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43 Responses to Growing Number of Prosecutions for Recordings Cops

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    goaliejerry Male 30-39
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    July 25, 2010 at 5:56 pm
    Link: Growing Number of Prosecutions for Recordings Cops - Don`t tape me, bro! Visions of a Police-State.
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    Fizban Male 18-29
    125 posts
    July 26, 2010 at 10:19 am
    `"They`re just regular citizens with a cell-phone camera who happen to come upon a situation," Miller said. "If cops are doing their jobs, they shouldn`t worry."` Exactly right.
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    PinkAndGreen Female 13-17
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    July 26, 2010 at 10:23 am
    .... Tackling because of a camera?

    Jeez, next they`ll force you to have a camera permit.
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    Cajun247 Male 18-29
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    July 26, 2010 at 10:32 am
    Note to the Officer and prosecutor:
    YOU WORK FOR US AND WE HAVE EVERY RIGHT TO MONITOR YOU ON DUTY!!!
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    aseirinn Male 70 & Over
    877 posts
    July 26, 2010 at 10:35 am
    ...the police are the victims too, they belive the lies told to them by theyre `superiors` regarding the civil rights of citizens...they have a poor grasp of the law and are shocked when filimed...public servants are just that `public` and should have nothing to fear from the public....
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    SPARTAKITTY Female 18-29
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    July 26, 2010 at 10:36 am
    @Fizban
    Agreed.
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    MrsPoods Female 18-29
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    July 26, 2010 at 10:49 am
    F**k the po-lice.
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    Joolin Male 18-29
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    July 26, 2010 at 11:04 am
    The only way videotaping could possibly harm the cops is if the cops aren`t doing their jobs correctly. The state should not be protecting crooked cops and the only outcome that can come from such a thing is more cops being more crooked.
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    Thorgrimmer Male 18-29
    180 posts
    July 26, 2010 at 11:10 am
    It is no different than having surveillance cameras in a casino which watch both the patrons and the employees. As a public servant they should expect their every move is being monitored when in public. The difference between the courts using eyewitness accounts of what an officer allegedly did and relying on video evidence is that the video rarely lies.
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    Oystah Female 40-49
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    July 26, 2010 at 11:10 am
    Everybody`s fair game for getting taped anywhere and anytime nowadays. You`re probably being taped right now....
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    meepmaker Male 30-39
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    July 26, 2010 at 11:24 am
    Bigbrother knows and sees all.
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    edana42 Female 50-59
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    July 26, 2010 at 11:35 am
    Hey Mr. POliceman:

    It`s hard to defend you when you act like this. Clean it up.
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    WeePee Male 18-29
    612 posts
    July 26, 2010 at 11:42 am
    wow, way too many plurals in this title.
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    SunnyNphilly Male 18-29
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    July 26, 2010 at 12:09 pm
    The police are here to protect and server the public. They work in the public eye. Their actions are recorded and logged. Its public record. Record them.
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    ToxicPunk Male 13-17
    320 posts
    July 26, 2010 at 12:39 pm
    He`s speeding aaaaaahhh!! D: get the bloody gun, I don`t know how to resolve situations without force!
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    Baalthazaq Male 18-29
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    July 26, 2010 at 1:00 pm
    "He`s speeding aaaaaahhh!! D: get the bloody gun, I don`t know how to resolve situations without force!"

    Look up the % of police killed on routine traffic stops.

    I think you`ll find it`s more like "I`ve been caught speeding AAAAAAAAAAAAAH, I don`t know how to resolve this $50 fine without murder".
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    Nerd_Rage Male 18-29
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    July 26, 2010 at 1:27 pm
    he pulled the gun because the video probably only shows the end of the chase. read the article he was driving recklessly and began to back his bike up as the cop was getting out of the car, that`s why he pulled his gun ( a concern of safety) as far as "violating a wiretap law" im pretty sure that just because a device can record something does not define it as a wiretap, taps are placed w/o the knowledge or consent of someone and they record information. but this guy had a helmet cam, something you can clearly recognize.
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    Baalthazaq Male 18-29
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    July 26, 2010 at 1:28 pm
    Seriously, 15% of all police deaths are for traffic stops.

    It is the single highest death rate. Not drug busts, shootouts, bank robberies, murder investigations. Traffic stops.

    The reason police don`t want you filming this, is because you, as a citizen, are completely ignorant of the risks, and therefore the methods that should be employed.

    Should the officer have a gun drawn? Absolutely. Years of evidence prove this.
    How many people on youtube will think so? Few.
    How many people will write to their representatives? Possibly enough.

