How Did Dinosaurs Die? [Pic]

Submitted by: Matwix_2004 7 years ago in Funny

The revelation that makes sense to Christians. This looks like it could be a real pamphlet.
There are 266 comments:
Female 463
I just like that he has a shovel :P
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Male 1,164
In the beginning, there was nothing.

And then Chuck Norris round-house kicked that nothing in the face and said, "Get a job!"

And that is how the universe was born.
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Male 95
every one knows that when the world was created jesus, chuck norris, and elvis presley rode on the backs of red white and blue pterodactyls while they went over the story of the bible while shooting molten crucifixes at the dinosoars killing all of them. its simple science.
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Male 661
As a firm believer in the metaphysical and scientific, I find it funny that as we move forward with our research, we begin to find that the two are moving closer together. Studies in particle, astro, and quantum physics are showing us that our reality may not be the only one, that multiple universes are not only possible, but probable.
Do science and the metaphysical stand at odds to each other? Personally, I don`t think so. The British call it a lorry, the North Americans call it a truck, the French call it un camion. The name for an object is merely there to help us to identify with it. God, Allah, Kali, Odin, unified field theory, same poop, same pile, different name.
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Male 594
omg rofl
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Female 219
them taht that was the truth and nothing more but there were people out there that believed in "your little fairy tail" and now look at all the knowlege we have today. And finnaly i know that people that believe certain religons have certain beliefs and rules and guidlines that they fallow to achive what their goals are be it in this life or the next and no not every one who says they are part of that religion fallow them and for each religon there are conciquences for those actions. Not every one who doesnt fallow all the rules is a bad person it all depends on what you believe and what you believe will become of your choices but you can not group evey person and every religion just becaus of some people becaus taht is a debate in itself with any religon
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Female 219
@madest: do you think that you get your opinion across better or change minds by simply sounding smart or coming up with bullpoo facts wich you have not put any reserch in what-so-ever ? Now im not going to say that i know everything about christianity because i dont and im not going to say i know everything about any religion cus i dont but you nor i know for sure that all or none of any religion exists its all based on beliefs and everyone is entitled to them those kind of beliefs are what helps influances our decisions if you had no fear of being punished for your actions (well maybe not you personally) then what kind of world do you think we would live in today? Whether it be true or untrue what right do you have to try and convince others that they are wrong and i know thats awful hippocritical because i know religions to just that. A wile agout people thought the world was flat and now look at today and im sure there were people out there just like taht that tried to convince
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Male 881
@madest, you are cherry picking the evidence. While complications did have a slightly higher percentage, overall major events and 30 day mortality was statistically equivalent across all 3 of the test groups. The conclusion drawn by the researchers was that prayer had "no effect on complication-free recovery from coronary artery bypass graft". It absolutely did not prove that prayer does more harm, that was simply media spin and is now Atheist spin.
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Male 881
@hwkiller, what I think people are responding to here is a belief that this picture mocks the young earth Creationists, not the metaphysical realm as a whole.

I agree with you about science and God, but I`m curious about your thoughts since you are a Scientist and a Christian. Do you see what harm young earth Creationists do to the world and Christianity? How do you reconcile the differences between the Bible and Science?
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Male 2,868
Thanks for posting the link to that study, davymid. It`s interesting, but I still object to madest`s assertion, based on this single study, that it has been "proven" that prayer does more harm than good. At best, this study demonstrates that prayer may in some cases do more harm than good. Hardly scientific proof- which brings me back to my original, more general objection misapplying scientific data to make stronger claims than warranted- especially to back up one`s own beliefs or to discredit another`s- it does a disservice to science.
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Male 7,378
Yeah thanks davymid. That was it. Geewhiz, I thought everybody knew that. Certainly wan`t trying to "offend" sbleez... That study was just a few years ago and it made all the news outlets. You must have been born after that...

Maybe the study would have had better results if they didn`t jump to the conclusion that religious people have "benevolent intentions" as you put it. Nobody can see inside another`s head so perhaps some of those religious people were actually praying for the subject to die so they could go home and have some dinner..
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Male 91
Everyone STFU...It`s clearly just a joke. like ha ha ha laugh at it. If its not funny to you then look at the other wonderful content hosted on IAB :l There`s no need to type out 4 paragraphs on your religious beliefs.
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Male 490
To be completely honest, I don`t understand why this site seems to love cheapshots at religion.
What will that accomplish?

Insulting religious people will help your "cause" just as much as the Christians who shove their beliefs down others` throats.

This is a pretty funny picture. For no reason should it have been used for a cheap shot from what I like to call "evangelical atheists".

You don`t believe in the metaphysical realm; that`s fine. You don`t have to.
Others do believe in the metaphysical realm; that`s fine. They have that right.

You can`t prove there isn`t a metaphysical realm. They can`t prove there is a metaphysical realm.

Why is this such a problem?
I understand there are lots of really stupid religious people who honestly ruin the name of their people. I understand many wars have occurred due to religion (and still are). Blame the people. Not the religion.
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Male 69
please stop this makes no sense there is no need to keep doing this.
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Male 12,138
"ORLLY Madest? How so? Cite a peer-reviewed study."

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Sorry, staying out of this one, just thought I could help answer that question: I believe Madest is referring to a study by Harvard Medical School in 2006, which was one of the few properly conducted scientific tests on the effects of prayer (scientists normally don`t bother with such research, so there`s not much literature on it).

Anyways, headline of that study is that post-op heart surgery patients who were told they were being prayed for (and were prayed for) were not only just as likely to develop complications than those who weren`t prayed for, but were actually MORE likely to develop complications (59% vs 52%). Link to the study HERE.

Like I said, not getting involved in the debate, just helping out with a specific question.
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Female 3,574
@defiythelie it`s not. Infact it has nothing to do with religion at all. It`s from this blog. They have lots of these. They`re made up, photoshopped and pretty funny.
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Male 76
holy hell people. its suppose to be a humorous picture yet you guys have to go and get all serious about everything. chuckle at it and MOVE ON.
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Male 12,365
I`ve got a more personal take on it:

Religion is a direct threat to my freedom and my life.

Science isn`t.
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Male 12,365
[quote]Remember the hole in the ozone layer that was going to kill us all? Remember scientists in the 1970s who were predicting the coming of the next ice age?[/quote]

Like a lot of people, you are confusing media stories that are slightly about science with science. The usual scenario is like this:

Amidst a lot of speaking or text, a scientist comments that quite a lot of time has passed since the last ice age.

A reporter hears or sees this and next day the headline reads SCIENTISTS SAY ICE AGE WILL START SOON!
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Male 230
I would not be surprised if this was from a creationist flyer LOL.
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Female 250
WHAT THE drat IS WITH ALL THESE LONG ASS COMMENTS.
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Male 3,915
LOLZ RELIGINS FER STOOPIDS!
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Male 490
The metaphysical is not for science. Science has to `bracket` that question and all questions pertaining to it.
Don`t make absolute statements in the case of the metaphysical. The answer is outside the realm of science. The only thing left to say is whether you *personally* believe in something besides the physical.
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Male 490
Theology is for the metaphysical. We can`t prove it. And that`s fine too. That`s not the realm of science anyway.

Scientific skepticism isn`t the act of assuming the inexistance of some entity when unobserved. It`s remaining skeptical of its existance when unobserved. To say "God doesn`t exist" is just as blind as "God does exist," simply because the scientific realm does not extend to the metaphysical, it`s strictly tied to the physical. "I don`t believe God exists because I need empirical evidence first" is acceptable.
"God doesn`t exist because I haven`t seen any evidence" is not. That`s not scientific skepticism. That`s an absolute statement.

No scientists should outright *deny* the existence of something based on whether he or she has not seen it. If the question of whether something exists is outside of the possibility of science, it simply means we cannot prove it. It doesn`t rule out believing in it.
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Male 490
@sbeelz
Yeah, he`s not correct at all, actually. Prayer, spirituality, theology, whatever you want to call it, has been found to be healthier for people.
Why?

1) Constant, unyielding perceived social support.
2) Even when feeling out of control, they feel that someone greater is in control.
3) Greatly increased self-efficacy.
And quite a number more.
Once the proxy server that allows me to access the databases I need comes back up, I`ll give you the citations for it. (In case you don`t know, control and social support are very significant in the formation of cardiovascular disorders; they are protective factors).

I am christian, but I`m also very much so a scientist (as in, it`s my occupation). People need to remember this:
Science allows us to better understand the world and how it works. It`s empirical, it`s objective, and it brackets questions which it cannot possibly answer. And that`s fine.
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Female 430
:-|
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Male 881
LOL, you don`t seem to realize that the reason the ozone, H1N1, and Mad Cow didn`t turn out as bad is ->BECAUSE<- we believed what the scientists were saying and we fixed the problem ->BEFORE<- it got as bad as they said it might.

Please explain what you think the scientists said about the ozone. You seem to believe that they said it would grow even if we did ban CFCs, or you think by banning CFCs we proved science wrong. Seriously, your argument is ridiculous. They warn us CFCs are causing a ozone hole, we ban CFCs, ozone hole shows improvement and you think science got it wrong? /boggle
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Male 496
The hole in the ozone layer does not have the dire consequences we were lead to believe it would. We were all supposed to be wearing SPF 45,000 sunblock by now. But that was just to illustrate. If you want something more recent, what happened to the H1N1 pandemic? Hmmm... I think I must have put it with the avian flu pandemic...

