The Really F`ed Up Wages Of War [Pic]

Submitted by: Sleepygean 7 years ago in

Dude, this war really needs to end.
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Male 51
rah
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Male 812
They all know what they`re in for when they enlist. Oh wait, no they don`t lol.
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Female 35
lol @ that guy`s face on the far left.
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Male 602
Sounds like someone gets picked on by some kids in his high school who decided to join the military.

That is..unless you have spent your less than 20 years on earth doing a case study of all enlistees.

What a great advertisement too "All you meatheads, come kill Muslims for a few years while protecting the life and liberty of...all the other Muslims in the nations you are trying to stabilize."

They may not be fighting for your life or your liberty, but they are fighting for their lives and the liberty of those they are asked to protect.

Next point, if you consider all soldiers to be the scum of the earth, your lack of respect gives them every right to be "non-nice individuals" to you.
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Female 193
Lol the guy in the way left. c:
-insert long argument here about something-
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Male 328
i live in virginia beach, norfolk is like 5 minutes away. ive seen enough navy members and marines to last me a lifetime

and also i missed the part where i was trying to be tough..?

and the nice thing about the internet is you CAN say whatever you want; im not hiding any more than you are "tough" guy
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Female 66
You know most Marines act like non nice individuals because that is how they are trained to act. I have meet more Marines than you cndman15 I am sure. Unless of course you have been on a Marine base.
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Male 8
A) You don`t make fun of them since they put their lives on the line for you and actually have a bit of bravery instead of all these tough ass wannabes on the internet hiding behind an IP address and a keyboard.

B) So you maybe know what 1 or 2 Marines and you think you can generalize everyone there. Thats like saying all 13-17 yr old males living in the Eastern US are idiots with no educations that speak out of their ass about things they have no idea about.


why are soldiers the only thing that cant be made fun of? soldiers (especially marines) almost completely consist of of non-nice individuals and idiots.
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Male 328
back in the day where people were actually fighting for life and liberty they were heros.. now all the meatheads in high school are joining the military because "they get all these kickass benefits and money and stuff for shooting muslims for a few years"
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Male 328
why are soldiers the only thing that cant be made fun of? soldiers (especially marines) almost completely consist of of non-nice individuals and idiots.
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Male 40
war...war never changes as told by Morgan Freeman
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Male 1,193
If being human makes you a bad person
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Male 2,148
I noticed her side-boob action going on before I did his claws. Does this make me a bad person?
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Male 106
@ZNaught I believe a clarification is in order... you`re from the US, but you can`t wait until the war is on US Soil?
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Male 160
it`s Claw =D
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Female 85
he had just asked her to marry him.
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Male 351
Yea, I want it to end too. I just can`t wait any longer for this to happen to Americans in their own country!
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Male 450
defiythelie is a troll i move he be barred
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Male 450
@defiythelie im saving u a special seat on my bus to hell
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Male 7
"The guy was stupid enough to go into the military, and he got what he deserved."

Hey defiythelie. Please tell me you are not from America. Over here, "we" military people are looked up to. We`re heros. Just because you were too much of a pussy to enlist doesn`t mean that our soldiers are stupid for enlisting. And nice photo too dik.
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Male 83
defiythelie- how ignorant can you be? i mean what the drat dude. If your amazing america had no military you`d be drated right now if you didn`t realize, the military fight for your freedom you selfish prick not because its fun to shoot people and get shot at. I really hate people like you.
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Male 269
I cant believe you guys were a few hundred votes away from having Al Gore for president. This "war" probably never would have happened and all those much needed trillions(?) of dollars would have been saved
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Female 1,893
oo man how is he ever going to masturbate?
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Male 230
The guy was stupid enough to go into the military, and he got what he deserved.
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Male 126
That`s what happens when you dedicate your career to killing other human beings. He is lucky he only lost his hands and not his life.
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Male 141
Holy comments, batman!
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Male 75
Great for the bbq!
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Male 794
you know he is going to be BENDER this halloween
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Male 21
Built in Nipple Pincers!
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Male 134
"Nuuu :( How will he finger her diddle? =( Sad reunion is sad. "

omg how could you say something like that this poor man has no HANDS.. sides he`s probably got some crazy dildo attachments or something
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Male 30
Thank you for the link Davisboy.
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Female 3,696
Nuuu :( How will he finger her diddle? =( Sad reunion is sad.
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Male 1,184
Y2K09, if you want to prove yourself to me, you have to prove to me that you can actually UNDERSTAND what I type. You still haven`t done that.

rakoon, perhaps if people weren`t so idiotic, I wouldn`t call them idiots. Ever think of that, idiot? Not everyone is stupid. Everyone I call stupid is stupid.
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Male 587
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Female 1,593
This made me sad :(
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Male 2,850
@uhmerikin

Whoops! Sorry about that. Seems like my browser had a tantrum.
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Male 316
@Y2K09
STFU moron. Grow a spine.
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Male 4
Y2K09...

Figure what, this is internet bright boy... if you get concerned over just someone calling you stupid...ON INTERNET, then yes you are stupid.
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Male 190
no hands for those glorious tits.
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Male 876
Hey Musuko42... I didn`t get what you said to davisboy - would you post it A FOURTH TIME, please?
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Female 32
Paddy, that guy in the picture of your jacket has really abnormally colored hands...especially compared to the color of his face.

And to Siyanor if you read this: No, it`s not community college, thank you. And I graduated with the 2nd highest GPA in my class, and the difference between the two was .02 points. I also had the highest ACT score out of anyone in my class and two previous classes. So, no, I`m not stupid.

I`m not trying to brag, trust me. I never tell anyone my scores and stuff. I just felt like I had to prove myself to you. Getting called stupid is really annoying to me, especially by jerks like you.
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Male 2,850
@davisboy

Incidentally, we have no idea what this man`s personal feelings are. He might have no problem with piratey jokes. And he might be seriously sick of everyone being "considerate" around him.

You do hear that people with disabilities do get sick of the sympathy, after all. They usually just want to get on with life; and life includes the humour and jokes.

So without knowing his personal feelings, we might as well just not worry about them; to us he`s just a photograph, and if we find something funny in it; well, that`s life.

PS: Arrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrr!
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Male 2,850
@davisboy

I respect your reply. You didn`t get confrontational. Kudos.

Crude comments are part of life, and they help a lot of people deal with life. You could get seriously depressed if you couldn`t find fun in even the most sombre of occasions.

It may not be your way of doing things, and that`s fine. But you shouldn`t tell others not to make crude jokes any more than they should tell you not to be so serious.

He has my respect, but no more than the builder who falls from his scaffold and breaks his spine, or the farmer who catches his hand in a thresher. His occupational hazard is no more noble for being due to a battlefield, rather than an industrial accident.

Further, to demand such respect as you do cheapens the entire idea of respect. It`s meaningless if it`s coerced.

You can require politeness and civility, if you command the venue (which you don`t; we don`t own this site), but not respect.
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Male 99
Oh my god how is he supposed to feel her boobs?

WHY ARE WE FIGHTING THIS WAR WHEN WE CANT EVEN FEEL WOMEN UP
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Male 33
ACE!..... Go to your room and when you grow up you can come back out. WE DON`T MAKE JOKES ABOUT AMERICAN HEROES!
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Male 699
why is he playing pirate still? his wife is there!
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Female 75
That`s sad :(
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Female 238
I don`t think this was meant to be funny. It`s not really funny anyway. It`s just sad... :`(
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Male 2,737
Amen.
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Female 149
:`(
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Male 6,693
Now thats love.
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Male 1,287
my work here is done
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Male 55
If it`s funny it`s funny, regardless of content; no subject is taboo in comedy.

Having said that, this post isn`t funny for completely different reasons, there`s no punchline here that I can see.
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Male 587
Musuko42: I`m sorry that I do not find dismemberment funny. To be honest, if this were a picture of a regular guy who lost his hands in an accident I would feel the same way. However, you are right I may not have made a comment condemning the jokes and crude comments towards a regular Joe. And from now on I will think twice before I view content of this nature.

But the crude comments on this particular post really pissed me off. I have an army friend who is in about the same condition as this guy, thanks to an IED. This man deserves your respect, and if you live in the US you need to respect this man. A man who is willing to put his life on the line to keep us safe.
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Male 2,850
@davisboy

Why does the touchy-feely "don`t dare offend" mentality only seem to come out when shown soldiers?

If this were just a regular guy who lost his hands in a tragic accident at a factory, would you be as concerned about joking around? Be honest now.
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Male 587
Common guys, occasionally a post comes around where the jokes and crude comments are just inappropriate. And you need to appreciate and be thankful for what is going here.

If you wouldn`t say it to this guys face it should not be said.

And Mods if you agree with me I think you should go through and delete some of these comments.
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Male 214
[PirateAccent]THAR SHE BLOWS! Thats me matey, Edward ClawHands.[/PirateAccent]
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Male 384
"As far as I recall, it was the yanks who voted for Bush, and Bush who decided to go to war on your behalf. So really, you`ve only got yourselves to blame, haven`t you? Or have you all decided to wash your hands of the whole situation? Why don`t you make your minds up and let us know one way or another."

