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Submitted by: madest 7 years ago in

How about it I-A-B. Is ACLU message on point or off base?
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Male 478
All the law does is allow State Police to do what Federal officers do. They need to shutthefwackup and make a legitimate argument. And using children in the video is low.
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Male 549
crunkkid what a good vid man! civil vs criminal wow so clear, from the chief`s own mouth!
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Male 6,694
Whatever.
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Male 770
When my family came to the United States they had to obey the laws (register with Imigration and Nturalization Service and go through the process of becomming a citizen) I find entering the United States illegally and Breaking Those Laws insulting.
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Male 16
does anyone know where i can read the actual law? i don`t want to be misinformed...
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Male 16
I think this guy has a good point,, watch all 3 videos..

watch this
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Male 549
you completely mis the whole point, that`s why.
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Male 314
@oceanbeast
Your right I was thinking about Puerto Rico not the DR, but same story

But back to the topic
"im all for deporting those who commit crime, but not a blanket law that treats everyone like a criminal. "
Coming here illegally, is in and of itself....illegal. So why can`t we deport them? You either do things the right way or take risks and face the consequences
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Male 69
yea, im with shipyard, you ppl are idiots
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Male 549
cops profile already, you really that naive to think this bill wont let it get worse for hispanics?
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Male 630
Have any of you actually even READ the bill? Didn`t think so... Just being TOLD what to think by those who haven`t read it either. Morons.
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Male 10,855
@splurbyburbl
From Sec. 1 Amendment 14 of the USC:
"...nor shall any State deprive any person of life, liberty, or property, without due process of law; nor deny to any person within its jurisdiction the equal protection of the laws."

Notice it does not say citizen, or "person with a visa". Person here is ANYONE regardless of immigration status.

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Male 549
jib - DR is not a part of the united states.

the overwhelming majority of illegals are NOT criminals. illegals do want a "good life" they want to work for you, wash your dishes, maybe go to school, maybe even be a doctor God forbid, but they are asking to be given the rights we all share they want to assimilate as much as any other group that has emigrated, whats more american than the sopranos, the fighting irish, pizza, or fireworks. why do you want them deported? why not give them a chance to apply for papers without the fear of being deported. do you realize they might not apply if they are faced with certain deportation.

im all for deporting those who commit crime, but not a blanket law that treats everyone like a criminal.
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Male 314
@sbeelz
Erm, first of all who help makes the laws? U.S citizens. If the citizens of Arizona don`t like the state law that was recently passed, it is possible to repel. "gods" dont have the power, the citizens of Arizona do
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Male 314

@oceanbeast
I`m not sure I understood your point(I watched the video), but the U.S did have some colonies like the Dominican Republic for example, which is now part of the U.S and so people there ARE now legal citizens of the U.S.
I hope I didn`t sounds as if i was stereotyping illegals as being criminals, it`s just that in Arizona, there was a huge problem with crime and illegals. There have been multiple solutions, hell we were thinking of building a giant gate along the border. I understand some illegal immigrants just want to make a good living, but unfortunatley for the most part with illegal immigrants comes other illegal activity. If illegals really want a good life, why not try applying for citizenship? Sure it`s a hard and long process, but it`s also fair, right, and possible (assuming you haven`t done anything illegal of course)
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Male 1
I`ve go SBEELZ back. Right/Wrong is not equal to legal/illegal.
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Male 2,868
I`m tired of people arguing that coming into this country illegally is WRONG. Oooh- they crossed an imaginary line without permission from the government. That`s sure WRONG. There is a difference between wrong and illegal. To believe that breaking the law is inherently wrong is bestowing godlike powers on those who make the law.
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Male 549
jib - do you not think your "solution" is a bit simple to solve such a complex problem?

not all immigrants are involved in criminal activity, why are you generalizing before realizing how stupid that sounds.