My point is that there`s a lot of garbage that we get fed in TV and magazines that gets passed off as "science" which turns out to be drastically overstated or just plain wrong. I`m not attacking science per se, I`m just saying you have to use your head and approach science with the same skepticism as you would anything else.

For example, I can`t wait until the next mad cow scare comes along to drive down the price of a nice juicy steak. But you better believe I`m impressed that we can interpret a chimp`s neurons firing so much so that the chimp can control a robotic arm with its mind.
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Male 2,868
`"I`ll pray for you". Save your breath honey it`s been scientifically proven to do more harm than good.`

ORLLY Madest? How so? Cite a peer-reviewed study. I don`t practice any religion, nor do I pray- but I believe there is value in people taking the time to express their benevolent intentions- even if they`re doing it internally and speaking to an imaginary being.

Mostly though, I find your broad-sweeping declaration that prayer is "harmful" without saying how and simply claiming that it is backed by science to be offensive from a scientific standpoint. It`s that kind of behavior that makes scientists look bad- just as religious fundamentalists make the average church-goer look bad.
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Male 881
kilroy5555, that argument has flaws and great truth. Science kind of is like Microsoft in that you have to wait for the first service pack before it is stable.

But your argument is also flawed. Science is the best answer we have. You make it sound like there is a choice. Put another way, you are instructing people not to completely believe in science because science sometimes gets it wrong, so instead they should continue believing what is known to be wrong in the meantime? Eggs are good, eggs are bad, eggs are good, eggs are bad, forget it, I`ll listen to what my grandmother told me about eggs? Is that your position? Science found the health benefits of eggs to be complicated and it corrected itself when it found itself to be in error. My grandmother stands by her egg recommendation without any good reason or evidence and she doesn`t care.

BTW, there is a hole in the ozone and it does increase skin cancer. We also curbed it growth by listening to the scienti
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Female 3,574
I`m sorry if you took my comments as "pointing the finger at atheists". That wasn`t my intention. Whether you`re christian and trying to get an atheist to see your side or vice versa, I have never seen insults and attacks work very well. That is all I meant to say.
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Male 881
Seriously pui, I`m not trying to insult you, and if you feel that I have then I am sorry.

I am angered that you point the finger at Atheists as the problem. I don`t know the details of your personal beliefs, but I suspect that the things you enjoy and cherish about your religion are not offensive to anyone. What people find offensive is the construct that religion has made to rationalize the parts they enjoy and I don`t think that part is worth defending.

In my opinion, Christians should drop the bullpucky and stick to the good parts. Stop pushing the literal interpretation of the Bible (or stop those that do it in your religions name) and stop pointing the finger at non-believers who fight back. Instead, focus on the respectable teaching of Jesus. I don`t understand why this is such an issue. Why defend a 6,000 year old earth in defiance of all evidence just so that you can love thy neighbor?
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Male 496
Another example is the constant barrage of scientific studies that have constant reversals about what kinds of food are good/bad for you.

My point is that unless you are able to go verify the authenticity of scientific studies yourself, then you must place your faith in the authors of the studies to be incorruptible and accurate. Merely because something is termed "science" doesn`t mean that it`s fact...
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Male 496
Also, watch yourself before putting your entire faith in science, because science can be coopted by ideology.

Science was used to justify slavery, euthanasia, and the holocaust. It`s something we can point to today as "bad science," but that doesn`t mean it wasn`t considered science at one time.

Science can also be thrown for a loop when scientists start drawing conclusions based on an incomplete picture. Previously undiscovered/overlooked variables can come in from left field and completely change the science as it was once understood. Remember the hole in the ozone layer that was going to kill us all? Remember scientists in the 1970s who were predicting the coming of the next ice age?

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Female 3,574
@madest ... I guess I don`t care that much what other people think of me to change my mind based on an insult. I don`t base my opinions on peer pressure, so why would I change my mind because of it?
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Male 2,796
Oh, and I know this is off topic, but since I mentioned it:

If you want to see some very disturbed people, look up "gang stalking" on youtube and sift through a few videos. Very, very crazy people living freely among us that think they are victims of gang stalking all the time.
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Male 2,796
"It`s more likely that the people "calling people out" on being religious just want a small ego boost from putting down someone else. It seems insecure, nonconstructive and petty to me."

I can`t speak for others really, but this is honestly no ego boost for me. I find it very interesting to see the responses to my rather rude, in-your-face kind of attitude. It intrigues me to see how some handle it, just like it intrigues me to watch videos of paranoid delusional gang stalker victims, or hoarders. It is my opinion that religion is largely made up with extreme thought processes and unfortunately, extreme behavior. I study it like I do with everything else. And there is absolutely no better or safer way to solicit responses than from the saftey of my own home, anonymously.

I have manners in real life... you would never know what I really thought if you met me.
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Male 7,378
@pui, My mind was changed by someone who called me stupid for believing this drivel. Why couldn`t insults change minds?
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Male 881
Conversion as you imply it doesn`t happen, but conversion does happen. It is a slow process and this is part of it. Mocking religion strips it of it`s protection that society has given it over the years. That frees people to think for themselves rather than to mindlessly accept what everyone around them seems to accept. As more people start thinking through the issue for themselves, the more likely they will choose reality. The more that people choose reality, the more likely that the next person will see that it is OK to choose reality.

The believers aren`t my target audience, they are simply here to show the world how crazy they sound when they try to defend religion. I know I wont convert you, but there are people reading this who are on the fence. You are reasonable and don`t do religion much harm, but some others on this board give a good window into some of the crazy religious beliefs.
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Female 3,574
@NottaSpy thinking someone is stupid or crazy is fine. I don`t see the point in calling them out on it. If you genuinely want to convert them because you believe it would better them and better the world, than you`re doing it wrong because no one is going to listen to you if you insult them. It`s more likely that the people "calling people out" on being religious just want a small ego boost from putting down someone else. It seems insecure, nonconstructive and petty to me.
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Male 881
Another thing I think you miss is that religion has lost it`s protected status. It is now fair game just like the rest of the world`s crazy ideas. I don`t feel guilty in calling bullpucky when I see it. It`s human nature, and I`m sure you do it too. If I told you that leprechauns live in my ear and whisper the great truths to me, you would think I`m stupid or crazy. You tell me that the earth is 6,000 years old and I`ll think you are stupid or crazy.

You bring up a different topic now though. If you find how people use the anonymity of the internet to be rude and offensive, then I agree. I hate it. But I am a hypocrite in that regard, since I do it too. You wouldn`t tell me my leprechaun idea is crazy to my face, but I`m sure you would from the safety of your computer.

BTW, I don`t start these debates anymore than you do, but don`t condemn me for responding because I don`t condemn you for responding.
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Female 3,574
Religious people are not the ones starting this "debates" on IAB.
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Female 3,574
Even though science isn`t based on just opinion, it`s rude and offensive to tell other people what they should think when they didn`t ask for your opinion. There must be a better way to get the word out there. Trust me, you`re not changing anyone`s mind that way.
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Male 881
@pui, I think I see where you`re coming from. If I get this right, you are saying that I am forcing my beliefs on others while telling others not to force their beliefs on people and that makes me a hypocrite. A lot of Atheists do force their beliefs on people and that is hypocritical. I don`t find what I`ve said to be hypocritical though. I don`t tell people there is or isn`t a God, because I don`t know. I do tell people that creationism is bull, because I can back it up with science. Unfortunately, people seem to view science as little more than opinion, rather than being the rigorously tested and challenged explanation of reality. Science is not a belief or opinion, it is fact as best as we can tell. Religion is a belief. If someone makes a statement that false based on religion and I call them out using facts, I do not find that hypocritical.
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Female 3,574
Well, as long as you`re willing to admit it`s hypocritical.
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Male 2,796
"@NottaSpy ... isn`t that hypocritical though? Not all christians go around shoving their opinions down people`s throats. Aren`t a lot of you guys doing to christians exactly what you hate them doing to you? o_O"

Yup... I suppose that sums it up quite nicely what I am doing. The really cool thing about it is that I know I won`t go to hell for it, plus I don`t have the conviction from god telling me that it`s wrong. Life can be good sometimes when you`re an atheist! :P
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Female 3,574
@NottaSpy ... isn`t that hypocritical though? Not all christians go around shoving their opinions down people`s throats. Aren`t a lot of you guys doing to christians exactly what you hate them doing to you? o_O
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Male 12,138
D`awww, Young Earth Creationists are so cute.
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Male 7,378
[quote]please tell meh why people who do not believe in any god or anything at all insist on proving to religious people that what they believe is stupid and wrong?[/quote]
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Mind if I take a shot at this?
In order to "believe" you need to put aside all logic and blindly accept a 2,000 year old fairy tale full of rules it`s followers don`t follow anyway.
Religion is full of BS statements that mean nothing to anyone. "Jesus died for your sins". No he didn`t, Jesus was lynched. "I`ll pray for you". Save your breath honey it`s been scientifically proven to do more harm than good. Churches are on every corner much of it prime real estate that they never pay taxes on. Religion is a scam that robs people of common sense.
I could go on but what`s the point?
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Male 417
Lighten up folks ... Christians and Agnostic alike can laugh at this one.
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Male 881
I am fine with letting people have whatever beliefs they want. What makes non-believers angry toward religion is that believers fall back on the "live and let live" philosophy when their religion is attacked, but they don`t follow that philosophy when they are forcing their beliefs on others through public policy.
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Male 881
It might help if you stop crossing topics. God and Religion are separate topics when you are discussing proof.

