The best in arts & entertainment, news, pop culture, and your mom since 2002.

[Total: 101    Average: 2.4/5]
279 Comments - View/Add
Hits: 27125
Rating: 2.4
Category:
Date: 06/09/10 04:02 PM

279 Responses to Tea Party Member Stuns Crowd

  1. Profile photo of dante8o
    dante8o Male 30-39
    50 posts
    June 9, 2010 at 3:29 pm
    Link: Tea Party Member Stuns Crowd - It was during the last question of the night, and the crowd was not expecting what happened next...
  2. Profile photo of kenisaim
    kenisaim Male 13-17
    22 posts
    June 9, 2010 at 4:08 pm
    stupid.
  3. Profile photo of Dead-Kittens
    Dead-Kittens Male 30-39
    1128 posts
    June 9, 2010 at 4:13 pm
    I dont get it, They bitching about having to share their country with other religions, then sing the anthem about "being free"...and they still cheer? O.o one or the other no?
  4. Profile photo of CoffeeDiiva
    CoffeeDiiva Female 40-49
    1604 posts
    June 9, 2010 at 4:14 pm
    really?? that wasn`t that great at all., Though the guy had a good verse.. but I now I know why would wouldn`t sing the second verse it is way too long
  5. Profile photo of goaliejerry
    goaliejerry Male 30-39
    4017 posts
    June 9, 2010 at 4:16 pm
    huh? Thats the fourth verse, not the second. I`m confused, this is not IAB worthy, as it is not shocking, funny, or amusing. Am I missing something?
  6. Profile photo of auburnjunky
    auburnjunky Male 30-39
    10339 posts
    June 9, 2010 at 4:16 pm
    WOW! GOOSEBUMPS! Homie brought it!
  7. Profile photo of gbrzeatetee
    gbrzeatetee Male 30-39
    174 posts
    June 9, 2010 at 4:17 pm
    I don`t get it. Some white guy sings. The end.
  8. Profile photo of a1butcher
    a1butcher Male 40-49
    4809 posts
    June 9, 2010 at 4:17 pm
    Well, go figure.
  9. Profile photo of auburnjunky
    auburnjunky Male 30-39
    10339 posts
    June 9, 2010 at 4:17 pm
    Heh. You guys are sounding like I do on pro liberal posts.
  10. Profile photo of goaliejerry
    goaliejerry Male 30-39
    4017 posts
    June 9, 2010 at 4:19 pm
    Tea Party is BORING......how is this "pro" anything, other than that it happened at a tea bagger party?
  11. Profile photo of jamie76
    jamie76 Male 30-39
    2345 posts
    June 9, 2010 at 4:19 pm
    so basically, if you have a different religion or are a non-believer forget your right to seperation of church and state because christian still believe they are the only true Americans.

    oh and I`m Christian by the way, I just understand the reason and constant need for seperation of church and state or better of stupid and stupider.
  12. Profile photo of SmagBoy1
    SmagBoy1 Male 40-49
    4432 posts
    June 9, 2010 at 4:20 pm
    I`m proud he could bother to learn another verse. Now if he could just bother to figure out what it meant, he could quit attending those punk ass, racist rallies.
  13. Profile photo of goaliejerry
    goaliejerry Male 30-39
    4017 posts
    June 9, 2010 at 4:20 pm
    Hey, you know what? Respect - God Bless America!
  14. Profile photo of auburnjunky
    auburnjunky Male 30-39
    10339 posts
    June 9, 2010 at 4:21 pm
    @Jamie:

    We were granted freedom OF religion, not freedom FROM religion.

    The founding fathers just happened to believe in God, and based our country on that belief.
  15. Profile photo of auburnjunky
    auburnjunky Male 30-39
    10339 posts
    June 9, 2010 at 4:21 pm
    Bravo Goaliejerry. Much respect to you.
  16. Profile photo of Mani-Jac
    Mani-Jac Male 40-49
    805 posts
    June 9, 2010 at 4:21 pm
    Tea party?

    wut?
  17. Profile photo of auburnjunky
    auburnjunky Male 30-39
    10339 posts
    June 9, 2010 at 4:22 pm
    @smagboy:

    Racist rallies?

    Wasn`t that a black guy moderating, or just a really tan Italian?
  18. Profile photo of goaliejerry
    goaliejerry Male 30-39
    4017 posts
    June 9, 2010 at 4:22 pm
    "Tea party?"

    lol, don`t ask
  19. Profile photo of ajmullan
    ajmullan Male 18-29
    105 posts
    June 9, 2010 at 4:22 pm
    I was honestly expecting something vulgar and rude, but that was quite nice, Kudos to that guy.
  20. Profile photo of SmagBoy1
    SmagBoy1 Male 40-49
    4432 posts
    June 9, 2010 at 4:28 pm
    auburnjunky, first off, one black narrator as a token doesn`t change what the party is and stands for. Second, you need to learn your history. The most prolific writer and founder, Thomas Jefferson, was a Deist and avid questioner of organized religion. He said, "Where the preamble declares, that coercion is a departure from the plan of the holy author of our religion, an amendment was proposed by inserting "Jesus Christ," so that it would read "A departure from the plan of Jesus Christ, the holy author of our religion;" the insertion was rejected by the great majority, in proof that they meant to comprehend, within the mantle of its protection, the Jew and the Gentile, the Christian and Mohammedan, the Hindoo and Infidel of every denomination.
    -Thomas Jefferson, Autobiography, in reference to the Virginia Act for Religious Freedom

    Learn your damn history.
  21. Profile photo of SmagBoy1
    SmagBoy1 Male 40-49
    4432 posts
    June 9, 2010 at 4:29 pm
    He further said, speaking more personally than as part of the collective that wrote our documents, "Millions of innocent men, women and children, since the introduction of Christianity, have been burnt, tortured, fined and imprisoned; yet we have not advanced one inch towards uniformity."

    -Thomas Jefferson, Notes on Virginia, 1782

    So spare us your made up history, please.
  22. Profile photo of verinon
    verinon Male 18-29
    335 posts
    June 9, 2010 at 4:32 pm
    Yeah, because everyone in the United States is Christian! Forgot about the separation of church and state!
  23. Profile photo of goaliejerry
    goaliejerry Male 30-39
    4017 posts
    June 9, 2010 at 4:33 pm
    "Wasn`t that a black guy moderating, or just a really tan Italian?"

    Its true, polls show that 1% of the Tea Party is Black. Poll

    My favorite poll, though, is one where 89% of Tea Partiers think the majority of the country shares their beliefs, while only 25% of ALL respondents to the poll (i.e., Americans in general) believe that. Soooo, yeah.

    Poll
  24. Profile photo of Brassbull
    Brassbull Male 30-39
    1610 posts
    June 9, 2010 at 4:34 pm
    I`m genuinely confused. Did someone misplace half the star spangled banner?
  25. Profile photo of rainbowfarts
    rainbowfarts Female 18-29
    798 posts
    June 9, 2010 at 4:34 pm
    Smagboy1, congratulations you get a cookie for knowing your history! I`m so glad somebody knows the founding fathers did not found this country as a religious nation and purposely kept church and state separate.
  26. Profile photo of auburnjunky
    auburnjunky Male 30-39
    10339 posts
    June 9, 2010 at 4:34 pm
    What the hell is your point smagboy?

    First of all, I know my history. I know Jefferson questioned organized religion. I also know he worshiped God in the Christian faith, as did ALL of the founding fathers. We are supposed to question. That`s why we have free will. Funny thing that free will. You tend to lose it as government grows.

    Token black person? Link time.

    http://www.eurweb.com/?p=22797

    http://tinyurl.com/2cogazz

    A snippet from the second link to save you the trouble of actually having to read something.

    "The biggest variance is that while the percentage of African Americans in the United States is 11 percent, the percentage of African American Tea Partiers is 6 percent. Considering the tendency of African Americans to support Democrats, especially the African American Democratic pre
  27. Profile photo of auburnjunky
    auburnjunky Male 30-39
    10339 posts
    June 9, 2010 at 4:36 pm
    Really Goalie? A CBS news poll?

    You coulda just asked Barack to call me up and tell me his opinion.
  28. Profile photo of CheerUpKid
    CheerUpKid Male 13-17
    21 posts
    June 9, 2010 at 4:37 pm
    Tea partys are still drating retarded
  29. Profile photo of Angelmassb
    Angelmassb Male 18-29
    15511 posts
    June 9, 2010 at 4:37 pm
    Americans doing American stuff
  30. Profile photo of auburnjunky
    auburnjunky Male 30-39
    10339 posts
    June 9, 2010 at 4:37 pm
    @cheerupkid:

    If you aren`t liberal by age 30, you have no heart.

    If you aren`t conservative after age 30, you have no soul.
  31. Profile photo of Mani-Jac
    Mani-Jac Male 40-49
    805 posts
    June 9, 2010 at 4:38 pm
    "don`t ask"

    I won`t, but I guess the idea of this "tea party" isn`t similar to a Tupperware Party.

    *googles "tea party"*

    OK, no it`s not
  32. Profile photo of Maelstrom_x
    Maelstrom_x Male 18-29
    1883 posts
    June 9, 2010 at 4:38 pm
    You don`t hear the second verse very often. Nice.
  33. Profile photo of PacoP42
    PacoP42 Male 13-17
    1064 posts
    June 9, 2010 at 4:39 pm
    erm...was it just me or did he nazi salute?
  34. Profile photo of auburnjunky
    auburnjunky Male 30-39
    10339 posts
    June 9, 2010 at 4:40 pm
    No paco you moron. He praised God.
  35. Profile photo of SmagBoy1
    SmagBoy1 Male 40-49
    4432 posts
    June 9, 2010 at 4:42 pm
    Jefferson worshiped God in the Christian faith? Are you on crack?

    No, you clearly *don`t* know your history and have clearly never read any of Jefferson`s writings, nor the writings of Benjamin Franklin, obviously, if you think all of the founders were Christians. Keep swallowing Sarah Palin`s FoxNEWS version of the truth if you want. I don`t support either party specifically, and have real issues with several DEM politicians, but, I damned sure know what I think about Republicans trying to change history to suit their agenda.
  36. Profile photo of auburnjunky
    auburnjunky Male 30-39
    10339 posts
    June 9, 2010 at 4:46 pm
    @smagboy:

    More truth for dat ass....

    http://tinyurl.com/yv5qr5

    "Later in life Jefferson held many clearly Christian, Deist, and Unitarian beliefs, but was not a member of any congregation or denomination."

    Big DUH on that one.

    http://tinyurl.com/lfxq3k

    "Benjamin Franklin was raised as an Episcopalian but was a Deist as an adult."

    Once again. NO poo!
  37. Profile photo of Keegan31
    Keegan31 Male 18-29
    228 posts
    June 9, 2010 at 4:48 pm
    @auburnjunky

    And if you never get fed up with the bullpoop coming from both sides, you have no brain.
  38. Profile photo of auburnjunky
    auburnjunky Male 30-39
    10339 posts
    June 9, 2010 at 4:50 pm
    Agreed keegan.

    I`m not stupid. I can see when Republicans are being old and stupid.

    If anything, I would say I am libertarian with conservative values.

    Not a republican.
  39. Profile photo of auburnjunky
    auburnjunky Male 30-39
    10339 posts
    June 9, 2010 at 4:55 pm
    @madest:

    So you aren`t denying that it is indeed a verse of our national anthem?

    So how was he wrong other than the order?

    Marine`s song is not just a song in that case.
  40. Profile photo of Lionhart2
    Lionhart2 Male 40-49
    8306 posts
    June 9, 2010 at 4:56 pm
    There`s a third verse too...

