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152 Responses to Marijuana Study: Exit Drug, Not Gateway Drug

  1. Profile photo of elHadji
    elHadji Male 70 & Over
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    July 22, 2010 at 7:48 am
    Link: Marijuana Study: Exit Drug, Not Gateway Drug - Stoner logic? Possibly. Legalize it anyway, yes? No?
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    meepmaker Male 30-39
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    July 22, 2010 at 11:09 am
    Yes.
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    GhettoNinja Male 30-39
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    July 22, 2010 at 11:10 am
    When I worked at the Orion Youth Center in Seattle, I found that most young folks trying to quit Heroin that tried to use marijauna as an "exit" drug were more successful in staying away from the heroin.

    Bush=Crack
    Clinton=Weed

    Smoking weed might lead to getting a blow job in the whitehouse, but being a crackhead leads you to lying to get what you want...i.e. iraqi war.

    Now that was stoner logic right there:)
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    auburnjunky Male 30-39
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    July 22, 2010 at 11:12 am
    It`s not a drug. It`s a drating plant.

    Legalize it!

    (I`m fully aware THC is a drug.)
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    DeutschDude9 Male 18-29
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    July 22, 2010 at 11:12 am
    I`d like to see this study.

    By the way that guys an idiot- numbers don`t mean anything unless there`s a valid method behind the numbers.
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    ButtPlugs Male 18-29
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    July 22, 2010 at 11:13 am
    It seems like you`re just replacing one addiction for another... admittedly pot is better for you than other drugs or drinking.. I`m interested if anybody in the studies quit pot in the long run and stayed clean?
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    auburnjunky Male 30-39
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    July 22, 2010 at 11:13 am
    @ghetto:

    Making it political? Really?
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    pizzaroll Male 18-29
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    July 22, 2010 at 11:14 am
    I`ve never understood why weed is illegal anyways. I`m more likely to do something stupid when I`m drunk as drat than I am when I`ve smoked a blunt. I can get way more drated up on alcohol, so I really don`t see why weed is considered to be so bad. Oh, wait, now I remember. It`s because people listen to whatever they hear, and are ridiculously gullible, so they seem to think that if you smoke weed you are an idiot incapable of forming complete sentences and that you will steal their t.v. for your next fix. Amirite?
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    Amurika Male 30-39
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    July 22, 2010 at 11:15 am
    the fact that the government is still hung up on this prohibition is so primitive and silly.
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    Hedanito Male 18-29
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    July 22, 2010 at 11:15 am
    Ok, and now get them off marijuana.
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    pizzaroll Male 18-29
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    July 22, 2010 at 11:16 am
    @buttplugs, I can`t be sure, because I know next to nothing about you, but based on your comment I can only assume that you`ve either never smoked weed, or that you`ve only experimented with it a tiny bit. Not saying that`s a bad thing, but it makes it seem like you`re talking out of your ass when you try to say that weed is addictive.
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    shneeblefish Male 18-29
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    July 22, 2010 at 11:17 am
    ...then you get into the debate over which is better...
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    GhettoNinja Male 30-39
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    July 22, 2010 at 11:17 am
    What can I say...I am stoned.

    :P

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    Ches47 Male 18-29
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    July 22, 2010 at 11:18 am
    Lol
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    ScottSerious Male 18-29
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    July 22, 2010 at 11:20 am
    wtf was that. half the video was the dude making weird voices.
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    beckpratt Female 18-29
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    July 22, 2010 at 11:20 am
    Whether or not it`s "stoner logic" doesn`t matter... What matters is the fact that there is no REAL reason for it to be illegal. Not one person has died from it, and the only reason it was illegal in the first place is because the lumber industry was hurt because hemp was such a good alternative to paper. It needs to be legalized, regulated, and taxed. That would be a great way to boost our economy.
  17. Profile photo of Swaywithme
    Swaywithme Female 18-29
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    July 22, 2010 at 11:20 am
    The only reason Weed would be a gate-way drug is because if you`re already the type of person to want to try a drug, you`re going to be willing to try the next step.

    Personally, I`ve smoked weed for YEARS and I`ve never progressed aside from trying salvia once or twice which is legal. I`d try shrooms, but that`s about it. I`ve had too many friends drated up from coke- my roommate gets bad anxiety attacks from having done E in the past...no thanks!

    Don`t Legalize, Decriminalize! Let us grow our own without getting the riot act! I don`t want to pay $65 bucks for a pack of joints.
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    Swaywithme Female 18-29
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    July 22, 2010 at 11:23 am
    And that was my 1000th comment. Well spent..Well spent.
  19. Profile photo of GhettoNinja
    GhettoNinja Male 30-39
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    July 22, 2010 at 11:23 am
    Weed is a schedule 1 non narcotic drug as classified by the feds.

    While marijuana does not cause physical addictions, it can cause psychological addictions.

    Especially when used as an "exit" drug. Addicts will sometimes tell themselves they have to keep using to stay away from heroin or other narcotics.


    Psychological addictions at least can be handled without more drugs.

    Look at all the physically addicting drugs that are legal out there:

    Caffeine
    Nicotine
    Alcohol
    And too many legally prescribed drugs to name
  20. Profile photo of pizzaroll
    pizzaroll Male 18-29
    232 posts
    July 22, 2010 at 11:25 am
    @beckpratt, not really. The government makes way more money off of it being illegal. See, it`s actually the local governments decision (on the state level) whether or not they want to legalize it. As it is, in the area I live, you can be put in jail for up to 3 months for having so much as a damn piece of stem on the floorboard of your car. For each day you spend in jail, the federal government allocates a certain amount of money to the state for the costs of running that jail. So for here, that number is about 150 bucks a day, per inmate. That`s alot of money considering that people are going to smoke weed whether it`s legal or not, and if you get caught just once you just made 13,500 bucks for the state in just 3 months, which is far more than you would make for them off of taxes. Crooked sh*t eh?
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    D3rAnG3d Male 18-29
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    July 22, 2010 at 11:26 am
    retarded logic for retarded people...
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    SLC77 Male 13-17
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    July 22, 2010 at 11:27 am
    MAN! you know what i believe? i believe in NUMBERS. i believe in st-statistics.
  23. Profile photo of pizzaroll
    pizzaroll Male 18-29
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    July 22, 2010 at 11:28 am
    @deranged, yea, well, those comments really go far when you don`t put any reasoning behind them. Of course, it`s really easy to call someone or something retarded when you don`t give any proof.
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    Rick_S Male 40-49
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    July 22, 2010 at 11:36 am
    I`d like to see the study, the names of the doctors that completed it, and see if it stands up to rigorous medical testing.