Right. cause, as we all know, G.W. told us all he would entrench us in a unwinable war BEFORE we didn`t really elect him(yes, i still say he stole the florida vote).....

so , yeah, we, the american people, are totally responsible for this war, and your statment shows you to be a real genius.[insert sarcasm here]

in case you dont know, a large majority of us here never wanted ANY kind of war.... it`s just , much like were you live, citizens dont make these choices, politicians do.
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Male 5,189
War`s stupid but I give my fair share of respect to those who defend us and such.

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Male 2,850
Though I have sympathy for anyone who`s injured or killed whilst doing their job, I must point out that none of the soldiers on our side of this conflict are conscripts.

Of the millions who were killed or injured in the Second World War (and others), many of them were conscripts, given no choice and forced to fight. In my opinion, their tragedy is far greater than those today who are killed and injured after willingly signing up to that risk, under no coercion or risk of punishment if they refuse, fully aware and accepting of the risks that come with their choice. When making any kind of comparison between those wars and our current wars, it`s worth keeping that in mind.

So while it may be perfectly accepting to call these soldiers heroes in this war, I think it`s a stretch to call them victims.

Of course, that statement is still entirely correct; this does need to stop.
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Male 2
As far as I recall, it was the yanks who voted for Bush, and Bush who decided to go to war on your behalf. So really, you`ve only got yourselves to blame, haven`t you? Or have you all decided to wash your hands of the whole situation? Why don`t you make your minds up and let us know one way or another.
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Female 491
Needs to stop. Off topic: paddyt07, that website was really cool, just bought a dress. Thanks!
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Male 159
66stang, i think it`s just people are put back together now due to medical advancement, people that would have died. I`m sure more people had legs and arms blown off in WW1 and 2 that would have survived today. They were just momentary amputees as they died.

But yeah, the news only prints deaths, lots of horrible injuries.

My great grandad had his leg blown off in a trench in WW1 by a grenade, took 1 day to find him and he survived as an amputee. Hard as nails.
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Male 561
@66stang I hope you don`t believe everything you see on TV. Oh, and would you rather lose a limb or be disfigured, or die and lose everything and have your family and freinds suffer that loss?
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Male 154
wanna know something effed up? fox news still calls it a "conflict". saw it on their website on saturday.
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Male 1,067
I have a jacket similar to that! It`s this one!
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Male 1,815
"Me father was a tree"
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Female 245
This makes me sad.
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Male 341
HA!

no more finger banging for her
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Male 225
there was a thing on hbo, or showtime I can`t remember which, that said even thought the number of casualties is super low, the number of amputations and disfigurements is greater than any other war in the history of man kind.
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Male 312
Buster? Is that you?
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Male 25,416
wow!
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Male 605
TBH, its a war. Injuries happen.
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Male 425
She has really big boobs
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Female 30
What happens if he has an itch?
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Female 654
why does everyone have to be underneath you. everytime i see your name you are always putting someone down and your intelligence is always superior to everyone elses.
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Male 1,184
/me assumes Y2K09 got a full ride to a community college for her grades of over 2.75 GPA
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Female 307
@Batdyke

YES.
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Female 32
Well this argument is getting way out of stupid brain`s tiny capacity (actually I just need to go to bed). I`ll just go be stupid somewhere else...like that college that I`m getting paid for because of my grades. Have a nice life all knowing one. I hope up get to kill yourself like you want too soon. Seriously, you`d do humanity a favor.
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Male 1,184
Well, these beliefs generally exist only in religious people. I suppose it`s possible that spirituality is a diathesis for some forms of psychosis. But that would still mean religiosity can be maladaptive... wouldn`t make it abnormal, though.
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Female 149
@Happy Panda`s:
For hand-to-claw combat situations.
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Female 307
@Siyanor
So.. basically, what you`re saying is religious
`nutjobs` are so blinded and most likely have a mental disorder?
I don`t think it`s fair to say religion as a whole.. but it might be. Moderately (or less) religious people tend to accept logic and things proven by science.. well, some do.
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Male 1,184
Nope, you`re just failing to comprehend them. They fit my first point exactly.

BTW, it`s not impossible to have points that are not main points. My first comments fit a main point, though.
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Male 1,184
Why? Because devout religiosity fits the description. A mental disorder is defined as a psychological condition which is 1) abnormal 2) disturbing and 3) maladaptive. Most people are not devoutly religious. Pretty much everyone is disturbed by religious nutcases, including believers. Religious nutcases tend to believe things that have been proven wrong by physics, biology, and chemistry, including things not related to their religion.
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Female 32
Ok so your first posts on here had no point? Whatever, dude. You`re just making stuff up now.
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Female 307
Siyanor, just wondering..
Why do you think religion is a mental disorder?
Not agreeing or disagreeing, just wondering.
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Male 1,184
Yep, you are wrong.

My two main points are the following:

1) I would rather die for what I believe in than live supporting something I don`t believe in.

2) Religion is a mental disorder.
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Female 307
Why do his.. hand-things have to be so pointy-looking? Just wondering, really.
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Female 32
No matter what I say, it`s going to be wrong, but I`ll give it a shot.

First of all, you said soldiers get not tears from you. After that, you said not enough soldiers die, and the only ones you somewhat care for are the drafted ones.

So all in all, you are one piece of crap American. You should be thanking the soldiers who got you the freedom to speak the way you do.

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Female 654
judging by all the happy lil` grins, im going to say this isnt a f`d up situation.

thats dr claw and his girlfriend at a summit meeting. missing is his cat (madcat) who sadly died of feline lukemia.
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Female 307
Wowwww my bad.
Sorry.
I didn`t read. Which is stupid, pretty sure you agree on that.
Eh oh well. still, though, I`m kinda sticking to what i said.
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Male 1,184
Happy, if you seriously think I was talking to you, you need get your head examined.
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Male 1,184
Well, yes, obviously I`m going to think you`re retarded if you jokingly say one of the stupidest things I`ve ever heard. You don`t need to sound like a moron to tell a joke.

Anyway, since you understood me sooo well, please, summarize my two main points in one sentence each. And I`ll watch how horribly you fail.
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Female 307
Firstly..
they`re called quotation marks for a reason. God forbid I mistake your sarcasm, which was put in quotation marks to emphasize sarcasm ( ??? ), for quoting my post.. In a reply addressed to me. So please excuse me for being a little fuzzy on that aspect. Didn`t know quotation marks were being used for sarcasm now.

Siyanor, I don`t care if you think I have a point or not.. seriously.
It`s my opinion, just like most of the other posts on this site.
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Male 3,482
Oh, and here`s to the hope that the rest of the soldiers can come home safely. I know it`s pointless, but one can hope, right?
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Female 32
Yes I understood every bit of what you wrote. Trust me. All I did was comment on one thing that you wrote about (that didn`t relate to the original topic) just to make a bit of a joke that you obviously didn`t understand. If you look back to my first post, I just pointed out that you liked to talk about killing yourself, not the fact that you think all soldiers should die and whatnot. I just chose to stay out of all of that because I came into the conversation so late.

Go ahead, call me stupid again. That seems to be your only real argument you have against me. That and I`m religious and a waste of a human.
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Male 232
Yeah, I`m probably going to follow suit and run like hell from this thread as if it`s on fire. Mainly because it is, figuratively speaking.
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Male 3,482
[quote]Whoooa...im going to stay out of this one...[/quote]
Yeah, it`s reached a point where that`s probably for the best.

I`m outta here too, folks.

Good night, sleep well. Or good morning, depending on where you are... Whatever.

Anyway, have a pleasant life, and I hope you never end up in a life-or-death situation in the first place. But if you do... Kick some ass and don`t hold back.
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Male 232
I never said you did panda. The use of quotation marks was to show sarcasm. You seem to think that the whole debate that`s been going on, and all the subject matter here is sh*t on the internet, when in reality it goes much deeper than that. That`s all I was trying to point out.
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Male 1,184
Happy, I get just as worked up about it if it`s not on the internet. Therefore, you have no point.
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Female 307
@ Pizzaroll.

I never said `people on the internet`. I said people, and internet, and on the internet, but I never said people on the internet as a full phrase, like you`re implying I did.
I said `You people sure get worked up about poo on the internet`.

