Bigotry Special At Target

Submitted by: fancylad 7 years ago in

Target donated $150,000 to anti-LGBT bigot Tom Emmer"s campaign. Lots of people aren"t happy about that.
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Male 170
Wow, that was the fastest I`ve ever seen any Target employee respond to a call.
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Female 374
This video is retarded. These people are going in pissed off at the minimum wage workers, when they didn`t do anything. They`re just making someone`s day harder. If you want to protest, go to their corporate headquarters. I can guarantee you, that most of the workers at Target don`t even have a clue about the donation.
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Male 15,832
When you think you`re being discriminated against, just stick your ass in everybody`s face until they start liking you.
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Male 44
"Uh... we know that already, zion."

Well, excuuuuuuuuuuuse meeeeeee.
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Male 224
Bitch bitch bitch, protesters need something better to do with their time. Like build a multi-million dollar corporation so they can donate the proceeds to help their causes instead of chastising the corporations who may donate against their causes.
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Female 351
At the Target I work at...no joke...3/4 of the male population there are either bi or gay. So, at least, on the store level we are def not homophobic!
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Female 535
Do yer research, kids!

I wonder how they were making those intercom announcements...?
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Male 3,482
[quote](Which is exactly what Altaru constantly expects me to do.. and you see what it led to..)[/quote]
Hey, f*ck you. I quit this argument because I got sick and tired of your bullsh*t.

Leave me out of whatever sh*t your throwing around now.
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Male 1,184
"The concept of perversion is subjective,[1] and its application varies depending on culture."

That.

"As a psychological term, it was originally applied especially frequently to bisexual and homosexual behavior."

Was originally. Is not now. Read the new DSM.
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Male 478
Wow, those fags (literally) just made themselves look really dumb. If one does some research, Target did this in support of Tom Emmer`s stance on businesses and not BECAUSE he is anti-LGBT. That`s just some other crap that Target doesn`t give a $#!t about. They just annoyed some people and made some vast assumptions and felt really good about themselves because of how self-righteous they are. And it doesn`t help that the "protesters" were fat and ugly.
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Male 8
Angilion, I use `foolish kids` as a description, not an insult. As I already said, everyone is entitled to their opinion, but when anyone thinks their opinion gives them a right to insult or deride those who don`t share it that makes them foolish and immature. Playground mentality gets issues nowhere and moral issues aren`t something that can be solved by name calling and pretentious
behaviour. Just to let you know, im not actually anti gay people, I just made the statement that I think it`s sad when people stand up for something (in this case perversion. Look it up in a dictionary, homosexuality *is* a perversion of human biology), they get branded by all the 70 IQ pointed hip young things that obviously have no clue how to get their opinions across in an effective way ;p
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Male 143
These protesters are dumb. They should realize that corporate makes the decisions as to where they donate their money, not the store owners or managers. I get that they were trying to boycot target, but they could have done that outside of the store. The yelling that they did at the owners was of no use either because the owners didn`t make the donation. Plus, maybe target gave the money to Tom Emmer simply because they wanted recognition and advertising and not because they wanted to fight gays. Sure it`s not a good thing for the gays, but Target probably had other objectives in mind when they gave out the money and the gay rights activists are jumping to conclusions in my opinion.
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Male 1,184
Oh, sorry Angilion. What actually happened is that I read something that wasn`t there, somehow, and not that I didn`t read something that was.

(Which is exactly what Altaru constantly expects me to do.. and you see what it led to..)
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Male 12,365
[quote]Everyone has a right to their opinion. People who feel the need to brand their intellectual opposites with derogatory names are just foolish kids :) [/quote]

So you`re just a foolish kid by your own definition. You should know better by your age.
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Male 12,365
[quote]Angillion and TR-Wolf, you do not live in the US. What a civil union is where you live has ABSOLUTELY NOTHING TO DO with the definition of a civil union in the US.[/quote]

No, really?

Try reading the posts. If you do that, you`ll be less likely to embarrass yourself by indulging in irrelevant shouting.
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Male 12,365
[quote]Nope. You just have to live together 6 months with the opposite sex. No joke.[/quote]

Naybe in your state, but not in the UK (which is where we were talking about). There is no such thing in the UK and hasn`t been since the Roman occupation (the usus form of Roman marriage required a year living together). Despite that, many people still believe it exists and call it "common law marriage". Which doesn`t exist.
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Male 12,365
[quote]For a civil marriage you have to sign papers as well.[/quote]

It isn`t *necessary* in England and the actual marriage occurs as soon as the spoken agreement is completed, according to the government`s pages on marriage and civil partnerships. The signing of papers is for easier record-keeping, apparently.

I`ve just found out that there are pro-gay campaigners in the UK campaigning for homosexuals to have preferential treatment over heterosexuals when it comes to marriage and the government looks set to allow it.

As usual, it`s a case of all animals are equal, but some are more equal than others. Those who advocate for a group are advocating against equality. They may use the word `equality`, but they are just parasites feeding off it while corrupting it.
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Male 1,184
Uh... we know that already, zion.
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Male 44
actually, it wasn`t Target at all. It was a Target boardmember who donated some of his own money to the campaign. Of course, the media leaves that part of the story out.
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Male 1,184
Lolboy, the "manager" doesn`t even understand why they`re protesting, which is why I highly doubt those people were managers. If the managers knew what the protest was about, they`d think through the situation logically, not scream at people to get out.
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Male 363
Fknloser probably actually is one.
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Male 7,378
Wait just a minute fknloser, You`re simplifying this situation a bit. I think it`s more about hypocrisy. Target grew on it`s non-discrimination policy. It made itself an example of what an anti-WalMart big box chain could be like. Thereby making it more shopper friendly to like minded shoppers. They went out of their way to hire gay celebrities and designers over the years who helped market and brand their store as gay friendly. Giving financial support solely to politicians who are actively against gay rights is a slap in the face to their core demographics. While I might not agree with this particular protest they are doing exactly what a betrayed consumer base should do. Protest and boycott until they see the error of their ways. I think they have but they don`t know how to make it right.
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Male 440
I dislike the phrase You NEED to leave" or any similar use of the word "need". The person saying it actually means "I want" but says "You need" in a very annoying passive aggressive way.
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Male 798
Siyanor: Maybe you missed it, but the guy filming was working with the people making the overhead pages, so the managers were like yeah GTFO or we`re calling the police. They could have just talked to the manager about what she thought about it, but instead they were causing disruptions in the store like children, so yeah, they didnt talk to them about it.
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Male 418
I own a business i started 15 years ago in my basement spending many hours building a company from the ground up. Now i have an $8,000,000 factory with 148 and a half (yes we have a little person working here) employees.
So in the near future when i really start producing and making big profit to give all my employees raises and hire more.... will I see you freaks outside my front doors? yelling GREEDY GREEDY GREEDY !! drat you neo-hippie drug addicts
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Male 418
Here it is again, in case you missed it:

Once again, go attack the employees of the guy you hate.... yes, the guy you hate supplies thousans of jobs around the country. And the more money he makes, the more people he can employee. Period. This neo-hippies are so drating stupid when it comes to the real world.