    My point is that ANYONE can conduct a study like they are quoting. Just because a study was done, doesn`t mean the results are accurate. Also, just because a study was done that makes pot look good, doesn`t mean that the results are inaccurate. Keep an open mind, right?
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    Rick_S Male 40-49
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    July 22, 2010 at 11:38 am
    "See, it`s actually the local governments decision (on the state level) whether or not they want to legalize it."

    Nope. Federal law makes pot illegal. California legalized it, and the feds said they are choosing not to enforce the law on those people who are using/selling it according to the California law. They can, however, at any time, raid granny`s house because she smokes pot, even though California law explicitly states she can.
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    Clayboy Male 18-29
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    July 22, 2010 at 11:39 am
    about 80% of the people I know that got into pot went onto harder drugs.
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    pizzaroll Male 18-29
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    July 22, 2010 at 11:42 am
    @Rick S, but they don`t, so Cali can get away with it. That wasn`t really the point anyways. The point is that there`s far too much money in keeping it illegal, to ever see it become legal. Well, at least not with the people that are currently in office.
  28. Profile photo of Swaywithme
    Swaywithme Female 18-29
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    July 22, 2010 at 11:46 am
    @Clay

    That`s what I`m saying though- If it`s in your personality to try drugs AT ALL, it`s in your personality to want to further that and try harder drugs..That`s not the weeds fault, anything could catapult someone into that! I bet more than half of that 80% smoked or drank or had caffeine before they tried pot. Why arent they considered Gateway?
  29. Profile photo of Swaywithme
    Swaywithme Female 18-29
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    July 22, 2010 at 11:50 am
    @Pizza If they actually legalized and started production and taxed weed, they`d make WAY more than that to be able to sell it in stores.

    The problem with Legalizing it is that it will be the same process as Alcohol. It will be illegal to produce yourself and they`ll tax the poo out of it. Your standard 1/8th for 30 somethin bucks? You go to buy that in the store in a pouch to roll, it`ll cost you upwards 50-60 bucks. No joke.

    If they decriminalize it, It`d be legal to grow your own and you`d be able to find a lot more dealers kicking around and if anything, prices would drop with more competition...

    Legalizing it would be a great boost to the economy though
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    TeamVenture Male 18-29
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    July 22, 2010 at 11:51 am
    I never understood anti-marijuana logic. If it was de-criminalized or even legalized and sold at designated locations, it would not cause any major effect. Sure taxing it would help the economy, but all that aside, there would be no change in day to day life. People smoke it everyday, everywhere. The guy who made your cheeseburger to the chick who deposited your check, to the guy who owns the company you work for. Most real people view it as what it is, an accepted recreational drug, like caffeine or alcohol.

    I personally have seen loads more horror come from alcohol than pot. The most horror that came from pot was friends getting busted and realizing that your douche roommate ate all the cinnamon toast crunch...again.

  31. Profile photo of pizzaroll
    pizzaroll Male 18-29
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    July 22, 2010 at 11:51 am
    @Swaywithme, That`s not necessarily true. I don`t think either of you are correct really. I don`t think there is such a thing as a "gateway" drug, but I don`t think that just because someone tries one thing means that they are automatically the type of person to go on to the next. That`s called a generalization btw. Some people just smoke cigarettes, and that`s it. My dad for example. He doesn`t even drink alcohol. Some people drink, and that`s it. And some only drink coffee. Just as I only smoke weed. It`s less expensive, I can get off of it at a moments notice and not feel any withdrawal symptoms, and it`s very relaxing. It also greatly stimulates the imagination, so I enjoy smoking before playing games, or reading. None of that means I`m going to go snort a line though.
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    I-IS-BORED Male 18-29
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    July 22, 2010 at 11:52 am
    @pizzaroll
    and that money has to pay for food, electricity, heating, cooling, guards, maintenance, water, toiletries, etc.
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    Tiredofnicks Male 30-39
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    July 22, 2010 at 11:53 am
    According to BBC Horizon, a science show, preliminary studies show that marijuana retards synaptic growth if smoked in the years your body and brain is still growing (ie. roughly 11-25) but generally harmless if you start after after that and use it in moderation.
    I`d say legalize it, but enforce strict age regulations.

    I really recommend you watch it, search for BBC Horizon, "Cannabis, the evil weed" on youtube.


    auburnjunky: And where do you think most drugs come from? Penicillin is a fungus. Aspirin is bark from a tree. Morphine is the refined sap of a flower seed pod.
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    Geogypsy Female 18-29
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    July 22, 2010 at 11:54 am
    Well, it`s not a gateway drug from personal experience but I think that the concept of an exit drug is sort of silly ... granted, methadone programs do have success stories.

    Perhaps there could be some truth to this?
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    ButtPlugs Male 18-29
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    July 22, 2010 at 11:57 am
    @pizzaroll
    You`re right, I`ve only smoked weed a handful of times... It was never my drug, didn`t like the effects unless I was drunk or rolling...

