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131 Responses to Utah Firing Squad Kills Murderer Ronnie L. Gardner

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    davymid Male 30-39
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    June 18, 2010 at 7:19 am
    Link: Utah Firing Squad Kills Murderer Ronnie L. Gardner - The US has carried out its first execution by firing squad in 14 years. It`s 2010, people are still going firing squad?
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    Norris Male 18-29
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    June 18, 2010 at 8:13 am
    Needs to happen more often IMO.
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    fnkychkn Female 40-49
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    June 18, 2010 at 8:15 am
    "It`s 2010, people are still going firing squad?"
    It`s what he chose, idiot. He figured since he shot his victims it was a fittting way to die.
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    radioprod Male 13-17
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    June 18, 2010 at 8:16 am
    I read about this article a while back, it was his choice to be executed this way. There are still a few states who offer the choice, but very few people take it, so it`s understandable that it made the news.
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    Oystah Female 40-49
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    June 18, 2010 at 8:16 am
    A particular Bon Jovi song plays in my head when I see this story.
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    Salted_Eggs Male 18-29
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    June 18, 2010 at 8:24 am
    "We don`t know what to do with them so we`ll let God decide."

    Anyone else see the flaw in this thinking?
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    kitka_1994 Male 13-17
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    June 18, 2010 at 8:25 am
    Didnt he want it that way?
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    handeman77 Male 40-49
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    June 18, 2010 at 8:25 am
    GOOD!
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    Tinkerbellio Female 18-29
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    June 18, 2010 at 8:26 am
    "A particular Bon Jovi song plays in my head when I see this story"

    Please Come Home For Christmas? Or...
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    Norris Male 18-29
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    June 18, 2010 at 8:26 am
    My only complaint with this is that it took 25 years to do it.

    Convicted of killing two people should die that afternoon, same goes for drug dealers and child molesters.
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    ohplease Male 50-59
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    June 18, 2010 at 8:29 am
    ...."a five-man firing squad of police officer volunteers" and Dick Cheney..........
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    PopsySoku Female 18-29
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    June 18, 2010 at 8:32 am
    Yes, he choose his method of death
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    MonoBrow Male 18-29
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    June 18, 2010 at 8:42 am
    I would have picked the "Tickled to death by a squad of hot 18 year old girls" option...
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    RockWell Male 18-29
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    June 18, 2010 at 8:43 am
    @ Norris,

    Killing them that afternoon would be great in theory, except for the whole fact that innocent people are sometimes wrongly convicted and they deserve the right to go through the legal process to make sure.... it took 25 years to make sure.... and if he is guilty, I would rather he have to suffer for 25 years thinking about his death, than to get off easy and die that very day.
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    premierwondr Male 18-29
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    June 18, 2010 at 9:02 am
    really norris, drug dealers belong in the category with murderers and child molesters?
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    boNeymiZz Male 18-29
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    June 18, 2010 at 9:06 am
    americans are fkn stupid
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    Gluggr Male 18-29
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    June 18, 2010 at 9:09 am
    Capital punishment: Keeping the States safe. Oh, wait...
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    lostinkorea Female 30-39
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    June 18, 2010 at 9:10 am
    I say YAY on using a firing squad. I would use something a little slower and more painful on people that bring harm to children and innocent people. MUCH MUCH SLOWER and GRUESOME....
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    Unborn_Son Male 18-29
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    June 18, 2010 at 9:11 am
    Rockwell. I`m pretty sure the possibility that he may have been innocent went out the window at the moment he shot the lawyer when he was trying to escape his sentence.
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    u_jesse_u Male 18-29
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    June 18, 2010 at 9:15 am
    He requested the firing squad.
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    Angelmassb Male 18-29
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    June 18, 2010 at 9:17 am
    I still prefer death for snu snu
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    RockWell Male 18-29
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    June 18, 2010 at 9:18 am
    @ unborn son,

    I agree that with this guy it was obvious that he commited the crimes right from the start.... Trust me, I am from Utah and some of my taxes went to supporting this guy for 25 years in prison... I want it to be quicker as much as the next guy... but there are other things they argue other then just if he was guilty or not... like if he was insane or not.
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    Cashaviola Female 18-29
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    June 18, 2010 at 9:23 am
    I think his execution was fair. He shot and killed a bartender, then the attorney when he attempted to escape, he also shot the guard. I think any murderer should be killed the same way they killed their victim. Only seems fair, they had no regard for human life, why should we care if their death is cruel or unusual?
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    EricWRN Male 30-39
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    June 18, 2010 at 9:29 am
    i don`t care about the death penalty either way, it has it`s pro`s and con`s, but poo, the guy requested to be shot so there you have it
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    paddy215 Male 18-29
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    June 18, 2010 at 9:32 am
    They should kill them in the most embarrassing way possible, why should a murderer get to have such a bad ass death?
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    robotobunneh Female 18-29
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    June 18, 2010 at 9:39 am
    Firing squad would be much quicker than electrocution or lethal injection o_o;
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    vulture19 Male 30-39
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    June 18, 2010 at 9:42 am
    It`s like The Executioner`s Song by Norman Mailer all over again....
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    therach Female 18-29
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    June 18, 2010 at 9:47 am
    @BoNeymiZz: Is there a particular reason why you are focusing in on Americans in general? Because if you bother to look up statistics, China, Iran, Saudi Arabia and Pakistan are LIGHT YEARS ahead of us when it comes to execution. Seriously, do some research before you condemn a country (which I`m sure you are only doing because it`s the "cool" thing to do.)
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    Asspenny Male 18-29
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    June 18, 2010 at 9:58 am
    What`s wrong with this? The guy opted for it so it seems fair to me

