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320 Responses to Religion: Which One Is The Most Believable? [Pic]

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    fancylad Male 30-39
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    August 29, 2010 at 12:51 pm
    Link: Religion: Which One Is The Most Believable? - Not so fast there, churchy.
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    regediT Male 18-29
    716 posts
    August 29, 2010 at 12:59 pm
    Let the nerd battles commence
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    Discobiscuit Male 18-29
    542 posts
    August 29, 2010 at 12:59 pm
    THESE AREN`T F*CKING FUNNY AT ALL

    -athiest
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    fabarati Male 18-29
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    August 29, 2010 at 1:01 pm
    Seriously? Seriously?!
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    Hedanito Male 18-29
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    August 29, 2010 at 1:02 pm
    Unless you agree none are valid.
    Zing!

    Let the flame wars BEGIN!!!
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    Sidragasum Male 18-29
    169 posts
    August 29, 2010 at 1:03 pm
    Incoming poo storm.
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    snoopdawgg Male 18-29
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    August 29, 2010 at 1:05 pm
    Buddhists believe to not believe in any God or similar beings.
    That is the absolute enlightenment that created the religion.
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    Mhackqz Male 18-29
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    August 29, 2010 at 1:07 pm
    Moslems? really?
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    Zepher Female 18-29
    414 posts
    August 29, 2010 at 1:08 pm
    now put out your hand because you just earned 15 lashes with the ruler
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    CrakrJak Male 40-49
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    August 29, 2010 at 1:09 pm
    Wow, 2 religion posts back-to-back. Is Fancy that desperate for page views ?
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    The_Garuness Male 18-29
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    August 29, 2010 at 1:09 pm
    yaaaaaay, another religious vs atheist argument is brewing(!)
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    M3ntal1313 Male 18-29
    449 posts
    August 29, 2010 at 1:10 pm
    It seems like every other post on this site is pro-atheist. Atheism does not cure my boredom!
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    ultimakewl Male 18-29
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    August 29, 2010 at 1:16 pm
    even if islam is correct i still doubt there will be any moslems in heaven
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    IceDragon77 Male 18-29
    490 posts
    August 29, 2010 at 1:17 pm
    Really? Is this what I-A-B is coming to? =/ They must be getting really desperate.

    (Not to mention any christian who knows anything would have better arguments.)
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    GeFeldz Male 18-29
    135 posts
    August 29, 2010 at 1:19 pm
    Arguing religion with a truly religious person is futile, as they are convinced their faith is the right one and thus irrefutible. If they back down, their soul will go to their religions` bad place instead of their good place. This comic was awesome!
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    littlepete50 Male 18-29
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    August 29, 2010 at 1:19 pm
    Worst post evar. And I`m an atheist.
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    Nick98 Male 13-17
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    August 29, 2010 at 1:19 pm
    @Mhackqz

    http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Muslim
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    boredest1 Male 18-29
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    August 29, 2010 at 1:21 pm
    Technically, Christians don`t claim a man is a god. They claim he is the son of god.
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    auburnjunky Male 30-39
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    August 29, 2010 at 1:28 pm
    +1 to bordest1
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    McMatthewL Male 13-17
    113 posts
    August 29, 2010 at 1:29 pm
    Why cant we just all get along like happy pixies and unicorns
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    dax2009 Female 50-59
    322 posts
    August 29, 2010 at 1:32 pm
    bordest1 - Technically, Christians DO claim a man (Jesus) is God. Only BEGOTTEN (i.e. `of the same nature`) son of God.
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    Webz Male 18-29
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    August 29, 2010 at 1:33 pm
    Reminds me of Cracked`s article on political cartoons.

    Read point 3.
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    ElSombrero Male 13-17
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    August 29, 2010 at 1:33 pm
    bordest, Roman Catholic`s believe that there are 3 parts to god, the Father (God) the son (Jesus) and the Holy Spirit.

    "we" believe Jesus is both man and god.
    _________________________

    No set of beliefs, athiesm included, is 100% correct.
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    CrakrJak Male 40-49
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    August 29, 2010 at 1:33 pm
    boredest1: Technically we claim he is the son of God, Was crucified to pay mankind`s debt of sin, Was resurrected and sits at the right hand of God until he comes back to Earth to defeat evil and reign on Earth for a 1000 years.
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    APJ311 Male 13-17
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    August 29, 2010 at 1:34 pm
    I agree with GeFeldz, arguing is useless (shown by infinity pages of comments with people restating the same things again and again in anything vs. Christians posts).
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    danthew Male 18-29
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    August 29, 2010 at 1:39 pm
    Oh, so you get retarded Atheists too. Good to know.
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    TheSharpest Male 18-29
    1768 posts
    August 29, 2010 at 1:41 pm
    Not another of these f*cking things. Let`s all just ignore this please.
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    sheaton319 Male 18-29
    560 posts
    August 29, 2010 at 1:42 pm
    this site is going down the pooter
    every day there are posts like this
    or about america and the mosque
    i hate all religions
    but muslims more cause they like to blow people up
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    wwOOOOp Female 13-17
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    August 29, 2010 at 1:42 pm
    Im a christian. Anddd... I have to say I accept everyone. Whoever that little girl is was raised by the idiots who take the bible literally. I have never actually met a christian who thinks like that except for my grandmother. My 80 year old, senile grandmother.
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    IamBored29 Male 18-29
    648 posts
    August 29, 2010 at 1:44 pm
    booooo religion
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    Wtfidklol Male 13-17
    193 posts
    August 29, 2010 at 1:45 pm
    OH, STRAW MAN.
    YOU`RE WONDERFUL.
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    Nocciolina Female 18-29
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    August 29, 2010 at 1:47 pm
    And there, when she says that last thing I`d either look at her in hope that she realizes what she just said or just punch her in the face
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    Gerry1of1 Male 50-59
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    August 29, 2010 at 1:49 pm
    I believe in fairies!
    I believe in fairies!
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    AnarchistGod Male 70 & Over
    893 posts
    August 29, 2010 at 1:49 pm
    This is stupid and I`m not just saying that to join the bandwagon.
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    Nidonemo Male 18-29
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    August 29, 2010 at 1:53 pm
    Argue, argue, argue.
    Rage, rage, rage.

    After all this time, minds stay the same.

    Post, bitch, and moan.
    Grimace, rage, and vent.

    Don`t you think that all this effort and time, has someplace to be better spent?
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    splurbyburbl Male 30-39
    2798 posts
    August 29, 2010 at 1:58 pm
    Atheists don`t have this problem. The only problem we do have is trying to put up with all the religious crazies. Which would mean, if you believe in God just a little bit... then you are just plain crazy.
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    splurbyburbl Male 30-39
    2798 posts
    August 29, 2010 at 1:58 pm
    "I believe in fairies!
    I believe in fairies!"

    LOL, you are a fairy
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    a1butcher Male 40-49
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    August 29, 2010 at 2:02 pm
    I laughed at the fact she`s a blonde
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    dave32891 Male 18-29
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    August 29, 2010 at 2:03 pm
    i`m beginning to think fancylad is a big believer in Atheism
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    Micktrex Male 18-29
    141 posts
    August 29, 2010 at 2:06 pm
    I googled `Moslem` to discover it`s a variant on the word Muslim. Huh. Learn somemthing new every day.
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    AnarchistGod Male 70 & Over
    893 posts
    August 29, 2010 at 2:09 pm
    @Nidonemo
    Don`t you think that all this effort and time, has someplace to be better spent?
    Yes, but I do hope that you don`t think people are able to do "better" things all the time. Sometimes there`s just nothing to do. Sometimes it`s fun to post, bitch, moan, grimace, rage, and vent. So don`t give us your "couldn`t you be doing something better" bullsh*t.
    Please don`t take this the wrong way.
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    AnarchistGod Male 70 & Over
    893 posts
    August 29, 2010 at 2:10 pm
    @M3ntal1313
    Atheism does not cure my boredom!
    THANK YOU!!!
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    xKiesix Female 18-29
    448 posts
    August 29, 2010 at 2:11 pm
    ....I`m still bored.
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    lukas1051 Male 18-29
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    August 29, 2010 at 2:15 pm
    They`re all as BS as each other. And I don`t know why I should believe one more than any other, just because I`m white. I wonder how many Christians would be Muslims or Hindus, were they brought up in the respective countries those religions are popular in - I`m guessing 100%. It`s not about what makes more sense, it`s about the people who brainwashed you, nothing more.
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    Lblaxplaya20 Male 18-29
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    August 29, 2010 at 2:25 pm
    One: There is no saying that people from other religions won`t have a place in Heaven. In fact, it is a well known belief that if you live a good charitable life you can make it into Heaven due to God`s mercy.
    Two: Jesus was not just a man, He was the reincarnate of God being both fully man and fully divine.
    Three: If you`re an atheist, why bother trying to ruin the thing that makes people strive to be good? If you think there is nothing for you after you die, why bother? I`m not trying to insult atheists here, but please don`t bring others down with you.
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    Brassbull Male 30-39
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    August 29, 2010 at 2:32 pm



    if you post a comic just as lame, does it cancel the lameness out?
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    gorgack2000 Male 13-17
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    August 29, 2010 at 2:33 pm
    I think fancy`s just posting offensive cartoons now so he gets more hits (and therefore advertising money).
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    zeebeedee Male 50-59
    614 posts
    August 29, 2010 at 2:34 pm
    My religion is best. I`m a pedestrian.
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    splurbyburbl Male 30-39
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    August 29, 2010 at 2:38 pm
    "If you`re an atheist, why bother trying to ruin the thing that makes people strive to be good?"

    There is not one single thing any religion has ever, EVER done that is positive in this world... in history. And, yes, I am counting all the times someone donated money for an operation, every time someone saved a life in God`s name, etc. etc.

    All the little tiny good deeds some religious people do only serve to gauruntee the existence of those religions in the first place. The very same religions world wide that are the cause of death, destruction, war, atrocities, human rites violations, shariah politics, holocausts... and on and on.

    So to answer your question, since I am an atheist, if I had the power I would ruin all of it forever.
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    AnarchistGod Male 70 & Over
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    August 29, 2010 at 2:38 pm
    @Brassbull
    if you post a comic just as lame, does it cancel the lameness out?
    I don`t think that`s how it works.
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    incubus_inc Male 18-29
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    August 29, 2010 at 2:39 pm
    I think we`re all just afraid of dying. We all don`t want to be nothing again. Call it what you will, people just want a slice of hope pie.
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    kerryfairy82 Female 18-29
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    August 29, 2010 at 2:44 pm
    gorgack2000: yes, he does seem to like inciting religious debates
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    Creabhain Male 40-49
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    August 29, 2010 at 2:45 pm
    @Lblaxplaya20 "If you`re an atheist, why bother trying to ruin the thing that makes people strive to be good?"

    People strive to be good for all sorts of reasons. You seem to think only religion makes people want to be good and that atheists have no motivation to be moral. You are mistaken.
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    aseirinn Male 70 & Over
    877 posts
    August 29, 2010 at 2:47 pm
    oh yes!...a `god` debate on IAB, wonder who`ll win?....I love it, sluggin it out till the bitter end, its SO exiting i can hardly wait for the winner...and everyones watchin...it`s it`s the greatest show on earth/ever told...wow peeps, it`s groundbreakin` for it`s time man, goin` down in the annals man...
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    Fatninja01 Male 30-39
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    August 29, 2010 at 2:48 pm
    Wow 2 religious posts consecutive on iAB!
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    Brassbull Male 30-39
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    August 29, 2010 at 2:51 pm
    @Anarchist God

    guess not


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    Nidonemo Male 18-29
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    August 29, 2010 at 2:52 pm
    Anarchist: I meant like contributing something creative. Arts, stories, humor, make something positive.

    "My religion is best. I`m a pedestrian."

    I`d love to see your ideology. XD
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    Sillii Female 13-17
    332 posts
    August 29, 2010 at 2:52 pm
    Honestly, I believe in God and I believe He created the world to make sense. Hence, science.

    Honestly, to me, religion is the betterment of oneself. To perpetually improve for oneself and others. Heaven is a bonus--more of a benefit if one dedicates him or herself for a better life.

    We were just learning the other week at my Youth Group that we should not trip others. Everyone is (more or less) working their own way to their excellence. To cause mischief is to trip others while they are struggling with their own faults.

    I`ve only been going to a youth group since March, and it has honestly helped me. Youth group and church to me are like Life Support Groups. Just helping each other get along for a better life.
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    oxyl Male 30-39
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    August 29, 2010 at 2:54 pm
    drat god. lol.
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    oxyl Male 30-39
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    August 29, 2010 at 2:55 pm
    i mean f*ck god and the profanity filter
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    AnarchistGod Male 70 & Over
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    August 29, 2010 at 2:55 pm
    @Brassbull
    That is why you failed.
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    atlacatl Male 18-29
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    August 29, 2010 at 2:59 pm
    splurbyburbl

    Really? What you`re saying then is that religion is the root of all evil. You say you`d eradicate religion as if politics and science are not biased nor free from human deviancy. Politics create wars too, scientific findings aren`t always solid (wasn`t it believed that the sun revolved the earth? Who is to say the theories we hold now are any closer to `truth`?).