    I know pot is not physically addicting, but I imagine it can be mentally addicting, especially to someone using it to wean themselves off of alcohol, heroin, etc... I imagine the desire to not feel sober is still there, they just now have a different drug to achieve it with.
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    cman7721 Male 18-29
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    July 22, 2010 at 11:58 am
    I`ve never smoked pot in my life, and I never will. I have seen the adverse effects it can have on people. And I want it legalized. Seriously, just legalize it already.
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    redbullvodka Female 13-17
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    July 22, 2010 at 12:00 pm
    well, thank god
  38. Profile photo of VINSON
    VINSON Male 18-29
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    July 22, 2010 at 12:04 pm
    I dont think weeds a gateway drug, but i think that since its illegal to get weed you will probably be exposed to other drugs more often then you would if it was legal and regulated
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    kummi90 Male 18-29
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    July 22, 2010 at 12:05 pm
    The validity of this study is debatable. However, legalize...
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    Reignblazer Male 18-29
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    July 22, 2010 at 12:05 pm
    Some people say alcohol is a drug. That`s nonsense; it`s a drink!

    Sidenote: Was that guy checking out the woman`s rack the whole time before he did his Redneck-act? :p
  41. Profile photo of Swaywithme
    Swaywithme Female 18-29
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    July 22, 2010 at 12:06 pm
    @pizzaroll

    Anything could become mentally addicting given the right person. While most certainly, a huge percentage of addicts didn`t have addictive personalities but have become terribly physically addicted. I agree that many would have addictive personalities and would probably become mentally dependent on weed instead. I think, regardless, weed would still be the lesser of the two evils. Someone who might have to deal with a long addiction to marijuana would still be more physically and mentally well at the end than they would have been still addicted to heroin, or meth.
  42. Profile photo of pizzaroll
    pizzaroll Male 18-29
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    July 22, 2010 at 12:06 pm
    @Tiredofnicks, Yea I`ve seen the same study. I`ve met alot of retarded effing people that smoke weed, but all of them started at a really young age, like 12 for instance. I never started until I was 20, my brother didn`t start till he was 19, and most of my friends didn`t start till their early 20s or late teens either, and none of them seem nearly as stupid as most stoners I`ve met. The only conclusion I can come to is that age is definitely a huge factor, and I agree with you: there should be a strict age limit. Other than that, I want to be able to smoke some weed on my front porch without having to worry about some dick ass cop bothering me for not bothering anybody...
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    Xerasia Female 18-29
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    July 22, 2010 at 12:07 pm
    yes, legalize it. it`s never killed anyone, unlike booze or cigs, and *they`re* legal.
  44. Profile photo of Ogen
    Ogen Male 18-29
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    July 22, 2010 at 12:08 pm
    I hate the young turks guy. I think he is pretty much a total douche-bag. `Conservatives` aren`t against pot, Republicans are generally speaking more inclined to be against it, but they should actually support its legalization under their own beliefs of smaller government.

    Anyone who actually does even a marginal look into marijuana knows; legalize it. Its the best thing for everyone.

    And the "Gateway Drug" theory is total bull. Marijuana doesn`t make people want to do harder drugs, its the people you meet smoking it. Your dealers and your friends who say "Hey, try this. Its awesome." Making the drug illegal doesn`t have any effect on wither or not someone is going to become a crack addict.

    For anyone looking for a good source of information on this, I suggest looking up "The Union: The Business Behind Getting High" A great documentary which is both informative and pretty entertaining.
  45. Profile photo of pizzaroll
    pizzaroll Male 18-29
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    July 22, 2010 at 12:10 pm
    @Swaywithme, Yea, but that`s like saying that with the right person playing a violent video game, he/she might become a murderer. People should know themselves, and know what they should and should not expose themselves to. It`s not the RIGHT of OUR government that WE put in place to act like our drating parents and tell us what we can or cannot put in our bodies. If you can`t take the heat, get out of the kitchen, that`s all there is to it.
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    VINSON Male 18-29
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    July 22, 2010 at 12:12 pm
    Well with regulation it becomes harder for people underage to get it. studies have shown that high school kids have easier access to weed than alcohol. also look at the netherlands they have some of the most loose marijuana laws in the world but they also have some of the lowest underage use.
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    kribbe Male 18-29
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    July 22, 2010 at 12:17 pm
    this was ridiculous, is this whats considered "news". i just stick to paper because it gets quicker to the point and you could just skip all of that you don`t think is a need to know info
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    DrunkStepdad Male 40-49
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    July 22, 2010 at 12:18 pm
    I`ve lost a lot in my life from alcohol, the only thing I`ve lost from pot is my short term memory.
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    LillianDulci Female 18-29
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    July 22, 2010 at 12:24 pm
    I love the people on here who don`t regularly watch TYT and are like "What the heck". I love TYT, watch it every day :P. Weed is only habit forming, it`s not possible to be actually addicted to it. So, those who are like "Now get them off of weed", that`s much easier than whatever they were doing before. And if they don`t want to, as long as it`s not making them sit around all day and do nothing, I don`t see a problem with it.

    Personally, I don`t smoke weed. I don`t drink alcohol, I don`t smoke cigs. The only drug I consume on a regular basis is caffeine, and I`m trying to wean myself off of that. I think weed smells disgusting, but I would rather see someone smoke that than do anything else since it wont harm them even near as much as anything else.

    The only way weed could be considered a gateway drug is BECAUSE it`s illegal. Unless they grow it on their own, they have to get it from a drug dealer. That drug dealer may have other drugs, so they ma
  50. Profile photo of LillianDulci
    LillianDulci Female 18-29
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    July 22, 2010 at 12:25 pm
    I was under 1000!

