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Date: 06/03/10 10:04 AM

54 Responses to Tavis Smiley: Useless Idiot or Terrorist Stooge?

  1. Profile photo of 5Cats
    5Cats Male 50-59
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    June 2, 2010 at 8:44 pm
    Link: Tavis Smiley: Useless Idiot or Terrorist Stooge? - Words fail me after viewing this short clip, he must be a big fan of I-A-B though...
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    paddyboom Male 13-17
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    June 3, 2010 at 6:15 am
    neither, he`s right.
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    deltaumarcus Male 18-29
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    June 3, 2010 at 10:17 am
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    madest Male 40-49
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    June 3, 2010 at 10:20 am
    He takes to large a leap by suggesting that America is a country full of Christians. Other than that violence does seem to be our trademark.
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    sirrix Male 18-29
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    June 3, 2010 at 10:23 am
    He qualifies the statement with "inside this country" which is a huge cop-out. Christians comprise over 75% of this country, so to say that more bad stuff is done by Christians in the US is a no-brainer. He fails to address how the modern-day ideology effects the death toll on a world-wide scale. Useless interview, which is why it`s on than on a real news source. Another IAB political/religious fail.
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    unmercyfuldu Male 18-29
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    June 3, 2010 at 10:25 am
    While statistically speaking he is close to make a point, although I don`t think he even realizes it. While the majority of murders committed in the US are by Christians, in most cases it is not the Christian belief that is compelling people to murder. It is just coincidental. Whereas you have extremist Muslims being raised and taught that killing is a moral thing, and in those cases you can draw solid links to the causation of murder and peg a religious flag on it.
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    greggpethers Male 18-29
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    June 3, 2010 at 10:28 am
    ummm.... difference is, very few christians actually cite god or divine righteous justice as thier reason for doing bad things.

    sure there are crazy muslims, and there are righteous, good and wonderful muslims. Same for christians.

    but there arent any christians going to times square and blowing people up because god will reward them in heaven for doing it.
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    rainbowfarts Female 18-29
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    June 3, 2010 at 10:31 am
    I saw this same lady on Colbert yesterday, have to say I don`t agree with her based on the FULL interview I saw of her on that show.

    Plus I wouldn`t say a 1:15 long clip is long enough to justify calling him an idiot or a terrorist, he could have cleared himself up later.
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    Baelzar Male 40-49
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    June 3, 2010 at 10:48 am
    Travis is committing a logical fallacy; Correlation does not equal Causation.

    I bet those murderers drink milk, too. Does milk cause them to murder? Do they eat potato chips...DO POTATO CHIPS CAUSE THEM TO MURDER?! (gasp)

    I wonder if the christians (assuming they are actually christians) scream GOD IS GREAT GOD IS GREAT in religious ecstasy as they are pulling the trigger?
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    5Cats Male 50-59
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    June 3, 2010 at 10:49 am
    The boys who did Columbine were active Atheists who were very anti-Christian, m-kay?
    Post Office bombings or shootings? By Christians? Every DAY! When`s the last bombing in the USA by a Christian for a "Christian cause"? Don`t say Oklahoma because that was an anti-government cause. McVeigh didn`t shout "In the name of Jesus" as he drove off, eh?
    Tavis shows his true colours here IMO and it isn`t pretty. Allah Akbar!
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    pmarren Male 40-49
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    June 3, 2010 at 10:50 am
    I`d kill for some potato chips right now.
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    davymid Male 30-39
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    June 3, 2010 at 11:21 am
    Wait, what?
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    Elriuhilu Male 18-29
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    June 3, 2010 at 11:24 am
    amen to that pmarren
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    MrsPoods Female 18-29
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    June 3, 2010 at 11:27 am
    People have tried to kill in the name of every God-fearing religion at one point or another.
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    Pooptart19 Male 18-29
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    June 3, 2010 at 11:28 am
    Columbine was done by Christians? WTF? Does he know something we don`t?!
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    DFins Male 30-39
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    June 3, 2010 at 11:31 am
    I heard that they all had one thing in common. They had all recently renounced Christianity and Praised allah just before going insane! Put that in your hooka and smoke it. Praise be unto shmohamed.
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    moefreak Female 18-29
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    June 3, 2010 at 11:33 am
    He is right that more Christians have committed acts of mass murder within the US than Muslims. That`s just a pretty obvious fact. However, I`m not entirely sure what he was implying with that (since I haven`t seen more than this clip).

