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111 Responses to The National Organization For Women`s Logo [Pic]

  1. Profile photo of fancylad
    fancylad Male 30-39
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    August 15, 2010 at 8:22 am
    Link: The National Organization For Women`s Logo - Every notice anything about it?
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    lostinkorea Female 30-39
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    August 15, 2010 at 11:09 am

  3. Profile photo of Bioshocker
    Bioshocker Male 13-17
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    August 15, 2010 at 11:09 am
    FAIL!
  4. Profile photo of APJ311
    APJ311 Male 13-17
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    August 15, 2010 at 11:11 am
    Ironic.
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    Angelmassb Male 18-29
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    August 15, 2010 at 11:14 am
    You can tell a guy came up with that logo
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    Xerasia Female 18-29
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    August 15, 2010 at 11:17 am
    an iron? was that the best you could do?
  7. Profile photo of Angilion
    Angilion Male 40-49
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    August 15, 2010 at 11:26 am
    Maybe it`s a Freudian sort of thing. It`s an organisation for women who are obsessed with men dominating women. No doubt many, maybe all, of them have psychological/sexual fantasies about being dominated by a man, fantasies they suppress and are in denial about. Literally no doubt - they air these fantasies all the time, but pass them off as reality and history instead. Projecting their suppressed inner personal desires onto the outside world.

    Given that, maybe a bit of those suppressed fantasies slipped out into the imagery of the logo.
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    rainbowfarts Female 18-29
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    August 15, 2010 at 11:31 am
    lol I accidentally went to one of their meetings a couple years back. They were inviting people without giving the name so when I showed up and found out it was NOW and they were planning guerrilla warfare on the anti-abortion people I slowly backed out of the room. They still e-mail me O_O
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    chunkymonkie Male 13-17
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    August 15, 2010 at 11:52 am
    lol apj311
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    ROK9 Male 18-29
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    August 15, 2010 at 12:09 pm
    .........
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    J_Action Male 18-29
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    August 15, 2010 at 12:10 pm
    i was thinking of something totally different, but iron works too
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    madest Male 40-49
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    August 15, 2010 at 12:10 pm
    "...found out it was NOW and they were planning guerrilla warfare on the anti-abortion people I slowly backed out of the room."
    --------
    There`s a documentary coming out for download Sept 3rd called Freakonomics I think you should watch it. Abortion may be distasteful but it`s important in more ways than you could imagine.
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    cobrakiller Male 18-29
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    August 15, 2010 at 12:17 pm
    makes sense to me
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    Siyanor Male 18-29
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    August 15, 2010 at 12:19 pm
    Angillion, I thought they were feminists? o.O

    I honestly never cared enough to find out, though, especially since I`m not a woman.
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    slab-of-rage Male 18-29
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    August 15, 2010 at 12:36 pm
    I`m not sure if I`m relieved or disappointed that this wasn`t goatse-related...
  16. Profile photo of Angilion
    Angilion Male 40-49
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    August 15, 2010 at 12:46 pm
    Angillion, I thought they were feminists? o.O

    Yes, they are. And that`s what I described.
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    DrRitchie Male 18-29
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    August 15, 2010 at 12:51 pm
    "There`s a documentary coming out for download Sept 3rd called Freakonomics I think you should watch it. Abortion may be distasteful but it`s important in more ways than you could imagine." That book is amazing. i didn`t know they made a documentary of it.
  18. Profile photo of tainteddeity
    tainteddeity Male 18-29
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    August 15, 2010 at 12:56 pm
    Angilion = An idiot.
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    SmilinSam Female 18-29
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    August 15, 2010 at 1:02 pm
    i agree with tainteddiety
  20. Profile photo of Angilion
    Angilion Male 40-49
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    August 15, 2010 at 1:17 pm
    Angilion = An idiot.

    Try educating yourself. You`ll look less foolish. It`s OK at your age though - I was just as ignorant when I was your age as you are now.