You just proved my point.
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Male 52
Whoooa...im going to stay out of this one...
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Male 1,184
Y2K09, you did not understand a single phrase I typed. If you had, you wouldn`t have commented on this post in the first place.
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Male 232
Yea happy panda, because "these people on the internet" aren`t actual people IRL. We`re actually all here for entertainment. Maybe the reason some of us get worked up is because we have the understanding that these "people on the internet" actually are real, and do exist in real life. That these people do vote, that they do have jobs, that they could even have a position in politics. So, just maybe, when some of us see what we consider to be a completely idiotic belief system, or view point, maybe the reason we get worked up is because that person could have some sort of influence on our own lives. But hey, what the hell do I know. I`m just a person on the internet.
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Female 151
I agree with Y2K09. I don`t agree with the war, but I have respect for the troops that go out and risk their lives. Hell, I`m not even American but I still respect them.
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Female 307
You people sure get worked up over a lot of poo on the internet, eh?
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Female 32
Just kidding! Im not done yet. Why can`t religious people understand logic. I`ve understood everything you`ve written, but I don`t agree with most of it.
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Male 232
Well, truth is, I believe, but 99% of the other people I`ve met that are religious are completely misguided, and absolutely mistaken in their interpretation of the bible. So take it from a religious person (sorta) that the absolute vast majority of religious people are complete morons.
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Male 3,482
I`m anti- organized religion, but I`m staying out of this...
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Male 1,184
Nope, that was not a joke.

There is literally one devoutly religious person I have met IRL that understands cause and effect relationships. That could just be coincidence, but I doubt it.
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Male 232
I`m really not sure if that was meant as a joke or not. With the mind set of most on this site, I`m going to assume it wasn`t.
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Male 1,184
But pizza, religion is a psychosis. You need therapy to cure it.
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Male 232
Religion has nothing to do with logic. Some people just have more logic than others, and therefore consider it to be in their own best interest to be religious.
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Male 1,184
Oh, no wonder you`re incapable of comprehending logic. You`re religious. Makes sense now.
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Male 232
Damnit! I hate it when I go to refresh this site and accidentally refresh the tab my movie is playing in...
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Female 32
Ok this is the last thing I`m going to put on here for the night because I`ve got to get up early and its already 2AM.

I don`t think people should agree with the war, but I think they should support the troops. Why? Because they`re Americans, too, and it`s only right to want the best for our fellow countrymen. And just think, if they hadn`t signed up to be in the military, people like Siyanor (:P) would be over there "fighting." We wouldn`t want that now, would we?

And I`m going to end this with a Bible verse just to show more of my ignorance.

I Kings 8:50 "And forgive your people, who have sinned against you; forgive all the offenses they have committed against you, and cause their conquerors to show them mercy;"

I love Jesus and our soldiers, but I do not love war. And of course, other people, too.

Have a good day...or night.

Have a good day, folks. I`ll go try to be lees stupid for you all.
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Male 3,482
And Deadmeat, can I just say that everything you said becomes one HUGE joke when I check your profile and find that you`re the one who submitted The Final Death Wish, a game all about killing things because they`re there for you to kill.
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Male 3,431
Man, that`s gut wrenching.
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Male 3,482
[quote]I could be doing more important things right now, like watching grass grow.[/quote]
Go enjoy your grass, man.

Not Like I enjoyed wasting your time anyway, but you just HAD to throw yourself into the fire pit...
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Male 149
o and you people already hate me so what the hell. Ill tell you everything. Im a ginger, im a jew, im a democrat, im a vegetarian, im a nerd, and i hate (almost) all of you.
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Male 3,482
OH, and adding fuel to my fire against drug addicts, is that they financially support drug-dealers.

Those drug dealers often use the money to destroy more lives.

And some even get the drug in horrific ways.

Ever heard of the case of the Mexican kidnapping that ended 45 minutes after the kid disappeared?

A woman`s son got lost near the border. The police told her to wait near the gates. 45 minutes later, a man appeared carrying the woman`s unconscious son. Upon her approaching him, the man bolted, but was almost instantly caught by the police.

In the short time since the kid had disappeared, he had been kidnapped, killed, cut open, all his organs removed, and replaced with bags of cocaine.

The man was going to carry the body across the border as if it were his child, simply asleep.

Yeah. It happens. And it`s half the reason I have no faith in humanity anymore.
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Male 1,184
Lion, I would never swap with him, whether he killed me or not.
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Male 149
I dont know why im wasting my time here with you people. I could be doing more important things right now, like watching grass grow.
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Male 3,482
Now, for that story...

Again, from WWII...

There was an absolute hero, the kind of man that, upon looking at him, you wonder how he can enjoy living amongst us petty mortals. The man had fought off countless enemies and basically saved his entire group, fighting all odds since he was shooting the enemy from a vehicle which could have exploded at any moment.

When the war was over, the man was prescribed an anti-depressant, because he ended up with shell-shock. After a while, he realized he was addicted.

Now, he had a couple options here. The man could have become an addict, spending every waking moment looking for his fix. He could have joined a program, and had people baby him and help him along the way.

What did he do?

He locked himself in a hotel room for a week and got the hell over his addiction. Went completely cold turkey.

THAT`S the kind of self-discipline and determination this world needs more of.
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Male 232
@lionheart, Haha, I suppose that does kind of cut to the heart of the matter, eh?
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Male 8,300
Holy pooe! 11 pages of comments!? Its simple guys: how many of the gooks he shot DEAD FOREVER would willingly swap places with him?

All of them, Terminator-hands or not.
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Male 149
we are most definitely getting distracted from the main topic and i would like to get back to it.
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Female 32
I understand where you`re coming from, deadmeat, a lie is a lie and stealing is stealing. But still, you`ve got to admit that there is a difference from stealing a dollar and terrorism in the eyes of people. It just seems more justifiable to wage a war on a group of terrorists than a group of pickpockets.
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Male 3,482
That was supposed to end in:

Eventually, someone has to clean up the body.
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Male 3,482
[quote]OMG! the whole rich-poor powerful-weak thing was just to give you a point of view that I was talking about EVERYONE![/quote]
Yeah, and I read that. And, I`ll say it again. Not EVERYONE is equal.

After a certain point, chips start being added to the scales of your life, evaluating your deeds. Some deeds (chips) are heavier than others.

Surviving on your own two feet is the scale. Some people don`t even earn this, and are automatically rated as worthless.

From there, how you act determines which way the scale tips. No deeds = no tipping. At the bottom of the evil deed side, is worthless.

[quote]So what do you have against drug addicts?[/quote]
I have against them that they are destructive to society, and are too weak-willed to cure their own addiction. (I have another story about that point after this post...)

If you claim that they`re NOT destructive to society, think about their former friends and families.

And eventu
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Male 149
k, with the lie part i wasnt talking about the actual action of breaking a vase or killing millions, but the lying part.
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Female 32
You just aren`t getting my point, Siyanor. Killing yourself is the easy way out. It`s not taking responsibility for your actions. If you were to kill me and then kill yourself, you`re getting out of the punishment that would give my family justice. Sure, you are admitting that you did it, but that`s it. You can`t take what comes with it.

To sum it up for you, suicide is the easy way out.

And yes, I know this has nothing to do with war- just the initial point I made you about your suicide obsession that you had to make a big deal about.

Sincerely,

The Forum Retard.
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Male 232
@Deadmeat553, That comment you just made has completely ended it for me. This is the last time I will ever say anything to you, for you have just made yourself completely worthless in my eyes, with just one well placed line. There is a huge moral difference between telling a lie about a broken vase, and telling a lie about killing millions. The fact that you can`t see it proves to me that you do not deserve to be considered a part of the same species as myself. You have sickened me for the last time, and from this point forward, nothing you ever say can redeem you in my eyes. You have finally shown your true colors, and what you think human life`s value really is. Go burn in hell.
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Male 2,893
@Altaru
You should write a book or something dude.
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Male 3,482
[quote]So yes I have done some bad things, but I have also done somereally great things. So am I a good or a bad person?[/quote]
First off, this isn`t a confessional.

Second off... Among your list of bad deeds, I don`t see murder, rape, drug dealing... Nothing severe.

Evaluating your deeds is like placing weights on a scale. Comparing YOUR evil deeds to your good deeds is like placing a 1 Gram chip against a 1 Kilogram block.

So yes, you have a positive value. Good for you.

:-)

Now, in your head, imagine the voice of GlaDos from Portal going "I`m being so sincere right now," like she does in the ending song...
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Male 149
Not that I hate you y2ko9 (unlike pizzaroll) but I must disagree. For what is the moral difference between stealing $1 or a million, or telling a lie about breaking a vase or telling a lie about killing millions?
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Male 232
@Deadmeat, what you think that`s for me to decide? Who hasn`t done some bad things. Once again, however, you are performing some spectacular verbal gymnastics. Everyone has a few things in their life that they aren`t proud of. What of it? Tell you what, go rape a little girl and kill a few senior citizens, then I`ll have an answer for you. Go organize a homeless shelter, donate money to cure a currently uncurable disease, or start a petition for something that you believe needs to change for the better, then I`ll have an answer for you. That petty poo doesn`t mean a single thing. You claim to have saved a few people`s lives, and thats commendable, however, I don`t believe that a good offsets a wrong. What you`ve done is done, and there is no changing it, or undoing it. It`s something that you have to live with.
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Male 2,419
Sergeant in the marine corps and the best they could give him is a pair of hooks? ouch.
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Female 32
Little things like stealing $1 and lies aren`t what I call evil. Murders, terrorism, and things like that are what I think pizzaroll and altaru are getting at. But that`s just my opinion...and I am a moron, remember. :P
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Male 149
So what do you have against drug addicts? The ones that are able to not hurt anybody are not a problem. they are only hurting themselves.
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Male 1,184
...Wow, Y2K09... you... cannot be stupider...

