Are You Glad For Modern Medicine? [Pic]

Submitted by: littlemissqt 6 years ago in Science

Oh you know this treatment sucks!
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Male 3
why... would someone do this?
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Male 83
@Angilion

"that doesn`t constitute compelling evidence in my mind."

so its just not rigorous enough for you?

"That`s a ridiculous statement."

why? I refer to practitioners of Chinese medicine who use a broad range of healing techniques, including cupping. They diagnose the patient, and if they feel cupping is beneficial for the treatment they will suggest it to them. (which is why I refer to the fact they wouldn`t use it if it didn`t work)

What I would like to know Angillon, is why don`t you believe cupping works? is it because you don`t believe anything or anyone unless there has been a controlled and rigorous scientific test to prove it. Are all the positive testimonials about cupping false? Did KellsBells fabricate her story below about acupuncture?
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Male 12,365
[quote]So, With this information and my own questioning, I can come to my own rational conclusion on why I believe cupping does in fact works[/quote]

A study of 15 people who believed that cupping would reduce their pain, a study that wasn`t even single-blind let alone double-blind, a study without a control group...that doesn`t constitute compelling evidence in my mind.

Incidentally, the study you linked to *was* using blood-letting.

[quote]Cupping has been used for thousands of years for various types of ailments, and practitioners certainly wouldn`t use it on their patients if it didn`t give positive results.[/quote]

That`s a ridiculous statement. Of course they would if they had faith in it or for profit, or both. By your argument, anything that anyone says is effective is effective. They certainly wouldn`t use it on anyone if it wasn`t, right? All the ads on the net are right, etc.
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Female 316
In my case: Modern Medicine = EPIC FAIL.
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Female 316
"This is new age alternative bullcrap. Modern medicine is proven to be more effective than a placebo. This isn`t."

Well, after several years and several thousands of dollars on modern medicine (Johns Hopkins Neurology, MRI`s, CAT Scans, designer medicines, standard medicines, sleep studies, etc.), modern medicine didn`t do a thing for my migraines. In fact, thanks to all the meds they had me on, I was sicker than before and almost lost my job.

ONE acupuncture treatment and my migraines went from unbearable (stuck in a dark room, in severe pain, dizzy and vomitting) to manageable (with sunglasses on and the fluorescent lights off, I could go to work). After two weeks of treatments the frequency went from 3-4 times per week to once a month. After a couple years of "tune-up" treatments (about one every 6 months), I am down to about 6 manageable migraines a year. Keep in mind I started out with 3-4 horrible ones per week.

In my case: Mo
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Male 83
@Angilion

Yes, you`re right. However cupping is still widely used today, whereas bloodletting is not

My point is, I cannot automatically believe or disbelieve something just because I don`t understand how it works, I am open minded, so I research it instead. As there is a limited amount of scientific study for cupping, I can only go on whatever data and information I can find:

1. The length of time cupping has been practised, over 3500 years

2. I consider the fact it`s still used today, even though modern medicine is available for the same ailments

3. I read peoples anecdotal evidence to give me feedback on how the treatment effected them

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Male 83
...cont

4. I look for any scientific study I can about cupping

study 1
Study 2

So, With this information and my own questioning, I can come to my own rational conclusion on why I believe cupping does in fact works
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Female 30
Hmn, well this was a "shock!"
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Male 12,365
[quote]Actually kiwigirl you`ll find that leeches are used in modern medicine today, with scientific research concluding that leeches are useful in surgery. They are often used in plastic and reconstructive surgery, due to a natural anticoagulant they secrete which fights blood clots and restores proper blood flow to inflamed parts of the body.[/quote]

Which in no way validates the ancient idea that bloodletting is an effective form of treatment. That`s why they used leeches in the past - to suck out the "excess" blood and thereby reduce the sanguine humour.

The idea of balancing humours is also ancient. People also believed it worked. There was also no evidence that it worked for anything. So it`s just like this.
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Male 928
This is new age alternative bullcrap. Modern medicine is proven to be more effective than a placebo. This isn`t.
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Male 1,815
Modern medicine?
This bogus treatment has been around forever
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Female 265
My boyfriend does this whenever he gets a cold. He calls them "giant nipples" and insists that they do wonders XD
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Female 5,222
[email protected] pump XD
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Male 37
I don`t know what people are talking about when they say that it feels good o.O Those glass cups are held over an open flame before being applied, so they do burn you...
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Female 293
LOL @ the old fashiond pu$$y sucker, or is it the old fashioned peenor pump?
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Male 1,299
SumRandom1 is right. It doesn`t really hurt and the poo that it pulls out is... weird.
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Male 794
this does not hurt at all, it actually feels really nice, and then when you take it off it makes a *Pop* sound and leaves you with big black and blues like you were attacked by a giant octopus
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Male 558
@ anticool, that`s the point, they are saying "this treatment looks like it sucks, aren`t you glad we have more modern practices now?" myself, I think it`s just fine. either way, not exactly lulz...
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Male 6,694
I guess you would feel better when those things were finally off. Whew. That smarts.
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Male 39
Cupping is fabulous!
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Female 149
*reads all the comments*


Sigh.
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Male 2,850
@Sam1002

Lots of things have been going for thousands of years. Religion, for example.