    Will this be good for anyone involved? Absolutely, 100%, no.

    Article.
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    Billy62 Male 18-29
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    July 26, 2010 at 2:09 pm
    "Should the officer have a gun drawn? Absolutely. Years of evidence prove this."

    According to the article you linked to, the guy still handled it wrong:

    "...officers should sit in their cruisers for cover with one leg out the door, guns drawn."

    No where does it say to go charging right at the suspect with a drawn gun. Wouldn`t that just make the more dangerous suspects panic, anyway? And this is for "high-risk" traffic stops; I think more reasonable officers would have considered a guy speeding and doing tricks on a motorcycle to be an "unknown" traffic stop.
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    Angilion Male 40-49
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    July 26, 2010 at 2:18 pm
    He`s speeding aaaaaahhh!! D: get the bloody gun, I don`t know how to resolve situations without force!

    The issue is that you don`t know if the person you`re stopping knows how to resolve situations without force or what the situation actually is.

    There are no end of cases in which a person with something far more seriously illegal going on is pulled over on a traffic offence. You`d think that someone wanted for murder somewhere else or someone carrying a kilo of coke, or whatever, would be very careful indeed to obey traffic laws, but that`s not always the case. Violent criminals often have trouble controlling their impulses.
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    Angilion Male 40-49
    12387 posts
    July 26, 2010 at 2:23 pm
    OK...I don`t consent to being filmed walking around town. So I can prosecute the local council for wiretapping, right? They`re got cameras all over the place.

    Why is that different?

    I know this article is about the USA, but we have the same issue here in the UK.
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    jimistik82 Male 30-39
    75 posts
    July 26, 2010 at 3:06 pm
    90 pct. of cops in u.s get cop jobs via veteran preferance program started during vietnam war. sign your name on civil service test and regardless of ur score you get the job..problem in u.s is ptsd troops from afghan and iraq get home + go thru 6 month cop academy then hit the streets..problem is they forget it`s an american door they are kikin in..big problem here these days
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    Kalimata Male 30-39
    661 posts
    July 26, 2010 at 3:08 pm
    This kind of stuff scares the crap out of me, it really does. People being arrested for video taping the police.

    I`ll be the first to admit, the video camera shows only one perspective, and it can lie. I`ll also admit that proper procedures and "take-downs" can look like very violent or too violent when they are designed to be the absolute safest not only for police, but for the suspect. Lay persons will not understand the methods.

    What is scary is that American citizens are not completely up in arms over this insane suppression of your rights.. Not just this law in particular, but the fact that it is just one more in a frightening string of laws and events that are being allowed to occur.

    IMHO, the DUTY of every citizen is to actively question the actions and morals of their government, and to make sure that the rights and freedoms that men and women have died to defend are upheld. Am I wrong when I say that this doesn`t seem to be happening
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    IamBored29 Male 18-29
    648 posts
    July 26, 2010 at 3:30 pm
    No problem with the cop drawing his weapon, as the bike was rolling backwards, he didnt know the guy wasnt going to take off again.

    My problem is with RAIDING his parents home to confiscate the computer, camera etc...This used to America, Now its the United States of The Patriot Act. Welcome to the Police State. Resistance is Futile
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    jib Male 18-29
    314 posts
    July 26, 2010 at 3:53 pm
    It`s not really the fact that the cop pulled out his gun, it`s that the guy is getting into additional trouble just beacause he filmed the cop
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    npdarren Male 18-29
    602 posts
    July 26, 2010 at 3:54 pm
    So what about suing for cop misconduct? If video evidence is not allowed all you have is eye witness testimony. Are they going to make witnessing cop activities illegal too?
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    ZNaught Male 13-17
    351 posts
    July 26, 2010 at 3:59 pm
    You all support socialist programs, but you are so against a police state? I am confused. You want the government to provide everything for you, but you want freedom? SOrry, they don`t exactly go together.
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    ElMustache Male 18-29
    1625 posts
    July 26, 2010 at 4:27 pm
    HST was so right. We`re the doomed.
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    catbarf Male 18-29
    1455 posts
    July 26, 2010 at 4:54 pm
    `SOrry, they don`t exactly go together.`

