10 Crimes of Men on Death Row

Submitted by: madest 7 years ago in Misc
http://listverse.com/2010/08/01/10-crimes-of-men-on-death-row/

Quick concise summaries on 10 really bad people and what they did.
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Male 1,834
sick
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Male 25,417
silly
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Female 627
drated uppp
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Male 14,331
I always preferred the Punisher but they never made any good movies of him. Why let someone cost us loads of tax dollars who feels no remorse for the extremly sick things they`ve done when for .03 - .04 cents he could cease to exist.
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Female 275
My trump argument is Batman. Batman doesn`t kill criminals.

Why?

Compassion is the opposite of malice. Only in a world where good people refuse to sully their hands and their principles in order to pursue true good does evil die and wither.

Vengeance isn`t justice. Vengeance is what we do out of fear. That which we do out of fear hasn`t served us very well in the past, has it?

I find it disturbing that you folks are so willing to take a life. Yes, yes, maybe you think that life is worth less than the child`s who was murdered. And maybe so. But are you singularly the one to decide that? Are you so wise and morally pure that you can decide who lives and who dies?

Batman is an archetype of true good. If he won`t kill, maybe we should reconsider our own bloody thirst for vengeance.

Having been the victim of BRUTAL RAPE AND TORTURE and NOT being interested in the violent murder of monsters like he who abused me, then why do you? It won`t
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Male 14,331
A .22 bullet costs about .03 to .04 cents I`d be more than happy to eat that cost to put a bullet into the back of the skulls of these wastes of human flesh and save us a bunch of money in the process.
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Female 721
ingrateful: It`s because a lot of them are sadists or sociopaths, it`s common in serial killers and even though plenty on that list are for one-time incidents it still applies. They don`t care and they like giving pain and it gets them off. It`s a power thing, you already have control of when and how they`re going to die, why not dominate them by forcing sex onto them and humiliating them before death?

Issa: then you haven`t read about many. I`ve been reading about serial killers for almost a decade, none of this phases me.
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Male 7
“I guess my time is up. The game. Life is finally over. I can hear the screams from the trauma team as my body grows colder. Got the monkey off my back. Weight of the world off my shoulders. Angels whisper don’t worry.”

you creepy litt-

wait a sec...

"I guess my time is up. The game."

"The game."

FFFFFFFFUUUUUUUUUUUUUUUUUUUU
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Female 25
I agree with Altaru. I actually had a friend who was thinking about turning himself in because he had lost his job and at least that way he`d get, "three decent meals and a warm place to sleep"
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Male 143
Just imagine that those poor people being killed by those brutes are you, your parents, grandparents, and small siblings! Those motherfu*kers deserve to have their fu*king penis chopped off and shoved down their own throughts and then bashed over the head with a mother fu*king mace!!!!!!
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Male 415
all have rape in them. rape rape rape thats all they do.... then they kill the victims... same old s h i t
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Female 2,352
I usually find serial killers kind of fascinating to read about but these f*ckers are sick.
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Male 3,482
As far as I`m concerned, until prison becomes the punishment it`s supposed to be, I`m going to stay pro-Death.

And by that, I mean meals that consist of slop that, while healthy, tastes like sh*t, wooden boards on the floor for beds and pillows, NO interaction with the outside world, with the exception of those representing them in their case, constant manual labor, etc.

Oh, and life in prison actually means LIFE IN PRISON. Not however many years then a release for good behavior or the right amount of money.

As it is today, the prison system is hardly anything to fear, in all honesty. Sure, for the average, law-abiding citizen it`s terrible. But in the case of WAY to many people, it`s nothing but a vacation...

I wish I could speak in person. In all honesty, 1000 characters is nowhere NEAR enough to explain my thoughts...
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Male 1,596
what a jolly bunch
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Female 917
I say they take a bunch of these sadistic monsters, and they put them in a huge, glass enclosed arena. Put in the arena exactly what each individual used to kill their victim(s), and let them have fun. Then when there is only one monster let standing, bring in a new bunch. Wash, rinse, repeat.

I`m sure they`d enjoy that a lot of more than a priest and a last meal, and that way it`s only evil killing evil.
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Female 917
I love that society is adapting the view that someone, such as in case 2, "kill 11-25 men, children and women, rape, torture, beat over the head with spiked clubs, chain them down and SAW OFF THEIR LIMBS, and force their family members to watch" that they should be tickled to death as punishment, because anything else would be too harsh and inhumane for these people.

But, LORD! Tickling them to death would be too harsh for them also because the act of tickling to death causing breath restriction, which can cause the individual who can SAW OFF SOMEONE`S LIMBS, to panic and be upset in his last moments on earth :(

I say we all just give them a soft pillow, three meals a day, and the privileges they earn for good behavior, because really, if we do anything else to them, we`re just as bad. Even though those individuals are capable of tying cinder-blocks to someone`s ankles and throwing them in a river ALIVE, we can`t be mean to them because that would be wrong 0
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Female 188
Yes- I agree- we need a real life Dexter...
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Female 108
When legal fees reach 20 million and you have the as-shole on film because he recorded himself, just do us and the rest of the world a favor and kill him.
And what the he-ll ever happened to a eye for an eye. Really these people torture and kill men, women, children and the elderly, they show no remorse, why should we show them anything different. I will be happy to pull the trigger. Times like these I wish Dexter was a real person.
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Female 346
Number 2 is really really sick...
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Male 321
BRUTAL!
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Male 914
read some Foucault.
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Male 3,482
Well, still, clearly what we`ve got going now doesn`t stop or lessen crimes.

Not when we`ve got people like this. And on top of that, there`s gangs sprouting up more and more, domestic issues that grow out of proportion, serious drug issues, etc...

And it costs everyone a lot more than just taking their heads off...
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Male 12,365
[quote]I don`t want torture and suffering. I just want a society where people can be happy, and walk down the streets without worrying about walking in the door and finding their friends/family members/whatever missing, raped, murdered, etc.[/quote]

The death penalty doesn`t create such a society.

I`m an amateur historian interested in medieval English history, particularly early Norman England. In those days, execution was the standard penalty for pretty much anything more serious than petty theft. The execution point for theft was 12p, which was about a week`s wages for an average worker. Even taken to that extreme, it didn`t create a pleasant and happy society and it didn`t stop crime. The best that can be said about execution is that it stops that person offending again. On the other hand, it worsens crimes. Might as well be hung for a sheep as for a lamb.
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Male 3,482
[quote]Irish anime?[/quote]
Yeah, I know, lol.