    There are several positive things religion has done, but you seem to focus on all the negative aspects. A local church here in LA has handed out nearly 2-3k backpacks filled with school materials for youth. There was also various activities including a petting zoo, food from chick-fil-a and other booths filled with activities.

    Maybe if people weren`t so detached from each other and were compassionate with one another, there would not be a need for God. Sadly, most people I encounter who are atheists seem to only hold selfish ulterior motives.
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    xiquiripat Male 18-29
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    August 29, 2010 at 3:01 pm
    Who votes that we impose a moritorium on religious posts on IAB? I`m getting rather sick of these stupid debates that retred the same ground time after time.
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    Kodyo Male 18-29
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    August 29, 2010 at 3:01 pm
    Religion is a way to manipulate the masses, and has been used as such for thousands of years.
    Those under it`s control will do anything to convince themselves that they are right. Those that aren`t will do anything to convince those that they are wrong.
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    pnolan Male 18-29
    64 posts
    August 29, 2010 at 3:07 pm
    This is just how I see things,

    If God was real, anyone who did not choose to dedicate their lives to taking care of themselves and using all of their money not required to survive helping others would be going to hell.

    And even then, if you dedicated your life to helping others, is it because you wanted to do good, or because you wanted reward in the afterlife?

    On the other hand, I know that when I do good things, or help other people, I am doing it because I want to or can. And I don`t have to spend Sundays stuck up indoors praying to the magical cloud wizard.
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    splurbyburbl Male 30-39
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    August 29, 2010 at 3:07 pm
    I just love saying things that are "extreme" on forums. The ones who respond usually just end up proving how sad, pathetic and crazy they are all by themselves.

    But, yes... I do believe everything that I type here.
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    Sillii Female 13-17
    332 posts
    August 29, 2010 at 3:09 pm
    And, people do selfless things for selfish reasons. How would anything get done? Whether athiests, Christians, Muslims, etc., selfish actions will be done.

    If anyone wants a nicer way to think about it, just call it "motivation."
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    atlacatl Male 18-29
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    August 29, 2010 at 3:14 pm
    Kodyo

    It works just like Obama did when he talked all smoothly about change right? :D
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    tatripp Male 18-29
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    August 29, 2010 at 3:16 pm
    well anselm and thomas aquinas`s arguments both explain why there can only be one God (although i`m not sure st. anselm`s is valid). the ending of this clip is funny though.
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    tvremote Male 18-29
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    August 29, 2010 at 3:17 pm
    Ah strawman how you serve the internet well.
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    Lucky2u Male 18-29
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    August 29, 2010 at 3:19 pm
    @xiquiripat "Who votes that we impose a moritorium on religious posts on IAB? I`m getting rather sick of these stupid debates that retred the same ground time after time."

    I second that motion. It`s basically the same argument every time and it`s getting boring. If my religion is wrong I`ll find out when I`m dead, and if you`re right then my corpse won`t really care about or regret anything. I live my life by a simple motto. I won`t preach to you if you don`t preach to me.
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    Angilion Male 40-49
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    August 29, 2010 at 3:22 pm
    Technically, Christians don`t claim a man is a god. They claim he is the son of god.

    It varies between different Christians, but the underlying idea is that Jesus was god as well as a man. The Christian trinity-unity is an odd idea and in my experience nearly all Christians simply ignore it despite how central it is to their religion.
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    ElDavo Male 18-29
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    August 29, 2010 at 3:23 pm
    xiquiri: So just don`t click on those links, since you KNOW there`s going to be an argument. I feel like we`re also cover the same ground time someone says "enough with the religious posts on IAB."
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    darkgear6 Male 70 & Over
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    August 29, 2010 at 3:25 pm
    <INSERT RELIGU WALL-O-TEXT HERE>

    <INSERT RELIGU WALL-O-TEXT HERE>

    <INSERT RELIGU WALL-O-TEXT HERE>
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    Inter237 Male 18-29
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    August 29, 2010 at 3:29 pm
    Okay splurbyburbl you are a douche. No one cares what you think. Yes I am an atheist as well but I don`t feel the need to tell everyone what I am doing is better. If what they need to be a good/moral person is religion, let them have that. Although religion is not necessary for that at all.
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    Angilion Male 40-49
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    August 29, 2010 at 3:33 pm
    I googled `Moslem` to discover it`s a variant on the word Muslim. Huh. Learn somemthing new every day.

    More accurately, they`re both transliterations of the original word, which is of course in Arabic.

    So they`re attempts to show the correct pronunciation in a different alphabet. That is always going to be an approximation because of national and regional accents both in Arabic and in the target language.

    Hence also `Mohammed`, `Muhammed`, etc.
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    Hiromi Female 18-29
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    August 29, 2010 at 3:35 pm
    Word.
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    Angilion Male 40-49
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    August 29, 2010 at 3:42 pm
    Three: If you`re an atheist, why bother trying to ruin the thing that makes people strive to be good? If you think there is nothing for you after you die, why bother? I`m not trying to insult atheists here, but please don`t bring others down with you.

    You are insulting atheists. Greviously so. If you`re not doing it deliberately, you must be spectacularly ignorant to be so thoroughly wrong in every way.

    You state that atheists cannot even try to be good, let alone be good...you place atheists below everyone else...how can you not see the insults?

    Religion isn`t what makes people strive to be good. Religion makes people strive to be obedient. Anything can result from that, from great good to great evil and everything in between.

    If a person doesn`t believe in an afterlife, then they`re more likely to strive to improve this life. After all, it`s all we`ve got. If you believe that this is just a tiny fraction of life, then why bothe
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    TheGax Male 18-29
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    August 29, 2010 at 3:44 pm
    i stopped reading when i sawe MOSLEMS....



    then i was way too curious not to keep reading LOL
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    TheGax Male 18-29
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    August 29, 2010 at 3:44 pm
    saw***
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    gary8162 Male 40-49
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    August 29, 2010 at 3:57 pm
    OK, lets solve the debate once & for all. There is a God. It`s just not the God as percieved by those who wrote the bible. Proof? The uncaused 1st cause better known as the Big Bang. Something started it all. Since we don`t know and can`t figure it out, We say it`s God. Obviously, we can`t know for sure. Now then, when we die, our life force or energy or soul if you will moves on to another stage as Einstien proved. We probably won`t remember anything from this life or even mourne it`s existence. Just like we don`t mourne our previous existence in the womb. We move on becoming part of something different, perhaps part of a collective conscious being whom others might label as God or a God. And so it goes. Just so everyone knows I`m not really trying to piss anyone off. Just offering a differing point of view that no one may have considered...including those who invented religion 2000 years ago.
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    TKD_Master Male 18-29
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    August 29, 2010 at 4:02 pm
    "If you`re an atheist, why bother trying to ruin the thing that makes people strive to be good? If you think there is nothing for you after you die, why bother? I`m not trying to insult atheists here, but please don`t bring others down with you."

    That is easy. From what I have seen, most churchys do their best to push their beliefs onto others, many churchys I have met are self-righteous and ungodly ignorant. By pointing out the flaws in your religion, I am hoping to make them stop believing in the thing that somehow gives them the right to act in aforementioned ways. In turn, I would think they would stop acting in the aforementioned ways. Thus making the world a better place for all.
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    TKD_Master Male 18-29
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    August 29, 2010 at 4:07 pm
    Also, the christian `God` is evil. far more evil than the christian `Satan` is. What is more evil than creating a tool of absolute anguish and pain and death, KNOWING you are going to use it on lesser beings? I`m talking about hell. God knows how terrible of a place it is, yet he uses it on lesser beings. He does not give those beings a second chance. He KNEW millions/billions would suffer under it. If he were truly a good and all-powerful being, he would have found another system to create. One that still motivates people to do good in their life, yet one that isn`t completely evil. Idk, like reincarnation. And karma. So in conclusion, IF your god exists, he is evil and i`d rather be in hell than in his evil presence in heaven anyway. So I am making the right choice by not believing in him, either way, I get what I want.
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    phoneybone Male 18-29
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    August 29, 2010 at 4:12 pm
    ugh, can`t we all just shut the hell up?
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    Darkblitz9 Male 18-29
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    August 29, 2010 at 4:13 pm
    @gary8162

    I imagine the transcendence to be similar to that of The Doctor, minus the memory retention. You`re a whole new person, though you don`t remember your past life and don`t mourn it either. Either way, before you go, you want to say goodbye and are sad because you`ve grown to like the person you are.
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    paddyt07 Male 18-29
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    August 29, 2010 at 4:15 pm
    Moslem?

    & I`m not even gonna bother reading the comments. it gets a little bit too heated and uncomfortable when religion gets bought up around here.
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    HoneydewHead Male 18-29
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    August 29, 2010 at 4:21 pm
    lol moslems! :)
    don`t let them get all over your Stone Garden!
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    Angilion Male 40-49
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    August 29, 2010 at 4:21 pm
    Now then, when we die, our life force or energy or soul if you will moves on to another stage as Einstien proved.

    I don`t care that you`re religious.

    I do care when you lie and abuse science as a tool to attach a false veneer of rationality and authority to your religion. That`s dishonest, parasitical and therefore contemptible.
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    Pingas Male 13-17
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    August 29, 2010 at 4:22 pm
    "Also, the christian `God` is evil. far more evil than the christian `Satan` is. What is more evil than creating a tool of absolute anguish and pain and death, KNOWING you are going to use it on lesser beings? I`m talking about hell. God knows how terrible of a place it is, yet he uses it on lesser beings. He does not give those beings a second chance. He KNEW millions/billions would suffer under it. If he were truly a good and all-powerful being, he would have found another system to create. One that still motivates people to do good in their life, yet one that isn`t completely evil. Idk, like reincarnation. And karma. So in conclusion, IF your god exists, he is evil and i`d rather be in hell than in his evil presence in heaven anyway. So I am making the right choice by not believing in him, either way, I get what I want."

    This. I agree with you so much.
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    Angilion Male 40-49
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    August 29, 2010 at 4:23 pm
    Moslem?

    & I`m not even gonna bother reading the comments. it gets a little bit too heated and uncomfortable when religion gets bought up around here.

    Why ask a question and then state you`re not going to read the answer?

    And yes, your question has already been answered in the comments.

    I could answer it again, but since you`ve explicitly stated that you won`t read it, why waste my time?
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    ruthless1990 Female 18-29
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    August 29, 2010 at 4:31 pm
    i hate religion debates, there so retarded, like anyone is ever gonna be in one and go "omw! your right, im totally in the wrong here, thanks for informing me of your beliefs, and as always i will take into account what you say, as i care about your beliefs just as much as mine"

    nay
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    McMatthewL Male 13-17
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    August 29, 2010 at 4:33 pm
    Can i just point out that these are meant to be `comments` and not `massive ranting essay`
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    KekS Male 18-29
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    August 29, 2010 at 4:34 pm
    That`s a lot of comments for such a retarded comic.
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    Nerd_Rage Male 18-29
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    August 29, 2010 at 4:38 pm
    if you are gonna hate on islam, recognize that the followers are called "Muslims" not "moslems" idiots.
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    Angilion Male 40-49
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    August 29, 2010 at 4:43 pm
    if you are gonna hate on islam, recognize that the followers are called "Muslims" not "moslems" idiots.

    If you`re going to hate on people who use a different transliteration, learn a little about transliteration.

    I bet you don`t even know what the word means, let alone what it is.

    You`re deriding people for getting the name wrong *when you`re getting it wrong yourself*.

    Which makes you the idiot.
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    Altaru Male 18-29
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    August 29, 2010 at 4:45 pm
    We were just learning the other week at my Youth Group that we should not trip others. Everyone is (more or less) working their own way to their excellence. To cause mischief is to trip others while they are struggling with their own faults.
    You needed a Youth Group to learn this?

    Just sayin`... I learned by my parents backhand, and it took you a Youth Group to understand something I knew at 4?

    Not that I obey, mind you...

    wasn`t it believed that the sun revolved the earth?
    That wasn`t exactly, science, and if you studied your history books correctly, you`d learn that science disproved that, despite being persecuted for it by religious groups...


    And I personally am an atheist believer in reincarnation and karma. We don`t need a god, the system`s all worked out as is. Energy cycles, and what goes around comes around.
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    Brassbull Male 30-39
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    August 29, 2010 at 4:49 pm



    It is happening again...
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    davymid Male 30-39
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    August 29, 2010 at 4:56 pm
    "wasn`t it believed that the sun revolved the earth?"

    hehe, have to agree with what Altaru said in his second point. Pro Tip: If you`re going to choose a scientific example to demonstrate how science is flawed and religion is great, PLEASE in the name of all that`s holy do yourself a favour and don`t choose heliocentricity...

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    Kivaen Male 18-29
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    August 29, 2010 at 5:03 pm
    Religion is cancer.