    In fact, at your age I was a feminist. I really believed all the lies, all the stuff contradicting itself, all the entirely fictional "history", all the *faith*. It wasn`t until I was ~18 that I gradually came to realise that it was all bigotry, propaganda and lies, just like any biological group advocacy ideology, and that sexual equality was a vastly superior ideal.
  21. Profile photo of Angilion
    Angilion Male 40-49
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    August 15, 2010 at 1:19 pm
    i agree with tainteddiety

    But you don`t have the excuse of age. You should be old enough to have learned enough to know better.
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    sawdusty Male 40-49
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    August 15, 2010 at 1:25 pm
    Would be more awsome if it was a sandwitch with a kitchen as the back ground
  23. Profile photo of lukas1051
    lukas1051 Male 18-29
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    August 15, 2010 at 1:31 pm
    Feminists are as bad as misogynists. I`m all for gender equality, but it`s possible to support that without being a bitter man-hating hypocrite.
  24. Profile photo of cobrakiller
    cobrakiller Male 18-29
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    August 15, 2010 at 1:40 pm
    feminism is one of the reasons (not the only one) that american youth is becoming worse and worse. with both parents out working there is nobody at home to teach children right from wrong anymore. like myself, many children of the past 20yrs or so have been raised partially by the cable tv babysitter.

    though i may not like/agree with a lot of what angilion says, he does bring up one point here. every "feminist" or "womans power" female i have ever known fell before any man who would put her down or show her domination. all women are strong, but not all want to be stronger or equally as strong as their man. in fact, i believe most do not. this is why women tend to steer towards a-holes who constantly put them down. that last bit however, is just a theory of mine.
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    oxyl Male 30-39
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    August 15, 2010 at 1:42 pm
    go make me a sammich cuz i paid for it
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    dart3rocks Male 13-17
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    August 15, 2010 at 1:43 pm
    this was supposed to be just a simple funny thing and then people had to go be political FYL`s haha
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    Kaylia Female 18-29
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    August 15, 2010 at 1:48 pm
    Ah its cute how some immature back water thinking men think they have it all figured out. I don`t want to dominate my man I was to be his equal. That means if we do the same job i want to get paid the same for it :)
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    MrPeabody Male 30-39
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    August 15, 2010 at 1:56 pm
    The original rejected logo.

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    gorgack2000 Male 13-17
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    August 15, 2010 at 2:04 pm
    "Ah its cute how some immature back water thinking men think they have it all figured out.
    I don`t want to dominate my man I was to be his equal. That means if we do the same job i want to get paid the same for it :)"
    You missed the part where you actually provide an argument in between insulting the opposition and walking off feeling all superior to everyone else, posting a smiley just to show how smart you are.

    (This is from a full supporter of gender equality by the way. Posts like that just really, really grind my gears.)
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    rainbowfarts Female 18-29
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    August 15, 2010 at 2:06 pm
    @madest
    I`m not anti-abortion, I`m just saying they`re a bit too extreme for my tastes.

    but I may look into that documentary. Thanks!
  31. Profile photo of madest
    madest Male 40-49
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    August 15, 2010 at 2:13 pm
    Yeah I dunno... Angillon is old enough to have had a taste of life before feminism. If a desire for higher education and competition leads women to powerful jobs and is subsequently frowned upon by men causing them to criticize "feminism" as a whole then wouldn`t it be the mans problem?

    The time before the womans movement was brutal to women. Courts were twisted against their favor often forcing them to give birth to the rapists baby. On the other hand, I can`t believe that both parents working can be good for a child. You might bemoan being raised by the TV cobrakiller but the TV didn`t do that bad a job.
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    Gortrok Male 18-29
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    August 15, 2010 at 2:19 pm
    Aaaaaactually, that logo kinda looks like a vagina with hands on either side... totally.
  33. Profile photo of Baelzar
    Baelzar Male 40-49
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    August 15, 2010 at 2:27 pm
    Don`t hear much from NOW regarding honor killings, etc.

    But lesbians? You betcha!
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    Skulch Male 70 & Over
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    August 15, 2010 at 2:29 pm
    seriously? an iron? is this 1995?
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    wonky Male 40-49
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    August 15, 2010 at 2:41 pm
    Lets hope they do go International & Regional "IRON" .. nah thats too obvious
  36. Profile photo of Fantom2993
    Fantom2993 Male 18-29
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    August 15, 2010 at 2:50 pm
    Gortrok, what kind of vaginas have you been looking at?!?!?!
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    5Cats Male 50-59
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    August 15, 2010 at 3:14 pm
    My theory is that `feminists` confuse the word "equality" with the word "identical".
    And, last time I looked, men and women were NOT identical.
    Might have changed since then, it`s been a while...
    (I tooka "Psychology of Sex Differences" course, taught by the most intelligent feminist I ever met! HALF what I learned is ignored by `feminists` AND if you even dare suggest that men`s & women`s brains are different you`ll BURN baby! lolz!)
    (and get fired from your university if you`re a professor, eh?)
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    Gerry1of1 Male 50-59
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    August 15, 2010 at 3:38 pm
    how perfect is that!
  39. Profile photo of SuperSmash
    SuperSmash Male 18-29
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    August 15, 2010 at 3:38 pm
    Ladies, ladies, ladies...men didn`t choose to be the dominant and powerful gender, nature just made it that way. So, get over it.
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    savapenne Female 18-29
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    August 15, 2010 at 3:44 pm
    lesbians are performing honor killings now?
  41. Profile photo of Angilion
    Angilion Male 40-49
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    August 15, 2010 at 4:04 pm
    Ah its cute how some immature back water thinking men think they have it all figured out. I don`t want to dominate my man I was to be his equal. That means if we do the same job i want to get paid the same for it :)