There is ZERO greed going on in this situation. The target CEO and board make an honest profit from their business and in return, supply many, many jobs. Neo-hippies never realize how most business owners work their whole livest to gain success. BECAUSE THIS IS AMERICA. You Communist neo-hippies need to just move to Russia, you will be fine there. its full of greed
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Male 418
Once again, go attack the employees of the guy you hate.... yes, the guy you hate supplies thousans of jobs around the country. And the more money he makes, the more people he can employee. Period. This neo-hippies are so drating stupid when it comes to the real world.
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Male 5
Just saying, all parties here really need to grow the drat up.
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Male 25,416
dumb
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Male 142
Idiots. You wanna make a difference? Go do a bake sale, write people who care, or put some thought into what you`re doing. Those people don`t care about target`s corporate greed or whatever you`re on about. You wanna change something, bravo. Go for it, but please do it without making it look like gays are retards.
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Male 1,184
Uh... Lolboy, that isn`t quite what happened. It`s more like this:

Retard: Target supports discrimination.
Retard 2: I DON`T SUPPORT DISCRIMINATION THIS IS MY STORE LEAVE
Retard: You`re discriminating against me.
Retard 3: NO I`M NOT CUZ ITS MY STORE
Retard 2: YEAH LEAVE ITS MY STORE I`LL CALL THE POLICE
Retard: You`re greedy.
Retards 2 and 3: I`LL CALL THE POLICE CUZ YOU SAID I`M GREEDY
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Male 798
God this makes me rage. People are so drating ignorant about reality.

Retard: OMGZORZ TARGET SUPPORTS DISCRIMINATION
Manager: Sir, please leave.
Retard: SO YOU ADMIT TARGET SUPPORTS DISCRIMINATION!! OMGOMGOMG!!!ONE!11
Manager: No we don`t support discrimination.
Retard: WHY DO I HAVE TO LEAVE?!?! YOU ARE DISCRIMINATING AGAINST ME AND GAYS!! OMG YOU ARE A BIGOT!! STOP CORPORATE GREEED!!!
Manager: Have a nice day sir.
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Male 49
god i love reading the posts and flame wars that start over stupid crap here... it makes my day. having not lived in the u.s. for over 20 years, i am even happier that i chose not to return. everyone everywhere dies. happy thought.
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Female 351
OK...ok...I`m trying not to get angry right now. On the one hand I hate that Target CORPORATION did this. That`s not right. But, on the other hand, I`m a Target employee. As a lowly team member we don`t even get told about any of this (the donation)!! I had no idea this happened! However, when you get protesters coming into the store doing s***like this, it will affect the shoppers (guests) and they`ll stop shopping there. Which, in turn, hurts MY paycheck! I`m just trying to pay my way through college right now!! I`m innocent in all this and yet if this happens in my town, i`ll be the one to hurt financially over it! This makes me angry!! I`m just trying to pay the bills and get through school!!
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Female 682
WOOT! YEAH! GO QUEER YOUTH! KICK SOME ASS! ^_^
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Male 2,424
Oh wah! wah!
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Male 1,184
enter, madest is older than you. Pretty sure you can`t call him a kid without calling yourself a kid.

But madest, equality isn`t an opinion, but its necessity is an opinion. It just so happens that most people share it.
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Male 496
These protesters are dbags. If you want to picket, then picket, but this is stepping over the line. Too bad it took so long to get them out of the store.
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Male 7,378
Equality is not an opinion. However, what you consider a perversion most certainly is.
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Male 8
"I think its sad that people who stand up against perversion are called bigots.

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I think it`s sad when somebody puts themselves on a pedestal soley from whom they f*ck. Your heterosexuality doesn`t make you superior. Gay people could very well pretend to be straight and screw your children in more ways than one. You should be happy they`d rather not."
Everyone has a right to their opinion. People who feel the need to brand their intellectual opposites with derogatory names are just foolish kids :)
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Male 378
SEAGULLS!
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Male 179
Yea, i have a problem with this video. Its one thing to boycott Target by making videos, taking pictures, handing out flyers and doing demonstrations, and i am all for the equal rights of every human being, but to go to an actual store full of employees that, most employees weren`t aware of what the CEO did, are just trying to work is incredibly petty. Go to the Target headquarters or to their shipping plants in the U.S. but not to a random Target store where none of the employees are part of the problem. It is not like they all made a general consensus with their entire work force, no, this was done by the CEO. Make a difference the correct way, this is just making your cause look stupid.
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Male 3,755
Twisted, out-of-context, misinformed fact. Irrelevant historical reference. Personal insult. Sense of self-righteousness. Biased opinion stated as fact.

I think that about sums IAB debates.
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Male 7,378
[quote]I think its sad that people who stand up against perversion are called bigots.[/quote]
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I think it`s sad when somebody puts themselves on a pedestal soley from whom they f*ck. Your heterosexuality doesn`t make you superior. Gay people could very well pretend to be straight and screw your children in more ways than one. You should be happy they`d rather not.
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Male 8
I think its sad that people who stand up against perversion are called bigots.
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Female 185
This is so stupid. I work at Target and the lowly employees that these people are harassing have nothing to do with what Target donates money to. These are just people earning minimum wage and they don`t need to deal with BS like this during their day. They should PROTEST THE HIGHER-UPS if they are so concerned about it. Protest the people that actually donated the money.
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Male 1,184
ZNaught, I was just doing what you were doing. You told me to read the Declaration of Independence, which is document that proves my point exactly, by the way.

Angillion and TR-Wolf, you do not live in the US. What a civil union is where you live has ABSOLUTELY NOTHING TO DO with the definition of a civil union in the US.
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Male 7,378
@ ZNaught, Our rulebook is the constitution not the dictionary or the bible. There are legal gay marriages in Massachussetts, Iowa, California, Connecticut, New Hampshire and Vermont. None of them have had any unforseen affect on the word marriage.
The whole argument about protecting a word is nonsense. Peoples rights are constitutionally protected their sensibilities are not.
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Male 1,106
Dumbasses. You may not agree with Target`s choices in politics, but that doesn`t mean you have the right to hold a protest inside their store. Hold a protest right outside their property, but not inside the store. It just makes you look like pushy, ignorant, and annoying bullies.
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Male 351
@Musuko42: I find it funny how you say that someone is unintelligent for essentially insulting a party he disagrees with, yet you go on to do the EXACT same thing in you`re post. There is no need for a double standard.
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Male 351
@Musuko42: I can legally have sex in my state.

Fact of the matter is, just because I may be in High School (Junior), that does not invalidate any of my points. Prove that my age apparently has something to do with me being wrong by actually refuting my points. What you`re doing has no different affect than an insult would. It is the classic arguing with emotion that liberals do. Unfortunately for you, I base my view points primarily on logic.
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Male 351
@Siyanor: Actually back up your points. Instead of the whole "HURR DURR, LOOK IT UP"

Look what up? Why don`t you show it to me instead of being lazy.
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Male 2,850
@BUCK8407

"Just a bunch of poo pushers and rug munchers complaining about one more thing. Liberals are always complaining about something."