    also: @angelmass the preposition you`re looking for is `by` not `for` but it`s a common error like para and por for english speakers
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    KekS Male 18-29
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    June 18, 2010 at 10:00 am
    Link to this article was on IAB before. And still, I think if he was the one to choose how he dies, who cares as long as he`s dead?

    And, therach, light year is a unit of length, FFS.
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    bigbaddave Male 40-49
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    June 18, 2010 at 10:03 am
    This was the first execution by firing squad in around 15 years. The convict had the option of death by firing squad and took it. Of course he was trying to get out of it in the end but to no avail.
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    yarrrpirate Male 18-29
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    June 18, 2010 at 10:06 am
    So he was executed for murdering one guy? Why does his punishment differ so much from other murderers`? Random.
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    yarrrpirate Male 18-29
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    June 18, 2010 at 10:07 am
    "Because if you bother to look up statistics, China, Iran, Saudi Arabia and Pakistan are LIGHT YEARS ahead of us when it comes to execution."

    These countries are also quite primitive and don`t pretend to be a beacon of hope and enlightenment.
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    VikingGuy Male 18-29
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    June 18, 2010 at 10:11 am
    cant disagree with executing him for his crimes, but letting him sit there for 25 years before carrying it out is stupid to say the least, if you´re going to enforce any form of capital punishment do it once the evidence is absolute and unquestionable, otherwise no go in my book.

    as to the method it was done with, strapping someone to a chair and hooding them and so on i cant agree with, the older forms of letting them stand and die with some dignity though i could.
    every human being, even a criminal set to die for their crimes, regardless how horrible, deserves at least to go out with a bit of dignity and respect.
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    Django Male 30-39
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    June 18, 2010 at 10:21 am
    We are the great beacon of hope and enlightenment. We`re not pretending.
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    Siyanor Male 18-29
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    June 18, 2010 at 10:24 am
    Django, I guess this "great" beacon is not particularly bright. It doesn`t reach over here in Western US.
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    Django Male 30-39
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    June 18, 2010 at 10:27 am
    @Siyanor...it`s easy, turn off the tv.
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    Django Male 30-39
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    June 18, 2010 at 10:33 am
    Before anyone jumps on me, I`m not telling you to bury your head in the sand. I`m just recommending we all take a little break from drinking the Kool-Aid.
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    DMoneys36 Male 13-17
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    June 18, 2010 at 10:33 am
    I`d rather be shot in the head than lethaly injected... It`s much quicker
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    gamergrl1018 Female 13-17
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    June 18, 2010 at 10:44 am
    oh god, death is really not funny but I rofled at this:
    "Ronnie Lee Gardner had spent his final day watching the Lord of the Rings trilogy and meeting lawyers and clergymen." ...why is that so funny to me? but it`s really funny. He decided to spend his last day watching the lord of the rings?
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    5Cats Male 50-59
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    June 18, 2010 at 10:50 am
    VV @KekS I think the link was to an article about him choosing the method, since the execution just happened, eh?
    25 years is WAY too slow. 2 years max, if the defense hasn`t provided a clear reason to NOT execute, then shoot him like the rabid dog that he is.
    Sadly in Canada we let our murderers out for "time served" or parole them after a few years. FFS indeed! The victem(s) don`t get parole from being dead, eh?
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    Altaru Male 18-29
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    June 18, 2010 at 10:55 am
    The American Civil Liberties Union said Gardner`s execution showed the US`s "barbaric, arbitrary and bankrupting practice of capital punishment".

    I`m gonna focus on the bankrupting...

    It costs more for four bullets and five officers salaries than for a murderer to sit in prison for life? I never did understand that.

    Maybe the law costs, but those could be cut down real quick by cutting the number of appeals they get...

    Anyway... Sounds like a pretty good last day to me. I`d rather spend it watching anime and listening to Disturbed, mind you, but LOTR is a good choice as well.
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    Blitzon Male 40-49
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    June 18, 2010 at 10:56 am
    I was going to YAY this, but then read that it was a lawyer he killed. Meh, maybe a few years in jail would have been more appropriate.
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    GuardinGnome Male 18-29
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    June 18, 2010 at 11:01 am
    I`ll pull the damn trigger myself so some other poor guy doesn`t have to.
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    Decor Male 18-29
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    June 18, 2010 at 11:09 am
    I don`t see why firing squad is any worse than the electric chair, you still use that in the usa?