    Oh say can you admit
    Through the self-righteous crap
    That your nation invades
    Sovereign countries?
    Whose resources are theirs,
    Not yours for the take
    And whose people have rights
    As valid as yours are?
    But the army invades,
    The people are shot,
    And the occupation lasts
    Until you`ve taken the last oil drop...
  41. Profile photo of auburnjunky
    auburnjunky Male 30-39
    10339 posts
    June 9, 2010 at 4:57 pm
    @lionhart:

    HAHAHAHAHA Don`t quit your day job sir.

    Manually masturbating drop bears.
  42. Profile photo of Maelstrom_x
    Maelstrom_x Male 18-29
    1883 posts
    June 9, 2010 at 4:58 pm
    "Tea partys are still drating retarded"

    NO U

    "I`m proud he could bother to learn another verse. Now if he could just bother to figure out what it meant, he could quit attending those punk ass, racist rallies."

    Race card? Check! Come on, give us a Hitler reference and a blame Bush so I can win Liberal Playbook Bingo! I`m not a fan of the Tea Party movement because a lot of them are easily manipulated by terrible Republicans who should never be in politics, *cough*Palin*cough*, but racist? Is this as racist as Scott Brown owning a pick-up truck?

    So a black guy can`t passionately believe in a cause like this, even if he is ignorant and/or misguided? He just "has" to be a token black guy, huh? Sounds like you`re the racist.
  43. Profile photo of SmagBoy1
    SmagBoy1 Male 40-49
    4432 posts
    June 9, 2010 at 5:00 pm
    auburnjunky, perhaps if you read some of their writing, instead of a site set up specifically to promote a Christian agenda, and, even then, you must understand what a Deist and Unitarian is, right? Or do you think that`s code for "Christian"?
  44. Profile photo of Mesonoxian
    Mesonoxian Male 18-29
    29 posts
    June 9, 2010 at 5:01 pm
    Kind of anticlimactic. I was expecting a streaker or gun fire.
  45. Profile photo of SmagBoy1
    SmagBoy1 Male 40-49
    4432 posts
    June 9, 2010 at 5:02 pm
    Furthe, the country wasn`t founded "later" in Jefferson`s life, so, your whole argument is moot, anyway. My point is that you should read his writing. Actually go to the source instead of getting your information filtered through the right-leaning, Christian-centric sources that you seem to like.
  46. Profile photo of auburnjunky
    auburnjunky Male 30-39
    10339 posts
    June 9, 2010 at 5:03 pm
    @smagboy:

    I know Deist means worships God.

    It may not be specific, but I do believe their intent was to follow God, but you are free to choose how you follow Him.
  47. Profile photo of auburnjunky
    auburnjunky Male 30-39
    10339 posts
    June 9, 2010 at 5:04 pm
    Is there no such thing as a "neutral" or "centrist" site?

    I mean, how can either of us win if every website is either one or the other.

    Believe what you want, and I will do the same. God Bless America!
  48. Profile photo of Bahmook
    Bahmook Male 18-29
    19 posts
    June 9, 2010 at 5:08 pm
    auburnjunky

    just to quote mine from your first jefferson link

    "
    Jefferson considered himself a deist; he also considered himself a follower of Jesus. This is not a contradiction, in Jefferson`s view, because he believed Jesus to be merely human, not divine, and believed the precepts Jesus taught to be deistical. Much of traditional Christianity, Jefferson claimed, was error and corruption added by later followers of Jesus. "
  49. Profile photo of deadmeat553
    deadmeat553 Male 18-29
    149 posts
    June 9, 2010 at 5:08 pm
    Dumb @ss!
  50. Profile photo of Thorbjorn
    Thorbjorn Male 18-29
    23 posts
    June 9, 2010 at 5:15 pm
    God that sucked
  51. Profile photo of mervviscious
    mervviscious Male 40-49
    1793 posts
    June 9, 2010 at 5:18 pm
    teaparty people are funny... and sad at the same time...
  52. Profile photo of Mantistador
    Mantistador Male 18-29
    2200 posts
    June 9, 2010 at 5:18 pm
    I was hoping he would ask something racist like "yeah so what are we gunna do about our spic problem?" or something on that end...
  53. Profile photo of simim23
    simim23 Female 18-29
    1427 posts
    June 9, 2010 at 5:22 pm
    I mean, I disagree with what they`re preaching...

    ... But that guy can sing.
  54. Profile photo of auburnjunky
    auburnjunky Male 30-39
    10339 posts
    June 9, 2010 at 5:24 pm
    Freedom of religion Madest.

    They wouldn`t have been hung or burned at that point for not believing.

    You`re thinking 15-1600`s.
  55. Profile photo of wingz1206
    wingz1206 Female 18-29
    178 posts
    June 9, 2010 at 5:34 pm
    Ok I don`t care about the whole religious thing, but wow he can really sing, I gots chills
  56. Profile photo of auburnjunky
    auburnjunky Male 30-39
    10339 posts
    June 9, 2010 at 5:34 pm
    Thomas Paine and Samuel Adams participated in the first American Flame war hehehehehehe.
  57. Profile photo of SarahofBorg
    SarahofBorg Female 18-29
    3564 posts
    June 9, 2010 at 5:35 pm
    Arn`t there actually FOUR versus of the star spangled banner? *googles*
    And nobody notices the conspicuous line "and conquer we must?" More than a little imperialistic there.
    And lastly, American is not a Christian nation, because non-Christians are American. It`s a secular nation for a goddamn reason.
  58. Profile photo of auburnjunky
    auburnjunky Male 30-39
    10339 posts
    June 9, 2010 at 5:37 pm
    @sarah:

    Secular with religious values.
  59. Profile photo of yarrrpirate
    yarrrpirate Male 18-29
    394 posts
    June 9, 2010 at 5:38 pm
    All I see is a bunch of lazy intolerant rednecks.
  60. Profile photo of auburnjunky
    auburnjunky Male 30-39
    10339 posts
    June 9, 2010 at 5:40 pm
    Is the black guy a lazy intolerant redneck?
  61. Profile photo of Bahmook
    Bahmook Male 18-29
    19 posts
    June 9, 2010 at 5:48 pm
    "Secular with religious values"

    Please describe how these values are religious and not secular.
  62. Profile photo of Bahmook
    Bahmook Male 18-29
    19 posts
    June 9, 2010 at 5:49 pm

    "Every new and successful example, therefore, of a perfect separation between the ecclesiastical and civil matters, is of importance; and I have no doubt that every new example will succeed, as every past one has done, in showing that religion and Government will both exist in greater purity the less they are mixed together" - James Madison
  63. Profile photo of Pooptart19
    Pooptart19 Male 18-29
    2441 posts
    June 9, 2010 at 6:04 pm
    I know Deist means worships God.

    It may not be specific, but I do believe their intent was to follow God, but you are free to choose how you follow Him.
    Too bad Deism is the belief in a non-personal god, but go on, AJ, and keep showing just how dumb you are.
  64. Profile photo of Altaru
    Altaru Male 18-29
    3483 posts
    June 9, 2010 at 6:11 pm
    Yay, he learned another verse. The last one. Of the FOUR *cough* STANZA *couch* POEM (which he got wrong by saying it was only two...)that it initially was when it was written by Key after the battle of... I wonder if he even knows the battle? Or the fact that our national anthem is set to the tune of a frickin` DRINKING song...

    I love when people try to sound all patriotically knowledgeable. Half the time, they`re retards. The other half, if people actually know all the details, they HATE the country. I guess we know which he is...

    BTW, for f*ck`s sake, it doesn`t matter WHO is in office, we`re still screwed. What we need is a total OVERHAUL, not just a few people switching places...
  65. Profile photo of Gerry1of1
    Gerry1of1 Male 50-59
    36850 posts
    June 9, 2010 at 6:14 pm
    TOTALLY fake!!!

    there are no black tea-baggers
  66. Profile photo of 600R3d
    600R3d Male 18-29
    144 posts
    June 9, 2010 at 6:19 pm
    apatheism is the way to go
  67. Profile photo of Altaru
    Altaru Male 18-29
    3483 posts
    June 9, 2010 at 6:21 pm
    Secular with religious values.

    Might I ask...

    Is it not humanly possible to have MORAL values without religious bullsh*t getting in the way?
  68. Profile photo of SmilinSam
    SmilinSam Female 18-29
    3599 posts
    June 9, 2010 at 6:23 pm
    Beautifully sung, Horribly applied.
  69. Profile photo of Rick_S
    Rick_S Male 40-49
    3291 posts
    June 9, 2010 at 6:26 pm
    We are not a Christian nation. We may be a nation of Christians, but our government is secular, and subscribes to no specific religion.
  70. Profile photo of Brassbull
    Brassbull Male 30-39
    1610 posts
    June 9, 2010 at 6:28 pm
    "What we need is a total OVERHAUL, not just a few people switching places..."

    Quoted for truth.

    And religious values suck! They tell you to hate homosexuals. I`d like some reason and logic with my values, please.

  71. Profile photo of CrakrJak
    CrakrJak Male 40-49
    17514 posts
    June 9, 2010 at 6:28 pm
    Madest: That was taken severely out of context and that Mr. Adams is relaying his frustration with those who fight between denominations, supposing that their particular Christian denomination is best and should be the only one.

    John Adams believed that government should never impose a denomination/particular religion upon the people. And in his frustration he said that he almost wished there to be no religion, but this of course was not his true wish. His true wish was for peace between denominations and lack of governmental pressure to adhere to a certain denomination. As he said in the same letter, "Without religion this world would be something not fit to be mentioned in polite company, I mean Hell..."
  72. Profile photo of CrakrJak
    CrakrJak Male 40-49
    17514 posts
    June 9, 2010 at 6:33 pm
    Google Page from `They Never Said it`
  73. Profile photo of CrakrJak
    CrakrJak Male 40-49
    17514 posts
    June 9, 2010 at 6:35 pm
    "We have no government armed with power capable of contending with human passions unbridled by morality and religion . . . Our Constitution was made only for a moral and religious people. It is wholly inadequate to the government of any other." - John Adams
  74. Profile photo of Altaru
    Altaru Male 18-29
    3483 posts
    June 9, 2010 at 6:39 pm
    @Brassbull

    You can quote me all you like, lol. Especially if you`re agreeing with me.
  75. Profile photo of grahamm
    grahamm Male 18-29
    249 posts
    June 9, 2010 at 6:42 pm
    GOD SAVE OUR GRACIOUS QUEEN LONG LIVE OUR NOBLE QUEEN and so on..
  76. Profile photo of Spocom
    Spocom Female 13-17
    709 posts
    June 9, 2010 at 6:43 pm
    I don`t get it... He just stood up and started singing...
  77. Profile photo of necrobitch
    necrobitch Female 18-29
    467 posts
    June 9, 2010 at 6:44 pm
    omg i just PISSED MYSELF
    i cant breathe
    dat was so funny :L :L :L LOL
  78. Profile photo of lauriloo
    lauriloo Female 40-49
    1803 posts
    June 9, 2010 at 6:44 pm
    I don`t get why seeing the word "God" on something automatically means it`s "Christian". Don`t ALL religions believe in a "God" in one way or another? blech religion. just another way for people to separate themselves from other people.
  79. Profile photo of goaliejerry
    goaliejerry Male 30-39
    4017 posts
    June 9, 2010 at 6:45 pm
    "Might I ask...

    Is it not humanly possible to have MORAL values without religious bullsh*t getting in the way?"