    Thank you for providing a perfect example. In just a few lines, you show you`re patronising, condescending, ignorant of what feminism is or lying about it and ignorant of the position you think you`re arguing against.

    You also repeat propaganda that you either believe without thought and have never even considered checking, or you`re lying in order to promote that propaganda.

    You are indeed a feminist.
  42. Profile photo of Angilion
    Angilion Male 40-49
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    August 15, 2010 at 4:10 pm
    Yeah I dunno... Angillon is old enough to have had a taste of life before feminism.

    I`m not *that* old. Feminism in its current form dates back to the mid-late 19th century in the UK. It didn`t gain much power until the 1970s, and at that time I was only a toddler.

    If a desire for higher education and competition leads women to powerful jobs and is subsequently frowned upon by men causing them to criticize "feminism" as a whole then wouldn`t it be the mans problem?

    Are you lying about my position or just incapable of understanding it?

    "sexual equality is a vastly superior ideal" is not difficult to understand in itself, but it`s an alien concept to someone who still follows the lying doublespeak of feminism.
  43. Profile photo of Angilion
    Angilion Male 40-49
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    August 15, 2010 at 4:14 pm
    Ladies, ladies, ladies...men didn`t choose to be the dominant and powerful gender, nature just made it that way. So, get over it.

    That`s a big wooden spoon you`re stirring with!
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    5ofclubs Male 18-29
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    August 15, 2010 at 4:14 pm
    looks more like a big gaping vagina
  45. Profile photo of madest
    madest Male 40-49
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    August 15, 2010 at 4:21 pm
    What is it about feminism that you so hate Angillon?
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    Angilion Male 40-49
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    August 15, 2010 at 4:22 pm
    My theory is that `feminists` confuse the word "equality" with the word "identical".

    Your theory is wrong. Feminists with any clout are not confused about the word "equality" - they know it`s a useful tool to promote sexism and that`s what they use it for.

    The central ideal of feminism is the same as the central idea for all forms of politics based on biological grouping - defining everyone on the basis of whether or not they have the "right" biological characteristics, ever-increasing special treatment for people with the "right" biology who conform to the central tenets of the ideology and no consideration at all on a socio-political scale for "other", i.e. those who don`t have the "right" biological characteristics.

    Advocating that honestly would put a feminist out of the mainstream. Calling it equality gives them more power and undermines the biggest threat to femini
  47. Profile photo of Angilion
    Angilion Male 40-49
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    August 15, 2010 at 4:23 pm
    Cut off, bah:

    Advocating that honestly would put a feminist out of the mainstream. Calling it equality gives them more power and undermines the biggest threat to feminism - people advocating sexual equality.
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    Angilion Male 40-49
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    August 15, 2010 at 4:28 pm
    What is it about feminism that you so hate Angillon?

    It`s not the sexism, although feminism is utterly sexist in every way at every level and I hate that.

    It`s not the hypocrisy, although feminism is utterly hypocritical and I hate that.

    It`s the foul, underhanded, slimy way that feminism opposes sexual equality by usurping and corrupting it, like a virus infiltrating a host cell and using it to make more of the virus, or a parasite that sucks the life from its host and controls it, or perhaps more like cancer.

    In short, it`s how it has redefined the sexism and hypocrisy as sexual equality, thus destroying the idea of sexual equality while using it as a shield and disguise. It`s disgustingly parasitical and foul.