    The only way weed could be considered a gateway drug is BECAUSE it`s illegal. Unless they grow it on their own, they have to get it from a drug dealer. That drug dealer may have other drugs, so they may decide to try another some time.
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    0megaZer0 Female 70 & Over
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    July 22, 2010 at 12:25 pm
    well, there`s something to be said for the illegalization of marijuana specifically because while it may not be dangerous in and of itself, it`s side effect of causing listlessness and a total lack of motivation can destroy/deteriorate lives, and on a larger scale, the entire economy.
    Tell me, how many out-of-work stoners do you know? what percentage of useless bump on a log 30-yr olds that live in their parent`s basement smoke pot?
    While both alchohol and tobacco are both more "dangerous" because they can potentially cause death, neither of them reduce your work ethic.

    as for the whole "gateway drug" theory, I know for a fact that it does not inherently lead to other drugs, however, by that same token, I wonder just how many crack/heroine addicts never smoked pot first...

    all of this being said though, I`m pretty much neutral, yet leaning towards the legalization side of things, simply because I`m all for personal freedoms. *shrugs*
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    tatripp Male 18-29
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    July 22, 2010 at 12:26 pm
    they stats suck. They are asking regular marijuana users why marijuana is better than alcohol. Most of the people who got the med marijuana cards only problem is that they love marijuana. Most are not sick or hurting.
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    DGbME Male 40-49
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    July 22, 2010 at 12:27 pm
    It should be legal and treated like cigarettes. Of course if they legalize I will just grow my own and save big bucks while having awesome pot. Which is why the WON`T legalize it.

    It is making money for criminals AND law enforcement while illegal. Legalize it and both sides lose money. Therefore they keep it illegal.
    So many lives would be saved if it were legal.
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    Swaywithme Female 18-29
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    July 22, 2010 at 12:28 pm
    @Pizza

    Oops! I didn`t mean to generalize. I said before that I`ve smoked weed myself since I was about 17-18 and I`ve never done anything `harder`. I just mean that to say just because you went on and did Coke or Acid or even heroin it isn`t because you tried weed first. It was in your personality already to try harder drugs. It`s in my personality to not want to further my experiments because of the experiences in my life.
  55. Profile photo of Swaywithme
    Swaywithme Female 18-29
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    July 22, 2010 at 12:34 pm
    and I don`t think that`s what I`m saying at all. I`m talking about addictions, not psychotic tendencies. I`m not exactly sure what you`re disagreeing with me about because you`re not saying anything I didn`t already agree with. I smoke weed and I WANT it to be decriminalized, I don`t want my weed to be taxed 12% (HST).

    I`m only commenting on mental addiction in the sense of using it as an `exit` drug and whether or not marijuana is a cure from addiction or a subsitute. I believe that even if they did switch a mental addiction to weed for a physical addiction to heroin, it`s a positive change for the better.
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    donotmatthew Male 18-29
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    July 22, 2010 at 12:36 pm
    I think it should be legal and if you do too goto www.norml.org and help out with the cause! Vote yes on prop 19 if you live in California.
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    Ogen Male 18-29
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    July 22, 2010 at 12:38 pm
    There`s no one to argue with on this topic... only people agreeing with each other angrily. =(
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    Swaywithme Female 18-29
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    July 22, 2010 at 12:38 pm
    @DGbME

    Oh no friend. If the government were to legalize pot, it would go the same route as alcohol. It will be legal to be in possession of weed, and to purchase it but it will still be illegal to grow your own weed. It will be produced by the government, sold in stores and be taxed all to hell. They could easily set limitations to the amount of weed someone is allowed to carry for personal use (In BC anything below 3 ounces would not be considered trafficking) and still charge people for dealing illegally.
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    Swaywithme Female 18-29
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    July 22, 2010 at 12:39 pm
    @Ogen

    I`m not angry :D I`m stoned and chatty!
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    pizzaroll Male 18-29
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    July 22, 2010 at 12:39 pm
    Oh, ok. Misunderstanding then, disregard lol.
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    pizzaroll Male 18-29
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    July 22, 2010 at 12:41 pm
    @Ogen, haha pretty much. In my case it was over a misunderstanding though. All good now. Now, if only I had some herb... but I don`t.
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    Swaywithme Female 18-29
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    July 22, 2010 at 12:42 pm
    @Pizza

    This bowl`s for you n.n
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    Ogen Male 18-29
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    July 22, 2010 at 12:47 pm
    I just once want a good debate with a informed anti-legalizing person. But those people don`t exist. They have pundits to spare though to go on the news and debate with bullpoo arguments, but in real life they don`t exist.
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    boredfjord Male 13-17
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    July 22, 2010 at 12:48 pm
    The green shirt was a good choice.
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    VINSON Male 18-29
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    July 22, 2010 at 12:48 pm
    @Omegazero-
    HAHAHA!! Do you know how many rich and successful people that smoke or have smoked weed there are? How about president Obama, Richard Branson, Michael Phelps, Michael Bloomberg, Ted Turner, Montel Williams, Stephen King, the list goes on. your just another drone that believes all the propaganda that stoners are all 40 year old virgins that live in their moms basement
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    pizzaroll Male 18-29
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    July 22, 2010 at 12:50 pm
    @Ogen, Yea, but that`s because there is no well informed rational argument against legalization (or decriminalization or w/e).
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    Ogen Male 18-29
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    July 22, 2010 at 12:52 pm
    Indeed. Which was my point.

    But it does leave me frustrated. If so many people are in support of it... why is it illegal still?
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    VINSON Male 18-29
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    July 22, 2010 at 12:54 pm
    @Swaywithme: California currently has an initiative on the ballot that would legalize weed for those 21 and over. prop 19. it will allow you to possess up to 1 ounce and it would allow you to cultivate as many plants as you can fit on a 5`x 5` grow.
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    Mitchster Male 18-29
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    July 22, 2010 at 12:55 pm
    why is it illegal still?