if you have balls watch this and get educated by an immigrant

european americans
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Male 314
There is NO way to protect an ILLEGAL immigrant. What they did is wrong and what they`re associated with is even worse (Human trafficking, drugs, kidnapping, etc.). We simply deport them back to where ever they came from and since there has been alot of crime associated with illegal immigrants wouldn`t it be wise to say oh I don`t know GET RID OF THEM? aka deport them
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Male 549
vajayjay - your comment is exactly what i mean. you sit on your laptop, air conditioned, sipping a cold drink, in your nice home, in a nice neighborhood and you think its just so easy to start a revolution or break the chains of an enslaving government. these people come here out of desperation, of a need to survive, to watch their children have something they never had themselves.
this law is not only bullpoo, its racist and in clear violation of the constitution.
who do you think me a Hispanic (though a citizen) or a Caucasian immigrant is going to be harassed first?
do you even know how important these people are to the economy? YES you are willing to work them, pay them less, discriminate them. but when they ask for recognition, when they want their rights you just want them to leave,well it dosent work that way.
who do you think was here before the united states, before the corporations. they want their rights.
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Female 56
sorry I didn`t read this for awhile and I hope oceanbeast reads my reply to his comment. If the people in those countries are so bad off than why don`t they do something about it? Just about every other well developed country had to have some sort of revolution to become what they were. This country should not have to take it up the butt because of their corrupt governments. There are way more citizens than police.
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Male 2,796
Madest: True, but my major point here is... what`s the answer? If illegal immigrants are a problem, but A) nobody likes amnesty B) Nobody likes what Arizona is doing C) nobody likes rounding them up and deporting them D) Nobody wants to close our borders completely, etc. etc. Then what is the answer?

Arizona is on the right track only in that they are at least doing something nobody has yet done. That is, having the sack to make a decision and stick to it because they realize one answer will not make everyone happy. Truth be told I don`t even like it totally, but I respect their perseverance and fortitude for doing something that takes guts. Like I said before, more power to them for making a decision and enforcing it.
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Female 320
Auburn junky,

The oil spill isn`t in the news nearly as much, but it`s still a big problem. It`s not about people getting smart, it`s about our short attention spans.
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Male 5,624
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All that was to say, I`m having trouble making my product inexpensive enough to export >>probably because I`m just outside of Detroit<< so, ultimately, I have to admit that I completely understand your position on entitlement.

2) Very few good things came of the policies of the moralists:
- Pro: mandatory education/public education/child labor law(which really did CAUSE suffering at the beginning)
- Con: Attitude toward marijuana prevented it`s medical use from being taken seriously until recently.
I`d have to say that apart from trying to motivate people into legalized distribution of those substances for medical use at least, you have to assure people that today`s violent drug lords would not become tomorrow`s Kennedys (Yeah, I went there. Look it up.)
At that, does anyone know if a medical spliff costs less than one from a mojo?
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Male 5,624
goaliejerry
Yes, I do. My point was about context.

Cajun
1) I understand why the minimum wage is in place. In my own endeavor, I intend to employ more automation than average in order to pay more to fewer people.
I`ve also been trying to design the first product completely out of US material if not parts that can be bought within 60 miles of my home. It`s not working out. So much so the first machine I`ve purchased, the tool that will make the tools, was made in China.
After I finished weeping openly, my partner assured me that I am not a traitorous, broke-dicked dog because I intend to put Americans, namely him, into very real, tech manufacturing positions.
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Male 153
We do not have a right to be on this soil. We are immigrants. This is a land stolen and raped. Look at the celebration for our "independence" We set poo from china on fire, swill beer, and throw garbage all over the streets. We are a nation of weasels. Your patriotism is a joke. your beliefs are a joke. you whole life is a joke.
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Male 10,338
No it doesn`t madest.

You are trolling. The very reason Arizona isn`t in the news anymore, is because everyone has figured out that what they are doing is not wrong, or bad.

The people who continue to talk about it are either trolls, or weak minded liberal sheep.
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Male 7,378
splurbyburbl, You`re not that dense. The constitution applies to all Americans. For the police to determine if person A is American they need to ask him for proof of citizenship. The constitution allows all Americans the right freely move around the country without carrying proof of citizenship. the AZ law does not just require illegal aliens to carry papers but by default requires all people to carry papers. Nazi Germany circa 1930`s.
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Male 2,796
@MADEST:

So you`re saying that our Constitution applies to foreign countries? I mean, illegal immigrants are people on our soil from foreign countries, right? So, if our constitution applies to everyone as you say, but these people in question have no legal right to be on our soil, then I suppose our constitution should apply everywhere since according to you, there is no line drawn. Perhaps we should go liberate North Korea?