Are you a liberal, then? Because it looks to me that you`re complaining.
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Male 7,378
This is the problem with the Supreme Courts recent decision giving companies the same 1st amendment priviledges as an individual. Money creates greed. Greed makes typically altruistic men criminals and it funds their criminal behavior. If we could find a way to get money out of politics we might have politicians who work for the people and build the utopia we strive for.
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Male 4,745
On another note, I agree with the argument these ladies are making, but going into a store and announcing over the speaker like that, is wrong. They should be arrested.
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Male 4,745
For those who do, using the term "Bleeding Heart liberal" and "Hippie" every time someone disagrees with you, shows you have a major shortage of brain cells, resulting in the IQ of a mouse turd. Your best bet is to not use those terms in your arguments and, hopefully, hide your shame.
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Male 94
Its not like Target specifically spent money against gays. Let`s also hate the millions who may vote for the candidate as well. Its not good for political discourse if you start boycotting and hating a place for simply supporting the opposite side. There are plenty of other reasons to boycott a place like poor working conditions etc., but this not a good one for a healthy political climate. People have to be allowed to disagree with you.
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Male 314
wow that is sooo disrepectful you expect someone to side with your opinion when you act like that?!
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Male 6,693
Yep. She is a looker.
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Male 339
***facepalm***
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Male 21
Just a bunch of poo pushers and rug munchers complaining about one more thing. Liberals are always complaining about something.
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Male 417
Geeez ... everyone is entitled to their opinion.

People can protest all they want outside ... but they can`t pull that crap inside the store.
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Male 2,592
The Target chick was smoking hot
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Male 2,552
Frickin` hippies. They`re a business. If they want to support bigotry; then whatever. People will either shop there or choose not to. Get a frickin` job, bleeding-heart Liberals.
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Female 347
The Target girl was pretty hot, but she sounds Canadian, and that`s 1 thing I will not tolerate.

And the T part of LGBT.
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Male 10,338
"For a civil marriage you have to sign papers as well."

Nope. You just have to live together 6 months with the opposite sex. No joke.
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Male 2,850
@ZNaught

I would argue with you, but then I saw your age: 13-17.

So I`m not about to listen to complaints about my sex life from a kid who isn`t even legally allowed to have sex himself yet.

So go play with your pokemon and leave the grownup stuff to grownups, mkay? Mkay.
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Female 412
>> "A civil marriage comes into effect when both parties finish speaking their agreement.

A civil partnership comes into effect when both parties finish signing their agreement."

For a civil marriage you have to sign papers as well.
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Male 582
Who cares?!
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Male 12,365
[quote]@Angilion

Exactly! I have a civil partnership, and believe me, from planning to filling out forms, it`s identical to a marriage :)[/quote]

Technically, there is one difference:

A civil marriage comes into effect when both parties finish speaking their agreement.

A civil partnership comes into effect when both parties finish signing their agreement.

That`s just due to social changes - marriages predate general literacy, so they remain spoken due to custom.

It`s a technicality and a custom, as either method of indicating agreement is binding under UK law.

Apart from that custom, it`s identical and defined that way. Even divorce is identical, although technically it`s referred to as dissolving the partnership.

Somewhat oddly, none of the homosexual couples I know have got married. I would have expected at least one or two.
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Male 2,528
Some protesters are nothing more than retarded lunatics with a cause.

Just because a company, or anyone else for that matter, donates money to a candidate doesn`t mean they agree with absolutely everything that candidate does.
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Male 12,365
[quote]There is nothing normal about being gay.. It is a sickness we do not have a cure for yet.[/quote]

A "sickness" that does no harm.

I`d be interested in hearing (i) why you think something that does no harm is a sickness and (ii) what your medical qualifications are.
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Male 2,796
"@Siyanor
1)Didn`t mention anything about gay marraige percentages or adoption rates, however did learn how to make a histogram.
2)Told me to read a bunch of useless text.
3)Told me twinkies have a shelf life of 30 days.
4)Told me that natural mutations deviate from the norm."

I told you that motherdrater was something special...
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Male 1,184
Herp, you cannot read. Stop failing.

Which argument, ElDavo? The one with Altaru or the one with ZNaught?
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Male 7,834
davy, glad to see you approve brother.
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Male 7,834
Heureux, wow man, you missed my point completely or your an idiot just looking for someone to disagree with. my entire post was about what a business should do. a public company should not be pro/anti anything socially. their entire goal should be economic, which is (again) why they probably chose that particular candidate, not because he happens to hate gays. gays, by the way, i have absolutely no problem with. i believe you should be able to marry/f*ck whoever you want within the limits of the law of your particular homeland.
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Male 12,138
Hmm, just dropped in, quite the sh*t-storm in here. All seems cool though, hot debate and all that. Carry on!
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Male 1,557
Do these guys really think these minimum wage workers support the actions of the Target CEO? Do you think they even care who he is? All they`re doing is bothering a couple of part time workers and acting like immature non-nice individuals. They should protest the corporate HQ or something.

And yeah Im gay, lol.
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Male 1,557
@Angilion

Exactly! I have a civil partnership, and believe me, from planning to filling out forms, it`s identical to a marriage :)
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Female 654
we as people are always going to be hateful when it comes to something.
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Female 654
*going into a target and harrasing people who had nothing to do with the fact isnt going to help anyone with fairness groups. it just makes it harder to be taken seriously. but i can understand they being upset about it. they should have taken it to a proper place if they absolutely had to protest, which isnt going to do anything btw. niether do petetions work.
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Female 654
there`s a lot of ants in here

you know, thats most likely a big problem. im looking at this from a median straight person`s view. theres a lot of bashing, but it goes both ways. you wont get anywhere unless there is mutual respect and dignity. going into a target
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Male 2,148
Hey Siyanor, could I get a quick summary of this argument? Despite that thing that happened on the military suicides post a while ago, I respect your opinion on these things usually.
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Male 12,365
[quote]2) Civil unions do not provide the same benefits as marriage. It`s not just the same thing by another name.[/quote]

That shows the most effective solution, which is the one used in the UK. Just make them the same. That happened here (with the word `partnership` rather than `union`) and...nothing. Total non-event. It`s the word `marriage` that is causing people to freak out and rave. So don`t use it. Simple.

It`s a matter of what your priority is, what you *really* want:

i) The important legal rights, like automatic inheritance, hospital visits, etc.
ii) The word `marriage`.
iii) A fight, for the sake of fighting. A means of making yourself feel important for a Righteous Cause, hallelujah!

If you want (i), drop the word `marriage`. That`s also the fastest way to get the word `marriage`, as many people will call them marriages anyway. Try to force the word `marriage` only if you want (iii) - it doesn`t make sense otherwise.
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Male 4
Btw, I believe someone needs to do something about these anti-anti-gay people. They`re not for equality, they`re just hating on people for their views because their views were hated on first.
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Female 654
probably..im trying to read all of these and they go pretty far back
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Male 12,365
[quote]Do you realize the purpose of marriage? It was originally created by religions[/quote]

No, it wasn`t.

Take my country as an example. Religion was only required in marriage in England between 1754 and 1837.

That`s it. Just 83 years.

Admittedly, it`s possible that religion was required in marriages in prehistoric times and we just don`t have any record of it, but there`s no reason to think so. It wasn`t required from the beginning of recorded history here (2000 years ago) to the present day, with the exception of that 83-year period.

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Male 4
@rakoonhat
I think you still got some stuff mixed up.
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Female 654
@
ah, i see, you were going off some old responses
carry on
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Female 654
okay i was reading both siyanor and angillion`s post and got you to mixed up...im sorry siyanor..i kinda judged you on something you never said.
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Male 4
@rakoonhat
I was responding to Siyanor responding to Znaught
Also the rates do matter, if you want equality the rates gotta be the equal mate.
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Male 12,365
[quote]A progay cause supports equality for everyone and resists oppression[/quote]

That`s such a bizarre statement that I feel obliged to reply to it.

A cause that divides humanity into two groups on the basis of whatever criteria the followers of the cause consider of paramount importance and which advocates solely for one group only is not about equality for everyone.

