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249 Responses to Go Back To Europe Whitey! Says Latino KKK Lady!

  1. Profile photo of 5Cats
    5Cats Male 50-59
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    July 26, 2010 at 4:12 am
    Link: Go Back To Europe Whitey! Says Latino KKK Lady! - The fail is so huge! It gets going 2 minute in and just keeps FAILing!
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    Angelmassb Male 18-29
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    July 26, 2010 at 2:10 pm
    Euroasians go back to Euroasia!
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    piperfawn Male 30-39
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    July 26, 2010 at 2:20 pm
    LoL pls americans don`t follow this indication!! Here in Europe we are allready uber full..XD.
    This woman is crazy but at least at the end all was speachless,hmm i think she reach her objective.
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    CrakrJak Male 40-49
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    July 26, 2010 at 2:22 pm
    I`m part Indian, Think I can stay ?
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    basketkase Male 18-29
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    July 26, 2010 at 2:22 pm
    ummm she`s right of course a Canadian wouldn`t know that California and neighboring states were once Mexican territory and we took it from them in the Mexican American wars. This is a fail post.
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    jimistik82 Male 30-39
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    July 26, 2010 at 2:22 pm
    lol total balz.. i`m white n she`s got a point lmao
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    blckhawk1234 Male 18-29
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    July 26, 2010 at 2:27 pm
    ROFL america was founded by the Europeans lol. First of all, now they support their european roots, and also, it wasnt, it was brown first. Brown power!
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    jimistik82 Male 30-39
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    July 26, 2010 at 2:28 pm
    fu u crakr u sold manhattan for 26 dollars and ripped of the white man...go home..oh u r home..hmmm
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    jimistik82 Male 30-39
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    July 26, 2010 at 2:32 pm
    yea bhawk..that`s like me showin up at ur house kikin ur azz, bangin ur wife and sayin this is my ole lady and my house duh
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    tws8631 Male 50-59
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    July 26, 2010 at 2:34 pm
    Oh, the plight of the downtrodden! LMFAO
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    Emirox Female 13-17
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    July 26, 2010 at 2:34 pm
    you people have been doing all videos lateley
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    FrigginMo Male 18-29
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    July 26, 2010 at 2:34 pm
    Fail post. The woman`s message makes sense. Europeans came to America and stole everything from the natives, then denied anyone else land. Mexico had a great deal of land from our southern states until we fought/lucked our way into getting it. Those who stand up for Arizona`s new laws know nothing about how dearly our economy depends on our illegal, poorly treated immigrant farm workers. Yes there are issues, but we`re going about fixing them the wrong way.
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    Baalthazaq Male 18-29
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    July 26, 2010 at 2:34 pm
    Voice 1: "Go back to Europe Europeans!"
    Voice 2: "Go back to Mexico Mexicans!"

    Cat5: "LOL, look how voice 1 (and only voice 1 for some reason) fails!"
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    jg0nz Male 18-29
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    July 26, 2010 at 2:34 pm
    It`s great how they said racist things to her too.
    An Eye for an Eye makes the whole world blind.
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    Angilion Male 40-49
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    July 26, 2010 at 2:38 pm
    Everyone go back to Africa!

    Hmm...under these rules I think I`d be allowed to stay in Britain but most of the people I know would have to "go back" to several different places.

    How would that work? Would they have to somehow find out where all their ancestors came from and allocate time over each year on a pro rata basis? 4 months in England, 2 months in Wales, 2 months in Sweden, 2 months in Germany, 1 month in Denmark and 1 month in Italy, for example.

    Although we know that Britain, or at least Britain south of Hadrian`s wall, was a mash of peoples 2000 years ago (the earliest written records) so where did they come from?

    No, we`re all going to have to "go back" to Africa and cram into the eastern rift valley area. It`s the only fair way.
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    samidoll Female 18-29
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    July 26, 2010 at 2:42 pm
    i think it`s more fail against all the people voting for the arizona bill. yeah, she`s stupid, but they assume that she`s not even a part of america because she has an accent and her skin color is different. i hate how racist these idiots are.
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    TheSharpest Male 18-29
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    July 26, 2010 at 2:43 pm
    Racism from both sides, this is pathetic and I lost some more faith in humanity.
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    caper454 Female 70 & Over
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    July 26, 2010 at 2:46 pm
    Just another example of how f*cked up the US has become. Sad.
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    DiePSPolice Male 30-39
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    July 26, 2010 at 2:49 pm
    Wow, whoever captioned this post is actually the FAIL, not the woman in the video.
  20. Profile photo of Baalthazaq
    Baalthazaq Male 18-29
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    July 26, 2010 at 2:51 pm
    For me, even going back 2 generations, I`m from 4 countries.

    Grandma: Iranian, been in Iran for >8 generations.
    Grandpa: Arab, for... minimum since the 1400s.
    Other Grandma: English, Circa 1890s as a minimum.
    Other Grandpa: Italian, family roots go back to the 1200`s.

    So, as I am devoid of the mystical power to discern "where people go back to" which seems to come from inbreeding, where do I go back to?
  21. Profile photo of Tweek29
    Tweek29 Male 18-29
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    July 26, 2010 at 2:53 pm
    Why is it everytime non whites say something racist about whites, it isn`t racist, and when whites say anything that sounds racist but isn`t, it`s still racism? Someone needs to rip that loud speaker out of her hands and smack her upside the head with it.
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    piperfawn Male 30-39
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    July 26, 2010 at 2:59 pm
    Tweek29 is not question of skin, is question of racism, in this video you can see two groups of racist that have different colours. Racism is allways dumb no matter what kind of skin you have.
  23. Profile photo of Baalthazaq
    Baalthazaq Male 18-29
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    July 26, 2010 at 2:59 pm
    Tweek29:
    "Why is it everytime non whites say something racist about whites, it isn`t racist, and when whites say anything that sounds racist but isn`t, it`s still racism?"

    Lets say you have 2 people.

    1) One is OJ Simpson. One is a man whose wife is still quite alive.

    2) Lets say they both write a comedic piece on how they would kill their wives. (I can give you some examples if you like, Billy Connoly for example).

    OJ`s actual book ("If I did it"), got horrific "this is wrong" reviews. People laughed at Billy`s story.


    Now, take a hundred years of slavery, lynching, terror, and murder, instead of just 1 death. That`s why. Stuff like that makes people a little touchy.
  24. Profile photo of jimistik82
    jimistik82 Male 30-39
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    July 26, 2010 at 3:00 pm
    old white people n rednecks vs. all of central and south america...looks like white peoples vietnam..or korea..or afghanistan..or.. well u get the point
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    xhaseox Male 18-29
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    July 26, 2010 at 3:01 pm
    lol so what would she have done if a native american told her to go back to mexico ?
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    dm2754 Male 40-49
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    July 26, 2010 at 3:04 pm
    Go Back To Europe Whitey! so true.
    what about "Give us your poor......to be free"?
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    dm2754 Male 40-49
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    July 26, 2010 at 3:06 pm
    to xhaseox.
    mexicans are native americans
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    Crucible Male 18-29
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    July 26, 2010 at 3:06 pm
    "The fail is so huge!"

    Is this caption referring to itself?
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    Tweek29 Male 18-29
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    July 26, 2010 at 3:09 pm
    AngryIranianGuy: Now, take a hundred years of slavery, lynching, terror, and murder, instead of just 1 death. That`s why. Stuff like that makes people a little touchy.

    That doesn`t change the fact that all people in Arizona are doing is trying to keep ILLEGAL people from entering their state, through a perfectly legal manner, and you`ve got a bunch of angry Mexicans running around with a bug up their ass wondering why they aren`t getting a free ride. This isn`t their country, MEXICO is their country, and if they don`t like it they should quit breeding.
  30. Profile photo of iSagacious
    iSagacious Female 13-17
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    July 26, 2010 at 3:10 pm
    How is she the KKK? I don`t see her hanging someone or setting fire to crucifixes..
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    jayme21 Male 18-29
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    July 26, 2010 at 3:10 pm
    @Baalthazaq just a few small differences, OJ wasn`t a comedian, Connoly wasn`t involved in a court case about killing his wife. Where as OJ was in which prosecutors dropped the ball thinking it would be a woman man issue opted for a female jury, where as the defendants knew it would be race so got a largely black woman jury. So was wrongly cleared of a criminal conviction and then lost a civil suit.
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    tvremote Male 18-29
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    July 26, 2010 at 3:12 pm
    Ya know, the US paid Mexico for the Southwest that it won in the Mexican-American war. So when Mexican`s complain that it`s "their" land and American`s "stole" it, the argument is a little silly. Also, Mexican`s aren`t Native Americans, many of them are interbred with Spanish colonists. I`m willing to bet that this lady falls under her own category of people who should go back to Europe.
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    moscoworbust Male 18-29
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    July 26, 2010 at 3:16 pm
    this must be a joke
  34. Profile photo of 5Cats
    5Cats Male 50-59
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    July 26, 2010 at 3:16 pm
    vv basketkase: Obviously the SPANISH settled California 3000 years ago eh? THEY`RE not Europeans too? It`s fail because she`s an invader herself, unless she`s Mayan, which I seriously doubt.

    And YES I know all about the history of that area (well, casually eh? Far from an expert, lolz!) ditto for Texas!
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    jimistik82 Male 30-39
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    July 26, 2010 at 3:17 pm
    it`s all over fellow crakrz..canada don`t want you and u r pizin off the latinos i would make nice cuz in 50 years white girlz will be pikin fruit n bendin over for juan valdez... it`s all in the math
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    IamBored29 Male 18-29
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    July 26, 2010 at 3:18 pm
    Whoever uploaded this video and wrote the caption is teh fail. Does IAB screen this stuff or just put anything and everything up?
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    jimistik82 Male 30-39
    75 posts
    July 26, 2010 at 3:22 pm
    remember the alamo !!!! oh we lost that 1 too ?? lbj pres.from texas started vietnam=fail,bush from texas started iraq=fail,robert e. lee confederate general in civil war lost=fail...wtf.. y do we even listen to redneks ? nothing good ever came outta that state
  38. Profile photo of piperfawn
    piperfawn Male 30-39
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    July 26, 2010 at 3:23 pm
    Hmm 5Cats 3000 years ago Spain did`nt exist as a country not even Roman Empire exist in that period,lol seem you fail to on comment. Btw this kind of sh*t is all over the world, seem that at a certain point of evolution chain something was broken.
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    SaltyVarnish Male 18-29
    678 posts
    July 26, 2010 at 3:24 pm
    When will people get we are all from one world. Nobody actually OWNS anything. A piece of paper, birthright, history of wars won. Just cause your mom popped you out of her vagina on whatever soil doesn`t mean you BELONG to that place. It only means you are alive and part of a delusion created by your forefathers and the powers that be. and you must protect your little bit of soil in your own little world. Well i say F^ck that, think of the bigger picture. Heritage has nothing to do with morality!
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    GullCull Male 18-29
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    July 26, 2010 at 3:25 pm
    land=land
    banner=country

    White people may not be indigenous to the lands on North America but they are to the countries(at least USA and Canada)

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    Bearkatt01 Male 13-17
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    July 26, 2010 at 3:30 pm
    The Guy Filming Was Kind Of A Prick...
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    simim23 Female 18-29
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    July 26, 2010 at 3:31 pm
    "lol so what would she have done if a native american told her to go back to mexico ?"