I suppose I can waltz into your house and just make myself at home without you objecting right? According to your logic, I have a right to everything you have a right to, and that includes your living space.

But, no... that would be illegal of me to do that, just like it would be illegal for me to go to Germany without any registration or papers and just decide to live there. It`s simple and very complete logic here.
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Male 2,796
I love all the comments protecting illegal immigrants. They`re illegal, you have no argument.

Any argument you try all we have to say is, "they`re illegal" and suddenly you have nothing to stand on, unless you want to protect illegal people. Why don`t you just hide known fugitives too? Or defend rapists or drug traffickers. All those people are doing things illegal too. I suppose all of them have a right to rape, kill or rob? Well, nobody has the right to be here illegally either.

But go ahead and try to impress your crazy, twisted brand of logic on a simple situation. You can`t make everyone happy, so good on AZ for at least trying to take the hard road and do what must be done.
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Female 92
Jesus christ people stop complaining... you have no problem allowing illegals do all the dirty working picking our fruits and veggies, mowing our lawns, building our homes, cleaning up our homes, and taking care of your children... all while paying them less then minimum wage only so they can have a better life for their families. You complain about them being here well I would like to see you do their jobs.

If you were living in mexico with all the gangs wars and crime going on, I am sure moving to america illegally wouldn`t be such a bad idea.
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Male 24
Arizonafag here.

I for one think the law is bullpoo and that Jan Brewer is a paranoid mean person. Most of us in AZ feel the same. In all honesty though, it doesn`t really change a whole lot. Read for yourself, its linked below.

I had a couple of cops at my table (I`m a server) the other day and asked them what they thought. Most of `em hate it, not because its BS or unconstitutional, but because they`re drated either way. If they don`t enforce it, they lose their job. If they enforce it, it`s a lawsuit. In fact, Pima County Sheriff Dpt. publicly announced on the news that they have no intention of enforcing the law

And yes, our store does employ illegals and they`re not all bad, but we keep the cholo punkasses from ever gettin in the door. Hehe, one guy even made up his Social and is now payin some other dudes child support XD

BTW: All you dumbasses boycotting Arizona Tea, it`s made, owned, and operated in NY.

Male 1
First off, illegal aliens do not pay taxes unless they are using a legal resident`s identity, which in itself is illegal to do. If you don`t have a social security number or an alien id number, you`re not legally allowed to work in the United States, period. So any illegal alien in the United States that is employed somewhere is breaking the law either by not paying taxes or by using a false identity. And that is on top of breaking the law by being here illegally. The immigration system in this country is pooty, there is no question about that, but it still has to be followed until it is revamped. I have no sympathy for people who come here illegally using the excuse that their country is awful. If your country is so pooty, then do something about it. Your government, not the United State`s government, exists to serve your needs. If your government is not serving the needs of your people, then your people need to change your government by what ever means necessary. Not ours.
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Female 683
I totally don`t have a problem with people from other countries. Not a problem at ALL. But if you wanna live in this country, just become a legal citizen. Stop making things difficult. =.= You can`t expect to have the privileges of a citizen if you don`t take part in society like the rest of us.
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Male 280
I’m Mexican and I understand the reason some people need to migrate for economic reasons. I feel bad for the people who will have to relocate. But I have a big problem with politicians (American and Mexican) trying to influence the decision of another sovereign state. Majority of Arizonans support this law so there you go. Either influence / convince the Arizonans to change their mind or mind your own laws so it doesnt happen on your jurisdiction. People should have the right to have the laws they want where they live right or wrong.
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Male 1,184
Gerry, if you spoke a single word in Mexico half the people would shoot you.
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Male 1,184
kitkat, not ALL illegals get paid under the table. Maybe the ones you know do. But definitely not all of them. Employers include their illegal employees` taxes in their own taxes, then the employees pay the employers. And some of them who do pay MORE taxes than legal citizens with the same income, because some employers charge a fee for allowing them to remain working.
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Male 39,619
And where in the U.S. Constitution does it guarantee people in other countries the right to break out laws to gain entry and stay indeffinately?

