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95 Responses to Female Mice Can Be Go Lesbian By Deleting Gene

  1. Profile photo of Matwix_2004
    Matwix_2004 Male 18-29
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    July 13, 2010 at 11:26 am
    Link: Female Mice Can Be Go Lesbian By Deleting Gene - Your move, anti-gay protesters
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    Geogypsy Female 18-29
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    July 13, 2010 at 3:10 pm
    I read about this on Science Daily. Fascinating discovery!
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    LexiLeet Female 18-29
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    July 13, 2010 at 3:15 pm
    How do you think the mice feel, missing a gene? :s
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    museike Male 18-29
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    July 13, 2010 at 3:15 pm
    "can be go" LOL
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    goaliejerry Male 30-39
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    July 13, 2010 at 3:17 pm
    Pssssh, science! What do scientists know??? Stupid LIBERALS
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    goaliejerry Male 30-39
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    July 13, 2010 at 3:19 pm
    "Researchers found that disabling the FucM gene..."

    THE f*ck`em GENE????? AWESOME
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    marcus2 Male 13-17
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    July 13, 2010 at 3:19 pm
    "Female Mice Can Be Go Lesbian By Deleting Gene"

    wait, what?
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    Fuego Male 40-49
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    July 13, 2010 at 3:24 pm
    goaliejerry beat me to the punch. a winner is u

    ahahahahaha FucM
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    OrangeCrow Female 18-29
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    July 13, 2010 at 3:25 pm
    FucM Gene matches this a little too well. o_o
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    minitimm Male 18-29
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    July 13, 2010 at 3:29 pm
    How is it natural if you remove a gene? What do you say to that?
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    cobrakiller Male 18-29
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    July 13, 2010 at 3:33 pm
    the only problem is that anti-gay activists will try to "cure" homosexuals.
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    Plague555 Male 18-29
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    July 13, 2010 at 3:37 pm
    the f*ck men gene? wait what?
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    goaliejerry Male 30-39
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    July 13, 2010 at 3:41 pm
    "the only problem is that anti-gay activists will try to "cure" homosexuals."

    You know, despite my full and complete support for gay-rights, if science could tell me my unborn child would definitely be homosexual, and they could definitely do gene-replacement therapy with the result of producing a non-homosexual child,

    I
    Probably
    Would
    Do
    It.

    But damn, all sorts of philosophical problems here. If its gene based, it refutes the Christianist`s contention that homosexuality is a choice (which is necessary to justify their religion-based condemnation of the "choice"), but then if its gene based AND can be "fixed," then homosexuals are somehow "defective" or "abnormal." Hmmmmmmmm.

    Minitimm - you have a point - now researchers need to see if there are ever naturally produced mice who lack this gene...
  14. Profile photo of green_batman
    green_batman Female 18-29
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    July 13, 2010 at 3:43 pm
    goaliejerry: If it`s genetic, it isn`t a defect, it is a variation.
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    Siyanor Male 18-29
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    July 13, 2010 at 3:48 pm
    mini, you don`t believe in evolution? Because that`s what you just said.
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    cobrakiller Male 18-29
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    July 13, 2010 at 3:52 pm
    goaliejerry, i believe its wrong in general to alter the genes of an unborn being, except in the case of preventing certain disorders. When it comes down too it, altering genes can come with the result of a choice of hair color, height, eye color, metabolism, body hair, etc. and we should really not be messing with nature.
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    madest Male 40-49
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    July 13, 2010 at 4:03 pm
    It`s a stretch to assume that people would push for homosexuals to be "cured" but if the option were there they could probably change back if the flavor didn`t fit. Can almost envision a future where gay is the new goth and switches could be made by taking a pill. That could make for some interesting weekends.
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    TxP Female 70 & Over
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    July 13, 2010 at 4:07 pm
    though this is exciting news, they said it does not relate back to humans so maybe we shouldnt start a war over this one guys :S
    but its really cool that they can do that with the female mice, i think i remember in my sociology class learning about how hormones in males can be altered in a pregnant woman but it had no effect on females so that was kind of a cramp in the genetics argument for lesbians, though i certainly feel its genetic for most (i have seen others just swap teams before lol)
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    goaliejerry Male 30-39
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    July 13, 2010 at 4:07 pm
    "goaliejerry: If it`s genetic, it isn`t a defect, it is a variation."