There is no way to know if God exists or not. If you are sure that God does not exist, then that is a belief and it is just as faulty as those who believe He does exist.

Religion on the other hand is testable. The old testament is clearly wrong about a great things, and since it is the basis for the 3 major religions, those religions are also wrong.

So if you believe God is a banana, then that is your belief and nobody can argue with you. If you make claims about your banana religion that science can disprove (ex. The Big Bang was an explosion of fruits and vegetables), then expect to be called stupid.
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Female 219
please tell meh why people who do not believe in any god or anything at all insist on proving to religious people that what they believe is stupid and wrong? I understand that some religioious people can get a lil strong in their beliefs and like to push it on people but if it keeps them happy then why do you insist on bringing them down. The truth is no one knowes for sure no matter how many facts you try to show someone or what you "think you can prove" To mess with someone beliefs just for the sake of proving that you are right is just plain effed up and showes that you have nothing better to do with your time than to crush other peoples lives and to you i say you are pathetic keep your opinions to yourself i mean what does it matter to you
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Male 2,796
"If it galls you that you don`t like religious people because you think they`re stupid, then why doesn`t other stupid behavior gall you just as much?"

Obvious stupid behavior does bother me and I can be just as outspoken about it. But, this thread is about religion.
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Male 11
Rock on, pui.
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Male 2,796
"then what are you getting so worked up about? What makes it so important for you to call people`s beliefs "sad and sick", and the people who have them "dumb" or "idiots"?"

Because there have been no wars in the name of science, that`s why. I have a vested interest in this because I have fought and will continue to fight in wars against people who use their religion as an excuse to kill. And before you say it, I do not lump all people that are religious into the category of murderous zealots. However, some religions like Islam and Christianity have either in the past or are concurrently killing in the name of their god because of their doctrine. My beef is with doctrine and the dumb people that take it seriously. That doctrine is as dangerous as a loaded weapon in the hands of a child.
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Male 11
"And quit using the word "belief" for non religious people. It either does or does not exist. There is no and has never been any proof of god therefore an atheist does not believe. A scientific or logical mind doesn`t believe in the non-tangible, it either is, or is not."

Yet I can say with some certainty that on one of the billions of planets in the universe, there is a tree growing that I will never see with my eyes nor will I ever see a photograph of it. But aren`t I still allowed to believe it is there? I don`t need to see it... I am agnostic about its existence because I can`t say definitively that it exists. But I BELIEVE it exists without any doubt, which has absolutely no bearing on what I can or cannot prove.
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Male 11
Splurby, here`s your problem. The religious people also believe that they have proof. All of the non-believers are just calling it science. I don`t believe in Adam and Eve, I believe in evolution. I don`t believe in Noah`s Ark, yet I still believe in God. And that`s where you are missing the point. Religion is designed (by humans) to make us feel like we are part of something bigger, that we have some reason to be here. What I believe isn`t what you believe, and I`m cool with that. But if I want to believe that God is a banana, I don`t have to support it in scripture, or in a laboratory, or in a vision in my dreams. I don`t have to prove that to you or anyone else at all.
If that is what makes me happy and makes me feel like I am part of something bigger, then what are you getting so worked up about? What makes it so important for you to call people`s beliefs "sad and sick", and the people who have them "dumb" or "idiots"?
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Male 496
"lol I saw that coming. Every time I say I used to be christian, they think its a cry for help. "

Not really. And this wasn`t about you specifically. But it would explain why atheists are so virulently anti-religion, which is a phenomenon that I`m trying to figure out.

If it galls you that you don`t like religious people because you think they`re stupid, then why doesn`t other stupid behavior gall you just as much?

Maybe it`s b/c you feel you were duped by religion for years?
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Male 2,796
"Why do you care what someone else believes or doesn`t believe? I happen to think it`s because somewhere inside, you have doubts about your position and therefore the existence of anyone who disagrees with you is a threat..."

lol I saw that coming. Every time I say I used to be christian, they think its a cry for help.
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Male 2,796
"Okay next time you go back 300 million years to see dinosaurs, let me know. It`s all interpretation of evidence - nobody alive now has ever seen a live dinosaur, so we have to guess. And as far as I`m aware, every way that non-creationists think creationists `explain away` dinosaurs does not match up to how creationists actually believe dinosaurs went extinct."

True, nobody can say 100% how they went extinct, but we can and have figured out how old the fossils are, which debunks a lot of religious crap all by itself. Also, the fact that we know there are mountain ranges below the sea and sea fossils on some of the tallest mountains says a lot to how violently the world has physically changed in the last few million years. At least science can study tangible data to come up with sound hypothesis.
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Male 496
But if you wind up being wrong as an atheist, no harm no foul. "Hell" from the Jewish point of view (which is where we get the concept anyway), is merely distance from God. And if you`re an athiest, that really shouldn`t bother you at all.
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Male 496
So why not just live and let live? I might think people are stupid for standing in lines to buy lottery tickets, but I don`t stand around shouting into a loudspeaker about what their odds are and the better uses their money can be put to.

Why do you care what someone else believes or doesn`t believe? I happen to think it`s because somewhere inside, you have doubts about your position and therefore the existence of anyone who disagrees with you is a threat...

Or not. But it doesn`t matter to me b/c I don`t really care what you believe. Live and let live, brother. Peace and love, peace and love.
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Male 2,796
"However, atheists and believers suffer from the same problem: both fervently believe they are right, yet neither has proof of anything they believe."

And another thing, most atheists don`t go around trying to disprove god... we don`t have to at all. Science has already done that. We do however, go around call you people idiots because you annoy us enough to want to spit. It`s effing ridiculous people can be so damn dumb. It`s actually sad and sick. To think of how many people in this deny the reality and logic that surrounds them every day is astounding. It makes me think half or more of the population has serious psychological problems. I should know, I used to be a very devout christian for years until I realized just how many holes there are in christianity that have to be filled with blind faith. If science went on blind faith we would all be dead by now.
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Male 2,796
"An atheist sees proof of their beliefs in the science around them; the believer sees their proof in the wonder around them."

What`s funny about this (aside from it being a really dumb statement) is the fact that the "wonder" that these believers apparently see around them is something the rest of us simply call science.

And quit using the word "belief" for non religious people. It either does or does not exist. There is no and has never been any proof of god therefore an atheist does not believe. A scientific or logical mind doesn`t believe in the non-tangible, it either is, or is not.

I don`t go around believing in the tree that`s in front of me, because it`s in front of me. I equally don`t believe in a tree in Russia, because I don`t have to... other people have seen that tree and taken photo`s of it (hard evidence).
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Male 177
Ah, i did miss the huge comment warz of IAB. Glad to be back.
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Male 2,229
The "nature of god" is not something man can pray to for their absolution of sins( real or perceived). Since the algorithms that govern all life in this universe, have been set in motion well before humanity ever existed, and will be in motion well after humanity passes on.

To wrap ones mind into the time scales involved, is humbling. Since We as a species are very small, on a small world, in a small star system in a small corner of a moderate to small galaxy. Which in turn is just one "grain in the beach of sand". This scale is very difficult for some to fathom in regards to the numbers involved, life is more or less common in the universe, wither its communicative we trying to figure out...
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Male 11
splurby:
"We tear it down because unlike religion, science can be proven. Religion have had well over 4000 years of proving something and have proved absolutely nothing except that in their fervor, they can create wrs, death and destruction worldwide. So yeah, religion = the very height of stupidity."

However, atheists and believers suffer from the same problem: both fervently believe they are right, yet neither has proof of anything they believe. An atheist sees proof of their beliefs in the science around them; the believer sees their proof in the wonder around them. Ironically, the atheist that chides the believer for having faith that God exists also has an equally fervent faith that God doesn`t exist. Therefore, I believe we should all be agnostics in reason, but believers in whatever faith makes us happy and comfortable with ourselves. I can`t prove God exists, therefore I am an agnostic. However, I believe God exists, therefore I am a believer.
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Female 387
"We tear it down because unlike religion, science can be proven. Religion have had well over 4000 years of proving something and have proved absolutely nothing except that in their fervor, they can create wrs, death and destruction worldwide. So yeah, religion = the very height of stupidity."

Okay next time you go back 300 million years to see dinosaurs, let me know. It`s all interpretation of evidence - nobody alive now has ever seen a live dinosaur, so we have to guess. And as far as I`m aware, every way that non-creationists think creationists `explain away` dinosaurs does not match up to how creationists actually believe dinosaurs went extinct.
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Female 2,120
HAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHA! Religion aside, this is funny.
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Male 2,229
Religion is a spectrum of indoctrination towards being controlled. Some individuals require more than others, some (most) will bend towards indoctrination out of fear (real or imagined).