    To make it clear:

    I am opposed to feminism because I advocate sexual equality.
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    Fatninja01 Male 30-39
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    August 15, 2010 at 4:52 pm
    ha ha ha! i was is 5of clubs through it was a vag, but it could be an iron as well!
  50. Profile photo of Levyn
    Levyn Male 18-29
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    August 15, 2010 at 4:53 pm
    Guys, don`t be sexist, broads hate that.
  51. Profile photo of madest
    madest Male 40-49
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    August 15, 2010 at 4:59 pm
    From the US perspective the ladies were merely fighting for their constitutionally protected rights. Equality is a slippery slope and there`s really no safe place to draw the line. For every job one man does another may not do as well, but rest assured they`d be payed the same. Women today make a fraction of what men make. The women who lead the movement need to be loud obnoxious blow-hards to get attention and make young girls dream. This is a horrible design for a logo. It should be something a bit more girly.
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    sparrowpants Female 13-17
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    August 15, 2010 at 5:34 pm
    Good luck getting a girlfriend, non-nice individual.
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    IkeRay Male 18-29
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    August 15, 2010 at 5:46 pm
    "For every job one man does another may not do as well, but rest assured they`d be payed the same. Women today make a fraction of what men make. "

    yet, even if a white man can do the job 2x`s better than any other applicants, by law the company has to have X minorities and women, so they`ll get worse work, for equivalent pay, simply because of movements from organizations like this.

    don`t read this as a racism thing or a sexism thing, there are plenty of places that WILL hire a white guy until they HAVE to meet their quota, but these organizations don`t help the movement forward, their outlandish behavior typically makes many look down/create stereotypes for those kinds of people (women/minorities)
  54. Profile photo of ShadowMoses
    ShadowMoses Male 18-29
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    August 15, 2010 at 6:17 pm
    Hell yeah, women deserve respect and love, I can iron just as well as any other guy or girl, goes for any other stereotypical chore for women.
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    madest Male 40-49
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    August 15, 2010 at 6:27 pm
    ...by law the company has to have X minorities and women.
    -------
    There is no such law. A citizen can however file a discrimination complaint if said employer has a history of refusing to employ the equally qualified minority or female.
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    Fugglystick Male 18-29
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    August 15, 2010 at 7:08 pm
    i hate it when people say women make a fraction of what men make. it all depends on how big the fraction is. say a dollar is 100/100. i wouldnt be to upset with 99/100. still justa fraction of 100
  57. Profile photo of Altaru
    Altaru Male 18-29
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    August 15, 2010 at 7:18 pm
    I`m all for women being equal.

    I`ve actually supported a few because I knew they were better than the guy that came out on top over them.

    I also cook (I`m not a bad cook either), clean (not very well, mind you, but I try T_T), do laundry (I don`t iron, though... I have no clothes I need to), and other housework things.

    I EVEN GET OFF MY FAT ASS AND MAKE MY OWN SAMMICHES! *GASP*

    And those are habits I intend to keep even when I`m living together with my lady.

    But still, equality and feminism don`t go together very well. From what I`ve seen, it`s not about being EQUAL anymore, it`s about being BETTER, just because of what you have under your clothes...

    *sigh* why is the world retarded?
  58. Profile photo of pmarren
    pmarren Male 40-49
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    August 15, 2010 at 7:25 pm
    LOL, too bad they couldn`t make their logo look like a blowjob and a nice meatloaf.
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    oboechick Female 18-29
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    August 15, 2010 at 7:39 pm
    @Fugglystick: Unfortunately, that "fraction" is 7/10. For women with the same qualifications, doing the same work.
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    Jui37 Female 18-29
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    August 15, 2010 at 8:00 pm
    @Altaru-That was a very nice rant. And I laughed at `*sigh* why is the world retarded?` But we WILL NEVER KNOW.
  61. Profile photo of 5Cats
    5Cats Male 50-59
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    August 15, 2010 at 8:04 pm
    they know it`s a useful tool to promote sexism
    Well DUH! I`m talking about the unwashed masses, the common `folks` who say they believe in & support `feminism` (in quotes because I`m refering not to true feminist beliefs, like Angilions, but `feminist beliefs` proported by the N.O.W.)
    Why do people continue to spout the "equal pay, for work of equal value" line, even though it`s totally bunk?
    Why do idiots like madest continue to repeat the propoganda about "women earning a fraction of men`s wages" which is debunked time & time again?
    Why doesn`t some smart company hire ONLY women and pay them less? Thus making MORE profits? Lolz! Why don`t shareholders DEMAND this?
    Answer: Because it`s a myth.
  62. Profile photo of 5Cats
    5Cats Male 50-59
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    August 15, 2010 at 8:11 pm
    obechick & madest: If you compare ALL men and ALL women in the workforce, it`s 7/10. But there are LOTS of other factors, other than gender, at work here!
    (see what I did there?)
    If you compare full time men to full time women it`s more like 90%. The largest reason for that difference is senority. Most of the rest is due to overtime, which men work a lot more (within the same job I mean, not in the overall workforce).
    So go ahead, tell me why a man with 15 years experience should get IDENTICAL pay to a woman with only 5 years.
    (see what I did there? equal? identical? aw skipit!)
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    Skim Female 13-17
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    August 15, 2010 at 8:15 pm
    IRON WOMAN.
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    QueenZira Female 18-29
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    August 15, 2010 at 8:28 pm
    Angilion, you`re really and truly terrified that some big Freudian Amazon is coming to slice your balls off aren`t you? Chill out, none of us are interested in your microscopic cojones.
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    FriskyRonnie Female 18-29
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    August 15, 2010 at 9:34 pm
    oh wow