Actually, the people who came up with the series thought that the word applied because it was an Irish word for "family."

And calling it "family" applies. It`s a beautiful series.
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Male 3,482
[quote]I can respect Altaru`s position. I don`t agree with it, but I can respect it. They`re not lusting after suffering.[/quote]
Thank you. I`m glad you see my point.

I don`t want torture and suffering. I just want a society where people can be happy, and walk down the streets without worrying about walking in the door and finding their friends/family members/whatever missing, raped, murdered, etc.

I`ve seen some pretty sick stuff. In person. And I just don`t want to see it again.
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Male 12,365
[quote]And I`ll have you know, my favorite anime is Clannad.[/quote]

Irish anime?
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Male 12,365
I can respect Altaru`s position. I don`t agree with it, but I can respect it. They`re not lusting after suffering.
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Male 3,482
And I also don`t think they should be killed based on circumstantial evidence. Once the evidence is clear and irrefutable, shoot them right outside the court room.

I don`t care if they`re insane, or whatever other political/judicial BS their lawyers can throw out, they`re dangerous, life-destroying psychos. Why should the people who`s lives they destroyed have to pay for them to live?
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Male 3,482
I don`t want them tortured. I want them GONE.

I want the danger eliminated. I don`t care about letting them die in the same way they killed their victims.

I want the guillotine, something that takes them out quick and easy.

I don`t want to let these people live an easy life in a cell where they don`t have to do anything for themselves, because they decided to destroy someone else`s life.

The live off the backs of the people who`s lives they destroyed by killing their loved ones. Where`s the justice in that?

In death, they`ll get their just desserts one way or another.

Most religions include a system of punishment, be it hell or being reincarnated as a rock, dog, or something else of that sort, and if there`s nothing, then guess what? They become nothing.
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Male 3,482
[quote]it does not cost zero. it cost millions of dollars becuase of the extreme appeal system.[/quote]
Why do you think I said "IF THEY ACTUALLY FOLLOW THROUGH."

Countless appeals in a case where the evidence is irrefutable is NOT "following through," in my definition. It`s letting some sicko waste valuable time and money to save his own worthless ass.

[quote]this is G-d`s power alone, and we shouldn`t make the sin any worse by repeating the sin.[/quote]
Yeah, well that imaginary bastard in the sky is the same f*cker who let the victim be the victim.

He`s also the psychopath that`s murdered millions of humans (if you believe the stories), just because they didn`t obey his every command and worship him every minute of their lives.

You think I`m gonna trust his judgement when it comes to how the criminal deserves to be punished?
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Female 31
"If by a lot you mean a few, then I guess. Otherwise, no.
So far it`s 5 out of 125 comments.
5 out of 35 pro-DP comments.

And Angilion is throwing my stats way off."

Okay, fair enough. But then do you agree with the rest of my post about the death sentence being impractical in reality?
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Male 4,680
@Angilion- I completely agree. Torturing criminals out of revenge isn`t for the good of the criminal, it`s for the pleasure of the torturer.

The idea of punishment is that it helps the criminal understand that his/her actions are unacceptable, and also to act as a deterrent to other would-be criminals.

Torturing a psychopath is not punishment. It`s fulfilling the torturer`s fantasies, and entertaining any observers. It might act as a deterrent for would-be criminals, but that isn`t its main intention (`revenge` for the victim). And in this day and age, we shouldn`t be getting pleasure through severely harming other people, no matter how evil they are.

We have to ignore our instincts sometimes. As much as we might want to rip out a serial killer`s eyeballs and make him eat them, we can`t do that then call ourselves civilized.

And of course there`s the slight problem of what happens if the tortured inmate turns out to be innocent...
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Male 12,365
[quote]And yes I do care if they are guilty WTF you`re stupid dude I can`t argue with you you just twist words to you`re looking. That statement means the court finds them guilty and somehow I just wish it would happen after they are sentenced guilty.[/quote]

More excuses to dress reality up with. You were arguing for vigilantes to go out torturing people to death for kicks. Any claim to care about guilt is a weak excuse under those circumstances.

There have been examples of the "vigilante justice" you refer to. Witch hunts in Europe and white supremicist lynch mobs in the USA are probably the two you`re most likely to have heard of, but there are others.
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Female 61
Prisons are essential
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Male 12,365
[quote]@angillion you twist my words to make me seem like I`m going to run through suburbia doing this. I`m only wishing this to happen to these criminal scum.[/quote]

I`ve been extremely clear and explained it in simple words several times. If you still don`t understand, I`m not sure what else I can do.

You want an excuse to indulge your fantasies of torturing people to death for your enjoyment. Some other people with the same fantasies have different excuses or are honest enough to forget about having an excuse.

The first killing is the hardest. If you did torture someone to death for your own pleasure and you did enjoy it, you probably wouldn`t need to dress it up with as much of an excuse next time. A few murders later and you might "run through suburbia doing this."

Or you might not. It`s irrelevant to my point and something you just made up and attributed to me.
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Male 333
@angillion you twist my words to make me seem like I`m going to run through suburbia doing this. I`m only wishing this to happen to these criminal scum. And yes I do care if they are guilty WTF you`re stupid dude I can`t argue with you you just twist words to you`re looking. That statement means the court finds them guilty and somehow I just wish it would happen after they are sentenced guilty. My wishes aren`t realistic, mor will they become true. You are not attending up for these people you`re just trying to be right on the Internet dude. My opinions and wishes are not wrong because they are merely opinions and wishes, far from reality. I`m done arguing with you it`s the Internet and I don`t care enough to pursue this anymore you`re just ridiculous old man. Have fun trolling!
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Male 6,694
Just kill them. Hang them. What ever. I dont care. They must be dead for their actions.
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Male 12,365
[quote]@angillion from a LEGAL standpoint meaning I wouldn`t want that torture to be a court ordered punishment, but instead vigilante justice.[/quote]

Ah, so you don`t even really pretend to care whether your victims are in fact guilty. Forget all this court crap, all we need is a target!

[quote]I`m not suggesting anything realistic it`s all merely my wishes[/quote]

And it`s your fantasies of torturing people to death for kicks that I am arguing against.

Not just yours - there are, sadly, plenty of people like you.
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Male 12,365
Cut off below 1000 as usual:

Some of them want a pretend excuse. Some of them are more honest.