    Thats fair, although in evolutionary terms, homosexuality apparently does nothing except reduce the ability of a species to propagate (they won`t produce offspring), so at the least its a useless variation, and arguably harmful to the survival of the species, unlike, say, eye color (which seems more neutral).

    I`ve read arguments on the one hand that if homosexuality is genetic, then we wouldn`t have homosexuals because it would have been bred out of the gene pool - they don`t mate with the opposite sex. Makes sense. But on the other hand, we all know stories of the closeted homosexual who reproduces despite not being attracted to members of the opposite sex.

    Cobrakiller - designer babies are the slippery slope, but there is some sort of line - I mean, if we could correct down syndrome in utero, we would. What counts as "bad" genes? Dangerous question, you`re right.
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    pizzaroll Male 18-29
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    July 13, 2010 at 4:11 pm
    Wait... I don`t see how this is ground breaking research. Cutting the amount of estrogen in any species is going to change the sex drive of the female. Just like cutting a man off from testosterone will do the same thing.
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    Jazzycakes Male 18-29
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    July 13, 2010 at 4:14 pm
    if lesbians and gays have missing genes that must mean straight people are superior! loljks
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    jimbobsthebe Male 18-29
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    July 13, 2010 at 4:25 pm
    OK I stopped reading at `disabled the "FucM" gene` and then realised it was the Telegraph.
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    NotTHATbored Female 18-29
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    July 13, 2010 at 4:30 pm
    Yeah I question the legitimacy of this article.
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    Dr_Sexy Male 30-39
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    July 13, 2010 at 4:33 pm
    where can we find these GO-lesbians?!
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    Siyanor Male 18-29
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    July 13, 2010 at 4:44 pm
    pizza, it`s not actually groundbreaking research, it`s just that the same type of research is being done at the same time... so by the time it`s published, someone else may have done something similar. Which is the case here.

    jim... Telegraph =/= Onion. Telegraph is real news.
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    Rick_S Male 40-49
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    July 13, 2010 at 4:48 pm
    The FucM gene? It`s all over the interent, but only in relation to this research. I wonder if it`s real or not.
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    cobrakiller Male 18-29
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    July 13, 2010 at 4:53 pm
    TxP, this particular case does not relate to humans because we have yet to find a "gay" gene within ourselves. but, as we further our knowledge of our genome and ways to change it, we get closer to the day when we will try to alter it. thats when it becomes something important to talk about, and there will be a political war over it.

    pizzaroll, changing estrogen or testosterone levels can change your sex drive, but it does not however change which gender you try to mate with as this experiment did to these mice.
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    Siyanor Male 18-29
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    July 13, 2010 at 4:54 pm
    Rick, the enzyme wouldn`t have a name if researchers didn`t know what it does. The researches that did this study probably named it themselves.
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    SillyBella Female 18-29
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    July 13, 2010 at 5:02 pm
    I have this horrible feeling that if they find something like this in humans that someone is gonna try to come up with a "cure" and they might succeed. It would be like X-Men 3 all over again...bad example sorry...The name of the gene in this is pretty funny though.
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    Fatninja01 Male 30-39
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    July 13, 2010 at 5:12 pm
    riiiggghhhttt! a advance in science maybe?
  31. Profile photo of SuperSmash
    SuperSmash Male 18-29
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    July 13, 2010 at 5:25 pm
    This story has been around for years.

    It`s not a choice to want to have sex with someone of the same gender, but it`s a choice to actually do it.

    Not comparing the two, or making a judgement, but it is just illogical to say that because something is natural it is right. Pedophiles don`t choose to be attracted to children. Again, not comparing at all in any way, just pointing out that b/c something is natural doesn`t automatically make it right.

