 17,512
[quote]..why are they obeying orders against their will on pain of death?[/quote]

Show me just one person that has refused to go to Iraq or Afghanistan that has been sentenced to death by the military, Just one.
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Male 15,510
Dang O.o
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Male 17,512
madest: Fact, Bill Clinton`s `Wag the dog` failed missile strike on Afghanistan, To divert attention away from the stains on Monica`s dress, prompted OBL to plan 9/11.
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Male 1,184
Skullman, if they believe in freedom, why are they obeying orders against their will on pain of death? And if these orders are NOT against their will, why are they willfully killing?
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Male 332
I think its because they weren`t meant to be soldiers in the first place. A lot of kids these days join the armed forces JUST so they can get a free ride through college. Those guys aren`t born commandos.
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Male 64
This is very misleading. The suicide rate of soldiers for 2009 was one percent more than the civilian rate.
@Siyanor You are correct. Soldiers DO join knowing they will go to war. They do in spite of this fact because they actually believe in freedom and want to serve our country. Now run along to your safe, quiet suburban home and be thankful.
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Male 7,378
FACT: Bush`s lie allowed Osama bin Laden to walk free
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Male 17,512
madest: Bill Clinton certainly was the president and had the same intelligence on Saddam Hussein back in the year 2000 before he left office.
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Male 17,512
As for WMDs:

FACT: In June of 2006 the National Ground Intelligence Center, a Defense Department intelligence unit, released portions of a declassified report which stated unequivocally that “Since 2003, coalition forces have recovered approximately 500 weapons munitions which contain degraded mustard or sarin nerve agent.”

FACT: In a January 2008 report on 60 minutes, top CIA operative George Piro revealed that Saddam Hussein had phased out his biological weapons program since the 90s but was willing to go to war with the U.S., because he needed to continue the illusion that he had an active WMD program, as a hedge against his arch enemy, Iran.

FACT: Saddam was planning on restarting his program approximately one year after U.N. sanctions were lifted. This explains why he was actively approaching North Africa for the procurement of yellow cake. 550 metric tons of the stuff was removed from Iraq in 2008 courtesy of the United States of America.
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Male 7,378
[quote]Then Bill Clinton lied, Hillary Clinton lied, Nancy Pelosi Lied, Harry Reid lied, and a host of other democrats as well.[/quote]
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Problem is they weren`t the president. In a republican world the buck never stops at the republican president. Sadly it exposes a credibility gap.
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Male 17,512
madest: If, As you say, Bush lied. Then Bill Clinton lied, Hillary Clinton lied, Nancy Pelosi Lied, Harry Reid lied, and a host of other democrats as well. They all had the same information from our intelligence sources and the British intelligence sources confirmed them.
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Male 17,512
pandabear21: [quote]there are good men and women that are driven to killing themselves because of the orders they are given.[/quote]

There is no way you have the knowledge of the circumstances behind of each and every soldiers suicide, And to assume they are all caused by the orders they are given is total Bullsh|t.

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Male 67
panda, of course the ratio matters. According to Wikipedia, the US in general has a suicide rate of 11/100,000 people. Also according to Wikipedia, the size of the US military is 2,932,400, which puts the suicide rate of the military at 10.37/100,000 people. In other words, people in the military commit suicide at about the same rate as everyone else. Since the military is overwhelmingly male, and the male suicide rate in the US is 17.7, it would seem that soldiers commit suicide at a *lower* rate than the average American.
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Male 225
is this real? O=
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Male 1,081
My cousin told me a story of someone who cut himself in basic training.
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Male 2,700
Iraq may not have had weapons of mass destruction, But the had Masses of Destructive weapons, A crap load of stolen American and various stolen currencies, and one Megolomaniac of a leader....Mmmhmm all that together counts as WMDs in my part...

And to the post about not defending your freedom halfway across the world, Had we not won WW2 we would all probably be speaking german about now
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Male 10,338
@panda:

I was merely saying that this is taking into account ALL of the military`s suicides. Not just people who served in Iraq.

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Male 1,184
...

No one can defend my freedoms half the globe away from me. If you want to defend my freedoms, do it in California, where I live.

