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103 Responses to Mexico Jumps On Board, Also Sues Arizona

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    Gerry1of1 Male 50-59
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    July 20, 2010 at 3:06 pm
    Link: Mexico Jumps On Board, Also Sues Arizona - Mexico joins suit against Arizona`s Immigration Law, citing `grave concerns.` This one`s gonna be a battle royale!
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    madest Male 40-49
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    July 20, 2010 at 4:16 pm
    Yeah that`s not a good move. Only gives ammo to the teabaggers.
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    Nidonemo Male 18-29
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    July 20, 2010 at 4:18 pm
    ...wait...Mexico, a country that is not within the USA, is suing a state in the USA?

    So...if Japan pisses me off, I can sue them from here?
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    Fatninja01 Male 30-39
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    July 20, 2010 at 4:21 pm
    wow, wait why mexico
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    idontknow951 Male 18-29
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    July 20, 2010 at 4:25 pm
    "So...if Japan pisses me off, I can sue them from here? "

    Well, it`s an ocean and a continent from you...
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    Rick_S Male 40-49
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    July 20, 2010 at 4:27 pm
    I am opposed to the law in question, but you really need to mind your own damn business, Mexico.
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    ScottSerious Male 18-29
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    July 20, 2010 at 4:27 pm
    anyone wanna sue mexico for being hypocritical whining babies?
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    Rick_S Male 40-49
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    July 20, 2010 at 4:28 pm
    And, yes, I can see how some people might say it is their business, since most of the people targeted are coming from Mexico. However, the law in question is about Arizona policy dealing with illegal aliens. Not really Mexico`s business.
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    Siyanor Male 18-29
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    July 20, 2010 at 4:30 pm
    "Amnesty International recently issued a report claiming illegal immigrants in Mexico -- typically from Central America -- face abuse, rape and kidnappings, and that Mexican police do little to stop it."

    Lawl. The Mexican police are the ones beating and murdering illegal central American immigrants.
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    clp2010 Female 30-39
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    July 20, 2010 at 4:40 pm
    lawl!!

    Its Mexico, we`ll just tell them we don`t habla when they serve us with papers.
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    Siyanor Male 18-29
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    July 20, 2010 at 4:45 pm
    clp, you`re forgetting that most Mexicans who actually bothered to learn English speak it far better than the vast majority of native English speakers.
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    goaliejerry Male 30-39
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    July 20, 2010 at 4:51 pm
    WRONG, FALSE, JESUS CHRIST. Jesus Christ people, you have know FoxNews THINKS YOU ARE STUPID.

    Mexico did NOT "file suit," or "join" the suit as a party. It couldn`t, and it didn`t.

    It filed an "amicus curiae" ("friend of the court") brief. LOOK IT UP.

    These are informational briefs submitted often by public interest groups. For example, in an abortion case, Planned Parenthood as well as National Right to Life Committee will offer the court their views.

    Does FoxNews use the words "amicus curie" ONCE in its article? NOPE, but it does allude to it:

    Quote: "It will be up to a U.S. District Court judge to decide whether to accept the brief along with similar ones submitted by various U.S. organizations."

    THAT IS WHAT HAPPENS WHEN NON-PARTIES SUBMIT AMICI BRIEFS, the court can accept or reject.
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    clp2010 Female 30-39
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    July 20, 2010 at 4:51 pm
    Siyanor: I live in a border town in Arizona. I deal with them on a daily basis as well as travel to Mexicali on a regular basis. I hear "you have someone espeeka espanish?" on an hourly basis at my job.


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    goaliejerry Male 30-39
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    July 20, 2010 at 4:55 pm
    Again, its NOT joining, or suing. It merely filed an amicus brief.

    AMICUS CURIAE - F*CKING LOOK IT UP.

    Wikipedia is accurate: "The situation most often noted in the press is when an advocacy group files a brief in a case before an appellate court to which it is not a litigant." link

    NOT A LITIGANT.

    Goddamnit you dishonest f*cks
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    goaliejerry Male 30-39
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    July 20, 2010 at 5:03 pm
    Mexico and the ADL Each File Amicus Briefs in Anti-SB 1070 Lawsuit

    "Amicus briefs are filed by those not a party to the case, but who have reason to believe the outcome will impact them in some way. They offer testimony from an interested source, and often argue for one result or another. "

    THATS how you report "news," with facts and full disclosure. You DON`T hide the ball hoping ignorant Tea Baggers won`t seek verification from an unbiased source.

