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97 Responses to Hospital Kidnapping? Right Or Wrong?

  1. Profile photo of PreoSmo
    PreoSmo Female 18-29
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    August 17, 2010 at 12:40 am
    Link: Hospital Kidnapping? Right Or Wrong? - Girl has epileptic seizure with knife in hand, hospital attempts to keep her and accused her of attempted suicide.
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    NewYorkHippi Female 13-17
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    August 17, 2010 at 12:05 pm
    what the hell is going on int his video? O_O
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    avalon Male 18-29
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    August 17, 2010 at 12:11 pm
    according to the guy that posted it, she lied. She was actually trying to kill herself.
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    Keyh Male 18-29
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    August 17, 2010 at 12:13 pm
    So, look at it this way. They let her go, she ends up killing herself.

    The Hospital would be blamed for letting her go after seeing something that could remotely be construed as a suicide attempt.

    The entire family`s actions during the video don`t really help prove the case of them being very stable.
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    xbx214 Male 18-29
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    August 17, 2010 at 12:16 pm
    Idk if I understood 100% the situation but I feel that if the Parent wants to go home they have NO right to keep them there even if she was dying its the parents descition. They need to get away from him.
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    auburnjunky Male 30-39
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    August 17, 2010 at 12:17 pm
    I can`t agree with putting the kids through that.

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    Altaru Male 18-29
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    August 17, 2010 at 12:18 pm
    The entire family`s actions during the video don`t really help prove the case of them being very stable.
    This. Seriously, why would you bring KIDS to do something like this?

    There were two of them, so one of the guys could have stayed home and watched the kids while the other got the woman.

    Instead, they traumatized their children for the sake of being able to sue the hospital for more money.

    In fact, I agree with the entirety of Keyh`s post. If she gets let go and actually DOES commit suicide, then the hospital gets even MORE sh*t for not holding someone who showed signs of being suicidal.

    Seriously, if you have an issue, take it up with the courts from the start. Don`t go kicking and screaming through a HOSPITAL. Now she`s just going to have to stay LONGER, in MORE restraints, and deal with MORE psych evaluations...

    I feel little to no sympathy at this point.
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    Altaru Male 18-29
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    August 17, 2010 at 12:22 pm
    Okay, NOW they are OFFICIALLY f*cked.

    The following quote was from the POSTER OF THE VIDEO on the original Youtube page:

    Even though she did try to kill herself, the hospital was still wrong in the way they responded.
    Yep. I am officially on the hospital`s side. I hope this comment gets shown in the court case.
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    Keyh Male 18-29
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    August 17, 2010 at 12:26 pm
    The family put their kids through that, not the Hospital.

    Also, as avalon said, it turned out she did try to kill herself:

    -----------------------------------
    @divinacomedias Even though she did try to kill herself, the hospital was still wrong in the way they responded.
    bigfatpothead 1 hour ago

    @snorman1911 Well, now according to her mom and grandma, she tried to kill herself, and has done it before. Her oldman and her both lied to me and said that she never did this before. I was only trying to help and I was misled. I do feel that hospitals need to better inform families what is going on. I apologized to the hospital.
    bigfatpothead 1 hour ago
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    meepmaker Male 30-39
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    August 17, 2010 at 12:30 pm
    What ever.
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    BlooPikachu Female 18-29
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    August 17, 2010 at 12:32 pm
    I side with the hospital 100 percent on this one. That was totally uncalled for.
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    Altaru Male 18-29
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    August 17, 2010 at 12:35 pm
    Hah hah...

    Now I`m just amused. This is just a HUGE joke now...

    It got on his local news, and he was interviewed and all that.

    Turns out, this guy`s trying to run for county sheriff in his area. And promising to legalize Mary Jane.

    He can kiss that career good-bye.

    Don`t you just love it when people ruin their lives because they couldn`t be patient and check all the facts before charging in?
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    the_windy Female 18-29
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    August 17, 2010 at 12:35 pm
    "So, look at it this way. They let her go, she ends up killing herself.

    The Hospital would be blamed for letting her go after seeing something that could remotely be construed as a suicide attempt."