    At least it`s over quick.
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    GParadox Female 18-29
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    June 18, 2010 at 11:13 am
    I still think its hypocritical for the justice system to say "It is wrong for one human to murder another, but okay for the state too." If you want to prove an example and be the better, moral person, let them sit in Jail for the rest of their life and ponder they`re mistakes. The state is no better(because it is just revenge) than the actual murderer for its actions.
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    GParadox Female 18-29
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    June 18, 2010 at 11:16 am
    About the price- Justice should not have price as a factor on someones life.

    Just because its cheaper to shoot someone, doesn`t mean it should be done.

    Anyway, those who advocate this "Shooting because it is cheaper" should advocate drowning subjects, or throwing them off buildings. No bullets wasted, right?
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    Fated Female 30-39
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    June 18, 2010 at 11:21 am
    I am uncertain as to why we no longer use the guillotine. Seems efficient and quick.
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    KekS Male 18-29
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    June 18, 2010 at 11:23 am
    >>I think the link was to an article about him choosing the method, since the execution just happened, eh?

    Yes, that`s what I meant to say. I was talking about this link.
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    DGbME Male 40-49
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    June 18, 2010 at 11:28 am
    Look at that smirk on his face. He deserved to die.
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    goaliejerry Male 30-39
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    June 18, 2010 at 11:30 am
    " Justice should not have price as a factor on someones life."

    Everything - even human life - has a dollar figure in the justice system. Its more expensive to ruin the face of a pretty girl than an old man, for example.
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    DGbME Male 40-49
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    June 18, 2010 at 11:31 am
    Firing squad is a very fast way to die. I will never understand the mentality of "make it painless and non-traumatic" when they have murdered people. Just makes no sense.
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    crabcake Female 30-39
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    June 18, 2010 at 12:05 pm
    @ fated - the guillotine certainly was efficient, however, the quickness of the death is debatable. read "stiff" by mary roach. she is really funny and does her homework. (if you like to read).
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    BigPappa Male 40-49
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    June 18, 2010 at 12:21 pm
    @ farted - they don`t use the guillotine any more
    because somebody has to clean that poo up.
    and if I spent all day watching the LOTR trilogy
    I`d be ready for someone to shoot me.
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    LazyMe484 Male 18-29
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    June 18, 2010 at 12:33 pm
    The only redeemable point in this whole affair is that he requested the firing squad, and they granted that request. Everything else is at best wrong, at worst, barbaric.
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    pui Female 18-29
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    June 18, 2010 at 12:33 pm
    I don`t think a murderer should get to choose how they die. Their victims didn`t get that choice.
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    sender02 Male 18-29
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    June 18, 2010 at 12:50 pm
    I hope and pray that this isn`t the last firing squad. It`s cheaper and more effective than whatever "but what about the criminals feelings?" methods that we`re using nowdays. I hope they do it more often. Bring back the firing squad!
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    iceblack Male 18-29
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    June 18, 2010 at 12:52 pm
    Wow... IAB is getting soooooo misleading,
    wasn`t that "He choose to be fired" article
    in this same site too?

    I remember I read it, but can`t remember where
    it was
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    sender02 Male 18-29
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    June 18, 2010 at 12:53 pm
    @GParadox, it would be better to drown them or throw them off a building, but we would get a lot or crap for it since they would be terrorized the whole way down or whole time underwater. Somehow thats wrong, apparently.
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    deadmeat553 Male 18-29
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    June 18, 2010 at 12:56 pm
    I think the victims family/friends should have decided the murders fate.
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    davymid Male 30-39
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    June 18, 2010 at 1:01 pm
    By the way, why do they make sure that the needle is sterilized before administering a lethal injection? I mean, really.
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    CrakrJak Male 40-49
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    June 18, 2010 at 1:02 pm
    He was the last, Utah changed the law before he was executed but his sentence was already given.
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    pizzabob18 Male 18-29
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    June 18, 2010 at 1:04 pm
    I don`t think this is right, in the sense that he got to have his way and satisfaction after killing two innocent people. He should have been jailed for life instead.
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    sender02 Male 18-29
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    June 18, 2010 at 1:06 pm
    they do sterilize the needle for lethal injections... God knows why.
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    Mantistador Male 18-29
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    June 18, 2010 at 1:09 pm
    i don`t know whats more interesting... the fact that they have a firing squad or the fact that you get to chose how you die...
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    Gerry1of1 Male 50-59
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    June 18, 2010 at 1:26 pm
    He killed a lawyer... is that REALLY a crime?
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    tjhensman Male 18-29
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    June 18, 2010 at 1:26 pm
    Why does he use 6/10`s of 1% in the video?
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    Fatninja01 Male 30-39
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    June 18, 2010 at 2:21 pm
    At least the tax payers arnt paying for his food and shelter any more!
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    patchouly Male 40-49
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    June 18, 2010 at 2:32 pm
    Shame to see so many folks, supporting the death penalty. Committing the very same crime that you are killing the criminal for is ridiculous.