    The only people who don`t admit FoxNews is a tool of the Republican Party are Republicans.
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    goaliejerry Male 30-39
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    July 20, 2010 at 5:07 pm
    BTW - Despite the fact that article is misleading on its face, its SUPPORTS the DOJs contention that Arizona`s immigration laws are interfering with international relations, lending credence to its claim that Field Preemption should apply.

    "Mexico`s brief contends that SB 1070 will hurt trade and tourism between the U.S. and Mexico, derail the drive for comprehensive immigration reform, and disrupt a U.S.-Mexico partnership to combat the drug cartels." Link

    Arizona is SINGLE-HANDEDLY DISRUPTING FOREIGN RELATIONS. Don`t you right wingers see how its a problem to have one state making laws that affect our relations with foreign countries????
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    sender02 Male 18-29
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    July 20, 2010 at 5:09 pm
    So, translated from legal terms to plain english, Mexico is going to one of the courts handling the "Arizona Immigration Law" case and giving them their opinion on the matter?

    That is one of the most hypocritical things they have done in a while.

    Why don`t they keep their damn opinions to themeselves and try dealing with their end of the immigration problem, or make it so that their immigration law isn`t a damn mirror image of the bill their protesting?
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    goaliejerry Male 30-39
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    July 20, 2010 at 5:10 pm
    The title of this post is so misleading and FALSE it should be changed. Mexico is NOT "suing," not even the article says that.
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    goaliejerry Male 30-39
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    July 20, 2010 at 5:11 pm
    sender02 - its actually a federal foreign relations matter, whether people understand why or not.
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    sender02 Male 18-29
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    July 20, 2010 at 5:13 pm
    By the way, goaliejerry, the forign relations we have with Mexico are sh*t. The only time I ever hear about mexico from ANY news organization is when the immigration problem gets worse or when their president sticks his damn nose in our buisness while his country turns into one big organized crime ring.
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    sender02 Male 18-29
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    July 20, 2010 at 5:16 pm
    however I do agree that the title of the article should be changed in order to avoid confusing other IABers
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    goaliejerry Male 30-39
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    July 20, 2010 at 5:18 pm
    Fine sender, lets throw out the Constitution. Who cares? USA Rules! Mexico sucks! Who do they think they are being a sovereign nation who shares a common border with us, who do billions of dollars in trade with us and who at any one moment has admitted countless American Citizens for tourism or business while millions of their are in our country, legally or otherwise?

    Nope, Mexico needs to mind their own business!
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    sender02 Male 18-29
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    July 20, 2010 at 5:21 pm
    I`ll give a damn about forign relations with Mexico the day that they respond in kind. But so long as they refuse to cooperate with us I don`t consider the topic worthy of our time when our country has so many other domestic issues to address.
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    goaliejerry Male 30-39
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    July 20, 2010 at 5:22 pm
    I do agree with you - Mexico does, in fact, suck balls.
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    Luniz82 Male 18-29
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    July 20, 2010 at 5:22 pm
    drat that we should SUE them for allowing their citizens to cross the boarder illegally.
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    sender02 Male 18-29
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    July 20, 2010 at 5:22 pm
    And for the record I`m not suggesting that we completly abandon trade with them, merely that I as an American refuse to appeal to any random hypocritical desire they express to us.
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    iceblack Male 18-29
    551 posts
    July 20, 2010 at 5:25 pm
    My country (Yes, Mexico) needs to effing
    mind it`s own business, stop the 10 - 20
    daily murderers and actually do something
    to be a better place

    USA on the other hand, needs to stop being
    such a pus... and understand that illegal
    workers do a lot for economy, maybe some
    foreign groups don`t behave properly, but
    that`s just the way it is... No matter who
    those people are

    Just saying
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    BigWaFuu Male 18-29
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    July 20, 2010 at 5:26 pm
    Honestly? If I walk up to you and ask "how are you doing?" and you mutter in reply "no, is okay" and walk off? Yeah, that`s reasonable suspicion.
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    sender02 Male 18-29
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    July 20, 2010 at 5:27 pm
    Illegal immigrants do not help our economy. Find me a hospital in a border area that is not up to its eyeballs in debt or shutting down.
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    iceblack Male 18-29
    551 posts
    July 20, 2010 at 5:30 pm
    Do you happen to know a little thing
    called "Credit"? Is just a minor issue
    in the modern world...