    This is how I live my life, and I believe I`m generally a moral person. I don`t steal, or rape, or wrong others, not because of adherence to religious tenets, but because my rationality tells me its better to be moral than not.
  80. Profile photo of FrigginMo
    FrigginMo Male 18-29
    266 posts
    June 9, 2010 at 6:55 pm
    ....And?
  81. Profile photo of whipsmart
    whipsmart Female 18-29
    665 posts
    June 9, 2010 at 7:06 pm
    DAMNIT DAMNIT DAMNIT
    I was waiting for the black guy to make some sassy comment after the song. This was sooooooo boring.
  82. Profile photo of HunterKiller
    HunterKiller Male 18-29
    363 posts
    June 9, 2010 at 7:17 pm
    @lauriloo

    It`s God as in, that`s the name. Not in "a god" which doesn`t specify.
  83. Profile photo of CrakrJak
    CrakrJak Male 40-49
    17514 posts
    June 9, 2010 at 7:23 pm
    madest: There is no `blasphemy law` in America, So I don`t know exactly what you are asking.

    Are you asking if I`d burn someone at the stake for not believing the bible ? No, Of course not.
  84. Profile photo of Altaru
    Altaru Male 18-29
    3483 posts
    June 9, 2010 at 7:37 pm
    @lauriloo

    It`s God as in, that`s the name. Not in "a god" which doesn`t specify.
    I wonder how many people know that the particular god they all speak about actually DOES have a name...

    Or what his pseudonym is, since no one`s allowed to speak that name lest they die horribly...
  85. Profile photo of Hemtroll
    Hemtroll Male 18-29
    363 posts
    June 9, 2010 at 7:45 pm
    That was pretty boring but mostly because I expected some funny or stupid comment from the speaker on stage.
  86. Profile photo of ggolbez
    ggolbez Male 18-29
    1933 posts
    June 9, 2010 at 8:07 pm
    People with imaginary friends are stupid.
  87. Profile photo of CrakrJak
    CrakrJak Male 40-49
    17514 posts
    June 9, 2010 at 8:08 pm
    madest: I don`t see that Adams `fought tooth and nail` for Christianity, I understand that he seen it as necessary to maintain order and that the constitution would fail in the hands of immoral and non-religious people. (Which was really prophetic of him)
  88. Profile photo of xxPinkxx
    xxPinkxx Female 18-29
    3829 posts
    June 9, 2010 at 8:16 pm
    I cannot help but admire the love for their country americans have. as annoying as that little religious debate was, they all payed respect and stood for the national anthem while some old guy sang it, without question. Good for you, america!
  89. Profile photo of Bahmook
    Bahmook Male 18-29
    19 posts
    June 9, 2010 at 8:18 pm
    At least the concept of slavery was consistent in both the bible and the constitution.

    And CJ, please don`t think that the bible is a good source for morality or the keeping of order. If we followed any of the laws in there that aren`t a prioi self evident (don`t steal, don`t murder), then we`d be killing unruling kids for playing their damn rap music
  90. Profile photo of davymid
    davymid Male 30-39
    12140 posts
    June 9, 2010 at 8:23 pm
    I cannot help but admire the love for their country americans have. as annoying as that little religious debate was, they all payed respect and stood for the national anthem while some old guy sang it, without question. Good for you, america!
    Ironic really Pink, when you consider that this patriotic pride you admire so much was at a Tea-Party rally designed solely to undermine their democratically elected President...
  91. Profile photo of silverwing23
    silverwing23 Female 13-17
    114 posts
    June 9, 2010 at 8:26 pm
    ...was that was supposed to be funny or shocking? The only thing annoying was the comment about how this nation is meant to be a christian God fearing one, other than that, the singing was rather pleasant.
  92. Profile photo of inaria
    inaria Female 18-29
    1515 posts
    June 9, 2010 at 8:35 pm
    Oh...not what I was expecting.
  93. Profile photo of Suicism
    Suicism Male 18-29
    3625 posts
    June 9, 2010 at 8:46 pm
    Really davymid - so questioning a democratically elected official is tantamount to undermining Democracy itself? Try jumping without a parachute next time - maybe you`ll land hard enough to pop your head out of your ass.
  94. Profile photo of syke22
    syke22 Male 18-29
    1136 posts
    June 9, 2010 at 8:49 pm
    God bless amurca. AMURCA F*CK YEAH! except when they`re retarded.
  95. Profile photo of bmh
    bmh Female 18-29
    248 posts
    June 9, 2010 at 8:55 pm
    Lets see, you have a group of religious extremists preaching political domination over others, how is this surprising?
  96. Profile photo of Dead-Kittens
    Dead-Kittens Male 30-39
    1128 posts
    June 9, 2010 at 8:58 pm
    Also wanna go on record and the USA`s BLIND pride in a privately owned country has given those who own the central bank absolute power, at the cost of the rest of the world. Thumbs up!
  97. Profile photo of Baalthazaq
    Baalthazaq Male 18-29
    4548 posts
    June 9, 2010 at 9:07 pm
    Madest: The Christians that exist in your fantasyland are ONLY unquestioning imbeciles. That is why you don`t recognize a genuine Christian like Adams who debated topics of faith on a daily basis.

    That doesn`t make him an Atheist. It just means he wasn`t an idiot. Your prejudices seem to just mean you can`t differentiate the two.

    "Gosh, look at that smart guy over there, he must be just like me". Pfft. No. He`s just like me. He argues with the faithful because it is meaningful and right to do so. That does not diminish his faith.

    Read page 2 of your own link.

    Everyone else:
    The reason this is funny, is it is stupid, dishonest, shows a lack of argument, to shout patriotism at the top of your lungs for an issue 75% of your country disagrees with.

    It is wrapping the flag around the feces of swine. It is not to be commended.
  98. Profile photo of Barbarossa69
    Barbarossa69 Male 18-29
    220 posts
    June 9, 2010 at 9:08 pm
    I wonder if they realize that by making the s lower case in secular and stupidest they imply it should be known as the SS... X-D
  99. Profile photo of Bahmook
    Bahmook Male 18-29
    19 posts
    June 9, 2010 at 9:10 pm

    "Every new and successful example, therefore, of a perfect separation between the ecclesiastical and civil matters, is of importance; and I have no doubt that every new example will succeed, as every past one has done, in showing that religion and Government will both exist in greater purity the less they are mixed together" - James Madison
  100. Profile photo of Baalthazaq
    Baalthazaq Male 18-29
    4548 posts
    June 9, 2010 at 9:10 pm
    Basically:

    "So what is you argument?"
    "Well. Point 1 is... ummm... well lets talk about point 2, you seee... ummm, point 3 is really where it`s at because um... you know what? Stop! Hammertime!"

    Now for the worshippers of MC Hammer, this is awesome. For anyone who isn`t blinded by shiny baggy pants, this is exactly how stupid this seems.
  101. Profile photo of Rattyshirt
    Rattyshirt Male 18-29
    29 posts
    June 9, 2010 at 9:18 pm
    Alright. I`m sure this has been said before, but I still feel the need.

    After reading the comments on similar videos over several years this has been pretty clear to me. It would be a much better environment if nobody ever debated the bible on this site. Not because it would reduce hostility, but because it would reduce the ridiculous misconceptions about it. I`m not an expert but it is pretty easy to tell there aren`t any seminary students on this site; or even students who have taken bible courses.

    Once again, I have little knowledge about this as well. Although there are many brilliant minds on IAM, when it comes to the bible you people have no idea what you are talking about. Believers and non-believers alike; personal experiences and untrained interpretations of the bible mean absolutely nothing and add only more hot air to such a petty argument. Do everybody a favor and just stop talking about it...
  102. Profile photo of arime
    arime Female 30-39
    23 posts
    June 9, 2010 at 9:20 pm
    That was the fourth verse, not the second.
  103. Profile photo of Suicism
    Suicism Male 18-29
    3625 posts
    June 9, 2010 at 9:21 pm
    That`s a great quote Bahmook. Basically it`s telling us that functionally, you endup with corrupted church and totalitarian state the closer the two are infused. However, though I don`t support their vague `Judeo-Christian` agenda, I don`t think putting "under god" in the pledge has as much to do with this phenomenon either; not that you were arguing that it does.
  104. Profile photo of jtrebowski
    jtrebowski Male 40-49
    3362 posts
    June 9, 2010 at 9:22 pm
    As A Liberal, I certainly agree with the idea of an anti-estamblishment movement, but don`t agree with the loony ideas of the current Tea-bagging movement. They have no problems with telling the common folk how to live their lives, but God forbid government should step in and enact stricter safety regiualations for driling oil. Anyway, regardless...this guy singing the second verse was awesome!
  105. Profile photo of jtrebowski
    jtrebowski Male 40-49
    3362 posts
    June 9, 2010 at 9:23 pm
    or fourth verse :)
  106. Profile photo of CrakrJak
    CrakrJak Male 40-49
    17514 posts
    June 9, 2010 at 9:33 pm
    Baalthazaq: The reason this is funny, is it is stupid, dishonest, shows a lack of argument, to shout patriotism at the top of your lungs for an issue 75% of your country disagrees with.

    It is wrapping the flag around the feces of swine. It is not to be commended.

    Your made up number of 75% is quite wrong. You will see in November when we have our congressional elections. I`m also rather offended with your remark that American patriotism is like `wrapping the flag around the feces of swine` and I believe you should apologize for it.
  107. Profile photo of xill311
    xill311 Male 18-29
    52 posts
    June 9, 2010 at 9:41 pm
    it saddens me to find that a site that used to provide a good distraction from school, a job, or even just a dull evening, has become the same over-zealous material sold on basic cable during prime time. i-a-b was really unique and has been replaced with mislabeled compilation`s of the most attractive conservatives and least attractive liberal. i came here to relax not get bombarded with this partisan stupidity
  108. Profile photo of davymid
    davymid Male 30-39
    12140 posts
    June 9, 2010 at 9:43 pm
    Your made up number of 75% is quite wrong.

    Come come now CJ. Accusing others of making up numbers? In yesterday`s thread where you railed against gay marriage rights, you asserted that (quote): "Well more than 80% of all homosexual `relationships` fail within 2 years. 95% fail in 12 years, and a monogamous homosexual relationship is nearly non-existent. That`s fact, The nature of homosexuality does not lend itself to the fidelity of marriage."

    You were challenged again and again, very reasonably, to cite the source for your figures. You could not. You challenged others to look it up for themselves, burdening the questioner. Even when other users made a genuine search for your claims, even asking to you provide the search terms to look for (as the figures couldn`t be found), you refused to cite even bloody search terms never mind a link. In fact, all you managed was some slurs about kool-aid drinking brainwashed liberals.
  109. Profile photo of davymid
    davymid Male 30-39
    12140 posts
    June 9, 2010 at 9:45 pm
    I`m afraid you lost some credibility with me on that thread CJ (as much as I enjoy your posts). Not your usual form, sir.
  110. Profile photo of Uh_No
    Uh_No Male 18-29
    37 posts
    June 9, 2010 at 9:49 pm
    Davymid, you`re my new favorite person.
  111. Profile photo of Baalthazaq
    Baalthazaq Male 18-29
    4548 posts
    June 9, 2010 at 9:58 pm
    Why should I apologise Crakr?

    What did I insult. Unless you`re lying, it`s not offensive.

    (75% derived from Goalie`s link)

    You are protecting something poo (pig feces) with something good (American flag). Singing songs to back up an argument you have not made to associate "AMERICA!" with your argument, tears down America, and does little to promote your stupid cause.

    So I will not apologise for defending a flag which is not even my own against those who use it as a shield for ignorance, bigotry, or any other number of unmentionables.

    Never.

    Not in a million years. What I am doing is not only right, it is a moral imperative that it be done. Not only for flags, but also for religion.

    I refuse, absolutely, for you to cajole anyone into using either of those things for trite acts of personal gain.

    So, no, I will not apologise. I find it disgusting that you should even suggest I should.
  112. Profile photo of obhwfgirl
    obhwfgirl Female 18-29
    582 posts
    June 9, 2010 at 10:01 pm
    1) Damn he`s good! What a waste.