    I`m waiting to see something like that.
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    GeniusSolar Male 13-17
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    July 26, 2010 at 3:33 pm
    I think I`ll go fishing in that lady`s lake.
    Catch me some hypocrite.
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    razlem Male 13-17
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    July 26, 2010 at 3:34 pm
    Regulation will not solve the problem, this has been the case with drugs, guns, and hordes of other things. This law will not solve the problem; it will only exacerbate racial tension.
  45. Profile photo of 5Cats
    5Cats Male 50-59
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    July 26, 2010 at 3:34 pm
    vv piperfawn That`s my point! 3000 years ago the natives (or whomever) lived in North America, not the "Mexicans" like this woman.
    vv Baalthazaq: You`re completely wrong: ONE group is saying "keep ILLEGAL aliens out" regardless of race, religion, what-have-you. It`s based only on your citizenship status. Every counrty in the WHOLE WORLD does that!
    Group 2 (The Brown hats) is saying WHITE people get out of OUR land (all of America, not just California).
    Group 2 is clearly racist and group 1 is clearly NOT. Ok?
    Now everyone get back to Africa, where we ALL came from!
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    gorgack2000 Male 13-17
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    July 26, 2010 at 3:38 pm
    The caption actually made me angrier than the video. Everytime someone uses the word "fail" like that I lose a little more of my sanity.
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    ElMustache Male 18-29
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    July 26, 2010 at 3:46 pm
    California, Texas, Arizona, Colorado, New Mexico, Nevada and Utah were all part of Mexico. Pinche tontos. So when she says go back to europe, she has a point. But the whole immigration ordeal is to distract you from whats really going on.. That we are all being f*cked by corporations. When we are fighting with eachother nobody looks up to see whose pulling the strings.
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    piperfawn Male 30-39
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    July 26, 2010 at 3:49 pm
    ohh ok 5Cats the misunderstood stay in the fact you call Mexicans "Spanish"..understood what you mean.In any case ,just my opinion,i think that also the group against aliens is racist, we have same group in Italy and they are all racists.
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    Bigshorty Male 18-29
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    July 26, 2010 at 3:52 pm
    I wonder if she realizes that Mexicans are descendants of Spaniards invading Central America and breeding with the local Mayans and Aztecs and whatnot. I guess what she`s trying to say is that illegals belong here as much as Americans do but she`s going about it all wrong.
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    auburnjunky Male 30-39
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    July 26, 2010 at 3:54 pm
    For the creationists:

    Let`s all go back to Iraq, where the garden of Eden was.

    For the evolutionists:

    Let`s all go back to Germany, where the earliest humanoid skull was found. (I might be wrong about that.)
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    ZNaught Male 13-17
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    July 26, 2010 at 3:54 pm
    Go back to spain, bitch.
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    SunThunder Male 18-29
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    July 26, 2010 at 3:55 pm
    I enjoy the diveristy of the US, it one of the many things I love about the country. The issue of illegal imigration should not be an issue. It`s illegal. But seriously, these people are acting like two year-olds. one persons talking, everyone else is yelling, like children. But deffenatly it the brown berret lady is very racist.
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    ChrisMunich Male 18-29
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    July 26, 2010 at 3:57 pm
    Please don`t come back, unless you are a very gorgeous woman (or man, for those that prefer) or a very generous affluent person.
  54. Profile photo of piperfawn
    piperfawn Male 30-39
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    July 26, 2010 at 3:57 pm
    @auburnjunky hmm i`m pretty sure that the oldest humanoids bones are in Africa.
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    iceblack Male 18-29
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    July 26, 2010 at 3:58 pm
    Why does the camera guy sounds like a
    comedy movie narrator?
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    ghoststop Male 18-29
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    July 26, 2010 at 4:05 pm
    The caption fail is so huge! It gets going 2 word in and just keeps FAILing!
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    Fatninja01 Male 30-39
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    July 26, 2010 at 4:05 pm

    wow, thats ultimate fail due to stupidity
  58. Profile photo of 5Cats
    5Cats Male 50-59
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    July 26, 2010 at 4:05 pm
    @piperfawn - No worries! Glad that was cleared up :)
    @ZNaught - Amen Brother! Preach on!
    @auburnjunky - I thought it was "Lucy" from the rift valley... actually there`s an even older hominid now from there too...
  59. Profile photo of 5Cats
    5Cats Male 50-59
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    July 26, 2010 at 4:16 pm
    Lolz! Peoples don`t like my caption? Yes it`s mine, I can`t blame Fancylad (et al) for changing it.
    #1 it`s done in IAB style: ie not to be taken `at face value`. It`s supposed to perk your interest and get you to click on it (and vote 4 stars!)
    #2 it relates in a very esoteric fashion to TWO of my previous offerings:
    Brave Youth and
    Helen Thomas (racist old hag!)
    in which people think Jews should "return to where thay came from"... GERMANY! lolz!

    So I find it "fail" because a person of Spanish ancestry is telling "white people" to go "back to Europe" (where HER ancestors are from, see?)
    But I have had many lolz reading the comments, thanks everyone
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    josieflo Female 18-29
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    July 26, 2010 at 4:22 pm
    Mexicans are descendants of the Mesoamericans.
  61. Profile photo of 5Cats
    5Cats Male 50-59
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    July 26, 2010 at 4:30 pm
    @piperfawn Ooo! I was rude to you in previous postings. Sorry about that, I get so grumpy! lolz!
    I do apologize!
    (man, that`s like the 5th word I had to look up, can`t spel todey)
  62. Profile photo of jimistik82
    jimistik82 Male 30-39
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    July 26, 2010 at 4:32 pm
    there isn`t a white dude w/ balz that big in this entire country
  63. Profile photo of piperfawn
    piperfawn Male 30-39
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    July 26, 2010 at 4:36 pm
    lol i remember 5Cats but no problem. In a certain way the past discussion have same topic on the core,the strange idea to be owners of a territory cause of lineage.
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    Trumple07 Male 13-17
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    July 26, 2010 at 4:37 pm
    4:35
    An american woman says `Go wash somebodys dishes`
    Thats not racist either I guess
    :P
  65. Profile photo of belunan
    belunan Male 30-39
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    July 26, 2010 at 4:41 pm
    If people come here, they need to become citizens. Why is that a drating controversy?
  66. Profile photo of MetalLinx
    MetalLinx Female 13-17
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    July 26, 2010 at 4:43 pm
    Whites or Mexicans didnt own america in the first place actually. Native americans did. they didnt own the land either tho. they just lived off of it. like we do too. nobody owns anything. People are just territorial. they see something they like, and boom. wars start cuz they cant let go
  67. Profile photo of Slotherder
    Slotherder Male 30-39
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    July 26, 2010 at 4:52 pm
    I understand the point she is trying to make; however, she does fail ...emphatically ...and annoyingly so. The issue here (with SB1070) is not immigration, it`s illegal immigration. To that point, I think immigration reform needs to happen in a way that allows for more work visas for low and unskilled workers before we really try ratcheting up the pressure for better enforcement. For that reason, I think AZ`s (where I happen to live) law is a juvenile political ploy that I do not agree with, but I do not think it is wrong in general. It`s just premature and, as such, damaging instead of helpful. Ah, the joys of ridiculous politics on all fronts.
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    CoffeeDiiva Female 40-49
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    July 26, 2010 at 5:04 pm
    Very well said MetalLinx, my thoughts exactly, people don`t seem to understand that
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    Gerry1of1 Male 50-59
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    July 26, 2010 at 5:05 pm
    MetalLinx, "Mexican" is a nationality, not a race.

    Belunan, the controversy is some people come here illegally and don`t want to face the consequences of breaking the law. But if you say that publicly you`re called a racist.

    Well KKKolor me racist then.

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    MEZA Male 18-29
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    July 26, 2010 at 5:12 pm
    They`re all racist. I don`t even understand what Arizona did wrong in the first place. I thought states had the right to govern that stuff and that it wasn`t necessarily a federal matter..
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    Slotherder Male 30-39
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    July 26, 2010 at 5:14 pm
    @MetalLinx Yeah, but there you have a difference in culture, too. Many Native American cultures were highly nomadic (though typically seasonal), and even in many of the nomadic cultures, there were strictly enforced territorial designations. Native Americans feuded over territory quite a bit. I`m not saying you`re completely wrong, since a lot of NA cultures traditionally value a `steward` approach when it comes to land management, but even at that, there is a difference between practice and ideology, and the practice did/does not always hold up to the ideology.
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    Gerry1of1 Male 50-59
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    July 26, 2010 at 5:28 pm
    ElMustache... really? you believe that?

    The corporations like the low-cost illegal labor. Fighting for legal immigration helps your anti-corporate cause as well.
  73. Profile photo of 5Cats
    5Cats Male 50-59
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    July 26, 2010 at 5:30 pm
    vv @MEZA the Arizona `law` is actually the same as a Federal Law which isn`t currently being enforced. If the Feds overturn this State law, they`re actually overturning their own law... wait, I think my head just exploded...

    @piperfawn I`m glad we`ve overcome that! I tell `my children` (I`m a Daycare Worker, eh?)all the time to play nice. I should do that too eh?
    And yes, the question of Israel is very much the same as this. It all depends (Isreal that is) on who you think lived there when.
    I`m frequently saying that: "EVERY square inch of land has had blood spilled over it`s posession" and that arguing about the past isn`t doing much of aything. Who owns it now and why? THAT is the key. The Jewish peoples are there now becasue the UN says so. If you disagree then you must destroy the UN first, (please!), THEN try to resolve the issue, eh?
    Lolz! Like that will happen!
  74. Profile photo of 5Cats
    5Cats Male 50-59
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    July 26, 2010 at 5:34 pm
    vv @Gerry1of1 Good point! I try to tell people that `illegal` immigrants hurt everyone, but it`s too, idk, `high brow`? `far fetched`? `not what the MSM is saying`? for people to understand, eh?
    The short answer is: big business makes mucho $$ by exploiting illegals. If the illegals were sent home, they`d have to pay honest wages for honest work, heaven forbid! (the Unions are in on it too, they still collect fees from illegals, eh?)
  75. Profile photo of piperfawn
    piperfawn Male 30-39
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    July 26, 2010 at 5:45 pm
    Hmm UN is important can`t be destroyed, the fact in the past after a world war UN(at that period UN was basicaly USA and England) have done not so good decision don`t mean that the entire organization must be erased. UN today grant international rights to humanity also if i would like a UN more free from USA and maybe China veto.In my country for example we have a prime minister that is more like a dictator that want restrict freedom of speach and do laws for himself to escape the lot of troubles he have with justice. In this case UN come inside the situation sayng that don`t tollerate any form of restriction of speach, i think world need an organization that stand over all countries interest to grant human rights.
  76. Profile photo of piperfawn
    piperfawn Male 30-39
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    July 26, 2010 at 5:48 pm
    btw sorry for my bad english but i`ve never study it, i`ve learned by myself.
  77. Profile photo of MEZA
    MEZA Male 18-29
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    July 26, 2010 at 5:50 pm
    @5cats so this law is basically completely non racist and is a much needed regulation that should be enforced nationwide?
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    5Cats Male 50-59
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    July 26, 2010 at 5:56 pm
    @piperfawn your English is much better than my (any language) Lolz! I`m just terrible at learning any other language. I have no troubles understanding what you`re saying :)
    USA England and CANADA!!!! Were important in creating the UN. I just think it`s overcome with graft and corruption now.

