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138 Responses to Best Congress Ever! Oh, wait… 11%?

  1. Profile photo of 5Cats
    5Cats Male 50-59
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    August 2, 2010 at 11:11 am
    Link: Best Congress Ever! Oh, wait... 11%? - Obama promised open, fair and honest, the American Public responds to his lies.
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    defiythelie Male 18-29
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    August 2, 2010 at 4:11 pm
    Berry`s lies have FAIL!
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    tedgp Male 30-39
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    August 2, 2010 at 4:12 pm
    Sorry, i tend not to believe what peopel write in a blog.
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    sheaton319 Male 18-29
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    August 2, 2010 at 4:13 pm
    wait
    why is this from 2 years ago?
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    Muffinzzz Male 13-17
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    August 2, 2010 at 4:14 pm
    Obama ftl
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    sheaton319 Male 18-29
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    August 2, 2010 at 4:15 pm
    also
    "Sorry, i tend not to believe what peopel write in a blog."
    Its not a blog hot shot, its Gallup`s site.
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    Seastone Female 18-29
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    August 2, 2010 at 4:17 pm
    You realize this is from July *2008*, right?
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    unholycow11 Male 18-29
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    August 2, 2010 at 4:26 pm
    I am very left leaning individual politically and I for one feel very much disappointed in our congress. Not because of Obama, and not because of the legislation they`ve passed, but because of petty political games played by the GOP. The filibuster is being used and abused while any sort of bipartisanship is being tossed aside for their November elections. That`s not to say of course that the Democrats don`t play the same game, but pinning this on Obama is nonsense.

    And, as other people have posted this is ancient news. Is this just IAB`s way of throwing a bone to the right wingers?
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    Oster Male 40-49
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    August 2, 2010 at 4:27 pm
    @Muffinzzz "Obama ftl"

    The chart is from 2008; the last year of the Bush administration.
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    goaliejerry Male 30-39
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    August 2, 2010 at 4:27 pm
    This was from July 16, 2008.

    Who lies now?

    Death Panels? Birthers? Obama is a Kenyan Muslim Hitler? Iraq has WMDs?

    Yeah, OBAMA lies....what did he "lie" about that isn`t just your disagreement on policy?

    Thanks for ending the war in Iraq Obama, like you PROMISED! Thanks for saving the economy from collapse, like you PROMISED! Thanks for passing Healthcare for the poor, like you PROMISED!

    I understand you righties are desperate for any good news you can find after having you asses handed to you in the last general election, but deluding yourselves that inevitable pickups in November are a sign of a swing in your direction is delusional. The out of power party ALWAYS gains in midterms.

    But hey, whats more American than blindly hating the person the public elected for President? We ALL do it from time to time.
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    goaliejerry Male 30-39
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    August 2, 2010 at 4:30 pm
    And as unholycow mentioned, Congressional approval also reflects people`s anger at the GOP, the Party of "Lets Do NOTHING For America, Blame the problems we caused on the Democrats, and hope everyone forgets how Conservatives drove the economy into the ground with lax financial oversight, tax cuts for the wealthy, and a war with Iraq!"

    People haven`t forgotten what the GOP did last time they were in power.
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    sheaton319 Male 18-29
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    August 2, 2010 at 4:33 pm
    @goaliejerry
    Obama claimed to close Guantanamo bay which hasn`t happened
    he also promised a transparent government which also has not happened
    he lied just like every politician lies
    you need to wake up
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    unholycow11 Male 18-29
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    August 2, 2010 at 4:36 pm
    @sheaton
    Politicians promise lots of things-- not everything is possible. In my opinion Obama has done pretty well at keeping most his promises.
    Check out the Obameter to see how well he is doing.

    Obmaeter~
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    goaliejerry Male 30-39
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    August 2, 2010 at 4:40 pm
    Sheaton - Republicans are on record as BLOCKING any move to close gitmo.

    Vague arguments about a "lack of transparency" belie how shallow the complaint is. What, do you want 24/7 Cameras in the oval office? Daily tweets following meetings with Cabinet officials? Are you aware of the Federal Register, and how it details everything Administrative Agencies are doing? Do you read it? Of course not! Nobody does because its boring!

    Obama is CRYSTAL CLEAR about his objectives, and you are all pissed because he is a HIGHLY EFFECTIVE President, accomplishing what he said he WOULD.

    Seriously, what do you mean "more transparent?" I know exactly what he`s doing - he tells people in speeches, then he does it.

    When Republicans say "more transparent" what they REALLY mean are "we want to find garbage on him, but we haven`t; therefore, that proves our conspiracy theory that he is hiding something!"
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    madest Male 40-49
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    August 2, 2010 at 4:44 pm
    Why is this here? Who approved this poo for posting? Who gives a drat what the public thinks 1/2 way into his presidency? This should not have been approved for posting. Just dumb.
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    sheaton319 Male 18-29
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    August 2, 2010 at 4:48 pm
    @goaliejerry
    what about the ACTA?
    The obama administration has flat out refused to disclose its contents.
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    gorgack2000 Male 13-17
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    August 2, 2010 at 4:51 pm
    "Obama promised open, fair and honest, the American Public responds to his lies."
    "Blog posted 2008 (when Obama was not in power)"
    "5cats political status - Conservative"

    Something`s up...
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    goaliejerry Male 30-39
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    August 2, 2010 at 4:54 pm
    Madest - polls like this stuff always amuse me.

    Like, in the healthcare debate, Republicans would waive around biased Rasmussen polls saying "the public does not want this bill!"

    The legislation was so complex, and the citizenry so ill-informed (death panels! AHHHHH!), however, that asking lay people their opinion on it was like asking lay people the following poll:

    When performing a Precutaneous Corronary Intervention, do you approve or disapprove of the treatment of saphenous vein bypass graft obstructions? Obama disapproves, and wants to rape your grandmother on her death bed to harvest her organs for unwed teenage mothers on welfare.

    Look! 55% approve!
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    mttz Male 30-39
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    August 2, 2010 at 4:57 pm
    Anybody else notice this is dated JULY 16, 2008??? Really guys?
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    I-IS-BORED Male 18-29
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    August 2, 2010 at 4:59 pm
    `July 16, 2008`
    umm.... how is this obama?
    obama was sworn in January, 2009
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    auburnjunky Male 30-39
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    August 2, 2010 at 4:59 pm
    This has nothing to do with Obama. It has to do with the Democrat controlled congress.