    It`s to my understanding that when you are being relesed from the hospital before the doctors say you are allowed to, you have to sign something saying that you understand you (or your legal dependant) are leaving against the doctors orders.
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    LandoGriffin Male 30-39
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    August 17, 2010 at 12:44 pm
    Why was the dad being so stubborn? The hospital is trying to keep her alive. They didn`t let me take my kid out of the hospital until the M.D. came and signed the release. Why does the dad in this video think he gets some kind of special treatment and doesn`t need the M.D. to sign off like everyone else? The hospital is liable for what happens until the M.D. discharges her.
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    drworm2002 Male 30-39
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    August 17, 2010 at 12:44 pm
    He was wrong on so many levels.
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    Freddy336 Male 18-29
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    August 17, 2010 at 12:46 pm
    It`s disgusting that the 2 guys would bring the kids along for this. To top it off the mom hid behind the kids. Now not only does the mom need to be put in a psych ward, the kids need therapy for having to go through this.
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    pmarren Male 40-49
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    August 17, 2010 at 12:46 pm
    That made me hungry.
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    Rick_S Male 40-49
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    August 17, 2010 at 12:47 pm
    Regardless of whether the hospital was right or wrong in their assessment, they had the legal right to do what they did. Taking her from the hospital is against the law. Two wrongs never make a right. As a father, I know I would have insisted on talking to the doctor who had the hold on her, or the hospital administrator, immediately. How far that would have gotten me, I don`t know. Short of that, I would have waited the 72 hours (it`s three days, people), while I contacted a lawyer to see if I had any case to sue. I would not contact a lawyer to get her out, as that would cost me money, and I wouldn`t pay the bill beyond the ER, as the hospital was wrong.
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    Altaru Male 18-29
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    August 17, 2010 at 12:48 pm
    Why was the dad being so stubborn?
    Wanna hear something that makes this all worse?

    He LIED to the hospital. He`s her cousin. As in, NOT her legal guardian.

    If there are ANY legal repercussions from this, they`re going to be against him and her.

    And If I had been in that hospital as a patient at that time, I think I would have walked over and slapped some duct tape over their mouths. They tell you to keep your voice down in hospitals so patients can recover in peace. Not deal with idiots kicking and screaming down the hall-ways...
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    Midge210 Female 18-29
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    August 17, 2010 at 1:05 pm
    "Everything that they`ve done here, you guys will be millionaires."

    Of course, another low-life looking for a lawsuit to try and get some money that they are too pathetic to try and earn themselves.
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    JUGGALETTEx0 Female 18-29
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    August 17, 2010 at 1:11 pm
    @Altaru she was in a psych ward...those get quite chaotic.
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    PunkRocky Female 18-29
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    August 17, 2010 at 1:22 pm
    The guy could of just waited for her to be released and if he thought the hospital was in the wrong he could of taken more sane, legal actions.
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    evanstonian8 Male 40-49
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    August 17, 2010 at 1:29 pm
    The hospital or the hospital workers that are now posted all over the net should sue this idiot for filming them. They were just doing their job and seizures can make a person act as crazy as anything. The hospital was obligated consider suicide as a possible diagnosis until they know otherwise. I hope the guy gets sued to the point he can never afford a video camera again.
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    Braber01 Male 18-29
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    August 17, 2010 at 1:29 pm
    Hell I would of Killed them both just for making that much noise
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    kribbe Male 18-29
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    August 17, 2010 at 1:32 pm
    they should have cut out the part of them bragging about how rich they would become
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    ScottSerious Male 18-29
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    August 17, 2010 at 1:34 pm
    that was boring
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    jhutch38 Male 18-29
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    August 17, 2010 at 1:45 pm
    Wow... Another idiot who thinks they can diagnose and treat medical conditions better than the doctors who have spent years in school and on the job training to learn it. I don`t like those people.
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    matsuri_aka Female 18-29
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    August 17, 2010 at 1:46 pm
    The hospital staff are acting for the benefit of the patient. If I wasn`t told she had a seizure, the dad looks like he`s in denial. Who knows, maybe she really was suicidal but now feels unable to tell her family her truth. The only information we have is through this video of the dad`s literal perspective.
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    AmberCherry Female 18-29
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    August 17, 2010 at 1:56 pm
    Ugh...I hate watching videos like this..reminds me of work. Anyway why this woman would have a knife in the emergency room is beyond me..its obvious that she needs to be certified by a doctor..and usually when patients are certified there is a process where 2 doctors and 1 psychiatrist has to commit them. So usually its 3 people that have deemed this patient unsafe to herself or to others. The fact that they brought a camera in and violated other patients right to privacy is another thing, especially in what looks like a psych ward. The hospital staff handled the situation (although I may be biased) well and I hope that they involved children services in this too because above all I felt so sorry for those kids. That kind of trauma at that age is irreversible.
    I`m glad to see most commenter here agree! Hopefully most people do. Mental Health nurses have a horrible job, I don`t envy them in the least.
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    Gerry1of1 Male 50-59
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    August 17, 2010 at 1:58 pm
    The correct thing was for him to call the police, not try to do it all himself IN FRONT OF HIS CHILDREN.... Idiot.
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    Sieging Male 13-17
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    August 17, 2010 at 2:03 pm
    Retards...
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    SirFerret Male 18-29
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    August 17, 2010 at 2:03 pm
    Shrug, Torn between who i agree with. Not enough information to make a good opinion
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    DRxSATANx Male 18-29
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    August 17, 2010 at 2:18 pm
    damn people, everyones talkin crap, when this is completley rightouse, drat the healthcare system its corupt and evil, ide rather put my life in the hands of my family rather than some ass hole who will pump me up with all sorts of drugs just to make money, also +10 for the metal head wearin the Skeletonwitch shirt!
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    mar95789 Female 18-29
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    August 17, 2010 at 2:28 pm
    Why would you bring kids to the hospital that you are trying to spring someone from?
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    Space_girl Female 18-29
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    August 17, 2010 at 2:46 pm
    I don`t like any of this at all.
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    Slmmhmmr161 Male 18-29
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    August 17, 2010 at 2:53 pm
    From the YouTube comments section as posted by the video uploader;
    "Well, now according to her mom and grandma, she tried to kill herself, and has done it before. Her old man and her both lied to me and said that she never did this before. I was only trying to help and I was misled. I do feel that hospitals need to better inform families what is going on. I apologized to the hospital."
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    tinkerwing Female 18-29
    90 posts
    August 17, 2010 at 3:04 pm
    Three things:

    1) He is a moron for the way he approached the situation.

    2) She is clearly suicidal if both of her wrists are cut. Nobody would cut both wrists "accidentally" when they have a seizure. She will thank those hospital workers one day.

    3) It is a little rediculous that she can`t leave if she wants to. If she can ask for help, she should be able to refuse it as well. No matter if should stay or not.

    You`re welcome.
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    CrakrJak Male 40-49
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    August 17, 2010 at 3:27 pm
    The hospital has a right to hold people that have attempted suicide.

    I know people with epilepsy, They don`t cut both their wrists with a knife during a seizure.

    Doctors in most states can hold people for 72 hours for psychiatric evaluation.
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    LillianDulci Female 18-29
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    August 17, 2010 at 3:30 pm
    The video made me angry mostly because of the 2 children. According to the maker of the video she actually was suicidal but her dad or someone lied to him and said she wasn`t. They really should have called the cops instead of doing everything they did in the video. Causing more psychological harm to an already psychologically messed up woman is kind of counter productive.
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    SaltyVarnish Male 18-29
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    August 17, 2010 at 3:37 pm
    Wow, just.... wow!!!!

    Mentally scarring your kids and using them as shields. Why are people so stupid? But i have to say if that was my girl, I would want to protect and be there for her as well. to bad this guy is a f^cking moron.
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    Fatninja01 Male 30-39
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    August 17, 2010 at 4:17 pm
    meh!
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    nickyjefferz Male 18-29
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    August 17, 2010 at 4:55 pm
    Regardless of the family, the situation was handled appallingly by the staff at the hospital, especially the security guard and the orderlys.
    what they should have done, is to calm down the situation, Talking calmly and being rational, not accusing, (nothing winds up people more and causes more incidents than "calm down" in an aggressive tone). They should not have cornered the family in the lift, again the security guard was invading his personal space, while laughing at him, constantly being backed up by burly orderlys and aggressive staff. Management should discipline the staff for letting the situation get out of hand and enjoying it when it did, dragging the girl off kicking and screaming never helps, especially when she is suicidal. Discuss...
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    Volsunga Male 18-29
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    August 17, 2010 at 5:57 pm
    having a camera does not make you automatically the victim. Nor does being willfully ignorant of laws and procedure.
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    SKINNERNSC Male 30-39
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    August 17, 2010 at 6:20 pm
    Why is Kanye moonlighting at a hospital?
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    Stelly Male 30-39
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    August 17, 2010 at 6:51 pm
    I knew right in the beginning she was suicidal, look how both wrists have been bandaged up. "I had a seizure with a knife in my hand and miraculously the knife only cut my wrists" and even more weirder, it cut the wrist of the hand holding the knife too...
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    Dead-Kittens Male 30-39
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    August 17, 2010 at 7:26 pm
    So much is left out of this before an informed opinion can be made, but as its the "Land of the Free" they cant legally detain her unless shes being charged with something illegal.
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    zombunny Female 18-29
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    August 17, 2010 at 7:49 pm
    This was poorly handled on both sides. The hospital shouldn`t detain a person against their will unless they`re breaking the law, and the family definitely should have handled the situation calmly like adults. Instead they made it a traumatic experience for their children.
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    dax2009 Female 50-59
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    August 17, 2010 at 8:39 pm
    I`m for the hospital workers all the way. If he had been allowed to take her out, and then she committed suicide, he would have wanted to sue the hospital for that. Ignorant people.
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    jtrebowski Male 40-49
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    August 17, 2010 at 8:51 pm
    @ evanstonian as he said:
    "The hospital or the hospital workers that are now posted all over the net should sue this idiot for filming them. They were just doing their job and seizures can make a person act as crazy as anything. The hospital was obligated consider suicide as a possible diagnosis until they know otherwise. I hope the guy gets sued to the point he can never afford a video camera again."
    Nope. I see where you "people " are coming from. It`s not enough that you want control who marries who, or where places of worship get erected, and now you appoint nurses worki9ng at a hospital as having power over a family that wants to bring their Mom home? I understand that the lady might have some issues, but without a court order, they had an obligation to llet her go. I applaud the family for exposing what can happen if we willingly allow our rights to erode (although I wish the kids hadn`t been there), and screw anyone who supports the "patr
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    strangersdk Male 18-29
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    August 17, 2010 at 10:28 pm
    It`s right up to a certain point. By the way it sounds, it was pretty bullpoo.