    @Nerd Rage,it appears they misspelled Muslim to insinuate that most people know nothing about the religion,and are so ignorant about it that they`d spell the name wrong. Or maybe just what Angilion said. I dont know. lol
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    skaterboy17 Male 18-29
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    August 29, 2010 at 5:05 pm
    Wow, usually you only see trolling in the comments, not the post itself. Stupid comic, stupid post, purely for the sake of starting a flame war. Classy.
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    bordo Male 50-59
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    August 29, 2010 at 5:10 pm
    So it`s just a bit of anti-Christian bigotry.
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    bingo5765 Male 18-29
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    August 29, 2010 at 5:11 pm
    Either the person posting this has no brain or no eyes.
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    djlazar Male 30-39
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    August 29, 2010 at 5:31 pm
    Was that supposed to be funny?
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    daisy822 Female 13-17
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    August 29, 2010 at 5:34 pm
    @davymid

    best. picture. ever.
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    CrakrJak Male 40-49
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    August 29, 2010 at 5:36 pm
    Most atheists regularly defame God and ridicule believers of any faith, But particularly Christians seem to receive the brunt of their vitriol.

    The passion and dedication to which many atheists go in their anti-God polemic is extraordinary. Some go as far as to liken religious belief to a virus for which a cure must be found.

    If God truly doesn`t exist then why is the militant attitude against God and believers so prevalent among atheists ? I don`t see people blogging that they hate Santa Claus, The Tooth Fairy, or Leprechauns nor about people that believe in them. No good can come from anger and that`s not just a theists point of view.
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    DaBigMachine Male 30-39
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    August 29, 2010 at 5:38 pm
    It`s great how a cartoonist thinks he can dismiss Christianity in a few black & white panels. I`d like to direct the artist to this book:

    "What`s so Great About Christianity" by Dinesh D`Souza (Yes, he`s Indian, as in from India).

    He adeptly defends Christianity against Atheist attacks without referring to the Bible, but by using science, philosophy and references to other respected scholars. For the Unitarians, the Bible flat out says Jesus is the only way to Heaven and it gives clear and simple instructions on how to get there. Ask any Muslim (or "Moslim") and I can just about guarantee their answer will be, "Only Allah knows". Heck, a lot of religions don`t even have a Heaven.

    Also, Christians don`t think a man was "a God". That man, Jesus, is the "Son of God", or God sent and born in human form... forget it, just read the New Testament if you haven`t heard this already (John, Acts & Roman in partic
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    DaBigMachine Male 30-39
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    August 29, 2010 at 5:40 pm
    continued.... (John, Acts & Roman in particular)
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    atlacatl Male 18-29
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    August 29, 2010 at 5:45 pm
    LOL Davy, but even then the scientific community also took the news of the earth revolving around the sun with a bit of skepticism. The scientific community, eventually, embraced the idea quicker than religious figures of that time though.

    Btw, I dislike the fact how the vast majority of popular religions seem to define all religions. I`m a Christian, but I`m not a catholic, baptist, nor any other denomination. I just believe in God and do my best to display prosocial behavior and lead life with good morals. Some inspiration comes from the bible and some comes from everyday interactions with people whom i come to respect.

    In the end, I`m not going to mindlessly follow some religious bigot of a leader to tell me what to do and how to worship. Doesn`t mean I`ll be a prude and not want to engage in things that are fun. You all can argue about it all you want just don`t start to believe in stereotypes that have to apply to all who are spiritual/religious..
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    kummi90 Male 18-29
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    August 29, 2010 at 5:50 pm
    CrakrJak:

    That`s because people usually stop believing in Santa Clause, The Tooth Fairy, and Leprechauns when hit 7 years old, so there is no point arguing against it. I thought this was obvious?
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    Boredered Male 18-29
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    August 29, 2010 at 5:53 pm
    I dont even think atheists support this poo, whoever made this picture probably has 0 friends for being such a stuck up non-nice individual.
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    DaBigMachine Male 30-39
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    August 29, 2010 at 6:03 pm
    @Boredered: Atheist don`t support ANY religion or belief except their own belief which is starting to verge on it`s own religion. I`d guess quite a few Atheist believe that man is his own "god" (hence the emerging religion part).
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    Volsunga Male 18-29
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    August 29, 2010 at 6:10 pm
    @dabigmachine

    Dinesh D`souza? seriously? His entire argumentfor a god is an argument from incredulity. His argument for Christianity, specifically, is nothing but a "no true scotsman" fallacy.
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    Ace_Mazta Male 13-17
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    August 29, 2010 at 6:14 pm
    this is a subject that cannot be solved by arguments and reasoning
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    DaBigMachine Male 30-39
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    August 29, 2010 at 6:16 pm
    @Volsunga

    I see, so responding to the existence of God through reason and outside corroborating evidence OTHER than the Bible isn`t enough, says the Atheist...
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    AnInsomniac Female 18-29
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    August 29, 2010 at 6:35 pm
    I think an easy way to solve this is: Using rule #34 prove the existence of god. Must be live action.
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    DaBigMachine Male 30-39
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    August 29, 2010 at 6:43 pm
    @AnInsomniac:

    And the counter-response: Prove that God doesn`t exist.

    Christians at least have several books and corroborating text to back up their argument. Atheists have only a desire to convince people to believe in nothing and then die. They pay no tribute to the roll the Bible plays in building our very morals (such as they are currently) and in a large part the structure of our Western society.
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    Pooptart19 Male 18-29
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    August 29, 2010 at 6:52 pm
    I am, once again, going to sidestep the process of writing long and daunting comments responding to idiots who say stupid sh*t.

    I like turtles. That is all. Good day.
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    Sillii Female 13-17
    332 posts
    August 29, 2010 at 6:56 pm
    "You needed a Youth Group to learn this?"

    My bad. I included that tidbit to say my church advocates people respecting one another. I knew it from the get-go. I was mainly saying that my church is accepting of all people.
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    CrakrJak Male 40-49
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    August 29, 2010 at 7:00 pm
    kummi90: You might be shocked to know how many adult people still believe in the idea of Santa Claus. That doesn`t mean it`s alright to call them idiots or belittle their belief.
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    Harkannin Male 18-29
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    August 29, 2010 at 7:05 pm
    Why argue over semantics? It seems to me that all religions say pretty much the same thing at its heart. Instead of arguing about whose finger is better, why not look at the moon that they`re all trying pointing toward? (the moon being a metaphor for the message)
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    inaria Female 18-29
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    August 29, 2010 at 7:07 pm
    Why does everyone care what anyone else believes (as long as their beliefs aren`t hurting others)? Who the f* cares what religion a person subscribes to? Seriously.
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    Muffinzzz Male 13-17
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    August 29, 2010 at 7:10 pm
    Yeah, I like turtles too, turtles make me happy. Also, Pooptart19 is awesome. Good day to you sirs and madams.
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    wcclark Male 18-29
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    August 29, 2010 at 7:15 pm
    CrakrJak,

    I don`t call the religious idiots for their belief.

    I call them idiots for killing/harming others for their belief.
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    Angelmassb Male 18-29
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    August 29, 2010 at 7:18 pm
    Religion Vs. Science post! woohoo! and America is fat!!
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    CrakrJak Male 40-49
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    August 29, 2010 at 7:20 pm
    wcclark: People that kill and harm others are idiots period, Regardless of belief. (Our soldiers and police exempted, While in the course of doing their duty)
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    SmilinSam Female 18-29
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    August 29, 2010 at 7:21 pm
    LOL@ Angel
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    DaBigMachine Male 30-39
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    August 29, 2010 at 7:23 pm
    @wcclark: Then you should call Atheist "idiots" for all the 100s of MILLIONS of people they`ve killed in the 20th century alone (ex. Stallin, Hitler, Mao, Kim Jong Il, Che Guevera, Pol Pot), easily... EASILY outnumbering all "murders" caused by Chrisian wars COMBINED throughout history!
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    DaBigMachine Male 30-39
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    August 29, 2010 at 7:25 pm
    @Harkannin: You are so completely out of the ball park on that comment brother.
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    Altaru Male 18-29
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    August 29, 2010 at 7:33 pm
    And the counter-response: Prove that God doesn`t exist.

    You have NO CLUE what Rule 34 is, do you?

    Rule 34: If it exists, there is porn of it. No exceptions.

    Therefore, if there is no porn of god, he must not exist.

    So there. That`s my proof that he doesn`t exist. Unless you can provide porn of it? I`d gladly accept... Well, maybe, depending on what kind of porn it is...

    They pay no tribute to the roll the Bible plays in building our very morals (such as they are currently) and in a large part the structure of our Western society.
    You know what societies evolved WITHOUT the bible, and seem to be getting along okay? Maybe even better?

    I could start listing, but I`d definitely go over the character limit then...

    For that matter... I`d say the bible and it`s devout followers have f*cked up more than a few places... See the whole "no condoms for Africa" thing as an example...
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    dax2009 Female 50-59
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    August 29, 2010 at 7:34 pm
    spurlyburbl - sooooooooo atheists never cause wars, totalitarism, death and suffering??????? roflmao roflmao forlmao!!!!!!!!!!!
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    blckhawk1234 Male 18-29
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    August 29, 2010 at 7:37 pm
    @DaBigMachine

    Do Research, Stalin was raised Catholic and almost a priest. Hitler praised Christ, and Pol Pot wasn`t any major religion but did hold a religious belief.
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    dax2009 Female 50-59
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    August 29, 2010 at 7:37 pm
    Angilion - NONE of the Christians I have known in my life have `ignored` the concept of the Trinity.
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    Altaru Male 18-29
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    August 29, 2010 at 7:38 pm
    You might be shocked to know how many adult people still believe in the idea of Santa Claus. That doesn`t mean it`s alright to call them idiots or belittle their belief.
    I hope, for the sake of all that is good, you`re trolling?

    Seriously, a jolly old fat man in red (or green, if you remember the time before corporate advertising basically raped his image) that drives a sleigh pulled by magic flying reindeer who can get him around the world in one night and lives at the north pole with a bunch of toy-making elves (who apparently know the intricacies of making all manner of toys including video games, and are never called out on their copyright infringement)...

    Is still believed by fully grown adults?

    I mean, Saint Nicholas may have been a real man who was really charitable, but still... That just...

    Yes, it does mean it`s alright... They`re either insane, or idiots. Take your pick...
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    dax2009 Female 50-59
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    August 29, 2010 at 7:38 pm
    And people, if you don`t like these discussions/arguments/whatever don`t click on the link - problem solved.
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    dax2009 Female 50-59
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    August 29, 2010 at 7:41 pm
    gary8162 - religion was created 2,000 years ago? Even if you have never opened a book in your life you should know the incredible fallacy of THAT statement. Please.
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    splurbyburbl Male 30-39
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    August 29, 2010 at 7:42 pm
    "Okay splurbyburbl you are a douche."
    True

    "spurlyburbl - sooooooooo atheists never cause wars, totalitarism, death and suffering??????? roflmao roflmao forlmao!!!!!!!!!!!"

    I am quite sure they do. I know that the Russian holocaust was not a religious thing, but rather a political thing. Although even with the millions that died there, it still is just a scratch on the surface compared to the destruction and mayhem caused in the name of God. (any God)
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    Altaru Male 18-29
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    August 29, 2010 at 7:43 pm
    sooooooooo atheists never cause wars, totalitarism, death and suffering???????
    Not for the sake of forcing their dis-belief in god on others.

    Unless you can show me a case of an Atheist witch-hunt...

    Or an Atheist crusade that tried to take over the non-holy land, or tried to find some non-holy item that proved that god didn`t exist, but turned out to be a fruitless effort...
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    DaBigMachine Male 30-39
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    August 29, 2010 at 7:45 pm
    @ Altaru:

    I think I`ll just dismiss the guy that needs porn to prove that everything exists.
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    NoArms5534 Male 18-29
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    August 29, 2010 at 7:46 pm
    Yeah, keep knocking down those straw men, atheists! We`re all very proud of you.
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    splurbyburbl Male 30-39
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    August 29, 2010 at 7:48 pm
    "Why does everyone care what anyone else believes (as long as their beliefs aren`t hurting others)? Who the f* cares what religion a person subscribes to? Seriously."

    I thought like that once. Until I saw a kid get his legs blown from above the waist from an IED placed by a "moslem" extremist. So, I started caring a little more. True, there are a lot of harmless religious people out there, if not slightly annoying. But without religion, people would not hold this super strong, psychosymatic response to conviction from upon high to carry out absolutely heinous acts in the name of God. We are all of us in more danger from these things than you think.

    Look at Islam: Millions of muslims and only a small percentage are extremists. But, that small percentage rules them all. It`s powerful stuff.
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    Altaru Male 18-29
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    August 29, 2010 at 7:51 pm
    I think I`ll just dismiss the guy that needs porn to prove that everything exists.
    For one thing, the person who asked first was female.