    That`s when people don`t have any money,
    either because they are unemployed or earn
    the minimum (Or less) and people decide,
    "Hey, let`s just give the service/article
    and they can pays us latter"...

    Then, you know what happens? Crisis happens!
    It`s the own hospital`s fault. If you don`t
    have the money, do how you can...

    And the Obama comes with Universal Health Care,
    lol... good luck America
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    Fuego Male 40-49
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    July 20, 2010 at 5:47 pm
    I know you asked for one, but is two okay?

    Rio Grande Regional Hospital in McAllen, TX
    Mission Regional Medical Center in Mission, TX
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    trippyhippy9 Male 18-29
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    July 20, 2010 at 5:55 pm
    We need to make mexico a state.
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    Seastone Female 18-29
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    July 20, 2010 at 6:22 pm
    That`s the pot calling the kettle black if anything ever was. I hope someday the corruption in Mexico will decline and it can become a slightly more functional nation with better protection of rights for its citizens and such, but in the mean time, how can they really blame Americans for not wanting their problems on our soil?
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    jg0nz Male 18-29
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    July 20, 2010 at 6:25 pm
    Any law that lets Police detain someone because they "have a hunch" should really scare people,of any race.

    Imagine if Mexicans spoke English and were white..

    Here`s to answer the Questions about Illegal Immigrants and Our Economy:
    Click
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    slayer50515 Male 18-29
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    July 20, 2010 at 6:29 pm
    Oh a Fox News article. We all know how ACCURATE and HONEST Fox News is.
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    ElSombrero Male 13-17
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    July 20, 2010 at 6:55 pm
    Kind of ridiculous that Mexico even has a chance of suing a US state in a US court.

    Even if I don`t agree with the law.

    Though something needs to be done. I know tons and tons of illegal immigrants who don`t work and recieve a ton of money from the state.

    if you want to come here and work hard, please do, I welcome you.

    if you want to come here and sit around, please leave. We have enough of you.

    ...That goes for any race/nationality.
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    mykunter Male 40-49
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    July 20, 2010 at 6:57 pm
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    lerie Female 18-29
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    July 20, 2010 at 6:59 pm
    "We need to make mexico a state."

    More like we need to get back what a stupid president gave away. You know, Texas, New Mexico, California...
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    bigserg Male 18-29
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    July 20, 2010 at 7:23 pm
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    Gerry1of1 Male 50-59
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    July 20, 2010 at 7:26 pm
    @lerie . . . WHICH stupid president gave it away?

    Reagan with his amnesty program?
    Bush with NAFTA?
    Clinton with his "Path to Citizenship"?
    Bush with his failed amnesty?
    Obama with his too-many-to-list-here?

    They ALL sold us down the river for cheep labor.
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    Gerry1of1 Male 50-59
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    July 20, 2010 at 7:28 pm
    If Mexico can sue Arizona.... can I sue India for their child labor {slavery} laws?
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    Gerry1of1 Male 50-59
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    July 20, 2010 at 7:37 pm
    so, to continue where the arguement.... I mean `debate` left off . . .

    the meat packing plant I referred to in the earlier thread, the one that paid $16.50 to citizens in 1980 but now pays >$8.00 to illegal alliens...

    someone asked why a union wasn`t formed. The plan WAS a union job. The company closed it`s doors... and re-opened 60 days later under a differant name {Same owners}. This allowed them to bypass Union rules. And yes, there was a protest, but how long can you carry a picket sign when no one had a job. Eventually, people had to go elsewhere for lower paying jobs.

    And NO... the I-Phone did not make all this better.
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    Siyanor Male 18-29
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    July 20, 2010 at 7:39 pm
    I assumed you were talking about the Mexican GOVERNMENT, clp, because that would, you know, make sense.
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    clp2010 Female 30-39
    126 posts
    July 20, 2010 at 7:56 pm
    Siyanor: I`ve dealt with both it`s citizens and the Mexican government. I`m not impressed.

    P.S. They don`t exactly habla so good either down there, but try asking them for someone to espeeka Engrish, and they`ll go just as high and to the right as we do when someone asks us to provide a Mexican.

    Mexican government demanding a damn thing from the U.S. is a big crock of crap. You go down to Ensenada to party and you run the risk of policia beating the crap out of you, tossing you in jail and permanently keeping your car. Without so much as a fare the well.

    They can weep and moan all they want. The only reason they have issues with SB1070 is abuela is gonna have to go back to Chihuahua and who`s gonna cook those chorizo con huevo burritos in the morning then?!