    2) The Constitution was partially founded on the separation of Church and State regardless of the fact that the culture of our society may be based in Judo-Christian values. The Founding Fathers did this because the state-mandated religion in Britain persecuted Puritans for their religious beliefs. They also created a democracy and separation of branches to combat the corruptive nature of power contained within a single governing entity. All people have a right to their beliefs, but if the Tea Partiers want their political agenda to be taken seriously, they need to stop trying to justify it with religion. They`re obviously making a mockery of themselves.

    3) Thank GOD these wackos aren`t in my Douglas County.
  113. Profile photo of neojester12
    neojester12 Male 18-29
    141 posts
    June 9, 2010 at 10:02 pm
    I saw this, actually... but I seem to remember the event a little bit simpler.

    Speaker: "See? We`re not completely retarded and senile... there are like 3 people under 40 here today! Yeah! Alright last question... Ah yes, over there."

    Audience Member: "Well sir, I used to drive John Kerry`s car and in the process won 2 purple hearts of my own. I play golf and I`ve eaten 12 Bibles in my life. I`d just like to say... look. (Shows two "a-okay" hand signs to the crowd. The closed first finger and thumb loops are obviously separate and solid. As a hush falls over the awed patriots, the man places both hands behind his head. Just a moment later the hands emerged... only the two circles are now linked together, as if by magic.)

    (The crowd explodes in a frenzy of stupidity and ignorance. There is much rejoicing... and everyone forgets what the hell that black dude was saying.)
  114. Profile photo of DaBigMachine
    DaBigMachine Male 30-39
    125 posts
    June 9, 2010 at 10:03 pm
    IAB put up a Tea Party video that wasn`t slanderous or misrepresentative?! I guess that part is saved for the comments.
  115. Profile photo of inaria
    inaria Female 18-29
    1515 posts
    June 9, 2010 at 10:07 pm
    "BTW, for f*ck`s sake, it doesn`t matter WHO is in office, we`re still screwed. What we need is a total OVERHAUL, not just a few people switching places..."

    Yes Altaru! completely completely agree. With government the way it is now, it`s impossible for anyone to get anything done. America`s flowing river of democracy is becoming stagnant. Why? Because people are becoming too polarized. Shying away from common sense politics into crazyville. The sad part is people are buying into it.
  116. Profile photo of axeman929
    axeman929 Male 30-39
    195 posts
    June 9, 2010 at 10:13 pm
    Idiocy, if any thing IAB is reasonably "fair and balanced." I am a conservative and in quite regularly offended and then joyed by what I see. And everything in between.
  117. Profile photo of auburnjunky
    auburnjunky Male 30-39
    10339 posts
    June 9, 2010 at 10:16 pm
    Altaru, what you said about changing everything is one of the core beliefs of the tea party.

    Welcome!
  118. Profile photo of DaBigMachine
    DaBigMachine Male 30-39
    125 posts
    June 9, 2010 at 10:19 pm
    People, we have democratically elected REPRESENTATIVES. That makes The United States a federal constitutional republic, NOT a democracy. Seems trivial, but it`s a BIG difference. If we could all democratically vote for every issue, we wouldn`t have a new health care bill now that the majority didn`t want in the first place.
  119. Profile photo of CrakrJak
    CrakrJak Male 40-49
    17514 posts
    June 9, 2010 at 10:22 pm
    Balthazaq: I see you are referring to a NY Times poll, The NYT is likely one of the most liberal newspapers in America, So I can understand how it`s readers (liberals) would respond that way.

    The LA Times According to the poll, 41% of likely voters now have a favorable opinion of the tea party disciples, compared with 35% for Democrats and 28% for Republicans.
  120. Profile photo of CrakrJak
    CrakrJak Male 40-49
    17514 posts
    June 9, 2010 at 10:27 pm
    The latest Rasmussen Reports national telephone survey finds that 52% of U.S. voters believe the average member of the Tea Party movement has a better understanding of the issues facing America today than the average member of Congress.

    When it comes to those issues, 47% think that their own political views are closer to those of the average Tea Party member than to the views of the average member of Congress.

    Finally, 46% of voters say that the average Tea Party member is more ethical than the average member of Congress.

    By a 62% to 12% margin, Mainstream Americans say the Tea Party is closer to their views.

    Rasmussen Reports
  121. Profile photo of DaBigMachine
    DaBigMachine Male 30-39
    125 posts
    June 9, 2010 at 10:44 pm
    Just for clarification, here`s the Tea Party`s main talking points as can be found here: Contract From America

    1. Protect the Constitution <---(seems reasonable)
    2. Reject Cap & Trade <---(this is just another tax that would trickle down to us)
    3. Demand a Balanced Budget <---(sounds reasonable)
    4. Enact Fundamental Tax Reform <---(no complaints here)
    5. Restore Fiscal Responsibility & Constitutionally Limited Government <---(I like the sound of this)
    6. End Runaway Government Spending <---(sounds necessary)
    7. Defund, Repeal, & Replace Government-run Health Care <---(majority of Americans didn`t want it in the first place)
    8. Pass an ‘All-of-the-Above” Energy Policy <---(I agree, but know Liberals won`t)
    9. Stop the Pork <---(yet again, more sense)
  122. Profile photo of DaBigMachine
    DaBigMachine Male 30-39
    125 posts
    June 9, 2010 at 10:45 pm
    (last post continued)

    10. Stop the Tax Hikes <---(Agreed! I hate more taxes)
  123. Profile photo of Malakos
    Malakos Male 18-29
    113 posts
    June 9, 2010 at 10:51 pm
    Dude`s a good singer, though I seriously disagree with everything the tea party stands for.
  124. Profile photo of bigbaddave
    bigbaddave Male 40-49
    214 posts
    June 9, 2010 at 10:52 pm
    I wouldn`t consider myself a Tea Party member but I think they have some very legit points. Of course the big question will always be if they actually stick to their guns or not... we`ve been told stuff by the other political parties but in the end were either lied too or they simply didn`t do what they said they were going to do.
  125. Profile photo of widjadidja
    widjadidja Male 30-39
    66 posts
    June 9, 2010 at 10:55 pm
    CrakrJak you know 82% of stats are just made up right?
  126. Profile photo of iamboredtooo
    iamboredtooo Male 18-29
    215 posts
    June 9, 2010 at 10:59 pm
    i don`t get it. some old man talks about the war and sings a song? what`s to see here?
  127. Profile photo of CrakrJak
    CrakrJak Male 40-49
    17514 posts
    June 9, 2010 at 11:02 pm
    davymid: I had already quoted a Denmark study that homosexual divorce was 50% higher for males than the heterosexual divorce rate (of 54%). It`s rather easy math then, Isn`t it ?, 54% x 1.5 = 81%. The rate of divorces for women in same-sex marriages was even higher.

    I was certain that someone would argue the math, Argue the study, Or just generally attack me.

    Plus my back was killing me, Still is but not as bad tonight.
  128. Profile photo of CrakrJak
    CrakrJak Male 40-49
    17514 posts
    June 9, 2010 at 11:03 pm
    widjadidja: Rasmussen doesn`t just make up numbers.
  129. Profile photo of Baalthazaq
    Baalthazaq Male 18-29
    4548 posts
    June 9, 2010 at 11:11 pm
    Sigh. Read more than the titles.

    1) Protect the constitution.
    3) Amend the constitution.

    4) "Fundamental tax reform" minus ideas. The only idea they have is to cap the number of words in the code governing it to 4543 words. Because thats how many words are in the constitution.

    9) Make it harder for the government to operate basic funding for anything, than it is to CHANGE THE CONSTITUTION.

    Seriously, every other thing on the list basically has "Constitution" written into every line, but has 0 actual policy ideas.

    "Change taxes and make them awesome!"
    "Get an awesome team to clean up the government!"
    "Lets make healthcare awesome!"

    There is no how in any of these except arbitrary word limits.

    The ideas, are universally, bad ones. Though they do say constitution 11 times.

    Hammertime!
  130. Profile photo of Baalthazaq
    Baalthazaq Male 18-29
    4548 posts
    June 9, 2010 at 11:19 pm
    Luckily it seems in more recent polls, people are understanding what the Tea Partyers tricks are, twice as many people are unfavourable towards the Tea Party since 6 Months ago:

    Link. Note that this doesn`t mean neutral. It means bad to worse.
  131. Profile photo of clp2010
    clp2010 Female 30-39
    126 posts
    June 9, 2010 at 11:23 pm
    Oh god this is worse than the "patriotic moment" at the bar in Jax NC while people are trying to get their drunk on >.<
  132. Profile photo of davymid
    davymid Male 30-39
    12140 posts
    June 9, 2010 at 11:30 pm
    davymid: I had already quoted a Denmark study that homosexual divorce was 50% higher for males than the heterosexual divorce rate (of 54%). It`s rather easy math then, Isn`t it ?, 54% x 1.5 = 81%. The rate of divorces for women in same-sex marriages was even higher.

    I was certain that someone would argue the math, Argue the study, Or just generally attack me.

    Plus my back was killing me, Still is but not as bad tonight.
    Jesus Crakrjak (no attack intended), was that so hard? That was all the users were asking for. Yet, I can respect your reticence, under flames. I might have done something the same. It was your own math, with no easy link.

    And I sincerely hope your back gets better, that`s painful.
  133. Profile photo of Baalthazaq
    Baalthazaq Male 18-29
    4548 posts
    June 9, 2010 at 11:33 pm
    And finally, sorry for the triple post:

    Protect the constitution is fine, doing so through adding a layer of bureaucracy into every single bill is bad. (Their actual idea).

    Look at how Cap and Trade has worked elsewhere. It is not just another trickle down tax.

    Balanced budget is good. Demanding one is pointless without ideas, especially when limiting all taxation to account for spending throughout all previous governments since Clinton.

    Tax reform, possibly, but reform to WHAT exactly? Word limit (their only contribution to the debate) bad.

    5+9) More Bureaucracy.

    6) Unrealistic. Equivalent to limiting the amount of water firefighters can use, irrespective of events (One more massive forest fire than usual? Tough.)

    7+10) No alternatives offered.

    8) Better alternatives exist.

  134. Profile photo of davymid
    davymid Male 30-39
    12140 posts
    June 9, 2010 at 11:37 pm
    As a parting shot, not entirely without malice (I freely admit)... Make up your own mind where my sentiment lies:

  135. Profile photo of Fatninja01
    Fatninja01 Male 30-39
    25420 posts
    June 9, 2010 at 11:42 pm
    woo hoo lets cheer on a speaker!
  136. Profile photo of CrakrJak
    CrakrJak Male 40-49
    17514 posts
    June 9, 2010 at 11:51 pm
    Baalthazaq: The Rasmussen poll I linked to is hardly `old`, It`s from March 2010.
  137. Profile photo of TheBLB
    TheBLB Male 18-29
    237 posts
    June 9, 2010 at 11:55 pm
    I spent 2:57 waiting for a couple of gay guys to jump in and dance or something.

    What the hell just happened?

    Did IAB post something... right... ish... wing? Or pro... ish... their country?

    THE drat?!
  138. Profile photo of CrakrJak
    CrakrJak Male 40-49
    17514 posts
    June 10, 2010 at 12:05 am
    Baalthazaq: Cap and Trade is built upon a farce, Anthropogenic Global Warming, Which has been exposed lately for the lie it really is. Even Al Gore and his other investment partners have sold their interests in the carbon credit companies they started. They know the dog and pony show is over and it`s time to cut their losses.

    "Fundamental tax reform" means simplifying the tax code and making it fair. The super-wealthy have hidden their money offshore for way to long, It`s time the loopholes were removed.