The act of committing suicide is ALWAYS admitting your actions. ALWAYS. It cannot possibly ever not be. I don`t see how it`s physically possible for anyone to believe otherwise.

...That is just completely astounding... I have never heard something so illogical in my life...
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Male 149
OMG! the whole rich-poor powerful-weak thing was just to give you a point of view that I was talking about EVERYONE!
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Male 3,482
[quote]helpless homeless person that has never succeeded in anything and has never done good or bad is worthless?[/quote]
Depends why he`s helpless and homeless. Is he a drug addict living on the streets so he doesn`t have to pay for a place to live?

Was he a working-class man who lost his job and all his money?

Or has he just never TRIED to climb out of the whole, content to wallow in the filth feeling sorry for himself.

There are some homeless people I sympathize with. The ones who`ve been shoved into the whole because of the economy or some unavoidable factor.

Then the others, the ones who jump in head-first and the ones who just lie there... Those are the worthless ones.

I don`t give money. I give out applications to various places of employment. It`s their choice what happens from there.
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Male 149
You know what? Well guess what! I will now admit to every bad thing i have done in my living memory!

stole $1 from a friend.
broken a vase and blamed it on someone else.
made fun of some people.
punched somebody my age.
and some other not so bad stuff.

and heres a bunch of good things ive done.

Saved a mans life (this is completely true, they were suffocating and i did cpr).
threw myself in the way of a child that fell 20 feet, thus breaking their fall.
caught a person trying to shoplift.
and i am also a vegetarian (boycotting adds up)

So yes I have done some bad things, but I have also done somereally great things. So am I a good or a bad person?
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Female 32
Yes, I`m a moron. Sure. Whatever. That`s what my full ride to college says, too. All I`m saying is that darn near everything you say ends with you killing yourself. I never said you wanted to kill yourself now, but you sure are obsessed with it. You don`t have the guts to stand up and admit to your actions. That`s weak.

Ans thanks for calling me a worthless human being. I love compliments. ;D
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Male 232
Altaru, keep talking man, your words are music to my ears. Honestly, if you were a woman, I would propose right now.
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Male 3,482
[quote]You are only truly evil when you see that in your own eyes.[/quote]
That homicidal maniac waiting outside the door may not see what he does as evil, but that doesn`t mean that I should cry when I kill him for attacking me.

[quote]And if I ever see that I myself am evil, i will gladly fall to the hands of what is good.[/quote]
Well, I`m glad you have a sense of justice, but you also seem to have a VERY misguided faith in the rest of humanity to share that same sense of justice.

[quote]No matter how rich or how poor, how powerful or how weak, we are all equal.[/quote]
It`s not a matter of how rich or poor, it`s a matter of deeds done and ability to stand on your own two goddamn feet. If you`ve done evil deeds, then you`re a lesser being. If you can`t stand for yourself, then you`re a lesser being.

After a certain point, mind you. I`m not saying children are lesser beings. It`s when adults are just grown up children that sickens me.
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Male 232
@Altaru, I could not agree more.
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Male 232
@deadmeat, I never said that. Nor did I come anywhere near hinting that you have to do all sorts of good things, or succeed at anything, to have value. The point I`m trying to get across, is that with every evil deed, you diminish your own value. Once again STOP PUTTING dratING WORDS IN MY MOUTH YOU DUMB LITTLE poo.
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Male 3,482
[quote]all men are created equal?[/quote]
Because, as it says, all men are CREATED equal.

That doesn`t mean we stay equal.

Or do you consider the gangbanger on welfare to be equal to my sixty-something year old grandmother who worked her entire life and never harmed anyone?

We are NOT all brothers, and it`s that view that has led to the severe weakening of this species.

Like I`ve said before, if natural selection had been allowed to take it`s toll, the world would be a better place, because only those with the will and strength to survive would`ve done so. But because of this "everyone`s equal" bullsh*t, the weak and worthless are sheltered, whether they ever become strong or not.

There comes a point in people`s lives where they should be forced to stand on their own two feet. If they can`t, I don`t see how it`s wrong for the rest of us to leave them behind.
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Male 13
Here here to ending the war.
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Male 1,184
Y2K09, you are an absolute moron.

I do not CURRENTLY want to kill myself. In certain situations, I would. This isn`t one of them.

Of course, right now I`m really itching to kill you, because you`re absolutely worthless as a human being. Then I would kill myself afterward.
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Male 149
So pizzarroll are you saying that a helpless homeless person that has never succeeded in anything and has never done good or bad is worthless? NO! Of course not! they still have life force! They have done no deeds so with your logic that would make them worthless, but they`re not!

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Male 3,755
This war would have been over long ago if we didn`t try to do it the politically correct way.
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Male 3,755
Altaru, you could volunteer to help out wounded soldiers. Then, it wouldn`t waste any resources.
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Male 232
@deadmeat, it`s not whether or not you think you`re evil, it`s what you do that determines if you are evil. Apparently you don`t believe that actions speak louder than words. I never, in a single post, ever, said that I would kill or die for America. "All men are created equal." Key word there is created. After creation it is your deeds that determine your value. Also, money, power, things like that, have no place in determining someone`s value; only your deeds can determine your value.
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Male 3,755
He`s a Marine. He had those installed just so it`s easier to rip people`s face off.

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Male 1,164
edit: the marines are developing raptor people
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Male 3,482
[quote]I should have said killing. I have no problem with violence if it doesn`t lead to deaths.[/quote]
Well, then, I guess that`s +1 point to you. At least you`d fight.

However, I`m also a person that thinks in cold hard numbers. Keeping this deranged lunatic alive when he`s a danger to society isn`t worth resources we`re already running low on.

It`s like tossing food in a trash can. It could have gone to someone more deserving (see poor family with children, or starving African children), but instead you dump it into a lost cause.

As far as I`m concerned, if he dies, oh well. We won`t have to waste any resources on him. If not, oh well. I`m safe. So`s my girlfriend. I don`t care what happens from this point forward.
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Male 149
You are only truly evil when you see that in your own eyes. And if I ever see that I myself am evil, i will gladly fall to the hands of what is good. I know this is hard to believe, because of common sense and all that but it is true.

If we were named evil just because we are thought to be, then we would ALL be evil.

No man, woman, or child is less valuable than another. No matter how rich or how poor, how powerful or how weak, we are all equal.

How can you kill for America if in the Constitution itself it says that all men are created equal?
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Female 32
I`d just commit suicide."

And that`s only from the first 6 pages. You sure seem to like suicide.

I just think you can`t take anything like a man and are too weak to stand up for anything.
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Male 232
@bombaytech, only a few people have given those "happens every day" comments, so don`t sit here and act like it`s the leading opinion on this thread. In case you haven`t noticed, those posts aren`t even given the dignity of a response.
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Female 32
"pizza, honestly, if a guy`s so weak that I can kill him without weapons, I don`t think he`s a threat to anyone. But assuming he hits his head on a sharp object nearby or something like that, I would still contemplate suicide"
"Yes, Altaru, I understand that scenario. How`s this one:
Deranged lunatic attacks!
You kill him!
You kill yourself!
Game Over."

"I understand that... it`s never an option for me. If me dying doesn`t protect my boyfriend, neither would me living, so I don`t see the point in trying to live."

"I believe that I`d rather die than livesupporting any act of violence."

"If my life was as screwed up as his? Yes, I would be a waste of air. That`s precisely why I would commit suicide, and NOT try to take up more oxygen making my life better by ignoring everything I believe in."

"If my life was so screwed up that I would JOIN THE MILITARY to forget my problems, I`d
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Male 232
@deadmeat553, others on this thread have already read several of my comments, so they know not to do that bullpoo verbal gymnastics with me. Apparently I now need to teach you the same lesson. I never said that I support the killing of million. Get that through your head right now. I don`t want to keep having to remove the words that you put in my mouth. It gets really drating annoying. Also, you still have not responded to my response of what was your most disgusting quote from earlier, about how there is no good or bad, but only what we perceive. Which is bullpoo. If a man rapes little girls, and murders innocent people, he is evil, that`s all there is to it. A man who lives his life for the well being of others, and doesn`t harm other people, is a good person, that`s all there is to it.
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Male 151
Just because the ten other guys got away with speeding and you didn`t doesn`t make it okay to do.

Just like because war injuries and deaths are commonplace doesn`t make it okay or not sad. So STFU with all the `happens everyday` comments - I`ve lost enough faith in the human race already.
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Female 535
can`t they make the prosthetics a little les....pointy??? =s
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Male 3,482
[quote]awww dude, the army is developing raptor people to combat terrorism? where do i sign![/quote]
Those aren`t army, kid. Look at the pin on their collar, the white gloves, the hat.

Those, my friend, are marines. And they don`t need raptor people. They`re already stronger than raptor people.
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Male 38
@deadmeat553

All that insightfulness just won`t fit into one post, will it?
Regardless, you speak the truth.
War has no point, just as life. It`s all the same.
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Male 1,184
Sorry, I shouldn`t have said violence back then... I should have said killing. I have no problem with violence if it doesn`t lead to deaths.