    They took the majority in 2006.
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    I-IS-BORED Male 18-29
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    August 2, 2010 at 5:01 pm
    the caption should read `obama makes promises, american public build time machines and claim he broke those promises in the past, before he made them and before he was even in power` cuz that`s about how much sense this makes
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    msieg007 Male 18-29
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    August 2, 2010 at 5:04 pm
    ANARCHY IN THE USA!
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    dave32891 Male 18-29
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    August 2, 2010 at 5:05 pm
    Did anyone else realize?
    ALL THE DATES ARE FROM 2008!!
    aka this is all bush
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    auburnjunky Male 30-39
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    August 2, 2010 at 5:08 pm
    @dave:

    Democrat controlled congress.
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    goaliejerry Male 30-39
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    August 2, 2010 at 5:09 pm
    "The obama administration has flat out refused to disclose its contents."

    Why would they disclose the contents of an un-finished, un-enacted international treaty being written by multiple parties mid-negotiations? That would HARM American interests by putting everyone on the spot before differences would be worked out by BARGAINING. The PRESIDENT negotiates treaties.

    See this is what I`m talking about. You types say "no transparency!"

    The reality is, if they released a draft of a work in progress, you`d pounce on something, blame the President, and HARM AMERICA`S BARGAINING POSITION.

    ANY Treaty, in order to become law, must be approved by Congress, and when it comes to a vote - BEFORE becoming law, it will be a matter of public record.

    Negotiators need CONFIDENTIALITY. You don`t lay all your cards on the table before the END of the game.

    Calls for "transparency" are nothing but disingenuous efforts cl
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    5Cats Male 50-59
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    August 2, 2010 at 5:11 pm
    Oops! It`s actually 11% today, I linked the wrong article...

    Here`s a recent one

    I got it mixed up because a link at the site I was reading about this went to this, incorrect, poll result.
    Ooops! Lolz!
    Anyhow, I bet the mods had a laugh when they put this up" "Ho ho ho! His link is ancient, that`s funneh!"
    (Assuming they noticed... lolz!)
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    tridirk Male 50-59
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    August 2, 2010 at 5:13 pm
    Drink the KoolAid and blame the other side. It has become the hallmark of our political leaders. Many of you dismiss this because it`s "2008" and all Bush`s fault. Well let`s see what the latest is Click here for Gallup Congressional Approval Results 2010 The evil US Military is at 76% and our saviours the Congress.....11%? What?
  29. Profile photo of 5Cats
    5Cats Male 50-59
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    August 2, 2010 at 5:18 pm
    Also, I DO understand that the President isn`t `congress`, but the two are closely linked, especially when they`re the same party, eh?
    The Pelosi Era will go down as the worst congress in US history, corrupt, ineffective, partisan and arrogant. And several other words the censor won`t let me use :)
    However Mr Obama PROMISED he`d have the "most open and honest administration EVER" Remember? Promise: Heatlhcare debates LIVE on tv!
    Reality: Secret back-room deals
    P: Healthcare bill on the web a WEEK before the vote so the American people can read the whole thing!
    R: NO ONE read the bill before it passed. Not even those who voted for it!
    & etc.

    People don`t like being lied to. Nancy`s been doing it since day 1 of her term, and now Barak`s doing it too. YES yes ALL politicians lie, but that doesn`t excuse the Obama Administration from being held accountable, eh?
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    shaboinkin Male 18-29
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    August 2, 2010 at 5:20 pm
    (Basing numbers from those in the original link)

    Looking at the link 5cats has: Do you realize they are polling about 1000 people? There are over 228 million adults in our country. How do these polls have any credibility and why do people listen to them?
    I still hate politics but still...
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    goaliejerry Male 30-39
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    August 2, 2010 at 5:24 pm
    Again, America knows why Congress isn`t getting enough done - the Party of NO says NO to EVERYTHING.

    In the Republican mind, the only effective government is the one they run (please ignore the squandering of a massive surplus at the beginning of Bush`s first term by giving massive tax cuts to rich people, which drove up the defecit and the economy STILL collapsed under a Republican President. Oh and forget the Fox News / Republican cheerleading to invade Iraq too.)

    Republicans are so sure about the next election, and just shrug off the ass-handling they took less than two years ago as a fluke. As if suddenly Millions of people who voted for Obama have become Republicans.

    Vote Republican! Our Policies may not be different than those that ran this country to the ground, but, um, Obama is Hitler!
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    5Cats Male 50-59
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    August 2, 2010 at 5:28 pm
    vv @goaliejerry`s ranting again! lolz!
    Lets see: the troops are still IN IRAQ. How does that count as keeping his promise?
    > It took 9 MONTHS to actually make a decision on Afghanistan, based solely on the advisors Barak appointed (can`t blame Bush for that one).
    > Put the General that Bush had in Iraq (who the Democrats HATED!) in charge in Afghan!
    > Gitmo Bay STILL operating exactly like under Bush
    > NO civilian trials for detainees, like he repeatedly promised

    There`s a host of them, like all politicos "on campaign" what they SAY and what they DO are 99% different.
    BUT (and it`s a BIG BUT) Obama promised to BE DIFFERENT! HOPE AND CHANGE remember?
    He`s busy hoisting himself on his own pointard, oh and golfing, it`s going to be fun in November :)
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    goaliejerry Male 30-39
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    August 2, 2010 at 5:31 pm
    "Heatlhcare debates LIVE on tv!"

    Lolcats, they WERE!

    Did YOU watch committee meetings on CSPAN? They were there. Oh, but you wanted a SHOW. Not actual government, but a cartoon version, fit for YouTube, where in 30 minutes both sides debate, vote, and conclude.

    You know, where they call him a Bill, he`s on Capitol Hill, and something....

    Corrupt? Some politicians are always corrupt, you`re not ignorant, you KNOW why the Tom Delay`s of the Republican party aren`t around anymore.

    Do you actually have ANY EVIDENCE that this Congress is MORE corrupt? I know you don`t, because its not true.

    And YOU RIGHTIES ARE SO INTERNALLY INCONSISTENT YOU DON`T EVEN SEE IT.

    You whine and cry about how DANGEROUS Democrats are, passing Health Care Reform, Reforming Wall Street, Passing Massive Economy Saving Stimulus Packages, Saving the Auto Industry, Winding Down the Iraq War . . .