    you make one little sexist joke and bam...the comments are filled with paragraphs
  66. Profile photo of Kratos-Zan
    Kratos-Zan Male 18-29
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    August 15, 2010 at 9:46 pm
    LOL

    period.
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    66stang Male 18-29
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    August 15, 2010 at 10:21 pm
    this made me lol
  68. Profile photo of Angilion
    Angilion Male 40-49
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    August 15, 2010 at 10:27 pm
    Angilion, you`re really and truly terrified that some big Freudian Amazon is coming to slice your balls off aren`t you? Chill out, none of us are interested in your microscopic cojones.

    Thank you for showing your character and your fear when someone points out how much you`re lying. Feminism rests on lies - you know that if enough people point that out, feminism collapses.

    You needn`t worry, though. You can fool enough people enough of the time.

    Your fantasies are weird and disturbing, but I`m not personally bothered because I don`t have any contact with you.
  69. Profile photo of Angilion
    Angilion Male 40-49
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    August 15, 2010 at 10:30 pm
    @Fugglystick: Unfortunately, that "fraction" is 7/10. For women with the same qualifications, doing the same work.

    And this is another lie.

    Don`t take my word for it. I`m not asking anyone to take my word for anything. I`m just hoping some people will give maybe a fraction of a second`s thought to the possibility of considering checking "facts" from feminism, rather that mindlessly accepting them as gospel. Just every now and again.
  70. Profile photo of Angilion
    Angilion Male 40-49
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    August 15, 2010 at 10:34 pm
    By the way, QueenZira, are you obsessed with penises as well as testicles? That`s common amongst feminists. I`d feel sorry for them if they weren`t so determined to do so much harm.

    I used to think that Freud was talking utter rubbish with his "penis envy" stuff. Then feminists like QueenZira convinced me that in some cases he`s right.
  71. Profile photo of Angilion
    Angilion Male 40-49
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    August 15, 2010 at 10:43 pm
    But still, equality and feminism don`t go together very well. From what I`ve seen, it`s not about being EQUAL anymore

    It never was. It can`t be. An ideology that rigidly seperates humanity into two groups and advocates rights, social and political consideration for one of those groups only cannot possibly be about equality between those two groups. It can temporarily, partially and coincidentally overlap with advocating equality in some ways, but it is not advocating equality.

    *sigh* why is the world retarded?

    Intelligence seems to generally degrade with an increased number of people in a group. It`s like some sort of inverted hive mind thing.

    Biological group identity and the resulting irrational prejudice seems ingrained. Maybe it`s a throwback to packs of prehuman hominids competing for the most fruitful trees or whatever. Bloody stupid.
  72. Profile photo of Homegrown71
    Homegrown71 Male 18-29
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    August 15, 2010 at 11:03 pm
    Equality is just not fair, women don`t get to be equal and have titties (real legit non-fatty titties) They don`t need equality cause they can gold-dig, get out of traffic violations and work at hooters...
  73. Profile photo of CrakrJak
    CrakrJak Male 40-49
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    August 16, 2010 at 12:24 am
    Homegrown71: You are correct, Women have most of the advantages now, Except a few places and situations. Men & Women will never be `Equal` because the sexes have physical differences. The fastest male runners will always be quicker then the fastest women runners, The strongest men will always be able to lift more than the strongest women, etc... But women get to birth children, and the hand that rocks the cradle will rule the world.
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    I-IS-BORED Male 18-29
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    August 16, 2010 at 12:29 am
    guys don`t worry, look at the newest generation of girls growing up, these organizations won`t mean anything in 20 years
  75. Profile photo of Mantolwen
    Mantolwen Female 18-29
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    August 16, 2010 at 12:53 am
    Women aren`t equal to men, except on computer games. :D But in the real world, women and men have different skills. Women are - in general, although there are exceptions - less strong, better at childcare, and can multi-task. Until women and men have similar results at events like the Olympics, it will stay that way.
    Besides that, we view the opposite sex differently - men are all about the outward appearance, and women are about a combination of outward appearance and personality.
  76. Profile photo of belunan
    belunan Male 30-39
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    August 16, 2010 at 1:01 am
    "Women have most of the advantages now"