Also, I expect that many of the wannabee torture killers for kicks would discard the excuse after the first killing.
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Male 12,365
[quote]@angillion, you are blind. I understand where you are coming from but now you`re just trolling.[/quote]

You contradict yourself.
You delight in torture and death.

You have no moral ground from which to make your false criticisms of me. You are unworthy.

"troll" does not mean "person I disagree with". Look it up. It`s hardly an obscure term with an uncertain definition. So I think you`re just lying again.

[quote]There IS a HUGE difference between these people and the people who want such grave punishment.[/quote]

They have the same mindset, the same fantasies that they want to act out, the same fervent delight in the suffering of others, the same desire to torture and kill *for their own pleasure.*

The important difference is that some of them have acted on their desires and some haven`t - it`s deeds that truly matter.

They`re not much different in their minds. Some of them want a preten
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Male 333
@angillion from a LEGAL standpoint meaning I wouldn`t want that torture to be a court ordered punishment, but instead vigilante justice. I`m not suggesting anything realistic it`s all merely my wishes and if it were to be done like I said it would be done by a vigilante. Well done angillion, I don`t have to insult you or anything you do it on your own
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Male 4,004
"Read what these people did. If you think they should not be humanely `euthanised` then please volunteer to have them live in YOUR house, OK Batmanners? "

I wasn`t saying that the Death Penalty didn`t apply to these people. I`m talking about the dozens of innocents that have been murdered by the justice system, and the dozens of people whom the "death penalty"failed to kill on the first try.

I`m for killing monsters, against setting a standard for who dies and who gets a life sentence.

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"@ batmanners - ever served in the armed forces "

Check my bio. I`m military. Doesn`t mean I am pro-killing. I am fully aware innocents have died at our hands. The difference is that they weren`t killed by a judicial system. I wouldn`t want to be at home, minding my own business and have the cops come in, take me in, get trialed and then be sentenced to death. It could happen to any of you.
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Male 12,365
MEZA: Well done, you managed to contradict yourself within the same post as well as between one post and the next.

When you wrote

[quote]I`m not saying that from a legal stand point that they should be tortured in all that[/quote]

you were lying. You were calling for "torture and all that" before and you continued to call for "torture and all that" in the next paragraph in that same post.
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Male 333
@angillion, you are blind. I understand where you are coming from but now you`re just trolling. There IS a HUGE difference between these people and the people who want such grave punishment. They did their crimes on the innocent but we are punishing tainted people. There is a huge difference from killing and raping a six year old and killing and castrating the man who killed and raped the six year old girl. They need to suffer for what they did, sometimes death just isn`t enough, but thanks for your opinion anyways troll!
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Male 12,365
[quote]"Anyone who enjoys the idea that much would want to do it themselves, or at least watch."

Not to compare dogs to serial killers because I don`t want to insult dogs, but if you`re willing to put your dog to sleep does that mean you`re willing to do it? Of course, in the case of a dog, you`re usually doing it for the dog`s good, but in the case of a murderer you`re doing it for society`s good. [/quote]

I see a difference between a quick killing because you see it as the course of least harm and a savage, sexually mutilating death by slow torture because you enjoy torturing people to death, especially with some sexual aspects.

People who advocate the former might not be willing to do it.

People who advocate the latter would want to do it themselves, or at least watch. How would they get their kicks otherwise?
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Female 2,509
"I personally would make them live for the rest of their lives. Have them constantly reminded of their crimes one way or the other."

The problem is that they don`t care so their suffering would be limited. BURN THEM, SLOWLY
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Male 12,365
[quote]Whichever Oath you pick, it is hypocritical for California. If they`re using the modern, the death penalty doesn`t break the oath. If they use the classical, then abortion is equally "impossible".[/quote]

You`re wrong on both counts.

The actual Hippocratic oath does not prohibit abortions. It prohibits one particular method (pessary), a method noted in those times for being risky. We can`t be sure of the intented meaning of the original author or authors (we don`t know who wrote it - it might or might not have been Hippocrates), but it`s a valid interpretation that they had a clinical objection to a method of abortion rather than a moral objection to abortion by any method.

The modern versions wrongly called the Hippocratic oath generally include a "do no harm" clause. Which would obviously rule out deliberately killing a person who would not otherwise die.
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Male 12,365
Baalthazaq:

I`ve just counted 9, not 5.

That`s 9 people who want to be like the men on this list and see nothing wrong in saying so publically, just in one smallish thread on one site.

That disturbs me.

10 now, with pixiechick81.
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Female 838
I personally feel that these people should be made to endure the pain and torture that they cause others to feel. Death is far to quick and easy... spending millions keeping these monsters well fed, safe and healthy is a joke!

Above all punishment should fit the crime!
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Male 4,546
"Look, from the sound of it, a lot of people on this site who want the death penalty want to couple it with tourture and a reenactment of the murder`s crimes, right?"

If by a lot you mean a few, then I guess. Otherwise, no.
So far it`s 5 out of 125 comments.
5 out of 35 pro-DP comments.

And Angilion is throwing my stats way off.
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Male 333
I`m not saying that from a legal stand point that they should be tortured in all that, I`m talking about vigilante justice not
lethal injection stuff. It`s not what I want the government to do, it`s what I would want to do. I`m not going to start a movement or anything to change that.

And for the child molesters and rapists that didn`t kill and are on death row don`t deserve to be segregated from general population in a sex offender cell block, they deserve to face their fellow man and suffer for what they did beyond losing their freedom for a few years. That stuff is simply unacceptable and cannot be tolerated under any circumstance. They are not equals they do not have rights, they are convicted felons and criminals who deserve no freedoms and no special treatment from any other criminal.
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Female 688
On another note, I do believe that the death penalty should be reserved for the truly deviant people. The people who came up with Hannah Montana, Reality TV and Every Toddler show or cartoon created within the last 10 years.
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Female 688
If you want REVENGE: Life in Prision

If you want DEATH: Death Penalty

For some people the death penalty is too easy an escape.

I personally would make them live for the rest of their lives. Have them constantly reminded of their crimes one way or the other.
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Female 688
This has been debated for many years. In general I`m in favor of the death penalty, but there is also a poetic justice about "Life in Prision"

A) Death Row = A Cell To Yourself
B) Life In Prision = You get a new friend for life

A) Death Row = Even if what you did was leaked to General Population you are safe (well safer) because you`re in your own private cell.
B) Life in Prision = If your crimes are leaked to General Population, (especially if it involves children) well sleep is not in your future. (because even general population prisioners don`t like it when you hurt children)

A) Death Row = Bachelor for the rest of your life
B) Life In Prision = You are bubba`s wife for the
rest of your life

A) Death Row = Steak for your last meal
B) Life In Prision = Getting staked to death before your meal.