It`s frankly bizarre to argue that it is. It makes as little sense as arguing, for example, that a pro-Christian cause supports equality for everyone regardless of religious beliefs or lack thereof.

You`re arguing that something is the opposite of what it is.
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Female 654
herp how does marriage and adoption rates have anything to do with this? its the equality that matters right now.
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Male 724
As for the whole gay marriage thing, why the f*ck should you care who, what, when, why, or even how people spend their lives and free time?
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Male 724
Someone on YouTube said this as a comment:

"Do you guys really think these minimum wage workers support the actions of the Target CEO? Do you think they even care who he is? All you`re doing is bothering a couple of part time workers and acting like as*holes." -- Xaq03

I seriously couldn`t have said it better myself.
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Male 161
@Luniz82
There is nothing normal about being gay.. It is a sickness we do not have a cure for yet.


Agree with you 100%
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Female 654
it went from a video about people storming a target to people trying to piss one another off for poos and giggles.

if your profile is correct i can understand why your being such a dick about this one. honestly, im with you, but your not helping the cause, just let it die.
yugi-oh..seriously?? maybe the old one, ill admit that was a good series.
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Male 4
@Siyanor
1)Didn`t mention anything about gay marraige percentages or adoption rates, however did learn how to make a histogram.
2)Told me to read a bunch of useless text.
3)Told me twinkies have a shelf life of 30 days.
4)Told me that natural mutations deviate from the norm.

@Heureux
I didn`t know Target supported a guy who was anti gay and shopped at target earlier today, drat me I`m a bigot.
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Male 12,365
[quote]So, Angilion, your only response is an insults.[/quote]

I was inspired by you, as your only response to me was an insult. You should be flattered.

[quote]That answers my question - you do believe that GLBTQ people who are homeless should have to endure abuse just to have a place to sleep.[/quote]

You are an idiot as well as a bigot. Whatever intelligence you may possess is drowned by your blinkered vision of a world in which the only possibilities are discrimination or discrimination, presumably because you are yourself unable to imagine equality.

If you`re very lucky, I might some day find a few spare minutes to pity you.
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Male 1,184
So there`s nothing normal about being Christian, Luniz82? Because the psychological process is exactly the same: a diathesis-stress model with a biological diathesis and an environmental stressor.
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Male 587
There is nothing normal about being gay.. It is a sickness we do not have a cure for yet.
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Male 587
LOL man people can be really stupid.. I would shop there MORE if this crap happened while I was there.. Just another reason why I am against gays getting married. When they act like this do they really deserve anything. So sick of the gay agenda being shoved down my throat.. Can we just get rid of these people already?
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Male 1,184
ZNaught:

1) Read a history book and a statistics book.

2) Read my post.

3) Read just about anything.

4) Read a biology book.
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Male 359
I hate people that hate,even if it is hatred of hating people
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Male 351
@Siyanor:
1) Really? So religions developed it simply for cohabitation? Having children didn`t matter? I know for one with catholics, you are almost required to have children if able. Besides, how many gay couples ACTUALLY adopt? I have yet to meet one. Also, if the divorce rate for marriages is currently 50%, I can`t imagine what it will be for gay couples. I seem to remember the statistic to be that gay men have around 50 boyfriends/partners in their lives compared to far fewer for straight men.

2) There are many who want gay-Marriage. Fine call it a civil union, as long as the benefits are minimal if not none, I see no issue. But when it is known as Marriage, it is an issue.

3)No. Just God. Read the declaration of independence please.

4)I guess a better way to put it is "birth defect" of sorts. Say Siamese twins for example, would you consider that to be natural and normal? Does everyone or the majority of humans have this defect or something
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Female 654
hey! i love to hear myself talk too.
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Male 1,184
ZNaught:

1) The purpose of marriage is to facilitate cohabitation, not to facilitate raising children. Not only that, homosexual couples CAN ADOPT, which costs only slightly less that bearing a child, so stating that marriage is for raising children is completely irrelevant even if you believe it. You`re essentially saying no one who doesn`t want kids should be allowed to marry.

2) Civil unions do not provide the same benefits as marriage. It`s not just the same thing by another name.

3) Rights come from both God and the government if you`re religious, and from the government if you aren`t. There is never a time when rights come only from God.

4) Hrm... so natural mutations aren`t natural, eh?
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Male 119
@ZNaught
"It was originally created by religions (who happen to oppose it)."

Technically a form of marriage has been created by every culture around the world. Even in ones that had no stance on gays. To say that religions "own" marriage is b.s. Christianity certainly didn`t let african tribes or chinese villages just borrow marriage.
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Female 654
after watching that, i have to side with target. that particular store didnt do anything wrong so its kinda unfair to single them out...plus i hate idiots with video cameras. its real hard to help out with fairness acts and support your friends with dumbasses going out like this and rocketing them backwards.
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Male 351
@Heureux: /facepalm

How is it "right" to allow same sex marriage? Do you realize the purpose of marriage? It was originally created by religions (who happen to oppose it). Now under the law, it makes sense for a legal union to occur for a male and a female for tax breaks and such so that they can better support children. However with a gay couple, what is the reason for a legal marriage? There is no inalienable right to allow for gay people to be married. Rights come from God, not the government. If a gay person wants to get "married" in some church, fine, but it shouldn`t be recognized as such by the government.

ANd yes, i do agree that it is just as bad as donating to a anti-gay cause would be if you really think that is bad. Shouldn`t an organization take a neutral stance? It`s not like there is actual oppression here. The fact of the matter is, homosexuality is not natural. I guess you could call it a "mutation" of sorts.
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Female 654
target shouldnt be taking sides, thats what i read.
i totally dont give a crap either way, do who you wanna do on your own mammas couch away from me, we`re cool. i see the point though. this is an opinated matter, either way its straight up wrong to someone, its not like giving schools money or buying a church computers. somebody would go physcho if you gave gays money as well as fred phelps...but in that case ill hit you with a shovel, because that is wrong, and there`s something wrong with you if you agree with that man.
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Male 1,054
"I gotta shop at target more often"

So you are a bigot. Congratulations. May someone discriminate against you some day soon, and may you find yourself powerless to escape it or find justice.
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Male 1,054
"Do you think?"

So, Angilion, your only response is an insults. That answers my question - you do believe that GLBTQ people who are homeless should have to endure abuse just to have a place to sleep.

That you insult my intelligence indicates how threatened you are by my posts.

"At best, you`re arguing that the only possible options are hate speech and physical violence or denying people help they need solely because they have the "wrong" sexual orientation.`

No, because there are shelters that are not limited to GLBTQ people. You are simply ignoring reality to advance your false premise.

"I reject your argument, which is a thin facade placed over bigotry."

You`ve reject reality and reason. You have my pity.
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Female 654
swing and a miss
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Male 1,054
"demanding they donate it to a progay cause is just as bad as donating it to an anti-gay cause"

No. Unless you have no sense of right and wrong.

A progay cause supports equality for everyone and resists oppression - and yes, everyone, because any heterosexual could be mistaken for being gay or lesbian, or simply harassed as if they were gay or lesbian.