If I tried that in Mexico they`d just shoot my ass.
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Male 1,548
Cops` response to being handed a copy of the constitution: "Where in this document does it say anything that would deter me from performing my duty?"
While I disagree with the law, this campaign doesn`t solve the problem and makes a mockery of the constitution.
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Female 12
*xXamwxxXx* Actually they don`t pay taxes bud, they get paid under the table meaning its a cash transaction. how do I know? my ex was illegal and worked under the table at a restuarant. Also my mom works for a company that employs illegals and they get paid under the table. So no taxes there.
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Male 15,832
What part of "illegal" don`t these libtards understand?
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Male 5,194
Goddamn Jan Brewer fFcukking #$%& commie shi+#%@ btch lousy beezy wobble pegaloomer #$%& rassafracking rickafricker!!!!
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Male 2
Sorry last sentence was cut off...

However, this issue has never been directly decided by the U.S. Supreme Court.
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Male 2
According to the Constitution`s 14th Amendment, ratified in 1868 to ensure citizenship for the newly emancipated African Americans, "all persons, born or naturalized in the United States, and subject to the jurisdiction thereof, are citizens of the United States." The phrase "subject to the jurisdiction thereof" was intended to exclude from automatic citizenship American-born persons whose allegiance to the United States was incomplete. For example, Native Americans were excluded from American citizenship because of their tribal jurisdiction. Also not subject to American jurisdiction were foreign visitors, ambassadors, consuls, and their babies born here. In the case of illegal aliens, their native country has a claim of allegiance on the child. Therefore, some Constitutional scholars argue that the completeness of the allegiance to the United States is impaired and logically precludes automatic citizenship. However, this issue has never been directly decided b
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Male 285
drkitty, illegals pay taxes too. Probably more then your young ass. U think they`re paychecks are tax exempt or something?
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Female 171
ugh i`m tired of this crap. if you are in America ILLEGALLY, you cannot hide behind the American constitution. what the cops really need to do is start asking white people for papers so the idiots of the aclu can stop bitching about "racial profiling."
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Male 554
Arizona = Nazi Germany, wow what a throw back in time. Very Sad.
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Male 1,371
that was retarded.
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Male 1,184
DrKitty... are you stupid, or just ignorant?
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Female 531
i don`t think the constitution applies to you if you came here illegally. o.0
pay some taxes
then we`ll talk.
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Male 141
" Just because you break a law doesn`t make you a criminal."

"actually that would be the definition."

INNOCENT UNTIL PROVEN GUILTY FOOL!
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Male 645
" Just because you break a law doesn`t make you a criminal."

actually that would be the definition.
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Male 645
I like it. I tell a cop to get drated whenever I have the chance(without disorderly conduct) and all they have to do is show him this.. I might go buy one.
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Male 877
adolf hitler would have been proud of you!...the chosen people!
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Male 549
"I`m all for immigration. We have so much rich culture here in America because people from all over the world move here. Just be here legally!"