    I disagree. The fight for equality evolved into a sense of entitlement: equality when it`s convenient while keeping the expectation of chivalry. Case in point, how many women do you know that want their male date to pay for dinner? Now, how many women do you know campaigning for women to be required to register for Selective Service when they turn 18?

    Women have been riding this mentality for the last 40 years and it`s forced men to become more self-sufficient.

    "But women get to birth children"

    Find a male that`s recently graduated from college with an employable degree. He`s probably accustomed to taking care of himself more than a man of 50 years ago (due to the aforementioned reason) and ask him how much this matters to him.

    Just saying.
  77. Profile photo of Angilion
    Angilion Male 40-49
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    August 16, 2010 at 1:26 am
    But in the real world, women and men have different skills. Women are - in general, although there are exceptions - less strong, better at childcare, and can multi-task.

    The "in general" is a crucial caveat that`s usually ignored - you do it yourself in the preceeding sentence.

    There are no absolutes that aren`t directly related to the biological characteristics used to define sex. Even what is probably the strongest tendency towards difference - physical size - has numerous exceptions and huge individual variation.

    That`s my key point - *individual*. It doesn`t really make any sense to lump men together as one group and women together as one group except in a few aspects of medicine.

    Many of the supposed absolute differences are at best trends and often non-existent. Like multi-tasking. It`s just another baseless sexist stereotype.
  78. Profile photo of Angilion
    Angilion Male 40-49
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    August 16, 2010 at 1:27 am
    Besides that, we view the opposite sex differently

    Because we`re conditioned to, as shown by how much the conditioning changes from place to place and time to time. It isn`t necessary nor is based on any objective reality.
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    eh1eh Male 40-49
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    August 16, 2010 at 3:08 am
    Hey. It looks like that logo is stretched over a pregnant belly. lol!;-)
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    meepmaker Male 30-39
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    August 16, 2010 at 6:56 am
    XD
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    QueenZira Female 18-29
    2228 posts
    August 16, 2010 at 7:11 am
    Angilion- just because the school of thought is called Feminism and seeks to rectify the gross inequality of half of the human race going on for I dunno, all of history, that does not mean it is a hate organization. No more so than is the NAACP, (National Association for the Advancement of Colored People).

    Your irrational fear and ad hominems reveal nothing more than the results of a childish sense of challenged male privilege. Feminism has also benefited men as well, if we hadn`t started focusing on family leave we would never have found out men are healthier and tend to avoid death from heart disease when they spend more time with their families. If we hadn`t challenged the societal message that men ought always to be dominating, aggressive and violent, how would men ever be able to qualify for jobs like pre school teacher?
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    QueenZira Female 18-29
    2228 posts
    August 16, 2010 at 7:17 am
    Again what is this "Code of FemDoctrine" you seem to be constantly referencing, is it anything like The Protocols of the Elders of Zion?

    We Feminists are a varied and gumptious lot, which is why you`ll find some that say porn is empowering for women, and some who hold that porn is harmful to women. There are thousands of Feminist thinkers, everyone from Susan B. Anthony to Mary Daly, whose ideas is it exactly you have a problem with? We are Ecofeminists, thealogical feminists, GLBT feminists, the list goes on and on....
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    Altaru Male 18-29
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    August 16, 2010 at 8:20 am
    No more so than is the NAACP, (National Association for the Advancement of Colored People).
    Oh oh oh... You just f*cked your point completely...

    There MAY have been a point in the PAST that they had some credibility, but anymore they`re just as racist as the KKK... They just do it in a more sneaky, underhanded way...

    which is why you`ll find some that say porn is empowering for women,
    Unless it`s Japanese porn, in which case it`s pretty much ALL harmful to women...
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    QueenZira Female 18-29
    2228 posts
    August 16, 2010 at 8:25 am
    Altaru, if you`re mentioning the Shirley Sherrod case all you`d need to do is find her statement in whole, it was all over the news. But aside from that, I too like the art form that is anime, nice to see you enter the discussion. :)
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    Nocciolina Female 18-29
    1623 posts
    August 16, 2010 at 9:12 am
    Wow... I was going to make a witty comment, but I`m speechless
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    madduck Female 50-59
    7560 posts
    August 16, 2010 at 9:36 am
    What QueenZira said and then some!
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    Glowy Male 18-29
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    August 16, 2010 at 9:57 am
    I am a masculist and I lol`d.
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    Vindictive Female 18-29
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    August 16, 2010 at 10:59 am
    I hate feminists so hard. Unless you live in a country where women don`t have rights, shove your feminism up your cooch and get back in the kitchen.