    A very good friend of mine had this happen to her - she had two beers and a few advil and felt sick, and her idiot fiance called an ambulance saying she had mixed alcohol and painkillers. They never asked her if she was attempting suicide (With drating advil and beer?), they just detained her much like this woman. Medication was even forced on her, even when she refused to take anything.
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    FlamedNight Male 18-29
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    August 17, 2010 at 10:41 pm
    I`ve been in the hospital allot. They have no right to hold her there. It doesn`t matter if she goes home and kills herself, they have no legal right. If there was they should have shown it in legal documentation or called the police.
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    Siolas Male 30-39
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    August 17, 2010 at 11:06 pm
    I would rip that black draters head off and beat the others with it.
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    rakoonhat Female 30-39
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    August 17, 2010 at 11:14 pm
    i wish they would have called the sheriff, so he could explain to them that she cant leave. the nurse cant let her go, its not her call. all they did here, was disturb the entire floor, scare the f*ck out of a kid, and make themselves look stupid. i hate it when people act a fool in public like that. i dont see why he had such an upstanding problem with her staying the night
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    AustinJay Male 18-29
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    August 17, 2010 at 11:36 pm
    Wow to any of you who think that this is what should happen is completly a heartless moron. I honestly hope that it happens to you I hope someone is detained against their will like this for something as stupid as having a seizure while holding a knife and being accused of suicide and you want her back. Well to bad idiot now go back home with out your mother or wife...or whatever that long hair guy was to her...brother or something idk...you get my point.
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    AustinJay Male 18-29
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    August 17, 2010 at 11:38 pm
    Really though I myself wanted to punch that security black dude in the face rip off his teeth and stab the blind guys good eye with one of his teeth...sort of just mostly the black guy...really I dont see what he is smiling about nothing about the situation at all is funny.
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    KrackerJack Male 40-49
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    August 18, 2010 at 12:28 am
    I have an opinion about this. I love rules and order and feel like freedom is a privilege and not a right. No matter how little authority someone has whether they are a doctor or a security guard you should always listen to them because they know what is best. I also feel that from this shakey video I know this girl better than her father and am quite sure she is suicidal.
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    CrakrJak Male 40-49
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    August 18, 2010 at 12:29 am
    Dead-Kittens: Attempted suicide is a crime, Although it is rarely ever prosecuted.
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    Ripper398 Male 18-29
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    August 18, 2010 at 2:54 am
    wow.. that was entirely f#cked the f#ck up. I would sue too.
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    spikysez Female 18-29
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    August 18, 2010 at 5:03 am
    To all who watch this video I urge you to read the comments before making any. I am an epileptic myself and watched this feeling horrified. Once I read the comments I came to realise there is more behind this video.
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    geek_kittie Female 30-39
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    August 18, 2010 at 6:46 am
    The idea of being held against your will can be frightening, but the family handled this terribly. I can`t help but feel they used their own children to make a scene. It was completely unnecessary to put them through that ordeal.

    The hospital could have dealt with it better, but they were also following the law. The family should have sought an attorney and gone through the proper channels to get her out. Instead they opted for shock value.

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    madest Male 40-49
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    August 18, 2010 at 6:55 am
    KrackerJack is great! Two thumbs up from me buddy!
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    sweetpeadlp Female 40-49
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    August 18, 2010 at 7:08 am
    GET THE FACTS (to the person who made the video) He didnt have all the facts, and therefore is IN THE WRONG. From the Youtube Video>>UPDATE::: Well, now according to her mom and grandma, she tried to kill herself, and has done it before. Her oldman and her both lied to me and said that she never did this before. I was only trying to help and I was misled. I do feel that hospitals need to better inform families what is going on. I called and apologized to the hospital, and will pay for their door.
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    riathrift Female 18-29
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    August 18, 2010 at 7:23 am
    Whether the hospital was in the right or wrong for keeping her there against her will, there were a few things that were grossly mishandled by the hospital staff...

    First the hospital had no one of authority on hand. I understand that even doctors sleep, have families, ect... but I do feel there should have been at least ONE doctor somewhere in that hospital that could have talked to the family. The family asked to see the law, asked to talk to a doctor or someone with authority, and finally asked the hospital to call the police.

    That is point number two, when the hospital emptily threatened to call the police, and the family agreed that it was a good idea... the hospital should have called the police. Doing otherwise showed the emptiness of the threat and immediately put the hospital under suspicion by this family. Showed this family that the hospital was wrong, because they were unwilling to involve the police.

    At this point being shown the Law, speaking
  64. Profile photo of riathrift
    riathrift Female 18-29
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    August 18, 2010 at 7:23 am
    At this point being shown the Law, speaking to a Doctor, or having a police officer come in would have defused the situation immediately - before it got out of hand! Three options, and the hospital CHOSE to take none of them!