It all boils down to this: General Population is far more dangerous than death row. They don`t get the perks that
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Female 31
Look, from the sound of it, a lot of people on this site who want the death penalty want to couple it with tourture and a reenactment of the murder`s crimes, right?

Well, unfortunately, this is never going to happen. No matter how much you plead and beg, the most your going to get is a lethal injection, and the only way you`re ever going to get your wish is if you do it yourself. And then you`ll be arrested and perhaps executed, but nevermind.

Even if we said the death penalty was good in theory, then I hope you realise that it isn`t in practice. Why?

Well, if it is only for the reason that innocent people can be killed, then why not? It is never right that an innocent person dies. Sure, you can say that others may have been saved by the death penalty system. But if you are willing to sacrifice even one person to implement this system, then, really, how can you have a sense of justice?
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Male 333
Murder: Law . the killing of another human being under conditions specifically covered in law.

That`s murder, killing is a different thing entirely. These people murder so what do we do? We kill them. A slap on the wrist and a chance of parole isn`t gonna prevent this from happening, capitol punishment is. I would gladly kill a serial child rapist/murderer of families. Scum that thinks they can get away with doing that is scum that deserves to burn right alongside Jeffrey dahmer. Killing them is totally appropriate but sometimes it just doesn`t seem like it`s enough. And I am better than those scum bags because I`m not spilling innocent blood, I`d just be taking out the trash.
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Male 2,121
Obviously I don`t know the details of the case, but the guy who was supposed to have dismembered his wife (number 10) doesn`t seem to have much against him. The article makes it sound like his wife was found brutally murdered, he had money problems and was having an affair so he got charged with the murder. This sort of thing scares me. What if he didn`t do it? What if he is executed and afterwards new evidence proves his innocence? What if your wife gets brutally murdered, you have money troubles (who doesn`t these days...), are having an affair and you can`t produce an alibi? Makes me glad I live in the UK, at least if I`m wrongfully imprisoned I have a long time for my innocence to be proven.
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Male 3,915
there is no god
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Male 1,360
and what sickoes come out of the US, not a sane society.
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Male 1,360
i`m still against death penalty, death would be to easy.
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Male 2,528
What`s the point of posting crap like this? Doesn`t the media realize just how many killers get their ideas from stuff just like this?
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Male 249
Baalthazaq i think i love you, i wish we had the death penalty in england still, the prison system is a joke here.
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Female 47
Aaaaand there goes my faith in humanity. Byyyye faith in humanity, it was nice knowing you.
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Male 833
i am totally for the death penalty. just saying.
Tho im also kinda for "an eye for an eye" kinda justice with some exceptions.
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Male 4,546
Let me put my third point another way.

I don`t go around punching people in the face, and people don`t punch me in the face. I like this system.
I can however, go into a boxing ring, and waive this right.

It would be idiotic of me, to get in a ring with a pro, then try to have him arrested for punching me. "You can`t just hit people in the face! It`s illegal!".

These people know that killing them would be grounds for having them killed. They know. They waive a right they originally had.

The only difference is, when I get into a ring with another boxer, that boxer is a ~175 to 200 pound volunteer, not some 6 year old girl I dragged from her home.

Now, am I saying the death penalty is an ideal solution? Maybe, maybe not.

Immoral? No.
Unfair? No.
Hypocritical? No.

It is logically sound reasoning on all those points.
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Male 4,546
1) Killing is not murder.

2) On the Hippocratic oath being hypocritical:
Original text: "I will not give a lethal drug to anyone if I am asked, nor will I advise such a plan; and similarly I will not give a woman a pessary to cause an abortion."

The Modern text omits this line.

Whichever Oath you pick, it is hypocritical for California. If they`re using the modern, the death penalty doesn`t break the oath. If they use the classical, then abortion is equally "impossible".

3) On the death penalty being hypocritical:
No government states that it is wrong to kill, only that it is wrong to murder.
An individual can kill for self protection.
A society can kill for self protection.

From the perspective of the murderer:
The murderer has right X granted by society.
The murderer disagrees with right X.
There is no moral dilemma with agreeing to his terms.
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Male 877
should they die for what theyve done?,probably yes...but owing to mounting evidence that innocent people have been wrongly convicted and murdered by the state is the only reason i cannot agree...
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Male 959
The point made about the Hippocratic oath is a salient one. The thing that sets most of the developed world apart from insane criminals such as these is our refusal to kill.
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Male 179
when i read things like this, it makes me want to give them the death penalty. i want them to die. but what i`ve got to remember is that it`s not my place to decide, or any other human`s place; this is G-d`s power alone, and we shouldn`t make the sin any worse by repeating the sin.

And at the same time, don`t you think it`s a sort of solace for these people to be put to death? Like they got out of it easily. What would you rather have, live your entire life in prison, or be spared?

Either way it`s awful to hear about stories such as this, with such evil people... it makes us really feel much more merciful to that guy who cut you off in traffic, or that kid who spraypainted your car. And you kind of realize that there are millions of people in the world who are decent, loving people for every person like this. At least that can give us some hope.
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Male 364
*solves
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Male 364
Death is too good for them. Solitary confinement until the day they die is the only thing that would ever approach within thousands of miles of justice.

Stick them in a brightly lit cell that never goes dark, 10 square foot, fed through a small hole in the wall with no windows or bars and no one to talk to.

Death soaves their problem for them.
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Male 1,263
Well, so much for sleeping.
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Male 970
read the list, still against death sentence.
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Male 363
Sometimes I say that the whole "capital punishment" thing is too harsh and should be abolished...but then I come across some stories that just make me say "I want him to ride the lightning." ...honestly though. This article made me feel hot inside my soul, as if I wished I could back in time and stop these f**king animals before they carried out anything. How dare they smile in court when their charges are being read? Every time they would smile or make some sort of f**king snarky comment I`d punch them right in their f**king face. To me they lost all freedom of speech. Every time they talked some bullpoo like "Hail satan" I would deliver such a blow to their skulls they would begin to bleed out their ears. I hate individuals like this. This article made me rage.
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Female 149
Saw this list on Listverse a week or two ago. Got traumatised, hard.
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Male 4,793
Wow. I sincerely think the whole `last meal` thing should be taken away. People that do such things to deserve death do not deserve a last meal. in fact they shouldn`t get any food for three or four days prior to execution. and their execution should be done roughly the same way they committed the crimes. That would be fair-ish.
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Female 798
"We`ve already studied enough to know where they come from for the most part, for one thing. " blah blah blah and all that jazz...