The anti-gay cause supports hurting people simply because of who they are. Supporting any prejudice encourages all of them, which puts everyone at risk of being harassed and discriminated against if the tide of public opinion turns against them. That includes not only the traditional targets of prejudice like people of color, the disabled and Jews, but any group that can be isolated and marginalized. You could find yourself in such a circumstance someday.
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Male 1,054
popcap

How do you live under the burden of crushing sexual insecurity? Does pretending to be an adult on the internet help much?
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Female 172
omg this is a toughie. I love me some homos but i also love me some target. i dont know which i love more though.
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Male 1,184
No protester was doing anything illegal AT THE TIME OF ENTERING THE STORE, therefore it would be illogical to refuse them entry. No employee of Target would call the police to say "OMG someone just entered the store that I don`t know!" Calling the police because someone you don`t know entered your house is perfectly logical, even if that person doesn`t look suspicious at all.
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Male 1,218
Do they really think this is going to help their cause?
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Male 1,184
It got cut off... That sentence should read:

Your second point is too retarded to be worth commenting.
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Male 1,184
"Also, WHY WOULD THE MINIMUM WAGE EMPLOYEES CARE? It`s not like they have a say in what corporate does. But it`s f*cking retarded that the poor people who just want to go to work, do their jobs, and go home have to suffer for it, since retards like this batch think it`s effective protest..."

This is proof that you are retarded. You are trying to prove me wrong by proving my point.

Also, every single employee in Target uses a walkie-talkie, and I could clearly see one of them doing so, which was NOT either of the women who claimed to own the place. In fact, it was a man. What the hell would be the point of walkie-talkies if ONLY the managers used them? Idiot.

splurby, I said the police would have laughed BECAUSE THESE EMPLOYEES CLAIMED TO OWN THE PLACE, not because the protesters were protesting illegally.

I-IS-BORED, each individual store DOES HAVE EXACTLY ONE OWNER or a trust acting as a single owner. Also, your second point is too retard
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Male 729
I got to thinking about "equality". What do they want to be equal to? Heterosexuals?

Looking at heterosexuality reveals domestic violence, gender oppression, and a 50% or more divorce rate, with the resulting child trauma.

Gays want to be equal to that? Fine, keep aiming for the low fruit, dum dums.
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Male 207
Them`s some westboro baptist rooster smokers.
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Male 729
I gotta hand it to the alternative lifestyle folks. They sure do have a creative ways of making sure everyone knows what kind of sex they want.
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Male 25,416
hmmm...
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Male 1,013
I don`t get your complaint Sigma, if their goal was to youtube a protest, why drive miles and miles to get to a corporate building? They already have 10,000 more hits than when I checked this AM. Mission accomplished I`d say.
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Male 3,648
Let Target spend Target`s money the way Target wants to, and let Target support who Target wants to support. After all, no one is telling you how to spend your money, no one is forcing you to shop at Target, and no one is telling you who to vote for.

The fact is, Target realizes that the right understands that government is not the answer, the people are.
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Male 12,138
Fair enough cause (if it bothers you that much), poor and unfair execution. They just made douches out of themselves. I`m with Sigma, go petition Target HQ or something, not some people trying to get on with doing a (sh*tty) job.
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Male 1,013
Found a few articles that say "irregardless" made the oxford dictionary in `72. (I read it on the internet, so it must be true)
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Female 525
Absolutely stupid. Do this at Target headquarters, not at a Target with a manager who had absolutely NOTHING to do with what they are bichin about.
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Female 414
@Altarus its a pet peeve of mine when someone uses irregardless as a word. So i understand you being irked, i hate when even people in the media use it, all you can do is just know people get more stupid with every generation
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Male 3,482
[quote]HaHa, Altaru made fun of my engrish, yet totally ignored my calous reference to the plight of nose enhanced people and their affliction with ovens, nonirregardlessly I might add.[/quote]
Dude, I LOVE black humor. Why would I complain about your joke?

For that matter, a few years back someone dropped out of high school that was in my German class. I laughed my ass off when he came in on his last day, looked the German teacher in the eye, and yelled "GET IN THE OVEN!" in German as loud as he could.

It`s when bad English gets spread around as good English that gets to me, and I hear more and more people using "irregardless" by the day...

(Edit note: I did NOT know the "quote" tags were case-sensitive...)
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Male 2,419
Actually, Siyanor, Target is not franchised, so there is no one owner. Any employee could refuse you entry, the manager is just there to have the final say in the matter (unless somebody higher in administration is present in the store). The police would not require the CEO or majority share holder to call them.

And are you really retarded enough that you think the company working the alarm in your house can`t call the cops?
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Male 1,162
Target Employee: Target donated monies to a bad man?! Well drat all those bills I have to pay, the car loans, and the monthly rent. drat this job and the pay checks I get that keeps me from being homeless. It`s all about the gay people! Yay freedom!

God those people are obnoxious.
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Male 3,482
[quote]They seemed to me to be self-righteous pricks who believe everything belongs to them.[/quote]
And you seem to me to be a self-righteous retard who argues against facts in the face of overwhelming opposition...
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Male 1,013
HaHa, Altaru made fun of my engrish, yet totally ignored my calous reference to the plight of nose enhanced people and their affliction with ovens, nonirregardlessly I might add.
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Male 3,482
[quote]The employees probably don`t even know why they`re protesting.[/quote]
Also, WHY WOULD THE MINIMUM WAGE EMPLOYEES CARE? It`s not like they have a say in what corporate does. But it`s f*cking retarded that the poor people who just want to go to work, do their jobs, and go home have to suffer for it, since retards like this batch think it`s effective protest...
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Male 2,796
@Siyanor: Dude, I am beyond simple flaming with you, buddy. You are a special case.

Look, the facts are thus: These protestors were using profanity, soliciting, loitering and disturbing the peace. It was illegal to hold a protest on private property without getting express permission first. IT ABSOLUTELY DOES NOT MATTER who would have called the cops in this matter. I, as a customer, could have called the police and they would have responded and absolutely would not have "laughed in my face".

You have zero argument against this matter. The fact that you continue to argue against what should be just plain good sense means, to me, that you are retarded or (as I said before) special in some way.

I am done with you special boy.
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Male 3,482
It`s like if they were to refuse entry to a known thief. If they cause problems for the employees or other customers, then the store has the right to kick them out. And if they refuse to leave, then the store has the right to call the police on them.

For that matter, just being ALLOWED to enter private property is a service. That`s why we aren`t communists, and everything doesn`t just belong to everyone.

And I DID read your entire post, but I`ve said it before and I`ll say it again.

I don`t argue against your points. I point out your stupidity, because you have no point for me to argue against.
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Male 72
>>> The signs say that they may refuse SERVICE, not entry. ... People walk into Target all the time. They have a right to do so.

You are wrong. Target stores are privately owned corporations and they CAN exercise their right to kick people off of that property. No one has a RIGHT to go into a Target store, but most people do have PERMISSION to be in the store.
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Male 3,482
[quote]Altaru, it does not say anywhere that EITHER of them were managers.[/quote]
At the VERY least, the first woman was.

She was well-dressed and carrying around a walkie-talkie. The other employees also sent her forward to remove the trouble-makers. Those`re USUALLY signs that the person is a manager, or at least in an upper-level position, in case you haven`t worked in a place like that before.

And you ARE arguing semantics. Just because I don`t have the loan on the house, doesn`t mean that it`s not my house if I live in it.

What the hell did you expect them to say? "You aren`t allowed to do this in the building I work in?"