    Now to the Security Guard. That man truely made my blood boil. Everything about him made me see red, and I wasn`t even there!! Imagine how the family felt.. Again they refuse to call the police, and then the security guard begins to manhandle the man with the camera... most of which we cannot see because either the man or the glasses with the camera on them fall to the floor and the glasses have to be picked up. Followed by: "You better be glad I didn`t hurt you!" This guy is rearing and ready for a fight!! He admits to hitting the guy with his radio. I can`t say whether claims of the filmer "trying to go for the taser" are true or not, because of the moment when you couldn`t see anything... but I got the impression the man was taken d
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    riathrift Female 18-29
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    August 18, 2010 at 7:24 am
    but I got the impression the man was taken down as to the reason you couldn`t see and I know I didn`t see him reach for the taser before that.

    Beyond that the Security Guard seems to be more antagonizing that trying to solve the problem. Pointing, accusing, acting superior, and looking like he is trying to hold back a SMILE the whole time... and actually smiling some of it! He looks like he is enjoying this! Having a good ole time! Anything but `professional`... and still refusing to call the cops.

    The orderlies should not have touched the children (who I do agree should not have been there for this, but I don`t believe the family expected it to get THIS out of hand... to become so physical), and definitely should not have grabbed her anywhere near where she was bandaged if they truly had her saftey and well being in mind.

    Finally, the mob outside the elevator. Most of those people were just standing around and WATCHING.. They did not need to be there, makin
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    riathrift Female 18-29
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    August 18, 2010 at 7:24 am
    They did not need to be there, making the family feel even more overwhelmed, overpowered, and because of it, more defensive. I understand the people standing at the elevator door, not allowing it to close.... but the three or more people outside the door, peeking in? They didn`t need that many people, and there probably should have been another security guard turning the unneeded away instead of letting them influence the tone of this very cornered family.

    What pisses me off the most, however, is that point I made way up there. This hospital had MULTIPLE chances to defuse the situation without any physical altercation being necessary. Keep a copy of the Law that allows them to keep a woman against her will, if they believe she is a danger to herself and others where they can get to it. Have a doctor there to speak to patients or family... or call the fricking police.

    Other than that, allow the family to leave and, oh wait, here it is again... call the police!! The po
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    riathrift Female 18-29
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    August 18, 2010 at 7:24 am
    The police will go arrest her (and probably him), if that is what the Law tells them to do!

    ~Note: I am not a `call the police!!!` type of person, normally. I rather prefer they stay as far as possible (bad experience as a child)... but I do realize there is a time and place for them. This, I think, was one of them.
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    the-x-ray Male 30-39
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    August 18, 2010 at 7:34 am
    i went to a hospital, didn`t feel to good, they took me to a psychiatry and put me in there for 6 MONTHs ! i have no psychic disease or disability whatsoever, confirmed by 3 different doctors after that. what i had, was diabetes and a heart disfunction. they made me pay some hundred dollars every month, gave me 5 different of the hardest psychic medication there is, so i couldn`t even walk straight and my whole body was shaking.. they told me i had taken drugs (i didn`t) and i was having panic attacks and got an analysis of psychic fear disease. all that from the side effects of the medication. i wasn`t allwowed to leave the bulding or the area for 6 months, the first 2 months i was put in secure station, i couldn`t even leave the floor. i asked them to let me go, they said, we decide tomorrow, gave me lots of medication and showed me to the doctors, i wasnt able to see straight how many people are in the room. now TELL ME, hospitals are NOT keeping patients!
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    RecycleElf Male 18-29
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    August 18, 2010 at 8:00 am
    3:22 the most realisticly epic moment i`ve ever witnessed on youtube. should have ended with a shoot-out
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    nickyjefferz Male 18-29
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    August 18, 2010 at 8:36 am
    100% agree with Riarift, the only sane person on this board...
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    AustinJay Male 18-29
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    August 18, 2010 at 8:54 am
    Yeah all set alone I agree with Ria...usually id say screw calling them..but this is a time..that the man with the camera should have called them though still the hospital took it in the wrong direction even if it is law. Just the way they went about it was awful...but still they should really be allowed to bring her home.
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    geek_kittie Female 30-39
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    August 18, 2010 at 9:03 am
    @ riathrift - I`m not going to side with the hospital on this one. The staff was clearly not trained to handle what happened and did not respond properly.

    Having said that, I believe the family to be equally culpable. The man in the video was very confrontational from the beginning. I truly believe he went in there looking for a fight and a perhaps a reason to sue.

    This woman did indeed attempt suicide and she had done so before. The family lied about this and that makes me question their motives. Did they even attempt to seek legal counsel before storming the doors?
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    Altaru Male 18-29
    3483 posts
    August 18, 2010 at 9:26 am
    (who I do agree should not have been there for this, but I don`t believe the family expected it to get THIS out of hand... to become so physical),
    Basically, these people were attempting to KIDNAP a woman FROM THE HOSPITAL.