    For the record,I`m neither white, nor a born citizen, so forgive me if I find it hard to sympathize with people wanting to be here illegally and force us into accepting it and subsidizin
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    ghettoelf Male 18-29
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    July 20, 2010 at 8:16 pm
    First of all...

    ...even if you win a suit against a body, that body has to have something for you to take, otherwise you onlyhave self-satisfaction that you`ve won...whatever against this body. What thel hell does Arizona have that our government won`t get through taxes and the Mexican government would want?

    Second, one of the main points of Mexico`s fear is that: ""Mexican citizens will be afraid to visit Arizona for work or pleasure out of concern that they will be subject to unlawful police scrutiny and detention," the brief said." That`s right out of the article. But, when these people are stopped and questioned for their documents, they`ll produce a valid passport or traveler`s visa, which will liberate them of any charges. We Americans get asked for our ID`s and papers in other countries, why can`t we ask the same of others?

    Leave us alone, world, and go worry about something other than a country trying to protect its citizens.
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    auburnjunky Male 30-39
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    July 20, 2010 at 8:17 pm
    @everyone who doesn`t agree with CLP:

    Guess what? She speaks the same as the majority of LEGAL immigrants when it comes to the `zona law.

    This law will stand.
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    auburnjunky Male 30-39
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    July 20, 2010 at 8:18 pm
    Also, what if the US government wins the suit.

    Arizona can just say piss off.

    If the US cuts funding, then Arizona can turn off the power in ALL of Southern California.

    They won`t lose this people. The law is here to stay, and there are already other states trying to adopt similar laws.
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    Nidonemo Male 18-29
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    July 20, 2010 at 8:42 pm
    Bigserg, Mykunter, stop it the both of you. *raises newspaper*
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    Fml Male 30-39
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    July 20, 2010 at 8:44 pm
    I’m Mexican.
    I support the law because each sovereign state should decide by majority what laws are implemented on their jurisdiction.
    Mexico IS NOT SUING ARIZONA. That is a fact.
    If you believe a word FoxNews says you are mentally challenged.
    But please, enough with the stereotypes, me and most of my friends are white, Mexican and speak English better than most Americans down here on spring break. Ok some Mexicans are ignorant, lazy, illiterate and abusive, some Americans are too. Even an American president was. And most Americans voted for him twice… well not twice but on the second chance anyway.
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    tws8631 Male 50-59
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    July 20, 2010 at 9:08 pm
    Boycott Mexico until they clean themselves up. Stop spending at the resorts. There are better places to spend your money.
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    CrakrJak Male 40-49
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    July 20, 2010 at 9:19 pm
    Amnesty has never worked before. It`s been tried and less then 10% of the `illegal` population applied for it.

    The whole point of being an `illegal` is that you never have to pay payroll taxes and get all the `freebie` benefits of living in America that they don`t get in Mexico.

    Boycott Mexico, Try Puerto Rico instead you don`t need a passport to go there.
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    Fml Male 30-39
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    July 20, 2010 at 9:23 pm
    @TWS:
    Did you know that Banamex (citygroup bank in Mexico) is paying for Citys bailout? Every time a Mexican makes a deposit on the largest bank in Mexico some money goes towards getting your tax dollars back to the US. Banamex is the most (by far) profitable business unit of City… Just saying.
    Also ‘clean themselves up’. You do realize us US drug addiction that is messing Mexico up. Right?
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    GuardinGnome Male 18-29
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    July 20, 2010 at 9:31 pm
    F*ck Mexico and f*ck Whoever else decides to sue Arizona. Let Arizona do whatever and shut the f*ck up. Bunch of pussies.
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    Siyanor Male 18-29
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    July 20, 2010 at 9:40 pm
    clp, unless you have been in the Mexican government, I highly doubt you have or ever will deal with them.

    The fact remains that native Spanish-speaking English-Spanish translators in Mexico are FAR better than native English speakers at speaking English.
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    Fuego Male 40-49
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    July 20, 2010 at 9:54 pm
    I support the law because each sovereign state should decide by majority what laws are implemented on their jurisdiction.
    uh...our "states" aren`t sovereign. They gave up that sovereignty and became federated states. To put it another way, the states are the hos. The federal government is the pimp.
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    Fml Male 30-39
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    July 20, 2010 at 10:04 pm
    Fuego. You are completely right. I didn’t express that correctly. All I was trying to say is that the majority of Arizonians approve of the law (and it looks like most of Americans too) the majority of the taxpaying, voters, legal citizens want that law. I believe that people should have the right to change the laws according to what the majority wants. Even if people from other places or the minority of the citizens disapprove of it.
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    random882 Male 18-29
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    July 20, 2010 at 10:20 pm
    What about being here illegally don`t people get.. If i do something illegal i get a punishment.. Why is it any different for illegal immigrants. I don`t care that you are here... I don`t care where you came from.. What i do care about is that i pay A poo ton of taxes.. I don`t get free housing I dont get government aid because i make just enough not to be poor.. However people who don`t pay taxes technically make more money than i do and get all the above!