    Voodoo pharmacology: the demonization of marijuana. Basically, all kids nowadays are being brainwashed, so to speak, into thinking that if you get high, you`ll unknowingly beat small puppies with baseball bats, or whatnot.
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    Mitchster Male 18-29
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    July 22, 2010 at 12:55 pm
    Also, frownies that the thing didn`t work. :(
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    pizzaroll Male 18-29
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    July 22, 2010 at 12:57 pm
    Yay, got my profile pic uploaded. Anyone getting the munchies yet?
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    Swaywithme Female 18-29
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    July 22, 2010 at 12:57 pm
    @Vinson

    Thank goodness you have Arnold and not our dick premier. Campbell would never let something like that fly without a finger in ever pot...How`s Prop 19 faring?
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    Swaywithme Female 18-29
    3696 posts
    July 22, 2010 at 12:58 pm
    just had yummy bagel. You can`t tempt me pizzaroll!
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    Mitchster Male 18-29
    544 posts
    July 22, 2010 at 12:59 pm
    Also, here is a link to a word-for-word analysis of California`s Prop 19. I`d say it`s a bit biased, based on what the website looks like, though. So read carefully.
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    hootie12 Female 13-17
    71 posts
    July 22, 2010 at 12:59 pm
    @Swaywithme

    hello fellow british columbian =D
  76. Profile photo of pizzaroll
    pizzaroll Male 18-29
    232 posts
    July 22, 2010 at 1:01 pm
    @Swaywithme, damnit it backfired. Now I`m the one with the munchies. Bagel sounds so good.
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    Swaywithme Female 18-29
    3696 posts
    July 22, 2010 at 1:03 pm
    *WAVES!!*

    Does HST make you sad too? </3

    @pizza it was delicious.
  78. Profile photo of Volsunga
    Volsunga Male 18-29
    1548 posts
    July 22, 2010 at 1:03 pm
    Isn`t that just like the definition of a "gateway drug"? a drug you can turn to so you don`t need another drug anymore?
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    tstyblucryns Male 18-29
    496 posts
    July 22, 2010 at 1:04 pm
    i, for one, am not going to give one hoot or one hollar for those who think i`m a bad person for smoking this bowl i`m about to smoke.
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    VINSON Male 18-29
    65 posts
    July 22, 2010 at 1:04 pm
    last i heard the polls have prop 19 pretty much tied 50% 50% so its going to be a close one, but if it passes it will be a huge step toward outright legalization
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    jib Male 18-29
    314 posts
    July 22, 2010 at 1:05 pm
    wow it kinda sounded like she made those numbers up 57% used it for this another 63% claimed this and 27% was whatever.
  82. Profile photo of pizzaroll
    pizzaroll Male 18-29
    232 posts
    July 22, 2010 at 1:06 pm
    @volsunga, negative. A gateway drug is a drug that leads to the use of another drug. I am of the opinion that there is no such thing as a gateway drug, that it is simply a fantasy, a rumor, started by those that have no other arguments for keeping weed illegal.
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    Tiredofnicks Male 30-39
    5097 posts
    July 22, 2010 at 1:06 pm
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    pizzaroll Male 18-29
    232 posts
    July 22, 2010 at 1:07 pm
    @tiredofnicks, Funniest damn thing I`ve seen all day. By far.
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    Ogen Male 18-29
    441 posts
    July 22, 2010 at 1:08 pm
    @Tiredofnicks

    Haha!
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    TheNameless Male 13-17
    55 posts
    July 22, 2010 at 1:15 pm
    hey if its used as a substitute for more illicit, harmful and violent drugs, it should be legalized and that would greatly reduce the overall drug related crime rate in ALL of america and the countries that smuggle it here
  87. Profile photo of pizzaroll
    pizzaroll Male 18-29
    232 posts
    July 22, 2010 at 1:20 pm
    Does anyone on this site frequent Factpile? Also, on subject, yes I think that legalizing MJ would do alot in terms of destabilizing the coke industries in South America.
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    Swaywithme Female 18-29
    3696 posts
    July 22, 2010 at 1:27 pm
    @tiredofnicks

    I see me! :D
  89. Profile photo of VINSON
    VINSON Male 18-29
    65 posts
    July 22, 2010 at 1:28 pm
    it would be a massive blow to the mexican cartels. ~50% of its profits are from marijuana
  90. Profile photo of Jaedon
    Jaedon Male 18-29
    72 posts
    July 22, 2010 at 1:54 pm
    Weed being illegal in the first place is more of the gateway than anything; you`re usually forced to make friends with dealers who will sell other drugs and by that point, you`re a criminal anyway trying something else illegal doesn`t factor in to your decision making on if you try them and I`m also pretty sure that some will have peer pressure put on them by the more unsavory sort of dealers. That seems more of a gateway to harder drugs to me than it being the weed itself, not to mention I`m also sure people try alcohol way before weed so that would make alcohol the gateway drug.
  91. Profile photo of yarrrpirate
    yarrrpirate Male 18-29
    394 posts
    July 22, 2010 at 2:02 pm
    I`m for legalization. Not that I`d smoke weed, but it would be a gigantic cost saver for any Western state. The problem is though, as I see it, that it requires everyone to do it at once. Otherwise you might get a stoner pilgrimage on your hands. You don`t want that.