    3,5,6,7) We need to chop the deficit and spending drastically. Government needs to live within it`s means instead of continued constant borrowing. The idiocy of "We have to go spend money to keep from going bankrupt" (Joe Biden) is going to end.
  139. Profile photo of Ripper398
    Ripper398 Male 18-29
    1310 posts
    June 10, 2010 at 12:38 am
    I was hoping his little red faced head would explode at the end... I have been let down =o(
  140. Profile photo of Bahmook
    Bahmook Male 18-29
    19 posts
    June 10, 2010 at 12:39 am
    Lower the deficit, cut defense spending...

    Also, if you want some really thought provoking libertarian views, listen to Common Sense with Dan Carlin

    Dan Carlin-Common Sense
  141. Profile photo of togoth
    togoth Male 13-17
    129 posts
    June 10, 2010 at 1:26 am
    you probaly have to be american to get this cos to me it just so old bloke who cant sing for sh*t
  142. Profile photo of greatjob
    greatjob Male 18-29
    32 posts
    June 10, 2010 at 1:29 am
    amen!
  143. Profile photo of Kougaiji
    Kougaiji Male 18-29
    604 posts
    June 10, 2010 at 1:29 am
    Holy poo this is some stupid, backwoods peoples
  144. Profile photo of Kougaiji
    Kougaiji Male 18-29
    604 posts
    June 10, 2010 at 1:31 am
    Also crakrjak, cute abuse of statistics, but every poll in the history of america just about will show a very, very, very sub-mediocre approval of congress. Like single digit numbers to well less than 50% CONSISTENTLY. saying someone agrees more with a tea-party member than congress says more about how little people believe in congress than how much they believe in the tea party.
  145. Profile photo of tomatz
    tomatz Female 18-29
    16 posts
    June 10, 2010 at 2:15 am
    God... Americans make me sick.
  146. Profile photo of Wobble
    Wobble Female 18-29
    21 posts
    June 10, 2010 at 2:36 am
    I love how the baby in the background was covering his ears.
  147. Profile photo of CrakrJak
    CrakrJak Male 40-49
    17514 posts
    June 10, 2010 at 2:37 am
    Kougaiji: You accuse me of `abusing statistics`, Even though I`ve cited my sources. I did not conduct the polling. But since your skeptical of the methodology, Why don`t you read the Poll for yourself.
  148. Profile photo of wsmithpa
    wsmithpa Male 30-39
    87 posts
    June 10, 2010 at 2:51 am
    they were talking about keeping god in certain aspects of our government. some people of other religions think there should be no talk of god in any thing government, songs, signs, statues that are in parks on government property etc. etc. but some of these people that are taking this issue too far have to realize U.S.A. is a country that allows you to worship anything while some countries completely forbid this. U.S.A. does not want to make you worship our god we just want to keep the freedoms that our ancestors (who were immigrants from around the world) fought and many died for the freedom to. after 9-11 there has been a rise in muslim places of worship. As a christian who thinks these tea parties are alittle weird looking when not really knowing what is going on I am glad to see that my muslim-american brothers have a place to worship legally. if these extremists who want no religion in government get their way, do we know how far they will go after that?
  149. Profile photo of handys003
    handys003 Male 50-59
    2402 posts
    June 10, 2010 at 3:11 am
    Thursday, June 10, 2010 2:15:20 AM
    God... Americans make me sick. by tomatz

    Good I hope you can`t sleep.
  150. Profile photo of Musuko42
    Musuko42 Male 18-29
    2850 posts
    June 10, 2010 at 3:25 am
    CrakrJak is going on about homosexuality again?

    Seriously, CrakrJak, what is the point of trying to prove that homosexual marriages have a higher divorce rate? If I found you some figures showing that black people had a higher divorce rate than white people, would you say that they shouldn`t be allowed to marry either?

    Seriously. Why don`t I find you some figures that some ethnic group or other has a higher divorce rate, and I will DEMAND that you publicly state that they should therefore not be allowed to marry, just like gay people.

    And if you don`t, you will have to abandon that reason for denying gay marriage, or else I will have to remind you of your double standard every time I see you rear your little head in these debates.
  151. Profile photo of CrakrJak
    CrakrJak Male 40-49
    17514 posts
    June 10, 2010 at 3:33 am
    Musuko42: Davy asked, I answered. Let`s remain on this topic please. Also, Ethnicity is completely different than lifestyle choice.
  152. Profile photo of Musuko42
    Musuko42 Male 18-29
    2850 posts
    June 10, 2010 at 3:38 am
    "Let`s remain on this topic please."

    When do we ever do that? :P

    "Also, Ethnicity is completely different than lifestyle choice."

    Sexuality is not a choice. Do you choose what gets your penis hard, hmm? Or...and here`s just a guess...does it decide for itself?

    Or have you forgotten what it was like to be a teenager?
  153. Profile photo of Jamalleelee
    Jamalleelee Male 18-29
    21 posts
    June 10, 2010 at 3:50 am
    Ha ha those crazy tea baggers and their musics!
  154. Profile photo of Musuko42
    Musuko42 Male 18-29
    2850 posts
    June 10, 2010 at 3:52 am
    PS, CrakrJak, Davy only brought up the homosexuality issue because he was pointing out your poor citation of sources in the previous homosexuality debate, as you are now doing the same here.

    You were torn to shreds in that previous debate, and did nothing to contest the criticism of your statistic (by me), nor did you answer the requests to show your source (by others).

    So, because it is the rational way of doing things, we concluded your statistics were the fecal excretions of male bovine, until YOU could prove otherwise. That`s how science works; you state something, others poke holes in it, and IF you can plug the holes convincingly only THEN do we accept what you say.

    Otherwise, we all just blindly and unquestioningly believe in garbage. And you did NOT prove that your statistics were not garbage.
  155. Profile photo of geekkittie
    geekkittie Female 30-39
    24 posts
    June 10, 2010 at 4:23 am
    This would be touching if the Tea Party wasn`t so racist, homophobic, and so completely ignorant of the constitution. The whole martyr thing just makes me cringe, too.

  156. Profile photo of djlazar
    djlazar Male 30-39
    185 posts
    June 10, 2010 at 4:24 am
    Why the drat was this posted??
  157. Profile photo of alpensepp
    alpensepp Male 70 & Over
    1364 posts
    June 10, 2010 at 4:24 am
    so? what was his point?
  158. Profile photo of Baalthazaq
    Baalthazaq Male 18-29
    4548 posts
    June 10, 2010 at 4:38 am
    Crakr`s citation of sources is fine, and so are his sources. Rasmussen is fine.

    What is not fine however is the mistake he is making:
    "X% say teabaggers > congress" he is using to say "X% support teabaggers".

    This is not the case. If you conducted a poll saying "Is Al-Qaeda better than congress" I`m fairly sure you`ll get a good 10 to 20% saying yes.

    That does not indicate a 10-20% support of Al-Q, nor (conversely) a 80-90% support of Congress.

    To be fair though, my 75% was not accurate either, as I misread the report. The 75% was the "number of people who think the Teapartiers represent the majority", which I did think was probably closely linked, but I noticed when I reread it, that it was not close enough.
  159. Profile photo of geekkittie
    geekkittie Female 30-39
    24 posts
    June 10, 2010 at 4:52 am
    @ Wsmithpa - You fail to see the difference between the freedom of religion and Gov’t support of a religion. No one is preventing you from worship. No is removing mosques, temples or churches. It simply means that the Gov’t cannot favor Christianity or use public funds to support it.

    The Constitution states “Congress shall make no law respecting an establishment of religion, or prohibiting the free exercise thereof . . ."

    Would be O.K if your public school wanted to start every morning with a moment of Muslim or Hindu prayer? Are we going to address the Kami for the Shinto and Xenu for Scientology?
    Religion does not belong in Gov’t.

    Look at how faith-based groups push their agenda on the gay right for marriage or how creation is trying to sneak into public schools. Such faith based initiatives allow Religious organizations to receive public money while discriminating against others. THIS is what people want to pre
  160. Profile photo of TruTenrMan
    TruTenrMan Male 30-39
    2553 posts
    June 10, 2010 at 5:21 am
    Technically, it`s the 4th verse, not the 2nd.... but I`m sure that`s been stated already.
  161. Profile photo of paddy215
    paddy215 Male 18-29
    1677 posts
    June 10, 2010 at 5:34 am
    I love how in a rally full of "patriotic" people, none of them seemed to know the words to their own national anthem until the last few lines, which even I knew.
  162. Profile photo of Oscola
    Oscola Male 18-29
    349 posts
    June 10, 2010 at 5:46 am
    It might mention God in the anthem or constitution.....but it doesn`t mention a Christian God, therefore by their own reasoning you can`t favour one God over another, therefore you have to have a seperation of government and religion in order to address the needs of everyone and have equality, which is what the U.S. is meant to be based on right?
  163. Profile photo of DaBigMachine
    DaBigMachine Male 30-39
    125 posts
    June 10, 2010 at 6:05 am
    @geekkittie: "This would be touching if the Tea Party wasn`t so racist, homophobic, and so completely ignorant of the constitution. The whole martyr thing just makes me cringe, too."

    You are aware that it was a BLACK speaker with a white audience, right?
  164. Profile photo of patchouly
    patchouly Male 40-49
    4746 posts
    June 10, 2010 at 6:11 am
    Silly Americans LOL!
  165. Profile photo of baileyabb
    baileyabb Female 18-29
    896 posts
    June 10, 2010 at 6:26 am
    I guess this is cool....if you`re American..
  166. Profile photo of pmarren
    pmarren Male 40-49
    4575 posts
    June 10, 2010 at 6:39 am
    Kinda neat.
  167. Profile photo of Lellin
    Lellin Female 13-17
    54 posts
    June 10, 2010 at 6:42 am
    Seriously.... Americans are weird. If someone started singing `God save the queen`, We would be more likely to give them funny looks and try and get them to hush rather than stand up or w/e.
  168. Profile photo of boredfjord
    boredfjord Male 13-17
    928 posts
    June 10, 2010 at 7:00 am
    Embarrassing.
  169. Profile photo of shizzamX
    shizzamX Female 18-29
    2695 posts
    June 10, 2010 at 7:08 am
    meh.
  170. Profile photo of dadefischer
    dadefischer Male 18-29
    13 posts
    June 10, 2010 at 7:24 am
    I guess it says a lot about your country when people find patriotism humiliating.
  171. Profile photo of clp2010
    clp2010 Female 30-39
    126 posts
    June 10, 2010 at 7:27 am
    Oh god this is worse than the "patriotic moment" at the bar in Jax NC while people are trying to get their drunk on >.<
  172. Profile photo of mal_BB
    mal_BB Male 18-29
    1231 posts
    June 10, 2010 at 7:37 am
    I like the fact their patriotic- everyone should be proud of where they come from (unless they`re french). Not sure about the `tea baggers`- that means something completely different in English slang...
  173. Profile photo of jeanniemlee
    jeanniemlee Female 30-39
    6 posts
    June 10, 2010 at 7:40 am
    OK. I`m not going to make any statements for or against the speaker, the "singer" or the ideals. That said... forward to 1:52. Man in light blue shirt with the white beard. That`s my daddy. :) For real!
  174. Profile photo of CrakrJak
    CrakrJak Male 40-49
    17514 posts
    June 10, 2010 at 7:57 am
    Musuko42 & Baalthazaq: You go write Rasmussen and tell them how bad their statistics are then.

    As I predicted neither of you would accept them, You can`t, Otherwise you`d have to accept the fact you`re wrong.

    at least Baalthazaq admitted he was in error, But I`m sure he still won`t issue an apology for it.