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    pizzaroll Male 18-29
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    July 13, 2010 at 5:31 pm
    @cobrakiller, I see. Thanks for clarifying that for me.
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    TheSharpest Male 18-29
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    July 13, 2010 at 5:33 pm
    Linky to the paper. I know, "TL,DR" but a least check out the abstract. The reason you don`t find the enzyme or gene all over the web is because it`s relatively new to researchers, hence the gene knockout research.
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    badname_001 Female 18-29
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    July 13, 2010 at 5:46 pm
    "it is just illogical to say that because something is natural it is right. Pedophiles don`t choose to be attracted to children. Again, not comparing at all in any way, just pointing out that b/c something is natural doesn`t automatically make it right. "

    It`s illogical to compare being born gay to pedophillia, which has several known causes; none of which you are born with.

    Your points are all either weak or invalid.
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    a1butcher Male 40-49
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    July 13, 2010 at 5:59 pm
    The "fucM gene"

    Nobody smells a hoax here except me?

    Maybe I`ll just wait this out for a few days when more information comes out to discredit the "fucM gene"

    Cause "if you see em" on the net, it must be fact?
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    dramaeco Male 18-29
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    July 13, 2010 at 6:07 pm
    Alright, I`m not taking sides on this issue, but being as I have NO knowledge of genetics; Does this whole article sound fishy? Is that the actual name of a gene? Does anyone have another source on this?
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    dramaeco Male 18-29
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    July 13, 2010 at 6:07 pm
    ah, a1butcher beat me to it.
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    Earl_Grey Female 18-29
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    July 13, 2010 at 6:09 pm
    "this particular case does not relate to humans because we have yet to find a "gay" gene within ourselves."

    I`m pretty sure in Religulous, Bill interviews a guy who said that he discovered the "gay" gene... It was like a very small part that came on after someone else said that there was no gay gene. Can`t remember the guy`s name though...
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    dramaeco Male 18-29
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    July 13, 2010 at 6:12 pm
    And for the record, I think this would be a terrible thing to find out for gays. It would basically be saying, it`s okay that you`re gay, it`s because you were deformed at birth; That being gay is a defect.
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    apeirophobia Female 18-29
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    July 13, 2010 at 6:14 pm
    Major verb fail here.
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    Siyanor Male 18-29
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    July 13, 2010 at 6:17 pm
    lawl badname. You fail at psychology.

    Diathesis-stress.
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    a1butcher Male 40-49
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    July 13, 2010 at 6:18 pm
    Here`s an idea, why don`t we go back to the future, say... July 05/10 and see what happens.

    Oh yea... that.
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    Siyanor Male 18-29
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    July 13, 2010 at 6:20 pm
    dramaeco, you just said all humans are defective, because homo sapiens arose from a gene mutation in an ancestor.
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    ElSombrero Male 13-17
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    July 13, 2010 at 6:31 pm
    According to certain studies, no one person is 100% homo or hetero sexual. Just different levels.
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    SuperSmash Male 18-29
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    July 13, 2010 at 6:34 pm
    So, they are saying homosexuality is genetic? How does that work? Kinda joking, just a funny thought.

    With more and more people being unafraid to live a homosexual lifestyle, there will be less chance of the genetic variation that can lead to homosexuality being passed on by a person living a straight lifestyle only because they were afraid to be who they truly are.

    I know some "expert" will tell me I`m wrong. My statement is completely unscientific and I made it up.
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    SuperSmash Male 18-29
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    July 13, 2010 at 6:35 pm
    ElSombrero, alomst everything about us is on a continuum. No one is truly right-handed or left-handed.
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    cobrakiller Male 18-29
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    July 13, 2010 at 6:42 pm
    earl grey, there is a gene dubbed the "gay gene" but it has yet to go through thorough testing, nor has it really been found to in anyway affect a persons sexual orientation.
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    Flashpacker Male 18-29
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    July 13, 2010 at 7:27 pm
    hehe. the FucM gene.
    FucM = Fu*k`em, right?
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    5Cats Male 50-59
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    July 13, 2010 at 8:31 pm
    From the article:
    "The mutant female mouse underwent a slightly altered developmental programme in the brain to resemble the male brain in terms of sexual preference."
    Soooo
    It actually turned the female mice into transgendered mice who thought they were males but were trapped in a female body.