...so I`m guessing you`re a first year college student that believes they know everything about everything, huh Alteru. That`s ok, you`ll grow out of that soon enough.
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Male 154
and my comment isnt some stupid interwed guess, i know a defense lawyer who works death row.
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Male 154
altaru-

it does not cost zero. it cost millions of dollars becuase of the extreme appeal system. death row is a full employment plan for hundreds of state laywers (death row laywers are the best ones) and judges. you cant just go fkin kill someone cuz of some evidence, there is a system, and it is in place for a reason, so STFU.
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Male 1,357
effing rough as
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Female 654
thats why i dont believe in imprisioning people for having pot...its just a waste of space for people who actually belong in prison
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Male 3,482
@cagel

You know what the cost of imprisoning a death-row inmate would be if they actually followed through?

$0. Or close enough, considering that I supposed they do spend a little time incarcerated before the court date and execution... Then... I guess that last meal?

From there...

Let me think... How much would it cost to put them in a pine box and stick them in some un-marked grave...

Oh, about the amount it would cost for the pine box, which would be... What, $80 for the plywood?

A little more for the nails... And a few hundred bucks labor for the guys digging the holes and all that...

And, you know, the costs could be reduced a little more if they just threw the bodies in the incinerator. Save the box, and maybe even reduce the heating bill...
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Male 3,482
[quote]Altaru: Overreacting as always, I see.

Some people are just not violent by nature.
Others are. People like you, on the other hand,
bark a lot, but when push comes to shove..

Don`t kid yourself. And go back to watch some more of those violence-endorsing anime`s.[/quote]
When push came to shove TWICE in my 18 years, I stood up and beat some asses. That`s only counting the BIG things that happened. And I`ll do it again, if I have to.

Don`t kid yourself, you don`t know sh*t about me, and I`ve developed my opinions because I`ve dealt with more bullsh*t than you`ll ever see.

And I`ll have you know, my favorite anime is Clannad. Look that up, and pick your jaw up off floor, because that`ll be a smack in the face to your opinion of me.
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Male 3,755
"Anyone who enjoys the idea that much would want to do it themselves, or at least watch."

Not to compare dogs to serial killers because I don`t want to insult dogs, but if you`re willing to put your dog to sleep does that mean you`re willing to do it? Of course, in the case of a dog, you`re usually doing it for the dog`s good, but in the case of a murderer you`re doing it for society`s good.
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Male 3,482
[quote]Isn`t it better to figure out where they COME from?[/quote]
We`ve already studied enough to know where they come from for the most part, for one thing.

For another, we start that up, we`ll have to start regulating details like how people raise their children, which steps into a WHOLE NEW REALM of government bullsh*t.

If we followed your suggestion, we`d find out it started at home, blah blah blah, and from there the government would decide that "Oh, since these monsters are made at home, we have to make sure that the home life is regulated so another one isn`t made."

In other words, they step into our house and take control. From there, it becomes Brave New World. Everyone`s a clone, raised to be exactly what the government wants, etc...

And even then, it won`t work. These monsters come from as many backgrounds as there are criminals.
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Male 594
Altaru: Overreacting as always, I see.

Some people are just not violent by nature.
Others are. People like you, on the other hand,
bark a lot, but when push comes to shove..

Don`t kid yourself. And go back to watch some more of those violence-endorsing anime`s.

Ta ta! :]
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Female 275
*************
The cost of a system which imposes a maximum penalty of lifetime incarceration instead of the death penalty would be $11.5 million per year.
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Female 275
p.s:

Report of the California Commission on the Fair Administration of Justice (2008)

"The additional cost of confining an inmate to death row, as compared to the maximum security prisons where those sentenced to life without possibility of parole ordinarily serve their sentences, is $90,000 per year per inmate. With California`s current death row population of 670, that accounts for $63.3 million annually."

Using conservative rough projections, the Commission estimates the annual costs of the present (death penalty) system to be $137 million per year.

The cost of the present system with reforms recommended by the Commission to ensure a fair process would be $232.7 million per year.

The cost of a system in which the number of death-eligible crimes was significantly narrowed would be $130 million per year.

The cost of a system which imposes a maximum penalty of lifetime incarceration instead of the death penalty would be $1
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Female 275
Also, only about 1% of prisoners escape from prisons in the US.

These are all prisons. Maximum security prisons that house the worst of the worse are waaaaaay less than that.
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Female 34
I feel sick :(
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Female 275
You`re all great at twisting words around ineffectively and being insulting.

I was actually horribly brutalized as a small child beyond what I`m sure a lot of you would be able to endure and remain functional in society.

That man was never caught or brought to any kind of justice. Rather than wishing his eye put out or some other horrid nonsense I would rather he spend decades being studied and questioned in order to prevent someone just like him being created by society.

Just wiping out killers and rapists one at a time does not solve a problem. It`s like killing termites one at a time. Isn`t it better to figure out where they COME from?

Oh, but that takes work and isn`t immediately gratifying. Forgive me for thinking about actually legitimately fighting and perhaps solving the problem of rape, mutilation, and murder.
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Male 3,482
[quote]Anyone who enjoys the idea that much would want to do it themselves, or at least watch. [/quote]
Hell. Yes.

If I was EVER the victim of someone like this, you can bet I would PERSONALLY behead the son of a bitch. I`d come back from the GRAVE to do it, or I`d just do it in the court room. I`d make sure to take his ass to hell with me.

And here`s another way of thinking about this...

You see that case that has cost $20 million, despite IRREFUTABLE evidence in the form of videos SHOWING the guy committing the crimes?

Yeah... That $20 million could have gone towards humanitarian efforts. EVERY PENNY spent keeping these bastards alive, could have saved the life of an innocent child who`s starving to death because his home`s a hell-hole.

So all of you that support keeping these people alive... ARE MURDERERS. You`re the people making that child starve, to feed a murderer, or rapist, of both...

Thanks again.
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Male 3,482
[quote]Murder: The action or an act of killing. [/quote]
Stopped reading your worthless comment right there.

Murder is defined as the UNLAWFUL killing of another human being.