    Second As others have said.. When i get pulled over (white American born and raised) i get asked for my "Papers" ID.. If i dont have it i get fines and in some states taken to jail for no proof of identification...

    If your here illegally then expect punishment..
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    tstyblucryns Male 18-29
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    July 20, 2010 at 10:31 pm
    i would be much more on board with this law if i knew what exactly were these provisions from racial profiling. ive seen a lot of generic `don`t be a racist while you are suspecting people` kind of lines, but what exactly makes someone suspicious of being an illegal immigrant, if not by race? where is the line?

    and then there`s this whole `only if they have already been suspected of another crime` bit. ok. so...anyone can be suspected of loitering who`s standing around. or soliciting who`s vending on the streets. or "swerved" on the road just coz the cop says so and who`s gonna believe you over a cop.

    maybe this is assuming the worst in people, but i feel like i have to nowadays and that`s really fuxed up.
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    Gerry1of1 Male 50-59
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    July 20, 2010 at 10:44 pm
    San Diego City Councel called for boy-cott of Arizona. San Diego even said they would not honor thier 6 contracts with AZ for various admin stuff... turns our AZ handles our prison administration.

    Then the San Diego Tourism Board sent letters of apoloty to all of the Arizonians that cancelled their hotel/vacation plans and begged them to come. Turns out We send them 6 million a year.... AZ sends San Diego 21 million a year... We lost that round.

    AZ 1
    SD 0

    I call for a BUY-COTT of Arizona products to support them. ... I googled it and found out they don`t make anything.
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    sender02 Male 18-29
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    July 20, 2010 at 10:48 pm
    The problem is that people post comments without learning any of the details.

    Mexico isn`t suing Arizona, its basicaly just offering its opinion to the court to try and affect its decision.

    The law doesn`t allow police officers to pull people over randomly, just to check for citizenship after they`ve been pulled over for a legitimate reason.

    Most of these immigrants do NOT speak english well. In fact, their children aren`t able to speak english OR spanish well. The "English Second Language" programe that the goverment has introduced (one of its many ways to cater to them) has crippled the way their children learn either language.
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    Fuego Male 40-49
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    July 20, 2010 at 10:52 pm
    The whole racial profiling thing is complete bullsh*t. ICE agents are already doing this at their checkpoints in S. Texas. Co-workers routinely get asked to pull over and have their vehicles searched while they`re questioned for about 30 minutes to an hour. I`ve never been asked to pull over and only once have I been asked for an ID. The funny thing is we`re all latino, but I look as whitebread as Abercrombie & Fitch.

    On a completely unrelated note, I just noticed how Mexicans and ppl from Central America are all lumped under S. America on this site. lolwut?
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    Fuego Male 40-49
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    July 20, 2010 at 10:55 pm
    I support the law because each sovereign state should decide by majority what laws are implemented on their jurisdiction.
    uh...our "states" aren`t sovereign. They gave up that sovereignty and became federated states. To put it another way, the states are the hos. The federal government is the pimp.
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    Gerry1of1 Male 50-59
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    July 20, 2010 at 10:56 pm
    How to Tell If He`s an Illegal Allien:

    If an individual has 3 of the following, he may be here illegally.

    I. Beat up vehicle with at least 3 kinds of primer.

    II. Does not speak English.

    III. There are at least twice as many people in the car as there are seat belts for them.

    IV. Ducks down when you hell "Imegracion!"

    V. No car insurance.

    VI. No Drivers License.

    VII. Is standing in a Home Depot parking lot looking for work.

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    Kernel Male 18-29
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    July 20, 2010 at 11:03 pm
    Stop overreacting, Mexico doesn`t real.
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    auburnjunky Male 30-39
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    July 20, 2010 at 11:51 pm
    @fuego:

    "uh...our "states" aren`t sovereign. They gave up that sovereignty and became federated states."