[quote]The signs say that they may refuse SERVICE, not entry.[/quote]
They also have the right to refuse entry if someone is causing problems, like loitering, swearing loudly enough for half the store to hear, and potentially driving normal customers away with their actions.
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Male 2,419
only homeless queers youths and transgender people? what you got against the queer youths with homes or the adult queers video maker?
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Male 256
Heck yesssssssss I am Glad someone is taking a stand against the mental Defect that is Homosexuality, Pedophilia, all sexual fetishes. It is a mental retardation that like same sex and someone needs to recognize it IS WRONG. So I will now forever shop at Target even though it is a little more expensive. Good Job Target
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Male 1,184
Altaru, it does not say anywhere that EITHER of them were managers. They seemed to me to be self-righteous pricks who believe everything belongs to them. And in this particular case, it didn`t seem "severe" enough for a regular employee to call the police. Also, just because I tell you to read what is written doesn`t mean I`m "arguing semantics." What it means is you did not read what was written.

almighty, that may be true where you live, but not in the US. The signs say that they may refuse SERVICE, not entry. Also, it`s not like people just randomly waltz into your house. People walk into Target all the time. They have a right to do so. They do NOT have the right to enter a house without permission. Try thinking before you post.
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Male 125
The only reason Target contributed money was to support a pro-business candidate. They weren`t considering issues outside of business. They`re just trying to get politicians in that will allow them to have more profit and grow so they can hire more workers instead of having to fire workers due to being taxed. If GLBSQ (whatever the initials are) want businesses donating to their candidates, they should choose politicians that are pro-business and support tax breaks for small and large businesses. Instead of pro-government, Marxist candidates.
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Male 21
Seeing this video reminded me I have not checked the Target sales ad today. Thanks for the reminder demonstrators, I need to go pick up a few items.
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Male 4,290
Siyanor, next time you enter a privately owned property like a shop, I suggest you look very closely around the door area or main entrance. There will usually be a sign somewhere that says something along the lines of "The management reserve the right to refuse entry".

My parents own my house, not me. Do you think the police would laugh at me if I phoned them because someone had entered my home without my permission? Do you think they`d laugh down the phone, say "You`re not the owner of the property, get your parents to call back" and hang up?

Seriously man. Think before you post.
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Male 782
I love these heated debates in the comments. They are more entertaining than the video itself!
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Female 259
lol wut.
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Male 3,482
[quote]The OWNER OF THAT STOREFRONT can call the police to some effect, but NOT employees.[/quote]
Both of them were MANAGERS, you retard. In other words, the store IS, in effect, theirs. Especially when the owner of the franchise isn`t around in person. Which means they CAN call the cops. For that matter, if any problem gets too severe, ANY employee can call the cops if they need to.

And, as f*cking usual, you`re arguing semantics to get your point across, and failing miserably.
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Male 2,796
@Siyanor:

Honestly brother... do you know where you are right now? I have a hard time believing you are anywhere around 18-29 when you type crap like that.

Go read a book.
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Male 1,116
That pisses me off. Don`t harass the employees...it`s not like they can do anything about it. Also, thats the hottest target manager I`ve ever seen!
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Male 1,184
...Again, you idiots read only a small portion of my posts and not the entire thing.

THE EMPLOYEES DO NOT OWN THE PROPERTY, therefore, the EMPLOYEES calling the police will do ABSOLUTELY NOTHING. The OWNER OF THAT STOREFRONT can call the police to some effect, but NOT employees.
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Male 22
"What mistake? They supported a candidate, and they didn`t make everyone happy in the process. Oh no, what were they thinking?!"

Hopefully, big business will realize it is not good business to support candidtes and leave that to the average joe. Even if the left wing liberals only account for 20% of the popluation, do you want to give up 20% of your revenue pissing them off. That`s how I want them to think. I hope everytime a big corporation donates money, to the liberal, the conservative, the republican, the democrat, it causes them to have lots of protests by the other side. It costs them money, it aggreviates them, it wastes their time and money. And they say screw this, we aren`t donating any more.
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Male 3,482
Disregard my previous comment about leaving, for this one post...

[quote]Oh and Siyanor... you are a f*cking moron hands down. At least LtFurpie can argue while using brain cells because he seems to have the required equipment. You on the other hand...[/quote]

THANK YOU! Oh my god, thank you!

Someone else sees what I see in that moronic, self-absorbed *sshole...

And I`m expecting this comment to be deleted in..

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Male 3,482
One more thing before I leave...

I saw someone use "irregardless."

IRREGARDLESS is NOT a word!

And f*ck spell-check for letting it through...

Seriously, why is it so hard for people to understand that it`s a double negative, therefor negating their point?

The proper term is "regardless," which is already negative. If you add an "ir" prefix to it, it makes it negative in relation to the original word.

So, by adding an "ir" prefix, you`re making it positive, meaning "with regard."
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Female 1,593
Awww, I used to love Target.
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Male 4,680
What an excellent way to go about solving a problem.
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Male 3,482
[quote]"Well, it is illegal to protest on private property. "

Not in the U.S.[/quote]
Yes. Yes it is. You ARE allowed to protest on public property around the area, and in some areas you are allowed to protest in the large, open, public areas of large shopping centers and all that, but even IF you are allowed inside the store, they still have the right to kick you out.

That`s why it`s PRIVATELY OWNED PROPERTY, and we`re not considered COMMUNISTS, you know.

Otherwise, you would be allowed to walk in to someone`s HOUSE and "protest", or some small-business.

The first amendment and all that protects you, yes, but only until the point where you are stepping on the rights of others, because guess what? You may not like them, but they DO have rights too. That`s one thing people fail to understand all too often anymore.
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Male 3,482
Okay, getting on a megaphone and making those comments was nothing short of juvenile. Seriously, grow up.

And causing problems at a STORE over something CORPORATE did, is total BS in the first place.

You wanna complain? Find the main office and raise some hell. Don`t give these innocent workers sh*t to fuel your own agenda.

Having read just a little about the guy, I would probably hate his guts, but still...

[quote]But of course, the idiots who work there at Target and are fanning the flames by getting angry are idiots as well.[/quote]
How are they getting angry? The store manager was kicking out people who were loitering, disturbing customers, etc. Perfectly within the store`s rights and completely reasonable. Then, when they didn`t want to leave, they employees chased them out, also perfectly reasonable.
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Female 1,604
I don`t have a bunch of things to say like everyone else lol. I just want to say it isn`t the individuals who work there`s fault, they are just employees. and though poo really isn`t such a bad word kids were probably in that store.
They need to go to the corporate offices not the stores
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Female 61
First of all, what is that woman (whatever kind of manager she is) going to do? Secondly, I like Target even more now!
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Male 3,369
Right message. Wrong way to go about it. I guess even Liberals make mistakes.
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Male 715
" I don`t think Target or BestBuy will make this mistake again either."

What mistake? They supported a candidate, and they didn`t make everyone happy in the process. Oh no, what were they thinking?!
There`s more respectful ways to get your point across than to sink to the level of a 10yr old school yard crybaby.
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Male 7,834
demanding they donate it to a progay cause is just as bad as donating it to an anti-gay cause. they should really be neutral. but really, they probably didnt support this guy on his social ideals, but on his business/government relationship ideals. as a company it would not be in their best interest to support a candidate on the basis of pro/anti gay.
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Male 341
This is pretty dumb. Im not saying that what they are protesting is dumb, but its not that one stores fault what the corporate headquarters did. They were just making the day that much harder for the manager of that store
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Male 15,510
The land of complain
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Male 2,796
"I do think you are slightly missing the point. I would protest someone donating to a hitler follower. Maybe that`s not a good example cause Target sells ovens too, but irregardless, they were there to state an opinion, post it on youtube and leave. They did that, and peacefully I might add."