As in, without any good reason what-so-ever except your own satisfaction or stupidity.

How is it unlawful to protect society by getting rid of MASSIVE threats to the security of the entire populace?

Take the one guy that PROMISED that he would try his hardest to escape and kill as many people as possible before he died.

Are YOU gonna take responsibility when he does exactly that because soft-hearted bitches like you couldn`t man the f*ck up and neutralize the threat?

Because of people like you, we can`t kill them. So instead, we support them, give them a roof and three meals a day, and risk escape and future damage.

I`ll be sure to thank you personally if one of these guys ever gets to my family.
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Male 226
@ cagel
I didn`t realize that keeping someone locked up until they die didn`t constitue murder, but the death penalty did. You could even argue that being caged like an animal is less humane than the death penalty.
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Male 621
I felt queasy reading some of those.
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Male 1,011
annnd this is why they should die the day they are sentenced...in a similar manner of how the victims went.
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Female 5,222
omfg...
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Male 12,365
[quote]I will never understand what is going on in the minds of these people.[/quote]

I don`t either and I see that as a good thing.
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Male 3,755
On the other hand, Jeffrey Dahmer would have loved the death penalty in comparison to what happened to him.
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Male 3,755
Killing people who would otherwise spend the rest of their life in jail protects those in jail capable of being reformed into productive members of society.
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Male 3,755
That`s why I support the death penalty. For guys like these. Not that what should use it often and it`d be great to never use it, but it needs to be reserved for guys like this.
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Female 2,289
wow. my night has been f*cked.

I will never understand what is going on in the minds of these people.
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Male 40,300
[quote]Killing a guy already in prison forever isn`t protecting anybody.[/quote]
Prisoners escape, thay do it all the time.
When murderers escape they often murder some more. This has happened in Canada several times.
So killing them DOES protect society. Keeping them alive for decades serves no purpose at all. We will never learn the "reason" they did it. They`re con artists, they`ll string us along for their own amusement.
Or worse, they`ll ge paroled and run free amoung us...
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Female 275
Killing a guy already in prison forever isn`t protecting anybody. That is unless you count not trying to solve the problem at all protection.
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Male 12,365
Since you are by your own admission just trolling and insulting me, 5Cats, I`ll stop responding to you.

It`s a shame, because you are capable of better, but it`s your choice.
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Male 12,365
stewaa99:

Good argument! I don`t have a counter-argument off the top of my head.
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Male 40,300
[quote]I don`t care what their excuse is.[/quote]
AH HA! Caught you!
It`s not an "excuse" to execute a murderer! It`s "natural consiquences"!
Like I`ve said, they KNEW the possible punishment for their actions, BUT they chose to do them anyhow.
So society isn`t looking for an "excuse" WE are looking for justice. And protection. And revenge just a little bit. Mostly protection, eh?
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Female 275
Angilion makes great points about the sickness of wanting to excute and/or torture criminals. Such barbarity can only foster more barbarism.

It`s interesting to me how most of the people commenting on this who are in favor of grinding these guys into pulp are all very young.

It`s also interesting that people think spending your entire life in isolation in prison isn`t so bad. Seems like after 30 years in one room you`d want to die. If you`re going to be so hellbent on vengeance, doesn`t depriving a person of practically every freedom for several decades way more hardcore than allowing them to find out what happens to us when we die BEFORE we "good" people do?

Also, if we off them as fast as possible, we haven`t learned WHY they did what they did. We haven`t learned what made them. Perhaps with those several decades having them at our MERCY we should study them intensively in order to better understand how to prevent the building of monsters.
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Male 12,365
Since you`re just trolling and insulting me, 5cats, I`ll stop responding to you.

It`s a shame, because you are capable of better, but it`s your choice.
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Male 12,365
[quote]And then Angilion will act as his/her defense lawyer![/quote]

I would if there wasn`t anyone better able to do the job.

Cue all the raving psychos in this thread burbling about me defending them and probably fantasising about torturing me to death, as they enjoy that fantasy. Maybe they get off on it.

I`d be defending the principle of a fair criminal justice system, which requires a genuine defence in court of anyone, *anyone*, accused of a crime.
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Male 40,300
[quote]A consistent, explained argument is not trolling.[/quote]
Not buying it Angilion. You`re "playing Devil`s Advocate`" for reasons I don`t care to know. Your `arguments` are teen-age level and since I know you can do better, I wonder why you aren`t.
I AM trolling you however. It`s not trolling "per se" it`s really "bear baiting".
See I`ve picked you out (because I don`t like how you`re DA trolling) in order to highlight the falseness and weakness of your `arguements`. That`s `bear baiting` K?
You from England? You should know what that is...
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Male 12,365
[quote]The good of those who murder is of little value to me.[/quote]

Nor me. The good of society, on the other hand, is. A culture of vengeance is not good for society.

Also, the good of those who gain pleasure from people being sexually abused and tortured to death is of little value to me. I don`t care what their excuse is.

[quote]The good of the innocent is quite important. It completely outweighs that of the guilty.[/quote]

That`s why I think organising a society on the basis of vengeance is a bad idea.

That`s why I think the death penalty is a bad idea.

That`s why I think a lust for suffering and death is a bad idea.
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Male 40,300
[quote]It`s normal for humans to be interested by evil and horror. It`s only something to worry about if you find it appealing rather than shocking.[/quote]
Props to Angilion! It IS human nature to look at the horrors & grotesque. That`s how we learn to avoid them.
If you thought "eeew gross!" you`re normal.
If you thought "oooo! Cool!" you need help.
And if you thought "well I`d never get caught" then, um, stay far away from me!
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Male 76
"Human rights have to apply to all humans, no exceptions. The entire concept is useless otherwise."

This line of thought is the flaw in the argument against the death penalty. Isn`t locking someone up and taking away their freedom a violation of human rights? Surely you think a murderer should at least be imprisoned? And if you do then you do think that rights should be taken from the convicted.
If someone kidnaps another person against their will and holds them captive in a cell indefinetly aren`t we no better than them when we convict them of false imprisonment and lock them up?
One could argue the punishment is too harsh but it is absolutely foolish to believe a punishment shouldn`t be something that would be illegal without the authority of the justice system enforcing it.
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Male 12,365
[quote]Angilion you`re trolling, idk why though.[/quote]

You don`t know why because you`re wrong. A consistent, explained argument is not trolling. Just because you disagree with me doesn`t mean I`m trolling.