    But yeah, marijuana being illegal is silly enough, the penalties applied to it (especially in Sweden where I live) are even sillier. It`s pretty much classed in the same group as cocaine and heroine, from a legal perspective.
  92. Profile photo of megwilson
    megwilson Female 18-29
    18 posts
    July 22, 2010 at 2:11 pm
    I hate how people say all pot smokers are lazy good-for-nothings. a lot of my friends who smoke are very successful, vp`s of companies, RNs, ect. they don`t do it at work of course. that`s retarded. i myself had a stint smoking because i had terrible insomnia, and sleep-aides did crazy things to me. a friend suggested i smoke a little before bed, and it worked wonders! I did that for about 3 weeks and was back to sleeping on my own with no issues!
    i would much rather smoke than drink alcohol, i get mean on alcohol sometimes, and i feel out of control if i drink a little too much. but with weed, i feel good, but not mean, or out of control. I wouldnt drive... but i can do daily simple tasks like cooking and cleaning. especially cooking lol. i don`t even smoke anymore lol but it`s fun to reminice :)
  93. Profile photo of l3igSpeck
    l3igSpeck Male 30-39
    4 posts
    July 22, 2010 at 2:18 pm
    It would be interesting if we could make alcohol and cigarettes illegal at the same time pot becomes legal. With some luck pot could become the lesser of three evils.
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    Fatninja01 Male 30-39
    25420 posts
    July 22, 2010 at 2:19 pm
    meh
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    iiiihatejmac Female 18-29
    477 posts
    July 22, 2010 at 2:35 pm
    keep alcohol
    legalize weed
    illegalize tobacco
  96. Profile photo of -LuckyDucky-
    -LuckyDucky- Male 18-29
    141 posts
    July 22, 2010 at 2:39 pm
    Making tobacco illegal is just as ignorant as making marijuana illegal. You can`t just pick and choose laws based on your own preferences.
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    Jowsh Male 18-29
    1237 posts
    July 22, 2010 at 2:43 pm
    My god that guy is a cretin..
  98. Profile photo of -LuckyDucky-
    -LuckyDucky- Male 18-29
    141 posts
    July 22, 2010 at 2:46 pm
    Making tobacco illegal is just as ignorant as making marijuana illegal. You can`t just pick and choose laws based on your own preferences.
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    chupti Male 18-29
    3 posts
    July 22, 2010 at 2:55 pm
    Meh. I always hate such one sided arguments. There are pros and cons to all drugs. Drinking while smoking gets the best of both worlds...
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    buuurrrd Female 18-29
    34 posts
    July 22, 2010 at 2:57 pm
    i think it should just stay illegal.
  101. Profile photo of Cajun247
    Cajun247 Male 18-29
    10742 posts
    July 22, 2010 at 2:57 pm
    The reason why we can`t legalize marijuana is because the damn tobacco and alcohol industries. First we need to out-lobby them before there`s any hope of legalization.

    @tiredofnicks

    Those ads are random. It was GMC when I posted this reply. Have you ever seen the one where SWAT can`t seem to smash in the door even though they are using a battering ram?
  102. Profile photo of rikakitty
    rikakitty Female 18-29
    683 posts
    July 22, 2010 at 3:07 pm
    Alcohol makes you just as stupid as weed. So hell. Why not? Legalize it, biatch. D<
  103. Profile photo of username3415
    username3415 Male 18-29
    362 posts
    July 22, 2010 at 3:07 pm
    I drink everyday when I don`t even want to. I`m only 24 and of course I even have a beer in my hand right now. It`s an automatic every day after work to get 2-3 dollars in cheap beer and drink but I would not drink if I was say allowed to grow or buy pot and use sparingly until the alcohol ADDICTION wore off just to avoid to have to resort to beer for a buzz.
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    MEZA Male 18-29
    333 posts
    July 22, 2010 at 3:54 pm
    Marilize legijuana!
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    HalfSandwich Male 18-29
    145 posts
    July 22, 2010 at 4:18 pm
    @username3415: HAHAHA, go to AA and make that argument, maybe you will learn something about yourself.
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    Lionhart2 Male 40-49
    8306 posts
    July 22, 2010 at 4:39 pm
    > megwilson
    > I hate how people say all pot smokers are lazy good-for-nothings

    Me too!! And one of these days when I finish this scoob, I might get around to maybe doing something about them... or not...
  107. Profile photo of -LuckyDucky-
    -LuckyDucky- Male 18-29
    141 posts
    July 22, 2010 at 4:42 pm
    Making tobacco illegal is just as ignorant as making marijuana illegal. You can`t just pick and choose laws based on your own preferences.
  108. Profile photo of MrTwidget
    MrTwidget Male 30-39
    795 posts
    July 22, 2010 at 5:25 pm
    Marijuana is not a gateway drug, drug dealers are.
  109. Profile photo of Lamiacraor
    Lamiacraor Female 18-29
    231 posts
    July 22, 2010 at 5:48 pm
    Marijuana is not addictive and is far from a gateway drug.
    I, myself, (being a mother of two and a fairly neutral person) do not do Marijuana, but I do not see the reason why a human being cannot have the freedom to choose whether they use it or not. If my son (At a tolerable age) wished to smoke, I would allow him to try it all he wants. In presence of myself and his father, much like with alcohol so that they learn what it is and how it should not be abused.
    It is the human themselves that abuse Marijuana, not the drug its self.
  110. Profile photo of riathrift
    riathrift Female 18-29
    79 posts
    July 22, 2010 at 6:45 pm
    Someone once told me: "The only way I can see Marijuana being a gateway drug, is because once you try it and realize it isn`t as bad as authority wants you to believe... and you start to wonder what else isn`t as bad as everyone says... thus becoming a gateway by being called an illegal drug unjustly."

    Figured it was relevant here.
  111. Profile photo of Tisjokar
    Tisjokar Male 18-29
    985 posts
    July 22, 2010 at 6:49 pm
    Not a gateway drug? lol come to my school.
    The yr7`s that smoke marijuana, about 70% end up going further.
  112. Profile photo of mykunter
    mykunter Male 40-49
    2424 posts
    July 22, 2010 at 7:04 pm
    I used to smoke weed every day (1990-2002).
    Now I have a job that drug tests, so I drink every day (2002-present).

    I felt better and was happier during the former:(
  113. Profile photo of optix_reverb
    optix_reverb Male 18-29
    263 posts
    July 22, 2010 at 7:06 pm
    "put down the vitamin c and pick up a join" lol, Nice
  114. Profile photo of DiegoDeFuego
    DiegoDeFuego Male 18-29
    239 posts
    July 22, 2010 at 7:35 pm
    A friend of mine is an alcoholic and now instead of drinking he occasionally smokes. He went from being hungover most days and blackout drunk most nights to occasionally being high. Sounds like an improvement to me.