Y2K09, I haven`t killed anyone, nor have I done anything against my beliefs. Reread the comments, and figure out if I, right now, want to kill myself. Shouldn`t be difficult.
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Female 5,222
heart breaking :(
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Male 3,482
[quote]And I`m sure you think I would disagree with you, Altaru? [/quote]
No, I just felt like telling a cool little story that coincided with my belief that, if there is no option that you can take, make a new one.
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Male 1,164
awww dude, the army is developing raptor people to combat terrorism? where do i sign!
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Female 32
Actually I did read it all (for some ridiculous reason), and that`s my conclusion. That and your all`s debate has really gone nuts. War, cookies, getting attacked in the alley among other things. But really, all you talk about is killing yourself and dying.
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Male 149
Pizzaroll, you want me to give a quote of my own? huh? well here you go you sonofabitch!

Life is a gift, it should not be wasted on a whim.

AND HERES ANOTHER!

Why do adults tell children not to fight when they themselves have not yet learned that lesson?

HERE YA GO!

We all only have so long to live, so why waste it hating one another?

AND ONE LAST ONE!

When ever a war begins, every man, woman, and child that has a soul, dies a little inside.

IF YOU SUPPORT THE KILLINGS OF MILLIONS THEN YOU ARE NOTHING BETTER THAN A KILLER YOURSELF!
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Male 3,482
[quote]Obviously I`m going to try to restrain him or knock him out.[/quote]
That`s why I added PCP into the equation. Have you ever fought a man high on PCP?

There`s no way to "knock him out," because his system has completely shut down all safety mechanisms (like the one that causes you to pass out), and unless you`re four times his strength, you`re not going to be able to restrain him.

The only possible options are to either kill him, or severely injure him to the point where he can`t move. In other words, it`s kill or paralyze.

And no matter which option you try to take, the only determining factor at that point is luck.

You said you were against violence.

In a situation where violence is the only option available, otherwise you, your boyfriend, and potentially countless other people die, would you be willing to do whatever it takes?

I know I would.
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Female 14
Wow, that`s eye-opening.
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Male 1,184
Y2K09, if you didn`t read the entire debate, don`t bother commenting on it. I can tell you didn`t read all of it.
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Male 1,184
And I`m sure you think I would disagree with you, Altaru?

Newsflash: I don`t.

I`ll let you figure out why.
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Male 232
@Siyanor, there is no human on this planet that could not be killed without weapons. Alot of things factor into a fight, and one of those things is luck. When your luck`s out, it`s out, pure and simple. At that point it doesn`t matter if it`s a nuke or a pebble, you`ll die all the same.
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Female 32
Siyanor, if you`re so intent on dying, I bet you could go over to Iraq and someone would gladly do it for you and save you the trouble. But, then again, a nice soldier might happen to come along and help you. Then you`d really be screwed.

Just saying, many of our troops aren`t over there to kill right now. I have so many friends over there who are MPs that are training the Iraqi police and military to protect their people from terrorists. Why are we training them? SO WE CAN GET OUT OF THERE! Wow, what a great idea!
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Male 232
@deadmeat553, A life is the sum of deeds that person has done throughout their life time. To say that all men are equal is to say that all deeds are equal. If that is what you truly believe, I need no more proof to stand firm in my belief that you are a complete moron.
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Female 3,828
awww.
its true he knew what he was signing up for, but he still got injured for his country. I may not feel remorse,skull, but i do feel respect and sympathy. And im not even an american.
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Male 1,184
pizza, honestly, if a guy`s so weak that I can kill him without weapons, I don`t think he`s a threat to anyone. But assuming he hits his head on a sharp object nearby or something like that, I would still contemplate suicide. I`m not nearly as likely to do it, though. Depends how exactly he managed to die accidentally.
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Male 149
There is nothing that war has ever achieved that we could not better achieve without it.
Henry Ellis

yup
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Male 3,482
I`m gonna go back a few points here and tell a story about making your own path...

There`s s story from World War II about a soldier from the UK who, after getting caught by the Germans at one point, literally WALKED out of Nazi concentration camps. TWICE.

That man is my f*cking HERO. He had two options. Stay and work, hoping they would let him live, or starve to death.

And he made his own option. And he didn`t let anyone stop him from taking that option, either.

Mind you, that`s the ONLY reason he`s my hero. The man was a psycho who wanted the war to go on for another 10 years (he blamed the Americans for shortening it), but still... He just walked right out, and didn`t let anything stop him.

OH, and he carried a claymore, a longbow, and bagpipes into battle... And captured 42 German soldiers and a mortar squad with just his sword...

Yeah. One crazy mother f*cker, but still...
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Male 232
Also, try to stop listening to the words of others, and find your own damn truth. Do you really need someone else to tell you what to believe in? Or do you simply look for quotes that "sound pretty" and base your life off of that?
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Male 232
@deadmeat553, that quote was quite possible the single most liberal thing I have ever heard. People like you, who believe that what is, is only how we perceive it to be, are fools that are trying to find some complacent mind set to make their own pathetic, cowardly lives easier to live. I`ve debated alot on this site, but this is the first time that I have been absolutely disgusted with something I`ve read. Good job.
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Male 149
Never think that war, no matter how necessary, nor how justified, is not a crime.
Ernest Hemingway

Why is it a crime to kill a man, unless it is to the sound of a trumpet?
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Male 149
Man has no right to kill his brother. It is no excuse that he does so in uniform: he only adds the infamy of servitude to the crime of murder.
Percy Bysshe Shelley

i agree
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Male 149
If we don`t end war, war will end us.
H. G. Wells

this is so true
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Male 232
@Siyanor, alot of people who are only trying to stop someone who is attacking them end up accidentally killing them. That same lunatic punches you, you hit him back, or push him, or any number of other things to try and stop him, but you just happen to hit him just right, purely accidental, and he dies. How do you react to that?
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Male 149
All wars are civil wars, because all men are brothers.
Francois Fenelon

and we truly are.
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Male 149

"There is nothing either good or bad, but thinking makes it so." - William Shakespeare.

That quote means that there is no good or evil in the world but it is how we look at something that makes it appear so.
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Male 149
All lives are equal. No man or woman deserves to die; or you could say that no man or woman deserves to live, it would be exactly the same.
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Male 1,184
...Altaru, I never said I wouldn`t try to STOP the deranged lunatic. Obviously I`m going to try to restrain him or knock him out. I am NOT going to kill him.
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Male 149
YAY!!! FLAME WAR!!! :P
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Male 320
ALL WAR NEEDS TO END! JMIO
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Male 3,482
[quote]Deranged lunatic attacks!

You kill him!

You kill yourself!

Game Over.[/quote]
Now you`re just being irrational. Why would I kill myself?

Guilt over killing the person that tried to kill me and my girlfriend?

Uh uh. Obviously you`re of a weak mindset, and you might do that, I`m stronger than that.

And here I was thinking the putting it in Pokemon worthy simplicity would get it through your skull. I was wrong...
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Male 936
they knew what they were signing up for, they knew the risks. I feel no remorse. Now, if he was drafted thats a diff story - but he wasnt.

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Male 3,482
[quote]If me dying doesn`t protect my boyfriend, neither would me living, so I don`t see the point in trying to live.[/quote]
If you`re dead, you`re a speed-bump that he can just step over.

If you`re alive and you fight, you could at least slow him down, or incapacitate the attacker.

In situation one, nine times out of ten, you`re boyfriend dies because you were too much of a coward to protect him. OH, and let`s not forget that the killer could escape and go on to kill other people. By dying, you would be contributing to other people`s deaths.

In situation two, there`s a chance you both survive, and the killer could be caught because of your actions, and you get to be a hero and save other people`s lives.
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Male 1,184
Yes, Altaru, I understand that scenario. How`s this one:

Deranged lunatic attacks!

You kill him!

You kill yourself!

Game Over.
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Male 3,482
[quote]2) defend my boyfriend with my life, without trying to kill the deranged lunatic.[/quote]
Deranged lunatic attacks!

You attempt to stop him using non-violence!

Deranged lunatic is high on PCP!

Deranged lunatic kills you, and quickly moves on to your boyfriend.

Game Over screen pops up. There is no reset button. The police find both of you as blood-stains on the concrete.

Why? Because you`re completely against the use of violence, despite violence being the only solution that would work.

[quote]Please explain what "completely in the wrong" means to you.[/quote]
Completely in the wrong, to me, means something like being a drug dealer, a rapist, a terrorist, etc...