    They should have predicted some physical altercation.

    And another thing... How do you know they DIDN`T call the police?

    It could take more than 5-6 minutes for a cop to arrive (depending on traffic and distance from the hospital), enter the hospital, find out where the problem is, and get there (being unable to use one of the elevators), and we don`t know what happened after the camera was turned off.
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    Altaru Male 18-29
    3483 posts
    August 18, 2010 at 9:34 am
    Keep a copy of the Law that allows them to keep a woman against her will, if they believe she is a danger to herself and others where they can get to it.

    1) The group came to the hospital under the belief that the hospital was LYING to them about the suicide attempt (as told by the womans father). In other words, they ALREADY KNEW about the hold, and the fact that she could be held. SHE had called them and told them to bust her out.

    2) I think this is all made that much funnier by the fact that the person recording is running for Sheriff in his area. In other words, one would expect him to know the law...

    I`m going to end this comment by restating my point:

    They walked in with intent to KIDNAP A WOMAN FROM THE HOSPITAL. How the hell did they think it would go?
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    sunday_scour Male 18-29
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    August 18, 2010 at 9:41 am
    The hospital staff did not know their place. They are not there to physically enforce the law. They could have been more effective in their efforts by letting the family and patient go while asking for, or simply looking for in a non-violent manner, a license plate number and physical description or other identification of the individuals. The people involved would clearly and demonstrably have provided it without incident. The police can then do the enforcing like they`re supposed to AND the hospital gets back their patient (most likely) without inducing psychological trauma or incurring any possible liability, criminal or civil. This drama will now also affect the treatment she is getting at the hospital which is now significantly lengthened and will be far less effective when complete. Having the police involved negates any claims of misconduct by the hospital for this incident; also, the police would have provided more certainty of authority and therefore less resistance and more
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    sunday_scour Male 18-29
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    August 18, 2010 at 9:41 am
    certainty of authority and therefore less resistance and more compliance in this case. Now the hospital and/or the employees involved can face a civil court trial.
    The damage from the trauma generated and perpetuated by the hospital is real, quantifiable, and provable damage; and not just legally, but in its effects on her physical actions. They may get money out of this, but the trauma induced cannot be compensated for with money. I know this from firsthand experience with such a situation. The money involved will probably end up in the hundreds of thousands with one third ($333,333 or so USD) going to a private lawyer. The experience ,however, is constant and ongoing and can be hard ,but not impossible for anybody, to overcome. The effects it has on daily functionality are continual until proper additional treatment is provided. Functionality is often used as the criteria to distinguish illness from mere discomfort.
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    Altaru Male 18-29
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    August 18, 2010 at 9:55 am
    They could have been more effective in their efforts by letting the family and patient go while asking for,
    Oh, sure, let`s let the suicidal and potentially psychopathic woman go on the streets with a group of people who are wiling to kidnap someone from a hospital, so that they can then calmly go home, drink some tea, and wait for the police to arrive and take the woman back without a fight.

    Because we know them well enough to know that they wouldn`t end up running from the police, leading to a car or otherwise chase that could result in even MORE people getting hurt. And because we know that the patient wouldn`t get home, grab a knife or other tool, and try to kill herself. AGAIN.

    Especially considering that she LIED to the two people and claimed she WASN`T suicidal, despite clearly showing signs in the form of specifically placed wrist cuts, and those two people were dumb enough to BELIEVE HER.
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    Amurika Male 30-39
    282 posts
    August 18, 2010 at 10:05 am
    Was that security guard T.C. from Magnum P.I.? He could have at least been nice and flew her home in his rainbow colored helicopter. Sheesh!
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    boredomking Male 13-17
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    August 18, 2010 at 10:10 am
    @ geek kittie it never says in the video that she had attempted suicide (ever) they all say she`s epileptic. i think that the family had very good reason to sue for the hospital couldn`t have the authority to hold her there.
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    geek_kittie Female 30-39
    66 posts
    August 18, 2010 at 11:32 am
    @ boredomking - You`re incorrect. Had you read more of the comments you would have learned that the this woman did indeed attempt suicide. She had slashed BOTH of her wrists. This is confirmed by the person who actually posted the video. The family had lied about what had happened.
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    riathrift Female 18-29
    79 posts
    August 18, 2010 at 12:09 pm
    @nickyjefferz: Thanks for the compliment :)

    @Geek kittie: Which is precisely why I chose not to align myself with either side... I do believe BOTH sides were in the wrong. The family, at the time, fully believe that the epilectic woman had cut herself accidentally and was being held because of the locations of said cuts. You cannot see in the video whether the cuts were deliberate or not, as they are fully bandaged.

    Before anyone says it, no, the position of the bandages themselves ARE NOT PROOF. I cared for a child with seizures in high school and I fully remember how much damage can be done during a seizure in a bad location. Sometimes there are bad bruises and cuts that you later have to clean and bandage, because of one seizure.