    Another one of those times that I`m happy I`m Canadian.
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    Grendel Male 40-49
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    June 18, 2010 at 3:24 pm
    patchouly: The death penalty is a very effective deterrent, and yes, it gives the victims, and the public at large, a sense of justice and possibly closure.
    Murder = Crime.
    Execution, does not = crime.
    And yes, we too are happy you`re a Canadian....all the time.
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    Adokenai Female 18-29
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    June 18, 2010 at 3:25 pm
    patchouly, if right now your closest family member was raped and killed, what would you want happening to the person who did it? I know what I would want... THIS is why people are still pro death penalty.
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    5Cats Male 50-59
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    June 18, 2010 at 3:41 pm
    For those who say "keep them in jail for life" consider this: 27+ people have been killed by jailed, convicted murderers since Canada repealed the death penalty. Escapes, paroles, releases (in Canada you can get paroled for "life in prison" after 15 years) and all those DEAD PEOPLE are paying the price.
    So execute them! When there`s no doubt? We know what to do to protect society from further danger.
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    Linkenberger Male 18-29
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    June 18, 2010 at 3:51 pm
    You know Pat, I really hope they make it standard in Canada to execute murderers and rapists. Normal people don`t kill/rape other people. These people need to be put down for the betterment of society.

    Life is sacred, but these people declared themselves enemies of life.
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    AppleBlue Female 18-29
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    June 18, 2010 at 4:33 pm
    the justice system isn`t a tool of vengeance for victims and their families. justice is about the rights of everyone, including the criminal.

    i think that if you say it`s ok for the state to take away life that it cheapens the worth of every life.
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    xiquiripat Male 18-29
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    June 18, 2010 at 5:03 pm
    As far as I`m concerned you forfeit your right to life when you malevolently take someone else`s.
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    McDuff73 Male 30-39
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    June 18, 2010 at 6:12 pm
    Its scary how many are advocating state sponsored murder.
    Its never right to take a life, and as mentioned before the justice system is not supposed to be about vengence.
    `It is said that no-one truly knows a nation until one has been inside its jails. A nation should not be judged by how it treats its highest citizens, but its lowest ones` Nelson Mandela
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    Grendel Male 40-49
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    June 18, 2010 at 6:12 pm
    Appleblue: His victims (remember them?) had rights to. Among them was the right to live life unmolested, or just to life for that matter. This sub-human decided to deny them this right. In doing so he forfeited any claim he had to the rights and privileges afforded to the rest of the law-abiding citizenry. Once he was convicted, he had only the rights that the community/justice system deemed he deserved (too many, in my opinion). The right to life was not one of them.

    This is justice, as defined by the people who built this nation.

    Don’t like it? Fight to change the law. The fact that you have that option is one of the things what makes this such a great country. But be warned, you will face massive amounts of resistance from people who think we are not exercising capital punishment as often as we should.
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    McDuff73 Male 30-39
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    June 18, 2010 at 6:19 pm
    16000 people were murdered last year in the States, clearly state sponsored murder is deterring people!
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    Grendel Male 40-49
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    June 18, 2010 at 6:21 pm
    McDuff: “Its scary how many are advocating state sponsored murder.”

    Capital Punishment is not ‘state sponsored murder’, it’s not even ‘murder’. You really need to look up the definition of ‘murder’. “The unlawful killing of another human being without justification or excuse”

    Court mandated means it’s not ‘unlawful’.
    It IS ‘killing of another human being’.
    It IS NOT ‘without justification or excuse’.

    McDuff: “Its never right to take a life,”

    Says who? You do not get to make that decision. (nor can it be taken as an axiom) I can think of many times and reasons when it would be right to take a life. If you are unable to do so, that just demonstrates your inability to think rationally.

    Have all the green-fuzzy utopia thoughts you want. In what we call `Reality`, the world is a mean, dangerous, unfair place.
  80. Profile photo of McDuff73
    McDuff73 Male 30-39
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    June 18, 2010 at 6:49 pm
    you can make as many excuses as you wish its state sponsored murder, its vengence, its killing another human being and its not right how can you expect the general public not to kill when the Government kills!?
    I was taught by my parents not to kill amongst other values they instilled.
    Of course there are reasons to kill but they are limited and it still doesnt make it right.
  81. Profile photo of davymid
    davymid Male 30-39
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    June 18, 2010 at 6:50 pm
    Meanwhile, Vietnam refuses to use firing squads as they are "too inhumane". Viet-f*cking-nam!
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    McDuff73 Male 30-39
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    June 18, 2010 at 6:56 pm
    lol
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    Altaru Male 18-29
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    June 18, 2010 at 7:17 pm
    16000 people were murdered last year in the States, clearly state sponsored murder is deterring people!

    Or, better yet, clearly there`s not enough...