[quote]Because to me, your friend is completely in the wrong if he does listen to his higher-ups.[/quote]
Well, obviously there`s a difference in values there that`s not going to be settled in an internet forum.
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Male 232
You can`t protect anything when you`re dead. When you`re alive, you can protect anything.
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Male 1,184
I understand that... it`s never an option for me. If me dying doesn`t protect my boyfriend, neither would me living, so I don`t see the point in trying to live.
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Male 64
Whether or not this war started legitimately is no longer an issue since nothing can be done about that. Personally, I feel that whatever comes out of this war, it`s going to be better for the people of the middle east. However, if we pull out to soon, al-Qaida is just going to wind up with more power than when this whole debacle started.
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Male 232
@Siyanor, in the situation that I described, that solution is not possible. As I said, I would only kill if it was as a last resort. Otherwise, I would have no reason to. I`m not just going to kill someone because I feel like it. Killing someone is only the absolute last option.
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Male 1,184
pizza: In that situation, what I would do is 1) tell my boyfriend (I wouldn`t have a girlfiend) to call the police, then 2) defend my boyfriend with my life, without trying to kill the deranged lunatic.

Altaru: Please explain what "completely in the wrong" means to you. Because to me, your friend is completely in the wrong if he does listen to his higher-ups. If he doesn`t, then it was a bad choice, but not his fault. But if he doesn`t listen to his higher-ups, I`d expect he would already be dead.
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Male 3,482
[quote]Then you don`t necessarily agree with what your friend did. So I don`t see why you`re defending him at all.[/quote]
I agree that it was the best path for him, and I`ll defend his choice.

Because another one of my beliefs happens to be that I stand up for my friends too, when they aren`t completely in the wrong.
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Male 232
@siyanor, nor is it to me, unless it is to defend myself, or someone who deserves to be defended. If some deranged lunatic were to attack my girlfriend, I would chop his head off and poo down his neck. (not literally of course, but if I had no other option, not a single other possible way to deal with the situation, then yea, I`d kill the sorry son of a bitch.) I`d rather see my girlfriend, who has never wronged a single soul, live, than some non-nice individual who has made a life profiting off of the misery of others.
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Male 1,184
"Except the case you were describing was NOT your friend making a new option.

My friend and I are different people, for one thing."

Then you don`t necessarily agree with what your friend did. So I don`t see why you`re defending him at all.

pizza: Killing someone whose life has less value, to me, is no more acceptable than killing someone whose life has more value.
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Male 12,138
Sad to see this.
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Male 232
@Altaru, nice quote, and I feel that way exactly.
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Male 3,482
[quote]And you wouldn`t consider yourself guilty by killing that person? I certainly would.[/quote]
Rule #27 of Drill Sergeant Joe B. Fricks Rules For A Gunfight:

Regardless of whether justified or not, you will feel sad about killing another human being. It is better to be sad than to be room temperature.
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Male 232
would it not be suicide if a man did not fight for his own life?*

Damn character limit :p
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Male 3,482
[quote]Except the case you were describing was NOT your friend making a new option.[/quote]
My friend and I are different people, for one thing.

[quote]If he didn`t agree with his higher ups, my point stands. If he did agree with his higher ups, your entire argument falls.[/quote]
For another, I never mentioned that his beliefs were in disagreement with those of his higher-ups. He didn`t join to kill people, but killing people that hate him because of where he lives and would attack him on sight isn`t exactly taboo to him either.

As for civilians... Well, it`s like what happened with Katrina. When you know the sh*tstorm is coming, get the hell out of the way. If you don`t... Then there will be consequences.


My argument was that if your beliefs involve you dying like a dog because you would rather die for them than live and fight for them, then you`re an idiot.
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Male 232
@siyanor, I would most certainly feel remorse. But at the same time, I would kill a thousand guilty men to save one innocent life. Everyone is born equal, but your deeds in life determine your value. Not everyone is equal. Your life is the sum of all your deeds. A man who commits evil deeds has far less value in his own life than a man who does not. So, while I would feel remorse of taking another life, I would kill to save a man who deserved to be saved, just as I would kill to protect my own life. Unfortunately, the value of one`s life is not a constant.

@deadmeat553, In the old testament of the christian bible, there was a line about an "eye for an eye": en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Eye_for_an_eye. (Actually that would be old testament for christians, but it is the only book for the hebrews, I think). Jesus said to love your enemy, however, the bible is also full of writings about the value of a mans life. Would it be considered suicide if one did not fight for his own
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Male 87
Go youtube, search for Sabaton - In the name of God. Watch!
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Male 149
I do NOT understand people who say their fighting for "god". not that I don`t believe in god, because I do; But because EVERY single religion says that we are all children of god and so wouldn`t it just piss god off if we kill each other. I mean like wouldn`t YOU be pissed if someone killed your kid, even if it was your other kid?
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Male 1,184
And you wouldn`t consider yourself guilty by killing that person? I certainly would.
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Male 232
Let me put it this way. If I see an innocent man about to be killed by another man, I would protect the innocent man, but not with my life. If necessary, I would simply kill the guilty man.
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Male 1,184
pizza, I also value human life. Altaru is the one who claims it is impossible to value human life by wanting to protect it with your own life.
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Male 87
"Only the dead has seen the end of war"
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Male 232
@Siyanor, The thing that altaru and myself have in common is our value for human life. The only things I value over my life are my values and beliefs. Those are the only things I would willingly give my life for. Altaru is claiming that you misquoted him however, so I`ll let you two sort that mess out.
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...Except the case you were describing was NOT your friend making a new option. It was following the beliefs of whoever his higher-ups were. If he didn`t agree with his higher ups, my point stands. If he did agree with his higher ups, your entire argument falls.
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Male 87
Got the nail right on the head there, pizzaroll. I wish I could put the leaders of all these armies and warjunkies in a room with a knife, pcp and alcohol and have them fight each other instead of sending hundreds of thousands, if not millions of men and women to die for a cause not of their own.
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Male 232
@dogsoldier, yea pretty much. If shoulds were coulds, am I right?
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Male 3,482
[quote]Altaru said the exact opposite, that he would rather live supporting something he doesn`t believe in than die for his own beliefs.[/quote]
Dammit, now you`ve just gone and ruined my mood...

I said I would rather live than die. I never mentioned anything about beliefs.

If my only options were to follow someone else`s beliefs that went against mine or die, I`d make a new f*cking option.

No matter how much I had to fight to do it.
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Male 1,184
That mentality was the entire backbone of his argument, though... you can`t agree with anything he`s saying and not agree with that mentality.
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Male 87
pizzaroll: I meant soldiers in general, no country should need them nor wage wars...period. Alas that`s the sad part since it`s our curse as humans to always find new ways of destroying others.

I do wish for world peace, but that will only happen once we are all gone.
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Male 232
@siyanor, I said I tended to agree with some of the things altaru said, but that doesn`t mean that I agree with everything he said. Same goes for you; I agree with some things you`ve said, but not all. Finding someone that shares your exact values and beliefs is extremely rare.
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Male 30
@Pizzaroll Good words - I think I`ll write them down. It sort of reminds of the line, wherever it came from, that if you cut open a cynic, you find a wounded optimist. Sometimes it`s hard not to be a cynic, which in some ways might be a sign of having given up on hope. x:
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Male 1,184
"Never give up your ideals, unless you are convinced beyond any doubt that your ideals were wrong. Sometimes, a little hope and fantasy is all you need to make life seem worth living."

If this is what you believe, how can you possibly agree with Altaru? Altaru said the exact opposite, that he would rather live supporting something he doesn`t believe in than die for his own beliefs.
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Male 232
@Drmambo, Hope is the backbone of civilization. Without hope, you have nothing. Without hope, you are worthless. Never give up hope. Never give up your ideals, unless you are convinced beyond any doubt that your ideals were wrong. Sometimes, a little hope and fantasy is all you need to make life seem worth living.
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Male 232
@dogsoldier, I tend to agree on some points, on others, I do not. I believe that we do need soldiers, just not for the wars that we`ve been fighting lately. However, to leave ourselves with no military might, is to open our borders to any foreign power that would wish us harm.
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Male 30
@pizzaroll - I understand the difficulty and I`d be the first person to slap someone who said "if we can get a man on the moon, we should be able to X, Y, Z," but I can`t help but think that we`d be further along if we weren`t so concerned with things that we either can`t prevent or aren`t going to happen. I think a lot of those things involve the military and we should start being smarter with our spending and improving lives instead. Though that might just be shreds of hope and fantasy on my part...
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Male 87
The profession of a soldier should NOT be needed in this world. It`s just not right that these men and women fight over some old basterds greed. Let the men in charge fight their own wars, or to quote Achilles from the movie Troy. "A King who fight`s his own battles, woudln`t that be a sight"
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Male 519
@drmambo we have hands but the military would never pay for soldiers to get them.
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Male 1,184
...Altaru, datroman ended the debate.
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Male 232
@Drmambo, the technology for fully functioning robotic prosthetics is already out there; it`s just extremely expensive. Eventually, as the technology becomes more widespread, and they find ways to make it cheaper, more people will be able to afford those prosthetics. The problem is, it`s kind of difficult to build a piece of robotics that can respond to neural synapses.
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Male 3,482
[quote]You mean they get cool Mako eyes and buster swords?[/quote]
FFVII reference win!