    This is totally wrong. ALL the states are sovereign. That`s what the constitution means. The federal government is here to protect the sovereignty of the states.

    For those that don`t know, our country is basically a federation of 50 states (and some territories) that joined together under one banner. They are still sovereign.

    When we lose that, we are screwed. That`s what I`m all the time bitching about hehehe.
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    chrn368 Male 18-29
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    July 21, 2010 at 12:24 am
    Oh Fox news how colored and biased your news always is.....
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    chrn368 Male 18-29
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    July 21, 2010 at 12:29 am
    What`s funny is people are defending this law saying it`s only if someone is stopped in suspect of committing another violation after the recent post on here showing the ways cops can screw you. Like being able to pull you over and saying that you were speeding even if you`re not. This law is waaaay too general and allows for too much room for racism to have an impact (and we all know many cops are VERY racist.)
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    ElMustache Male 18-29
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    July 21, 2010 at 12:39 am
    Pinche pendejos! Viva la reconquista!
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    66stang Male 18-29
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    July 21, 2010 at 1:37 am
    There are systems in place that prevent racial profiling already. Computers review every ticket an officer writes and provides statistics of how many tickets are written by that officer to each race and compares his ratio to other officers that run that same route. If an anomaly is found they transfer that officer to another route. If the anomaly continues an IA (internal affairs) investigation is opened. If the investigation finds the officer to be racist he is terminated without benefits. The reason you never hear about any of this is because any tickets, arrests, etc the officer has made in his entire career could be thrown out and the state would have to refund all of that.
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    horror102 Male 40-49
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    July 21, 2010 at 3:12 am
    Hey Mexico take care of your own people and maybe they won’t jump the border. Go Arizona!!! Don’t quit now you have the support (the media just won’t say it)
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    Stelly Male 30-39
    317 posts
    July 21, 2010 at 6:15 am
    Didn`t read the whole thing but this is what I saw:

    Mexican law, however, requires law enforcement officials "to demand that foreigners prove their legal presence in the country before attending to any issues."

    Arizona should counter-sue?
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    edana42 Female 50-59
    2509 posts
    July 21, 2010 at 6:20 am
    "Mexican citizens will be afraid to visit Arizona for work or pleasure out of concern that they will be subject to unlawful police scrutiny and detention"

    Methinks AZ will not have an issue with that...
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    edana42 Female 50-59
    2509 posts
    July 21, 2010 at 6:24 am
    @ goaliejerry "USA Rules! Mexico sucks! "

    um, that`s why they keep sneaking in...
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    Fuego Male 40-49
    1287 posts
    July 21, 2010 at 6:49 am
    @Auburnjunky Our states ARE NOT sovereign. They gave up a portion of their sovereignty when they joined the union. Have you even read the Constitution? Re-read it. Specifically, read Article I Section 10 - Powers prohibited of States.
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    meepmaker Male 30-39
    6694 posts
    July 21, 2010 at 6:52 am
    Mexico. Great place to visit bad place to stay.
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    Fuego Male 40-49
    1287 posts
    July 21, 2010 at 7:11 am
    sovereign states (nations) are completely autonomous. The states of the USA gave up their ability to jump into foreign policy to the federal government.
    Article 4 Section 2 Our states cannot withold extradition to another of our states.
    Article 4 Section 3 Our states cannot form new states from within or merge with other states without congressional (federal) approval.

    Sure sounds like our states are not 100% independent to me.
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    Fuego Male 40-49
    1287 posts
    July 21, 2010 at 7:18 am
    For those that don`t know, our country is basically a federation of 50 states (and some territories) that joined together under one banner.
    you said it yourself. We are a federation. Specifically, we`re a federal constitutional republic. A federation is a type of sovereign state characterized by a union of partially self-governing states or regions united by a central (federal) government. The central government is sovereign, not the constituent states.
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    clp2010 Female 30-39
    126 posts
    July 21, 2010 at 7:32 am
    Siyanor:I work for an ISP that provides service in both my area as well as up through San Luis. The owner of that company also has a franchise cellular company that provides service up through Mexicali.

    I`ve dealt with buying Mexican insurance, providing paperwork for Mexican work visas for our workers, as well as the rigamarole of sending our workers down to work for companies around Tecate and Ensenada among other places in Mexico. I`ve never said I was IN the Mexican gov`t, I said I`ve DEALT with them in my dealings both business and personal.