    @MEZA Yup! There is NO mention of race in the law. If the cops pull you over, they can check if you`re actually AN AMERICAN! GHOD FORBID!!! ZOMG!!! & etc.

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    Mamaof5 Female 30-39
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    July 26, 2010 at 5:57 pm
    Technically she is right, our ancestors stole the land from them and the natives (Canada). I`m no racist myself but she does have a point about go back to Europe comments...technically and historically...
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    NoxasRisen Male 13-17
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    July 26, 2010 at 5:58 pm
    How do you stop the bitching and moaning of other people? Bitch and moan louder, through equally idiotic means.
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    Rhasputin Female 18-29
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    July 26, 2010 at 6:03 pm
    They`re calling that lady racist, while chanting `Go do somebody`s dishes` in the background?
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    Cajun247 Male 18-29
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    July 26, 2010 at 6:14 pm
    In this case fighting fire with fire doesn`t work.
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    SunThunder Male 18-29
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    July 26, 2010 at 6:20 pm
    ILLEGAL IMAGRATION


    Pretty much sums it up there.
    Bad speller, a common trend among the internets
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    piperfawn Male 30-39
    4907 posts
    July 26, 2010 at 6:22 pm
    In any case world population is a giant puppet in the hands of a restrict number of politicians that have lot of instruments to controls our way of think. Probably if the people in this video was not so politicized maybe you will be able to se them in front of a juicy cold drink talking and not screaming against eachother. Call me mad but i still belive in human brotherhood.
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    5Cats Male 50-59
    32796 posts
    July 26, 2010 at 6:23 pm
    [quote">The law requires everyone to have proof of citizenship on them at all times[/quote">
    Madest you`ve been OWNED on this issue before! IT IS THE LAW (in the USA) that ALL LEGAL immigrants carry ID. Why do you beat that dead horse so much?
    And why did so many of your posts "go missing" in This Thread?
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    bklynusa Male 30-39
    216 posts
    July 26, 2010 at 6:29 pm
    that`s cool..but she does seem a few dozen generations late.
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    Slotherder Male 30-39
    251 posts
    July 26, 2010 at 6:34 pm
    @Madest: It does not require everyone to carry proof of citizenship on them at all times. The police are only able to question an individual on their legal status of citizenship if there are grounds for "reasonable suspicion". That can be a dicey proposition in and of itself, so you can make some points there, but it is one which we trust our police to carry out on a daily basis on a large number of other laws. Also, the police are only allowed to do so if contact between the police and the individual in question is made via some other infraction. Again, some points can be made against that as well, but at least it means the cops can`t just go around asking for papers, as many on the far left would like you to think.
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    ElMustache Male 18-29
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    July 26, 2010 at 6:35 pm
    Gerry:It`s that I, in no way support arizona. This was a state that in 1991 failed to pass the recognition of Martin Luther King Jr Day as a holiday! If we want to mend immigration we need to do the following; Legalize marijuana to under cut the drug cartels, Set a clear path to citizenship that doesnt take 9 years. Retract NAFTA, Incentivize small and medium sized businesses. Start manufacturing in america again, Enforce the E-verify law required of employers. I`m not here to deny a hard working people their chance at a better way of life for their families. That`s what America used to stand for. We`ve been blinded my consumption and a lack of compassion. I get that every race has endured the xenophobia, but for f*cks sake it`s 2010! And people are drumming up the insane idea of a race war. Have we learned nothing of brotherhood? The common cause of working men and women banding together for the greater good? I weep for the future if we continue to be pit against eachother.
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    SaltyVarnish Male 18-29
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    July 26, 2010 at 6:38 pm
    I said it before and ii`ll say it again. "Heritage has nothing to do with morality" Morality is what an individual of any race should be judged on no matter what blood soaked soil they stand on!
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    piperfawn Male 30-39
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    July 26, 2010 at 6:41 pm
    Ok good night ,need to go bed, i wait tomorrow to read comments, here is 03:40 am....ouch!
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    ParasyT Male 13-17
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    July 26, 2010 at 6:42 pm
    Gotta love how she only speaks European languages..

  92. Profile photo of Slotherder
    Slotherder Male 30-39
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    July 26, 2010 at 7:09 pm
    @ElMustache: It`s funny that you mention the MLK fiasco. I moved here right as that was happening. I was a kid, so I don`t have an incredibly in-depth perspective on it, but, as I understand it, it boiled down to the legislature being forced to choose between official observance of Columbus day or MLK day. For whatever reason, they chose to keep Columbus day (it has since changed), the recognition of a man whos "discovery" shaped a large part of S. and Central American culture as it stands today. All the people who refer to themselves as Latinos do so because of Columbus, so drumming up that situation has some irony to it in light of our (Arizona`s) current fiasco, doesn`t it? BTW, the elementary school I attended, and many others, still celebrated MLK day while we were at school, it just wasn`t an officially legislated thing for whatever reason.
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    wake_n_bake Male 18-29
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    July 26, 2010 at 7:19 pm
    All kinds of hate and idiots on both sides of this video.
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    Fuego Male 40-49
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    July 26, 2010 at 7:21 pm
    @jimistik82 re: nothing good ever came outta that state.

    She`s from Texas.
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    Fuego Male 40-49
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    July 26, 2010 at 7:32 pm
    seriously though, if you`re talking about military leaders, Admiral Nimitz and General Eisenhower were both from Texas.
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    splurbyburbl Male 30-39
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    July 26, 2010 at 7:37 pm
    I just don`t understand what`s bad about this law. I know it`s been said a million times, but illegal is illegal, so where is the problem? The only reason people are getting bent about this is because we let it go on for so damn long. If you give a bunch of people a free place to live, work and breed that they really like, then take it away because it was never theirs to begin with, this will always be the backlash. But`s it`s just not illegal to take it away if it was never theirs. Well, it`s not theirs at all. It is all about as much their rights as it is for me to go to Mexico and think to be treated equal... which I wouldn`t because I don`t speak the language and I don`t know the culture and I was never a citizen! There is no valid argument against this, not even one little thing...
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    deeplick Male 18-29
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    July 26, 2010 at 7:41 pm
    Problem is we kicked their ass and booted them out of the country. It is ours now. Its not like they let us have it, we fought a war for it, won, and took it from them.
  98. Profile photo of ElMustache
    ElMustache Male 18-29
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    July 26, 2010 at 7:47 pm
    Slotherder: Columbus landed in the bahamas! Scandinavian Vikings already had settlements here in the eleventh century, and British fisherman probably fished the shores of Canada for decades before Columbus. The first European explorer to thoroughly document his visit to North America was the Italian explorer Giovanni Caboto, who sailed for England`s King Henry VII and became known by his anglicized name, John Cabot. Caboto arrived in 1497 and claimed North America for the English sovereign while Columbus was still searching for India in the Caribbean. After three voyages to America and more than a decade of study, Columbus still believed that Cuba was a part of the continent of Asia, South America was only an island, and the coast of Central America was close to the Ganges River. And he was italian.
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    ElMustache Male 18-29
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    July 26, 2010 at 7:50 pm
    Splurbyburbl: American dollars speak loudly outside the US.
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    ElMustache Male 18-29
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    July 26, 2010 at 8:01 pm
    Deeplick: It was called "Manifest Destiny" The belief that the U.S. basically had a God-given right to occupy and "civilize" the whole continent. The fact that most of those areas already had people living upon them was usually ignored, with the attitude that democratic English-speaking America, with its high ideals and Protestant Christian ethics, would do a better job of running things than the Native Americans or Spanish-speaking Catholic Mexicans. Manifest Destiny did not necessarily call for violent expansion. In both 1835 and 1845, the United States offered to purchase California from Mexico, for $5 million and $25 million, respectively. The Mexican government refused the opportunity to sell half of its country. Throw in that mexico was free of slavery and the US had interests in expanding the slave trade which basically started the battle at the alamo which was the match to the powder keg. Mexico city was captured and they were forced to sign over the territo
  101. Profile photo of OldOllie
    OldOllie Male 60-69
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    July 26, 2010 at 8:08 pm
    "Go back to Europe and leave America to the Spaniards!
  102. Profile photo of ElMustache
    ElMustache Male 18-29
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    July 26, 2010 at 8:10 pm
    continued... territories. Once that happened, do you really think everyone just packed up and went to mexico? No. So nobody got "booted" out. We`ve been here, and this is one mexican who isnt going anywhere. Viva La Reconquista!
  103. Profile photo of Heureux
    Heureux Male 40-49
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    July 26, 2010 at 8:11 pm
    "I just don`t understand what`s bad about this law. I know it`s been said a million times, but illegal is illegal, so where is the problem? "

    It is worthless to actually change anything.

    See, these so called illegals are responding to an innate drive in all life on this planet - when facing a shortage of resources necessary for life, move.

    Desperate people are taking desperate measures to provide for themselves and their families, to stave off starvation and disease, to get out of poverty. There is not a single anti-immigration protester who would not do the same thing - go somewhere legally or not, if the poverty level in the U.S. were as hopeless as it is in Mexico and much of Cen. America.

    And its a safe bet that these anti-immigration protesters would happily ignore the rules to save "the right people" - folk they identified with fleeing "the right countries".

    So this is just racism, and racism is wrong. A
  104. Profile photo of YoungOola
    YoungOola Male 13-17
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    July 26, 2010 at 8:24 pm
    Ah, the vocal minority.

    ...I did not mean that in a racist way.
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    DarkFerret Male 18-29
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    July 26, 2010 at 8:33 pm
    her accent is too thick... can barely understand half the things she saying... makes it hard to tell people in america to go home when you can`t really speak english clearly xP
  106. Profile photo of Slotherder
    Slotherder Male 30-39
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    July 26, 2010 at 8:40 pm
    @ElMustache <sigh> I`m well aware that Columbus was not the first to discover the Americas, which is why I used the quotes around "discovered". Though thanks for your snarky reply and history lesson, all of which I was already aware of. I wonder, somewhere along the lines of trying to refute points which I never made, did you take a second to think about the points I did make? Probably not.
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    number43 Male 70 & Over
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    July 26, 2010 at 8:48 pm
    Comments are better than the video.

    I thought this was about immigration law not who claimed the land first. If this is about who was here first then everyone needs to move back to Africa where all 6.7 billion of us can share the cave were we came from. Let`s give the land back to the dinosaurs!
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    CrakrJak Male 40-49
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    July 26, 2010 at 8:52 pm
    5Cats: I`ve noticed that he`s deleted many of his posts too.

    Removing his blunders ?