Religion is about crowd control, on a massif scale. And because humans in general tend towards herd behaviour, will seek out company of like minded people `hang with` (also referred to "preaching to the converted").

Religion isn`t bad on it own, but it is when men(mostly) have used religion to justify horrendous acts of barbaric cruelty against follow humans that are not of "the herd"; group; or some other defining characteristic sputtered out by `the leaders`(this is including any person "of the faith" that is in a leadership position)

On the flip side, science can not "believe" in something/anything that can not be observed, tested, measured or inferred (this is only done when the no direct information can be collected).
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Male 2,796
"Reading some posts here demonstrate the problem that I have with a lot of athiests. For many, it`s not enough to reject religion, but they must go further, tearing down religion and condescending to those who believe. They DEMAND respect for their own views while arrogantly refusing to recognize the views of others as legitimate."

We tear it down because unlike religion, science can be proven. Religion have had well over 4000 years of proving something and have proved absolutely nothing except that in their fervor, they can create wrs, death and destruction worldwide. So yeah, religion = the very height of stupidity.
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Male 881
@kittkatkatie, you are right that there is no way to know if God is real or not. You make a logical error when you assume that if he is real that that means that religion has it right. There is plenty of ways to know if Christianity got it right, since we can compare the Bible to reality. Unfortunately for you it is clear that the Bible did not get it right. We can also look at the history of Christianity and scientifically rule it out as the cause of human morality. I think you have contributed to that last point by hoping that a complete stranger burns in hell.
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Male 496
Reading some posts here demonstrate the problem that I have with a lot of athiests. For many, it`s not enough to reject religion, but they must go further, tearing down religion and condescending to those who believe. They DEMAND respect for their own views while arrogantly refusing to recognize the views of others as legitimate.

On another note, I believe most people do believe in something, and political ideology often steps in to fill that void. Why do you think it`s one of the first objectives of most totalitarian regimes to obliterate religion?

I just watched Europa Europa last night. Paraphrasing:

Communist party teacher speaking to children, "You prayed to God to let candy rain down and nothing happened. Now pray to Stalin for your candy." The children do, and people throw candy down from a vent in the ceiling.

I always thought that scene was instructive.
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@kittkatkatie
That`s very Christian of you to hope that someone burns in hell.
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Male 6,693
I didn`t know Dinosaurs were ditch diggers.
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Male 197
When I really think about it it blows my mind. If there is a God/s/esses or not, it`s still an amazing experience. We are either God`s children striving for eternity, or we are earths bacteria striving for some understanding. Either way, mind blowing.
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Female 5,222
>.<
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Male 5,189
What elhowell said.
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Female 109
@AtheistAlien
i hope you burn in hell. some people believe in god. there is no way to tell if he`s real or not, but it requires faith to believe that he exists. religion is not FAKE you fu ck wad
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Male 168
I think its funny when you all go off topic.
Appreciate this image for what it is.

Unless one of you really is going to change the way someone thinks by posting your beliefs all over the I-am-bored forums.
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Male 809
Science is fact, not opinion. It may not know everything, but it tells us a million times more than religion. Religion is fake, with no support or proof of it claims. It is religions burden to prove their claims, not anyone else`s burden to disprove them. Where are the shovels? THE SHOVELS!?!?!
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Male 782
Opinions on religion and science both fail. Because they are just that; Opinions. People are so set on their beliefs whether it be religious, scientific, paranormal, or whatever that most people cannot be persuaded to change their mind because the very idea that what they have known their whole life could be wrong scares the living bejesus out of them. Plus, everyone knows that one half of the dinosaurs imploded when they simultaneously burped, farted, and sneezed. While the other half gouged each others eyes out by running around with grapefruit spoons.
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Male 540
Not so the fate of the mighty Parasaurolophus, who left the planet and now occupy part of the delta quadrant in a slightly more human shape.

Albeit lumpier.

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Male 1,365
Dinos didn`t die..everyone knows they escaped in a time machine and are occupying the year 2012. Christians believe that this could be our downfall, that Dinos are probably better at building automobiles than humans. So the job market will become way more competitive than it is now.
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Male 2,796
I don`t know how some of you people can say that "science doesn`t know everything" as if it`s a valid argument.

Science does not know eerything, true, however on any given subject we know more about any scientific subject than we did 20 years ago and so on. Through research, testing, theory, and evidence we have accomplished these things and will continue to do so. The only thing in the world that cannot include any of these things is the existence of god and that`s where religion fails big time.

Take for instance this picture. It`s simple: If we know that layers of the earth or rocks or mountains take hundreds of thousand of years or more to form, and there are bones from ancient animals in them, logic tells you that they existed long before man ever did. Science doesn`t need much else to soundly disprove any manmade religion.
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Male 95
haha religion fails...
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Male 333
Science doesn`t know everything and there is no higher power, there now shut up.
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Male 590
must just be me but i don`t get the picture or why it`s anti-religion
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Male 4,793
Uh oh...i think this needs some fuel...Did you guys know that the christian god is actually evil? If he even exists. Which he probably doesn`t, given the physical evidence.
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Male 5,094
Oh. Another science/religion flamewar. Must be Friday. *grabs beer and popcorn* Go team!
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Male 2,220
Dinosaurs didn`t die out. They ditched the shovels and evolved feathers.

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Male 2,850
@buscompany

"In fact, most scientific arguments take the form of If P then Q, Q, therefore P, which is a logical fallacy called affirming the consequent."

Show me ONE example of a scientific argument that does that.

It shouldn`t take you too long, if most scientific arguments do that, as you say.

I`ll be waiting for your example.
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Male 2,850
Additional:

"And there are plenty of things like this where we just have to accept that science `doesn`t know` and continue on."

That is exactly what the scientific mind DOES NOT DO: we don`t accept we don`t know and move on. We accept we don`t know, then we try to found out so that we DO know.

Science isn`t a big magic tome full of "answers" like a religious text. It`s a METHOD of discovering knowledge reliably and accurately, not a repository of that knowledge itself.

With science, we say "we don`t know how this works...but let`s see if we can figure it out."
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Male 2,850
@buscompany

"To say that science requires absolutely no faith is completely wrong"

Why do we keep hearing this argument from the religious? It`s as if you know that faith is ridiculous and mindless, and rather than try to eradicate it from yourself you try to paint others as just as tainted by it as yourself.

Faith is to believe something without proof. Science is to ONLY believe what is proven. It is the very antithesis to faith.
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Male 5,189
I know how they died. Those giant brains from futurama killed them.
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Male 2,850
@afropick3000

Try putting some punctuation in there, kiddo. Run-on sentences like that make me imagine you have foam speckles around your mouth, wide, constantly moving eyes, and neighbours who are worried about you.
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Male 6,737
Christianity is like parenting.

When my 5 year old son asks me how Superman can fly, I tell him it`s magic and he believes it.

When Christianity hits a stumbling block they amend their beliefs (no mention of dinosaurs in the bible methinks) and call it fact.
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Male 69
you know everybody has opinions and thats fine but the problem i see here is anyone can make a claim for whatever they feel is the truth and a good claim at that but as i read these posts and understand only a few of these there are some truths and untruths about whats being said how about the jr scientists or rookie "atheists" stop bashing what they don`t understand because as soon as they find themselves in trouble they start praying to a god that they claim not to believe in and the half assed bible readers or "christians" who drink and smoke stop trying to tell everyone to accept jesus when they don`t even have a clue how to do it because if you truly did this would not upset you! NO ONE KNOWS THE TRUTH!
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Female 249
Cont on above post. Three posts in a row? What the hell?

The further back you go through the fossil record the more primitive we are. Humans evolved.

Evolution ftw
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Female 249
I think this is the place

http://creationmuseum.org/

Sorry creationists, but some of the theories they purpose are down right retarded. Fellow evolutionists, you will get a laugh at least.

I follow the evolution theory. Why? Their is both fossil and living evidence for it. New genetic mutations are seen in domestic stock and can be propagated through selective breeding (a kind of artificial natural selection really, except instead of survival animals are bred for beauty like ornamental fish, or usefulness, like cows who produce more milk. So the most beautiful or useful survive while the rest are culled or not bred from)

But Galapagos finches for instance.
Fossil record and layers
Archaeopteryx
Human fossil remains
etc etc

You can peice the story together. It is by no means complete (fossil records still have gaps) The
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Female 249
Ah, I remember seeing something on this online. If I remember theirs some weird Christian "How evolution really happened` museum somewhere in America?

Another golden quite from this place was "We don`t find human remains with dinosaurs because who would bury their family with them" in reference to the different fossil layers (because of course if modern humans had existed at the same time as dinosaurs like they claim, we would find their remaind in the same fossil layer)

Its really retarded, I`ll look it up for you if I can get it.

Evolution FTW baby.
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Male 36
@rakoonhat lmao, you sir just made me lol :-D
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Female 654
dinosaurs with shovels...

i think they fell over...i mean look at those little arms...there`s no way they could push themselves back up. they`d be bulldozing themselves around for the rest of thier lives.
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Male 2,220
"Total number of people killed, ever, by others:
284 million. (Robert J Pummel, University of Hawaii)."