    Madest: The tea party is NOT racist in any way. Unless of course you count the criticism of `Dear Leader` as racism, In which case the criticism of his policies is growing daily even by those that once supported him.
  175. Profile photo of Brassbull
    Brassbull Male 30-39
    1610 posts
    June 10, 2010 at 8:00 am
    if these extremists who want no religion in government get their way, do we know how far they will go after that?

    First off, wanting to keep religion and government separate does not make one an extremist.

    Second, church and state HAVE been separate since we adopted the constitution. YOU are the extremist who is trying to change something.
  176. Profile photo of Oystah
    Oystah Female 40-49
    4032 posts
    June 10, 2010 at 8:06 am
    Nice pipes Gramps!
  177. Profile photo of DaBigMachine
    DaBigMachine Male 30-39
    125 posts
    June 10, 2010 at 8:23 am
    @Baalthazaq: Regarding the `Contract For America` 10 platform points; your response made no sense. What opinions you did express, you expressed as facts without sighting any sources.

    Ex. "The only idea they have is to cap the number of words in the code governing it to 4543 words. Because thats how many words are in the constitution."

    Source?

    Ex. "The ideas, are universally, bad ones. Though they do say constitution 11 times."

    So cutting spending, being fiscally responsible, abiding by OUR Constitution are bad ideas? Really?! It`s that kind of thinking that has OUR nations debt growing by $4.9 BILLION EVERY DAY!
  178. Profile photo of DaBigMachine
    DaBigMachine Male 30-39
    125 posts
    June 10, 2010 at 8:31 am
    "Just like a group of racists to put forth a black guy to prove how non-racist they are..."

    Madest, do you sometims just not think at all when you reply? These people weren`t broadcasting this event for national television to prove that their not racist. You really think that a bunch of racists would politely watch a speaker that they supposedly hate? That speaker, who happens to be black, shares the same moral and political thoughts/feelings as that audience, that happens to be mostly white. There is NO racism there, unlike a certain, liberal, Helen Thomas...
  179. Profile photo of Sonsglow
    Sonsglow Male 18-29
    201 posts
    June 10, 2010 at 8:33 am
    What`s the point of this?
  180. Profile photo of DaBigMachine
    DaBigMachine Male 30-39
    125 posts
    June 10, 2010 at 8:35 am
    "If that were true then the tea party would have formed under George Bush and elected Ron Paul in the primaries. Instead they waited until the black guy was elected."

    They formed because they didn`t like EITHER candidate. A lot of Republicans didn`t like McCain`s policies. He didn`t differentiate himself from Obama, who ran on a more moderate platform and went left of those campaign promises as soon as he got into office.
  181. Profile photo of nonamewillfi
    nonamewillfi Male 13-17
    1404 posts
    June 10, 2010 at 8:43 am
    I`m trying to decide if it`s true that there`s another verse.
  182. Profile photo of ace420
    ace420 Male 30-39
    69 posts
    June 10, 2010 at 8:56 am
    STUPID THEISTS HAVE NO CLUE. THEY DON`T UNDERSTAND SO THEY LABEL EVERYTHING THEY DON`T KNOW AS GOD.
  183. Profile photo of auburnjunky
    auburnjunky Male 30-39
    10339 posts
    June 10, 2010 at 9:21 am
    Time to stop Madest. Pick your battles sir.
  184. Profile photo of pizzabob18
    pizzabob18 Male 18-29
    366 posts
    June 10, 2010 at 9:31 am
    This video is embarrassing. I honestly think it`s sad that other countries stereotype America as being made up of these loony tea party members.
  185. Profile photo of DaBigMachine
    DaBigMachine Male 30-39
    125 posts
    June 10, 2010 at 9:31 am
    @m(s)adest: "It was a white republican religious zealot who destroyed the economy and bailed out companies with taxpayer dollars."

    Really? Because he only signed off on bills sent to him by a Democratically run Congress (BOTH houses since 2006) and conceded the bailout spending to the Obama administration.

    "Your dream of a Christian nation was doomed when the Christian turned out to be an empty headed moron. Shouldn`t you be busy looking at Sarah Palins new boobs?"

    BTW, nice display of racism, prejudice, shovanism and bigotry on your part. The exact same things I believe you accuse (project upon) the Tea Partiers.
  186. Profile photo of CrakrJak
    CrakrJak Male 40-49
    17514 posts
    June 10, 2010 at 9:31 am
    madest: The idea of the `Tea Party` came from Rick Santelli of CNBC on the floor of the Chicago Exchange back in Feb. 19 2009. It had nothing to do with a `black man` as president, It has to do with tax payer dollars bailing out banks that didn`t practice sound lending policy and gave mortgages to people that couldn`t even prove their income.

    Video
  187. Profile photo of Webz
    Webz Male 18-29
    542 posts
    June 10, 2010 at 9:36 am
    @Lellin

    It`s not called `weird`. It`s a different culture. And you brits like to call US ignorant and close-minded.
  188. Profile photo of sssfdg
    sssfdg Male 18-29
    190 posts
    June 10, 2010 at 9:42 am
    I agree with CrakrJak...

    These people still scare me though. The TeaParty or TeaBagger movement is still full of extreme right wing religious zealots. And nothing scares me more then an extreme right (or left) group. It`s those parties and movements that created all the worst dictatorship`s... Nazi Germany, Rwanda, Yugoslavia, Stalin, etc... etc... etc...

    Further more its the extreme Christian right that is against the extreme Muslim right.... It just doesn`t make sense to me..... but I don`t have religion clouding my judgement.
  189. Profile photo of mcfudge
    mcfudge Male 18-29
    537 posts
    June 10, 2010 at 9:48 am
    *yawn...

    When the hell did IAB become so political?
  190. Profile photo of Denogginizer
    Denogginizer Male 30-39
    821 posts
    June 10, 2010 at 10:09 am
    "When the hell did IAB become so political?"
    IAB has always been political, it`s just not mocking the right this time. Shame on all of you making fun of this guy for his love of his country. Watch that video again and you`ll see all ages and races, together under the shared concern for the future of the country. It`s amazing how on one hand you people preach tolerance and open-mindedness, yet viciously attack people with faith in something outside them selves.
  191. Profile photo of DaBigMachine
    DaBigMachine Male 30-39
    125 posts
    June 10, 2010 at 10:36 am
    m(s)adest, I think you specialize in talking out your arss. Again, no proof, no links just hateful vitriol. You`re becoming a satyr or yourself.
  192. Profile photo of DaBigMachine
    DaBigMachine Male 30-39
    125 posts
    June 10, 2010 at 11:00 am
    m(s)adist: I was referring to this part of the quote for proof:

    "The (lovely) Teabag(members) were formed through FoxNews racist division. They subsequently grew too racist for Fox."

    Though I suspect you rather enjoyed researching your first link (which was just to a Google search). As for the Harry Reid situation; that`s yet to be seen.
  193. Profile photo of megavidiot
    megavidiot Male 30-39
    901 posts
    June 10, 2010 at 11:03 am
    what the Tea party? and when the hell did you guys get a second verse?!?! I want one!!!
  194. Profile photo of TR-Wolf
    TR-Wolf Male 18-29
    1557 posts
    June 10, 2010 at 11:19 am
    The kid in the background with his fingers in his ears is the best part.
  195. Profile photo of auburnjunky
    auburnjunky Male 30-39
    10339 posts
    June 10, 2010 at 11:20 am
    Obama doesn`t have a chance if he doesn`t get those approval numbers up.

    http://tinyurl.com/5tnd2b
  196. Profile photo of sheaton319
    sheaton319 Male 18-29
    560 posts
    June 10, 2010 at 11:26 am
    lololol @madest

    u mad?

    butthurt demacrats need to realize that while republicans arent great, they are a hell of a lot better than the dems

    RON PAUL FOR PRESIDENT
  197. Profile photo of DaBigMachine
    DaBigMachine Male 30-39
    125 posts
    June 10, 2010 at 11:28 am
    m(s)adest, actually I was a Centrist, who actually believed Obama`s campaign promises (lies) and voted for him. I am not a Tea Partier, but I do agree with their Contract From America (I posted earlier). It was Obama that shoved me to the right because of his broken campaign promises and his misrepresentation of being a moderate. I ignored the conservatives spokespeople that said he had the most "liberal voting record in Congress" thinking it was spin. I gave him the benefit of the doubt against the claims that he associated with Marxists/Socialist. Since then, I`ve not been ignoring the facts, and the facts tell me that ANYTHING that comes from a "Progressive" is counter to almost everything this country was built on. Obama`s current polls show what the majority thinks (and a lot of them were also fooled into voting for him, but I`ll bet they won`t be fooled again). So let`s just say I`ve gotten informed as quickly as possible.
  198. Profile photo of DaBigMachine
    DaBigMachine Male 30-39
    125 posts
    June 10, 2010 at 11:35 am
    I might one day (not anytime soon) vote again for a moderate (as right leaning as possible) Democrat, but I`ll NEVER vote for a "Progressive" Democrat. There`s a big difference between the two. It`s the Progressives that are the internal cancer of the Democratic party and of this nation. The Democratic party today is NOT the same Democratic party of even 10 years ago.
  199. Profile photo of edana42
    edana42 Female 50-59
    2509 posts
    June 10, 2010 at 11:37 am
    "(and a lot of them were also fooled into voting for him, but I`ll bet they won`t be fooled again). "

    Wait and see, I said the same thing about Clinton.
  200. Profile photo of auburnjunky
    auburnjunky Male 30-39
    10339 posts
    June 10, 2010 at 11:42 am
    @edana:

    The problem is, Clinton wasn`t as bat-sheet crazy as Obama is during his first term.
  201. Profile photo of Loxen
    Loxen Female 30-39
    1387 posts
    June 10, 2010 at 11:50 am
    Play ball! oh...waitwhut?
  202. Profile photo of auburnjunky
    auburnjunky Male 30-39
    10339 posts
    June 10, 2010 at 11:56 am
    LOL madest. Some of us just couldn`t bring ourselves to vote for McCain.

    I never abstain when there is a vote for president. maybe he couldn`t either.
  203. Profile photo of CrakrJak
    CrakrJak Male 40-49
    17514 posts
    June 10, 2010 at 12:05 pm
    DaBigMachine: Welcome to ranks of the non-brainwashed :-)
  204. Profile photo of Bahmook
    Bahmook Male 18-29
    19 posts
    June 10, 2010 at 12:06 pm
    @AuburnJunky

    That poll is a little misleading. While it does say that your pres has a rating of -17, they arrive at that number by subtracting the strongly disapprove from the strongly approve. This completely ignores the middle (something that is sadly done too often in both of our countries). Yet if you look at the Trends, you will see that the approval has been hovering just below fifty percent for a while now. Plus, he still has 2.5 years in office.

    Believe me, I wish you could have a complete overhaul of your government, cause it screws too many things in my country up. But that is frankly unrealistic and idealist. We all know nothing is going to happen until you fix the campaign finance issue, which is a bipartisan cluster-drat. So no, nothing is going to change.
  205. Profile photo of DaBigMachine
    DaBigMachine Male 30-39
    125 posts
    June 10, 2010 at 12:15 pm
    "OK wait one damn minute...
    You voted for a guy who promised national healthcare?"

    The Health Care plan he campaigned on and the one we got were two TOTALLY different things.

    "You voted for the closing of Guantanamo?"

    I knew we were just going to have to stick them in another secure prison somewhere. So, whatever.

    "You voted for allowing gays to serve openly in the military?"

    Admittedly, I was ill informed on this, but "whatever" on this subject. I believe all (at least 99%) military know how to conduct themselves appropriately regardless of their political, religious and/or sexual preferences. (cont.)
  206. Profile photo of DaBigMachine
    DaBigMachine Male 30-39
    125 posts
    June 10, 2010 at 12:24 pm
    "You voted for the eventual end to the wars in Iraq and Afghanistan?"