I don`t support the soldiers or the war. Soldiers don`t become soldiers not expecting to go to war.
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Female 150
"Well if you take into account how many thousands of troops cycled in and out of Iraq last year, the ratio isn`t that high. "

Suicide is suicide, doesn`t matter what the drating ratio is. Its the fact that this whole war seems pointless and there are good men and women that are driven to killing themselves because of the orders they are given. I know people that are completely changed for the worse because of this whole debacle. And you sum it up as "the ratio isn`t that high." You obviously value human life... B-|
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Male 3,285
Oh and Iraq did have WMD`s? Provide proof please. There has never been any reports of WMD`s in iraq, save the ones from the 80`s that the US governement gave/sold saddam, then tried to go to war with him in the 90`s purely for the oil, and use teh excuse they were trying to get rid of him as he was a president.


You REALLY need to stop watching fox news. Iraq has no WMD`s. There is no proof, they havent used any for years. Saying i am wrong about this, is liek me saying you are a pedofile. I have no proof, but by your logic, it automatically makes you one.
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Male 3,285
haha auburn. been listening to fox news have we? ALL of the information was formed by US intelligence then put forward as full fact. It`s only in teh last year or so people have found out the true lies.
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Male 1,678
"He hid it, and shipped to ally, Syria. Why do you think we almost invaded them shortly after Iraq?"

Then what stopped you?
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Male 7,378
George Bush went on TV several times selling us on the dangers of a "nuclear Iraq" (as if there was a remote chance of that). His State of the Union address was about chemical and biological weapon stockpiles Saddamn was shifting in an effort to hide from inspectors. He called Hanz Blix a failure on national TV. He sent his henchmen (namely Cheney to propose ties of Saddam and al Queda). It`s not Britains fault. It`s not the democrats fault. It`s not Clintons fault. Bush lied and tens of thousands died. He was an American disgrace.
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Male 10,338
Also 5Cats is right. This is suicides out of the total number of soldiers in the US armed forces (almost 1 million) versus number that has died in the Iraqi theater.
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Female 511
@5Cats: Shipped to Syria??? Are you delusional?
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Male 10,338
"George Bush lied."

George Bush and the US Military was given bad intel from British Intelligence on the location of WMD`s that Iraq DID have.

News of a pending invasion was all over the news. Hussein was not an idiot. He hid it, and shipped to ally, Syria. Why do you think we almost invaded them shortly after Iraq?
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Female 511
I had read reports about the high number of suicides in Iraq. I guess the things they`re asked to do over there aren`t always easy to live with. On the other hand, Israeli soldiers don`t seem to have a problem with killing innocent civilians.
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Male 901
|-(
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Male 7,378
George Bush lied. There were no WMDs. What more do you need. Oh yeah what you know about the American military would fit in a thimble Cat5.
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Male 40,277
Grow up @madest, that`s a cheap shot, even for YOU.
The USA (President, Congress and Senate ALL voted to do this) invaded Iraq because Saddam had repeatedly, for YEARS violated the articles of cease-fire. The UN wouldn`t DO anything about it because Coffee Anan was getting millions $$ in kickbacks, as were many of his UN stooges.
The Weapons of Mass Destruction WERE there, they got shipped to Syria DUH! before the second invasion.
Anyhow, you confuse propaganda with policy. Typical.
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Male 2,549
Notice how the 4 in 304 is crossed out and a 309 is placed next to it...Some wars never end, no doubt this one will continue to claim lives for quite some time.

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Male 169
I stand by what I said. Deal with it.
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Male 7,378
[quote]What`s a crimal?[/quote]
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Sorry professor. I meant to type criminal. Hope that clarifies.
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Male 40,277
I`m thinking the suicide side shows ALL of the armed forces, while the Iraq side just shows soldiers killed in Iraq, eh?
So the number of service men & women on the left is like 2 million, while on the right it`s what? 300K?
Armed forces suicide rates have remained mostly stable over the post-Vietnam era. I believe the rate is lower than civilian averages for those IN the service, but slightly higher than average during the first year OUT of the service.

Anyhow, suicide is tragic, that`s the bottom line.
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Female 839
wow, that genuinely shocked me i had no idea
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Male 4
well then tedgp, why dont we send you to go to iraq and IF you come back you can try to continue to tell us all about how soldiers "deserve no sympathy"
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Male 10,338
What`s a crimal?
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Male 10,338
Well if you take into account how many thousands of troops cycled in and out of Iraq last year, the ratio isn`t that high.