Wow, that Robert dude was a right psycho...
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Female 124
I feel like we`ve been lied to our entire lives, until now.
(anybody who thinks I`m actually serious- you`re adorable)
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Male 40,739
Sweet dreams Angilion!
Zzzzzzz
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Male 12,365
[quote]I`d disagree. My arguement is that `science` doesn`t know everything. That these unknowns amount to `having faith`.[/quote]

I argue that is so only if you choose an unknown and claim it known. If you acknowledge it as unknown, it is not faith.

Damn, it`s 6 in the morning here and I need to get up for work in 4 hours. Damn, damn, damn. That`s not going to be fun. I`m too old for that.

I`m going to have to come back tomorrow.
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Male 40,739
[quote]It hasn`t happened yet, but that in itself isn`t proof that it can`t happen.[/quote]

If you read lots of RA.Wilson or C.Fort you`d tend to think these sorts of things happen with alarming frequency!
Which isn`t `proof` of anything related to this discussion, but is really interesting! (the writings of Wilson & Fort I mean, and cryptozoology in general)
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Female 130
DANCE, DANCE THE JIG OF THE TROLLS!!
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Male 12,365
[quote]You have to have faith in induction. One of, if not the, greatest problems in philosophy of science is that induction can not logically be proven, and induction is the foundation for all science.[/quote]

Good point. It is possible that reality is not consistent and things that have been true for as long as we can tell with suddenly become untrue for no apparent reason. It hasn`t happened yet, but that in itself isn`t proof that it can`t happen.
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Male 106
@Angilion
To say that science requires absolutely no faith is completely wrong. Contrary to popular belief, science is not based in logic. In fact, most scientific arguments take the form of If P then Q, Q, therefore P, which is a logical fallacy called affirming the consequent. In order to practice science, you have to have faith that confirming Q enough times will be adequate justification for P, which can never truly be proven by logic.
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Male 40,739
[quote]I think you`ve just countered your own argument.[/quote]
I`d disagree. My arguement is that `science` doesn`t know everything. That these unknowns amount to `having faith`.
My example is how science can `prove` two OPPOSITE positions, each 100% true! How can that be reconsiled? idk, but I call it faith.
I`d say "I don`t know" is the default position of FAITH eh? As in: I don`t know how/why but I still believe it. (light is a particle dammit! not a wave! I have faith in that!)
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Male 1,196
i knew it
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Male 40,739
Religious war:



Lolz! I`m going to pass out on my keyboard now...
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Male 12,365
[quote]And there are plenty of things like this where we just have to accept that science `doesn`t know` and continue on.[/quote]

Which does not mean having faith. In fact, it`s pretty much the opposite of having faith - it`s saying "I don`t know". Which is the default position of science - "I don`t know".

I think you`ve just countered your own argument.
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Male 12,365
[quote]A brave statement Angilion! But you DON`T `know` ALL the forces involved, because there are plenty of things science does not (yet) understand, eh?[/quote]

True in principle, but if something has been tested and worked a couple of billion times it`s more than a little bit of a stretch to postulate some unknown forces that might suddenly come into effect.

Which isn`t the point anyway. Say, for example, I am involved in some sort of rescue mission in deep space and I need to shoot some equipment into the damaged ship I am rescuing people from, making sure it gets there in time but doesn`t have too much kinetic energy when it gets there. Perhaps, just perhaps, there is a person nearby with telekinetic powers that operate using some method I don`t understand. Doesn`t matter. If I know how much force they will exert and in what direction, I still know the forces involved.
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Male 40,739
[quote]Not if you do science properly.[/quote]
Again, brave words Angilion, but not quite accurate.
There`s an experiment you can do to PROVE light is made of waves. There`s another experiment that PROVES light is made of particles.
Light can`t be BOTH (that theory sux worse than string theory! lolz!) so which is it? Well, we have faith (belief, trust, same thing) that science will come up with an answer someday.
And there are plenty of things like this where we just have to accept that science `doesn`t know` and continue on.
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Male 601
...There is physical evidence, however, of the theories of the Big Bang, evolution, 65 million year old dinosaurs, and so on. Saying something like "The Big Bang is just a theory" gives the impression that it is an unsupported hunch, when the opposite is true.
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Male 601
The unfortunate problem behind science or religion, or anything having to do with fact or fiction is that we are constrained to our own point of view, our own senses. Although we can think beyond ourselves, everything we experience is a function of what we perceive and internalize. If anything, we all have faith that our senses are not lying to us.

We think we know wind exists because we can see its effects on the landscape (leaves rustling, etc), but we have no means of proving whether our experience of wind is genuine. In short, life may simply be an illusion (which it technically is).

We do have means, however, of determining our reality. Consistency of events explained by math and science are so far the best way to determine fact from fiction and help us create our own reality.

My point being, given the consistencies of of the universe, or its properties, there is no reason to believe that there is a higher power. No physical evidence leads to that conc
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Male 40,739
[quote]"I believe in the big bang theory, God said it, and BANG it happened."[/quote]
Lolz! Never heard that one before!

(gets splurby in his sights)



Drat it! Missed again!
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Male 12,365
[quote]it`s just faith VS faith isn`t it? [/quote]

Not really, no. Not if you do science properly.

Faith:

This is what is true because I believe it`s true.

Science:

i) This is what is internally consistent and explains what happens or has happened. It might well be true, but cannot currently be tested.

ii) (i) and also accurately predicts what will happen.

iii) (ii) and also has been tested and not proved wrong.

iv) (iii) and also has been tested repeatedly by numerous people in various ways and not proved wrong.

Then there are scientific laws, which describe but do not explain and which have been tested millions of times and worked every time.

Degrees of probability of truth, but none of them involve faith and none of them are a simple statement of "this is true because I believe it is true".
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Male 188
If you had asked for evidence, I would have gladly given it. Your counterargument was broad as well, so there was no need for detail.
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Male 40,739
[quote">I know all the forces.[/quote">
A brave statement Angilion! But you DON`T `know` ALL the forces involved, because there are plenty of things science does not (yet) understand, eh?
Even something comparitively `simple` as Gravity isn`t `known` until we can prove or disprove the reality and effects of Anti-Gravity.
But otherwise yeah, science IN THEORY doesn`t require faith... once ALL the science is known of course.
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Male 2,796
@sender02:

Dude, get over yourself. (Yeah I rock though, you`re right)

You have been just as vague as I have in every one of your posts. You have thrown out blanket arguments that can be interpreted in a wide range of meanings. You are not using any raw data to support your arguments. The only thing you have managed to do is solicit counter-arguments from people just as general and vague as you. None of it is interesting because of my aforementioned awesomeness.

I mean, yeah I have studied string theory, read the God Particle among other books, read Flat Land, I take great interest in all things outer space, but right now I know I can be much more effective on this thread by trolling. And from the looks of things... it`s working. :P
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Male 106
@5cats
Still, most modern scientific theories provide for more dimensions than 4. Also, I remember being fond, as a kid, of the joke, "I believe in the big bang theory, God said it, and BANG it happened."
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Male 1,834
i dig this
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Male 106
@Angilion
You have to have faith in induction. One of, if not the, greatest problems in philosophy of science is that induction can not logically be proven, and induction is the foundation for all science.
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Male 40,739
vv @buscompany Lolz! A good but not-valid point since I think string theory is silly!
No that is not a cheap pun! String theory, silly, silly string! Lolz! No no! I truely disagree with it.
I`m a big fan of Zeno of Elea, eh?
I believe the `big bang` happened, I just think it was created by God.
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Male 188
back to the topic at hand, Time is a basic part of the building blocks of reality. without an existence, change would not be possible. we would be trapped in a single state. Time is the way in which reality changes, even if it`s not at the rate we percive it.
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Male 12,365
[quote]I have faith in science.[/quote]

I don`t, because none is needed. In fact, I`d say that faith is irrelevant to science.

Say, for example, I want to predict what will happen to an object when forces are applied to it. I know all the forces. I do not need any faith in what the result will be. I just need to stuff the figures into the formula discovered by science. That will predict the movement of the object. It is completely irrelevant whether or not I have any faith in it - the correct figures in the correct formula will give the correct result regardless of what I feel.
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Male 40,739
*image of 5Cats waiting for splurby*


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Male 106
@5cats
Well, in that case, technically you could argue we live in an 11D universe, if you buy into string theory and whatnot.
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Male 188
@splurbyblurbl
You certainly think a lot of yourself. Why would I be concerned about what some troll like you thinks. I`m concerned about being called out by someone who actually has thought through arguments on the topic, instead of just bringing of info from Wikipedia and such. something kind of like goaliejerry here, only more offensive.
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Male 40,739
I think time exists because without it most science doesn`t work.
For an ecclectic example, oh wait, that one is TOO ecclectic!
(strong force & weak force)
Ok, try this: We live in a 4D universe. Just like 1D and 2D universes, the `3D universe` is just an imaginary construct. Universes 1-3D cannot ever exist.
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Female 540
Time is so complex... I think it will take thousands of years before we evolve enough to understand much more about the universe. There`s crazy poo out there. Life is mind blowing.
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Male 2,796
"Thx! Just try to not take them too seriously, eh? There`s a few `reaction trolls` who like to say ANYTHING to get your goat! But there`s also nice folks who actually read this stuff and then agree/disagree for their own reasons.
Plus the occasional friendly debate isn`t boring, which is the point of the site..."