that is such a cop out PC comment, you dont care why people come here as long as its legal. what if legal means spending a years salary on paperwork that will take up to 5 years to complete meanwhile your children are starving, and you work a 17 hour shift for a NIKE sweatshop. yeah you are all for LEGAL immigration but you couldn`t care less if American corporations exploit their countries weak labor laws. yeah everything is just dandy as long as you dont see it
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Male 25,417
silly!
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Male 549
people don`y understand that illegal immigrants come here partially (and by partially i mean mostly) because America has drated and raped central and south america for a long time. American corps go down there break pollution laws, have child labor, inhumane worker conditions, sweatshops. they exploit the working class and pay no consequences, that working class in turn is put between a rock and a hard place, they come here seeking freedom and justice. you are stupid if you think its easy to come here "legally", its not and its REALLY expensive. the ones who are here should be given a chance to stay but ultimately make a cutoff date, file for papers and wait in line or dont file and be deported. the immigration is permanently broken we need a new system completely.
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Male 2,700
@Tay-Dor
Actually no, the new law is ANYONE that MIGHT look like they may be an illegal. This is counter productive as Russians, Ukranians, French, English, and many many other countries have WHITE PEOPLE in them. This is racial profiling hiding under the guise of homeland security.
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Female 56
I`m all for immigration. We have so much rich culture here in America because people from all over the world move here. Just be here legally!
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Male 10,855
@Tay-Dor
As if the death penalty has prevented people from killing?
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Male 10,855
My point exactly madest. The higher-ups want to reap most of the profit, they will do anything to achieve this.
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Male 265
SillyBella: 10 years, 5 years? Doesn`t matter. They came in illegally, they should be kicked out. We need to send a strong message of "Come here legally, or not at all."
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Male 265
Goalie: You misunderstand the law, as they can`t pull you over just to check your papers. You have to be breaking some other law first.
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Female 136
I don`t agree with this law but the thing that frustrates me is that not many people actually know the rules of it. You CANNOT be pulled over for looking like an illegal immigrant. The ONLY way they can LEGALLY ask for your papers is if you have been legally stopped and detained for a different offense. Yes this law will be abused. I personally hate the idea that one illegal immigrant is just like another. What about the people who have lived here 10 plus years and have families? Should they be deported just like the drug dealers who are the real problem in this situation? Sure maybe it would have been better if they had come here legally in the first place but that`s not exactly an easy process. Just because you break a law doesn`t make you a criminal. Just wanted to show the other side of the argument. Don`t really agree but hey what is the point of a one sided debate? And I hate ignorance... not that any of you are ignorant I just like people to be informed.
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Male 1,625
Horale!!
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Male 10,855
Keynes (in reference to Says) said that supply creates it`s own demand. So long as there is cannabis, heroin, cocaine people are going to get their high. Since we`ve abolished the 18th amendment we`ve barely heard about any organized crime being funded with alcohol.
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Male 10,855
You tell`em hombres!

@Codejockey
Things that would reduce these problems drastically.
1)Abolish the minimum wage (gasp).
2)Get rid of federal regulation of controlled substances and move to state regulations.

Reasons for #1: I swear there are Americans (and other people) who believe they are entitled their wages or to a certain level payment. They`re not. It is why our products are made in China, tech support is India, and why illegals are working in this country. Corporations want to keep costs low.
Reasons for #2: Travel back to the 1920s. Prohibition had the opposite effect of what was intended. People drank more and organized crime went up. Back to today, organized crime has gone up and is successful simply because the US has only cut off one avenue of access to a product.
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Male 1,184
If the 4th amendment rights say that police are not allowed to use their own judgment rather than orders from superiors, yes, I am willing to give up my 4th amendment rights.
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Male 4,014
"Sounds great, but the AMERICAN civil liberties union isn`t protecting AMERICANS"

You clearly do not understand the debate at all. The PROBLEM with the law is that it is INEVITABLE that US CITIZENS will be ILLEGALLY detained by law enforcement under the law, because they will look suspiciously like Illegal Immigrants. THAT IS NOT OK, EVER.

Further, and this is the Amazing thing - The power to regulate immigration is the SOLE province of the FEDERAL GOVERNMENT. Thats not debatable, its well established law.

DID YOU KNOW - the same dude who authored this unconstitutional law ALSO plans to introduce a state law DENYING CITIZENSHIP TO THE CHILDREN OF ILLEGAL IMMIGRANTS BORN IN THE US. The Constitution is CRYSTAL CLEAR that anyone born in the U.S. is a U.S. Citizen, BUT THIS DUDE DOESN`T CARE!!! Arizona has NO POWER to deny citizenship to children born here, yet the author of this bill THINKS THEY DO.



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Male 4,014
"I`d say that the mistake of the video is having people display the Constitution rather than the Bill of Rights."


Ummm, you know that the Bill of Rights is IN the Constitution, right?
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Female 1,008
Three thumbs up.
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Male 1,054
"Rancid, if you want to get technical, the United States Constitution applies to the people that signed it and ratified it, all of whom are currently dead."