    For another... Try to deny it. Thanks to the internet and REALLY f*cked up people, it`s pretty much guaranteed...
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    DaBigMachine Male 30-39
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    August 29, 2010 at 7:52 pm
    @blckhawk1234: Do your own research. Russia did everything the could to expunge religion under Socialist rule while Lenin and in particular, Stalin, were in power. Also, Hitler used his "praise of Christianity" to hasten his rise to and consolidation of power. After he was the Fuhrer you can bet he turned on those Christians, Jews, Muslims, Gypsies, etc. Furthermore, just because you were raised under a certain religion doesn`t preclude one from becoming an Atheist, for whatever reason, later.
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    jak22 Male 18-29
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    August 29, 2010 at 7:54 pm
    wow that was a $H!tty comic. haha thats coming from an atheist.
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    gothmo Female 18-29
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    August 29, 2010 at 7:55 pm
    This is why I`m Agnostic... The bible thumpers and athiests are non-nice individuals, us Agnostics are safe in the middle >>
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    DaBigMachine Male 30-39
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    August 29, 2010 at 7:56 pm
    @Altaru: "Try to Deny it"

    Really? Try to deny that you need porn to prove things exist? Okay, I guess we`re not standing on planet Earth since there is no porn video of Earth boning Venus however millenia ago? I guess there are no roofs over our heads since there are no porn videos of houses going at it? I guess the Sun doesn`t exist either. Need I go on?
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    Altaru Male 18-29
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    August 29, 2010 at 7:57 pm
    Yeah, keep knocking down those straw men, atheists! We`re all very proud of you.
    If you look into the backstory of the comic strip in the post, you would fine two things...

    1) The writer/artist is a woman who was raised as a fundamentalist Christian, but as she grew up she grew out of that crap and became an atheist, and...

    2) Most of the things said by the Christians in these strips are things that actual Christians have said to her in either flame wars like this one, or through email exchanges.

    In other words... These aren`t "straw men," these are people`s actual arguments.
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    Altaru Male 18-29
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    August 29, 2010 at 7:59 pm
    Okay, I guess we`re not standing on planet Earth since there is no porn video of Earth boning Venus however millenia ago?
    Yes, yes there is. Look it up. I dare you.

    Someone has made porn of it. No matter what it is. But only if it actually exists.
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    Nobbinz Male 30-39
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    August 29, 2010 at 7:59 pm
    To sum up:

    God is real v God is imaginary

    Pick your side and stop boring the rest of us with your played out, hackneyed views either way.
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    5Cats Male 50-59
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    August 29, 2010 at 8:27 pm
    Religion flames...zzzzzz.
    I`ll post 10 minutes after I die and tell y`all the correct answers, m-kay?
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    cyborgmonkey Male 13-17
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    August 29, 2010 at 8:28 pm
    this is why i`m a Offtenite!! we worship one giant god duck... further reading material on offtenites visit http://offtenite.blogspot.com/ .... Do it!
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    katluver Male 18-29
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    August 29, 2010 at 8:39 pm
    hah this made me laugh and smile.. yay bad religion!
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    Angilion Male 40-49
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    August 29, 2010 at 8:40 pm
    If God truly doesn`t exist then why is the militant attitude against God and believers so prevalent among atheists ? I don`t see people blogging that they hate Santa Claus, The Tooth Fairy, or Leprechauns nor about people that believe in them.

    You also don`t see atheists blogging that they hate god. A moment`s thought would tell anyone that it`s impossible. You`re making yourself a strawman to fight and calling it "atheists" to smear them with it.

    If believers in the Tooth Fairy, etc, supported organisations that ruled countries, were actively and constantly campaigning to expand their organisations` power in every aspect of every person`s life, eagerly supported tyranny and irrational prejudices, started wars and directly threatened my life, then I`d have the same attitude towards them as I do about religions, for the same reasons.

    But none of those things are true of the young children who believe in the tooth fairy, etc.
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    sbeelz Male 30-39
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    August 29, 2010 at 8:42 pm
    The way I see it, all religious arguments are effectively semantic. Different religions all try to describe the same phenomina, the same types of mystical experiences upon which they were founded- and the followers get hung up on the words themselves as if words can actually hold inherent truth. Words are only as true the ideas they inspire in those who hear or read them.
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    Angilion Male 40-49
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    August 29, 2010 at 8:44 pm
    Why argue over semantics? It seems to me that all religions say pretty much the same thing at its heart. Instead of arguing about whose finger is better, why not look at the moon that they`re all trying pointing toward? (the moon being a metaphor for the message)

    Yes, why not look at the message?

    OBEY OR SUFFER!

    I`ve looked at it and I dislike it.
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    DaBigMachine Male 30-39
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    August 29, 2010 at 8:48 pm
    @Angilion: "If believers in the Tooth Fairy, etc, supported organisations that ruled countries, were actively and constantly campaigning to expand their organisations` power in every aspect of every person`s life, eagerly supported tyranny and irrational prejudices, started wars and directly threatened my life, then I`d have the same attitude towards them as I do about religions, for the same reasons."

    Again, I point you to the biggest mass-murderers of all time (in one century alone), Atheists/Agnostics who also happen to be Socialists/Fascists: Stallin, Hitler, Mao, Kim Jong Il, Che Guevera & Pol Pot.
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    Angilion Male 40-49
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    August 29, 2010 at 9:01 pm
    I see there are still people insisting that `Muslim` is the right spelling and that `Moslem` is therefore wrong.

    *They are both wrong*.

    It`s obvious if you think about it - the right spelling must be in Arabic, which uses a very different alphabet.

    Any spelling in any other alphabet and/or language is inevitably wrong. They are attempts to reproduce the sound of the word. The sound of the word varies in Arabic due to different accents. The best reproduction of the sound of a word varies in other languages due to accents and rules of pronunciation.

    So slightly different transliterations can be approximations with the same degree of accuracy.
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    wtdog Female 18-29
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    August 29, 2010 at 9:02 pm
    wait, if it`s "rude and offensive to question or discount someone`s sacredly held beliefs..." then iab has seriously stepped over the rude and offensive line. this blatant anti-Christianity stuff is starting to get really old and really annoying. Don`t claim that iab makes fun of/complains about atheists as much as they do Christians because that just isn`t true.
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    Angilion Male 40-49
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    August 29, 2010 at 9:02 pm
    DaBigMachine, why are you arguing that Hitler et alia were believers in the Tooth Fairy, Santa Claus and leprechauns?
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    splurbyburbl Male 30-39
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    August 29, 2010 at 9:12 pm
    "Don`t claim that iab makes fun of/complains about atheists as much as they do Christians because that just isn`t true."

    IAB should take an entire week and post many, many anti-atheist stuff. Just to shut these whiny runts up.
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    DaBigMachine Male 30-39
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    August 29, 2010 at 9:14 pm
    Angilion, I`m not, but I was responding to your equating, Christians with people who believe in the Toothfairy, et al. In essence this is what you said:

    "Christians 9believers in the Tooth Fairy, etc.) support organisations that rule countries, are actively and constantly campaigning to expand their organisations` power in every aspect of every person`s life, eagerly support tyranny and irrational prejudices, start wars and directly threaten my life, then I have the same attitude towards them as I do about ..."

    Now my response should make more sense to you. Not that you didn`t get it the first time around. Way to play dumb.
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    auburnjunky Male 30-39
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    August 29, 2010 at 9:14 pm
    @altaru:

    Find me a video of someone fraking a sarcastic fringehead.

    Not one of those yet I can guarantee!
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    DaBigMachine Male 30-39
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    August 29, 2010 at 9:19 pm
    @auburnjunky

    Thanks for lolz. I didn`t think that was possible in a forum on this subject.
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    Angilion Male 40-49
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    August 29, 2010 at 9:20 pm
    Angilion, I`m not, but I was responding to your equating, Christians with people who believe in the Toothfairy, et al.

    I have been arguing AGAINST that association (which was put forward by CrakrJak).

    You are about as wrong as it`s possible to be.
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    dax2009 Female 50-59
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    August 29, 2010 at 9:21 pm
    people are people, splurbyburbl - they are what they are. if they didn`t kill in the name of God, they would find some other reason.
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    RoboPatton Male 30-39
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    August 29, 2010 at 9:22 pm
    Pray to a dog headed-man-thing, I don`t care. As long as you are funny, and interesting and post cool things that are cool, I don`t care.

    This, meh, not funny.
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    davymid Male 30-39
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    August 29, 2010 at 9:22 pm
    Don`t claim that iab makes fun of/complains about atheists as much as they do Christians because that just isn`t true.
    Yeah, we get this a lot. The other thing that people froth about is that we don`t post much anti-Islamic stuff. Apparently because we don`t have the cojones to do so.

    Look, I-A-B is a light comic relief website. It just so happens that there`s a sh*t-load more material out there on the intarwebz which is quirky, amusing, funny, or otherwise boredom-relieving that "pokes fun" (I wouldn`t call this comic poking fun, BTW) at Christianity than stuff making fun of Islam or atheism. Church signs, converted ice-cream vans, counter-protests against WBC and it`s lookalikes, youtube vids etc. More of that stuff gets submitted.

    By all means, if you can find some funny/quirky/amusing stuff "poking fun of" atheism, then submit it. If it`s good and makes the cut,it`ll get posted, same as all our other submitted material.
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    ElDavo Male 18-29
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    August 29, 2010 at 9:25 pm
    splurbyburbl: Honestly, there isn`t much anti-atheist stuff around. The reason is that anti-atheist material is based on outright lies (See DaBigMachine`s "Hitler and Stalin were atheists!") or based on Bible verses, which nobody but the people using them as arguments actually accepts as legitimate.
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    ElDavo Male 18-29
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    August 29, 2010 at 9:29 pm
    Davy has another good point I failed to include. It`s user-submitted content. If the users submit atheist comedy material, that gets posted. How very Christian to just pray to IAB that it gets fixed instead of doing your own part and submitting your own material. (Sorry, it just fit well)
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    CrakrJak Male 40-49
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    August 29, 2010 at 9:39 pm
    Altaru: I said `The idea of Santa Claus`, That to me means the giving spirit of Christmas and the joy of seeing a child open a gift `From Santa`.

    Does that really seem `insane` to you ? If so you are more anti-social then I thought you were.
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    davymid Male 30-39
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    August 29, 2010 at 9:40 pm
    people are people, splurbyburbl - they are what they are. if they didn`t kill in the name of God, they would find some other reason.
    Meh, I hear this a lot, and I don`t agree with it. One could easily make the same argument as follows: "If people didn`t die of cancer, they`d die of some other cause. Ergo, what`s the point of trying to find a cure for cancer?" I don`t buy it.

    If we didn`t segregate ourselves on religious grounds, how would the white caucausian english-speaking european Christian people of Northern Ireland have known who the enemy was, if they didn`t have labels like "Protestant" and "Catholic" to know who they were supposed to shoot? Or how would the arab arabic-speaking Muslim people of Iraq have known who the enemy was, if the didn`t have labels like "Sunni" and "Shia" to know which market they were supposed to car-bomb?

    Anyways, just my opinion.
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    ElDavo Male 18-29
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    August 29, 2010 at 9:45 pm
    It`s at this point I would like to point out: davymid and Angilion are two of the most enlightened people I have ever met, despite never really meeting either of them.
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    DaBigMachine Male 30-39
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    August 29, 2010 at 9:47 pm
    ElDavo, yeah it is user submitted material with this caveat:

    "If it`s good and makes the cut,it`ll get posted"

    So if the Atheist/Agnostics think the stuff "poking fun" at Atheism is "good" then it`ll make it in as opposed to the "sh*t-load" of stuff that`s clearly hillarious that makes fun of (excuse me "pokes fun of") Christianity that makes it in all...the...time!
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    CrakrJak Male 40-49
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    August 29, 2010 at 9:48 pm
    Angillion: One of many atheists that claim to hate God. Source

    Just do a Google search of `I hate God` You`ll find plenty.

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    DaBigMachine Male 30-39
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    August 29, 2010 at 9:52 pm
    Angilion, so who are the people that are doing the following?:

    "supporting organisations that rule countries, are actively and constantly campaigning to expand their organisations` power in every aspect of every person`s life, eagerly support tyranny and irrational prejudices, start wars and directly threatened my (YOUR) life."
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    ElDavo Male 18-29
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    August 29, 2010 at 9:56 pm
    DaBigMachine: Have you personally submitted a single item relating to your side of the religious debate? I`ll venture to guess that you haven`t, in which case you have no right to complain about what does or does not "make the cut". Maybe you need to accept that the viewership of IAB, or at least the active viewership, is majority atheist or agnostic, and the nature of the content shows that. It might not be a huge conspiracy to piss you or any other christian off.
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    Angilion Male 40-49
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    August 29, 2010 at 9:57 pm
    Just do a Google search of `I hate God` You`ll find plenty.

    Atheists hating the "the idea of God as described by religion", yes.

    Atheists hating religion, yes.