    But the law is already Working and it`s not even thursday yet.
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    ElMustache Male 18-29
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    July 26, 2010 at 8:54 pm
    Sloth: Ok then. regarding mlk.
    In 1969, Arizona lawmakers opposed legislation to celebrate Martin Luther King Jr. `s life. There were questions about King`s ties to communism, and questions about extramarital affairs. King`s proponents asked his detractors to focus on the principles he espoused rather than the personal life he led.In 1970, efforts to honor Dr. King were again denied. In 1986, Arizona finally achieved its MLK day by then governor Bruce Babbitt`s executive order still the following year Evan Mecham, who once referred to black children as "pickaninnies," rescinded the executive order as his first act as governor.It was not until 1996, several years after the NFL commissioner Pete Rozell presented Arizona officials with an ultimatum in 1992 to either honor Dr. King with a holiday or the Super Bowl, which had been previously scheduled to be played at Sun Devil stadium in Tempe, would be moved elsewhere. The voters finally approved a MLK day in Arizona.
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    ElMustache Male 18-29
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    July 26, 2010 at 8:59 pm
    sloth: on columbus and latinos. If youre referring to the spanish, then by "shaping" you mean the inquisition.. So yes, we have some spanish blood in our genes but i wouldnt call torture, disease and the forced adoption of catholicism a good thing.
  111. Profile photo of Slotherder
    Slotherder Male 30-39
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    July 26, 2010 at 9:14 pm
    @ElMustache: Ah, yes, the communism thing doesn`t surprise me at all. Paranoia was rampant then (and getting to be again). Also, I admit, there is certainly some residual distrust on the part of many lead politicians in AZ when it comes to the intent of various other groups or organizations, none of which I defend, and all of which I intended to point out have been on the downturn. Is that not something to recognize, or should all states which have not always held a similar opinion as your own be forever condemned? I have not lived here for all of that time, and can only attest to what I have seen of it as I have been here, and thus far, I can tell you it has (with rare exception) done very well with regard to the treatment of its citizens.
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    splurbyburbl Male 30-39
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    July 26, 2010 at 9:22 pm
    "Splurbyburbl: American dollars speak loudly outside the US."

    What`s your point? That a lot of money (no matter the relativity of it -- dollar value in different countries, etc.) can buy legality? I don`t have enought money to buy myself freedom from the Mexican Government and I do well here.

    Your statement is not an argument as it relates to this subject.
  113. Profile photo of Slotherder
    Slotherder Male 30-39
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    July 26, 2010 at 9:22 pm
    @ElMustache: And in regard to the Spanish: No, it was not the Spanish I was referring to, but Columbus in particular, due to my experience in this state and how I understand the situation(s) individually. Columbus was the first European to discover lands across an ocean that were previously unknown to Europeans, opening the opportunity, and further pursuing the opportunity for exploration. However, yes, the Spanish people are also of Latin descent (at the least, partly, and culturally). Of all the things within Latino culture owed to Spanish origin, I find it odd that you only recognize the negative. I have Native American blood, Irish blood, Scottish blood, and possibly some Spanish blood, and yet, I do not hate or ignore the influence of other cultures which influenced the cultures of my ancestors. I take it for what it is.
  114. Profile photo of ElMustache
    ElMustache Male 18-29
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    July 26, 2010 at 9:24 pm
    sloth: im glad we could clear things up. =D Im just a strong proponent of what it says on the statue of liberty. "Give me your tired, your poor,
    Your huddled masses yearning to breathe free,
    The wretched refuse of your teeming shore.
    Send these, the homeless, tempest-tossed to me,
    I lift my lamp beside the golden door!"
    Anyone willing to work hard and be as under paid and taken advantage of as all the "immigrants" of americas past deserved a chance at greater things? Why should it be any different now you know? Criminals should be deported, but for the people just trying to earn a living, isnt that what we`re all trying to do? And as ive said before, we`re being pitted against eachother while ceos and execs make off with all our cash! Whose the bigger criminal? the dishwasher making less than minimum wage, or the corp exec who gave himself and others a muti million dollar bonus in the midst of a financial crisis? (im looking at you big banks)
  115. Profile photo of splurbyburbl
    splurbyburbl Male 30-39
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    July 26, 2010 at 9:27 pm
    "I thought this was about immigration law not who claimed the land first. If this is about who was here first then everyone needs to move back to Africa where all 6.7 billion of us can share the cave were we came from. Let`s give the land back to the dinosaurs!"

    The people that use the argument you describe cannot think for themselves... they`re grasping at straws. Going by their logic, nobody belongs anywhere except at the original starting point of humanity, wherever that is. The bottom line is, the strong overcome the weak and take over and establish a system until something stronger comes along. We are living that reality. To use an argument claiming that we should go back to Europe goes against reality and all logic. Now, back when the actual Europeans stepped foot on this land, if someone had told them to go back, then that would be valid.
  116. Profile photo of Slotherder
    Slotherder Male 30-39
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    July 26, 2010 at 9:28 pm
    Edit: I said Europeans as a generalization. We already established that I am aware of the viking settlements, etc. Hope you can still understand my meaning.
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    ElMustache Male 18-29
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    July 26, 2010 at 9:31 pm
    splurby: The point is, they cater to americans. Go to jamaica, go to mexico, go to any not so well off nation and wave a few bills around and see how well youre taken care of. And yes, money does buy legality, its the entire basis of political action committees, and one of the reasons why the recent supreme court ruling regarding if corporations are people was so wrong. The protected political interests are those with the biggest wallets.
  118. Profile photo of Angilion
    Angilion Male 40-49
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    July 26, 2010 at 9:31 pm
    I`ve just realised something...this would mean Britain getting most of the USA. If we`re rolling back history and all that.

    It would also mean most south Americans, probably including this woman, being deported to Europe. After all, their ancestors were foreign conquerors and that`s what she`s complaining about.

    How far do we go back?

    It`ll cause problems in Britain, Europe and the western parts of Asia. There aren`t any Neanderthals to give the land "back" to.

    She`s just like other aggressive expansionist nationalists - using a very selective view of history.

    It is kind of bizarre that it`s considered OK for people in the USA, like ElMustache for example, to openly advocate the invasion and conquest of the USA by another country.
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    sleepyjoey Male 18-29
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    July 26, 2010 at 9:31 pm
    This was uncomfortable to watch lol.
  120. Profile photo of Slotherder
    Slotherder Male 30-39
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    July 26, 2010 at 9:37 pm
    @ElMustache: As am I; however, my ancestors came here in accordance to the laws that were in place at the time, which is why I previously stated that I, as well as most other Arizonans are for immigration reform. As premature as SB1070 is, and as much of a political stunt as anything else, it still stems from the inability of our state as a single entity to completely reform our immigration system, so we are forced to do what we can, and hope to at least get the ball rolling. Also, on the point of criminals being deported: That is one aspect of the law, or at least intended aspect, as I said in a reply to Madest. Cops are only able to utilize the law in circumstances initiated by a previous infraction. Intent doesn`t go very far when it comes to writing a law, though, another reason I call it premature and don`t agree with it. Again, just another political stunt by Gov. Brewer. Sometimes I wish she just made beer.
  121. Profile photo of ElMustache
    ElMustache Male 18-29
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    July 26, 2010 at 9:41 pm
    angillon: Viva la reconquista at is basest means reconquer, but its so much more than that. Its about human rights getting active politically. Just because we`re on the chopping block at the moment doesnt mean someone else wont be in the future. We have to stand up for one another.

    "Then they came for me
    and by that time no one was left to speak up"
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    ElMustache Male 18-29
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    July 26, 2010 at 9:48 pm
    sloth: Yeah, it is nothing more than a stunt. Why not just enforce the E-verify law thats already in place? Because re election draws near.. Like anything there are those who come on work visas or become citizens and those who dont. For every family like yours that was legal, how many werent? And people were still screaming for them to go back to their own country. They faced prejudice and injustice, legal or not, same as every group thats come to the US. lol @ brewer makin beer.
  123. Profile photo of Angilion
    Angilion Male 40-49
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    July 26, 2010 at 9:48 pm
    angillon: Viva la reconquista at is basest means reconquer, but its so much more than that. Its about human rights getting active politically. Just because we`re on the chopping block at the moment doesnt mean someone else wont be in the future. We have to stand up for one another.

    "Then they came for me
    and by that time no one was left to speak up"

    Bullpoo. You`re just trying to stitch noble principles onto conquest, as many conquerors have done.
  124. Profile photo of Slotherder
    Slotherder Male 30-39
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    July 26, 2010 at 9:49 pm
    @ElMustache So are you a member of La Rasa? If so, that organization is worse than anything Jan Brewer has spewed out. Don`t be a wolf in sheep`s clothing if you intend to inject any sort of reasoning into a conversation and expect it to be taken seriously.
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    jtrebowski Male 40-49
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    July 26, 2010 at 9:49 pm
    To campare this lady to the KKK is utterly ridiculous, and probably downright insulting to people of color. Just like comparing American presidents to Hitler, it`s just not done. It minimalizes unthinkable and horrific events in history.
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    ElMustache Male 18-29
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    July 26, 2010 at 9:51 pm
    angillon: Seriously man. Thats what it means. Read "ask a mexican".
  127. Profile photo of jtrebowski
    jtrebowski Male 40-49
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    July 26, 2010 at 9:52 pm
    ElMustache makes a lot of good points....more than enough to be taken seriously.
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    Slotherder Male 30-39
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    July 26, 2010 at 9:56 pm
    @jtrebowski: Not if the intent is to have wide open borders, with no regulation whatsoever, which is what La Rasa wants in the end.
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    ElMustache Male 18-29
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    July 26, 2010 at 9:57 pm
    sloth: Hahaha! No, I`m not in La Raza. It just strikes a chord with me. I`m mexican american and proud of it. And No, i dont have my last name tattooed on me or brown pride or vatos locos. I leave that to the cholos. lol
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    Slotherder Male 30-39
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    July 26, 2010 at 9:59 pm
    @ElMustache lol, OK, good. That`s relieving. That is a scary group of people, and would be scarier if it had people in it who are able to decently make points. As it is, they`re more of a radicalist group. Scary, but manageable.
  131. Profile photo of CrakrJak
    CrakrJak Male 40-49
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    July 26, 2010 at 10:02 pm
    Slotherder: There is a lot of evidence for Vikings, Asians, and Italians `finding` America. Leif Erricson, Chinese Admiral Cheng Ho, Christopher Columbus, & Amerigo Vespucci. Vespucci got the initial honor by map makers and he`s why we are synonymously called `America`.

    There is even a theory that Ancient Egyptians may have discovered South America, Which may explain the Mayan pyramids.