By your argument, I should (a) consider you a troll and (b) attack you in revenge.
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Female 4,376
Damn. Sick ass people in the world. I personally am not for the death penalty...but I can say that I won`t miss them when they are gone.
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Male 40,300
@EdiMesic YEah I`m sensitive like that too, but it`s important to know what kind of evil is really out there. It`s not just an "urban myth" you CAN come home and find your family chooped to pieces...
And then Angilion will act as his/her defense lawyer!
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Male 12,365
[quote]this is the first time I actually read through everything on one of these "top 10" type lists.
And the first time it was interesting enough to do so. I wonder what that makes me?[/quote]

It`s normal for humans to be interested by evil and horror. It`s only something to worry about if you find it appealing rather than shocking.
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Male 40,300
@Angilion, and when they escape from jail, or are paroled? And they kill again, like I`ve mentioned.
Will you go to the famalies of the dead and say "it`s wrong to harm the murderers! Your loved one died for the greater good!"
The good of those who murder is of little value to me.
The good of the innocent is quite important. It completely outweighs that of the guilty. Agree or no?
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Male 599
wow after number 8 i couldnt read any more...
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Male 12,365
[quote]Also, I think your argument is a joke angilion[/quote]

Well then obviously I should batter you for the insult. After all, revenge is a good thing, right?

Feel free to make a counter-argument explaining why sexually torturing people to death for your enjoyment is a good thing. I was arguing that is isn`t and you think that`s a joke, so I`m waiting to see your argument explaining why you think sexually torturing people to death for your own enjoyment is such a good thing that it`s a joke to say it isn`t.
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Male 2,440
#1 on the list (Joseph Edward Duncan III) without a doubt deserves to be immediately shot in the head. No waiting in jail, no torturing him, just shoot him and be done with it. In cases like his, the evidence against him is so incredibly overwhelming that I wouldn`t have an objections to him getting death.
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Male 594
[ W A R N I N G ]

Do -NOT- read this, if you are overly sensitive to these kinds of things. The list made my
stomach turn and my skin crawl. It takes the
still existing savagery of humanity and throws it
in your face, along with a reality check.

I can`t believe some of these people are still alive.
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Male 40,300
@oxyl you`re doing more than `trolling` bro. You`re just being a pr*ck.
Do try to stay `on topic` eh? Yapping about the armed forces of the world has VERY LITTLE to do with this posting. And a lot to do with your insecurities and failings.
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Male 12,365
[quote]@angillion it`s a fantasy dude, they just deserve the same "mercy" they showed their victims way to crush dreams old man.[/quote]

I *want* to crush dreams of sexually torturing people to death for pleasure.

Why the hell don`t you?
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Male 12,365
[quote]So if you came home one evening and found your loved ones brutally raped, murdered, and hacked to bits, you wouldn`t have any desire to exact revenge on those responsible?? I`m just curious what you think would be a fitting punishment.[/quote]

Yes, I would have a desire to exact revenge. I might well do it, too. However, I wouldn`t enjoy torturing them, because I am not like them. I might kill them, but I`d kill them quickly.

That doesn`t mean revenge is a good basis on which to run a society.

I think life in jail would be the least bad punishment available. Although I wouldn`t be sad if they were quickly killed.
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Male 40,300
These people should no longer be alive, period.
They knew the consiquences of their actions, but they did them anyhow. Death for them is the only answer.
Oh? Keep them in jail for life? NOT a good idea.
There are over 20 DEAD people in Canada ALONE from escaped or paroled 1st degree murderers since Canada revoked the death penalty (around 1970 I think). 20 humans who are dead for POLITICS!
Read what these people did. If you think they should not be humanely `euthanised` then please volunteer to have them live in YOUR house, OK Batmanners?
Angilion you`re trolling, idk why though.

ANd these 10 are just a sample. There`s hundreds & hundreds of really EVIL people out there. FFS there has to be something done to protect the innocent.
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Male 12,365
[quote]He`s saying that`s what they deserve (which they do) not that he wants to be the person to do it to them. It`s not right to twist people`s words.[/quote]

Rubbish. Anyone who enjoys the idea that much would want to do it themselves, or at least watch. Besides, is getting someone else to do it any better than doing it yourself?
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Male 914
@ batmanners - ever served in the armed forces i.e. where the murder of others is sanctioned, condoned, and indeed, in some instances, encouraged - regardless of their perceived "innocence?" We all tread on thin ice on this one - I see your point but not a logical solution. A racist judge??? wut???
I believe "we" call the accidental murder of an "innocent" person "collateral damage." Don`t fool yourself that the justice system is any different in their over/under sights as any other staid institution our society seems to hold so dear.
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Male 4,004
"alternative to the death penalty:
gather them all up, ship them to a deserted island in the middle of nowhere and arm them."

I C WUT U DID THAR!
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Male 4,004
And to everyone being pro-death-penalty. If you`re willing to kill someone and not expect to go to prison, then you`re welcome to have the penalty, but approving of the penalty makes you a murderer.

Watch the Penn and Teller Bullshoot episode "Death Penalty" they actually cover the points I would make against it very well.

Note: For extreme cases with undeniable evidence, I don`t disapprove of the death penalty, but for double homicide with sketchy evidence and a racist judge, I have to draw the line somewhere, and it`s on the no death penalty side. I`d rather not kill than accidentally kill an innocent person.
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Male 4,004
I quote, from #4 verbatim:

"“I guess my time is up. The game. Life is finally over."

Seriously... This dude`s life is over, and his goal is to make us all lose?
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Male 222
alternative to the death penalty:
gather them all up, ship them to a deserted island in the middle of nowhere and arm them.
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Male 914
keeping them alive wastes space and is a drain on "the system". most eat well and better treated by that "system" than many good people i know. Although capital punishment isn`t implemented in Canada, and I believe rightly so, I must say that I ( a bleeding heart, believe it or not!) draw the line at sadism, molestation and murder. They all deserve to die in my humble opinion. Not in ten or twenty years, as they languish in prison and concoct new "defenses", but immediately upon conviction. Shoot them, hang them, cut their damn heads off, I don`t care. They obviously care little for the life of others - or of themselves. I`m aware of the countless arguments that can, and probably will, be used against my reasoning; this line of reasoning is intrinsically against my own grain, but after long and serious thought over the matter ( and not because of this post ) I have come to realize that this is what I believe, come what may.
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Male 560
this is the first time I actually read through everything on one of these "top 10" type lists.
And the first time it was interesting enough to do so. I wonder what that makes me?
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Male 4,004
Damn it, I didn`t think this article would all be a set-up for such a lame trap....damn it.