    Atheists hating gods they don`t believe in, no. How can anyone hate anything they don`t believe exists?
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    Angilion Male 40-49
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    August 29, 2010 at 9:58 pm
    Well, DaBigMachine, I`ll start with the most relevant example: you.
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    GuardinGnome Male 18-29
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    August 29, 2010 at 9:58 pm
    I`m an Atheist because I don`t care for religion. It`s that f*cking simple.
    I don`t care what Mr. Johnny Jesus from around the corner does, as long as he isn`t coming to my doorstep trying to convert me or tell me I`m wrong.
    That just pisses me off.
    So do whatever you f*cking want to in your religion, just don`t bother people who don`t give a sh*t.
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    Unborn_Son Male 18-29
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    August 29, 2010 at 10:04 pm
    Uh....isn`t the portrayal of Mohammed taboo?
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    CrakrJak Male 40-49
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    August 29, 2010 at 10:05 pm
    Angilion: Atheists hating gods they don`t believe in, no. How can anyone hate anything they don`t believe exists?

    Good question, It`s antithetical isn`t it ? But I believe I`ve proved my point that many atheists hate God.
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    davymid Male 30-39
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    August 29, 2010 at 10:06 pm
    ElDavo, yeah it is user submitted material with this caveat: "If it`s good and makes the cut,it`ll get posted". So if the Atheist/Agnostics think the stuff "poking fun" at Atheism is "good" then it`ll make it in as opposed to the "sh*t-load" of stuff that`s clearly hillarious that makes fun of (excuse me "pokes fun of") Christianity that makes it in all...the...time!
    Yeah, thought the accusation of favouritism/non-professionalism might come up.
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    davymid Male 30-39
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    August 29, 2010 at 10:06 pm
    Look, we Mods are good at IAB, I really promise. We have everything from leftist liberal atheists like myself, to right-wing conservatives like Prime (though he just left - looking for a job, Crakr?) to Young-Earth Creationist Christians like Lionhart, hell we even have a religiously conservative Muslim in Baalthazaq - if he was here tonight, we`d be at each other`s throats, as usual.

    Point is, us Mods wear two hats, and we`re pretty good at taking one off and putting on the other. Crakr will attest to the fact that this week alone I demanded a user making a parody of Glenn Beck to change his avatar (it was just the word "terrorist") as it offended some right-wing Christians on the forums. Personally, I think Glenn Beck is a f*cking asshat. Likewise, in another thread, I gave a user a slap on the wrist for sterotyping people of another religion (in this case, claiming the majority of Muslims support suicide bombings and the raping of infidels). Crakr will back me up
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    davymid Male 30-39
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    August 29, 2010 at 10:06 pm
    Now, personally I`m an atheist, hell, I`m openly anti-theist. Yes, I really do think the world would be better off without religion in it. But personally, I hardly ever approve or disapprove posts, and even when I do, I assure you I`m completely impartial, as are all Mods here. Kinda insulted frankly.

    If you submit good content, it will be posted, we assure you. There is no agenda here at IAB. Not how we roll, never has been.
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    CrakrJak Male 40-49
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    August 29, 2010 at 10:08 pm
    davymid: I`m honored to hear you think I`m worthy Davy. :-)
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    DaBigMachine Male 30-39
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    August 29, 2010 at 10:10 pm
    @GuardinGnome: That sword cuts both ways (hence this post from IAB).

    @Angilion: Yes, Angilion, I`m trying to control your life from half way across the world. Well played.
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    ElDavo Male 18-29
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    August 29, 2010 at 10:12 pm
    davy: I called you enlightened earlier, and you offer CRAKR the mod? Actually, that`s understandable.

    DBM: I see your response to me was removed. If you would link to what you submitted before that got denied, I`d be more inclined to believe your point.
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    Djer Male 18-29
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    August 29, 2010 at 10:12 pm
    On the one hand, I`m offended because Christians are discriminated against by other religions, too.

    On the other hand, Christians tend to be the most vocal about it...
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    CrakrJak Male 40-49
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    August 29, 2010 at 10:14 pm
    And Yes, Davy and the rest of the mods are generally fair. Even If I disagree with a few of their opinions, And trust me we`ve had some rousing disagreements. But as Davy and others have mentioned, This site is about `Curing Boredom`.

    Have to admit it does that, It`s not all funny videos and weird pictures. A good debate can cure boredom just as well.
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    DaBigMachine Male 30-39
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    August 29, 2010 at 10:16 pm
    ElDavo, I self edited my post, as I misread what you said. I have posted something that was declined but not pertaining to the subject matter of tearing down others beliefs, as I don`t find that funny. Even if I do disagree with them. I think there`s enough funny things out there that don`t deal with religion.
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    CrakrJak Male 40-49
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    August 29, 2010 at 10:17 pm
    Heck, I doubt I`d come back to this website as often as I do, If it wasn`t for the debates.
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    ShamaziaV2 Male 13-17
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    August 29, 2010 at 10:20 pm
    in no religions are the average member a problem. its the fanatics of all religions. same with fans of sports teams, videogame fanboys, or anything else where someone can take something past the point of being insanely annoying. so davy i think that even without religion there would be something to kill over. its human nature. comparing it to cancer is totally different as the disappearance of one disease doesnt constitute the appearance of a different disease.
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    August 29, 2010 at 10:20 pm
    DBM: That makes sense, but if you don`t like the posts tearing down others` beliefs, and the majority of those posts are, according to yourself, aimed at your own beliefs, why click the religion links at all? It`s not like they disguise them to sneak attack your religion or something.
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    davymid Male 30-39
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    August 29, 2010 at 10:24 pm
    DBM: I see your response to me was removed. If you would link to what you submitted before that got denied, I`d be more inclined to believe your point.
    Just to clarify, whatever DaBigMachine posted wasn`t "Denied". To be clear, Mods on this site don`t approve comments before they`re posted, comments are posted immediately. He must have deleted it himself, presumably to make some edits.

    IAB ain`t about control. If it was, I for one wouldn`t be here. Comments are only ever deleted by Mods if they contain something particularly abhorrent, like blatant hate-speech or pictures of animal porn.

    Hell, even when a Mod says something stupid it`s deliberatly left NOT deleted posthumously, so that all can have their interpretation of the convo. Yes, we really ARE that open. Not saying we`re a shining beacon of light here, but we`re OK (which is why that accusation of favouritism kinda hurt).
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    davymid Male 30-39
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    August 29, 2010 at 10:24 pm
    In fact, Baal (Mod who happens to Muslim) got into a tussle with another user some days ago. That user accused him of Personal Attack. Baal openly reported himself immediately on the Mod Forum with link for consideration, and was completely open about it, no deleted posts, he wanted to be judged by his peers. And that, I think anyways, is unnecessary (hell, he could have deleted posts all over the place to make himself look good), but kudos to him for having that spirit of transparency.

    If it gives any insight into the inner workings of IAB, this is how we roll. I think we do alright. Again, open to criticism though! Tell us what we`re doing wrong and we`ll try to fix it. Like I said, I think we have a good balance.
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    ElDavo Male 18-29
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    August 29, 2010 at 10:28 pm
    Oh no davy, I understand that. His original comment said something about having submitted a link, and that`s what I was replying to with "if you would link to what you submitted before that got denied, I`d be more inclined to believe your point." I wasn`t trying to say his post was censored or anything, sorry for the confusion.
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    pnolan Male 18-29
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    August 29, 2010 at 10:30 pm
    @DaBigMachine
    I`m not trying to say anything about you personally, but I really don`t think that most Christians are any more Christian or into the Bible than radical Islamists are into the Quran

    It just comes down to their personal interpretation, and I`m all for whatever life view you want to have as long as you don`t try to force it on others and you don`t hurt others unless they are a threat to your health.

    In this country, Christians are preventing homosexuals from having rights despite being in completely consensual relationships. They are trying to plaster their own personally held beliefs onto all of the rest of us, in arbitrary censorship or through legislation. In other places, they are putting their agenda ahead of thousands or millions of lives (no condoms in africa?) and for centuries, they have been killing one another and others over very minor details in text.

    If there is a God, do you think this is what he wants?
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    Djer Male 18-29
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    August 29, 2010 at 10:36 pm
    @pnolan- I`m not quite sure I understand what you mean by your first claim, about Christians not being Christian. Could you explain that?

    Also, I will admit that Christians have a very large voice in the area of gay marriage, but I would like to point out that several states have legalized gay marriage (Iowa being one of them). While it may not be nationwide, the fact of the matter is that gay rights are starting to be recognized, just like civil rights were 50+ years ago. And to be fair, there were wars over personal beliefs LONG before Christianity even existed, and while there has been bloodshed over it in the past 2000 (or so) years, other religions are just as guilty of it.
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    August 29, 2010 at 10:54 pm
    And here comes the church flame wars. Look at all the words. TLDNR!
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    August 29, 2010 at 10:57 pm
    The argument is currently 8 pages long and Arvz thinks that was worth saying. HA!
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    August 29, 2010 at 11:10 pm
    What I`m saying is that most Christians follow and even sensationalize the parts of the bible that are convenient to them, and then ignore the passages that aren`t. Unfortunately, for most people, "helping those less fortunate" isn`t convenient.

    That "some states are legalizing" gay marriage doesn`t make it more acceptable that a large group of people seek to withhold rights from another. I never said that Christians were the only ones committing atrocities, but you say that like somehow that makes it more acceptable. Christians are doing it on the largest scale.
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    SoldierDave Male 18-29
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    August 29, 2010 at 11:20 pm
    This is funny...how?
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    taylor_stone Male 30-39
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    August 29, 2010 at 11:34 pm
    As any good fisherman would, IAB just keeps coming with the bait... Sorry. I ain`t biting in a religion hook...
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    CrakrJak Male 40-49
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    August 29, 2010 at 11:48 pm
    pnolan: Committing atrocities ? Really ? `on the largest scale.` ?

    a·troc·i·ty
    n. pl. a·troc·i·ties
    1. Appalling or atrocious condition, quality, or behavior; monstrousness.
    2. An appalling or atrocious act, situation, or object, especially an act of unusual or illegal cruelty inflicted by an armed force on civilians or prisoners.

    Just so we are both clear what an `atrocity` is.
    Because I don`t hear or have read about Christians, In the name of religion, Doing a lot.
    Yes, A few have bombed abortion clinics in the last decade, But it`s very rare and they were immediately condemned by anti-abortion groups. There are emotionally unstable people in every society.

    I`ll point you to this

    2 key points in that, Conservatives are more likely to give than Libe
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    CrakrJak Male 40-49
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    August 29, 2010 at 11:51 pm
    Cont..

    2 key points in that, Conservatives are more likely to give than Liberals and Religious people give more to secular causes than secular people do.
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    DavioMagnifi Male 13-17
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    August 30, 2010 at 12:00 am
    this is facking troll feed.
    This should not be on iab.
    Each religion believes that other religions are false.
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    Custardface Male 13-17
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    August 30, 2010 at 12:12 am
    Okay, i get the joke, religion is stupid etc etc, but really? This is begging for an argument.
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    mikehatesyou Male 18-29
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    August 30, 2010 at 12:43 am
    @custardface
    you must be new here.
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    helix25 Male 18-29
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    August 30, 2010 at 12:54 am
    Only roman christians proclaimed jesus a god. No where in the bible does it say jesus is a god, or that we should pray jesus.
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    thenakedant Male 18-29
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    August 30, 2010 at 1:00 am
    God is dead.
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    Calummac Male 13-17
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    August 30, 2010 at 1:35 am
    Mon the Jews
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    Angilion Male 40-49
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    August 30, 2010 at 1:50 am
    @Angilion: Yes, Angilion, I`m trying to control your life from half way across the world. Well played.

    Not directly, obviously, but when you`re promoting your religion you`re promoting its control over my life.
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    Angilion Male 40-49
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    August 30, 2010 at 1:57 am
    in no religions are the average member a problem. its the fanatics of all religions.

    Maybe so, but who is more motivated to obtain power?

    Consider the evils of Christian theocracy in Europe, of which the most infamous was the inquisitions.

    The average Christian in those days was perfectly reasonable. That was even true for Christian clerics in general - if you picked a priest at random in those times, chances are that you`d have picked a decent person.

    The fact that the average Christian, even the average Christian cleric, wasn`t a problem did nothing, absolutely nothing, to stop the evil. They weren`t the Christians who sought and obtained power. That was the fanatics. It`s always that way.
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    xxPinkxx Female 18-29
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    August 30, 2010 at 2:11 am
    OMG so true
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    Sarph Male 18-29
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    August 30, 2010 at 3:22 am
    Religious hypocrites, "winning" discussions since 3927 B.C.
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    Sarph Male 18-29
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    August 30, 2010 at 3:27 am
    The funny thing is that people always compare the past acts of one group of religious people to another, while time and frames of reference always are completely left out. How many Christian Inquisitors have tried to invade Jerusalem lately? How many witches have been burnt (outside of Africa) the past decade? How many suicidal bombers have killed people lately?