    As far as I`m concerned, once they take the life of another human, they`re not humans anymore, they`re animals. We consider ourselves the superior species for a few reasons, not the least of which being the fact that we are able to think and use reason for such things as finding non-violent solutions to situations, and accepting our fate when we know we`ve done wrong.

    If he doesn`t want to use these abilities, then he`s not a human anymore. Kill his ass like you would a zoo animal that kills someone.
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    rikakitty Female 18-29
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    June 18, 2010 at 7:26 pm
    Just to remind the readers, if you`re even reading the damn article..

    "Gardner, 49, chose the firing squad before Utah banned the method in 2004."

    And on another note, I don`t think the people who carry out the death sentence are bad people. They`re doing what they think is right, with the best intentions. But I don`t think it`s best. Killing, whether it`s justified by `law` or not, will never stop violence. Ever. It just puts all the bad back into the world.

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    SilverThread Male 30-39
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    June 18, 2010 at 7:43 pm
    Yeah btw, he *chose* death by firing squad instead of lethal injection.

    Quite frankly, if those of you that think the death penalty is inhumane wish to volunteer to take in all of our death row inmates, we would be much obliged. If not, then kindly piss off and let us deal with *our* problem as we, the Majority, have deemed fit.

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    Wizard77 Male 40-49
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    June 18, 2010 at 7:58 pm
    If I had to choose, I would take this over LI or the chair.

    As for those against the death penalty. What would you do? Lock him up for the rest of his life until he dies of old age? If so he would need to be in solitary confinement all those years. To put such a dangerous killer in GP only puts other prisoners and staff at risk.

    Not to mention the cost of his care and feeding, medical issues, dental work etc until some day many years from now he finally passes away.

    Tell you what. You pay for it.
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    McDuff73 Male 30-39
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    June 18, 2010 at 8:11 pm
    @Alturu what part of,in spite of the fact that your country murders murderers 16000 people were not put off killing others?
    You think increasing the number of executions will reduce that number?
    I wouldnt necessarily kill a zoo animal that kills a human, if someone is stupid enough to go in an enclosure with a wild animal then thats their fault.
    @SilverThread if your country feels the need to spread your version of `Democracy` then you should bring yourself up to speed with the rest of the civilized world!
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    OmgZelda Female 18-29
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    June 18, 2010 at 8:35 pm
    The article is wrong. He committed the murders before they banned the firing squad, so he was given the option. He chose it to spite everyone.
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    bridog6996 Male 18-29
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    June 18, 2010 at 8:46 pm
    It`s more expensive to send someone to prison than to college. Keeping people like him alive is a huge waste of taxpayer money
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    Altaru Male 18-29
    3483 posts
    June 18, 2010 at 9:06 pm
    You think increasing the number of executions will reduce that number?

    Yeah, kinda. It`s all a game of chance and percentages.

    16000 murders, however many criminals caught, and only 52 executed? And I`m willing to bet more than a few of those are old convictions that have been appealed time and time again for years.

    Now, if there were more people executed, say, around 50% instead of, say, 10%, then I`m willing to bet people would be less likely to take the risks and play that game, am I not right?

    This is hypothetical. Say you were thinking of committing a criminal act. Rape, shall we?

    Now, you know that, if you`re caught, the highest chance is that you`ll go to jail for however many years, where you`ll have three meals a day, a bed, a roof, and a general sense of security.

    (cont. next post, because I know IAB likes to cut comments off...)
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    Altaru Male 18-29
    3483 posts
    June 18, 2010 at 9:11 pm
    Now, compare that to knowing that if you`re caught, it`s a 60/40 (or worse, 90/10) chance that you`re gonna be killed like the rabid dog you are.

    Under which circumstances are you most likely to commit the rape?

    Oh, and as for your reply to my comment about killing them like zoo animals... You know what I meant, assh*le.

    Okay, how about this then. Kill them like a rabid dog loose on a playground, since that`s effectively what they are if they think they can get away with killing or raping people.
  92. Profile photo of McDuff73
    McDuff73 Male 30-39
    870 posts
    June 18, 2010 at 9:26 pm
    Ok lets carry your little story further, you know that if your caught for a rape you will be murdered by the state surely to reduce the chance of being caught you would kill any witnesses! so because the state murders you not only commit a rape but you kill too, so where is the deterrant in that!?
    And no I have no clue as to what your on about when you talk about zoo animals.
    The reality is most murders are not planned they happen on the spur of the moment without thinking! and most murderers dont think logically they just act, so deterrants dont work.
  93. Profile photo of Altaru
    Altaru Male 18-29
    3483 posts
    June 18, 2010 at 9:28 pm
    Now, if there were more people executed

    Oh, and looking back, before you decide to be a jackass again and nit-pick on this, I mean criminals, not people.

    Oh, and let`s not forget that if you go to jail, there`s a chance you`ll be out again, like the 100-year-old sex offender who says he`ll never change...
  94. Profile photo of Altaru
    Altaru Male 18-29
    3483 posts
    June 18, 2010 at 9:35 pm
    The reality is most murders are not planned they happen on the spur of the moment without thinking!