    In the end, It really doesn`t matter who was first, We all have to live with each other now under current geographic and legal boundaries.
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    ElMustache Male 18-29
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    July 26, 2010 at 10:04 pm
    thank you jtreb, what it comes down to is youre allowed to have different opinions, thats america! =) But the facts have gotten lost. Lay everything out on the table and almost everyone wants the same things so in the end we very nearly agree.
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    wake_n_bake Male 18-29
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    July 26, 2010 at 10:12 pm
    "Go to jamaica, go to mexico, go to any not so well off nation and wave a few bills around and see how well youre taken care of."
    Well, if you aren`t at a resort you`ll probably be robbed and/or kidnapped.
  134. Profile photo of Slotherder
    Slotherder Male 30-39
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    July 26, 2010 at 10:17 pm
    @CrakrJak, yeah, I`ve read about the Egyptian-Myan theory. I don`t buy it, not one bit. I don`t even like to refer to it as a theory. The only "evidence" there is for it is the notion that another culture couldn`t possibly come up with a sophisticated architecture on their own. Even if that were the case, the so-called theory would then have to address the fact that Myan pyramids have no similarities, other than perhaps sheer size, with the Egyptian pyramids. The way they were built was completely different, their cultures (writing, religion, arts, mathematics), aside for both being obsessed with natural cycles (what agriculturally based culture wasn`t?), were completely different. So yeah, not much for, and a whole lot against. There`s heavy archeological and genetic evidence showing that it was a combination of cultures that crossed the land bridge into the Americas.
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    Slotherder Male 30-39
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    July 26, 2010 at 10:20 pm
    hrm, on my screen, it totally messed up my last post, mashed it together with another. Here`s the link I meant.

    Neato interactive map of human migration/settlement
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    Devok07 Male 18-29
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    July 26, 2010 at 10:20 pm
    there`s a difference between living with other races and living with people who are illegal and refuse to learn or make any effort to learn the language we speak. We don`t move to countries not speaking the language. I get people all the time at work who can only speak spanish and expect me to speak it as well.
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    ElMustache Male 18-29
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    July 26, 2010 at 10:21 pm
    Wake n bake: Theres some sad truth to that. Same as any where, there are the good spots and the bad spots.
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    Ogen Male 18-29
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    July 26, 2010 at 10:39 pm
    I don`t understand why people are so against illegal immigrants.

    But hey, if they want to pay twenty dollars for a box of strawberries, let them.
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    Slotherder Male 30-39
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    July 26, 2010 at 10:53 pm
    @Ogen: I, for one, am against the fact that our federal Gov`t has failed to reform our immigration system for way too long, causing state governments to foot the bill when costs are incurred by those who we allow to exist outside of the system. It may be all well and good for most people so long as our economy is kickin arse, and there`s more than enough tax money to go around so no one pays attention, but when states are forced to cut funding as dramatically as they are now, it draws attention to the fact that we have burdens we should not be forced to bear due to the inadequate/archaic regulation. Strawberries are nice and all, but what we don`t pay up-front for on strawberries, we pay for via other means. I`d be willing to forgo some strawberries if that`s all it was.
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    Jackdabomb Male 13-17
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    July 26, 2010 at 10:55 pm
    The guy speaking sounds like Dave Chapelle`s stereotypical white voice. I started drating cracking up as soon as he started talking like that.
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    Dreizehn Male 18-29
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    July 26, 2010 at 10:56 pm
    @Devok07

    I also believe that anyone who moves to another country should learn the places language, but I don`t agree on what you say about people from the United States learning the languages of the countries they move to. For example, I live in Puerto Rico and our official language is spanish, I know a lot of people who moved here from the United States and most of them don`t even know the basics. Anyway, they`re lucky that the vast majority of us Puerto Ricans speak fluid english.
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    RotBottom Male 18-29
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    July 26, 2010 at 11:03 pm
    good for her
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    entwife Female 18-29
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    July 26, 2010 at 11:28 pm
    I have no problem whatsoever with immigrants. I have problems with ILLEGAL, UNDOCUMENTED immigrants, and that is the distinction that the Brown Berets and other groups like them seem to be ignoring. I have even bigger problems with illegal, undocumented immigrants who slam America and LEGAL American citizens and refuse to learn a stitch of English, but yet they feel some weird sense of entitlement to be living in our country.

    Seriously, if you want to live here so bad, begin by having even the tiniest shred of respect for the country and culture you will be moving into, and then maybe we can begin a coherent discussion. Until then, realize that as an illegal, undocumented immigrant, you are not protected by our Constitution or our Bill of Rights nor are you entitled to any other rights and priveleges that legal citizens have. It sucks, but those are the rules.
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    I-IS-BORED Male 18-29
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    July 26, 2010 at 11:31 pm
    wait... if this woman feels that people with roots in europe aren`t allowed to be in america, why doesn`t she send herself back to spain???
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    yanging Male 18-29
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    July 26, 2010 at 11:51 pm
    "I also believe that anyone who moves to another country should learn the places language, but I don`t agree on what you say about people from the United States learning the languages of the countries they move to. For example, I live in Puerto Rico and our official language is spanish, I know a lot of people who moved here from the United States and most of them don`t even know the basics. Anyway, they`re lucky that the vast majority of us Puerto Ricans speak fluid english. "

    And you`re lucky that Puerto Rico is considered a commonwealth of the U.S. Were this not the case, English would not even be taught in Puerto Rican schools.
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    janus_games Male 18-29
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    July 26, 2010 at 11:55 pm
    My family is mexican american, all of my aunts and uncles were raised here 1950-1970s, most of them don`t speak spanish.

    My grandmother and grandfather were raised here, they do speak spanish, but they speak it without accent.

    My great grandmother was raised here, she worked on boats fixing nets in the first world war. She was hardcore. She spoke with a slight accent.

    Let me be clear, I am against illegal immigration. Against it because it isn`t fair to people who come into this country legally, it isn`t fair to people who can`t just hop a fence or boat across or ski across (Damn Snowbacks!)

    That said, the current Arizona laws are NOT the way to do this. There`s too much room for the opportunity of racism in giving police that much discretion.

    Instead, we need to be enforcing tough laws against those companies who *hire* illegals, and cut the anchor of children born to illegal immigrants. Without that incentive to bring them over here
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    securitywyrm Male 18-29
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    July 27, 2010 at 12:15 am
    Ya know... If you`re in MEXICO illegaly you are totally screwed. The police are REQUIRED to see your papers before investigating any crime.
    In most other countries, the police can stop and ask for your papers as the sole reason of stopping you.
    And we wonder why other countries laugh at us.

    "So... let me get this straight. They put billions of dollars into `national security` to make a giant border fence around their country... but then assume it`s impenetrable and won`t double check anybody on the `good` side of the fence."
    That`s like having a kick-ass firewall for network but having no virus checkers.
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    belunan Male 30-39
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    July 27, 2010 at 12:28 am
    I`ve read six pages of comments. Ideas, opinions, facts, laws, but above all, civility.

    I salute you IABers.
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    alpensepp Male 70 & Over
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    July 27, 2010 at 1:08 am
    i wonder....wasnt the population of cali, nevada, arizona and texas from spanish/mexican descent anyway? i mean the usa bought/conquered those territories from spain/mexico. there must be some native population before the white americans came there. not all hispanics are immigrants.
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    ScottSerious Male 18-29
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    July 27, 2010 at 1:32 am
    que?
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    Slotherder Male 30-39
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    July 27, 2010 at 1:44 am
    @Janus Games: We do enforce employer sanctions laws in AZ, and we love E-Verify insofar as it is capable. There`s two big problems with it, though. 1. E-Verify is pretty easy to get around. 2. It doesn`t fix the fact that we WANT to be able to LEGAL-ly employ migrant WORKERS. IMO a visa status would be the best option.

    OK, time to hit the hay. I`ve clogged up this thread enough for one evening, anyway. G`night everyone. Thanks for the chat (especially you, ElMoustache). Was a good one.
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    Suicism Male 18-29
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    July 27, 2010 at 2:18 am
    Damnit! I should have gone.. Sign me up!
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    Jnic815 Male 18-29
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    July 27, 2010 at 2:44 am
    So let me get this straight she wants Americans to leave America and go to Europe mainly Germany apparently... I have an idea I`ll go back to Europe when she goes back to Mexico where she belongs, even though I`m mostly Cherokee indian
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    kaffebaggel Male 18-29
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    July 27, 2010 at 2:49 am
    @ alpensepp: Well all hispanics are immigrants, it sort of is right there in the name. European immigrants even. Not all people of south america are immigrants though, far from it.
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    Musuko42 Male 18-29
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    July 27, 2010 at 3:11 am
    @Jnic815

    "I have an idea I`ll go back to Europe when she goes back to Mexico where she belongs"

    You missed the point of the fail; latino people in North and South America originated from Spain and Portugal. She originates from Europe herself.

    Hence her fail.
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    Musuko42 Male 18-29
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    July 27, 2010 at 3:20 am
    @CrakrJak

    A quick note on pyramids; a pyramid is simply the easiest way for a primitive culture to build a tower. It`s only natural that many cultures progressed through that technology in parallel, and in isolation.

    Also, it may seem like ancient civilisations were throwing up pyramids left right and centre, but the truth is that they weren`t; it simply seems that way because the ones that did left whacking great artifacts behind as evidence (the pyramids), and the ones that didn`t, didn`t.

    If 100 ancient civilisations existed, and only five of them built pyramids around the world, you may look at those pyramids and think "OMG, these five civilisations all over the world built pyramids, they must be linked!" When you factor in those other 95, it`s far less significant.
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    splurbyburbl Male 30-39
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    July 27, 2010 at 3:53 am
    "splurby: The point is, they cater to americans. Go to jamaica, go to mexico, go to any not so well off nation and wave a few bills around and see how well youre taken care of. And yes, money does buy legality, its the entire basis of political action committees, and one of the reasons why the recent supreme court ruling regarding if corporations are people was so wrong. The protected political interests are those with the biggest wallets."

    OK, granted, but what percentage of very wealthy people are able to do this? You and I would have to agree the percentage is single digit I am sure. I think it`s a very moot point.
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    IpoopGlitter Female 18-29
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    July 27, 2010 at 4:26 am
    Someone please take away her megaphone! It`s hard to even understand what she`s saying. It`s so annoying how people distort what is really going on.
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    janus_games Male 18-29
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    July 27, 2010 at 4:50 am
    @Slotherder - There are also big problems with using the discretionary decision of police when asking for papers.

    There is still racism in this country. My mom is white, and I look pretty darn white, and I only speak spanish well enough to order from a menu at a restaurant, so I get a pass from folks who don`t know me. I know stories from friends that would shock you. I can tell you those stories are true, not because I was there, but because I`m too brown for some on my mothers side, and the stories, the looks, I experienced them too. More brutal because it`s family, but at least it`s not as often, and I can just avoid them, and I do.

    I dislike the guest worker program for the same reason I don`t like illegal immigration. It`s not fair.

    People who contribute sweat and hard work to the wealth and prosperity of this country should have a path to citizenship if they choose to seek it. Not at least offering is exploitative.
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    janus_games Male 18-29
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    July 27, 2010 at 5:03 am
    @Slotherder - One last thing before I go to other people, you said it yourself, E-Verify is pretty easy to get around, and anyone hiring illegal aliens who gets found out basically gets a slap on the wrist. Businesses are getting the same pass they pretty much always have.

    If Arizona wants to be fair, they need to impose very strict, even punitive, penalties for businesses that hire illegal immigrants.