    The constant discussion about who`s right is seen as irrelevant to rational people. It`s the extremists, aka not so sane, that feel the need to defend their religion. Somehow there is currently an unbalance between the size of each group though, and that might be a problem.
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    puppies04 Male 18-29
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    August 30, 2010 at 3:41 am
    Good point sarph, i mean if we were living in a world where groups of religious folk gathered holding banner emblazoned with messages like *god hates fags* and *All fags go to hell* then i could understand why certain people would take offence to that but lets be honest, that never happens does it. Go put your soapbox somewhere else
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    puppies04 Male 18-29
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    August 30, 2010 at 3:43 am
    Oh and p.s.. how many suicide bombers have killed people recently? I cant remember the last day when i didnt hear about at least one somewhere in the world, usually the middle east
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    splurbyburbl Male 30-39
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    August 30, 2010 at 4:27 am
    "How many suicidal bombers have killed people lately?"

    True, lately there has not been a lot of deadly christian extremism... but did you really need to ask this question? Have you turned on the news lately? Read a newspaper?

    Should I mention the ongoing ethnic cleanising in Africa? How about the hundreds of extremist muslim groups slaughtering people left and right?
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    quaintness Male 13-17
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    August 30, 2010 at 5:12 am
    "Cont..

    2 key points in that, Conservatives are more likely to give than Liberals and Religious people give more to secular causes than secular people do."

    evidence, please.

    Next, how does that increase the truth value of what you believe? It doesn`t. Maybe Ufo-logists give to charity (so what?)
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    CrakrJak Male 40-49
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    August 30, 2010 at 6:14 am
    Arthur C. Brooks, a professor at Syracuse University, published "Who Really Cares: The Surprising Truth About Compassionate Conservatism." The surprise is that liberals are markedly less charitable than conservatives.

    Although liberal families` incomes average 6 percent higher than those of conservative families, conservative-headed households give, on average, 30 percent more to charity than the average liberal-headed household ($1,600 per year vs. $1,227).

    Conservatives also donate more time and give more blood.

    People who reject the idea that "government has a responsibility to reduce income inequality" give an average of four times more than people who accept that proposition.
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    CrakrJak Male 40-49
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    August 30, 2010 at 6:25 am
    quaintness: I was responding to pnolan`s remarks that What I`m saying is that most Christians follow and even sensationalize the parts of the bible that are convenient to them, and then ignore the passages that aren`t. Unfortunately, for most people, "helping those less fortunate" isn`t convenient.

    and

    I never said that Christians were the only ones committing atrocities, but you say that like somehow that makes it more acceptable. Christians are doing it on the largest scale.
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    CrakrJak Male 40-49
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    August 30, 2010 at 6:29 am
    Clearly giving money, donating time to charity, and the lack of violent incidents attributed to Christians, Refutes his arguments totally.
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    meepmaker Male 30-39
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    August 30, 2010 at 6:43 am
    Mondays Suck.
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    BoredFrank Male 40-49
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    August 30, 2010 at 6:51 am
    "Bob" is the only true God -- and even "Bob" denies this!
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    bananajojo Female 18-29
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    August 30, 2010 at 7:04 am
    this is bullpoo. christians dont worship a man and call him god, jesus was gods son. get your facts right and read the bible before you go bitchin on the christians
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    Kougaiji Male 18-29
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    August 30, 2010 at 7:23 am
    CrakrJak continues to be living proof that christian conservatives can make up an entire argument. which itself consists of nothing but lies and made up facts, and still expect to be taken seriously by more formidable users of logic and historical occurrences.

    Ah yes, the christian who feels that every christian who does some wrong immediately ceases to be a christian; thus making the claim that christians are the truest, least flawed, most giving and peaceful people. We all know this to not be the case, one does not need to look further than the nightly news to see christians doing un-christian, but so long as we keep CrakrJak around to judge, then for all we know the christians in question were hypnotised atheists or closet muslims or stoned buddhists.
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    gorgack2000 Male 13-17
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    August 30, 2010 at 7:49 am
    So you all know:
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    uhmerikin Male 18-29
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    August 30, 2010 at 7:53 am
    and on the 8th day, he created controversy and blog arguments....
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    Schro Female 18-29
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    August 30, 2010 at 8:08 am
    Moslems.
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    kirstoner Female 18-29
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    August 30, 2010 at 8:16 am
    Lame.
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    DavidXJ Male 30-39
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    August 30, 2010 at 9:05 am
    This was kind of dumb. This is a revolving argument that cannot be solved except by choosing to believe in one of the religion (or none of them).
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    almightybob1 Male 18-29
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    August 30, 2010 at 9:16 am
    "Bob" is the only true God -- and even "Bob" denies this!
    Oh, I don`t deny it.
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    dax2009 Female 50-59
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    August 30, 2010 at 9:37 am
    bananajojo: Christians worship Jesus as God`s only BEGOTTEN son, i.e. of the same kind, i.e. as God.
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    graphfix Male 13-17
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    August 30, 2010 at 10:10 am
    >_> every religion is like that.
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    whatevs Female 13-17
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    August 30, 2010 at 10:25 am
    how about everyone believes what they want, and we all just drop it.
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    KMLW Female 18-29
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    August 30, 2010 at 10:31 am
    it`s sad how true to life this is
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    RFMITCH1 Male 18-29
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    August 30, 2010 at 10:33 am
    Jesus is the Christ. He is the SOn of God. If you choose not to believe it, that`s your choice but it is the truth.
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    Skyler92 Female 18-29
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    August 30, 2010 at 10:43 am
    I like turtles.
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    CoffeeTable Male 18-29
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    August 30, 2010 at 10:50 am
    This is completely retarded, religion takes faith because you can`t prove it true or false. Is dumb to argue about.
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    michaelcsr Male 40-49
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    August 30, 2010 at 11:09 am
    I believe in one God. I believe that Jesus was the begoten Son of God. I also believe the humor in this comic come from the fact that Christianity as well as most other major religions take their beliefs as proven fact, and get pissed off when someone tries to prove them wrong. The only fact is that there are no facts and Faith is believing without hard proof. It`s your choice who you follow or if you follow at all. Eventually, no mater what religion was the right one, you will recieve your reward (not fact, people. Just my belief,) at the end of time. Either we are ALL God`s children, or none of us are. It`s the athiests that are screwed. LOL.
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    DarkFerret Male 18-29
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    August 30, 2010 at 11:27 am
    Ha!! This is amazing!! Hypocracy in the church isn`t new tho...
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    Altaru Male 18-29
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    August 30, 2010 at 11:45 am
    Atheists/Agnostics who also happen to be Socialists/Fascists:... Kim Jong Il...
    Kim Jong Il`s not an atheist. He thinks he IS god...

    if they didn`t kill in the name of God, they would find some other reason.
    Maybe... But then again, without the religious indoctrination, there wouldn`t be suicide bombers for Islam, tensions in areas of the Middle East, Hitler would have lost half of how he gained power...

    Also, consider this... You have a Schizophrenic who hears voices, usually benign but still creepy, and suddenly he gets involved in a religion that says "Kill the non-believers!" What do you think his voices are going to say after that?

    I`m sure that`s a fair part of the reasoning behind women who kill their kids because god told them too, etc...
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    GiveChase Female 18-29
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    August 30, 2010 at 11:51 am
    It is true though. I`ve met a good number of religious folk who insist that the Bible and their religion are "the absolute truth." You ask for proof, they won`t give it, they`ll just say that that`s just how it is. Then they`ll say that every other religion is a lie because their religion says so.
    I don`t get it. How is any other religion any more truthful than yours?
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    jib Male 18-29
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    August 30, 2010 at 11:51 am
    athiests are always so bitter, but i have to admit some christians are non-nice individuals. Why can`t we just leave each other alone?!
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    Altaru Male 18-29
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    August 30, 2010 at 11:54 am
    I said `The idea of Santa Claus`, That to me means the giving spirit of Christmas and the joy of seeing a child open a gift `From Santa`.
    There is a MASSIVE difference between the "idea of Santa Claus" and the idea of giving gifts at Christmas time.

    Hell, the idea of giving gifts at Christmas time was around before all the Santa BS. And you can get just as much joy without the "Santa" label all over it.

    The way you worded it made it sound like some fully grown adult still believed in the jolly old fat man in the sky. And that WOULD be insane.

    And I will NEVER teach my kids any crap about Santa. Because I don`t intend to be a cruel parent, and set my kids up for disappointment later on in life. My kids are gonna learn about REAL happiness, in the REAL world, without all the imaginary men... Including those who live in the sky.
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    McGovern1981 Male 30-39
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    August 30, 2010 at 12:02 pm

    Dear God, how have you been then?
    I`m not fine, f**k pretending
    All of this death your sending
    Best throw some free heart mending
    Invite you in my heart, then
    When done, my sins forgiven?
    This God of mine relaxes
    World dies I still pay taxes

    Can you be as God am
    Can I be as my God am
    Can I be as my God am
    God of all my God am

    So Lord, I see you grinnin`
    Must be grand always winning
    How proud are you being able
    To gather faith from fable

    Can I be as my God am
    Can I be as my God am
    Can you be as God am
    God am
    God of all my God am
    My God am
    God

    God am
    All the respect I`m giving
    Shared strength acquired by living
    All blooming life you`re feeding
    Can`t hide sick ones you`re weeding

    Can you be as God am
    Can I be as my God am
    Can I be as my God am
    God of all my God am
    God am
    God am
    God am God am
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    CrakrJak Male 40-49
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    August 30, 2010 at 12:04 pm
    Kougaiji: I was responding to pnolan`s `atrocity` comment specifically. Crime happens around the world and isn`t exclusive to any particular belief. If person A robs a gas station to feed person A`s family, Yes it`s a crime, A crime of desperation. Does this mean Person A is a Christian, muslim, buddhist ? If you can determine that then you`re clairvoyant and you should start playing the lottery. People are fallible, No one is perfect and to say Person A is evil therefore they must be B type religion is baloney.

    Secondly, It`s not my place to judge. In fact my religion insists that I forgive and That can be a very hard pill to swallow sometimes. I do not generally believe atheists are hypnotized, or buddhists are stoned, or muslims are hiding in closets. I can`t recall ever typing such nonsense.
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    CrakrJak Male 40-49
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    August 30, 2010 at 12:13 pm
    Altaru: I will NEVER teach my kids any crap about Santa.

    So you are just going to take away the magic, fantasy, and wonder out of Christmas and replace it with materialism ? That sounds crueler to me than allowing a child to enjoy the idea of Santa.

    I know Santa isn`t real, But some of my most fond childhood memories are of unexpected gifts from `Santa`. I`d never want that feeling taken away from any child. It`s an analog for giving and charity that still lives in me today.
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    haveheart Female 18-29
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    August 30, 2010 at 12:18 pm
    i. dont. care.
    i wanna laugh when i come here. not get annoyed.
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    PunkAsF82 Female 18-29
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    August 30, 2010 at 12:36 pm
    can i marry this pic? :D
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    Altaru Male 18-29
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    August 30, 2010 at 12:47 pm
    How many suicidal bombers have killed people lately?
    ... Please tell me you`re joking...

    Although liberal families` incomes average 6 percent higher than those of conservative families, conservative-headed households give, on average, 30 percent more to charity than the average liberal-headed household ($1,600 per year vs. $1,227).
    Did they factor giving to churches into all this? `Cause if so, then this statistic is SEVERELY skewed... One way or the other...

    Jesus is the Christ. He is the SOn of God. If you choose not to believe it, that`s your choice but it is the truth.
    Huh... Interesting that this should be posted only 3 comments before the following...

    The only fact is that there are no facts and Faith is believing without hard proof.
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    Altaru Male 18-29
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    August 30, 2010 at 12:53 pm
    So you are just going to take away the magic, fantasy, and wonder out of Christmas and replace it with materialism?
    No, I`m going to teach them the concept of eventually being rewarded for good deeds throughout the year, like with Santa and his Naughty/Nice list.

    The only difference will be, instead of making them think of some magic flying fat man in a red suit, they`re going to believe that their parents love them, and want them to be good, and that if they are good, they`ll be rewarded. That way, when they reach the age where kids stop believing in Santa, they don`t have to suddenly awaken to the understanding that maybe the world isn`t a magical place filled with fairies, unicorns, Santa, the Easter Bunny, etc.

    Instead, what there IS in this world, is kindness, beauty in nature, parents who love you, etc...

    Like I said, they`re going to learn about REAL happiness, instead of imaginary BS.
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    Altaru Male 18-29
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    August 30, 2010 at 12:59 pm
    On the note I ended with...

    Ever wonder why things like the Depression (mental sickness) rate have gone up?

    It`s because all of our childhood we`re taught all these imaginary BS concepts about what real happiness is, how Santa is putting gifts under our tree, our parents and neighbors lives are perfect because they put smiles on their faces, etc.

    Then we grow up, and realize that the world isn`t perfect. In fact, it sucks. And since we were never taught what TRUE happiness is, we`re left depressed and wondering what to do.

    Some people find their happiness in the last imaginary crap left, religion.

    (cont.)
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    Altaru Male 18-29
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    August 30, 2010 at 1:00 pm
    Others, like me, have found that just climbing out on my roof and watching a sunset can make me feel better than a new video-game or anything "Santa" ever gave me.