    Sure, but I don`t want our troops to be there forever, but I don`t want the US to leave a job undone that would allow those countries to be retaken by Extremists who would want to harm innocent civilians further.

    "You voted for an energy program that increases green energy?"

    Yes, I`m for green energy. NOT for Crap-and-Trade.

    "You voted for a president who promised to fight for an end to DOMA?"

    Obama has iterated several times he opposes gay marriage (source). But, with all his double speak I probably missed something here also.

    "You sir are not a centrist. You are a died in the rough screaming eagle democrat. Hell you may be more liberal than me. Congratulations!"

    Clearl
  207. Profile photo of DaBigMachine
    DaBigMachine Male 30-39
    125 posts
    June 10, 2010 at 12:30 pm
    "You sir are not a centrist. You are a died in the rough screaming eagle democrat. Hell you may be more liberal than me. Congratulations!"

    Clearly if that were the case Obama and this Democratic (Progressive) Congress have cured me of it. Obama`s campaign was filled with enough double talk, half truths and flat out lies, that someone not paying close attention (like me) would be fooled into thinking he was a moderate. The media didn`t ask him any pointed, tough questions to nail him down on anything. McCain seemed just as inept as Obama, so I thought, "Well, give this guy a try, what can it hurt?" Now I know... it hurts bad, really bad.
  208. Profile photo of CrakrJak
    CrakrJak Male 40-49
    17514 posts
    June 10, 2010 at 12:31 pm
    ...The media didn`t ask him any pointed, tough questions to nail him down on anything.

    And now that few reporters are asking the pointed questions, It`s like trying to nail Jello to a wall.
  209. Profile photo of DaBigMachine
    DaBigMachine Male 30-39
    125 posts
    June 10, 2010 at 12:36 pm
    CJ, that`s how it was the whole time! Even on easy questions. Unless, he knew it would be a somewhat popular response, his answers were always ambiguous.
  210. Profile photo of DaBigMachine
    DaBigMachine Male 30-39
    125 posts
    June 10, 2010 at 12:38 pm
    sadest, I picture you as the ultimate troll.
  211. Profile photo of Ozmose
    Ozmose Male 30-39
    448 posts
    June 10, 2010 at 12:41 pm
    It`s sad that people believe that this drivel actually has some kind of meaning. If you actually think the founding of this country was based on good christian values, you clearly know nothing about our founding fathers. If they were alive today, we`d call them terrorists and black bag them off to some secret prison.

    If you think I`m wrong. Google this.

    Ben Franklin and His Membership in "The Hellfire Club"
  212. Profile photo of DaBigMachine
    DaBigMachine Male 30-39
    125 posts
    June 10, 2010 at 12:42 pm
    sadest, I picture you as the ultimate troll.

    What you`re going to discover is a whole lot of Centrists/Libertarians/Independents, etc., like me, that will be changing their votes for "moderate Democrats" (which I believe doesn`t exist anymore) for Republicans. Remember this come November. Democrat/Progressives have done everything possible to alienate people like me.
  213. Profile photo of auburnjunky
    auburnjunky Male 30-39
    10339 posts
    June 10, 2010 at 12:42 pm
    Obvious troll is obvious.
  214. Profile photo of QueenZira
    QueenZira Female 18-29
    2228 posts
    June 10, 2010 at 12:43 pm
    Whoa, a black dude at a tea party event? Maybe `baggers learned to keep the white sheets at home now?
  215. Profile photo of Bahmook
    Bahmook Male 18-29
    19 posts
    June 10, 2010 at 12:44 pm
    Madest, the second you start trying to issue an intelligence test for voting you lose all credibility. If you were naive enough to not know that all politicians pander to their respective sides and then run to the middle to get enough votes to pass anything, then maybe you should think about your responsibility to be an informed voter...

    Just start voting outside the box. A vote for a democrat or a republican is the only way you can waste your vote
  216. Profile photo of auburnjunky
    auburnjunky Male 30-39
    10339 posts
    June 10, 2010 at 12:49 pm
    @bahmook:

    The problem with that, is until everyone does that, a vote that is not rep or dem is a wasted vote.
  217. Profile photo of DaBigMachine
    DaBigMachine Male 30-39
    125 posts
    June 10, 2010 at 12:49 pm
    @Ozmose:

    "If you think I`m wrong. Google this. Ben Franklin and His Membership in "The Hellfire Club"

    I do think you`re wrong and I did Google that. This is from Wikipedia...

    "The Hellfire Club was a name for several exclusive clubs for high society rakes established in Britain and Ireland in the 18th century.

    Benjamin Franklin is also said to have occasionally attended the club`s meetings during 1758 as a non-member during his time in England. However, some authors and historians would argue Benjamin Franklin was in fact a spy"

    There`s no proof for your claims to slander AMERICAN founders in that.
  218. Profile photo of SheaSF
    SheaSF Male 40-49
    98 posts
    June 10, 2010 at 12:56 pm
    The Star Spangled Banner wasn`t adopted until the 1930s. It is no more an indication of the United States being a Christian nation than the adding of "under God" to the Pledge of Allegiance in the 40s. Another example of Tea Partier`s complete ignorance of the actual history of the United States. This religious bigotry makes me sick to my stomach.
  219. Profile photo of auburnjunky
    auburnjunky Male 30-39
    10339 posts
    June 10, 2010 at 1:02 pm
    @shea:

    Wait, What?
  220. Profile photo of DaBigMachine
    DaBigMachine Male 30-39
    125 posts
    June 10, 2010 at 1:05 pm
    In response to SheaSF:

    Will someone please tell me how having the word "God" in anything hurts? Christians may have put it in, but "God" is pretty generic to most religions. It`s not like they said, "In Jesus We Trust" or "One Nation Under Jesus". And frankly, why do Atheists care? If you don`t believe in God, then go on your merry way. It`s not like Christians pull you over and tell you to become a Christian also or they`ll kill you.
  221. Profile photo of Bahmook
    Bahmook Male 18-29
    19 posts
    June 10, 2010 at 1:06 pm
    I don`t think I was the only one that didn`t get that it was a joke...please try to be a little more clear as sarcasm doesn`t come across too well on the internets. Besides, it`s a form of humor that is overused and boring.

    If you want to see real political humor watch Robert Gibbs talking to Hannity
    and if you don`t get why it`s funny watch Rachel Maddow explains why it`s funny
  222. Profile photo of Ozmose
    Ozmose Male 30-39
    448 posts
    June 10, 2010 at 1:08 pm
    Wow, just the fact that you would use wikipedia says volumes about your fact finding skills.
    Here`s a more detailed 3 page article on Franklin.


    Link
  223. Profile photo of DaBigMachine
    DaBigMachine Male 30-39
    125 posts
    June 10, 2010 at 1:09 pm
    The evolution of an internet troll:

    madest ---> sadest ----> trollest
  224. Profile photo of Bahmook
    Bahmook Male 18-29
    19 posts
    June 10, 2010 at 1:11 pm
    @ DaBigMachine

    The issue with having god in anything is precisely that it implies that one believes in god. When it is not their, religious folk can very well affirm that their love of their country is under god. But that it is in a state pledge means that for a non-believer (sane person) to say it, mean that they have to lie/misrepresent themselves during what should be an oath to ones country.
  225. Profile photo of DaBigMachine
    DaBigMachine Male 30-39
    125 posts
    June 10, 2010 at 1:15 pm
    Ozmose, you think that`s a valid, journalistic link???

    "Although Associated Content does provide a valuable service, given that its contributors are NOT necessarily journalists, the company is somewhat limited." --Source
  226. Profile photo of Kaonin-Kun
    Kaonin-Kun Male 13-17
    49 posts
    June 10, 2010 at 1:21 pm
    Your not a chritian country, Your originaly free-mason...
  227. Profile photo of Bahmook
    Bahmook Male 18-29
    19 posts
    June 10, 2010 at 1:22 pm
    @Maddest

    If you look at my age, you might realize that at best Bob and Doug went off air when I was at the oldest of four....and if you think that`s where canadian influences in comedy end, then that`s just sad.

    Please start making comments that amount to more then...
  228. Profile photo of auburnjunky
    auburnjunky Male 30-39
    10339 posts
    June 10, 2010 at 1:29 pm
    @madest:

    I don`t hate Obama. I do think he is unqualified and he is fudgeing up as president on a level not seen since Carter.

    I wish he would do better.

    That being said, Obvious troll is obvious.
  229. Profile photo of Ozmose
    Ozmose Male 30-39
    448 posts
    June 10, 2010 at 1:35 pm
    I just used that article as another example. There`s about a million more I could post. The fact of the matter is the evidence of him being a member is vast. Just because you don`t like it, doesn`t make it false. Reality doesn`t bend to your whim.
  230. Profile photo of Bahmook
    Bahmook Male 18-29
    19 posts
    June 10, 2010 at 1:46 pm
    Lorne Michaels (created SNL), Seth Rogan, Ryan Renolds, Russel Peters, Samantha Bee....if you don`t think they`re funny then you (as I suspect) have no soul. I`m not saying that American`s don`t produce comedians, but they tend to be of the caliber of Dane Cook

    Seriously, I hate to go grammar nazi on you but

    Ok.. It`s madest (one D). Than (with an A)(Than is a comparative conjunction, ie. greater than. Then is what one says to state a conclusion) and I hate to break it to you but you`re from Canada. It`s not really a hotbed of cutting edge comedy. I might not be a comedian but(,) you sir(,) are a dullard.

    Ok, that didn`t feel good...I`ve walked under the troll bridge. You`re right, I may be a dullard, but you really are an idiot. I`m not really a dullard, but you make me feel like I`m talking to a child, it`s hard to be funny when I`m trying to dumb everything down to terms you can understand.
  231. Profile photo of Bahmook
    Bahmook Male 18-29
    19 posts
    June 10, 2010 at 2:16 pm
    I didn`t forget them, you just said that it wasn`t current...had I said them, you would`ve said that they were all famous like 20 years ago and aren`t producing anything anymore...Your trolling is getting worse


  232. Profile photo of DaBigMachine
    DaBigMachine Male 30-39
    125 posts
    June 10, 2010 at 2:24 pm
    m(s)ad(d)est continues his trolling. Now he`s on to slamming Canadian comedians.
  233. Profile photo of Kougaiji
    Kougaiji Male 18-29
    604 posts
    June 10, 2010 at 2:36 pm
    Madest hasn`t trolled at all. Do you understand the definition of troll? CrackrJack (sp) apparently has never taken a statistics class in his life, so let`s just drop THAT argument, and some of the rest of you don`t realize that not only were many of the founding fathers deists and anti-religious, but most of the "Christian" ones looked beyond their personal moral values and intended to create a nation that is neutral to the religions of migrants.

    PS I am HELLA liberal. I am beyond liberal. Democrats ARE NOT in the most generic sense liberal. Democrats are conservative when compared to any other industrialized nation`s "left" parties. In this nation we have 2 parties, a right-wing "democrat" party and an insane asylum.
  234. Profile photo of auburnjunky
    auburnjunky Male 30-39
    10339 posts
    June 10, 2010 at 2:39 pm
    @kougaiji:

    *facepalm*
  235. Profile photo of Kougaiji
    Kougaiji Male 18-29
    604 posts
    June 10, 2010 at 2:42 pm
    Good job auburn.
  236. Profile photo of auburnjunky
    auburnjunky Male 30-39
    10339 posts
    June 10, 2010 at 2:48 pm
    I had no response for the stupidity.
  237. Profile photo of DaBigMachine
    DaBigMachine Male 30-39
    125 posts
    June 10, 2010 at 2:48 pm
    Kougaiji

    Do you even make sense to yourself?
  238. Profile photo of Kougaiji
    Kougaiji Male 18-29
    604 posts
    June 10, 2010 at 2:50 pm
    And what stupidity is that? I have trouble respecting someone who thinks bush was a better president than obama. You think democrats are liberal? Name one liberal thing they`ve done since Obama took office. One.
  239. Profile photo of auburnjunky
    auburnjunky Male 30-39
    10339 posts
    June 10, 2010 at 2:51 pm
    Bush sucks just as bad.