You should all re-read #4

Then and only then will you realize the entire thing trolls you to make you lose.
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Male 151
I`m sure they just need a good dose of puppy and kitten and all will be fine.
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Male 436
"Bring back hard labour and actual life sentencing. No one has the right to kill another no matter what. However we can make their remaining days full of suffering , hardship and devoid of personal freedoms. Not torture , but boring, restricted, filled with hard work"

This doesn`t work either... you can`t force people to do labor if there are zero consequences for simply not doing the work. What can you possibly do to them that doesn`t fall under the "torture" category.
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Male 25,417
they should make it these people suffer the way the victims did,
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Male 440
Bring back hard labour and actual life sentencing. No one has the right to kill another no matter what. However we can make their remaining days full of suffering , hardship and devoid of personal freedoms. Not torture , but boring, restricted, filled with hard work and lacking fun or entertainment other than the minimum needed to keep them sane.

Sorry for the rant. It`s what I believe.
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Male 136
I don`t see what is wrong with killing these people for their crimes honestly. Also, I think your argument is a joke angilion, in particular this portion of it:

"You`re just after a different excuse than they used. Whoopy-do. In some ways, that just makes them more honest than you - they admitted they did it just because they liked doing it."
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Male 333
@angillion it`s a fantasy dude, they just deserve the same "mercy" they showed their victims way to crush dreams old man.
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Male 212
Is there such a thing as a "Torture TO death penalty"?
Suffice it to say that these sickos more than earned their place in Hell.
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Male 9
I`m with Gerry. The guillotine was humane and you don`t need a doctor. Off with their heads!

Personaly I would just set them on fire and leave.
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Female 901
Angilion - obvious troll is obvious.
These are only 10 cases, out of hundreds of thousands, and many who haven`t been captured.
I don`t think these f*cks should be tourtured as they did, they`d probably just enjoy it. And I don`t think they should die, because we shouldn`t kill people to show that killing is wrong. Hypocritical much?
But these people are cruel. It`s depressing there`s people like this out there.
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Male 39,552
bring back the gillatine and you don`t need a doctor anymore.
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Male 436
@Angilion & Rainbowfarts

So if you came home one evening and found your loved ones brutally raped, murdered, and hacked to bits, you wouldn`t have any desire to exact revenge on those responsible?? I`m just curious what you think would be a fitting punishment.
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Female 798
"So you want to torture people to death and sexually mutilate them, just like the worst of these people.

You`re just after a different excuse than they used. Whoopy-do. In some ways, that just makes them more honest than you - they admitted they did it just because they liked doing it."

Although revenge always seems like the best idea, it makes you no better than the offender. I like your style Angilion
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Male 239
@Cagel

Murder is the unlawful act of killing someone. If you killed someone attacking you it`s not murder.
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Male 239
" `Sick fking pedophile rapist scum they deserve the most brutal form of torture and castration before actually being killed. Worthless human waste.`


So you want to torture people to death and sexually mutilate them, just like the worst of these people.

You`re just after a different excuse than they used. Whoopy-do. In some ways, that just makes them more honest than you - they admitted they did it just because they liked doing it."

He`s saying that`s what they deserve (which they do) not that he wants to be the person to do it to them. It`s not right to twist people`s words.
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Male 1,116
I`m against the death penalty, but things like this almost change my mind.
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Male 3,894
@AirLeet

...what possible problem could you have with doctors? What terrible people, saving lives and all. The dirty bastards.
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Male 12,365
[quote]Sick fking pedophile rapist scum they deserve the most brutal form of torture and castration before actually being killed. Worthless human waste. [/quote]

So you want to torture people to death and sexually mutilate them, just like the worst of these people.

You`re just after a different excuse than they used. Whoopy-do. In some ways, that just makes them more honest than you - they admitted they did it just because they liked doing it.
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Male 12,365
[quote]Sick, sad world.[/quote]

10 people are not the world.
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Male 12,365
[quote]10 very good cases that some people don`t deserve human rights.[/quote]

The argument of every tyrant other than those who believed that nobody should have any rights.

Human rights have to apply to all humans, no exceptions. The entire concept is useless otherwise.
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Male 12,365
[quote]Hippocratic Oath?

More like Hypocritical Oath...[/quote]

You regard it as hypocritical to swear an oath and stick to it. Despite the fact that doing so is the opposite of what "hypocritical" means.

You`re wrong. Simple as that.
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Female 275
Murder: The action or an act of killing.

How is the death penalty not murder?

How does murdering a murderer teach him any kind of lesson or stop other people from murdering? It is regularly proven to not be a deterrent.

It`s ok to lust for blood if the blood for which you lust belongs to somebody who gave in to their blood lust?
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Male 226
Why is the death penalty inhumane again?
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Male 931
10 very good cases that some people don`t deserve human rights.
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Female 2,120
Ugh, this is truly disgusting.
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Male 82
Hippocratic Oath?

More like Hypocritical Oath...

Anyway, I agree with BeachBum`s comment, those f*cking no-good-for-words criminals.
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Female 74
Just horrible. I got to number 4 and stopped reading after.
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Male 29
The death penalty is tooooo nice for these sick f***s
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Male 4,807
We need more Dexter Morgans in this world.
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Male 105
This was such a horrible downer, I actually found the spambot in this thread to be an uplifting distraction.
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Female 275
The death penalty depresses me as much as what these monsters did.
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Male 639
Well... That was depressing. :(
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Male 3,058
Sick, sad world.
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Male 28
Those are some sick bastards.
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Female 285
they should get the people who write the saw and hostel movies to develop the punishment for these disgusting pigs.
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Male 436
So wait... there is no capital punishment in California because the Hippocratic Oath? I thought that was non-legal binding and was more of a moral standard than an actual rule. Seems strange that there aren`t any "medical professionals" out there willing to do this.
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Male 333
Sick fking pedophile rapist scum they deserve the most brutal form of torture and castration before actually being killed. Worthless human waste.
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Female 3,001
i just watched the film Sybil and then read this
i may have just developed depression and lost all faith in humanity.

or maybe ill just start smoking again...and watch some family guy.
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Male 7,378
Link: 10 Crimes of Men on Death Row [Rate Link] - Quick concise summaries on 10 really bad people and what they did.
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