    And I`m going to teach my kids that. Instead of letting them grasp at the last strands of imaginary happiness they can find, I`ll teach them to find something real, and hold on to it as tight as they can.

    That way, they`ll never have to deal with losing some idea they treasured, like the "idea of Santa Claus."

    They`ll always have something concrete to hold on to that will make them happy.
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    CrakrJak Male 40-49
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    August 30, 2010 at 1:05 pm
    Altaru: Did they factor giving to churches into all this? `Cause if so, then this statistic is SEVERELY skewed

    Arthur C. Brooks is an independent social scientist, He went into the endeavor of writing his book with the same prejudice you have, When the data came back he didn`t believe it and scrutinized it again. Then he changed his mind. I suggest you read it, "Who Really Cares: The Surprising Truth About Compassionate Conservatism", It`s very informative.
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    CrakrJak Male 40-49
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    August 30, 2010 at 1:33 pm
    Altaru: So now you`re trying to link `Santa` with depression later in life ? Really ?

    That way, they`ll never have to deal with losing some idea they treasured, like the "idea of Santa Claus."

    They never have to deal the loss of that `idea`. True `Santa` isn`t real and that revelation might be briefly sad, But the joy of giving is real and that is a gift that lasts a lifetime.

    It taught me to learn to give without looking for reward, To give anonymously. To me that is part of the `Idea of Santa`.

    Matthew 6: 3 But when thou doest alms, let not thy left hand know what thy right hand doeth:

    4 That thine alms may be in secret: and thy Father which seeth in secret himself shall reward thee openly.

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    splurbyburbl Male 30-39
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    August 30, 2010 at 1:39 pm
    "Jesus is the Christ. He is the SOn of God. If you choose not to believe it, that`s your choice but it is the truth."

    Cool story, bro. Now only if you can just provide me with some proof, you know... when you`re not too busy witnessing to some other potential moron.
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    Altaru Male 18-29
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    August 30, 2010 at 1:42 pm
    So now you`re trying to link `Santa` with depression later in life ?
    The "idea of Santa" represented the larger concept of how we`re taught as kids that the world is such a magical and pretty place full of happy people.

    And then, that concept is ripped rather rudely from us later on in life.

    Also...

    It taught me to learn to give without looking for reward, To give anonymously.
    How does the concept of a Naughty/Nice list determining whether you get coal or presents help you to learn to do good deeds without hope for a reward?

    And I also added Kindness into the equation as a REAL good thing in this world. In other words, you don`t need magical bullcrap to learn to be a kind person. And you`re better off without it.

    I`d say kindness pretty much covers the whole idea of giving, while at the same time instituting a reward system makes it so they don`t expect to be given anything for nothing. Karma.
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    CrakrJak Male 40-49
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    August 30, 2010 at 1:54 pm
    Altaru: Unless you sit your kids in front of Barney the dinosaur or Nickelodeon all day, I seriously doubt they will believe that `world is such a magical and pretty place full of happy people`

    The idea of Santa isn`t about sheltering kids from reality, It`s about giving. The doing `good deeds` and being kind lessons need to reinforced year round, Otherwise they end up as spoiled brats only behaving near their birthday or holidays.
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    CrakrJak Male 40-49
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    August 30, 2010 at 2:01 pm
    On a side note, We train pets with immediate reward.

    Doing so with children turns them into people like Paris Hilton. Kids need to know to do the right things year round, Without expectation of immediate reward. The idea of Santa should not be used as behavior control method for kids around Christmas time. Otherwise, What if they misbehave badly ? Parents threatening to tell Santa they were bad or to take away Christmas presents sends the wrong message.
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    premierwondr Male 18-29
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    August 30, 2010 at 2:04 pm
    11 pages...That was a fun read.

    Religion has caused many, many difficulties.
    Religion is also responsible for many good acts.

    The thing is that I don`t believe that good acts would not be carried out whether or not there was religion. I`d like to believe that without God people would still be charitable. Rather than churches running youth programs and donations it would be secular agencies.

    I`m not sure where the future of religion is heading. From the experiences I`ve had at my college and with my peers it certainly seems to be losing its strength--definitely it`s allure.
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    Altaru Male 18-29
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    August 30, 2010 at 2:10 pm
    The idea of Santa isn`t about sheltering kids from reality, It`s about giving.
    No, the original story of Saint Nicholas was about giving. Putting coins in the shoes of children, etc. A story about something real.

    The story of Santa Claus is another magical concept that we tell kids to keep them from looking at what`s real. And he`s also become nothing more than a mascot for companies to rape in order to promote their products. For that matter, he`s been that way ever since he turned red...

    The doing `good deeds` and being kind lessons need to reinforced year round, Otherwise they end up as spoiled brats only behaving near their birthday or holidays.
    Which is where the idea of Santa watching you year-round comes from...

    But that aside, rewarding good and punishing bad is karma in action. Of course it needs to be enforced year-round. But holidays and birthdays, etc. become focusing points for the good things that aren`t as
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    Tretarn Male 18-29
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    August 30, 2010 at 2:13 pm
    I wonder where the world would have been today if religion never got a foot hold, I wonder how far science could have come without religion continuously resisting it even to today and I wonder what sort of society we would be living in without religion teaching discrimination to its followers throughout history.

    Why to be good does somebody need to follow a bronze age book riddled with torture, genocide, infantcide, inconsistencies etc

    The main thing that seperates us humans from the majority of other species on this planet is our higher thought functions, which we have used to build everything around us but what`s the point of having it if the majority of people on the planet don`t use it to deduce the most logical answer to a question, whose answer will dominate the majority of their lives?

    If there is no direct and repeatable evidence to support something, then why have good reason to believe it exists?

    Just a few thoughts to consider.
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    Altaru Male 18-29
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    August 30, 2010 at 2:15 pm
    (damn character limit)

    Finishing what I was saying...

    Birthdays and Holidays and the like become focusing points for the good things that often go overlooked.

    I mean, think about it. If a kid does something wrong, like wrecking the new car or failing classes, the punishment is usually quick and immediate. Grounding, taking away things, etc.

    Then when they bring home straight A`s the entire school year, it gives them something to look forward to if they know that, should they do it, they`ll get something they really want for their birthday, Christmas, etc.

    Having those chosen points in time as the rounding points for good karma, means that they`ll believe that good deeds and patience will get them what they want eventually.
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    Altaru Male 18-29
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    August 30, 2010 at 2:19 pm
    I wonder how far science could have come without religion continuously resisting it even to today



    That answer your question?
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    Tretarn Male 18-29
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    August 30, 2010 at 2:33 pm
    @Altaru, yep that pretty much answers that question quite conclusivly, thanks for the information!
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    gary8162 Male 40-49
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    August 30, 2010 at 2:33 pm
    Angilion; I`m not sure how you read my post and came away with me being religious. It`s one thing to believe in a higher power,which I do, and it`s quite another to believe in or belong to an organized religion, which I don`t. Personally, I don`t even care for the word religious mainly for the connotation it implies. I was raised Catholic. I was an altar boy. I went parochial schools my whole life. I actually enjoyed my time in school but could never stand the whole subservient thing required by the church...not to mention the guilt that was ingrained in me by the church. Can`t tell you how much fun that was. You don`t even want know what I went through just for being left handed.

    My whole point (perhaps badly worded) was my beliefs are that there is a higher power. I have no name for it but others might call it God. When I die, my life force moves on to the next phase of existence. Others might say it this way, "Your soul went to Heaven". This is how I now sleep bet
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    Sarph Male 18-29
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    August 30, 2010 at 2:43 pm
    @ puppies04 I never said one group of people were more right than another. I just pin-pointed the fact that the majority of the more violent (and thus more dangerous) actions come from one of the groups. Anti-gay parades are pathetic in my opinion, however suicidal bombing is freaking scary. The question about suicidal bombing was rhetorical, I was trying to underline a point. And just FYI, I`m Atheist, so I think all conflicts started by religion is complete bullpoo, ESPECIALLY the ones about who`s right.
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    gary8162 Male 40-49
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    August 30, 2010 at 2:47 pm
    ter at night. I`ll tell you right now I don`t subscribe to that line of thinking. That said, I also have great respect for those who do believe. My country was founded under religious freedom and although i don`t believe in any religion per say, I will defend to the death anyone`s right to believe what they want as long as they don`t impose it on anyone else. Voicing an idea is fine, Imposing it is not. At any rate, my soap box is starting to collapse so I`m stepping off now. May God go with you. (kidding).
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    Mindless2164 Male 18-29
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    August 30, 2010 at 2:58 pm
    Ah, the old poltical cartoons where you put the words in your opponent`s mouth and start arguing against it without giving a poo about what they really mean...

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    Abandonnez Male 18-29
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    August 30, 2010 at 2:59 pm
    @Altaru, Thank you.
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    Altaru Male 18-29
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    August 30, 2010 at 3:00 pm
    Ah, the old poltical cartoons where you put the words in your opponent`s mouth and start arguing against it without giving a poo about what they really mean...
    Again...

    The woman who wrote this was raised Fundamentalist, but is now an atheist, and most of the stuff she puts in her comics are things that have actually been said to her by people she was arguing with online.
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    Altaru Male 18-29
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    August 30, 2010 at 3:01 pm
    @Altaru, Thank you.
    ???

    Which part?
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    JeffBeau Male 30-39
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    August 30, 2010 at 3:23 pm
    The "hole" in scientific advancement during the Dark Ages - Medieval period was due more to the socio-political structure and severe poverty of feudalism, which resulted from the collapse of the "progressive", technologically advanced Roman empire. Christianity was popular because it gave meaning to the lives of serfs but had little to do with explicitly stifling science.

    Now as then (Roman empire), scientific advancements were the basis for rejecting a moral code, exterminating those who professed one (i.e. Christians), and imposing tyranny through the proliferation of laws.

    Rinse, lather, repeat.
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    Septemberex Female 13-17
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    August 30, 2010 at 3:26 pm
    What a beaten horse.
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    pnolan Male 18-29
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    August 30, 2010 at 4:09 pm
    @CrakrJak

    I think that you are well aware that you are skewing what I say so that you can make a irrelevant argument seem relative.

    I didn`t say all people who commit any crime are christian. I said that Christians are currently causing the most widespread atrocities in the world. I can cite the KKK, homophobia, AIDs in Africa. These three issues hurt millions of people all over the world, who aren`t doing anything but something that does not fall in line with the Christian morality system. I am well aware of what an atrocity is. Are you?

    I am not blaming ALL of Christianity. But it is very clear to me that for all of the good that it does, it also has encouraged many other people to do evil in its name, and gain a following that they would not otherwise have if they could not cite the Bible.

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    CrakrJak Male 40-49
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    August 30, 2010 at 4:25 pm
    Pnolan: Christians are currently causing the most widespread atrocities in the world.

    I believe that is not only unsubstantiated but also inflammatory. You are seriously going to blame the KKK, Homophobia, and AIDS in Africa on Christians ?

    That just goes beyond a reason, If you do. Might I remind you that several religions are not kind to gays, AIDS is because people there don`t use condoms, and the KKK is not Christian (Despite their claims). The Bible does NOT say hate thy neighbor.

    Man you really stretched that argument beyond the breaking point there. Set up some more of those absurd examples, It`s easier than knocking down tin cans with a beachball.
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    Altaru Male 18-29
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    August 30, 2010 at 4:28 pm
    AIDS is because people there don`t use condoms,
    And may I ask what group has been stopping the distribution of condoms, and proper sex education, as proposed countless times in the past?
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    CrakrJak Male 40-49
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    August 30, 2010 at 4:30 pm
    pnolan: Anyone can misquote the bible out of context and claim their judgment righteous, Even when it`s grossly against all accept Christian teaching.
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    CrakrJak Male 40-49
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    August 30, 2010 at 4:37 pm
    Altaru: Show me where any Christian group has taken condoms away from Africans. You can`t, Because they haven`t. Abstinence helps keep AIDS from spreading as well, There is no harm in it.
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    CrakrJak Male 40-49
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    August 30, 2010 at 4:44 pm
    Several factors contribute to the spread of HIV. For one, a stigma is attached to admitting to HIV infection and to using condoms. As well, many deny that HIV causes AIDS. Thabo Mbeki, former President of South Africa, and Robert Mugabe, current President of Zimbabwe, have both suggested AIDS stems from poverty rather than HIV infection. And finally, many myths are attached to the use of condoms, such as the ideas that a conspiracy wants to limit the growth of the African population and that condoms stifle the traditional power of the man in his community.

    Wiki Source
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    Altaru Male 18-29
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    August 30, 2010 at 4:44 pm
    Altaru: Show me where any Christian group has taken condoms away from Africans. You can`t, Because they haven`t. Abstinence helps keep AIDS from spreading as well, There is no harm in it.
    *facepalm*

    That is all.
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    CrakrJak Male 40-49
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    August 30, 2010 at 4:46 pm
    As I said, They don`t use condoms and it`s not because they don`t know what they are or how to use them.
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    Andyl Male 18-29
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    August 30, 2010 at 4:48 pm
    "Abstinence helps keep AIDS from spreading as well, There is no harm in it."