    I will never vilify a group of people who are working to make sure their families are fed, and they have a roof over their heads, illegal or not.

    However, businesses who hire illegal immigrants are doing it because it improves their bottom line. In doing so, they screw everyone to line their pockets. The migrant workers who gets paid less than they deserve, the worker who has to take a lower paying job because your work force is a commodity, and there`s a glut in supply for skilled, but not educated workers.

    Instead we`re going after people. Th
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    janus_games Male 18-29
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    July 27, 2010 at 5:14 am
    @Musuko People married the native folks in latin america WAY WAY more than they did in the US. Unlike the US whose population was largely migrant decent from europe, Latin and South America had basically military, church, and small time aristocracy (which is why the land was mainly rancheros). She`s probably a good bit mixed by now.
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    jonathanhoag Male 30-39
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    July 27, 2010 at 5:16 am
    I suspect that she may be trolling the crowd, and not *really* believe what she`s saying.

    @Musuko42 Sure, the Latinos of N. and S. America are *partially* descended from Spain and Portugal people. They are also partially from the Maya, Inca, Aztec, etc., depending on which area you look at. The percentage varies by individual. I have met some Maya in the jungle of the Yucatan that had essentially zero European blood. This is why Latinos are generally brown while Spaniards and Portuguese are white. A lot of Brazilians are black.

    Anyway, I think it`s hilarious how upset the crowd is with what she`s saying, and calling her racist, because I have for years suspected that the illegal immigration fervor in this country was simply a socially acceptable front for racism.

    "Oh, no, I don`t have anything against them dirty Mexicans, I just hate that they`re breaking the law." Right. And you assume that every Latino person you see is 1) Mexican, 2) illegal, a
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    splurbyburbl Male 30-39
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    July 27, 2010 at 5:22 am
    "People who contribute sweat and hard work to the wealth and prosperity of this country should have a path to citizenship if they choose to seek it. Not at least offering is exploitative."

    In reality most of that sweat and hard work gets illegals better money, which they send back home to where they should be. None of that helps our economy or our country.
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    jonathanhoag Male 30-39
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    July 27, 2010 at 5:34 am
    @splurbyburbl
    Sure, illegals come up here to work and send as much money home as they can....
    Although statistically, if an illegal is here more than a few years, they stop sending so much back home, start trying to live the American Dream, and make your statement false - but let`s pretend that they all send money home.

    Of course you`ve heard it before, but obviously you didn`t understand it. Illegal immigrants are primarily doing jobs that Americans won`t do, or that Americans won`t pay to have done by Americans.

    Farmers use migrant farm workers because they`re cheap. Americans won`t work that hard for that little money, we`re too privileged. Farmers can`t afford to pay Americans to do the work because it raises the cost of the their crop.

    Same logic applies to whatever industry you want to point to. Using illegal laborers makes the product cheaper. This does help the economy, doesn`t it? It makes the things you buy more affordable.
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    splurbyburbl Male 30-39
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    July 27, 2010 at 6:33 am
    @Johnathanhoag: I still disagree. I said nobody has a valid argument and I will stick by it. We have let this happen for so long that, of course we hire them because of the lower cost. And if we didn`t because they were never around? We would have found a way. Good businessmen/women always find a way. American ingenuity would and still will prevail. If we never had cheap immigrant labor, there would have been different tax initiatives for farmers, better inventions and technology to create an offset,etc. Do you honestly think that the American labor industries would just never have existed? No, they exist now and prosper in part by cheap illegal labor. But, if that had never existed in the first place you would have to be a very daft person to say that it could not have been done any other way. We let it go on too damn long, and now we pay a bigger price. So be it.
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    sbeelz Male 30-39
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    July 27, 2010 at 6:38 am
    "It seems to me illegals want the American dream and should be rewarded for it, not vilified by those who just happened to have been born here."

    This.
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    meepmaker Male 30-39
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    July 27, 2010 at 6:39 am
    Ugh. So sick of this. If everyone would just play by the rules there would be no problem.
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    pmarren Male 40-49
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    July 27, 2010 at 7:30 am
    I`d tap it.
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    Gerry1of1 Male 50-59
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    July 27, 2010 at 7:56 am
    There`s only one way to make a woman like that shut up.

    Okay, two ways. There are two ways to keep her quiet.
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    sbeelz Male 30-39
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    July 27, 2010 at 8:22 am
    "Ugh. So sick of this. If everyone would just play by the rules there would be no problem."

    If you had to choose between providing for your children or playing by the rules, which would you choose? By the way, the problem is largely illusory. Yes, this country has high unemployment- but there are few people born in this country willing to do the kind of work that most undocumented workers do. If you`re unemployed, and want that kind of work- check out takeourjobs.org.
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    riathrift Female 18-29
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    July 27, 2010 at 8:24 am
    Now that I`m all caught up on the thread, I have a few things I`ve been wanting to say.

    Firstly, it always amuses me when people use the statement on the Statue of Liberty as a basis for argument in illegal immigration. It is an inaccurate representation of those words! You were still required to go through immigration paperwork to come here, in fact shortly after it was built an island nearby, Ellis Island, became a central station for immigration and deportation. A lot of people went through Ellis Island to jump through all their hoops to become a legal immigrant and be granted rights and protection in this country.

    They weren`t for ILLEGAL immigration either, and would deport you if you were found to be in the country illegally.

    Second: I do not believe "People who contribute sweat and hard work to the wealth and prosperity of this country should have a path to citizenship if they choose to seek it. Not at least offering is exploitative." The o
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    riathrift Female 18-29
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    July 27, 2010 at 8:24 am
    The only path to citizenship anyone "deserves" is the legal path. The legal path takes time, takes knowledge, and I believe at least an understanding of the language of the general population: English.

    No one should be rewarded "for their hard work", when they broke the law in the first place. Illegal = Broken law. You don`t get a pat on the back for breaking the law, you get punished. In the case of illegals, that punishment should be deportation.

    Finally, for now: The Arizona Law. The way I understand it, you have to get caught for something else before this even becomes an issue. If you`re a good little illegal, and not one of those that many complain about ruining society with murder and crime, you shouldn`t really have to worry. If you are driving around with an illegal and following all the laws of Arizona... you should be fine. You have to get caught doing something else, before your legal vs illegal status becomes an issue with the police
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    riathrift Female 18-29
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    July 27, 2010 at 8:25 am
    police officer. Don`t steal, don`t speed, don`t kill. Understand and follow Arizona and United States Laws, and your immigration status shouldn`t even be an issue... theoretically of course. (Speaking English would help, too...)

    I have nothing wrong with Mexican/Latino, Italian, African, Iranian, Chinese, European, Korean, & ect. immigrants... just the illegal ones. So do other major countries in the world.
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    riathrift Female 18-29
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    July 27, 2010 at 8:52 am
    I never said "speaking English should be a requirement to come into this country"... I said that I believe at least some understanding of English IS required to come into this country.

    You do not have to speak a language to have some understanding of it. I don`t speak fluent Spanish or Japanese (I`ve been to Mexico and want to go to Japan), but I do understand enough of it to follow basic instructions, to find a public restroom, and to tell someone I do not speak their language IN their language - in case they do not understand ME in mine - and finally, to get a translator.

    I learned these things to VISIT these places... they want to LIVE here.
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    piperfawn Male 30-39
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    July 27, 2010 at 8:54 am
    Guys i`m not american and i clearly understand what she say, i clearly understand what other peoples say to. If you don`t understand maybe is just your problem, dumbness?, and leading this discussion on how she talk is just useless and bit racist.
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    xhaseox Male 18-29
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    July 27, 2010 at 9:10 am
    @dm2754 how do you figure native americans are mexican because I AM native american and I am definitely not mexican ?
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    Cashaviola Female 18-29
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    July 27, 2010 at 9:13 am
    This video is rather funny. Everyone comments are so racist and hate filled it is so sad that this is what we show our children and teach them. You hear so many Americans tell other nationals to back to their own country, I give it to this Mexican woman to had the balls to tell us to go back to Europe...lol
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    bigbaddave Male 40-49
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    July 27, 2010 at 9:15 am
    It seems to me illegals want the American dream and should be rewarded for it, not vilified by those who just happened to have been born here.
    *****************************

    It`s no different then someone wanting to live the European Dream or the Austrailian Dream... you still have to go through the immigration process where ever you go... coming to America is no different, you want to come here.. fine.. do it the right way.

    A few have mentioned about speaking english.. while never being officially named the language of the USA, a person would be ignorant to say its not. I believe that the requirement of speaking english is more so that a person can have at least a way of communicating at least. Its like what if a Mexican person went to a hospital and for some reason there was no one there that could understand what the person was saying and hence, didn`t know what was wrong with the person.... this would be an example why knowing at least a little english would b
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    riathrift Female 18-29
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    July 27, 2010 at 9:21 am
    Racist undertones or not, they aren`t mine. I was merely stating that, as far as I know, immigrating into this country requires time (it doesn`t happen overnight), knowledge (I`ve seen the test they want you to take to come into the country and I`m not sure I could pass it right this second), and some understanding of English.

    I didn`t say I agreed or disagreed with the practice, just that it exists.

    I go to all that trouble out of respect, not because I believe it is necessary. I went to Mexico for my uncles wedding, and I wanted to be able to politely convey to my new family that I couldn`t talk to them in Spanish (very few knew any English)... the rest was for the vacation part of my trip.

    I honestly don`t see how I treat non-English speaking people any differently, other than the need for someone who can understand them to translate... if I cannot speak their language either. Doing otherwise allows for a chance at miscommuncation, which doesn`t solve a
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    riathrift Female 18-29
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    July 27, 2010 at 9:21 am
    which doesn`t solve anything.

    Nice job trying to make me look like a racist though. *thumbs up*

    Again: I have nothing against non-English speaking immigrants, nor the ones who do speak English... just the ones who come into the country illegaly. Is there something wrong with that?
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    SKULLMAN Male 18-29
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    July 27, 2010 at 9:49 am
    I guess she failed to consider that her ancestors are also most likely European.
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    amonamarth20 Male 18-29
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    July 27, 2010 at 10:04 am
    she has a point in a way.

    i mean we europeans did invade their country. if we didnt invade it would still have been a load of native american colonies.

    if anything mexicans have more right to live in america than any white person, come to think about it :S
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    Gerry1of1 Male 50-59
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    July 27, 2010 at 10:20 am
    "Give me your tired, your poor, your huddled masses yearning to breathe free. The wretched refuse of your teeming shore. Send these, the homeless, tempest-lost to me."

    That`s from a poem about the statue by Emma Lazarus, "The New Colossus," 1883.

    It is NOT U.S. Imigration policy.
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    GhettoNinja Male 30-39
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    July 27, 2010 at 10:22 am
    I think she is an anti-semite too...I kept hearing Jew aren`t American, Jew go back to Europe.