I think there is a point where logical thinking people like myself get bored and tired of the same old, albeit retarded debate. Why debate fact (science) with fiction (god)?? It`s absolutely convoluted and just plain insanity to even attempt it. So really, it`s just fun to call a few people idiots like the sniper-troll I am and then come back to see who got their panties in a twist.
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Male 4,014
"Time" might not even be real. It might be a function of the physical way our brain works.

Consider this easy illustration - using high-speed film, we can record things happening in slow motion that show incredible detail. Like, shooting a water balloon with a bullet. To the naked eye, the balloon just pops quickly with splash. On slow-mo film, the rubber is pierced, retracts, and the gravity acts on the water to make it fall. Slow-mo films can look amazing because its a view of reality we NEVER see.

BOTH VERSIONS ARE "TRUE." But the human mind can only perceive one version of "truth" on its own, but the slow-mo version is also real.

So there is the linear, human view of "time," which depends upon human minds to "see" it, then there is the physical world of time, independent of observation.
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Male 12,365
[quote]"There is no proof of the big bang, just evidence of its effects."

This is now in my top ten of dumbest things I have ever read.[/quote]

It`s badly worded, but what I think they meant to write isn`t that dumb.

There is strong evidence regarding the effects of an event that`s inaccurately labelled "the big bang". Which wasn`t an explosion and couldn`t have been heard from the outside even if it made any noise.

There isn`t any evidence regarding the cause of the event. Maybe it was an incomprehensibly powerful being or beings who made it happen. Maybe not. We don`t know.
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Male 40,739
vv @gaoliejerry an excellent point which many folks (I suspect) get mixed up. Which is why I don`t take the Bible or ANY religious book verbatum.
Blaming `religion` on wars and death is a con-game. It`s all about money, always has been.
"Love of money is the root of all evil"
Now there`s some wisdom I can buy into!
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Male 188
While the general public is getting dumber with each generation, the fact that we can better understand the universe than the generations before us tells me that there will still be people with advanced forms of thinking who can understand how the world works.
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Male 40,739
*poof* into the VOID goes the comment I refered to. Lolz! Perhaps he`s just fixing a typo...
Wait, we all believe in the VOID, right
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Male 12,365
[quote]seriously though, in ancient times civilizations like greece, egypt, the mesopotamians just to name a few well known ones were fighting wars in the names of their respective dietys (sorry for my bad spelling).[/quote]

I`ll counter with the two most famous - Macedonia under Alexander the Great and pre-Christian Rome. Both hugely aggressive expansionist war-mongerers, both highly religious and neither going to war for religious reasons. For example, Alexander was widely welcomed when he conquered Egypt because he respected the Egyptian religion (although he didn`t believe it) and the Persians didn`t. Although they didn`t conquer Egypt for religious reasons either - they conquered it for resources.
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Male 4,014
Let me make a last clarification - there is a difference between pure religious belief (i.e., Jesus was the Son of God) that is not susceptible to proof, and "religious" claims that are, in reality, claims about science (i.e., the world is only 6000 years old).

The first claim cannot reasonably be disproved - the second one can.
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Male 40,739
vv @npdarren I think he means in this debate between God and the Big Bang, in a general way, eh?
Time is not accurate, time is an estimate...
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Male 2,893
I think I remember reading this when I was four and thinking how retarded it was.
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Male 4,014
" I`m sure that one day science will progress to the point that we know how this universe began."

I`m not. Time is perceived in a linear fashion by our brains, which are constrained in their operation by the physical rules of existence. We will never "know" how the universe began. All we can know is enough to say alternate theories are more or less plausible.
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Male 2,796
"@splurbyburbl
pui is right. You`re really itching for a religous flamewar aren`t you, buddy. Problem is, that`s not actually my stance you`re b*tching about."

You`re the religious nutjob, not me... I`m just a jerk with an attitude and keyboard. Oh yeah... and science watches over me. Science has a plan for me. I pray to science all the time. So I declare myself the winner of our brief little flame war.
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Female 40
this is so unrealistic! they didn`t have shovels back then.
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Male 40,739
[quote] a critical and hypocritical monster`s den like this.[/quote]
Thx! Just try to not take them too seriously, eh? There`s a few `reaction trolls` who like to say ANYTHING to get your goat! But there`s also nice folks who actually read this stuff and then agree/disagree for their own reasons.
Plus the occasional friendly debate isn`t boring, which is the point of the site...

vv you`re wrong goaliejerry! (lolz! I`m half-right? eh? 50/50?)
What I really mean is that I hope it`s better odds than a coin flip...
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Male 4,014
"it`s just faith VS faith isn`t it?"

Absolutely, which is why I`ve decided religious debates are stupid for one reason - religion doesn`t lend itself to amendment, so there will be no convincing.

Science, however, is fully cognizant and accepting of its limitations, and (good science) will accept demonstrable proof of when it is wrong, and change. Religion is NOT susceptible to PROOF - so you can NEVER really say any religious belief is "wrong." You can, however, PROVE a scientific theory to be wrong - or at least show it is the best explanation yet.
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almightybob, the believing =/= faith thing makes so much sense. My freshman Biology teacher kept saying during our evolution unit that you shouldn`t BELIEVE in something like evolution. It`s not something you believe in, it`s a theory, so it`s practically fact, so you know it to be true. But I always thought that was weird, because I would say I believe something but it was like fact. You`ve definitely clarified that. Either way, in southern U.S. in a class full of god-loving Christians, the evolution unit is going to be a little awkward anyways. I live among some crazies.
food for thought!
The Last Question- Asimov
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Male 2,748
this is false... dinosaurs didn`t have opposable thumbs to use shovels
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Male 188
Or you can be partialy correct. Like with the big bang. I`m sure that one day science will progress to the point that we know how this universe began. When we finally know the truth, it may be similar to the current theory, but it will not be exactly the same.
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Male 4,014
Science can`t explain gravity, but damn can it accurately predict its effects.
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Male 40,739
[quote]...it involves dense matter leaking from a universe into a `space` where time exists...[/quote]
OR it just went SPLOOIE! And there it was! lolz!
G`night gorgack!

vv A fair comment goaliejerry (who looks nothing like an Ibex) but again it`s just faith VS faith isn`t it?
Don`t get me wrong, I LIKE science! And most religions make me ill. I`m contented to await the afterlife, or lack thereof, to finally settle the debate, eh?
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Male 4,014
Life is too short to not call someone else wrong, at least once. We have a 50/50 chance of being right.
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Male 188
Congradulations on your belief in a greater good, 5cats. Everyone should have the right to believe whatever the hell they want if it makes them act like a better person, feel happy, and get through the day. I also believe in a being greater than myself, I just don`t know enough about it to defend it in a critical and hypocritical monster`s den like this.
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Male 4,014
I have faith in science.

I contend my faith in science, truth, and demonstrable evidence is a corollary to the faith of the religious. I entirely acknowledge the limited extent of human knowledge - the Big Bang IS a theory - an entirely UNPROVABLE one (no one witnessed it, nor can witness. But we can see the radiation echo).

Are you all aware that the shape of the atom, the structure of molecules, is, in fact, mere THEORY. It is constantly being amended - the elementary particles (electrons, protons, neutrons) have all been shown to be composed of smaller particles.

BUT - SCIENCE PROVIDES INCREASED PREDICTABILITY.

Religion does not lend itself to advancement - it is stuck in dogma (although religions have many valid points about, and makes decent predictions of, human moral behavior. So does philosophy, without reference to a deity.)

Praise science - specifically, the Otter version.
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Male 4,680
*`Night. See, I need sleep.
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Male 4,680
"I admited that there was evidence of the universe continualy expanding and that it began doing this far before the date that the Bible implys. There is no proof that an incredible amount of compressed matter just appeared out of nowere and blew up. How can people who believe that make fun of Christians for not having proof when your idea is even more rediculous. You don`t even pretend that you`re imaginary friend did it."
Believe me, there`s an answer/theory of how the Big Bang started but boy is it complex. Put very very very very very VERY basically, it involves dense matter leaking from a universe into a `space` where time exists, but in a completely different form.

There`s also an explanation for where this other universe came from, but because we can only think about things in certain ways we can`t even grasp the concept of this other universe, it`s that bizaare and alien.

I`d look up more info but a) My head hurts now and b) It`s 4:30AM here. `Nig
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Male 40,739
[quote]"There is no proof of the God, just evidence of His Works."[/quote]
FIFY!
Funny how that sword cuts both ways, eh?
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Male 40,739
@almightybob1, I had a post involving `touching my laptop`, hypnosis and stuff `splattered over my clothes` but the dratting censor wouldn`t let me post it!
Ah well... probably for the best!
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Male 497
"There is no proof of the big bang, just evidence of its effects."

This is now in my top ten of dumbest things I have ever read.
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Male 40,739
vv Welcome @sender02 to the flames of IAB! lolz!
Don`t expect madest to make any sense or to actually, you know, REFER to what you said or anything. He`s been like that for a while now...