    @Tisjoker

    That`s because it`s the first illegal drug people usually try. Someone who is willing to try an illegal drug is more likely to try more illegal drugs then someone who won`t try them at all. Sounds crazy i know.



  115. Profile photo of _kiersten_
    _kiersten_ Female 18-29
    1682 posts
    July 22, 2010 at 7:45 pm
    I would love for it to be legalized...
  116. Profile photo of meganmakeart
    meganmakeart Female 18-29
    225 posts
    July 22, 2010 at 8:44 pm
    I believe in numbers too
  117. Profile photo of handys003
    handys003 Male 50-59
    2402 posts
    July 22, 2010 at 9:07 pm
    Bwahahahaha! Reeling off the facts huh? I wonder if Kona Gold is the best exit drug to get off meth.
  118. Profile photo of OmgZelda
    OmgZelda Female 18-29
    1593 posts
    July 22, 2010 at 9:08 pm
    Legalize it? Yes.
  119. Profile photo of bombaytech
    bombaytech Male 18-29
    151 posts
    July 22, 2010 at 9:21 pm
    America is dumb enough thankyou.
  120. Profile photo of neg0g
    neg0g Male 18-29
    5 posts
    July 22, 2010 at 10:40 pm
    the guy cant stop looking at her cleavage...lulz
  121. Profile photo of Gerry1of1
    Gerry1of1 Male 50-59
    36860 posts
    July 22, 2010 at 11:29 pm
    Every year there are many thousands of alcohol related deaths. And many tobacco related deaths.

    Marijuana related deaths..... ZERO.

    Why is this illegal again? Someone smart explain it to me.
  122. Profile photo of gimpsrcool
    gimpsrcool Male 13-17
    7 posts
    July 22, 2010 at 11:56 pm
    @Gerry1of1
    Zero marijuana related deaths is not entirely true. While you are not overdosing it still affects your behavior. A French study attributes marijuana as the cause of 2.5% of all fatal crashes. While not as bad as alcohol at 29%, there are still some deaths.

  123. Profile photo of BrunoStuff
    BrunoStuff Male 13-17
    23 posts
    July 23, 2010 at 12:25 am
    boooobs
  124. Profile photo of jtjwsnake
    jtjwsnake Male 18-29
    124 posts
    July 23, 2010 at 12:27 am
    legalize.
  125. Profile photo of aseirinn
    aseirinn Male 70 & Over
    877 posts
    July 23, 2010 at 12:45 am
    cigarettes are the gateway drug...do you know anyone that smoked hash before cigarettes?
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    0megaZer0 Female 70 & Over
    6 posts
    July 23, 2010 at 12:59 am
    @ VINSON

    right. because even though you`ve never met me, you clearly know everything about me. including intimate details about my personal life, and any research I may or may not have conducted on the subject.

    The old saying is wrong, your assumptions simply make an ass out of you.

    I`ve experienced the drug, MANY of my friends and aquaintences experience the drug in a variety of forms on a regular basis. I`ve seen what it can do, and I KNOW it`s effects FAAR better than some punk-ass kid who thinks just because he does`nt believe the same things as most society that that makes him more intellegent, and everyone else is just a bleeting sheep going along with the flow.

    you`re pathetic. do`nt waste my time with your idiotic anti-conformist babble or blatant denial of basic truths.
  127. Profile photo of Aobuluz
    Aobuluz Male 18-29
    28 posts
    July 23, 2010 at 2:15 am
    When I get stoned I dont wanna go buy beer. I hate walking round brightly lit shop and having to speak to people when high.

    So yeah - wanna stop ME buying beer? GET ME HIGH!
  128. Profile photo of 66stang
    66stang Male 18-29
    225 posts
    July 23, 2010 at 2:38 am
    lol, put down the vitamin c and grab a joint.
  129. Profile photo of jimbobsthebe
    jimbobsthebe Male 18-29
    639 posts
    July 23, 2010 at 4:02 am
    Here`s an interesting fact. People often call cannabis a gateway drug but did you know that nearly 100% of drug users actually admit to using N-(4-hydroxyphenyl)acetamide before moving on to harder drugs.

    Here`s another interesting fact. In a study carried out by the Scientific Drugs Advisory Council in England, alcohol, tobacco and cannabis all scored higher in terms of overall risk of harm than MDMA (Ecstasy).
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    EvilNobby Male 18-29
    44 posts
    July 23, 2010 at 6:08 am
    Green is illegal because it out competes a lot of other industries, that people in power have interest in, during the war on drugs in America, it was chemical paper production, rope and oil.

    F ck the Corpratocracy

    P.S. Smoke Weed every day
  131. Profile photo of sssfdg
    sssfdg Male 18-29
    190 posts
    July 23, 2010 at 8:13 am
    Marjiuana helped me quit a number of habits... coke, and MDMA are no longer in my life becuase weed helped me quit
  132. Profile photo of Gerry1of1
    Gerry1of1 Male 50-59
    36860 posts
    July 23, 2010 at 8:26 am
    so, let me get this straight....

    A common substance is outlawed.
    A significant portion of the population still wantt it.
    It`s easy to get.
    A crime syndicate forms that controls quality and price.
    This crime syndicate jacks up prices which leads to crime to get money to pay for it.
    Oh..... wait.. That was ALCOHOL in the 1920`s.


    Haven`t learned very much since then, have we.