    Also, no I don`t believe they sought legal counsil before they went in. The family being wrong does not absolve the hospital for responding badly to the family of the patient... and families can be a bit emotional, especially in a
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    riathrift Female 18-29
    79 posts
    August 18, 2010 at 12:09 pm
    and families can be a bit emotional, especially in a hospital (don`t they train hospital staff for that?).

    @Altaru: You call it kidnapping, they called it rescuing. This is a matter of mindset, and again does not absolve the family of their part in this escalation. It is possible to not take anyones side, specifically. It is completely possible that they did not expect a physical altercation -at a hospital-. Who does? There is, in fact, an expectation that no harm comes to you there... that the hospital is there to do what is right by their patients... which in this scenario never truly needed to be taken out of that first hallway, if that woman (was she a nurse? obviously not a doctor..) had handled the situation with more care.

    If they had called the police, which is obviously what this family wanted, why would they not ask them to stay long enough for the police to arrive? Continue to stand at the elevator doors, so it does not close.. let the family stand there w
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    riathrift Female 18-29
    79 posts
    August 18, 2010 at 12:09 pm
    let the family stand there without the security guard getting in their faces and without grabbing the woman by her wounded arms and pulling her forcibly away from her kids kicking and screaming. They were, more or less, subdued until the arrival of a police officer, IF they had chosen to involve the police.

    I agree that they knew she was BEING held, because she called them.. Before he tries to break her out he asks "Who has the Authority?" "Where are they?" and finally says "Show me the Law." Instead of answering any of his questions, she just talks over him and tells him what he already knows. That she is being held for the next 72 hours because the ER thought there was reason to believe she was suicidal. That`s ALL she is willing to say, and when she doesn`t answer his questions he gets fed up. If she wasn`t going to answer his questions, if she wasn`t going to PROVE she had a right to hold his family member against her will, he wasn`t going to
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    riathrift Female 18-29
    79 posts
    August 18, 2010 at 12:10 pm
    he wasn`t going to deal with her anymore. He gave her chances, he gave her a choice. She chose not to answer his questions, chose not to simply prove they had that right... making her culpable for the resulting conflict.

    If this Nurse (or whatever) had merely LISTENED to what the man had to say, and RESPONDED to what he was saying instead of trying to talk over him.. I don`t see the rest of the video being necessary at all. But she didn`t.

    @boredomking: In the video description on youtube there was an edit on the description about her having tried to commit suicide before and her mom having said that this was also an attempt. If the video is actually the property of the person whose post of it got posted here... then that is that.
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    darkgear6 Male 70 & Over
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    August 18, 2010 at 12:59 pm
    looks pretty bad, i`m never joining the wall-o-texts though.
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    lunaticlover Female 18-29
    354 posts
    August 18, 2010 at 1:03 pm
    In the guy`s defense, he was misinformed and just doing what he thought was right. And to those claiming he shouldn`t have brought the kids, I agree that it certainly was traumatic for them, however, he probably assumed that there would be a lot of talking and waiting rather than what actually happened.

    I don`t think the situation was handled well on either side. The family caused a lot of unnecessary drama and chaos, and it would be wise if the hospital staff actually had someone of authority the family could speak with. Having a Doctor on hand to explain the situation would have made this a lot less messy. So I think both sides are to blame.

    Also, a bit unrelated but still relevant, I found the end where she was carried away shrieking quite disturbing. I felt like I was watching One Flew Over The Cuckoo`s Nest. Yeah, if he didn`t think she was suicidal before, he will now.
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    miraclewik Female 18-29
    320 posts
    August 18, 2010 at 4:21 pm
    The hospital was right, though it was carried out badly. Someone let them out, sure, but they did a show of force, talked down, called security, and it failed. They ARE able to release 2PC patient if the family desires. If he had just waited, I`m sure they would have gotten out faster than the whole mess took.
    And millionaires my ass. The staff were just protecting their patient from this hostile family and though it was ugly, no one was injured.
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    miraclewik Female 18-29
    320 posts
    August 18, 2010 at 4:25 pm
    riathrift, all those people were there as a "show of force" to help diffuse the situation. Their job is literally to just stand there so the problem person sees how futile their situation is. Working in an ER and ICU, I`ve had to deal with many druggies/drunks/grieving family members who take out their grief on others and have stood SoF many times.
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    doode999 Male 18-29
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    August 18, 2010 at 4:42 pm
    @riathrift: you say they were more or less subdued, but they also needed to clear up the elevator. it`s probably really important to have more effective mode of transportation in an ER. although i do agree with a lot of what you said. @lunaticlover: about those claiming he shouldn`t have brought the kids I`m not sure if he didn`t expect to take drastic measures to get her out, he was prepared enough to have a camera, he also might have taken into consideration his children`s presence before trying to "break her out."
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    buttsdowhat Female 18-29
    374 posts
    August 18, 2010 at 5:05 pm
    I`m going to say what I said to the video on YT.