No. Read it sometime. Rancidgore is wrong as well though.
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Male 1,184
Er, suspicion of illegal* immigration.
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Male 1,184
madest, what is "probable cause" for suspicion of immigration? It can`t be anything except suspicion.
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Female 15,763
Has anyone else noticed that Arizona is becoming the new Florida in terms of embarrassing news?
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Female 5,222
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Male 1,184
Rancid, if you want to get technical, the United States Constitution applies to the people that signed it and ratified it, all of whom are currently dead.
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Male 5
The United States Constitution does not apply to people who are unlawfully in our country.
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Male 5,624
I`d say that the mistake of the video is having people display the Constitution rather than the Bill of Rights.
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Male 5,624
"I`d glad show my ID to any policeman in any state, If it would end the ILLEGAL aliens & drug traffic across our borders."
1. The majority of illegals just want a regular job. Most of those jobs are not running your factory or engineering your systems; They are working for companies that are in the US and some are making your food less expensive. There is probably value in helping THESE people become citizens, eh?

2. You being the gun rights/law and order buff that you are, I`d think you`d see that it goes both ways, especially since you are old enough to have seen the first 14 minutes of or, at least, heard of Born in East LA.
The joke that was this movie is now potentially real for the people in the ACLU`s shabbily shot video.

I`d say that the mistake of the video is having people display the Constitution
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Female 12
Wow why are so many people misinformed? This video depicts a completely wrong perception of the new law. It`s exactly what "Defiythelie" said.
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Male 1,184
Corpse: Apparently you don`t realize police ARE ALREADY ALLOWED TO DO THAT EVERYWHERE IN THE US. In Arizona, they are now LEGALLY REQUIRED TO DO SO.
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Female 165
@defiythelie You`re 100% right. I think at least 80% of the people fighting against this law, have not read it. It`s exactly what the Feds do, except now AZ doesn`t have to wait for a Fed agent to show up and do something, they can handle the immigration laws themselves now.
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Male 8,447
revdrdark>"the AZ law is unconstitutional because it violates the Ninth and Tenth Amendments, which guarantee the Sovereignty of the Republic in dealing with matters of immigration."

Regardless of the constitutionality of the AZ Law, what is a state under siege supposed to do when the FEDERAL authorities are negligent in doing their job for the sole reason that they want to stay in power and the people illegally entering the country are potential votes?

There is nothing unconstitutional about a law enforcement officer asking for identification of people detained in normal duties. Take a car stop. A US resident is required to have a license (I.D.) on his person while operating the vehicle. If not a citizen, a legal immigrant is requires BY law to carry certain identifying papers. Thus, the only ones who will/can not display ID can reasonably be considered `illegal` until otherwise proven.

No constitutional issue here.
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Male 782
@defiythelie Thanks for typing that out and saving me a few seconds. :D
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Male 78
Ninth Amendment (Protection of rights not specifically enumerated in the Constitution.)
The enumeration in the Constitution, of certain rights, shall not be construed to deny or disparage others retained by the people.

Tenth Amendment (Powers of States and people.)
The powers not delegated to the United States by the Constitution, nor prohibited by it to the States, are reserved to the States respectively, or to the people.

@revdrdark There`s the text of the 9th and 10th amendments . . . nothing about immigration rights being reserved for the "Republic." In fact, the 10th says that as long as the constitution doesn`t say that *only* the federal government can do something, the states are allowed to do it. (That`s an oversimplification of what actually goes on, but that`s the gist of what the 10th amendment says.)
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Male 928
Hey I am against people illegally entering our country but this law DOES allow cops to just walk up and ask you if your a citizen based on "suspicion" alone. The law is so loosely written that it begs to be abused. We all know cops abuse any and every loosely written law they can at all times.

But aside from that. Why do we even need another law when we already have plenty of laws that cover all of this. Why do police need to do the same job we already have another agency assigned to? Wouldn`t this be immigrations job...
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Male 1,184
Defie: The difference is that police are legally required to check for identification according to the Arizona law. Everywhere else, they are allowed to, but not legally required.

So... if anything, it`s removing the rights of police, not anyone else.
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Male 230
Some people are so stupid, the law in Arizona is clone of a federal law that states law enforcement must verify identity and citizenship during an investigation, traffic stop, arrest or when a crime has been broken. This law does not allow them to walk around asking for ID. Also the practice of a law just lie this is in use already, When a cop pulls you over they usually get the ID of everyone in the car to verify the driver can legally drive and him as well as all passengers have no warrants, This law is the same but they also check for citizenship. Nothing wrong with trying to find out who is breaking the law by being here.
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Male 3,431
Sounds great, but the AMERICAN civil liberties union isn`t protecting AMERICANS.