    Please, draw a connection between economic models and personal privacy. I`d love to see you drag the retardation further.
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    ZNaught Male 13-17
    351 posts
    July 26, 2010 at 5:56 pm
    @catbarf: When it is the job of the government to provide everything for you, you provide the government far too much power. If you want a large government that provides for you, expect that it will also invade into your lives. That is what big government does. Give me an example of a large government that has NOT had draconian laws/strict control over its people.
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    ElMustache Male 18-29
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    July 26, 2010 at 6:41 pm
    Znaught: Costa rica, switzerland, finland. Shall I continue? I`m sending you a protective helmet, it sounds like you need it.
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    ParasyT Male 13-17
    533 posts
    July 26, 2010 at 6:50 pm
    What the drat, did Skwissgaar Skwigelf write the title for this link?
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    bombaytech Male 18-29
    151 posts
    July 26, 2010 at 7:31 pm
    So stop drating with them.
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    Fatninja01 Male 30-39
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    July 26, 2010 at 8:52 pm
    that was silly!
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    green_batman Female 18-29
    728 posts
    July 26, 2010 at 9:36 pm
    The problem I have with this is the double standard. I`m a Maryland resident and I can tell you that there are still security cameras here. There may be a sign posted somewhere where you may or may not be able to see it before you come within range of the camera, but the fact that there are surveillance cameras means that they are technically breaking this law. Yet when the average citizen breaks this law, particularly pertaining to the police, it`s suddenly a serious offense. I think that people should expect to be taped whenever they are in public because a public place is implicitly a place where others can see you. So I don`t agree with the law in the first place, but if they`re going to pass the law, they need to enforce it across the board.
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    Angilion Male 40-49
    12387 posts
    July 26, 2010 at 9:46 pm
    Give me an example of a large government that has NOT had draconian laws/strict control over its people.

    It`s possible to argue the Republic of Rome as an example of that, but it`s a bit of a stretch because to a large extent the government was the people. They bent over backwards to make it that way, absolutely obsessing over the idea of stopping anyone getting too much power and opening power to the citizens in general. Random example - a person elected to the position of tribinus plebis had to leave his home open (literally open - he was forbidden to close the door) so that any citizen at any time could raise a political issue with him.
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    jib Male 18-29
    314 posts
    July 26, 2010 at 11:17 pm
    Znaught has a point, the more responsibility you give to the government the more power you give them. You can slowly let them take care of things like healthcare, but THEY control the better part of it, what you can and cannot have and stuff
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    66stang Male 18-29
    225 posts
    July 27, 2010 at 1:50 am
    One thing I`ve always done when getting pulled over is try to find an ATM or gas station. These almost always have cameras, and since you are not in control of them the police can not say anything. Also you are not required to pull over until you feel safe. I drove over a mile with my flashers on til I came up to an Atm, the officer was pissed til I explained myself and he realized I knew enough about the law to not mess with me.
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    GosuPaul Male 18-29
    516 posts
    July 27, 2010 at 3:17 am
    I agree, this is definitely an issue. Especially since lots of times in court, it`s word against word when it comes to less prominent police activity like a traffic stop or upholding of a smaller crime. When it`s a police officer`s word vs a teenager`s (skate videos), a speeding motorcyclist, or even, dare I say, a minority, the police officer`s usually going to be believed.

    "Quis custodiet ipsos custodes?"

    Or, more commonly known.

    "Who will watch the watchmen?"

    If we can`t videotape, record, or surveil our policemen, what will keep them in check?

    Plato believed their values and morals would. Plato, clearly, wasn`t from around here.

    In a place where protection and duty is worth only as much as a paycheck, we really can`t count on that.

    Power to the people baby. =)
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    dang007 Male 30-39
    596 posts
    July 27, 2010 at 7:53 am
    >>>Lay persons will not understand the methods. <<<


    BS
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    dang007 Male 30-39
    596 posts
    July 27, 2010 at 7:58 am
    >>>The issue is that you don`t know if the person you`re stopping knows how to resolve situations without force or what the situation actually is. <<<

    So what. By your argument cops should walk around with an M-16 loaded and ready. I mean you never know when you might run into someone that you need to put down before they touch you.

    Police signed up for the job. A dangerous, scary, never know what the h//l will happen or if I die today job. I have great respect for them but they knew the risks when they joined. They do not get to use the risks as excuses for bad behavior later.
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    manorrd Male 30-39
    2372 posts
    July 27, 2010 at 3:08 pm
    So, are there growing prosecutions when people video tape a cop, say, helping a little old lady cross the street? Of course not. But catch them pulling a Rodney King and posting it on Youtube...
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    xiquiripat Male 18-29
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    August 9, 2010 at 6:46 pm
    Silly citizens. Only the government is allowed to wiretap.

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