    No, but to YOU, thats "ineffective
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    sheaton319 Male 18-29
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    August 2, 2010 at 5:36 pm
    @goaliejerry
    If you knew anything about what the ACTA is going to do you would understand that it needs to be disclosed and it will not harm any american interest by doing so.
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    5Cats Male 50-59
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    August 2, 2010 at 5:38 pm
    the Party of NO says NO to EVERYTHING.
    Ah GJ, never let reality interfer with your ranting, eh!
    The Dems have a MAJORITY in BOTH houses! Please explain HOW the Reps are preventing, in any way, bills from being passed?
    Oh yeah, because the bills are so partisan, pork-laden and leftist, even the Dems choke on them and vote NO!
    Lolz!
    Also, please post a chart of how the Dems ALWAYS supported Bush from 2000-2006, m-kay? What? They voted NO all the time? Like opposition parties DO ALL THE TIME!!! lolz!
    Your hypocritical double-standard is amusing to me GJ, really it is!
    Oh yeah, and Barak`s comment on why the Reps weren`t even consulted (on some early bill he & Nancy passed)
    QUOTE> We won <END QUOTE
    So much for "reaching across the isle and ensuring that EVERY piece of legislation has bi-partisan support" (paraphrase from Barak`s speach) eh?
    "We won."
    Time to redistribute the wealth! He`s KEEPING that
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    goaliejerry Male 30-39
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    August 2, 2010 at 5:38 pm
    The right-wing actively sabotages and blocks attempts at reform, THEN blames Obama for not doing enough! Yeah, real consistent.

    Congress - not Obama - is blocking closing Gitmo. They control the purse, not Obama.

    There are to be only 50,000 troops in Iraq by the end of this month - EXACTLY ACCORDING THE WHAT HE SAID HE WOULD DO.

    Oh, but he`s both not doing anything AND destroying America too.
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    Angelmassb Male 18-29
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    August 2, 2010 at 5:39 pm
    How American is this
  38. Profile photo of goaliejerry
    goaliejerry Male 30-39
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    August 2, 2010 at 5:45 pm
    I`ll agree with you on one thing 5Cats - to the victors go the spoils. And Dems will continue to control the Agenda for years.

    Obama and the Democrats did EXACTLY what we elected them to do, and despite your claims of being "ineffective," from your perspective I think they`ve been TOO effective for your tastes.

    Again, I knew the DAY Obama was elected Democrats would lose seats in `10, so its a little over-exuberant for Reps to get a big ol` boner for doing what history showed was inevitable.

    The "Tea Party" sure helped Dems keep the Senate, however, by fielding CRAZY candidates.
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    goaliejerry Male 30-39
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    August 2, 2010 at 5:45 pm
    Good sir.
  40. Profile photo of 5Cats
    5Cats Male 50-59
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    August 2, 2010 at 5:47 pm
    Lolcats, they WERE!
    No, the negotiations were done in back rooms, no Republicans allowed! Dems by invite ONLY!
    The bill put up for VOTE wasn`t read by anyone! It still had many `placeholders` in it for God`s sake! That`s OK for debate, not for passing into law!

    And the `debate` you refer to? on a bill NO ONE has read? The Dems invoked "closure" (what we call it in Canada idk how the USA spells it, `cloture` or something) and ENDED THE DEBATE so they could pass the bill BEFORE ANYONE COULD READ IT.

    They then shredded the constitution when the bill came back from the senate too.

    Save the auto industry? lolz! They paid back their loans with... STIMULUS HANDOUTS! lolz!

    Hey GJ, what`s the unemployment rate? 5.5% like under "Bad Bush"? Oh heck... 9.7%...

    Go on GJ, you`re bound to accidentally get a fact right if you keep at it long enough...
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    5Cats Male 50-59
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    August 2, 2010 at 5:54 pm
    Again, MY MISTAKE on the link, ek?
    Here`s the real one, support at 11%

    And, again, I know Prez Obama ISN`T part of Congress, but he promised the `most open and honest administration ever` and then appointed Czars left & right... but mostly left! @lolz!
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    madest Male 40-49
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    August 2, 2010 at 5:56 pm
    Whats the matter Cat5? Can`t find any polls bashing Canadian Prime Minister Whatshisface?
  43. Profile photo of goaliejerry
    goaliejerry Male 30-39
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    August 2, 2010 at 5:56 pm
    5Cats - you`re being disingenuous about how legislation works. No one "reads" the entire bill through because it was constructed by numerous parties to change various different parts of the federal code. The language chosen wasn`t just thrown together randomly, it was assembled with PURPOSE.

    I know, Bohener made a big fuss over no one reading it, but HE KNOWS NO ONE READS 2700 page bills - not even him! - because they don`t make sense in the abstract! They "plug in" to the existing federal code, amending various sections, changing language, establishing new sections, etc.

    Its not like a novel.

    Summaries are fine if accurate.


    BTW - HERES A FUN FACT!

    Do you know why the Bush Tax Cuts are expiring this year? BECAUSE THEY WERE PASSED BY REPUBLICANS USING RECONCILIATION, because they did not have the votes to defeat a Democratic filibuster. Yep, how "unconstitutional" was the process then, Good sir?

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    goaliejerry Male 30-39
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    August 2, 2010 at 5:58 pm
    And the economy TANKED under Bush, as you recall. Bad Congressional / Presidential poll numbers in a recession are (1) to be expected and (2) are more reflective of public fear of economic collapse than true reflections on governing ability.

    CZARS - man, you are right in line, good sir.

    Did you know the FIRST Czar was appointed by Reagan! Its true - the first Drug "Czar" was Reagan`s. Fun Fact!

    Ok, I`m out, won`t be responding, see you in November buddy!
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    idiotfilter Male 18-29
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    August 2, 2010 at 6:04 pm
    so....why are we blaming Obama because our own appointed congressman are doing exactly what we voted them in to do.....oppose the opposition?
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    sheaton319 Male 18-29
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    August 2, 2010 at 6:14 pm
    actually it goes back much further than reagan goaliejerry
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    Hemtroll Male 18-29
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    August 2, 2010 at 6:22 pm
    "the American Public responds to his lies. "


    Hahahaha bonus points for not pretending you`re fair and unbiased!
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    handys003 Male 50-59
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    August 2, 2010 at 6:32 pm
    All polticians are blowtards.
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    Siyanor Male 18-29
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    August 2, 2010 at 6:42 pm
    Umm...

    Congressional approval ratings has absolutely nothing whatsoever to do with Obama. Anyone who thinks it does needs to die.
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    tridirk Male 50-59
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    August 2, 2010 at 6:45 pm
    Those that keep telling us the poll is from 2008 obviously don`t read comments before posting. No poo!
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    Webz Male 18-29
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    August 2, 2010 at 6:50 pm
    Last time I checked Obama was at 120 promises kept to 20 broken with 243 still in the works so I wouldn`t exactly call him a "liar" just yet.