The purpose of the law is not to make life here miserable for residents. It`s purpose is to keep people who have already broken the damned law out of the country.

The ACLU does *NOT* represent ME!
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Male 690
I must respectfully disagree with you, Keyh. While the ACLU ad is an oversimplification of the problems brought on by this law, the Constitution does address immigration, which was common at the time, and there was no "process of naturalization"

...But the AZ law is unconstitutional because it violates the Ninth and Tenth Amendments, which guarantee the Sovereignty of the Republic in dealing with matters of immigration.
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Male 305
No actually everyone doesn`t realize this; thank you keyh, i did not realize that until about a week ago. I went from believing it was the most horrible unconstitutional mess to think it was brilliant in about 30 seconds after hearing it. Unfortunately a lot of people have been given a lot of misinformation about the nature of the law.
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Male 108
Yes they do defend some far out cases at times but we need organizations like the ACLU to check lawmakers. If they receive no challenges, the rights abuses would be even worse.
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Male 730
Ha dumbass
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Male 10,338
@keyh:

I think everyone knows this. The left would like for you not to though.
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Male 226
This makes absolutely no sense.

First, the constitution gives rights to citizens, not people in the country.

Second, police officers CANNOT walk up to someone and ask them for their "papers" they must already be breaking the law.

People need to see a proctologist to help find their head and then actually read the law.
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Male 316
@baal
stfu then.
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Male 316
ACLU = wingnuts, doorknobs, slimeballs and on
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Male 2,796
Once again the ACLU fails at persuading me that their cause is just.
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Male 1,220
This doesn`t make any sense.
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Male 5,314
hmmm...i had no idea that illegal immigrants had rights in a country they`re not from. i wonder if i could go to another country and do the same?
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Male 48
seems to me like arizona is just following ammendment 14 and treating all PERSONS equally under the law by enforcing CITIZENSHIP. these are two different words. citizens, and persons with visas/residence status have the RIGHT to be here. those doing so illegally are criminals. and don`t use the "well your ancestors were immigrants too" excuse. yes they were, they were LEGAL IMMIGRANTS
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Male 2,549
*sigh* This was nonsense, surely there is a better way to prove a point then with a non-argument!
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Male 10,338
@baal:

What do you mean by that?

Most of these responses are pro constitution.

This video uses it wrong.
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Male 10,338
"Who follows that old constitution balderdash anymore?"

Hopefully your peers if you ever go to jail.
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Male 4,546
As a non American, I couldn`t care less about the constitution.

I didn`t realize Americans felt the same way, at least when it`s convenient.
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Male 10,338
This is stupid.

From the first statement, this whole video is misinformed, and a waste of time.
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Male 519
lol its messed up that the cops do it but it makes sense that they made that law, things are starting to get pretty bad with illegal immigrants.
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Male 1,929
Interesting catch-22 with regards to whether they`re citizens or not. Guess we`ll never know.
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Male 1,021
That was a waste of time. What was the point, anyway? That the US constitution allows says there in no border? That the constitution says it`s ok to break the law? Or that the constitution says what? I don`t get it. Why is this even posted here?
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Male 448
Who follows that old constitution balderdash anymore?
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Female 318
I think they make a good point. No, illegal immigrants are not protected by the constitution, but they have no real basis on which to assume that any one of those people are not citizens.
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Male 1,011
Well that was stupid.

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Male 17,512
I`d glad show my ID to any policeman in any state, If it would end the ILLEGAL aliens & drug traffic across our borders.
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Male 953
Sorry that only applies to Citizens. Don`t let the gate hit you in the ass on the way out.
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Male 139
hey don`t even make a point in this video. Showing people holding up the constitution means nothing, especially if they are illegal. The constitution protects CITIZENS of the US. Not just people who break in cause they feel like it. Anyways, if I get stopped by the cops I have to show my "papers" (drivers license), why do illegals think they shouldn`t have to show theirs?
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Male 7,378
Link: Show Us Your Papers [Rate Link] - How about it I-A-B. Is ACLU message on point or off base?
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