God created the Big Bag, everyone happy now? No? Then it IS a matter of faith as to where the bang came from.
I prefer to think we are all NOT `an accident` and that some greater good exists. Y`all got a problem with that?
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Male 188
I admited that there was evidence of the universe continualy expanding and that it began doing this far before the date that the Bible implys. There is no proof that an incredible amount of compressed matter just appeared out of nowere and blew up. How can people who believe that make fun of Christians for not having proof when your idea is even more rediculous. You don`t even pretend that you`re imaginary friend did it.
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Male 4,290
[quote]There is no proof of the big bang, just evidence of its effects[/quote]
There is no proof that I shot this man in the head, just evidence of its effects such as my fingerprints on the smoking gun and blood splatter all over my clothes.

Seriously, you want another Big Bang to occur before you`ll accept it? You just acknowledged we have evidence of it.
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Female 59
I`m Christian. I think that is just STUPID! AGH! Why why why are people so.......agh
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Male 188
Although, you`re actually wrong, splurbyburbl. There is no proof of the big bang, just evidence of its effects. the closest anyone has ever gotten to proving that such expansion happend from no matter at all is the Large Hadron Collider, which hasn`t worked yet. If they do, that knoledge won`t help us much, since recreating anything called "the Big Bang" would clearly kill us all.
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Male 188
@splurbyburbl
pui is right. You`re really itching for a religous flamewar aren`t you, buddy. Problem is, that`s not actually my stance you`re b*tching about.
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Female 3,574
To be fair, he didn`t say that the big bang didn`t happen.
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Male 2,796
"The big bang and Christianity are exactly the same in that they both claim everything in the Universe just popped out of nowhere. The only difference is that Christianity gives God the credit, while the Big Bang claims it happened for no reason just so God wouldn`t getany credit."

There are days worth of scientific evidence to support such an event as the big bang. Hell, even the new Halon Colliders are proving it right now. The problem with types like you is that you choose to ignore tangible evidence right in front of your face; instead choosing to pay attention to absolutely zero evidence of any god aside from word of mouth and what you read in a book that cannot be 100% proven of it`s validity.
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Female 477
makes sense.
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Male 25,416
logical!
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Male 188
@Madest. I`m afraid I don`t get your point. How does that make me wrong?
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Female 19
@sender02 ...took the words right outta my mouth. thank you.
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Male 7,378
[quote]The big bang and Christianity are exactly the same in that they both claim everything in the Universe just popped out of nowhere. The only difference is that Christianity gives God the credit, while the Big Bang claims it happened for no reason just so God wouldn`t getany credit.[/quote]
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Really? I thought Christians thought he rested on the 7th day because "he" was exhausted from making everything in the universe.. "and then there was light" suggests "he" did it in the dark just some 6,000 years ago.
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Male 10,855
The name `big bang` was actually a misnomer coined by its detractors in the past. It`s more like an inflation
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Male 188
The big bang and Christianity are exactly the same in that they both claim everything in the Universe just popped out of nowhere. The only difference is that Christianity gives God the credit, while the Big Bang claims it happened for no reason just so God wouldn`t getany credit.
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Male 4,290
[quote]I Believe God, others can believe big bang(Dirt) ether way there both faith and therefore a religion[/quote]

Believing =/= faith.
I believe I am typing on a laptop right now. I believe so because I can see it, feel it, hear it, taste it (if I want to), observe its effective operation in allowing me to post this, etc etc etc. I believe the laptop is there because I have plenty of evidence to back it up.

I do not have faith in my laptop. My laptop is not a religion.
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Male 2,440
[quote]No sarcasm. I Believe God, others can believe big bang(Dirt) ether way there both faith and therefore a religion[/quote]
Wow, Danielgj. When you fail, you fail hard.
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Male 10,855
@apk

All the wars you cited were just societies using their religion as an excuse for war. I.e. The Manifest Destiny justified our wars against the Native Americans.
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Male 183
i actually agree with what the_Predator said a while ago, even though hes wrong about it being the greatest cause of death. when you think about it, most wars fought over the course of history have essentially been over religion. even though in recent times, it seems less so, you can still see it when you think about the main thing that makes the two opposing sides of the US` war on terrorism different.

seriously though, in ancient times civilizations like greece, egypt, the mesopotamians just to name a few well known ones were fighting wars in the names of their respective dietys (sorry for my bad spelling). And then even going back as little as 200 years you have americans driving native americans into reserves or trying to put them into schools that would make them christian. religion really is a huge source of conflict in the world.

thanks for paying attention to my rant and sorry for the long post
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Female 723
In my defense, not ALL Christians.
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Female 956
woooooow.
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Male 7,378
I love the caption Matwix. No apology necessary. In fact it`s fair that the Christians take a bit of ribbing. Let them consider it a sanity tax.
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Male 10,855
Fair enough.
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Male 39,904
Conservative Cajun247. We don`t believe in handouts to illegal aliens. One of the parents should be home with the babies {either one, don`t matter}, Fiscally Conservative in government, I`m not in favor a abortion. I DO believe in the importance of marriage {and I include same-sex marriage}.

All that`s conservative. But I`m not a dim-wit who has to follow a party ticket without thought.

and I don`t believe in magic.... don`t let my avatar fool you. :D
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Male 10,855
Now that you mention it you don`t seem to be either one Gerry.
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Male 296
"ether way there both faith and therefore a religion" but one has proof behind it.
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Male 101
I agree with this theory
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Male 569
danielgj is right. while he`s a christian, i`m a devoted big banger. if we all believe in It, It will reward us.
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Male 285
wow, so all those ancient ruins that are under cities must have done the same thing.
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Male 5
No sarcasm. I Believe God, others can believe big bang(Dirt) ether way there both faith and therefore a religion
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@Gerry1of1
I was referring to this and previous threads actually.
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Male 2,440
[quote]The flood is what burried them.[/quote]
Gee I hope that`s sarcasm.

Please, Raptor Jesus. Let that be sarcasm!
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Male 5
The flood is what burried them.
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Male 12,365
Great find, pui.

Hooray! One of them contains the answer to that puzzling question bothering so many people on the net today.

Magnets...how do they work?
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Male 15,510
[quote] I have a feeling that Angelmassb wasn`t being serious when he posted that... [/quote]

And we have a winner!
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Male 39,904
@Cajun247

don`t confuse "concervative" with "superstitious".
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Male 40,739
vv @pui HAHAHA! For when the facts are too confusing!
Gotta love it :)
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Male 10,855
@pui

Now THAT`s funny!
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Male 10,855
I sympathize eclsage.

I`ve actually heard once that the evangelical movement was hijacked.
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Male 4,680
"As long as there are two people on earth someone will want somebody dead."
After that I read your entire post in an Australian accent.
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Male 10,855
@Mordecai
I (and only I) was just throwing the idea around.
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Male 94
Sorry for posting post flames- don`t mean to stoke the fire.
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Male 92
I was raised a Presbyterian and went to church throughout my childhood. The fond things I remember was the sense of community it provided.

Religion should be about creating and shaping a sense of community and then guiding the development of that community`s morals/ethics/spirituality or `soul`. Why can`t the Bible or other religious books be taken for what they are, FABLES and PARABLES. They are good places to start teaching what it means to be human and to know right from wrong but they are not perfect or complete. To take them as fact and dogma that is irrefutable is not only silly but dangerous.

Religion "bashing" isn`t about hating people for no reason. It`s about people who can distinguish reality from fiction being exasperated that so much energy in the national conversation that determines the course of our country is EFFING WASTED debating and refuting stuff that is without a doubt make believe.

Thank You
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Male 94
As long as there are two people on earth someone will want somebody dead. Religion or not people will lie to themselves, create some moral structure or another, and destroy one another. Now religion can be seen as a tool to mitigate damage people do and create stability. It has for centuries before Christianity. Also anyone who takes any tome or idea to the word will be idiotic and possibly dangerous ie fundamentalists, who note are different from many practitioners. Alsos on the crusades- did people forget about the call of the Byzantine Empire`s, which once held the entire Anatolian peninsula, call to arms earlier? They were being invaded and while the crusades failed its purposely miserably as people used religion as a different source of power apart from nobility. On communism- there will be no "true" communist government. It is an idealistic government which when people attempt generally leads to much killing. On religion and science- our educational failures are more pr
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Female 3,574
... if it wasn`t for the caption this would have nothing to do with christianity.

Also, I think it`s `shopped.
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Male 10,855
@mjfoxman

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Male 1,193
cause you touch yourself at night
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Male 336
ha is there any posts on this site that don`t somehow end up bashing religion. its a joke people lighten up people.
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Female 1,199
"Oh cool. More blind religion-bashing. It makes more sense when you see a religious person doing something stupid (of course, disregarding the other thousand who are doing good within their community), but to see something that`s meant to be humorous or stupid and automatically say that Christians will associate with it, seriously?"

^This.

I`ve grown tired of these ridiculous links meant to stir up "debate." I`m going to be taking a break from iab because, quite frankly, I am not entertained lol.