Hands down, Nido has just ended this debate. I`m now in too good a mood to continue arguing.
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Male 9,305
"Joins the military as a SOLDIER"

You mean they get cool Mako eyes and buster swords?
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FinePoint
Male, 18-29, Western US
8 Posts Wednesday, July 21, 2010 7:37:59 PM
join the air force. easiest way not to have this happen to you. AF still gets deployed, but don`t go much further than inside the base.

Relly whay about all the personell that have to do the convoy escort? and security forces, they are the air forces ground troop symoler to the armys infantry. just because all of the air force dousnt fight dousnt mean we dont get killed. not to mention you actoly have to have a brain to serve in the air force un like most of the other branches. and only 6% of america is even elagiable to join and only 10 % of that 6 persent do. so let alone it is not easy to join the air force.
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Male 526
at least she gets to hug him again. It`s easy to forget how light (i use that term fairly losely here) the loss of hands is to the loss of life...
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Male 30
I looked at the picture again, and my thoughts on seeing it are now less about how sad it is and more focused on why we can`t put more money into medical technology instead of fighter jets. =\ Maybe if we were more medically advanced he`d have something closer to hands...
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Female 80
he still has his life.... he`s prolly thankful to be alive and with his wife and family and able to be with with
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Male 1,184
"You`re aware that just because you say "I wanna be an engineer in the military" doesnt mean that you end up as an engineer in the military, right?"

:O

No, I did not know that.

K, well, now that that`s cleared up... I`ll go back to thinking Altaru is just slightly stupid, not retarded.

And no, DIETY, I was NOT referring to the person in the picture. I was referring to Altaru`s friend.
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Male 3,482
[quote]I have to agree. In some situations, violence is an unavoidable necessity. Sometimes you either fight to live, or you die, outright, like a dog.[/quote]
Someone sees my point.

My friend isn`t the only unfortunate one here.

I`ve actually had to fight for my life twice, both times against people that SHOULD have killed me.

That`s why I developed a very strong hatred for those that don`t stand up for themselves. If I can survive against all odds, why won`t they even try?
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Male 3,482
[quote]Joins the military as a SOLDIER and not an engineer?[/quote]
A) WTF DO YOU THINK THE ENGINEERS DO BUT SUPPORT THE F*CKING SOLDIERS, YOU DUMBASS?!?!?!

B) He`s a MARINE mechanic and driver. He`s not going over there to kill people, in fact, considering that the Humvee are the biggest targets over there, it`s more like going to die.

C) On TOP of all that, he`s not even deploying to the Middle East yet. He`s going over to Mainland Japan (lucky f*cker...).

[quote]You`re aware that just because you say "I wanna be an engineer in the military" doesnt mean that you end up as an engineer in the military, right?[/quote]
This.

Mind you, Marines also do EVERYTHING, not just combat or behind the lines.
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Male 232
@unfoundone, alright. Thanks for that apology, and I apologize as well. Let`s put those posts behind us.
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Male 232
@Altaru, How surprising to see an objectivist philosophy on here. I have to agree. In some situations, violence is an unavoidable necessity. Sometimes you either fight to live, or you die, outright, like a dog. When that happens, everything that you ever did, and anything that ever happened to you, loses all meaning. To let yourself die, or to kill yourself, shows an utter lack of respect for life. The harder you fight to preserver your own life, the more respect for life you clearly have.
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Male 4
and back at pizzaroll. i don`t fear your weapon, nor your lack of hesitation, because i`m just as likely to be killed by a pre-pubescent child as i am by you... stuff happens.
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Male 161
join the air force. easiest way not to have this happen to you. AF still gets deployed, but don`t go much further than inside the base.
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Male 4
i understand that pizzaroll. and i thank you for supporting the military. perhaps i was a bit hasty and took what you said out of context.
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Male 3,482
[quote]I believe that I`d rather die than livesupporting any act of violence.[/quote]
This is not a dignified response. This is not an intelligent response.

This is a response that clearly shows a lack of any self-preservation instincts. In other words, a response that would have been weeded out had humanity let natural selection take it`s course.

Violence of some sort is both natural, and necessary. It`s the reason certain dominant cultures are able to live while the weaker ones die.

There is NO place, in this entire world, that has not seen blood-shed for one reason or another.

The strong have survived, through any means necessary, violence included if necessary.

The weak, like you, die.

F*ck this society, where people like you are coddled your entire life.

Here`s a hint. You`re no good to anyone if you`re dead, so if you`re not willing to fight for your life, you`re no good to anyone alive either.
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Male 232
not wanting it to end*
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Male 196
@Siyanor

Did you just call a man that lost both of his arms for your freedom a retard? :(
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Male 232
@unfoundone, also, just because you have severely pissed me off with that comment, I`m going to go a bit further. Fighting a war, and not wanting it to win, just because your comrades have died (while fighting a fool`s war in this case) is just stupid. If there`s ever a civil war in this country, it will be people like you that are on the other side of my gun, and I am not the type to hesitate. drating remember that.
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Male 4
and just to clear something up. siyanor is correct. you can join the military in the u.s. without being a soldier. you can join the navy and be a seaman, you can join the airforce and be an airman, you can join the marines and be a marine, but if you join the army... you are a soldier.
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Male 232
@unfoundone, you know, I`m really drating sick of people on this site (and many others) that feel a need to put words in other people`s mouths to suit their own arguments. Firstly, I was sticking up for the armed forces, I always have. Second, I NEVER SAID THAT I KNOW ALL ABOUT SOLDIERS, SO SHUT THE drat UP.
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Male 4
@pizzaroll: so you know all about soldiers because you went to MEPS? wow... and to all of you other non-combatants, we don`t want this war to end. we just want to win. regardless of the reasons for which we are fighting, we just don`t want the deaths and injuries of our brothers and sisters to be in vain. we do have much pride in what we do. none of us were forced to sign those enlistment papers. we knew what we were getting ourselves into.
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Male 8,300
She`s like "You better have some interesting Attachments for those or we`re over."
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Male 914
talk to your f*cking government if you want out... oh wait, I made a funny!
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Male 36
@siyanor

You`re aware that just because you say "I wanna be an engineer in the military" doesnt mean that you end up as an engineer in the military, right? Yes, you get to say what you want, but what you want, and what the government tells you you`re going to do can be 2 totally different things. Some get their desk jobs, others get the front lines. It`s not necessarily a choice, it`s just a preferrence.
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Male 1,184
K, then I still say Altaru is an absolute moron.

Kid had a bad life, wants to right his life. Fine.

Has no money, wants to be a game designer, joins the military. Fine.

Joins the military as a SOLDIER and not an engineer? What the hell? That`s absolutely retarded.
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Male 232
I won`t get too far onto that subject though. I figure I`ve already done enough debating for one day; now I`m kinda tired out from it lol.
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Male 48
Altaru ftw +1 Internets
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Male 362
haha he lost his hands.
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Male 1,184
That`s my point, pizza... you can join the military WITHOUT being a soldier. If you can`t feed yourself, join the military, fine. BUT DO NOT BECOME A SOLDIER.
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Male 232
Basically it`s nothing more than a difference of values, opinions, and beliefs. That`s the only way it can be summed up. I was in MEPS (Military Entrance Processing Station), and when I was there I met alot of different people. Some just wanted to join the Navy so that the government would fund their education. Some felt that "all ragheads need to die", some were joining because it was in their family, and others were joiniing for vengeance over a fallen loved one. Either way, theres too many people, opinions, and reasons to group all soldiers into one group. Another thought I have on this subject is that there are very few (very very few) real soldiers left. Now days, most people that are in the military are simply employees, not soldiers, and certainly not warriors.
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Male 1,184
I believe that I`d rather die than livesupporting any act of violence.
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Male 30
Siyanor must have hit his head to dead, since he has forgotten that to argue with someone you need to have a point. Go away until you learn how to form, explain, and defend an opinion, no matter how batty it is. Shoo!
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Male 3,482
[quote]That`s precisely why I would commit suicide, and NOT try to take up more oxygen making my life better by ignoring everything I believe in.[/quote]
So what, exactly, DO you believe?

That when times are tough and your luck`s run out it`s better to kill yourself then find a way out and make something better of yourself?

You`re still a pathetic, worthless piece of trash.
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Female 299
aweee look at the guy to the far left he looks like hes gunna cryyy :(
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Male 1,184
Can you explain it to me, then, pizza? Because it makes absolutely no sense to me.
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Male 1,184
I wouldn`t accept your money. Accepting money from YOU is worse than dying.
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Male 232
@Altaru, I actually agree with you on much of what you`re saying.
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Male 1,184
...Like I said, I`m not getting into that discussion. All I can say is you have no clue what I believe, so you can`t form a valid opinion on it.
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Male 3,482
[quote]Haha. Don`t even try to sound intelligent, if you think Iceland is a "frozen hell."[/quote]
I never said I would pay to send you to a populated, green areas.

I`ll have them air-drop you on one of the mountains.
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Male 3,482
[quote]Just because they would protect me doesn`t mean I want them to.[/quote]
Oh, how dignified.

Say that when looking down the barrel of a gun, unarmed.