    EXACTLY my point. If you`re going to act on impulse and kill someone for whatever reason, then you`ve forfeited those things that make you human, such as reason, and logic.

    If you`re going to give up your humanity, then why should we treat you like a human? I say we kill you like the animal that kills someone, not only to act as a deterrent to the other animals, whether that works or not, but to keep you from doing it again.

    Normal people get pissed off all the time, but don`t fly off into a blind rage and kill someone. If you do, it shows a lack of control that I don`t feel the state should have to pay to correct. Instead, we treat you like a rabid dog, and put you down.

    End of story, and you can`t do the same to some other poor person that happens to get in your way or piss you off.
  95. Profile photo of Altaru
    Altaru Male 18-29
    3483 posts
    June 18, 2010 at 9:37 pm
    you know that if your caught for a rape you will be murdered by the state surely to reduce the chance of being caught you would kill any witnesses!

    And if you think witnesses are the only way criminals are caught, then you`re a f*cking moron.

    Or that many criminals commit the crime in places that witnesses would see anyway.

    Or that they don`t ALREADY kill witnesses that they know are there. Which they usually don`t know witnesses are there, which is why the witness is still alive most of the time.

    Seriously, do you even think before you start typing?
  96. Profile photo of McDuff73
    McDuff73 Male 30-39
    870 posts
    June 18, 2010 at 9:50 pm
    You really think impulsive actions are not a human trait then you have no clue as to the human psyche.
    People are impulsive all the time just for different things some people its shopping others its violence try reading a psychology book or two.
    The need for you to keep ascerting that its an animalistic trait is your lack of understanding or the desire for you to seperate yourself from murderers they are just the same as you or me just they are more impulsive.
    I never claimed that witnesses are the only way criminals are convicted, however the desire to stop themselves being locked up or in your `ideal` world murdered by the state would drive them to MORE impulsive or destructive desires, self preservation is another human trait that runs deep!
  97. Profile photo of Altaru
    Altaru Male 18-29
    3483 posts
    June 18, 2010 at 10:00 pm
    You really think impulsive actions are not a human trait then you have no clue as to the human psyche.

    No, I`m saying that CONTROL over impulsive actions is the reason we consider ourselves the superior species and have reached the point we`re at today.

    Normal people have sexual urges all the time. I look at a sexy woman on the street wearing a low-cut shirt, I might get a little funny feeling. But I keep it UNDER CONTROL.

    Normal people get angry constantly over various things. I get stuck in a traffic jam because one idiot decides to cut everyone off then stop, yeah I`m gonna be pissed. Once again, though, I KEEP IT UNDER CONTROL.

    So, yeah, I`d say I`m more than a little distanced from the guy who goes ahead and follows that woman home then rapes her, or the person that gets out of his car and kills the stupid driver.

    (Once again, cont.)
  98. Profile photo of Altaru
    Altaru Male 18-29
    3483 posts
    June 18, 2010 at 10:07 pm
    If you can`t keep yourself under control, then you don`t deserve to be treated with the same respect, dignity, and rights as other humans.

    And since you have shown that you clearly lack control in committing the crime, then why should we put others at risk by giving you the chance to get out of prison and back on the streets?

    And I personally don`t see why the tax-payers should have to pay for you to be "cured" of your impulse control problem over the course of however many years it takes for you to die.

    Besides... It`s population control. War, murder, capitol punishment, all that crap... Humans have no natural predator besides ourselves, and we`re having problems with resources recently. It takes a small amount of metal to make a bullet, but a lifetimes worth of food to feed a for-life inmate...

    Food that could be going to a starving African, for example.
  99. Profile photo of Altaru
    Altaru Male 18-29
    3483 posts
    June 18, 2010 at 10:11 pm
    desire for you to seperate yourself from murderers they are just the same as you or me just they are more impulsive.

    If YOU want to admit to being the same as a homicidal maniac, then that`s fine by me, but don`t lower ME to YOUR level. I can keep myself under control. I can hold back on my impulses. I know the difference between right and wrong.

    I`m NOT a stupid animal. I`m a smart monkey, see, because I evolved past the stage of killing or attacking things because I don`t like them, or just taking a woman against her will because I like her.
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    smithno13 Male 18-29
    252 posts
    June 18, 2010 at 10:21 pm
    I would hate to be in the firing squad. I could never kill a defenseless man.
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    Seastone Female 18-29
    613 posts
    June 18, 2010 at 10:28 pm
    I just have to wonder why a police officer would volunteer for this. I guess there`s a sense of duty and fulfilling this guy`s punishment, but still...
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    connor53 Male 13-17
    207 posts
    June 18, 2010 at 10:32 pm
    Wow. I would have just shot him on sight after he tried to kill the lawyer and escape.
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    TehTy Male 13-17
    112 posts
    June 18, 2010 at 11:13 pm
    That`s a pretty badass way to die. If I got to choose, I would go like that.
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    AppleBlue Female 18-29
    119 posts
    June 19, 2010 at 1:28 am
    @MeGrendel

    we don`t have capital punishment where i live
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    Prejudiced Female 18-29
    250 posts
    June 19, 2010 at 4:19 am
    Killing someone just beings you to their level.

    but regardless, I`d prefer to be shot then lethal injection if it was me. Bullet is instant death. Their have been cases of people not succumbing to lethal injection in the set time frame or who have had it stopped, and many claim they could feel the whole thing. Death by injected barbiturates with a anaesthetic that may or may not work? I`d take the firing squad personally. Atleast I know I`ll die quick.