    I can say it because i`m a lady. :D
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    Altaru Male 18-29
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    August 16, 2010 at 12:23 pm
    Vindictive...

    I love you, lol. Not just for this post, past ones too.

    And QueenZira...
    I wasn`t just talking about the hentai, lol. I can show you plenty of proof that even the live-action porn from Japan has virtually no respect for women... Case-in-point, ever heard of Bukakke? And I won`t even START to get into some of the worse stuff I`ve seen...

    That aside, I LOVE anime and manga. Actually, just yesterday I obtained a whole bunch of Fruits Basket manga. Best day ever.
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    JeffBeau Male 30-39
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    August 16, 2010 at 12:38 pm
    The differences aren`t conditioning. They`re biologically hard-wired.

    This is wiring that can`t be programmed away, at least not without severe emotional and psychological damage to the subject in the experiment.
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    SPARTAKITTY Female 18-29
    2120 posts
    August 16, 2010 at 12:43 pm
    HAAAAA!
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    IssaTheFiend Female 18-29
    2353 posts
    August 16, 2010 at 2:15 pm
    I was expecting it was going to look like a vag.

    Also everyone knows Japanese porn is the worst. (Or the best depending on how jaded you are or if you`ve seen so much porn normal boning doesn`t work anymore)
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    krabkat Female 18-29
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    August 16, 2010 at 2:28 pm
    Gotta love I-A-B for one reason alone: The plethora of opinions and discussions; the depth of emotional investment put into a single picture that was meant for a laugh! Love, love, love it!
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    ElSombrero Male 13-17
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    August 16, 2010 at 3:25 pm
    I hate feminists. I hate masculinists. Either extreme irks me... in anything.

    Yay for Nuetralism!
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    QueenZira Female 18-29
    2228 posts
    August 16, 2010 at 4:08 pm
    I hope you didn`t think I was talking about hentai :-/ *blush*

    Broadly, I agree with the porn is harmful side of Feminist thought, especially when something bad happens to the female character. However I have become more accepting of the Idea that it may indeed be helpful for women raised with puritanical attitudes toward sex.

    On a side note my favorite animes are Fullmetal Alchemist and Bleach, although Boondocks is pretty great too, if it`s not considered an anime it should be.
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    Angilion Male 40-49
    12387 posts
    August 16, 2010 at 4:31 pm
    Your irrational fear and ad hominems reveal nothing more than the results of a childish sense of challenged male privilege.

    I`ve quoted that because it`s a perfect example of your projection and hypocrisy.

    You`re the one using ad hominem and you`re the one who`s so angrily opposed to sexual equality, which shows that you`re the one with a childish sense of privilege that you consider threatened by equality.

    You`re also lying. You`re obviously literate, so you must have seen my repeated statements in favour of sexual equality.
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    Angilion Male 40-49
    12387 posts
    August 16, 2010 at 4:35 pm
    Again what is this "Code of FemDoctrine" you seem to be constantly referencing,

    Either you`re deluded enough to believe that entirely false statement or you`re just lying again.

    Why are you so opposed to sexual equality? Do you think that men are inferior and therefore don`t deserve equality? Or do you think that women are inferior and can`t cope with equality?

    And yes, I am well aware that there are numerous strains of feminism, some opposed to others on some issues. But they all have core values in common because they`re all feminism. Unless you`re arguing that the word "feminism" has no meaning at all, your argument is senseless. Even if you were arguing that, you`d still be wrong because the words and deeds of different strains of feminism show that they do indeed share common core values.
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    Angilion Male 40-49
    12387 posts
    August 16, 2010 at 4:38 pm
    The differences aren`t conditioning. They`re biologically hard-wired.

    This is wiring that can`t be programmed away, at least not without severe emotional and psychological damage to the subject in the experiment.

    That`s a statement of faith, nothing more.

    It`s also a statement that logic implies you don`t believe yourself.