    No word on if they got little mousie sex changes...
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    peloos12 Male 18-29
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    July 13, 2010 at 8:41 pm
    "It actually turned the female mice into transgendered mice who thought they were males but were trapped in a female body."

    That`s pretty black and white. Mice also don`t have the ability to learn otherwise. They run entirely on instinct (they learn some things, of course, but they are obviously incapable of learning the true differences between male and female). If something similar is happening to humans (and it`s becoming clearer and clearer all the time that is the case) then they`re essentially the same thing -- a male who is hardwired to work like a female or vice versa. The difference being they have a brain to understand that it`s not "right".

    Your subconscious beats your conscious every time.
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    agamemnon Male 18-29
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    July 13, 2010 at 8:44 pm
    > hehe. the FucM gene.
    > FucM = Fu*k`em, right?

    I think it`s short for Fu*k Men. ;-]
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    peloos12 Male 18-29
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    July 13, 2010 at 8:50 pm
    "And for the record, I think this would be a terrible thing to find out for gays. It would basically be saying, it`s okay that you`re gay, it`s because you were deformed at birth; That being gay is a defect."

    If being gay isn`t an abnormality and it`s not a choice, what is it? The entire point of attraction is to reproduce. You cannot do that with two people of the same sex. Therefore they have a defect. Are they wrong? No. Are they bad people? No. Is it a part of nature and therefore "right" on the large scale? Yes. But it also strays from the blueprint. It sucks that there are only negative terms to describe this, but it is what it is. If a sperm tried to enter another sperm instead of an egg, would you consider that sperm to be defective? Everybody is born with some sort of trait that "strays from the blueprint". Most people also embrace these things while still considering them as such. I don`t know why we can`t do the same with homosexuality.
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    kittehdee29 Female 18-29
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    July 13, 2010 at 9:15 pm
    Actually, FucM is short for fucose mutarotase. The article is less than a page long, you`d know this if you`d read it.

    Also @peloos12, I totally agree that there are no positive phrases to use. It`s also so unfortunate that there are such narrow minded, ignorant people in the world on on this forum.
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    green_batman Female 18-29
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    July 13, 2010 at 9:34 pm
    goaliejerry: Actually, it is beneficial to have a certain percentage of the population not reproducing, but still adding to society. As we are social animals by nature, this setup is possible, because we all contribute to society in some form or another.

    It is possible that homosexuality is caused by complex gene interactions, or by additive genes. In fact, the latter makes quite a lot of sense given that male homosexuals tend to be hypo- or hyper-masculine. Maybe our genes are balanced so that, most of the time, a male child receives a moderate amount of a certain gene, but sometimes receives too little or too much. There is also some evidence that the prenatal environment has an impact on the masculine characteristics of the child, sometimes leading to boys who are more feminized than they might have been genetically.
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    green_batman Female 18-29
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    July 13, 2010 at 9:39 pm
    peloos12: You are making the naturalistic fallacy. Something being `natural` doesn`t mean it`s `right` or `good`. Just because sexual attraction is a reproductive adaptation, doesn`t mean that there`s anything wrong with it being applied in non-reproductive circumstances. Humans have sex for reasons besides reproduction. There`s nothing inherently wrong with it.

    And a difference is, as I mentioned earlier, a variation. If it were a defect, it is very likely that the trait would cease to appear in the population. Homosexuality occurs even in the children of heterosexuals, so it is simply a variation that appears in the population from time to time. And I explained in my previous post that it is good to have some non-reproductive individuals in the community.
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    MEZA Male 18-29
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    July 13, 2010 at 9:58 pm
    They psychologically turn them into transvestites
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    SuperSmash Male 18-29
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    July 13, 2010 at 9:59 pm
    Population control?
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    ElDavo Male 18-29
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    July 13, 2010 at 10:04 pm
    Holy wall-of-text!
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    SuperSmash Male 18-29
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    July 13, 2010 at 10:08 pm
    It may sound crazy, but maybe homosexuality is a form of population control. There`s a species of some undersea creature (not a tiny one, but like a shrimp or even a fish, I just can`t remember) that can change sex when needed. So, I guess that could mean species think about the well-being of the overall species, not just themselves and relations. Well, actually at some point we are all related. Anyway, what if over time we`ve developed a gene that causes certain members of the species to have no desire to mate, thus reducing, or at least slowing the growth of, the population.