    The uploader did several things wrong here. He was misinformed on both sides. The hospital should have shown him proper documentation (if he really was her legal guardian) or at the very least, given him the number of the doctor who ordered her stay.

    But, he was unaware that this really WAS a suicide attempt. He was pretty damn rude to hospital staff, and then proceeded to destroy hospital property. The moment they refused to show documentation, he should have called the police or an attorney.

    Hospital staff left a lot to be desired in their behavior. The nurse he spoke to was not only rude, but she didn`t answer any of his questions or attempt to help him in any way. The security guard was a power hungry d-bag saying things like, "You`re lucky I didn`t use my taser". They should not have touched those children at all. Dragging her away so violently was not the answer.

    Police should have b
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    riathrift Female 18-29
    79 posts
    August 19, 2010 at 8:32 am

    @miraclewik: Best I can tell he`d`ve been willing to talk to the woman, if she didn`t try to block his every attempt at speaking to someone with the authority to either keep her here or allow her family to take her home. I wouldn`t have put up with her ignoring my every word, to tell me what I already know over and over again, instead of answering my questions. It isn`t like he was asking for info the hospital wasn`t allowed to give, he asked for the Law, he asked to speak to someone of authority (one way or the other)... There is no way that 8 minutes from the start of the video he`d`ve been taking his cousin out of the hospital legally, when they wouldn`t even let him speak to a doctor.

    As for the "show of force", I don`t agree with it in this situation. They needed to take into account the mentality of these people, who feel they are rescuing one of their own. This isn`t a druggie trying to escape.. this isn`t a grieving family member that is going to be easi
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    riathrift Female 18-29
    79 posts
    August 19, 2010 at 8:33 am
    this isn`t a grieving family member that is going to be easily subdued by a crowd of sympathetic faces.. This is a family who believes their famly member is being KIDNAPPEd by a hospital of incompitent fools who can`t tell the difference between a suicide attempt and an epilectic seizure (yes, I know they weren`t RIGHT in that conclusion, but it is still the mentality of the FAMILY). They are not going to be subdued by a show of force, they are going to feel like the hospital is rallying against them, that there is a potentially dangerous mob just outside those elevator doors, jeopardizing their safety.

    The family was NOT being physically aggressive with the hospital staff. They were being aggressive to the family, though (weakening their own stance, in my opinion). The only reason they GOT the woman out of the elevator was because of the families unwillingness to lay a hand on the people who had been shoving and knocking them around, threatening them, accusing them, yanking
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    riathrift Female 18-29
    79 posts
    August 19, 2010 at 8:33 am
    yanking them, grabbing them. I still think this woulve have gone better if they had just kept them from leaving until a police officer could arrive to talk them down.

    @doode999: I saw at least one other elevator next to the one they were in. Elevators break down and I`m betting they have procedures in place in the event that an elevator become unusable. The best I can tell they are NOT in the ER anymore, they are upstairs in the psych ward. I`m not saying that an elevator in a hospital is not important, just that it isn`t because it`s in the ER, we do not know what other sections of the hospital are connected via those elevators.

    Whether they needed it or not, it was still the only place they were going to have this family cornered and unable to advance their attempted escape while still feeling like they were trying enough to not become physical... for long enough for a police officer to arrive, instead of trying to take it into their own hands. Physically and aggres
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    riathrift Female 18-29
    79 posts
    August 19, 2010 at 8:33 am
    Physically and aggressively attacking the family (mostly just the security officer) was NOT appropriate, either way.

    @buttsdowhat: I agree with you, completely. The family WAS very wrong for what they did, they were NOT acting rationally and they were extremely misinformed. :) I`m not completely sure if people understand that I feel that way... based on the fact I`ve chosen mostly to point out the faults of the hospital in this situation. Once family is involved a good portion of humans become irrational...

    My entire stance is that the family being wrong does not absolve the hospital of guilt for their misconduct... especially when it could have ALL been avoided if not for the actions of ONE person (the nurse in the begining) had not been rude and evasive in answering the families questions.......... Instead she tried to talk to the FAMILY like they were one of her Psych Ward patients, instead of the family of one.
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    Homegrown71 Male 18-29
    224 posts
    August 19, 2010 at 12:21 pm
    He could have just called the police the moment they refused to discharge her. Its a great marketing ploy for the hospital though, she tried to commit suicide so were going to keep her here. Sure the bills are going to pile up and we`ll charge for everything she uses, does or is told that way when she does go home (suicide attempt or not) she will most likely really attempt suicide because of the mounting medical bills. Its a win win on the hospitals side.
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    TheGax Male 18-29
    815 posts
    August 23, 2010 at 11:33 am
    i swear to god, if i was that dude, when they started dragging her out of the elevator, i`d punch the son of a bitch doing it. i dont care about legal sh*t.
    this video made me angry.
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    AssWhoop Male 18-29
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    October 11, 2010 at 9:28 am
    AWWWW IT WAS REMOVED FUCl<

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