See you all later. ^^
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Male 10,855
@Angillion

I wouldn`t say the idea of Creationism is genuine.
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Male 2,551
Sorry if anyone was very offended by my caption - I couldn`t think of anything else at the time, it was (as I hoped people would understand) a joke, but obviously not everyone did. Maybe I should just stop assuming everyone is as smart as I originally take them for?
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Male 12,365
[quote]More blind religion-bashing.[/quote]

No, it isn`t. Firstly, it`s aimed only at Christianity, not religion in general. Secondly, it`s aimed at a genuine Christian belief - the denial of evolution. IAB`s subtitle was inaccurate in that respect - there are plenty of Christians who accept that evolution happens - but it`s far from blind bashing.
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Male 7,378
Why does "conservative" have to mean a belief in a God? Couldn`t conservative mean controlled spending and perhaps military? I know conservatives who would never vote for a republican who didn`t believe in evolution.
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Male 1,378
Religion IS YOUR GAY FEGET
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Male 12,365
[quote]it actually quite the opposite. We own much thanks to the monks of the middle ages who kept great libraries and read, wrote and translated ancient texts. Most of the historical significant writings exist because of the church.[/quote]

More than that, at least in England. Many of the old records we have were written by clerics. I`m talking about the miles of records of things such as tax records, census results, court rulings in legal cases...all the standard records of administration. Stuff that`s of huge historical value today precisely because it was normal day to day stuff then. Almost entirely written by clerics, very often preserved by the church in various religious buildings (i.e. why it`s still here today).

For centuries around here, the Christian church effectively was the preserver of literacy.
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Male 10,855
There would actually be one "defense" for the crusades. The vikings were causing problems for Europe for a long time. Along came the Knights which drove out the Vikings. Then with no enemies to fight these knights then decide to oppress and abuse the people they protected before. To get rid of them the Church (Roman Catholic) told these knights about the "riches" in far eastern Palestine (now Israel of course) and happily sent them on their way. Just a thought I heard of.
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Male 12,365
[quote]Religion is by far the biggest cause of death in the history of the world.[/quote]

Wrong. I`d place it third, personally, behind disease and lust for power (although religion works extremely well with lust for power and the two often go together).

The biggest cause of suffering, perhaps. The biggest cause of oppression, perhaps.

It`s sort of like diseases I referred to. Tyrants like Hitler and Stalin are akin to plagues like the Black Death - short-lived but extremely deadly. Religion is akin to malaria - less extreme causes of suffering and horror but enduring year after year after year.
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Male 10,855
A lot of people here seem to want to bash religion.
In reality there are a LOT of good ideas out there which have just been warped and bastardized for the wrong intentions. These republics (the state and federal govts) I live in are examples of that.
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Male 12,365
Also, there`s the matter of death *rate*.

For example, several plague outbreaks in England killed more than 10% of the entire population. The Death of 1348-50 killed almost half of the entire population. No typo - half. Entire towns disappeared from the maps during that time. England has an extremely bloody religious history, but nothing even vaguely approaching that scale of death.

On the other hand, the plagues passed quickly. Religion caused terror, suffering, oppression and death for centuries.
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Male 10,855
@Gerry1of1

For someone who identifies himself as conservative, you certainly don`t sound like it.
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Male 12,365
[quote]Most killed in the last century (151 million).
Of the last century, 110 Million were by communist regimes.[/quote]

Can you back that up? It seems rather implausible, unless you`re blaming the Soviet Union for most of WW2. Which would be odd.

There`s also another argument about what a communist regime actually is. It could, for example, be argued that no such thing has ever existed.

[quote]That`s not counting diseases like the black death which has a toll of around 100 million on it`s own, making disease probably a far greater killer.[/quote]

Way bigger. Malaria is the disease which has killed the most people, because it killed steadily every year. It may have killed more people than all wars added together.
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Male 39,904
mystical beliefs in gods is for the weak or weak minded. Those who think they can`t find strength within themselves to face the world. And those who are menally too lazy to think about the world and find it easier to believe in magic.

No offense to anyone.... just say`n
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Male 762
@ Pui and Ando.

Ando, it actually quite the opposite. We own much thanks to the monks of the middle ages who kept great libraries and read, wrote and translated ancient texts. Most of the historical significant writings exist because of the church. Science has progressed to the point where it gives explanations with solid evidence to many things that used to be attributed to God. Sadly Christianity is backlashing towards this progress and would love to see the world hold the same medieval worldview once again.
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Male 247
Made me giggle a bit.
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Male 462
Religion is definitely outdated, overrated, and needs a swift kick to the arse so we can all live prosperously in our new age of technology, science, and.. well.. realism.
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Male 24
What Bioshocker said.
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Male 3,058
@ Baalthazaq: Well said brother.
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Male 593
Religion is simply outdated. I can accept all the good INTENTIONS of religion, though. We can bicker endlessly over who created the world but I believe that science can answer most of our questions with corresponding evidence. The story of how the world was created is fictituous and was (I believe) used to keep people in check whilst simultaneously implementing good morals into society. Religion was also more useful in times gone by because power over the people was a more pressing issue. Nowadays, people aren`t running riot in the streets and so religion isn`t required as much. It`s power over our decisions now is ridiculous and the religious wish to keep this power. They blind themselves with the particular `story` of their belief and invent laughable answers to questions towards their religion. Such as the above. With no outstanding evidence in their favour I continue to believe that a god must be fictituous and despite the good intentions of the religious, I believe religion is old
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Male 4,680
I have a feeling that Angelmassb wasn`t being serious when he posted that...
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Male 4,546
Statistically...

Total number of people killed, ever, by others:
284 million. (Robert J Pummel, University of Hawaii).
Most killed in the last century (151 million).
Of the last century, 110 Million were by communist regimes.

That`s not counting diseases like the black death which has a toll of around 100 million on it`s own, making disease probably a far greater killer.

Furthermo... no, drat it, I`m not going to pretend someone who hasn`t figured out how counting works to get this far into it.

Though you did spell statistically correctly. Perhaps a little more attention to what it means.
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Female 3,574
@Ando Uh, Dante Alighieri (The poet who wrote "The Divine Comedy) who lived over 650 years ago was an avid reader of all kinds of things besides the Bible, and he was VERY catholic! That is just one example. Methinks the notion that christians were ever against *all* books except the bible is a myth.

This is not to say christians have never banned certain books, of course... and also I can`t speak for all denominations.
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Male 259
Dear The_Predator; I believe the single largest cause of death in the history of the world is the stopping of life functions.
Regards,
-The Neighborhood Jesus Freak
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Male 373
"Arent Christians against all books except of the Bible?"

As of the last 100 years, no.
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Male 2,868
I don`t get it. This is what I learned in paleontology.
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Female 3,574
@Angelmassb What? No.
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Male 4,680
"Religion is by far the biggest cause of death in the history of the world."

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Male 37
hwkiller - Religion is by far the biggest cause of death in the history of the world. Much more people abused religion for their personal goals. Making fun of it is not only right, but greatly recommended as it might bring us to a happier, safer world without all the bullpoo.

Whether or not god exists or not isn`t the question, it`s the fact that religion is statistically a horrible thing and if it didn`t exist a lot of people wouldn`t have to suffer death / discrimination / miscellaneous.
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Male 15,510
Arent Christians against all books except of the Bible?
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Male 490
Oh cool. More blind religion-bashing. It makes more sense when you see a religious person doing something stupid (of course, disregarding the other thousand who are doing good within their community), but to see something that`s meant to be humorous or stupid and automatically say that Christians will associate with it, seriously?
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Male 2,592
It makes soo much sense now
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Female 839
maybe i`m being a bit dense here, but why does this make sense to christians? if you`re referring to creationists - why would they think dinosaurs got trapped underground? doesn`t make any sense to my little head...
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Male 9,305
"How is this supposed to make sense to Christians? "

When SOME (<-- See this word? It doesn`t mean "all") people are told to believe something without question, and they do so, even the most silly, outrageous, and outlandish ideas like dinosaurs digging holes with instruments that weren`t invented until humanity was out of its infancy, can seem possible.
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Female 23
I`m guessing using shovels was one of the few things that T-Rexs could do with their tiny arms...
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Male 187
there are a slew of these out there somewhere, wish I could find all of em...most of them were hilarious.
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Male 2,548
Mmm, I`m not even Christian but this seems a bit petty.
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Male 75
every1 knows dinosaurs never existed cuz god created the earth n stuff like 5,000 years ago, jeez
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Male 6,737
I learnt something new today!
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Male 1,931
If only Moses did that when he roamed the desert for 40 years.
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Male 185
Points for inventing the shovel.
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Male 721
How is this supposed to make sense to Christians?
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Male 107
AFTER CENTURIES, you once again provide my slow-bandwith soul with a [pic], I-am-bored.
May you be highly praised, mighty internet gods.
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Female 142
haha
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Male 509
except that no animal would be stupid enough to dig a hole they couldn`t get out of... except humans.
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Male 368
Wow, we did not even have to wait for the Christian bashing to start on this one. Good move Matwix
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Male 53
lol
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Male 552
-.-
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Male 877
...i can dig that
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Male 2,551
Link: How Did Dinosaurs Die? [Pic] [Rate Link] - The revelation that makes sense to Christians. This looks like it could be a real pamphlet.
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