    Man...she has problems.
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    Sohltofangy Male 18-29
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    July 27, 2010 at 10:43 am
    She`s GOT to be an agent for the anti-immigration movement... it`s too obvious.
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    Pedalen Male 18-29
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    July 27, 2010 at 11:06 am
    "if anything mexicans have more right to live in america than any white person, come to think about it :S"

    Really? Mexicans isnt native americans... their ancestors were the spanish -.- the best reply to her would be "yeah, you can follow me home"
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    Gerry1of1 Male 50-59
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    July 27, 2010 at 11:11 am
    Geez! Latino`s keep saying it`s racist just because it`s directed at them. What a bunch of bambinos!
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    CrakrJak Male 40-49
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    July 27, 2010 at 11:26 am
    madest: Knowing English is part and parcel to the test they are required to take to become a legal citizen. It`s the same test that`s been posted here a few times. Citizenship Test.

    If you can`t read English how could you pass the test ? Part of being a citizen is knowing your constitutional rights, If you can`t read and understand them you won`t pass.
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    kilroy5555 Male 30-39
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    July 27, 2010 at 11:52 am
    CA is Mexican land? Didn`t we fight a war over that already?
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    kilroy5555 Male 30-39
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    July 27, 2010 at 12:10 pm
    1) The portion of the application for citizenship that tests your knowledge of the English language is not included in the citizenship test. It`s a separate part of the application process, though admittedly it`s not very extensive/difficult.

    2) The citizenship test is in English, which is a test of your knowledge of the English language in and of itself. There are exceptions to this, however, for long time greencard holders who are above a certain age.
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    kilroy5555 Male 30-39
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    July 27, 2010 at 12:13 pm
    To be more specific, from USCIS:

    1) Reading. To test your ability to read in English, you must read one sentence, out of three sentences, in a manner suggesting to the USCIS officer that you understand the meaning of the sentence.

    2) Writing. To test your ability to write in English, you must write one sentence, out of three sentences, in a manner that would be understandable as written to the USCIS officer.

    3) Speaking. Your ability to speak English is determined by your answers to questions normally asked by USCIS officers during the naturalization eligibility interview regarding the information on your Form N-400, Application for Naturalization.

    Again, not the most difficult test in the world, but a requirement nonetheless.
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    riathrift Female 18-29
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    July 27, 2010 at 12:21 pm
    @Kilroy: I was just about to write much the same thing, just in a little less detail (giving a link to the USCIS`s .gov website for anyone who wanted to look into it themselves).

    @madest: Of course none of the questions on the test were "What is the official language of the United States?" I wouldn`t expect that question to be on any countries immigration tests. They test you on it directly, as kilroy shows.

    Agree or disagree, but knowing at least some English is one of the requirements.
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    mrjude Male 18-29
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    July 27, 2010 at 12:22 pm
    I don`t see any fail other than the annoying guy filming it. She has a good point, if anything, this is not the white man`s country. I`m not going to go anywhere, but her point is good: if people want anybody to leave at all, why shouldn`t the whites leave? I`d leave before I ever wanted anyone else to leave.
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    Gerry1of1 Male 50-59
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    July 27, 2010 at 12:42 pm
    You`re right, Madest. They should not teach their kids english and thereby condem them to menial jobs where language skills are not required. Like gardner, dishwasher or maid.

    It`s to their advantage to learn english.

    On a side note... Mexico makes no accomodation for you. Learn Spanish or GET THE HELL OUT. And you sure as hell better have your papers on you in Mexico if your a foreigner. Turnabout you know...
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    screwzlooose Male 30-39
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    July 27, 2010 at 12:50 pm
    i`ve got it! we make it illeagal to mate with a person of the same ethnicity.

    50 years from now, problem solved.

    + all these intolerant asshats will be dead.

    and i mean both sides.
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    riathrift Female 18-29
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    July 27, 2010 at 12:58 pm
    That isn`t exactly how the constitution works. The initial constitution was mostly about how the government is set up, how things work, who is who, how people are picked for what positions, the checks and balances of the different branches of the government, and finally how to add "Amendments".

    The Bill of Rights, the first of the amendments, tell you what the government CANNOT do and what Human Rights the government is expected to uphold, ending in what to do in the event something does not fall under the Constitution (where it becomes the States responsibility to decide the laws and whether or not something not previously mentioned is a Human Right).

    Beyond that were actual modifications to the constitution itself, allowing women to vote, a change here and there to rules about presidency and what to do if a president dies, ect.

    No where does it state the immigration policy in the constitution.
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    riathrift Female 18-29
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    July 27, 2010 at 1:03 pm
    Immigration Policy is decided by the people who were picked by the means the constitution outlined, who are expected to at least hear out the general citizen population as to what we expect. If a majority expect English to be required, they`ll slip that in there. It doesn`t say you can`t speak other languages (which would be a violation of the Constitution`s first Amendment Rights), just that you must speak this specific language. You aren`t even required to speak/read it well, as was pointed out before... From what I looked like it doesn`t violate any constitutional rights (which is what you have to look for with the constitution, as it doesn`t say "You must do this" it is mostly "You cannot do this")
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    riathrift Female 18-29
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    July 27, 2010 at 1:04 pm
    you must ***be able to** speak this specific language

    (mild correction)
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    moefreak Female 18-29
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    July 27, 2010 at 1:07 pm
    She is quite obviously being satirical in order to show what these tea party protesters sound like to immigrants.

    There is nothing wrong with being against illegal immigration. Everyone is against illegal immigration. What I have an issue with is when people treat all (particularly Hispanic) immigrants as if they must be illegals.
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    Ozmose Male 30-39
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    July 27, 2010 at 1:09 pm
    I wish I could go back to Germany, but for some reason I`m too poor.

    Thank you American economy!!!!

    :-(
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    riathrift Female 18-29
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    July 27, 2010 at 1:24 pm
    I wrote that while looking over a summary of the constitution. I used the summary because it would be faster than going through the whole constitution to make a point here on IAB.

    You twist your own point in your post. First you say "The constitution is your protection against the tyranny of government. It spells out your rights that cannot be infringed upon by the government." Which is almost exactly what I said, just in different words; It tells the government what it CANNOT do (protection against tyranny) and what Rights the government is expected to uphold (that cannot be infringed upon)...

    It says nothing about Immigration Policy, which is something that is expected to be built within the limitations and by the government, both set up by the constitution.
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    riathrift Female 18-29
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    July 27, 2010 at 1:27 pm
    No where does it say Immigration Policy cannot be formed around what those who built it found to be in the best interested of the United States as a whole. If they found that requiring some knowledge of the majority language within the country was in the best interest of the United States... then it may have been made into a requirement.

    In fact, I don`t see a single word about immigration policy in what I`ve read so far. *goes off to do more research*
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    BoredFrank Male 40-49
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    July 27, 2010 at 1:27 pm
    She looks really stupid in that beret.
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    madest Male 40-49
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    July 27, 2010 at 1:35 pm
    The first official written explanation of American citizenship was included in the 14th Amendment to the Constitution (1868). Section 1 of this amendment declares that "All persons born or naturalized in the United States, and subject to the jurisdiction thereof, are citizens of the United States and of the State wherein they reside." The wording of this amendment places national citizenship before state citizenship. In other words, an American is first a citizen of the United States and then a citizen of the state in which he or she lives.
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    riathrift Female 18-29
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    July 27, 2010 at 1:48 pm
    Alright. While what you put up doesn`t touch directly on the issue at hand, it shows that I missed something in my reading (probably because it was a summary and I didn`t just go read the whole constitution seconds before typing). I will admit my mistake, but in return show you that part where I was (partly) right.

    ~~~

    "Article I, section 8, clause 4 of the United States Constitution expressly gives the United States Congress the power to establish a uniform rule of naturalization."

    ~~~

    So Congress gets to decide what the rule of naturalization is, and on October 1, 2008 it changed from a test to "the applicant`s knowledge of American society and the English language."

    Thanks, I may not have found that if you hadn`t given that last post :)
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    deathxtra Male 13-17
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    July 27, 2010 at 1:54 pm
    F-F-F-FFLAAAAME WAAR!
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    craftymiser Male 30-39
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    July 27, 2010 at 1:57 pm
    Uh, this is America. Bought and paid for by the wars, sweat and blood of our ancestors. Of course we can make our own immigration laws. Why should we be expected to let foreigners in and have less secure borders when Mexico`s own southern border is going through the same influx of people and border patrol problems that we are??? Can you say "Hypocrite"?
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    riathrift Female 18-29
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    July 27, 2010 at 2:04 pm
    I don`t know who you are talking to when you say flame war, but I am merely enjoying a fairly civil conversation on the constitution and immigration policy. It`s good practice for when I visit the In-Laws! The conversations there can get intense. x3
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    craftymiser Male 30-39
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    July 27, 2010 at 2:10 pm
    Maybe if I say it louder it`ll make me look smarter
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    Mikeado Male 18-29
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    July 27, 2010 at 3:18 pm
    Hey lady! Shut the f*ck up! No-one`s listening and they want to keep it that way.
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    Boboda Female 70 & Over
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    July 27, 2010 at 3:34 pm
    WE ALL CAME FOR AFRICA!!! EVERYONE GET THE drat BACK TO AFRICA YOU ARE NOT WELCOME HERE!!!
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    Tylerch Male 18-29
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    July 27, 2010 at 4:12 pm
    That lady is my hero, good for her.
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    Dolomyte Male 18-29
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    July 27, 2010 at 4:25 pm
    The border was established by US-Mexico war.

    La Rasa is a movement in Mexico to retake the lands that were bought from Mexico and a treaty was signed. La Rasa`s goal is to terrorize Americans who live along the border till they leave the area. Kidnapping in AZ is one of these methods of terrorism and what she is doing is a blatant act of terrorism.
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    Angilion Male 40-49
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    July 27, 2010 at 6:00 pm
    I think language should be a requirement for immigration. More than that, actually - I think anyone who settles in a country should become of that country. Language, culture, heritage, the works.

    Visiting is a different matter, but if you`re going to settle permanently in a country, you should become of that country. So, for example, if I ever emigrated to France, I`d become French. French as my first language, French history as my history, French culture as my culture, French heritage as my heritage - French. Otherwise I`d just be visting, even if I`d been living there for years.

    Even when I just visted France, I learnt enough French to be able to get by a bit and express regret that I didn`t speak their language better, as a matter of courtesy.
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    Rman1201 Male 18-29
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    July 27, 2010 at 6:18 pm
    I mean that area WAS once a part of Mexico... so she does have a point.
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    strivejaylen Male 18-29
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    July 27, 2010 at 7:16 pm
    hey Latinos your not Latino or Hispanic your a spaniel go back to Spain lol
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    stonker Male 40-49
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    July 27, 2010 at 7:59 pm
    stupid bint, Mexicans are European descendants too

    she`s also forgetting that the Native Americans had that land before the Mexicans kicked them out of it

    and the Native Americans were immigrants too from Asia, so everyone should get out so the gophers can have it back

    though they stole it from some geckos

    kinda gets meaningless in the end doesnt it
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    GuardinGnome Male 18-29
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    July 27, 2010 at 9:32 pm
    Fail Mexicans.
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    madest Male 40-49
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    July 27, 2010 at 9:36 pm
    I think anyone who settles in a country should become of that country. Language, culture, heritage, the works.
    ---------
    Obviously. That being said no American could point to a group and say they are not trying to assimilate. Nobody is refusing to learn English. To suggest that that`s whats happening in AZ is craziness.
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    DarthTyranus Male 18-29
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    July 27, 2010 at 9:48 pm
    Mexicans are a mixture of europeans and natives. Just like me. Im not mexican but I have a bit of native american. And mostly European.