    Crappy article on the subject. There are better ones that can be easily chased up if you are interested.

    Lethal injection
  106. Profile photo of Grendel
    Grendel Male 40-49
    5879 posts
    June 19, 2010 at 5:59 am
    Appleblue: we don`t have capital punishment where i live.

    That’s fine, as that’s what your community has decided.

    Our community has decided that the worst of the murderers have given up their rights and can be put to death.

    This does not make your community superior, just different in the punishment it metes out for crimes.

    Smithno14: I could never kill a defenseless man.

    This was not a ‘defenseless man’. I wouldn’t even classify him as part of the human race. His actions have set him apart from the human race, and better off removed from it.

    While not something I would enjoy, if the job needed doing and it was my responsibility, I would carry it out. Much like I would dislike killing a wild animal that was threatening a child (for that matter, I’d have more sympathy for the animal and actually regret that one).
  107. Profile photo of Max_Normal
    Max_Normal Male 30-39
    501 posts
    June 19, 2010 at 8:04 am
    Funny really, we have far, far less crime in Europe yet no death penalty deterrent exists or is needed, so I guess there`s a problem somewhere else that`s not being adressed. (Can you spot what it is kids?).
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    widjadidja Male 30-39
    66 posts
    June 19, 2010 at 8:21 am
    Yes Max I can the USA does not have an island big enough to ship them all off to.
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    Altaru Male 18-29
    3483 posts
    June 19, 2010 at 8:22 am
    @Max_Normal

    Maybe, but you also have one F*CKED UP history full of much worse things.

    I`d avoid doing committing crimes too if I thought it could start the next Inquisition or French Revolution...

    Not only that, but the US is still, historically speaking, VERY young in the world, and at this age, most of your civilizations had kings and queens and all that.

    There`s a LOT of problems that need to be solved, though, I`ll admit...
  110. Profile photo of BetterBob
    BetterBob Male 18-29
    168 posts
    June 19, 2010 at 9:29 am
    "only 6/10ths of 1% of murderers are executed"

    Hmmm, I`m thinking 100% of their victims were.. Maybe we should bring the number of executions up.
  111. Profile photo of McDuff73
    McDuff73 Male 30-39
    870 posts
    June 19, 2010 at 10:56 am
    @Alturu you can argue and fight it all you want but criminals are humans with a little less self control and many many studies have shown it doesnt take much for the average citizen to go down that route.
    I understand your need to distance yourself from these people it makes it easier to justify murdering them as monsters rather than human beings gone wrong.
    Other members of the Capital punishment club include:-Libya
    Sudan
    Zimbabwe
    Afghanistan
    China
    Iran
    Iraq
    North Korea
    Saudi Arabia
    As for the financial arguement make them work for their keep whilst incarcerated, tax payers not wanting to pay the bill is an awful excuse for state sponsored murder.
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    jayme21 Male 18-29
    579 posts
    June 19, 2010 at 12:09 pm
    PENN AND TELLER Did a show on Death Penalty watch it then decide what you want?
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    dax2009 Female 50-59
    322 posts
    June 19, 2010 at 12:10 pm
    Forgive me if someone has already mentioned this, but it is my understanding that Utah kept the firing squad for so long because their population is very heavily Morman, and in Mormonism shedding your blood after you have killed someone offers a measure of forgiveness from God. Could a Mormon out there please tell me if I`m full of crap, or, if not, explain the concept more fully?
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    sweettems Female 18-29
    9 posts
    June 19, 2010 at 1:01 pm
    Dax, not only did death by firing squad have nothing to do with the Mormons, but that is the strangest thing I have ever heard! What religion are you thinking of?? And how would death by firing squad even apply to that??

    The reason he was killed by firing squad was that it was still an option back when he was convicted, and that is what he chose. As it is not an option now, he will be the last one.
  115. Profile photo of Altaru
    Altaru Male 18-29
    3483 posts
    June 19, 2010 at 1:27 pm
    As for the financial arguement make them work for their keep whilst incarcerated
    Make them work WHERE, exactly?

    There are MILLIONS of good, honest citizens who`ve followed the laws and kept themselves under control all their lives, maybe even getting higher education and such, that can`t find a job in a damn fast-food restaurant right now and you`re advocating giving the jobs to criminals?

    criminals are humans with a little less self control and many many studies have shown it doesnt take much for the average citizen to go down that route.
    Oh? So drug dealers, gang members, and others that commit the crime deliberately just "have less impulse control," so we`re supposed to keep them alive in the hopes that they`ll just stop doing bad things with a little slap on the wrist?