    I`d like to see you provide the documentation for "The fact remains that native Spanish-speaking English-Spanish translators in Mexico are FAR better than native English speakers at speaking English. I`ll not be holding my breath since that`s a little something you`ve pulled out your backside.
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    Fuego Male 40-49
    1287 posts
    July 21, 2010 at 7:33 am
    Well, the sovereignty lies in the collective really, not solely the federal government. At any rate, individual states are not sovereign which was my original argument.
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    McGovern1981 Male 30-39
    14268 posts
    July 21, 2010 at 7:39 am
    Can we then sue Mexico for all of the immigrants who come here that refuse to obey the laws?
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    Gerry1of1 Male 50-59
    36665 posts
    July 21, 2010 at 8:00 am
    This law has existed for years and no one said it`s racist. Federal Imigration Regulations. Now that someone is gonna enforce it it`s all chest beating and shouts of racism.

    Anyone here legally will have no troubles in Arizona. They have a large hispanic population and the cops are already trained not to do racial profiling. There are carefully laid out steps and guidelines the cops have to use before they can ask for proof of legal citizenship.

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    Fuego Male 40-49
    1287 posts
    July 21, 2010 at 8:03 am
    Personally, I don`t take exception to AZ`s SB 1070 for legality. I understand and commiserate with their frustation over the federal government perpetually failing to uphold and diligently enforce federal immigration law, but I hope for their sake that it doesn`t become a law, though. I think AZ`s opening up a whole can of worms they hadn`t considered.
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    Fuego Male 40-49
    1287 posts
    July 21, 2010 at 8:08 am
    before anyone jumps my ass, I realize it was signed into law back in April, but it doesn`t go into effect until the 29th of this month.
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    auburnjunky Male 30-39
    10339 posts
    July 21, 2010 at 8:44 am
    @fuego:

    LOL! I was chomping at the bit sir hahaha.

    Also, if the states aren`t sovereign, how come the constitution says we can secede at any time and for any reason? (This is not a civil war debate.)
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    goaliejerry Male 30-39
    4017 posts
    July 21, 2010 at 9:12 am
    " how come the constitution says we can secede at any time and for any reason?"

    lol, show me the "secede" clause please. You say silly things sometimes, but can you imagine if what you said was actually true?

    Oh, and some of you are making a CRAZY argument that the Arizona law is just like Mexico`s, as if that is a good thing, as if mimicking the law of a backwards, third-world country with immense poverty and political corruption is a GOOD thing to do in AMERICA, land of the FREE.

    And the states ARE individual Sovereigns who voluntarily ceded some of their sovereignty to the federal government, SUCH AS POWER OVER IMMIGRATION.

    You can`t "lose" something you willingly gave up, and then cry like a whiny bitch school girl when the Feds hold you to the original deal.
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    goaliejerry Male 30-39
    4017 posts
    July 21, 2010 at 9:24 am
    "This law has existed for years and no one said it`s racist"

    Repeating this over and over again, while ignoring clear contrary evidence, suggests closed-mindedness or self-delusion. The law creates NEW state immigration laws. It is NOT just a mirror of federal regulations.

    But never mind, just keep repeating to yourself, "This law has existed for years and no one said it`s racist," "This law has existed for years and no one said it`s racist," "This law has existed for years and no one said it`s racist."

    Wow, its MORE true than it was before because I said it three times!
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    goaliejerry Male 30-39
    4017 posts
    July 21, 2010 at 9:25 am
    "There are carefully laid out steps and guidelines the cops have to use before they can ask for proof of legal citizenship."

    Yeah, because if there is ONE THING American history has told us is that Cops lack the ability to abuse unbridled power.
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    pmarren Male 40-49
    4575 posts
    July 21, 2010 at 9:29 am
    Mexico can go f#ck itself.
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    Gerry1of1 Male 50-59
    36665 posts
    July 21, 2010 at 9:33 am
    States aren`s soverign. That was the idea but when some tried to secede we found out what happened didn`t we. The were forced back into line by military force.

    States are self-governing, NOT soverign.
    It`s like a principality under an emperor.

    OHHHHh! that reminds me of a line from a movie!

    "The Regional Governors will have direct control over their territories."

    haha... oh, wait. I`ve gotten sidetracked haven`t I
  90. Profile photo of CrakrJak
    CrakrJak Male 40-49
    17514 posts
    July 21, 2010 at 9:38 am
    goaliejerry: Yeah, because if there is ONE THING American history has told us is that Cops lack the ability to abuse unbridled power.