Read between the lines people. How many cops committed suicide last year. Or firemen. Or strippers.
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Male 7,378
Thank you George W. Bush. I hope you sleep well at night. You will go down in history as the worst president since Millard Fillmore. These good men you sent off to die over a lie in some foreign poohole was all about your vanity. It`s times like these I wish there was a God that actually struck down crimals like you. Lucky for us you can`t escape your conscious.
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@ sidragasum
how could you say something so drated up like that? do you have any idea what some of the stuff they go though on a daily life style while you sit and stay fat, dumb, and happy? no i bet you don`t. you can`t and no one else has the right to say poo about something you`ve never been though before in your life.
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Male 158
Unless you`re an Iraqian.
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Male 230
@Sid
You`ve made the list. Consider your time limited.

Signed:
US Infantry NCO
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Female 311
"Baww.. Yeah they deserve no sympathy. Sorry to be an non-nice individual, but only the weak minded give up so easy."

You`re a dick!
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Male 234
"tedgp: The soldiers are defending our freedoms, it is the politicians who send them to war who may not be. The soldier is only following orders, while the politician is the one who decides which countries to invade."

the soldiers are following orders, god bless them, but the politicians are chasing money. war = money
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Male 599
It`s not a surprising stat though. When you see your friends dying and/or being seriously injured on the field and the president is trying to undermine what you`re doing at every chance, you may start to wonder what the point of it all is.
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Male 6,694
Wow. Looks like Air Force is the way to go.
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Male 271
sidragasm.

i bet you`ve had a real tough life. seen it all, and got through the worst of it stronger than before.

missed buses, failed exams, girls that dumped you.

stay strong, and forget all these losers that flake at a few murders.
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Male 593
304 corpses... how terrible. I know what it`s like to have someone you know commit suicide, that`s 304 families that have been devastated.
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Male 333
Support the soldiers, not the war. Doesn`t matter what they are fighting for, they are still fighting something most of us here will never do. They just answer the call to duty so others don`t have to and I have the upmost respect for vets and soldiers. You sit here behind your computer screen calling the dead weak for committing suicide and to some extent it may be true, but neither you nor I have seen the things they have see. Brothers mutilated, gunned down, and blown up repeatedly while being forced to kill gun wielding children. They carry an unimaginable burden on their shoulders and for you to mock them without having gone through the struggle is ignorant. Show some respect. They CHOOSE to go to war but don`t always choose who to kill or what to shoot at, it`s all orders. If you got a problem with it then go and show your valor for yourself
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Male 296
"Coming from a family of soldiers, it`s strange to think that the suicide rate is so high. Guess it all depends on the person and what they can/can`t handle. "

So you`ve never heard of angel duty? Imagine walking alongside a road after an I.E.D. and picking up human remains. With jobs like that I`m not suprised that there`s such a suicide rate, because, do you know what it would be like to pick up a bloody carcass of a dead child?
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Male 169
Baww.. Yeah they deserve no sympathy. Sorry to be an non-nice individual, but only the weak minded give up so easy.
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Male 415
man..... why commit suicide? why not just run straight into the line of fire, guns a blaze
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Female 1,380
@tedge, you don`t necessarily need to support the war and what they`re at war for, but you should still support the troops. but you`re from europe so our troops apparently don`t matter to you.
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Male 99
what an non-nice individual

"you didn`t have to be born, you know"
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Female 728
tedgp: The soldiers are defending our freedoms, it is the politicians who send them to war who may not be. The soldier is only following orders, while the politician is the one who decides which countries to invade.
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Male 185
Let just make it clear about one thing: No soldier currently in Iraq or Afghanistan is fighting for MY our any other American citizens freedom, they are fighting for the interests of the military industrial complex, and I feel deeply sorry that they sacrifice so much for such a false premise.
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Male 518
@tedgp *Thumbs up*
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Female 843
Army, marines, air force, and...sailors?

Coming from a family of soldiers, it`s strange to think that the suicide rate is so high. Guess it all depends on the person and what they can/can`t handle.
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Male 1,312
Hey tedgp, being part of the westboro baptist church and all, don`t you guys think the computer is a devil tool or whatever? What a douche
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Male 914
terrible
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Male 11
tedgp: Lucky for you you live in a country that allows you to say something like that. You can thank a soldier sometime for that privilege.

Current war situation or not, soldiers past and present give you the opportunity to be ungrateful for their service and sacrifice. Try to keep that in mind next time you want to talk like a moron.
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Male 2,700
....And Tedgp....to put it simply

"Either stand behind our soldiers, or feel free to stand in front of them"