    If you really believed that every man was the same and every woman was the same and that it was all biologically hardwired, you would have no objection to removing sexed social conditioning (i.e. the programming that already exists) because you`d be sure that everyone would conform to whatever stereotypes you believe in.
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    QueenZira Female 18-29
    2228 posts
    August 16, 2010 at 5:23 pm
    Okay, that`s not quite the vid I was looking for, but this is.
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    QueenZira Female 18-29
    2228 posts
    August 16, 2010 at 5:26 pm
    You know even _dudes_ are feminists and have been throughout out history. We have much honor and respect for folks like Bob Macelvaine and John Stuart Mill. Beloved wisdom and support from those of the nonboobed variety.
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    Angilion Male 40-49
    12387 posts
    August 16, 2010 at 5:27 pm
    You know even _dudes_ are feminists and have been feminists throughout our history.

    And if you had been reading my posts rather than making stuff up from your own imagination and pretending it`s from me, you would already know that I used to be one of them.

    Then I recovered from my infection with feminism and started advocating sexual equality instead.
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    QueenZira Female 18-29
    2228 posts
    August 16, 2010 at 5:30 pm
    You changed your semantics?

    Good for you, wanna a cookie?
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    Angilion Male 40-49
    12387 posts
    August 16, 2010 at 5:36 pm
    As for the idea that feminism can`t be sexist because *some* feminists will allow men to be considered feminists...seriously, does anyone believe that rubbish? There`s a huge difference between purpose and membership. It`s like saying that advocating for lions isn`t about advocating for lions because it`s not only lions doing it. It`s silly.

    There`s a racist and fascist political group in this country called the BNP. The central purpose of the BNP is to advocate solely for the people they consider to be British and create a Britain populated solely by those people. The criteria are laid out in their constitution - "white" and descended from specific groups of "whites". The BNP will allow anyone to be a member *as long as they support the core values of the BNP, including that central one*. So...does that mean the BNP is not racist because it`s open to everyone?
  104. Profile photo of Angilion
    Angilion Male 40-49
    12387 posts
    August 16, 2010 at 5:37 pm
    You changed your semantics?

    Good for you, wanna a cookie?

    I changed my entire philosophy. If you think that`s semantics, you`re very stupid indeed. I think you`re not that stupid.
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    QueenZira Female 18-29
    2228 posts
    August 16, 2010 at 5:46 pm
    I don`t get the comparison to the BNP, seriously I don`t. The central tenets of any feminism are working for the equality and self respect of women (and men) while promoting a greater understanding of how sex and gender influence human relationships. We don`t embrace a "master gender" nor do we search for some kind of twisted "purity."

    Why do so many right wing ideologues try to portray this as some kind of zero sum "war" between the sexes? Because they have an interest in sowing discord and causing what should essentially be two of the greatest allies, men and women, to become two of the most needlessly hostile foes.
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    5Cats Male 50-59
    32813 posts
    August 16, 2010 at 6:44 pm
    In university, in 1984, I was part of the "gamers club" we played D&D and wargames, eh?
    In our `official application` for status (so we could book empty rooms to play in) we wrote "no schmoos" because there was this ONE GUY who was build just like a schmoo! And he was SO ANNOYING we didn`t want him joining out geeky group.
    He was like a `black hole` of anti-fun.
    ANYHOW we got taken to task for "being exclusivist".
    We pointed out the the University "Wombyn`s Center" (sic) excluded men.
    The ensuing half-hour lecture on feminism and all it`s glorious benifits only ended when I interrupted and pointed out that "schmoos are ficticious animals".
    We got our charter. I learned ALL I needed to know about the "ivory tower mentality" in that meeting.
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    NewYorkHippi Female 13-17
    151 posts
    August 17, 2010 at 11:53 am
    haha really funny...men don`t have brains seriously!
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    mrbenn Male 30-39
    58 posts
    August 17, 2010 at 2:43 pm
    This is what a feminist looks like
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    Cookie420 Male 18-29
    55 posts
    August 18, 2010 at 8:14 pm
    Wait..so there`s MORE than just one of them outside of the kitchen? Okay guys, we`re gonna need some scented candles and a lot of laundry to lure `em all back.
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    I-IS-BORED Male 18-29
    2419 posts
    August 18, 2010 at 9:17 pm
    QueenZira you`ve missed angillion`s point entirely, he`s FOR EQUALITY, he`s against feminism, because many `feminists` actually do hate men or believe all men should be programmed to be feminine because they see something wrong with masculinity
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    Webb03 Female 18-29
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    August 19, 2010 at 8:37 pm
    Ahaha @ Cookie420 =]

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