    Just a guess.
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    Nidonemo Male 18-29
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    July 13, 2010 at 10:16 pm
    Wait...I`m confused, I thought estrogen was what made women womanlike and it was testosterone that was what made men manlike.
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    jendrian Male 18-29
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    July 13, 2010 at 10:19 pm
    that`s really cool, I`ve always thought there`s a genetic thing behind any preference (including sexual), it`d be nice to find some willing volunteers but I see the continuation of this study a rather difficult one
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    mrpuddle Male 18-29
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    July 13, 2010 at 10:50 pm
    No one got it? really? the FucM gene? F.U.C.`EM GENE? Really? Just me? OK.
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    Siyanor Male 18-29
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    July 13, 2010 at 11:18 pm
    Nido - In humans, yes. These are mice.
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    jib Male 18-29
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    July 13, 2010 at 11:37 pm
    @SuperSmash
    Yeah, and with many other animals, if the population gets to high within the habitat they start killing each other off. Maybe that explains the natural tendency of war?
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    I-IS-BORED Male 18-29
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    July 13, 2010 at 11:38 pm
    @SuperSmash
    then at this point there would be many more gays/lesbians
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    mandingo3519 Male 30-39
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    July 13, 2010 at 11:51 pm
    i feel better now knowing i am not the only one to notice it is the F**k em gene lol are we sure this is not just a joke???
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    Linkenberger Male 18-29
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    July 14, 2010 at 12:36 am
    In other news, scientists have discovered that by deleting the gene in mice that causes them to be happy, they caused the affected mice to become very sad. No news on whether or not this works on humans.

    Back to you, Jim.
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    sender02 Male 18-29
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    July 14, 2010 at 12:59 am
    not exactly good news for gays. Now instead of claiming that being gay is a choice, people will be trying to "treat" or "cure" them. That prospect should go over swimmingly.
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    MrPointless Male 18-29
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    July 14, 2010 at 1:17 am
    I love this link just because of the caption ^^
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    TKD_Master Male 18-29
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    July 14, 2010 at 1:47 am
    I want a lesbouse. Actually, I want two of them.
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    mal_BB Male 18-29
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    July 14, 2010 at 2:39 am
    FucM gene? Lol at that, but seriously, this is impressive research.
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    OrangeCrow Female 18-29
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    July 14, 2010 at 3:09 am
    FucM Gene matches this a little too well. o_o
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    Wiggle1111 Male 18-29
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    July 14, 2010 at 4:15 am
    Its the Telegraph. So no, its not a joke. Its as real as homosexuality is a sin*

    *sarcasm
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    frajola Female 18-29
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    July 14, 2010 at 4:51 am
    I went looking for the fake news header when I saw the FucM gene
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    FLCL_Reaper Female 18-29
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    July 14, 2010 at 4:55 am
    YEAH, WHO NEEDS MEN!!!
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    donjobs Male 18-29
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    July 14, 2010 at 5:56 am
    i sharted
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    crabcake Female 30-39
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    July 14, 2010 at 6:38 am
    replace w/ fudgeM-All gene for bisexual mice.
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    videogamer Male 18-29
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    July 14, 2010 at 6:39 am
    "FucM Gene matches this a little too well. o_o"

    Yeah, I`m seeing reason to doubt the validity of this story.
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    Gerry1of1 Male 50-59
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    July 14, 2010 at 7:03 am
    "disabling the FucM gene" ? ? ?

    this has to be a joke...right? the FucM gene?