And if you can STILL say it, then you`re not being dignified, you`re being an idiot with no sense of self-preservation.
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Female 1,043
"oh, this is so sweet, how can--oh, god."
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Male 1,184
Haha. Don`t even try to sound intelligent, if you think Iceland is a "frozen hell."
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Male 3,482
[quote]FoSchizle, believe me, if I had the money, I`d be in Iceland right now.[/quote]
Do you want that in check or credit?

Because I would PAY to get trash like you out of this country.

How much for a passport? Airfare? Work Visa? Do you know the language, or would I have to pay for those classes too?

Oh, and enjoy the frozen hell you`re going to.

Or, better yet, f*ck getting you out of this country. How much for a space shuttle? I`ll send you to the International Space Station, if that thing`s still out there.
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Male 232
@Altaru, Ok, I`ll take your advice then. What I would personally say I had been the Op on this thread would be, "This war needs to end, we have no business being over there." Or, how`s this for a caption, "Another hero who has sacrificed everything for our country." However, saying "This war needs to end so that the casualties will end." is pretty much the same thing the Op said in the first place. Of course if the war ends the casualties will stop. However, stopping casualties is never a reason to stop a war if you are on the winning side.
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Male 1,184
...Just because they would protect me doesn`t mean I want them to. I`ve already discussed this in the comments of another post, and I`m not going to go into it again.
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Male 1,184
...That is NOT what I asked, Altaru. I didn`t ask why I joined the military to be a game designer. You already answered that. I asked why he became a SOLDIER in the military.
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Male 3,482
[quote]Disagree with the war all you want, but our military members are heroes protecting your sorry behind.[/quote]
And now that this has been mentioned, might I also mention that those military members that you think deserve to die would be the first to defend your right to speak like that, you worthless piece of sh*t.
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Male 1,184
FoSchizle, believe me, if I had the money, I`d be in Iceland right now.

Altaru, that pride is not derived from JOINING THE MILITARY, though, it`s derived from not being where he was before.

If my life was as screwed up as his? Yes, I would be a waste of air. That`s precisely why I would commit suicide, and NOT try to take up more oxygen making my life better by ignoring everything I believe in.
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Female 1,190
Altaru ftw
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Male 3,482
[quote]Ok, so he joined the military to be a game designer. WHY THE HELL IS HE A SOLDIER THEN?[/quote]
Because he couldn`t have afforded it otherwise. In case you haven`t heard, education is a pretty expensive and time-consuming venture, and a little out of the reach of a full-time FedEx worker like he was at the time.

I have another friend who had to drop out of college because he couldn`t afford it, and that was with three scholarships, a supporting family, and a full-time job.
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Male 330
Siyanor, you can kindly go screw yourself and move to another country. Disagree with the war all you want, but our military members are heroes protecting your sorry behind.
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Male 3,482
[quote]Pride? PRIDE? Really? If he feels pride, he obviously wanted to join the military.[/quote]
How about the pride of pulling himself out of the fires of hell that was his life?

How about the pride of coming out stronger from Paris Island? How about the pride of knowing that he has obligated himself to do the very best he can, no matter what the situation?

[quote]If my life was so screwed up that I would JOIN THE MILITARY to forget my problems, I`d just commit suicide.[/quote]
You disgust me. You`re a pathetic wast of f*cking air if this is your opinion. Go cry in the corner like the rest of the pussies of your kind.

Like I said, there`s no way in HELL you`d ever understand, because you`ve never SEEN rock bottom, let alone hit it.

Some people aren`t pathetic like you. Some people will persist through whatever it takes.

And you`re saying my friend deserves to die because he`s a stronger man than you.
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Male 1,184
Ok, so he joined the military to be a game designer. WHY THE HELL IS HE A SOLDIER THEN?

I didn`t know you meant SELF-discipline. That`s completely different than discipline. And I haven`t met any soldiers, so I would have absolutely no clue what they would do when dealing with me.
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Male 3,482
[quote]Training in what? Killing?[/quote]
Training in a LOT of things. Right now, he`s training to be a mechanic and driver for Humvee and other vehicles.

[quote]Education you can`t get elsewhere? Not likely.[/quote]
Try education he couldn`t have afforded otherwise. Yeah, in case you haven`t heard, the US military pays for college. And he wants to go to college to be a game designer.

[quote]Discipline...I hate that word. "Discipline" never means anything other than "following orders because you were told to."[/quote]
Try SELF-DISCIPLINE. It means being able to keep your cool in any situation, maintain control over yourself.

Like when dealing with asshats like you, have you ever wondered why most soldiers don`t just up and slug people, or scream back, etc.?

Because they have self-discipline. Because they`re man enough to just deal with it, and move on.

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Female 635
"I remember when our then Prime Minister stood up to Bush around 8 years ago and told him Canada wont get involved. We didnt bend over like England. Damn right"
Soft wood, oil, toursim, national identity, culture, and currency.
Britian may have bent over, but we`re doing the laundry and making the dinner for when America gets home from war.
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Male 1,184
Training in what? Killing?

Education you can`t get elsewhere? Not likely.

Discipline...I hate that word. "Discipline" never means anything other than "following orders because you were told to."

Pride? PRIDE? Really? If he feels pride, he obviously wanted to join the military.

If my life was so screwed up that I would JOIN THE MILITARY to forget my problems, I`d just commit suicide.

I can only think of ONE valid reason to ever join the military: You literally cannot feed yourself without doing so.
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Male 3,482
Joining a branch gives one training, education, discipline, pride, and various other things you can`t get through some half-assed civilian method.

Becoming a soldier isn`t like joining a community group. Youth centers and all that crap don`t always work, because with them, you can leave whenever you don`t feel like being there.

Becoming a soldier, a Marine especially like he did, is a commitment. You give, not your WORD, but your LIFE that you will do the duties and fulfill the responsibilities required of you. There is no half-assing anything when one becomes a Marine.

Though I doubt you would understand. Most likely you`ve never even SEEN rock bottom, let alone hit it.

I`ll put it this way. There are times when joining is not just the best, but the ONLY possible option for fixing a ruined life. And you`re saying that my friend deserves to die because he chose to turn his life around.

You`re an *sshole.
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Male 7,378
We shouldn`t be at war. Our government has no more right to send people off to lose their hands than they do telling people in far off lands how to live. We lost our collective minds after 9/11. If we had done nothing militarily we would be better off financially, more respected world wide and quite possibly would have captured or killed OBL by now.
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Male 10,855
meh it happens.
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Male 3,482
[quote]War is casualties. Too say that a war needs to end because of the casualties of that war is just ridiculous.[/quote]
Okay, how`s this for an idea?

This war needs to end, so that the casualties will end. Is that better?

Geez, STFU. I agree with you on some points, but f*cking christ, you need to learn how to argue a point...

Situations like in this post are sad, and need to stop. In order for that to happen, war (PERIOD. ALL WAR) needs to end.

[quote]Altaru, there was absolutely NOWHERE else he could get direction in life?[/quote]
Yes, and trust me, he`d tried other methods. He left home, moved to another STATE, and tried to settle his life. That failed.

This guy was probably the un-luckiest person alive. And little to none of it was his fault. But when he joined up, that all changed.

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Male 269
I remember when our then Prime Minister stood up to Bush around 8 years ago and told him Canada wont get involved. We didnt bend over like England. Damn right
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Male 9,305
smokesletsgo, grossly inappropriately hilarious.
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Male 1,184
Altaru, there was absolutely NOWHERE else he could get direction in life? If so, he would have joined to kill eventually anyway.
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Male 232
@drworm, first of all, that was a gross misquote. No one ever said "when will it end", the quote was "Dude, this war really needs to end", which I can only assume that person was saying due to the fact that there are some "f`ed up wages of war". That is just dumb. Also, I never compared soldiers to cookies. You are a drating idiot if you don`t know the difference between a comparison and an analogy. What I gave was an analogy. You bake cookies expecting them to taste good, you go to war expecting to have casualties. The analogy makes complete sense, unless you are one of these idiots that thinks that my analogy was in fact a comparison. Also, what you said about people making stupid comments is a double edged sword. I believe the op made a stupid comment, you believe I did. Either way, if you can respond to my "stupid comment", why can I not respond to hers?
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Male 662
Im sorry, but there are too many stupid people here. First War, any war, is not good...but sometimes you have to go to war. We were lied to about this war. It doesn`t mean we didn`t do good over there, but we need to get out of Iraq now. We can`t do anymore over there. Pizzaroll, the baking thing was really stupid. The comment of the person who posted the pic was not bad. He asked a good question, "When will it end?" that is not stupid. People have the right to say what they want on these boards and make themselves sound as stupid as they want. That is the freedom that we have. I fought for that freedom and I would do it again. But remember that the war is stupid, the people are not. People are not cookies. The goal of this war was not to have men and women die...think about what u said and tell me that it wasn`t stupid.
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Male 877
the war will end only when the western friendly puppet government is installed and the new iraq is open for business with the west. the people of iraq will not sell theyre country so easily...
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