    GJ, We have civilian police boards and a lot of other `bridles` on the police as is. This is the 21st century not the 19th century. Why do you think that anytime a policeman discharges a weapon or gets involved in anything controversial he is put behind a desk or put on leave until a civilian review is done ?

    Also what `Evidence` do you claim to have that the law is racist ? Does it mention hispanics or mexicans ? No. Does it mention any race at all ? No. Has anyone even been arrested under this law yet ? No. (It doesn`t go into effect until the 29th)

    You`ve clearly allowed fear to cloud your reason here.
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    Fuego Male 40-49
    1287 posts
    July 21, 2010 at 9:52 am
    @auburnjunky
    I apologize if this sounds offensive, as no offense is intended, but have you read the constitution lately? Here is a link . If you challenge the validity of transferred text, you can also read it through photos of the constitution. If you decry "shopped!" I can`t help you, you are beyond my grasp.
    Greater minds than mine have argued both sides to this argument (secession), but the constitution does not explicitely give states the right to secede nor does it deny that right. Article VII is often cited as the reason for implied ability to secede. One could also argue the 10th admendment gives states the right to secede because any power not given to the federal government is reserved for the states or the citizens.
    Of course the US Supreme Court ruled in the case Texas vs. White back in 1860 that even Texas, an independent republi
  92. Profile photo of Fuego
    Fuego Male 40-49
    1287 posts
    July 21, 2010 at 10:03 am
    whoops. - an independent republic before joining the union in 1845, could not secede unilaterally. They went on to acknowledge secession by mutual agreement or rebellion as an entirely different matter.
    So, if Arizona would like to declare its independence from USA or if the USA agrees Arizona can leave, it may secede.
  93. Profile photo of Fuego
    Fuego Male 40-49
    1287 posts
    July 21, 2010 at 10:04 am
    of course neither option stands a chance.
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    Chaos7 Male 18-29
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    July 21, 2010 at 10:12 am
    -]:{) They be trrrrrrollin`
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    Fuego Male 40-49
    1287 posts
    July 21, 2010 at 10:28 am
    I rather enjoy debating issues of national importance and educating others via an online forum where my already nonexistent clout is rendered even more meaningless. I find it both productive and entertaining. By educating others through this medium I am making an invaluable contribution.

    So why do I do it? Eh, it passes the time.

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    JeffBeau Male 30-39
    180 posts
    July 21, 2010 at 11:24 am
    Amendment 11: The US judicial system cannot try or conduct a suit brought against a state by a foreign state.

    So, where will they file this suit? There is no judicial system outside the U.S. that has any power over Arizona or any other state ... not yet anyway.

    While we`re at it: Article 4, Sec. 4 "The U.S. ... shall protect each of them against Invasion ..."

    Well, so far we`re up to at least 4 violations of the constitution by this administration & congress.
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    Fuego Male 40-49
    1287 posts
    July 21, 2010 at 11:33 am

    Mexico is not suing Arizona. Jesus gave up; I am too.
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    kilroy5555 Male 30-39
    496 posts
    July 21, 2010 at 12:31 pm
    To say nothing of Mexico`s utter hypocrisy here, they have no standing. NEXT!
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    Loveabye Female 18-29
    163 posts
    July 21, 2010 at 1:19 pm
    Too bad... they`re illegal.
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    qwyrxian Male 30-39
    73 posts
    July 21, 2010 at 2:58 pm
    Huh...reading skillz is tech. Filing a brief does not equal filing a lawsuit.
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    nrg70 Male 30-39
    121 posts
    July 21, 2010 at 7:30 pm
    I don`t know why so many people have a problem with one of our states standing up for itself and wanting to discourage illegal immigration. I don`t understand why illegals try to make an issue about Arizona anyway when they are here illegally, which shows an obvious disrespect for our laws. Illegal aliens go eff yourselves. If you want a have a country that you can live in and have jobs, healthcare etc... Then band together and make changes in your own country. Become involved in your own political system, help stop crime and be responsible for your own social problems, be the solution not the problem! DON`T COME HERE AND BURDEN U.S. TAXPAYERS BECAUSE OF YOUR LACK OF AMBITION!!
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    Weakmonkey Male 18-29
    190 posts
    July 21, 2010 at 9:58 pm
    When your government is too inept to handle its true issues, let the courts make all the important decisions!
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    Suicism Male 18-29
    3625 posts
    July 22, 2010 at 4:35 am
    F*ck you, Mexico! Give your people a reason to stay there - or don`t; then maybe one day it will be a nice place to live.

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