    Excuse me, but in that case how the heck are the Africans supposed to reproduce? Are you suggesting some form of voluntary eugenics for those with AIDS?

    I know you`re not, but that`s the sort of thought process that makes these arguments tireless and useless.

    (P.S. Abstinence is also a heck of a lot less fun)
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    bleong Male 30-39
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    August 30, 2010 at 4:48 pm
    I feel like this is bad repost, not the cartoon, every single post after that.

    Yeah, I`m part of the problem. But hasn`t Altaru gone off on the same Santa Claus rant in the past?

    Do Hindus, Buddhists or Muslims (or athiests for that matter) WANT to go to Christian Heaven? Do they even believe it?

    There is great wisdom in Hinduism, concepts that I`ve had to think about for days (still thinking about them), Buddhist meditation (from the little I`ve done) is wonderful. There are tons of self improvement in every religion I`ve studied and that shouldn`t be invalidated, but I believe that Salvation is the through Jesus. It`s my belief, attack it if you will.

    Before you say there is no evidence for the bible, check out the archeological support for the Old Testament, I think it`s at least thought provoking. And yes, I accept there is no direct evidence.

    P.S. I LOVE to question my own religion, my church leaders and other people`s religions.
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    Tretarn Male 18-29
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    August 30, 2010 at 4:50 pm
    Crakrjak when the pope starts telling his several million followers that condoms are immoral and sinful this will have a knock on effect, especially in Africa where Christianity is rapidly rising.

    So many lives could be saved if the pope stopped comming out with idiotic statements like that.
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    KayseaDuckie Female 18-29
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    August 30, 2010 at 4:51 pm
    Hey. Not all Christians are like this. Just like not all Muslims are terrorists. It`s about the same ratio, except these obnoxious Christians just grab more attention because they`re douchebags.

    Now. People have different religions and disagree. Get the drat over it and stop making fun of Christians. No one cares.
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    CrakrJak Male 40-49
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    August 30, 2010 at 4:54 pm
    Altaru: You do know that `karma` comes from Hinduism as a `spiritually originated law` correct ?
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    CrakrJak Male 40-49
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    August 30, 2010 at 4:57 pm
    Andyl: Do you believe that AIDS infected individuals regardless of their geographic location have should unprotected sex or have children ?

    Please tell me you are smarter than that. No one should be trying to conceive a child if they have AIDS.
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    Andyl Male 18-29
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    August 30, 2010 at 4:59 pm
    "Hey. Not all Christians are like this. Just like not all Muslims are terrorists. It`s about the same ratio, except these obnoxious Christians just grab more attention because they`re douchebags."

    Actually I think that`s rather offensive to Muslims. Obnoxious Christians are two a penny. Terrorists are not.

    "No one cares."

    Hah, yeah. 12 pages of no one caring.
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    Altaru Male 18-29
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    August 30, 2010 at 5:06 pm
    Altaru: You do know that `karma` comes from Hinduism as a `spiritually originated law` correct ?
    Yes, and I`ve also noticed that it`s the best way to describe something that I have observed with my own two eyes in this world.

    The fact that your actions return to you. Good deeds lead to good results, foul deeds to foul results. Immediately, or over time.

    A full circle where everything comes back to it`s point of origin eventually.

    And I actually pay a fair amount of attention to Buddhism. Not as a religion, mind you, but as a teaching, a way of life, as it was originally.

    Again, as with many things I study and know about... I don`t exactly follow all the rules...

    But hasn`t Altaru gone off on the same Santa Claus rant in the past?
    Not that I know of... But then again, I have a terrible memory, so you can`t really trust me on this one. I have pretty much always hated Santa Claus, though.
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    dax2009 Female 50-59
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    August 30, 2010 at 5:06 pm
    pnolan - Christians caused aids in Africa? What have you been smoking?
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    CrakrJak Male 40-49
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    August 30, 2010 at 5:09 pm
    Tretarn: Actually the Pope as has 1.1 billion Catholics as followers, The vast majority of which do not reside in Africa. It`s also really condescending to imply that all Catholics are robots only doing what the Pope says. If that were so they`d have no need of confession.
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    Andyl Male 18-29
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    August 30, 2010 at 5:16 pm
    "Please tell me you are smarter than that. No one should be trying to conceive a child if they have AIDS."

    Oh my God you actually are proposing the whole eugenics thing. If people with AIDS want to have children I won`t take that right away from them. And just because you have AIDS doesn`t mean that your life is worthless and should end immediately, and especially does not mean it should never happen at all. From a philosophical standpoint I would argue that it would genuinely be preferable to live with AIDS, if only for a short time, than to never live at all. And surely from a Christian standpoint you should see that as better too because you believe these people would go to heaven.

    On top of that I`m all for condoms - why fight our natural instincts like you suggest? I don`t condone sex while infected with HIV, but I actually realise it can`t be stopped and so that`s why condoms are clearly the better option. Duh.
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    Andyl Male 18-29
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    August 30, 2010 at 5:20 pm
    I read your comment again and can`t believe I missed it the first time - you believe that NO ONE with AIDS should reproduce? It`s perfectly possible with the healthcare of today to live a long happy life despite being HIV positive. And also it doesn`t stop you from contributing to society as a whole. The sort of thought processes you`re condoning are more of a virus that HIV ever will be.
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    CrakrJak Male 40-49
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    August 30, 2010 at 5:32 pm
    Andyl: If people with AIDS want to have children I won`t take that right away from them.

    No I`m NOT proposing any sort of eugenics. You do know that people with AIDS give birth to babies with AIDS right ? And that there is no cure for AIDS ? Who would wish that a kid be born with AIDS ? Seriously!
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    CrakrJak Male 40-49
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    August 30, 2010 at 5:39 pm
    I`m washing my hands of this topic, Flame away, I`ve had enough.
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    Andyl Male 18-29
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    August 30, 2010 at 5:45 pm
    CrakrJak have you actually read what I wrote? And you actually are proposing some form of eugenics if you believe that people with AIDS shouldn`t reproduce. Stopping people from reproducing so that they can`t pass on their condition. That`s eugenics. So yes, I do understand that if you have AIDS, your child will get it too. You clearly just don`t understand my arguments, or just refuse to take them on board because you`re too narrow-minded.
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    pnolan Male 18-29
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    August 30, 2010 at 5:51 pm
    @Dax

    No, I don`t believe that Christians caused AIDs. But I do think that the Pope is in a position to save A LOT of lives by taking a step back. Would AIDs spread anyway? Yes. But saying that things would happen any way isn`t a defense if they would happen a lot less.
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    lerie Female 18-29
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    August 30, 2010 at 5:57 pm
    Hey, the panel where she says Wiccans worship Satan in drag is missing. D: I feel left out. XD
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    Andyl Male 18-29
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    August 30, 2010 at 6:02 pm
    I apologise profusely for really hammering the stake into the ground everyone, but I just want CrakrJak to read these posts and really let them resonate around his head.

    If you call this flaming then what have you been doing this whole time? It is possible to argue sensibly and not flame people (as I thought we were). Of course by calling it flaming it seems that you suggest you tried to argue but we just barraged you with crap. Untrue. We tried to reason with you but you wouldn`t listen. If you`re trying to send out a message that we`re just unintelligent typing machines then that is false. The reason why this wasn`t working is because you simply wouldn`t face any argument head on. I think that`s a shame, really. Instead of a decent debate we were left with an untidy quarrel.

    Also, I know that you`re attempting to leave with your head held high. But that ship sailed a long time ago. It sailed for all as us as soon as we started posting on this stupid forum.
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    Mr_Chubbles Female 13-17
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    August 30, 2010 at 6:24 pm
    None of you people know your internet 101`s. You AREN`T SUPPOSED TO RESPOND TO TROLLS. If everyone would just settle down and accept that some people are wrong, and even though if they adapted your viewpoint the world would be a healthier place, they won`t, nobody would get their feelings hurt.

    CrakrJak, trolling is an art. I respect you for doing it so perfectly time after time.
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    pui Female 18-29
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    August 30, 2010 at 6:40 pm
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    mee2 Male 13-17
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    August 30, 2010 at 7:25 pm
    Hey, you, pui. I love you for continuing the dominance of xkcd on the interwebs.

    Anyway, yes, this. Exactly this.
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    dax2009 Female 50-59
    322 posts
    August 30, 2010 at 10:12 pm
    Andyl - there is an entire generation missing in Africa because of AIDS. There are far too many orphans there.
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    CrakrJak Male 40-49
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    August 30, 2010 at 10:54 pm
    Andyl: The only thing resonating in my mind is the bewilderment that you are not the only person in the world to hold the same views.
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    Vanadil Male 18-29
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    August 31, 2010 at 4:54 am
    wtf`s a moslem?
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    yugipie Female 18-29
    31 posts
    August 31, 2010 at 6:05 am
    ???? THIS IS WRIED! )-| I belive in diffent cultures must have diffemt heavens for there own belief. That my opion, don`t need to trash my opion. o:-)
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    som-tam Male 18-29
    713 posts
    August 31, 2010 at 6:19 am
    what utter pooe, i`m not religious but the constant anti christian posts are boring and gutless. i know christians can be a bit of a pain but all people can no matter what they believe and i dont see any anti islamic posts here (maybe there were but i just missed them sorry if this is the case).

    this is symbolic of modern fashionable political beliefs.
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    Francakes Female 18-29
    157 posts
    August 31, 2010 at 6:25 am
    We`ve heard it a million times before IAB. Christians are ridiculous. Those stupid God fearing bunch like Albert Einstein, Steven Pratt, and Obama really drive me crazy with their retarded ideas.
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    Sarph Male 18-29
    194 posts
    August 31, 2010 at 8:11 am
    As I see it, bashing of Christianity on IAB is bashing of religion. Who would want to make fun of Islam anyway? Christians don`t pass out death sentences on individuals with an opinion.
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    Jameh Male 18-29
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    August 31, 2010 at 8:54 am
    Last time I checked, Buddhism was a lifestyle, not a religion.
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    omgitsx564 Female 13-17
    30 posts
    August 31, 2010 at 4:41 pm
    buddhism is a philosophy or lifestyle, not a religion.
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    Angilion Male 40-49
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    August 31, 2010 at 5:04 pm
    wtf`s a moslem?

    I`ll repeat myself to explain again.

    *The only right spelling is the one in Arabic.*

    Any spelling in any other language is an attempt to recreate the same sound in that language.

    The sound varies due to languages, accents and dialects, both in the target language and Arabic(*). e.g. the same arrangement of letters would be pronounced 3 different ways by a Parisian, Londoner and New Yorker.

    It is, therefore, impossible to have a single correct spelling for the rest of the world, or even for any single language, or even for any single dialect. In fact, since there are variations in pronunciation in the original language, it`s impossible to have a single correct spelling in any other language even for one person with one accent in one dialect of one language.


    * Are there dialects in Arabic? Not that it matters in this context, as there are other languages, dialects and accents.
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    junkaddy Female 30-39
    261 posts
    August 31, 2010 at 11:53 pm
    Christians are safer to bash than Muslims because when Christians get mad - even Christian extremists - they`ll only scream and yell and hold rallies and try futilely to pass laws. But piss off an extremist Muslim and you and everyone you know get blown up.

    Yeah, I know that most Christians and most Muslims are peaceful people. Please do note my use of the word "extremist."
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    xavroche Male 30-39
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    September 2, 2010 at 3:23 pm
    Christianity does not state that non-Christians do not go to heaven. While obviously this is just a cartoon and shouldn`t be taken too seriously, I do take seriously all the idiots who felt obliged to post in this thread and criticize something they know nothing about.
    There are over 30 000 different denominations of Christians so it`s hard to speak for all of them, but most Christians would agree that the Sermon on the Mount (Matt 5-7) clearly states that accepting Christ(and hence being a Christian) is neither a necessary nor a sufficient means of ascending into heaven, but rather that access to heaven is based on righteousness.
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    xavroche Male 30-39
    819 posts
    September 2, 2010 at 3:45 pm
    Concerning the aids/childbearing debate.... A mother does not always pass aids to her offspring, in fact the rate of infection is about one in three and this drops with medicine. Either way eugenics is a demonically slippery slope.

    Concerning the linguistics: "moslem" is an accepted alternate spelling for muslim present in the merriam-webster. On top of that, dito what Angilion said...
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    fishgul69 Female 18-29
    914 posts
    September 3, 2010 at 9:14 pm
    junkaddy obviously forgot the crusades, the salem witch trials and the kkk. they are all christian funded atrocities. extremist, yes. dangerous as all fcuk, yes. where they more tolerant of others historically compared to the moslems, fcuk no.
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    Tiger86 Male 18-29
    65 posts
    October 15, 2010 at 9:21 pm
    Don`t blame religion, blame stupid people using religion.
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