If lots of people do something stupid for a long time, it`s not any less stupid.

Anecdotal evidence is not evidence at all.
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Female 430
This treatment is not modern it`s used from thousend of years...
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Male 83
Actually kiwigirl you`ll find that leeches are used in modern medicine today, with scientific research concluding that leeches are useful in surgery. They are often used in plastic and reconstructive surgery, due to a natural anticoagulant they secrete which fights blood clots and restores proper blood flow to inflamed parts of the body.
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Male 1,043
I think he`s about to poo himself
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Male 83
Squeakers, I didn`t conclude that this works because "everyone else is doing it" My conclusion arises based on the length of time this practice has been going on for, and the fact that it`s still used today. Cupping has been used for thousands of years for various types of ailments, and practitioners certainly wouldn`t use it on their patients if it didn`t give positive results.

I don`t automatically disbelieve something just because there haven`t been enough clinical studies to "prove" that it works. I`m sure that after a thousand or so years there`s plenty of Anecdotal evidence to support the fact that cupping works.

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Female 1,048
What`s next - leeches and "balancing the humours" with bleeding?
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Male 21
sam1002

Provide the clinical studies to back up your case because "everyone else is doing it" isnt a valid reason to support anything.
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Male 147
...I`m not sure I quite understand wtf is going on here.
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Male 83
"I think the point is that we should be glad of modern medicine because without it we`d be stuck with ineffective stuff like this (and many of us would die earlier as a result)."

@Angilion- How did you come to the conclusion that cupping is ineffective when this treatment has been used by the Chinese for over 3500 years?
Obviously if it didn`t work, no-one would use it.

Just because you have a lack of understanding for alternative medicine doesn`t mean it automatically becomes "ineffective"
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Male 91
actually, this is a part of modern medicine...even though its old its still practiced today.
Fire Cupping Wiki
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Male 877
the auld `bollock jars`...best corporal punishment for kids...
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Female 673
...It worked fine in The Karate Kid.
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Male 105
I believe that`s just how asians fall asleep...
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Male 2,893
That looks like it hurts.
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Male 83
ah yes.. the infamous hickey-maker kit.
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Female 1,593
Supposedly cupping is very therapeutic. I`d like to try it after I have my baby.
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Male 30
@Kanashto. Agreed.
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Female 326
It`s called the Ventosa Cupping Massage.
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Male 37,826
vv Kaagan really means:



Stegosaurus
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Female 1,963
This does nothing that a good placebo won`t do.
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Male 15
It stretches the fascia, the connective tissue that surrounds everything in the body.
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Male 1,627
he`s a triceratops
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Male 497
some people here don`t know something
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Male 3,431
That crap does nothing but give you a bruise.
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Male 105
Modern because light bulbs plugged into spine = cyborg
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Female 477
i hear jessica simpson does this...
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Male 12,365
[quote]before talking to much trash, look at the average lifespan in china, and japan.
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Excellent for Japan, mediocre for China. Diet is probably the biggest factor in Japan.

Are you seriously suggesting that sucking hard in order to bruise flesh is an effective medical treatment?
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Male 154
what is he doing?
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Male 53
that reminds me something: The day the Microsoft presents something that doesn`t suck will be the day they make a vacuum cleaner.
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Female 92
This works amazing though. Once you get past the shock of it.. it really helps your pain. xD
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Female 290
Probably works better though. :)
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Male 730
Damn body modders. Gettin` the children now too.. Haha ;)
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Male 5,194
Poor kid. Damned idiot snake oil hoodoo man pretending to be a doctor.
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Male 384
before talking to much trash, look at the average lifespan in china, and japan.

oh, and who here has had allergy shots? i`d take the above treatment over an allergy test, much less the shots.
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Male 12,365
[quote]Now now, let`s not generalise the entirety of modern medicine around one iffy treatment.[/quote]

[quote]...not modern...[/quote]

I think the point is that we should be glad of modern medicine because without it we`d be stuck with ineffective stuff like this (and many of us would die earlier as a result).
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Male 12,365
[quote]it works to loosen adhesions in muscles.[/quote]

Can you explain what you think that medical condition is?

May as well eat sugared fish to balance your humours. That sort of idea is just as old, so by the usual "reasoning" it should be just as "effective" (i.e. not at all).
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Female 2,352
That looks mighty painful and they aren`t even lighting up.
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Female 3,828
ugh
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Male 21
...not modern...
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Male 503
sneaky pun
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Male 38,501
Pussy couldn`t keep the 8th one on.
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Male 25,416
Thats just dumb!
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Male 886
wtf?
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Male 2,159
Now now, let`s not generalise the entirety of modern medicine around one iffy treatment.
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Female 98
HAH! Sucks! xD
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Male 136
I always thought the pain powered lightbulbs gave you the best value for you buck, myself.
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Male 32
That`s called cupping (for obvious reasons). It looks weird, and leaves a hella huge hicky but it works to loosen adhesions in muscles.
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Female 1,338
Link: Are You Glad For Modern Medicine? [Pic] [Rate Link] - Oh you know this treatment sucks!
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