    Besides, most of the problems with the current congress have come about because Republicans have decided their sole purpose is not to do what`s best for America, but instead, to just do everything they can to dick over Obama so they can get back into power and start filling their pockets with cash again. For that reason, I don`t approve of Congress very much either at the minute.
  52. Profile photo of 5Cats
    5Cats Male 50-59
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    August 2, 2010 at 6:53 pm
    we voted them in to do.....oppose the opposition?
    I think my brains just `sploded! Lolz! A new and novel way to blame the Republicans for everything, idiotfilter!

    LAter GJ! And YEah, Regan started that nonesense, and here in Canada WLM King did it way back in the 30`s (we have different names for it, but it`s essentially the same thing, NON-elected people appointed to positions of power).
    I hated it when Regan did it- Drug Czar to lead the War On Drugs! Woopie! That`ll stop them! And I hated every Czar both Rep and Dem since. Obama has had a field day with it though, most EVER. How that for `accountability` eh?

    No one, not even Canadians, care about Canadian politics...
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    YoungOola Male 13-17
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    August 2, 2010 at 6:58 pm
    Why are idiots running our government again?
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    Boredered Male 18-29
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    August 2, 2010 at 7:00 pm
    That leaves one percent..
  55. Profile photo of 5Cats
    5Cats Male 50-59
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    August 2, 2010 at 7:05 pm
    vv Again @Webz how exactly do Reps `dick him over` without a majority? Wouldn`t it be the DEMS dicking over Obama, since they, you know, control BOTH houses?
    I looked over the "120 promises kept" and they were a highly UN-impressive bunch.
    What about "no new spending without a cut elsewhere in the budget"? What happened to that? Not listed under `broken`, what a surprise.

    Oh, and the kept ones? I like #57: `Expand eligibility for the Medicaid and SCHIP programs` wow, great! Only he CUT 500 BILLION from those programs to `pay for` healthcare.

    Congradulations, you qualify now!
    Bad news though, no money! So sorry.

    The ONLY promise he seems to want to keep is to `redistribute the wealth`.
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    davymid Male 30-39
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    August 2, 2010 at 7:07 pm
    Cats, fixed your link for ya.
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    IamBored29 Male 18-29
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    August 2, 2010 at 7:36 pm
    I def. come to I-A-B for politics...not the laughs

    /sarcasm
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    Cajun247 Male 18-29
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    August 2, 2010 at 7:39 pm
    @YoungOola

    "May you live in interesting times!"
    Yeah, cuz there will always self-centered idiots running governments WHEREEVER you go. There are very few exceptions.

    hehe.
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    CrakrJak Male 40-49
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    August 2, 2010 at 7:43 pm
    GJ: I`ll agree with you on one thing 5Cats - to the victors go the spoils. And Dems will continue to control the Agenda for years.

    You really are in denial about the tsunami headed the democrats way this November aren`t you ? The 2010 election tidal wave will make 1994 look like a pool party.

    And when the Republicans win, I don`t want to hear any crying from you because to the victors go the spoils
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    PirateWillis Male 18-29
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    August 2, 2010 at 7:46 pm
    This is in `08. Whoever sent this in doesn`t read thoroughly. I picked up on it when it started talking about what it means for the Bush administration.
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    Cajun247 Male 18-29
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    August 2, 2010 at 7:52 pm
    @PirateWillis
    What the f--k are you smokin?
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    Wizard77 Male 40-49
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    August 2, 2010 at 7:54 pm
    The fact is that there is NO reason (NONE) that the GOP should have been able to stand in the way of ANYTHING! Bush was a bastard of the first order. He hammered the Patriot Act through and gutted the constitution. He then want spend crazy and ran our economy to the brink of destruction. Obama inherited this mess and has done nothing but make it WORSE. He has spent our money like a Chicago politician (go figure) and used the door Bush beat down to go in and start destroying the liberty of every U.S. citizen as fast as he can.

    If you are a Republican you can thank Bush for the ease and freedom Obama enjoys to rapidly turn you into chattel.

    If you are a Democrat you can thank the greed and avarice of your own party for not being able to get legislation passed.

    Good day.




    I SAID GOOD DAY!!!
  63. Profile photo of Cajun247
    Cajun247 Male 18-29
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    August 2, 2010 at 7:57 pm
    @CrakrJak

    Really because last I heard the attitude was more like anti-incumbent then anti-Democrat. It`s a mixed bag if you these check. Course opinions could change like they did in the `08 caucuses.
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    Cajun247 Male 18-29
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    August 2, 2010 at 7:58 pm
    arrrghhh!

    It should`ve said "check these out"
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    IamBored29 Male 18-29
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    August 2, 2010 at 8:02 pm
    1.9 rating
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    Altaru Male 18-29
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    August 2, 2010 at 8:37 pm
    Siyanor
    Congressional approval ratings has absolutely nothing whatsoever to do with Obama. Anyone who thinks it does needs to die.
    You know, I wasn`t even going to bother posting here, but this got to me...

    For someone who says he would probably kill himself if he was even REMOTELY responsible for the death of another human being, you sure seem to say that a lot of people deserve to die...

    (Sorry, everyone else, bringing up an old debate that I probably shouldn`t. I just couldn`t pass this up.)

    Now, as for my feelings concerning this post...

    F*ck all you Democrats, Republicans, and whatever the hell else you are.

    Let`s get some people in the government that will actually do the job RIGHT, regardless of party or whatever bullsh*t has the US divided right now...

    Otherwise... I say revolution.

    And let`s do it Viking style.

    Burn the women and rape the houses.

    No, that wasn`t backwards.
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    auburnjunky Male 30-39
    10339 posts
    August 2, 2010 at 8:42 pm
    Hear hear altaru! Rape the town and pillage the women!
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    mdg Male 30-39
    44 posts
    August 2, 2010 at 8:42 pm
    Wizard77, you are abso-frickin-lutely right. Both main parties are similar versions of the same shoddy thing. Freedom what?
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    Cajun247 Male 18-29
    10731 posts
    August 2, 2010 at 8:54 pm
    @auburnjunky and Altaru
    Hail hail my friends.
    Lets party like they did the streets of Iran in the sizzlin` Summer of `09!
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    Stodogs Female 13-17
    301 posts
    August 2, 2010 at 9:06 pm
    @Altaru-Thank you! Finally someone who knows what they`re talking about!
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    primetimekin Male 18-29
    7935 posts
    August 2, 2010 at 9:16 pm
    man, I`ve had english test that score higher than 11%
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    moefreak Female 18-29
    1963 posts
    August 2, 2010 at 9:19 pm
    Well that seems like a very biased... oh. 5Cats. This is just pretty ridiculous. I`m sure the way that the public views the congress is a direct reflection of Obama`s "lies".