    Legalize Drugs.
  133. Profile photo of FallenHero
    FallenHero Male 18-29
    106 posts
    July 23, 2010 at 9:49 am
    Legalize it. I know many, many people who do weed. It has destroyed none of their lives. Even alcohol, which is legal, can easily ruin someone`s life. The only people for whom this can qualify as a gateway drug is those who have no happiness in their life and find all their happiness in drugs. I hope that in the future, smoking marijuana with your friends will be just like drinking at the bar. Something you do to wind down after a hard day or just something to do when you`re hanging out. Again, legalize
  134. Profile photo of Cashaviola
    Cashaviola Female 18-29
    108 posts
    July 23, 2010 at 10:05 am
    I`m with Link@ Don`t care what they are going to do about it, I`m still smoking it!!!
  135. Profile photo of valleybronco
    valleybronco Female 18-29
    93 posts
    July 23, 2010 at 10:32 am
    legalize it.
  136. Profile photo of 420foy
    420foy Male 18-29
    671 posts
    July 23, 2010 at 11:50 am
    lamo @ fallenhero: "I know many people who do weed." really? they DO weed? jesus christ man, people dont `do` weed...
  137. Profile photo of T-Marley
    T-Marley Male 70 & Over
    602 posts
    July 23, 2010 at 12:06 pm
    Marijuana being a gateway drug is crap I agree, more likely the same type of person who would trip on acid or shoot up heroin isn`t going to care about smoking pot, but the kind of person who is going to smoke pot isn`t necessarily ok with dropping acid.

    I`ve smoked pot for 8 years and have never had the slightest interest in any other drug (other than alcohol, but that doesn`t count in this context). I`ve had opportunities to do coke, acid, shrooms, and numerous pills, and there is no hesitation before I say no thanks. Just not my thing. And if I had to choose between alcohol and pot, I would choose pot.

    How many meat heads get drunk and want to get into a fight. How many pot heads get stoned and want to do anything more than eat something sweet.
  138. Profile photo of caper454
    caper454 Female 70 & Over
    511 posts
    July 23, 2010 at 1:06 pm
    Marijuana is most definitely NOT a "gateway drug" in my experience. I`ve been smoking Marijuana for almost 25 years and I have never once used any other drug. gateway drug my a$$! Marijuana is a wonderful peaceful gift from God in my opinion.
  139. Profile photo of sourkrauter
    sourkrauter Male 18-29
    894 posts
    July 23, 2010 at 3:13 pm
    i`ve been smoking pot for... carry the 2... 9 years. though it was the first "drug" i ever tried, it did not leave me any more or less suseptable to use any of the other drugs i`ve tried. i mean come on, what 13 year old kid is gonna say no when ur gf shows up and says "hey, wanna get high and drat?" hahaha, hell yea!
  140. Profile photo of sourkrauter
    sourkrauter Male 18-29
    894 posts
    July 23, 2010 at 3:14 pm
    so i guess sex was more of a gateway drug than anything! lol
  141. Profile photo of ingrateful
    ingrateful Male 13-17
    415 posts
    July 23, 2010 at 3:54 pm
    well it goes both ways
  142. Profile photo of Suicism
    Suicism Male 18-29
    3625 posts
    July 23, 2010 at 7:02 pm
    These guys are so f*cking unprofessional and self-satisfied in their douchebaggery.. of COURSE that`s what conservatives would say! You mean, like those great champions of the Republican legacy Diane Feinstein and Barbara Boxer?

    Southern accent my ass..
  143. Profile photo of mentott510
    mentott510 Male 60-69
    210 posts
    July 24, 2010 at 8:12 am
    Please be careful! I have been a substance abuse and corrections counselor for many years and cannabis is a very nasty drug. The active ingredient, THC, is stored in body fat and can take as long as a month for the body to remove after use is stopped. It impairs the ability for brain and other body cells to communicate and function normally. As a result, reaction times and judgment are impaired, often for quite a while. It also affects the genetic material in body cells that can lead to birth defects and diseases such as cancer. The body`s immune system is suppressed and regular, long-term use can result in lack of motivation. Cannabis can introduce the user to other drugs and often the criminal subculture. Please check the RELIABLE medical information about it. Please remain drug-free. If you need alcohol or other drugs to get through the day, to socialize or to feel good about yourself, talk to somebody about it. Attend Narcotics Anonymous meetings to get the real story.
  144. Profile photo of SmilinSam
    SmilinSam Female 18-29
    3599 posts
    July 24, 2010 at 8:26 am
    yeah, it`s not a gatway drug to anything, i would have tried acid even if i never smoked pot!!! haha people are predisposed to do whatever the hell they want, regardless.
  145. Profile photo of SmilinSam
    SmilinSam Female 18-29
    3599 posts
    July 24, 2010 at 8:39 am
    @mentott... quit being such a prude...
  146. Profile photo of mentott510
    mentott510 Male 60-69
    210 posts
    July 24, 2010 at 9:03 am
    Get to a Narcotics Anonymous meeting. Get a sponsor.
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    xtreme_dude Male 18-29
    1372 posts
    July 24, 2010 at 8:42 pm
    Win.
  148. Profile photo of belunan
    belunan Male 30-39
    1507 posts
    July 25, 2010 at 12:55 am
    Only two types of people call pot a gateway drug: school counselors that have never smoked it and NarcAnon meeting leaders that can`t bring enough people into their meetings to pay for their member`s coffee consumption.

    Sure, pot`s a drug...but a gateway drug? That`s just dumb.
  149. Profile photo of Jewsus
    Jewsus Male 18-29
    58 posts
    July 25, 2010 at 6:50 pm
    Alcohol is the real gateway drug. When you`re drunk all it takes is someone saying "Here take this" And 9 times out of 10 you`re going to say "drat YEAAAAH!! I DON`T GIVE A drat!!!" and just go with it.
  150. Profile photo of LightShaded
    LightShaded Male 18-29
    423 posts
    July 25, 2010 at 6:55 pm
    LEGALIZE. LEGALIZE. LEGALIZE!
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    BunnyNaku Female 18-29
    5224 posts
    August 7, 2010 at 11:38 pm
    go ahead. idc

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