I don`t think so. They were protesting on private property. They were using profanity in a family shopping center (very loudly I might add). They were loitering. They were soliciting (which I know Target has a no soliciting policy). There was absolutely nothing right about this "protest" (more like disturbing the peace)

Oh and Siyanor... you are a f*cking moron hands down. At least LtFurpie can argue while using brain cells because he seems to have the required equipment. You on the other hand...
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Male 39,945
homeless "queer" youth?

No right to go inside... but a nice demonstration
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Female 448
They have the right to call the cops if people are disrupting business. These protests are childish anyways.
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Male 1
Hahahaha Idiots
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Male 7,378
I want to organize a boycott of that chicks underarm hair.
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Male 1,013
wha? I thought it was a great protest. I also thought the employees acted apropriately. They were peaceful and threatened to call the cops (which they can site loitering and public disruption). I don`t think Target or BestBuy will make this mistake again either. Fool me once, shame on me, fool me again, I`ve been fooled again, crap!
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Male 3,477
Not the way to protest! Raise your own money and support your own candidate. Walk it to my house and act like an non-nice individual because I gave to a candidate that didn`t support your agenda and you`d be seeing the business end of my twelve gauge shotgun. My tolerance for rainbows and ethnicities is growing thin. I try to be open minded but the SOB`s take a mile for every inch. Push push push, more more more all the time!! Keep backing us working moralistic white people in a corner and all Hell is gonna break loose. Just be happy with what you have. You are not going to change the world. Just ask an old Hippie.
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Male 1,184
Did anyone else notice that BOTH of the employees claimed that the entire store was their own property? It doesn`t belong to them. Even if one of them does own it, I highly doubt it belongs to both of them.

Even if they did call the police, the police would just laugh at them. Only private security could do anything), and the private security is already on the property if there is any.

I don`t care how effective or ineffective the protest is, it shows how retarded the employees are. The employees probably don`t even know why they`re protesting.
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Male 236
I hate when protesters try to argue their point and how it`s legal to do so, to anyone who asks them to stop. I love that we can protest, but it pisses me off so much when some know-it-all college stoner tells some cop about free speech and police brutality. like they`re ACTUALLY gonna sue!
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Male 12,365
[quote]Do you think that GLBTQ homeless people should have to endure hate speech and physical violence just to have some place warm and dry to sleep?[/quote]

Do you think?

Serious question, because your response isn`t above the level of a computer programmed to respond in certain ways to certain words. You are failing the Turing test.

At best, you`re arguing that the only possible options are hate speech and physical violence or denying people help they need solely because they have the "wrong" sexual orientation.

I reject your argument, which is a thin facade placed over bigotry.
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Male 1,013
I do think you are slightly missing the point. I would protest someone donating to a hitler follower. Maybe that`s not a good example cause Target sells ovens too, but irregardless, they were there to state an opinion, post it on youtube and leave. They did that, and peacefully I might add.
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Male 2,796
"Target donated $150,000. I don`t know about you, but it would take me a little time to earn that money. Which means Target gets much more influence on how the governmetn is run than I do. Don`t think that is right."

That`s not my point. My point is, Target donated a sum to (X) person. What did the opposition donate and to whom? I am saying Target showed support albeit monetarily, it doesn`t matter the price. Did the opposition do the same?? Did they show support in the same manner and if so, would it be right if Target protested that?
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Male 22
"But, what I am against is when one group of people tries to tell another how to spend their money. I wonder, how much money did the people in opposition donate to a pro-same-sex marriage campaign? Would it be right for Target to protest their campaign donations?"

Target donated $150,000. I don`t know about you, but it would take me a little time to earn that money. Which means Target gets much more influence on how the governmetn is run than I do. Don`t think that is right.
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Male 758
Wait, the CEO donated HIS money to the candidate- NOT the entire Target corporation. Who cares, really?
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Male 1,013
first of all, I`d agree with you. I would never follow a megolomaniacal selfish insecure deity. However, should I ask you nicely to leave, I would hope you would as did these protesters.
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Male 2,796
"splur, I think you`re missing the point. People who are for a group protest those that are opposed. For instance, if you are a Firefighter widower, you might be against a towel headed ignorant muslim who wants to put up a mosque a block from ground zero. In this case, a good company made a poor choice in donations and these people want to bring light to that error. that`s all."

No I get the point. But let me ask you this. Supposing you are religious: This website is notorious for posting things anti-religion. I am an atheist (true) so, would it be ok with you if I took a bullhorn, marched in your house and told you that you are wrong and an infedel for donating any amount of your time to IAB? Not olnly that, but loud enough for all your neighbors to hear?

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Male 129
Idiots. Its about time a national chain came out on the right side of a subject.
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Male 2,506
I gotta shop at target more often
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Male 1,013
splur, I think you`re missing the point. People who are for a group protest those that are opposed. For instance, if you are a Firefighter widower, you might be against a towel headed ignorant muslim who wants to put up a mosque a block from ground zero. In this case, a good company made a poor choice in donations and these people want to bring light to that error. that`s all.
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Male 22
I think the point here is that corporations want to become involved in politics by donating large sums to politicians. So this group says, you want to be involved, then you are involved, and protests Target for supporting a candidate. For that, I congratulate the protestors. I don`t think large corporations should be involved in politics like this. They are not really hurting the minimum wage guys. They still get their pay check whether they help an old lady or battle the protestors. But if it costs Target a few bucks and hurts the bottom line, the good is done.
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Male 10,338
Okay. Here`s a scenario.

A candidate comes out in favor of abortion. He also is in favor of keeping women out of the military. (just for example)

Does N.O.W. (National Organization of Women) Support and Protest at the same time?

Maybe this candidate supports cutting taxes. A business would support that. See what I`m saying?

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Male 2,796
I really am not for or against same sex marriage, actually quite indifferent. But, what I am against is when one group of people tries to tell another how to spend their money. I wonder, how much money did the people in opposition donate to a pro-same-sex marriage campaign? Would it be right for Target to protest their campaign donations?
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Female 336
This was nothing but an extremely lame publicity stunt. While I agree with the people who feel Target is supporting bigotry with their donation, the managers and other employees working in the stores are not the ones responsible for it. High-ranking executives make decisions like that, not the minimum-wage grunts who stock the shelves.

Why didn`t the people who made this video have their demonstration in front of Target`s corporate office instead of making themselves look like fools in a store full of people who had nothing to do with what they were protesting?
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Female 582
Wow, the people who made this were a bunch of non-nice individuals.

Not that they didn`t have a valid opinion or that -Target`s support of this politician are right, but these people were in no way helping their cause. GLBTQ organizations need respectful representatives, not whiny teenagers.

Go find some constructive way to contribute instead of causing problems.
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Male 1,540
This would be full of win, but it`s full of fail. Anyone who`s worked customer service at places like target knows that their particular store has nothing to do with what corporate does. They just want to go to work, make some money with as little hassle as possible and go home. poo like this just hurts normal, hard working people who don`t represent the views or actions of the corporate entity in question.
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Male 24
"Actually, boycotts can be very effective."

Oh yeah, I`m very aware that boycotts can be effective. Nestle boycott, the apartheid boycott were effective.

But! In this boycott attempt, Target is not directly discriminating against homosexual; many see that. It`s much more complicated than that. And I`m sure not many people would boycott a major corp based on a donation to some politician who has an anti-gay stance. This boycott is useless.
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Male 2,056
/facepalm

this is not how you protest effectively
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Male 1,054
"Nice way to stick it to the minimum wage people in your community trying to feed their kids. "

Nice way to stick to GLBTQ human beings - who you seem willing to sacrifice for the benefit of Target`s employees.