    I won`t bother to attempt an intelligent reply to this.
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    auburnjunky Male 30-39
    10339 posts
    August 2, 2010 at 9:32 pm
    @moefreak:

    It`s gallup. They aren`t at all biased. They are about the only institution left that isn`t.
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    Dolomyte Male 18-29
    102 posts
    August 2, 2010 at 9:36 pm
    I think comments like Nancy Pelosi saying "We just have to pass the bill to find out what`s in it." in reference to the health care reform bill kind of add to this 11% approval rating.
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    goaliejerry Male 30-39
    4017 posts
    August 2, 2010 at 9:45 pm
    CrakrJak - Not even Republicans think the Senate is in play anymore. Angle is a disaster, and Reid was prime pickens! Tea Party is too far right for true independents, they over-shot.

    Its not denial. Democrats will (likely*) still Control the Senate, along with the White House. Thus, the "agenda."

    The Republican House can pass silly bills like "ban all Mexicans" or "hate Islam," and the Senate, in its deliberative manner, will ignore the rabble (the House) and get on with the business of governance.

    And, respectfully, you don`t play the game unless you are in it to WIN. You know what team I play for. I f*cking root for them until the buzzer blows, then I drink away the misery, then I pick up the next day and work for the next round.

    You do no less, and our mutual craziness clashes and the BEST (what is best for America) tends to shake out in the center.
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    DaBigMachine Male 30-39
    125 posts
    August 2, 2010 at 10:00 pm
    The Democratic led Congress in both houses shows yet again how they`re the best at being the worst and they won second place too!

    Look forward to visiting these boards and discussing the elections with Sadest and GoalieJerry after the election in November. Though I`m sure I`ll hear, "No waaay, we totally won cause it wasn`t as bad of a loss as we thought it would be! Hey, we still have the Senate (to be determined)!"
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    goaliejerry Male 30-39
    4017 posts
    August 2, 2010 at 10:07 pm
    Its probably better for Obama`s chances in 2012 to have at least one branch of gov. in Republican hands.

    Americans favor divided Government.

    If Democrats controlled BOTH houses of Congress after `10, he`d be less likely to win.

    2012 is a long ways away, incumbent Presidents have the advantage.

    I believe that Republicans are simply not appreciating how much Obama HAS ACTUALLY CHANGED AMERICA.

    They prematurely ejaculated over the "death" of health-care reform...

    Then Obama raped them.

    Hillary and McCain underestimated Obama - so too are Republicans now - GOOD!

    Healthcare for ALL - Most Substantial Wall Street Reforms since the Great Depression.

    This isn`t accidental. FDR would let his opponents ostracize him - IGNORE THEM - and they`d dig a deeper ditch, thinking he was weak, not being challenged on their absurd assertions.

    Its Rope-a-Dope. Its Ali vs. Foreman. Its Coyote vs. RoadRunne
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    goaliejerry Male 30-39
    4017 posts
    August 2, 2010 at 10:20 pm
    DaBigMachine - Enjoy the mandatory Health Insurance.

    Its been the BEST two years of Democratic Rule in my lifetime. Obama has accomplished practically every single major issue I`ve been concerned with in the past ten years -

    Draw down in Iraq
    Health Care for the poor
    Ending the ban on gays in the Military (and federal gay-prejudice in general)
    Reforming Wall Street to protect the average citizen
    Ending unaffordable Tax Cuts for the Rich

    I`ve said it before. We`ve accomplished SO MUCH, that I`m ok with the pendulum swinging back to the center. America is better off now.

    It will be amusing to see House Republicans finally have to say what they think the government should do - because I know their answer, its what they actually say in Public - a return to Bush Era policies.

    I bet it involves more tax cuts for the insanely wealthy, and something about bigotry, whether it be against Mexicans, Islam, Blacks, or Gays
  79. Profile photo of DaBigMachine
    DaBigMachine Male 30-39
    125 posts
    August 2, 2010 at 10:28 pm
    GoalieJerry, you post all those "accomplishments" as if those were good things. That`s why this Congress is AT 11%. Because they`ve ignored what the majority of Americans wanted. What little good they did do is outweighed with the MASSIVE spending and entitlement programs they tacked onto EVERY bill. We`re not going to enjoy our MANDATORY (or get fined by the IRS, or else) Health Care, because the system will be bankrupt. OR, we`ll ALL be taxed to death just to keep it going.

    This administration has businesses scared to death. They`re sitting on TRILLIONS of dollars that they`re not willing to invest or hire with because they don`t know how deep they`re going to get screwed next. He`s killing capitalism. You think the rich are going to pay more taxes? Really? They`ll just leave and take they`re money somewhere else or just shelter it through some other loophole. It`s the middle & poor classes that have to foot the bill...
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    5Cats Male 50-59
    32756 posts
    August 2, 2010 at 10:32 pm
    Cats, fixed your link for ya.
    Yaaa! Thanks davy! :)

    @moefreak Well, I don`t have to pretend to be unbiased! lolz! And now the MSM doesn`t even pretend anymore either! The polls are possibly one of the few places left where we can get `raw numbers` and figure out what they mean, rather than have some talking head tell us BUSH IS BAD! ITS ALL HIS FAULT over and over for years and years...

    GJ I thought you were going to bed!
    Ending the ban on gays in the Military Sorry GJ this was on TV the other night (PBS eh?) & also listed as a `fail` in that `Obama promises` link. He did NOT end DADT and has done nothing to change the military`s policies in that regard. idk what you`re on about, link?
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    DaBigMachine Male 30-39
    125 posts
    August 2, 2010 at 10:33 pm
    All increases in taxes trickle down to us, the little guys. Our food, electric bills, water, gas, entertainment, income taxes, property taxes, everything goes up. Businesses don`t take the hit on their bottom lines. They RAISE prices and pass it on to US, the consumer. Our money, will not go as far as it does now. Already businesses are adjusting for the increased cost of the forthcoming Health Care laws.
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    5Cats Male 50-59
    32756 posts
    August 2, 2010 at 10:40 pm
    vv Excellent point @DaBigMachine, GJ was blaming Bush for spending too much, but Obama has rung up MORE DEBT than Bush did in 8 years@! That`s counting the first `stimulus` eh?

    And many of Obama`s "projections" and based on a good economy, better than when Bush had things booming! Yeah, that 9.7% unemployment will vanish any second now... wait for it... keep waiting...