    Universal Health Care.

    You really are a moron.
  240. Profile photo of Kougaiji
    Kougaiji Male 18-29
    604 posts
    June 10, 2010 at 2:52 pm
    All I see in these comments is a small group of right-wing nutjobs who insult anyone that disagrees with them.
  241. Profile photo of auburnjunky
    auburnjunky Male 30-39
    10339 posts
    June 10, 2010 at 2:53 pm
    @kougaiji:

    Like who, Madest?
  242. Profile photo of DaBigMachine
    DaBigMachine Male 30-39
    125 posts
    June 10, 2010 at 2:53 pm
    Kougaiji

    And then the Pot said to the Kettle, "...
  243. Profile photo of Kougaiji
    Kougaiji Male 18-29
    604 posts
    June 10, 2010 at 2:54 pm
    There is no universal health care, Auburn!

    A liberal policy would be for the government to handle insurance itself, by creating government-run insurance and/or health providers. Mandating that every single citizen is legally required to sign up for corporate insurance is reverse-socialist. It is not liberal. It is corporationist.
  244. Profile photo of auburnjunky
    auburnjunky Male 30-39
    10339 posts
    June 10, 2010 at 2:55 pm
    Okay. Come away from the deep end kougaiji.

    You are going to drown.

  245. Profile photo of auburnjunky
    auburnjunky Male 30-39
    10339 posts
    June 10, 2010 at 2:56 pm
    Obama`s universal health care is designed to make corporate health care bankrupt, thuis making the only provider, government.

    There. Explained.

    I have no more energy to deal with you.
  246. Profile photo of Kougaiji
    Kougaiji Male 18-29
    604 posts
    June 10, 2010 at 2:58 pm
    More insults, and yet over the last, what, 5 posts? You have not addressed or argued a single argument anyone has put forth against your views. How secure do you feel? One thing. C`mon, I`m sure you can argue for it. I have a sizeable enough stack of college history and government books if you need me to back up anything.
  247. Profile photo of Kougaiji
    Kougaiji Male 18-29
    604 posts
    June 10, 2010 at 3:01 pm
    "Obama`s universal health care is designed to make corporate health care bankrupt, thuis making the only provider, government. "
    By legally requiring every citizen pays corporate health insurance? While at the same time corporations may still for the next few years: deny coverage based on pre-existing conditions, "experimental" treatments, deny coverage to children, charge steep prices as they see fit, and set the deductible at whatever level they wish?

    And at the same time citizens are required to buy into an already corrupt program? I wish what you were saying is true, that corporate insurance would go bankrupt. The whole purpose why every clamored for health care reform was because no other nation has to deal with the unreliable, endless-red-tape program of corporate health insurance.
  248. Profile photo of Kougaiji
    Kougaiji Male 18-29
    604 posts
    June 10, 2010 at 3:09 pm
    *grabs popcorn and awaits 2-line nonsensical response from a "conservative"*
  249. Profile photo of DaBigMachine
    DaBigMachine Male 30-39
    125 posts
    June 10, 2010 at 3:11 pm
    *grabs popcorn and awaits 1-line nonsensical response from a "liberal"*
  250. Profile photo of CrakrJak
    CrakrJak Male 40-49
    17514 posts
    June 10, 2010 at 3:14 pm
    Kougaiji: I have a college degree and received an A in statistics (As well as Dean`s list honors).

    Being `Hella` liberal means your beyond the reach of reason and no amount of statistics or facts would ever change your mind.
  251. Profile photo of Kougaiji
    Kougaiji Male 18-29
    604 posts
    June 10, 2010 at 3:15 pm
    I`m originally from Europe, and I go back there a lot. And I attend a pretty good college in a surprisingly blue oasis in a desert of red. I used to identify with libertarianism, and still do in the individual liberty/responsibility sense; however I came to realize that their view of economic theory and, recently, social issues would never really work.
  252. Profile photo of Kougaiji
    Kougaiji Male 18-29
    604 posts
    June 10, 2010 at 3:18 pm
    CrakrJak I already put forth my objection of your interpretation of your statistics, and there is nothing more to be said about how the statistics were "gathered" by Rasmussen; I never argued one way or another on that.

    Auburn: I already responded, and it was longer than a line. Nice try though.
  253. Profile photo of DaBigMachine
    DaBigMachine Male 30-39
    125 posts
    June 10, 2010 at 3:19 pm
    @Kougaiji:

    Explain...
  254. Profile photo of Bahmook
    Bahmook Male 18-29
    19 posts
    June 10, 2010 at 3:22 pm
    Rabble Rabble Health care bad.

    It`s a fundamental problem with American values, that everything has a price....Almost everywhere else in the world thinks that those who work in that industry should be well compensated, but in the states there is a fundamental right to charge whatever price for whatever product. Now, while that does work in an economical classroom, in real life people look at the death vs indebted equation and come out on the indebted side.
  255. Profile photo of sfcg
    sfcg Male 30-39
    796 posts
    June 10, 2010 at 3:24 pm
    wee todd add
  256. Profile photo of Kougaiji
    Kougaiji Male 18-29
    604 posts
    June 10, 2010 at 3:24 pm
    My objection to libertarian economic views is that the idea that a completely free market would always repair itself and do what`s best for the people is wrong. I feel that business that is not under the control of the general public (aka government, if we consider government to be an extension of "The People", as it should be) would quench competition as it grows in strength. Sufficiently powerful business would take control/corrupt government (as you agree we see today) if there was a government around to corrupt, and create a political landscape that benefits the particular business. If we are talking about libertarian-anarchism, then the business would take the place of the government and continue hurting competition.

    we see small facets of this today. Cable companies, oil companies, electricity, insurance, for example, is not competing with each other. They come together, agree on an absurd price level, and we, Americans, get ripped off compared to the rest of t
  257. Profile photo of Kougaiji
    Kougaiji Male 18-29
    604 posts
    June 10, 2010 at 3:29 pm
    That being said, I 100% agree with libertarian views on non-intervention (staying out of treaties and wars). I agree with decreasing the "nanny state" (less censorship, a greater degree of Constitutional rights). I agree that rights should not be sacrifised to keep people from being offended, and keep them safe.

    Honestly, if the election was Ron Paul vs Obama, I would vote Ron Paul.
  258. Profile photo of Kougaiji
    Kougaiji Male 18-29
    604 posts
    June 10, 2010 at 3:33 pm
    Sorry to triple-post, but pretty much just look up Noam Chomsky. I align with his views on just about everything.
  259. Profile photo of Bahmook
    Bahmook Male 18-29
    19 posts
    June 10, 2010 at 3:36 pm
    What about Ron Paul vs. Jesse Ventura?
  260. Profile photo of DaBigMachine
    DaBigMachine Male 30-39
    125 posts
    June 10, 2010 at 3:41 pm
    Kougaiji, I could have sworn you were going off on "right-wing nutjobs" and Conservatives. Then you go and blow my mind by saying you would vote for one?! I`m speechless. I personally wouldn`t vote for Ron Paul in a Republican primary, but if my only choice was between him and Obama, I guess I`d vote for him also.
  261. Profile photo of Kougaiji
    Kougaiji Male 18-29
    604 posts
    June 10, 2010 at 3:51 pm
    Madest, oh yes, Kucinich! Would definitely pick him over paul or Obama. Paul actually had sensible, reasonable points going into the election and actually addressed issues and potential solutions to them before the Tea Party butchered all that is sane or libertarian.

    I vote for idealogues. I know utopias are impossible, but what I like to say is
    "Aim for a Utopia, be unrealistic, and dream. By seeking perfection out of society, you give it direction, reason, and meaning. Living in a practical world without impractical goals is like sitting in an engine-less train and waiting for it to depart."
  262. Profile photo of Bahmook
    Bahmook Male 18-29
    19 posts
    June 10, 2010 at 3:55 pm
    Who said that? I like it
  263. Profile photo of 5Cats
    5Cats Male 50-59
    33126 posts
    June 10, 2010 at 4:20 pm
    Hooray! Everyone got a good look at what the Tea Party is really all about?
    No wonder the liberals and the MSM are pooping thier pants in terror!
  264. Profile photo of DarkFerret
    DarkFerret Male 18-29
    2749 posts
    June 10, 2010 at 4:44 pm
    im not sure i fully understand what just happened...
  265. Profile photo of MountainBord
    MountainBord Female 18-29
    1894 posts
    June 10, 2010 at 4:47 pm
    i found waldo
  266. Profile photo of QueenZira
    QueenZira Female 18-29
    2228 posts
    June 10, 2010 at 5:27 pm
    5Cats: "get a good look at what the tea party is really all about?" Why yes, yes we did, sorta.


  267. Profile photo of banditwing
    banditwing Male 18-29
    50 posts
    June 10, 2010 at 5:40 pm
    the star spangled banner has 4 verses... we commonly only sing the first. entire star spangled banner lyrics
  268. Profile photo of Arandanos
    Arandanos Female 18-29
    223 posts
    June 10, 2010 at 6:40 pm
    That was so very, very touching. That also didn`t make any point or added to the speech whatsoever. It was just touching, impressive, pointless camwhoring.
  269. Profile photo of auburnjunky
    auburnjunky Male 30-39
    10339 posts
    June 10, 2010 at 8:59 pm
    @Kougaiji:

    What color is the sky in your world?

  270. Profile photo of cagel
    cagel Female 18-29
    275 posts
    June 10, 2010 at 9:39 pm
    Dude. Did he just sig heil?
  271. Profile photo of CmdrBittles
    CmdrBittles Female 18-29
    1172 posts
    June 10, 2010 at 9:54 pm
    Bored.
  272. Profile photo of Kougaiji
    Kougaiji Male 18-29
    604 posts
    June 10, 2010 at 11:57 pm
    Honestly, this is a drating pooty I-A-B post. Quit this poo and entertain us ;]
  273. Profile photo of DJL
    DJL Male 30-39
    134 posts
    June 11, 2010 at 12:16 am
    Bittles. No, that`s a raise the hand to God jesture that the thumpers do.
  274. Profile photo of weebazweebaz
    weebazweebaz Male 30-39
    76 posts
    June 11, 2010 at 4:15 am
    holy crap...what a load of poopy poop....land of the free?...tell that to the children you murder everyday in foreign lands
  275. Profile photo of auburnjunky
    auburnjunky Male 30-39
    10339 posts
    June 11, 2010 at 9:40 am
    Okay. The stupidity on this thread is really pathetic.
  276. Profile photo of Lynea
    Lynea Female 18-29
    267 posts
    June 11, 2010 at 6:29 pm
    I can`t believe you called me stupid over this. drat you, Billy. Bitch.
  277. Profile photo of Skyeofgreen
    Skyeofgreen Female 18-29
    209 posts
    June 11, 2010 at 10:17 pm
    Man i was hopin for a fight:-(
  278. Profile photo of duffytoler
    duffytoler Male 40-49
    5195 posts
    June 12, 2010 at 3:25 am
    Actually, there are THREE other verses. This guy`s singing the final verse.

    - not that I`m real sure what the hell any of this was about. It was like watching alzheimer`s patients carry on a group conversation.
  279. Profile photo of auburnjunky
    auburnjunky Male 30-39
    10339 posts
    June 12, 2010 at 12:23 pm
    @Duffy:

    Which verse it is is not the issue.

    It`s what`s said in the verse that matters.

Leave a Reply