Further, the management of Target is responsible - they chose to support a rabidly anti-gay candidate after years of seeking GLBTQ people as customers by presenting themselves as pro-equality.

Blame the liars in the management of Target. They created this situation.
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Male 1,013
It`s not slanderous if it is true. Anyways, while it is slightly illegal, their goal wasn`t to convince the shoppers that day at Target. Their goal was to make a youtube video wich has a huge number of hits now. (Valynn post has about 300000 hits and this one is currently almost 128000 hits.) Oh, and to whomever said they took over their PA system, did you not see that they brought a magaphone with them? Shame on Target for not doing their due dillegence before donating to a party who is not for the people.
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Male 1,054
"This is slander, and Target has ground to bury the group that did this. "

No and no. No matter how much you hate GLBTQ people, the protest is not slander.
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Male 1,054
"There`s obviously bigotry on both sides. You can tell that right from the poster taped to the wall, the one promoting helping homeless people *only* if they`re queer. Straight and homeless? Go die in an alley! "

No. Your assumption is bigotry. GLBTQ people in homeless shelters experience significant physical abuse from other homeless people - just as women and children in shelters risk abuse from men.

So some organizations seek to provide safer facilities for GLBTQ, women and children by limiting those facilities to only women, or only families with children, or only GLBTQ people.

It is really no different from providing separate restrooms based on gender, separate areas for non-smokers, - it is about providing safe resources.

Do you think that GLBTQ homeless people should have to endure hate speech and physical violence just to have some place warm and dry to sleep?
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Male 1,054
"Donating money to someone who doesn`t support same-sex marriage is not the same as giving money to a bigot."

Actually, that is exactly what it is. The only reason for opposing same-sex marriage is bigotry - the idea that same-sex couples, GLBTQ people, are intrinsically inferior and therefore, not entitled to civil contracts like marriage.

".you`re just acting like non-nice individuals to people"

Banning same-sex marriage far exceeds "acting like non-nice individuals". Your priorities are questionable at best.

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Male 10,338
This is slander, and Target has ground to bury the group that did this.

BP contributed to Barack Obama`s campaign. Should we now claim that he supports the spill?
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Male 1,054
"A boycotting minority has an unlikely chance of solving anything."

Actually, boycotts can be very effective. Just ask Rosa Parks: http://www.holidays.net/mlk/rosa.htm

The boycott continued for over a year. It eventually took the United States Supreme Court to end the boycott. On November 13, 1956 the Court declared that Alabama`s state and local laws requiring segregation on buses were illegal. On December 20th federal injunctions were served on the city and bus company officials forcing them to follow the Supreme Court`s ruling.

The following morning, December 21, 1956, Dr. King and Rev. Glen Smiley, a white minister, shared the front seat of a public bus. The boycott had lasted 381 days. The boycott was a success.
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Male 1,054
"Well, it is illegal to protest on private property. "

Not in the U.S.

"Honestly, this is stupid. If you give money to a political campaign you can`t say that they support everything the guy does. Maybe, like all other big businesses, they support a republican majority and need to give money to contested races."

Yes, your post was stupid. The boycott is not. The candidate in question overtly supports persecuting an entire class of people. I can guarantee that if he targeted you, you`d try to discourage people from shopping at Target as well.

Further, Target has been promoting itself to GLBTQ people as a pro-equality corporation. Some people feel strongly enough about injustice that they do not want any of their money to support injustice, even indirectly.

Other people, of course, simply care only about themselves.
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Male 1,931
Nice way to stick it to the minimum wage people in your community trying to feed their kids. Make a difference somewhere else, non-nice individuals.
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Male 508
Why should I support `queer youth` or `transgender services`?

Is there a tax write off for a penis-ectomy?
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Male 210
Honestly, this is stupid. If you give money to a political campaign you can`t say that they support everything the guy does. Maybe, like all other big businesses, they support a republican majority and need to give money to contested races.

non-nice individuals who go to stores and preach to people who had no idea about any of it so they could make a pooty youtube video are the real enemy.
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Male 4,807
Did anyone notice those "coupons" seemed to be laying on asphalt?
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Male 792
Well, it is illegal to protest on private property. I don`t care if Target employees are eating kittens. There are better ways to protest.
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Male 296
"Oh, the CEO of target donated money to a cause that we don`t like. Let`s go to one random Target store, commandeer their PA system, and make an ass of ourselves. Yehp, that should do it. We`ll have that money back in no time."
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Male 24
A boycotting minority has an unlikely chance of solving anything.
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Male 472
See: http://youtube.com/watch?v=LgkCr8mzc4U

They support him for his business views.
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Male 12,365
There`s obviously bigotry on both sides. You can tell that right from the poster taped to the wall, the one promoting helping homeless people *only* if they`re queer. Straight and homeless? Go die in an alley!

The "anti" side is worse because they`re adding hypocrisy to bigotry. Twice over, because they`re placing the burden on the same low-end workers that corporate greed places the burden on. Of course, that`s obviously OK because most of them are straight and therefore don`t matter.
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Male 472
Do they even think that target is supporting him for other believes than anti gay?
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Male 3,755
It`s a free country. You don`t like it, don`t shop there. Either way, get over it.
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Male 588
Compared to this, flying dicks at Kasparov`s speech were a pinnacle of intelligent protest.
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Female 71
Well to those who think this protest was `undeserved,` here`s a video of a protest that was handled better: http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=2SipXbgyi68
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Male 12,365
Incidentally, Thesphinx, why do you think that gay marriage is a complicated issue?
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Male 472
That manager at the target was hot. While the people protesting was fat.
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Male 12,365
[quote]I mean, sure, I`m pro gay marriage, but it`s too complicated an issue right now to label one side as "fueling corporate greed."[/quote]

They might be referring to some of Tom Emmer`s other proposals, such as allowing employers to take a lot of the tips that customers give to employees. No joke. The idea is that if you, for example, give $5 to whoever served your food, the business that employs them takes $5 out of their wages. So, in effect, the tip is taken from the employee and given to the employer.

Tom Emmer basically supports anything that allows corporations to screw bottom-line workers more. Reducing minimum wage, taking their tips, anything.
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Male 2,841
Boycotting solves nothing.
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Male 5,314
whine whine whine, bitch bitch bitch
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Male 768
Cause they needs something to wipe the shame off with, lol....priceless.
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Female 3,726
Wow, I`m all for activism and protesting against discrimination but come on....you`re just acting like non-nice individuals to people making minimum wage and can`t do poo about anything....

*facepalm*
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Male 350
These people are worse than the people they`re trying to protest.

Donating money to someone who doesn`t support same-sex marriage is not the same as giving money to a bigot. I mean, sure, I`m pro gay marriage, but it`s too complicated an issue right now to label one side as "fueling corporate greed."

So what do you do? Stand inside of a target and spew profanity and create vandalism! That solves everything.

But of course, the idiots who work there at Target and are fanning the flames by getting angry are idiots as well. You`re practically giving them the go-ahead to post this stuff on Youtube if you start doing that.
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Female 159
i hate crap like this. the employees did nothing to deserve this. its corporate that did it.
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Male 20,917
Link: Bigotry Special At Target [Rate Link] - Target donated $150,000 to anti-LGBT bigot Tom Emmer`s campaign. Lots of people aren`t happy about that.
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