    And how many "average" people do you know that have gone down that route?
  116. Profile photo of McDuff73
    McDuff73 Male 30-39
    870 posts
    June 19, 2010 at 2:28 pm
    @Alturu are you really that stupid?
    Do you honestly think I`m advocating sending the criminals out to fast food outlets to work!? bizarre.
  117. Profile photo of McDuff73
    McDuff73 Male 30-39
    870 posts
    June 19, 2010 at 2:39 pm
    No one is advocating a `slap on the wrist` for criminals, thats how you would like to portray a more civilised method, but try being incarcerated for some time and see how easy it is!
    Many people I know have committed offenses like myself and yet I am not a hardened criminal with the intent to murder and rape, and as much as you would like to have others believe not all criminals are monsters sometimes people act in an impulsive way and there are serious consequences to their actions.
    What you should do is go and do a bit of studying you clearly know very little about criminality study a little psychology then some sociology and also some criminology then maybe go actually work with criminlas like I do then maybe work with victims like I do too and maybe you will be a little better informed.
    By the way my crime! speeding acted impulsively to get somewhere quicker than I needed to!
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    duffytoler Male 40-49
    5196 posts
    June 19, 2010 at 2:58 pm
    I want the Governor to trigger remote machine guns for the execution with a video game controller.
  119. Profile photo of Suicism
    Suicism Male 18-29
    3625 posts
    June 19, 2010 at 3:25 pm
    "What religion are you thinking of?? And how would death by firing squad even apply to that??"

    Um - blood spills when you got shot? Unless they`re ALL loading blanks (which clearly wasn`t the case).. and it doesn`t sound like that outlandish of an association considering some of the more wacky things Morman adherents subscribe to.

    "... that is what he chose. As it is not an option now, he will be the last one."

    Um, no - the article clearly states (and I`ve read it before elsewhere) that of the 9 convicted before 2004 (and therefore still have their choice), 4 of them will opt for this. That sounds to me like they`re still alive, and still in a position to choose, which would not make him the last one (unless they all chicken-out).
  120. Profile photo of shappy
    shappy Male 18-29
    757 posts
    June 19, 2010 at 6:24 pm
    well he asked for it... no seriously, he asked for it.
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    moefreak Female 18-29
    1963 posts
    June 19, 2010 at 7:07 pm
    It`s terrifying and disheartening when a government has the right to kill its people.
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    moefreak Female 18-29
    1963 posts
    June 19, 2010 at 7:15 pm
    And for anyone still on this whole "the taxpayers shouldn`t have to support a murderer while he serves life in prison" kick, capital punishment is much, much more expensive than a life sentence.



    link
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    ElSombrero Male 13-17
    716 posts
    June 19, 2010 at 8:01 pm
    moe, in some cases yes. But a bullet is cheap.
    ____________

    How can you call this barbaric if he asked for it to be done?

    He wanted to die this way because that`s how his victim died.

    Personally I salute him for the choice. It was a poetic one.
  124. Profile photo of DavioMagnifi
    DavioMagnifi Male 13-17
    600 posts
    June 20, 2010 at 1:28 am
    "It`s terrifying and disheartening when a government has the right to kill its people."

    I say it`s terrifying to let a person live who kills innocent people without batting an eye. What would you rather we do with murderers? And firing squad is a thousand times cheaper than life in prison, you can quote me on that.
  125. Profile photo of RobSwindol
    RobSwindol Male 30-39
    2508 posts
    June 20, 2010 at 7:18 am
    "It`s terrifying and disheartening when a government has the right to kill its people."

    Please name one government that doesn`t kill it`s own people for one reason or another. Of all the reasons governments use to kill, this is the one reason that I`m OK with.
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    h0ax_d3m0n Male 18-29
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    June 20, 2010 at 2:15 pm
    I say if you take someone`s life you have no right to have your own.
  127. Profile photo of jib
    jib Male 18-29
    314 posts
    June 21, 2010 at 1:09 am
    @moe
    It`s expensive because of all these rules and precautions. If we treated it such as criminal case, it would cost the same or less.
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    Elriuhilu Male 18-29
    275 posts
    June 21, 2010 at 5:55 am
    if I was to be executed I would ask to have the president shoot me in the head on tv. I wonder if they would accept.
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    CitizenXt99 Female 18-29
    80 posts
    June 22, 2010 at 12:36 am
    I work right by that prison...creepy.
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    greggpethers Male 18-29
    271 posts
    June 22, 2010 at 8:12 am
    all that needs to be said about the issue of how wrong the death penalty is...

    why do we allow them a last meal? what faculty of humanity are we appealing to when we grant death row inmates this? what possible reason can there be to waste food in such an obvious way?
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    thecupholder Female 18-29
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    July 7, 2010 at 1:05 pm
    Nothing shoots like a Winchester.

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