    ...try holding your breath, that might help...
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    DaBigMachine Male 30-39
    125 posts
    August 2, 2010 at 10:48 pm
    @5Cats: Yeah, Bush definitely wasn`t great (or even good), but I`d gladly take him back than have what we have now. Rather, I hope and pray that we actually get a leader in 2012 that will cut government and government spending. Return some power back to the states and stop BS Congressional tactics to pass laws against the will of the majority. GJ, wants to make everyone a racist, bigot or whatever other synonyms he can find for `hater`, that doesn`t want Progressives (like Obama & Pelosi) in power. Another, nifty detail about the current financial reform "victory" is that it didn`t reign in or even MENTION Fannie Mae and Freddie Mac. The BIGGEST contributors to the financial melt-down in the first place. These are the two companies to watch for future crisis. They should be broken-up and privatized for all of our future protection.
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    Dolomyte Male 18-29
    102 posts
    August 2, 2010 at 10:59 pm
    Oligarchy - the rule of a minority over a majority

    Anyway you slice it, dems or reps still represent a minority of people in comparison to the whole of people in the United States. So regardless of who is in power, dems or reps, it is still an oligarchy.

    Democrats or Republicans are not the answer.
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    5Cats Male 50-59
    32756 posts
    August 2, 2010 at 11:01 pm
    I thought Bush II did pretty good, until 2006 when he fell to pieces & signed the stimulus! He left a LOT of things "undone" which should have been within his (or the Rep party`s) power to DO. His deficit spending was high, but there were two wars on!
    Anyhow, thank heaven Kerry wasn`t elected! Can you imagine John Edwards as VP? Worse than "Sheriff Joe Biden" if such a thing is possible! Both make Dan Quale look like Lincoln!

    Anyhow, I`m hoping for:

    Palin/Rice in 2012! Yeah baby, one hot ticket!
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    Altaru Male 18-29
    3483 posts
    August 2, 2010 at 11:15 pm
    Can I just ask why we`ve let the world fall into the hands of Politicians?

    Everyone hates politicians. Most politicians are liars, cheats, thieves, etc. Many have NO IDEA what it`s like to be an ordinary person.

    So what do we do?

    We put them in charge of our lives...

    There`s something gone wrong in the process there...

    What happened to the days when this country was run by soldiers, founders, farmers, and people who actually had the best interests of the PEOPLE at heart, rather than the WALLETS? You know, commoners?

    Now it`s businessmen, lawyers, etc. The kind of people that no one likes, because they`re out to con you anyway they can. And it doesn`t change when they get into politics...

    Yet we trust the people we wouldn`t shake hands with if we didn`t have to, to run our lives...

    One more reason people are idiots...
  87. Profile photo of Altaru
    Altaru Male 18-29
    3483 posts
    August 2, 2010 at 11:17 pm
    Democrats or Republicans are not the answer.
    Could not agree more.
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    CrakrJak Male 40-49
    17514 posts
    August 3, 2010 at 12:43 am
    GJ: Then Obama raped them

    He`s screwed us all over and a lot of people regret voting for him. I`m not saying McCain was vastly better, But at least he wouldn`t have been worse than Carter was.

    But the topic is about Congress and there will be a vast swing. Obama will likely be busy vetoing everything the next 2 years, That will be his ultimate undoing.
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    npdarren Male 18-29
    602 posts
    August 3, 2010 at 12:54 am
    I think it`s time for a strong independent group to usurp one of the traditional parties, because this whole democrat v. republican thing is getting more stupid and annoying by the day.
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    npdarren Male 18-29
    602 posts
    August 3, 2010 at 12:57 am
    If only the world was run by philosophers and scientists, eh Altaru?
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    darthrex111 Male 13-17
    49 posts
    August 3, 2010 at 1:01 am
    wow i thought this was i am bored, not i am republican >.> as for the government. all jackasses like the rest off the world. all of them are in the goverment for their own selfish reasons. its pretty sick to think the world is run by dumbasses. except JKF. and bill clinton. Bill Clinton was a BAMF. i mean he was stupid, but pretty damn cool :D hmm...
    i agree with you npdarren :D
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    bliznik Male 30-39
    836 posts
    August 3, 2010 at 1:28 am
    Huh? How is this related to Obama? Isn`t he another branch of government altogether?
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    Baelzar Male 40-49
    1399 posts
    August 3, 2010 at 1:31 am
    NOVEMBER.
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    vitaliy Male 18-29
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    August 3, 2010 at 1:48 am
    "I think it`s time for a strong independent group to usurp one of the traditional parties, because this whole democrat v. republican thing is getting more stupid and annoying by the day."

    Agreed. VOTE FOR RON PAUL YALL! ;)
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    Altaru Male 18-29
    3483 posts
    August 3, 2010 at 1:57 am
    If only the world was run by philosophers and scientists, eh Altaru?
    Not even that. (Look to Bioshock as an example if you want to know why I think THAT`S a stupid idea. Unchecked progress = destruction)

    I`d rather have the WORKERS in public offices. You know, the people that would actually have to suffer through the results of their own mistakes.

    If that were the case, then maybe there`d be some motivation to get sh*t done right the first couple times instead of f*cking around until it reaches critical point...
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    Musuko42 Male 18-29
    2850 posts
    August 3, 2010 at 3:53 am
    How has this got anything to do with Obama? Even a Johnny Foreigner like me knows that the American government has three seperate branches, and the President and the Senate is in the Legislative branch, and the President is in the Executive branch.
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    celtickade Male 18-29
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    August 3, 2010 at 4:02 am
    Altaru, well said.
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    vorpalsword Male 18-29
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    August 3, 2010 at 4:41 am
    I remember saying that Obama is going to eventually have poor ratings and have his remaining supporters become close minded zealots. I was right, and I`m aware that the same thing happened to the last guy.
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    vorpalsword Male 18-29
    1452 posts
    August 3, 2010 at 4:41 am
    @5cats I`m glad you`re Canadian.
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    VikingGuy Male 18-29
    2160 posts
    August 3, 2010 at 4:48 am
    eh, if only 11% of your population agrees with your government branch, it might be a signal to step down and let the people give things a cold restart, espec since most of that 11% is prob government workers or people on its payroll who would be stupid to speak against it.
  101. Profile photo of EricWRN
    EricWRN Male 30-39
    590 posts
    August 3, 2010 at 5:38 am
    The government has gained control of our lives because that`s what the people have asked for. People want to decide what OTHER people should give their money to or put in their body or how to live or act or what to say. There`s BARELY even a two party system anymore, it`s either vote for a Progressive (D) or Neocon (R). They both want more money and more power and just have a slightly different philosophy of what to do with YOUR money and YOUR life. This country was founded on a very short list of rules for a reason. We are no longer governed by a Constitution.
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    pmarren Male 40-49
    4575 posts
    August 3, 2010 at 7:02 am
    It`s time for a good old fashioned revolt.
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    meepmaker Male 30-39
    6694 posts
    August 3, 2010 at 7:04 am
    Oh what ever.
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    Baalthazaq Male 18-29
    4548 posts
    August 3, 2010 at 7:30 am
    I said, and my comments are a matter of public record, that I didn`t want Obama voted in because he would bare the brunt of backlash for bad Bush policies.