    LOL good one.
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    B3N0C1D3 Male 18-29
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    July 14, 2010 at 7:15 am
    @FLCL_Reaper
    Every species that doesn`t asexually reproduce.
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    meepmaker Male 30-39
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    July 14, 2010 at 7:37 am
    I guess the pet store will sell gay mice now.
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    RoboPatton Male 30-39
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    July 14, 2010 at 10:36 am
    So, can I delete my wifes gene, so I can finally convince her to visit taco town?
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    TokioKoos Female 18-29
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    July 14, 2010 at 12:38 pm
    > So, can I delete my wifes gene, so I can finally convince her to visit taco town?

    I don`t know if she is still sleeping with you now (you seem rather crude) but keep in mind if you do that, she will never sleep with you again.
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    Weakmonkey Male 18-29
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    July 14, 2010 at 12:48 pm
    FucM gene? Next, theyll discover that disabling the FucMe gene in males causes them to be gay!

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    OmgZelda Female 18-29
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    July 14, 2010 at 1:20 pm
    FucM gene? Is this an Onion article? )-|
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    SuperSmash Male 18-29
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    July 14, 2010 at 1:57 pm
    I was wondering why scientists have been actively seeking a genetic link to homosexuality, as the article states. If a scientist is actively seeking any result, then the results must be brought into question.
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    Matwix_2004 Male 18-29
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    July 14, 2010 at 2:15 pm
    SuperSmash - if they`re activly seeking a result, it doesn`t mean that they are activly seeking for a sepcific result, which would bring the results into question. They were activly looking for a link between genes, and sexuality, therefore, they were activly looking for a result in the tests they were doing.
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    green_batman Female 18-29
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    July 14, 2010 at 3:41 pm
    SuperSmash: The results of any trial of this sort should be questioned until they are tested and retested extensively. Unfortunately, it is difficult to find grant money to redo an experiment as extra support for it, so it is uncommon for it to happen.

    However, pursuing a hypothesis does not automatically make the results biased. If you ever did a science fair project in grade school, you probably remember stating a hypothesis and then seeing whether or not it was supported. While some people may fudge their data for some petty reason, good scientists don`t and can`t because they are peer reviewed.
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    moefreak Female 18-29
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    July 14, 2010 at 5:38 pm
    Very interesting. Obviously not directly applicable to humans, but quite suggestive.

    And no, supersmash. As a few others have said, you always start out an experiment by formulating a hypothesis. You don`t just start randomly trying things to see if anything comes out of it.
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    defiythelie Male 18-29
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    July 14, 2010 at 9:39 pm
    SuperSmash
    You obviously do not under stand how science works. First a scientist creates a hypothesis, and then sets up experiments to see if that hypothesis is correct. If sciencetist did not do this all they would be doing is randomly messing with stuff to see what the result would be, and that would not get us very far. This is how every experiment is played out, and just because a scientist goes into an experiment with an educated guess as to the out come does not corrupt the data or out come unless its some crooked unknown scientist doing it. In every other case every thing is peer reviewed and checked again and again by many others.
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    malikymoo Female 18-29
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    July 15, 2010 at 5:33 am
    `it may be "very difficult" to find willing volunteers for humans` no poo.
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    mischeif954 Male 18-29
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    July 15, 2010 at 7:59 am
    Whats the link between this and anti-gay protesters?
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    Matwix_2004 Male 18-29
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    July 19, 2010 at 2:27 am
    mischeif954 - they say that being gay is a choice. This proves that it`s genetic.
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    Maps Male 18-29
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    August 15, 2010 at 6:44 am
    It doesn`t "prove" anything, Matwix. Only someone completely unfamiliar with genetics, psychology, and neuroscience would take a five paragraph long article obviously written for an audience of laymen, and with the disclaimer "While oestrogen masculinises the brain in mice, it does not have the same effect on humans", and have the arrogance to use the word "proves" so flippantly. In all likelihood homosexuality is influenced by both genetics and environment.
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    Matwix_2004 Male 18-29
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    July 20, 2011 at 12:55 am
    Maps - Yes, you are right, I was being a little flippant with the word proves, but genetically we are fairly close to mice, which is why they are often tested on before whatever it is is released to the public. But I meant that if there is a gene in mice that makes them straight or gay, then there is a good chance there is one in humans, and all animals. Just because I didn`t explicitly state it doesn`t mean it wasn`t intended in the argument I was making.

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