    That lady should totally go back to spain!
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    Ductapemafia Male 18-29
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    July 27, 2010 at 9:52 pm
    lol real?
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    DarthTyranus Male 18-29
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    July 27, 2010 at 10:02 pm
    Oh yeah. We did buy texas and California from Mexico. We didnt steal it.Its just like how we bought Alaska from Russia.Thanks for mentioning that Dolomyte.

    @moefreak I agree. Just because your against illegal immigration doesnt mean your a racest. Though that dosnt mean you should hate all mexicans.Because most actually are legal. In fact I have a couple Mexican friends myself. Even they are against it because they came here legally and dont think its fair that people who come here illegally end up getting special privileges and automatic citizenship. I do relize that hasnt happened yet but if people like her get their way it will.

    I also think you should learn the language of the country your moving to. For instance if I were to move to mexico or spain or France I would want to learn how to speak Spanish or French. Just so I dont look like a retard when im talking or want to buy something at a store.
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    CrakrJak Male 40-49
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    July 27, 2010 at 10:15 pm
    madest: Nobody is refusing to learn English.

    Yes there are, Many of the `Reconquista` groups promote segregation and spanish only speaking in `their` neighborhoods. The attendance rate for school age children in public schools in these areas is abysmal. It is clear many of these people do not wish to assimilate into America, They want to carve out pieces of the USA, segregate themselves in them, Yet still want the social benefits of living in America.
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    Nburkie420 Male 18-29
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    July 27, 2010 at 10:38 pm
    Ha this is just too funny. USA!USA!USA!
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    CrakrJak Male 40-49
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    July 28, 2010 at 5:17 am
    madest: More insults, I see. It really shows how limited your intelligence is when you can`t debate honestly or civilly.

    Did it ever dawn on you that perhaps there are record numbers of deportations because there are corresponding record numbers of illegals crossing the border ?

    Nearly 23 Million illegals live in the USA, 400,000 deportations is only 1.7%. That`s certainly a fine example of the term `Drop in the bucket`.
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    S-Nap Male 18-29
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    July 28, 2010 at 7:37 am
    Does she realise that most Mexicans are at least part descendent of Spanish settlers, making her just as European as the people she`s telling to go back to Europe.

    All pat the crazy lady on the head.
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    LillianDulci Female 18-29
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    July 28, 2010 at 8:09 am
    Haaa when the video started I thought it was going to be about the racism of the "pro Arizona" people. Anyway, maybe I don`t know enough about the "brown berets" but it seemed to me like she was just giving them a taste of their own medicine. White people came here illegally, and they`re shouting about people coming here illegally, so..

    I mean, I don`t support illegal immigration, but I don`t support punishing people who came here legally (as the Arizona law does) because of the illegal immigrants and I do support helping illegal immigrants become citizens.
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    aikiman Male 40-49
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    July 28, 2010 at 9:31 am
    Epic Win to the mexican lady. Her protest makes a good point about indigenous populations and land `ownership`. Britains invaded North America in 1600ish bringing black slaves, Spanish invaded from 1492 so miss mexico there predates all the blacks and whites. They just need a native American to turn up and tell her to go home now..
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    Gerry1of1 Male 50-59
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    July 28, 2010 at 9:49 am
    I cannot understand why people are opposed to having some measure of control over who comes to this country.

    When jobs are scarce and we don`t have enough for our own people. When virtually every state in the union is broke and can`t afford assistance for it`s own people. When an average person can`t afford to buy a home and wages are still dropping.

    How bad do you want it to get before you say, "Sorry. We helped all we could but now we`re broke."?

    Being generous is great until your own people go hungry because you have nothing left to help your own.

    We`re past that point already.
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    5Cats Male 50-59
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    July 28, 2010 at 10:55 am
    vv "give them all amnesty" oh theres a good idea! By this time next year there will be 46 million MORE illegals, all yelping for amnesty too!
    YEah, that`ll stop them, fer shure.
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    DavidXJ Male 30-39
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    July 28, 2010 at 12:53 pm
    I`m so sick of people being pissed about things that happened 100+ years ago. Now if she was pissed about her US born mexican grandpa who got shipped back to his "native" Mexico in the 50s, then fine. But that`s not what she`s saying.
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    CrakrJak Male 40-49
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    July 28, 2010 at 1:24 pm
    Amnesty has been tried before and it failed. The last time it was tried less than 10% of the resident illegals eligible signed up for it. It also cost a lot of money to setup and it did not have the desired effect. It didn`t tighten security at the border and factories just faked documents for their illegal workers.

    And who tried this last time ? Ronald Reagan in 1986. I mentioned that just so you liberals don`t think I`m bashing a democrat here.
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    Angilion Male 40-49
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    July 28, 2010 at 3:51 pm
    Obviously. That being said no American could point to a group and say they are not trying to assimilate. Nobody is refusing to learn English.

    That is simply not true. There are people refusing to learn English or refusing to speak English except if it`s absolutely necessary. In Miami, for example, English is a *minority* language. Spanish is now the main language in Miami.

    Also, note that "viva la reconquista" is not English. Do you think that people advocating the Mexican conquest of large parts of the USA are assimiliating into the USA? Really?
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    adlinbaby Female 18-29
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    July 28, 2010 at 11:09 pm
    BLAHHH
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    CrakrJak Male 40-49
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    July 28, 2010 at 11:42 pm
    madest: Historically every legal immigrant group has made an effort to assimilate into American culture and learn English. Even the Spanish and early Mexican immigrants did this. Things have changed a lot in the last 20 years, Illegals don`t care to learn English now. In fact, They insist to be spoken to in Spanish and want other accommodations as well.

    Most other civilized countries have an official language, America does not (yet), Although many states have adopted English as their official language on their own. We should make it clear that English is our official language and pass a constitutional amendment to affirm it.

    The above is secondary to securing our borders, Deporting illegals, And punishing companies that knowingly employ them.
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    oxyl Male 30-39
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    July 29, 2010 at 9:40 am
    america is f*cked . idiots
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    riathrift Female 18-29
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    July 29, 2010 at 11:24 am
    No one ever said anywhere that they wanted people thrown in jail for not knowing English. I`ve been reading these comments carefully, and that is definitely not what was said.

    What was said was that a lot of people have witnessed these illegal immigrants, who have realized they have more rights than we do in our own country out of our countries intense need to feel protect everyone except white people from racism.. they have witnessed these people REFUSING to learn English, and demanding to be spoken to in Spanish.

    When Congress added the knowledge of some English to the requirements for Naturalization, the Constitution clearly having given them the power to make that call, it more or less became the "language of the land".

    Also, as mentioned before, Amnesty was tried before and did not help then either. Illegals (of any race) know they have the better end of the deal if they remain illegal. If they become legal they have to follow all those pesky
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    riathrift Female 18-29
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    July 29, 2010 at 11:26 am
    pesky laws, as well as having to pay taxes!

    While we could theoretically use more people paying taxes, no one WANTS to do it... And we get more people paying taxes by allowing them to come to the States LEGALLY in the first place.
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    CrakrJak Male 40-49
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    July 29, 2010 at 4:19 pm
    madest: HR 3333 (The proposed English language amendment) Had no penalty associated with it, Once again you build a straw doll.

    Also once again you call me a racist and a xenophobe, I have nothing against LEGAL immigration nor am I racist.

    Oh yeah I forgot, Being against Obama`s policies automatically makes someone a racist in your eyes.

    You have to call it racism because if you called it anything else you might actually have to debate it.

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    Angilion Male 40-49
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    July 29, 2010 at 6:15 pm
    Wow Ang, You and CJ should get a room. You both are aware of what people do. They can`t just not know the language. They refuse
    to learn it in your worlds.

    I was using your word. Are you having trouble remembering what you`ve written? Ranting can do that to you.

    Both of you seethe hatred toward people you nothing about.

    Are you as raving as you`re pretending to be, or just lying because you know you`re wrong and all you have is slander?

    sinister refusal to learn English to you two.

    Feel free to point out where I said it was sinister.

    Free clue - I didn`t. I just said, correctly, that your statement "Nobody is refusing to learn English." was not true. Many people are refusing to learn English, so many that English is a minority language in some parts of the USA.

    You`re making stuff up and you`re not happy when that`s pointed out.
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    Angilion Male 40-49
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    July 29, 2010 at 6:19 pm
    Hey madest, are you going to insult me in the same way as well?

    I`d have a laugh ridiculing you in detail for spewing such ignorant twaddle, so feel free to do it.
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    Angilion Male 40-49
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    July 29, 2010 at 6:25 pm
    You might also like to consider how different CrakrJak and I are in political terms. We disagree on pretty much everything. I`m so far left of him that we`d need satnav to find each other. I vote liberal. That`s UK liberal, a party which he`d probably see as half a step short of communist.
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    CrakrJak Male 40-49
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    July 29, 2010 at 10:51 pm
    Angilion: Yup, That`s within the wheelhouse of Bolshevism. Just Kidding :-)
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    mithraela Female 18-29
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    July 30, 2010 at 6:03 am
    Unless you are Native American, you are an immigrant. The United States was founded on principles where immigrants could find a place to thrive. A nation of immigrants that hates immigrants is one that has traveled far from its roots. The immigration problem here in America is not racial, it is legal. Now, if we could get people to understand this we might be able to solve the issue, itself, without tearing our nation apart in the process.
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    geezSarah Female 18-29
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    August 1, 2010 at 12:10 am
    "Unless you are Native American, you are an immigrant"

    Unless your ancestors were Africans dragged here as slaves. :] just sayin.
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    Homegrown71 Male 18-29
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    August 5, 2010 at 7:55 pm
    Hey she`s got it slightly right...only by her logic shouldn`t she go back to spain?
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    maniaman88 Male 18-29
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    August 9, 2010 at 9:16 pm
    @mithraela

    Descendents of immigrants are not themselves immigrants. They are natives. And native Americans aren`t any more native to America than descendants of Visigoths are to Europe. Cultural history is based on migration, both passive and aggressive, legal and illegal.

    But you`re right, race isn`t the issue. It`s not a color war, it`s a turf war. California is U.S. property since the Mexican-American War. That means that U.S. citizens are allowed to live there and Mexican citizens can`t without going through the propper legal channels. It`s the law, and it`s a fair one. The only real problem with it is enforcement, and what Arizona did was enforce pre-existing federal law with specific state legislation.

    Unrelated, if the`s so anti-European, shouldn`t they be wearing a sombrero or some other Mexican hat instead of a beret?
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    DeRob Male 18-29
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    August 16, 2010 at 10:53 am
    California is U.S. property since the Mexican-American War. That means that U.S. citizens are allowed to live there and Mexican citizens can`t without going through the propper legal channels.

    lol. apparently, they can.
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    a1butcher Male 40-49
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    September 4, 2010 at 9:29 pm
    I must say... that is a Kick Ass camera she has there.
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