    I knew that when they were talking about "Obama`s recession" before he was in power. I knew that when Karl Rove blamed Clinton, the DAY Bush left for all the economic failings of the last day.

    Not only do Republicans believe Bush had no impact on the economy, they seem to think Obama and Clinton had a couple of weeks overlap.


    How he`s actually performing however, from anyone who pays attention, is another matter altogether.
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    SephirothA83 Male 18-29
    955 posts
    August 3, 2010 at 7:56 am
    The sad part is that a majority of Republicans blissfully ignore the fact the economy was in the tank prior to Obama taking office and even before being elected. Frustrating the modern politics have been when people flat out ignore the facts of what went on during a Presidents` term.
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    DarthJay Male 30-39
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    August 3, 2010 at 8:10 am
    11% is kinda generous, isn`t it?
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    DarthJay Male 30-39
    339 posts
    August 3, 2010 at 8:12 am
    @SephirothA83

    The really sad part is the liberals blissfully igore that fact that the economy started going in the crapper about two years before Bush left office. Oh wait...that was when Democrats won control of Congress again. An inconvienient truth?
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    DarthJay Male 30-39
    339 posts
    August 3, 2010 at 8:14 am
    And seriously folks....we`re two years into Obama`s term. We`ve reached the statute of limitations on "it`s Bush`s fault."
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    Batmanners Male 18-29
    4006 posts
    August 3, 2010 at 8:29 am
    "What happened to the days when this country was run by soldiers, founders, farmers, and people who actually had the best interests of the PEOPLE at heart, rather than the WALLETS? You know, commoners? "

    George Washington - Slave Owner, born into money.
    Thomas Jefferson - Born into money, Father owned slaves.
    James Madison - Born into money, slave owners.

    Let`s fast forward...


    Ulysses S. Grant - Soldier.
    Rutherford B. Hayes - Lawyer.
    James Garfield - Priest...but then quit and became a lawyer.
    chester A. Arthur - Lawyer.

    Damn. FF>> some more.

    Harry Truman - Lawyer, Senator.
    Dwight Eisenhower - Military...ooh it`s looking good now.
    John Fitzgerald Kennedy - Money...damn it.

    Screw it.

    Reagan was an actor, Bush Sr. was born into money, Clinton was a lawyer, and Bush Jr. was born into money.

    Obama - Community Organizer, then Senator.

    These "times" of
  110. Profile photo of Batmanners
    Batmanners Male 18-29
    4006 posts
    August 3, 2010 at 8:30 am
    ...These "times" of yore you seek did not happen. Commoners are usually not suitable/able to reach the incredible reaches of U.S. Presidency.

    I chose the very eras in american history where great leaders were required, and more often than not, it was a bloody lawyer, or some douche born rich.
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    Batmanners Male 18-29
    4006 posts
    August 3, 2010 at 8:32 am
    To quote the greatest lawyer of our times:
    "LAWYERED!" -Marshall Eriksen.
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    wheresmyskul Male 40-49
    247 posts
    August 3, 2010 at 8:38 am
    Hey...I didn`t vote for the man!


    Now, let`s see how many people assume I voted for McGruber--I mean--McCain.
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    SephirothA83 Male 18-29
    955 posts
    August 3, 2010 at 8:45 am
    @DarthJay

    According to a lot of Republicans and probably you as well, it was never Bush` fault. I don`t think you understand that this problem wasn`t going to be fixed with one bill signed or over the course of a year or even a term. You all want a quick fix for the situation but you have to realize the Great Depression lasted for over 10 years for most countries. Ours didn`t fully rebound til near the end of the 30`s. You can blame it on Obama all you want, but I know McCain wouldn`t have done any better and we`d be saying the opposite of each other if he was elected anyways. It`s a sad state when you can`t even look back in the past to see where we`re headed and realize that this problem is bigger than what one person can fix no matter how much power you think they have.
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    dave32891 Male 18-29
    542 posts
    August 3, 2010 at 11:07 am
    @wheresmyskul
    if you didn`t vote for obama or mccain then you basically wasted your time and your vote
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    Buiadh Male 30-39
    6739 posts
    August 3, 2010 at 11:19 am
    At least he`s not a republican.
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    DarthJay Male 30-39
    339 posts
    August 3, 2010 at 11:30 am
    @SephirothA83

    Hey - never once did I say that Bush didn`t have any blame. My point is that instead of acknowleding the additional damage this administration and especially this Democratic controlled Congress is causing, liberals would rather blame all the current woes of the country on Bush. The fact of the matter is we haven`t even BEGUN to see the extra woes this administration has plunged us into.

    Buckle up.
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    Fatninja01 Male 30-39
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    August 3, 2010 at 11:52 am
    meh!
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    Cajun247 Male 18-29
    10731 posts
    August 3, 2010 at 12:17 pm
    @DarthJay

    Don`t blissfully ignore the fact that the Republicans approved the spending that took place the following year after they left.
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    Buiadh Male 30-39
    6739 posts
    August 3, 2010 at 12:33 pm
    Problem is, Americans haven`t had to cut back for many many years in the same way as the rest of the world has.

    All of a sudden they have a blip and start panicing.
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    EricWRN Male 30-39
    590 posts
    August 3, 2010 at 1:45 pm
    I HATE when people hear something negative about Obama and immediately say "well Bush did x!". Bush was not a conservative, he was barely a republican... he enacted two huge social spending programs, Medicare D and TARP. Just because you don`t blindly route for Team Obama doesn`t mean you blindly routed for Team Bush. Some people in this country think for themselves and don`t just follow one brand or the other just because of the label. Bush Jr was certainly responsible for the beginning of the recession but Obama really floored the gas pedal in a car headed towards a cliff.

    Two more points: Whomever was citing past presidents grossly generalized and misrepresented history and seemed to forgot that Obama came into money, is a lawyer, and spent more on his campaign than any politician ever. Second; that graph posted earlier was completely meaningless. It was a graph representing government spending, basically. Try posting a graph of our debt to GDP ratio or the unemp
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    Malakos Male 18-29
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    August 3, 2010 at 1:56 pm
    Good lord. I don`t think I`ve ever seen a tag as inflammatory as this one.
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    ggolbez Male 18-29
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    August 3, 2010 at 1:57 pm
    http://www.youtube.com/ watch?v=RtnE4C9Gv5U
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    WizardofCOR Male 40-49
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    August 3, 2010 at 2:15 pm
    I find it mildly amusing that some people want to blame the entire congress for not being able to pass legislation, when the party that has been inhibiting that progress has been made clear time and time again...
    Polls like this are inflammatory and useless, just like the right side of the political spectrum.
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    Dolomyte Male 18-29
    102 posts
    August 3, 2010 at 2:18 pm
    @SephirothA83

    You talk about how this recession compares to the great depression and in fact it is very similar because the same flawed system is at work.

    Let me explain what happened then and what happened now. First this recession was created over a period of about 10 years when banks started loaning more money than they had, and this is allowed in our Federal Reserve System of fractional reserves, for house mortgages. The more money loaned the more money the bank makes in interest and if the loan is defaulted then the bank still gets the property, which has tangible value, unlike a fiat currency. So either way the bank wins. After Glass-Stiegal act crumbled then home equity loans were on the market so even more mortgages were up for grabs. Then to loan out even more money, mortgage companies started inflating the value of homes.
    cont...
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    IamBored29 Male 18-29
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    August 3, 2010 at 2:19 pm
    CrakrJak=Conservative Troll
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    Dolomyte Male 18-29
    102 posts
    August 3, 2010 at 2:34 pm
    So when a mortgage defaulted, the bank lost the equity in which they justified ten other mortgages off of. The house of cards fell.

    Now lets look at the 1920`s and what lead up to the Great Depression.
    In the `20`s the Federal Reserve System and this fractional reserve system was brand spanking new. Money was available to the public in large quantities and the banks liked being able to loan money, problem is most people did not know what to do with this money, next came the scheme. Advertisements abounded, `invest in the stock market`, `get rich quick`, `your investing in America`. Banks were loaning money as if their was no tomorrow. Then one day a man came to the counter to collect his money he had with his bank, but the bank refused because the bank had no money. It was all loaned out. This created mass histaria and runs on banks, loans ceased and the stock market crashed.
    cont...
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    MrTwidget Male 30-39
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    August 3, 2010 at 2:36 pm
    Haha, polls.
  128. Profile photo of Dolomyte
    Dolomyte Male 18-29
    102 posts
    August 3, 2010 at 2:39 pm
    Both these recessions are a result of banks getting greedy and abusing a flawed system to collect interest on money they do not have. More regulation will subside this behavior for some time until some new loophole is discovered and we go through this boom-bust cycle again. The real change we need is to scrap the flawed system of allowing a bank to loan out more money than it has in holdings. That is why I am against the Federal Reserve System.
    Thank you for reading through my long boring posts.
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    Cajun247 Male 18-29
    10731 posts
    August 3, 2010 at 3:30 pm
    @Dolomyte

    So how do you propose getting rid of the Federal Reserve without causing another major economic catastrophe?
  130. Profile photo of Dolomyte
    Dolomyte Male 18-29
    102 posts
    August 3, 2010 at 4:18 pm
    @Cajun247

    Therein lies the problem. A financial catastrophe will occur regardless if things stay the same or if things change. Do you want to peel the band-aid off slowly or in one swift move? I feel it should get done now before more property and wealth is consolidated from the people of America. After all, the banks are doing better than ever because they never lost anything in this recession nor in any recession prior to this one. They still own all those foreclosed homes remember. If congress fulfilled their Constitutional obligation as stated in Article 1 section 8 to coin money and regulate the value thereof instead of delegating some bureaucracy to handle their responsibility then maybe their approval polls would be better than 11%.
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    CrakrJak Male 40-49
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    August 4, 2010 at 3:27 am





    Baal: Are you really being serious ? It`s obvious the US GDP is down and unemployment is near 10% (and unemployment is much higher than 10% in many states). My Source

    Looks like you got a graphic from Obama`s own website, But the reality doesn`t fit that graph.
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    CrakrJak Male 40-49
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    August 4, 2010 at 3:30 am
    IamBored29 = Liberal Tool
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    CrakrJak Male 40-49
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    August 4, 2010 at 3:48 am
    ggolbez: Keith Olbermann is the worst political hack ever given a show. His ratings are abysmal, He reports innuendo without checking facts, and is the biggest douchebag on tv. The man is utterly without shame and believes his degree from an agricultural school is from the prestigious `Cornell University`. He absolutely will not cover any liberals failure, To the point that when the Monica Lewinsky scandal broke he went home and hid in his bathtub. He`s been known as `Bathtub Boy` ever since.
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    Musuko42 Male 18-29
    2850 posts
    August 4, 2010 at 4:55 am
    @DarthJay

    "The really sad part is the liberals blissfully igore that fact that the economy started going in the crapper about two years before Bush left office. Oh wait...that was when Democrats won control of Congress again. An inconvienient truth?"

    A house burned down the other day. Curiously, the fire got really bad at around about the same time the firefighters showed up.

    I can only conclude that the firefighters caused the fire to get worse.

    (In case you`re thick and didn`t get it; ever consider that the Democrats got power because the economy went bad, not that the economy went bad because the Democrats got power? Or even that the two events aren`t causally related?)

    It`s a sure sign of an idiot that you think A MUST cause B, just because they happened at the same time.
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    wheresmyskul Male 40-49
    247 posts
    August 4, 2010 at 8:06 am
    @Dolomyte:

    Of all the comments on this post, you have presented the least emotion-and-politics-driven argument. Good job!

    I would hope that the rest of you folks on here can see what an unbiased and thoughtful contemplation looks like. Too many people are in the tank for their political party, blaming everything--EVERYTHING--on the other guys. But let me tell you: Neither party has more blame than the other. I just smile and nod when someone jumps up on their soapbox and tries to tear down the other party in order to make their party look better.

    Wake up, people!
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    SephirothA83 Male 18-29
    955 posts
    August 4, 2010 at 8:32 am
    @CrakrJak

    I don`t mean to point out the obvious, but both of those charts clearly show that the recession began prior to Obama taking office. In addition I went to that website and clicked on the Real GDP for the US(Quarterly) and it shows an awfully large jump from `08 to `09. Again, would this be possible with McCain or any other person to take office? Who knows, we just know what the result of our actions are and what information we have available to present.
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    sssfdg Male 18-29
    190 posts
    August 9, 2010 at 12:19 pm
    Wow just stunning ignorance from the poster... and the American public.....

    Am I the only one who noticed that the confidence in banks rose 1% during the economic decline.... wasn`t the decline caused by the banks?

    It`s this level of retarded logic that is bringing an end to the American empire.
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    sssfdg Male 18-29
    190 posts
    August 9, 2010 at 12:22 pm
    Sorry I just read a bit more... Politsite "Politics from the RIGHT side of the web".... I have never seen a journalisic site so blatently post their bias nature.

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