    The whole "every day" comment is clearly not true.

    My general sentiment is that Americans are so good at killing each other, they really don`t have that much to fear from extremist Muslims.
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    a1butcher Male 40-49
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    June 3, 2010 at 11:36 am
    I`m gonna have to agree with pmarrens comment 100%!!
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    RevWubby Male 30-39
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    June 3, 2010 at 11:52 am
    Western liberal Christianity (which is the majority of Christianity in the US today) is much calmer and less violent than even the moderate Islam in much of the world. So Ms. Ali may have been pointing that out in the interview.

    But it certainly seem as if western Christians have fatwa-envy and are trying desperately to catch-up. Many are just one sermon away from strapping a bomb to their chest and walking into a Walmart.
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    jamie76 Male 30-39
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    June 3, 2010 at 12:01 pm
    I do agree that christians need to take a look at their own poo and realize it smells just as bad but there is no proof that a person who attacks a post office or a school shooting is carried out by Christians...that is just another belief by Christians, that is, that everyone here in the US is one...

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    jondegi Female 18-29
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    June 3, 2010 at 12:02 pm
    His facts aren`t exactly on the spot, but he has a valid point. No need to face palm him.

    Read this article, guys.

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    Lukgeezy Male 18-29
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    June 3, 2010 at 12:25 pm
    yes ..Christians have forced their view on more ppl than any other me it`s in the bible......
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    HalfSandwich Male 18-29
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    June 3, 2010 at 12:42 pm
    if you watched this and didn`t go "wow this guy is an idiot" than you are a lost cause and you should probably empty your pee jars before you spend the rest of your day blogging and hoping for james cameron to fix the oil spill.

    for the rest of you, try not to get to that point.
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    Fatninja01 Male 30-39
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    June 3, 2010 at 12:53 pm
    Him, yes im expecting the IAB religios debate!
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    benjbenj Male 30-39
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    June 3, 2010 at 12:59 pm
    Interesting article, jondegi. Thanks!
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    Gerry1of1 Male 50-59
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    June 3, 2010 at 1:47 pm
    well, this made my point for me...

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    stagefreak Male 18-29
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    June 3, 2010 at 2:16 pm
    i knew there was a reason I didn`t watch this show.
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    vorpalsword Male 18-29
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    June 3, 2010 at 3:10 pm
    never cared about this guy and never will
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    CrakrJak Male 40-49
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    June 3, 2010 at 3:25 pm
    I vote both, Useless Idiot & Terrorist Stooge.
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    TalcumX Male 50-59
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    June 3, 2010 at 3:45 pm
    Yay Halfsandwich.....mmmm potato chips
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    citizen_kane Male 18-29
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    June 3, 2010 at 3:48 pm
    enough with the traffic-improving controversial links!
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    needles_nny Male 18-29
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    June 3, 2010 at 4:02 pm
    columbine was killing christians not christians killing
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    mar95789 Female 18-29
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    June 3, 2010 at 4:18 pm
    maybe someone needs to define "Christian"
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    TalcumX Male 50-59
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    June 3, 2010 at 4:26 pm
    to label him an idiot would be a disservice to idiots everywhere
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    minimullen34 Male 18-29
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    June 3, 2010 at 4:30 pm
    What an ass-hat. Maybe he shouldn`t talk.
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    patticakes Female 18-29
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    June 3, 2010 at 4:31 pm
    Another brain damaged liberal stooge.
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    AnwarNova Male 18-29
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    June 3, 2010 at 4:32 pm
    lol columbine
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    5Cats Male 50-59
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    June 3, 2010 at 4:36 pm
    @citizen_kane only anti-Christian links get traffic, these anti-idiot links are pretty quiet...
    @jondigi Nice link, but there`s NO Christians listed there (outside the 16% possibly) Leftists and Latinos are responsible for the HUGE majority of terrorism in the USA? And people are p*ssing on Arizon for trying to close the border (to ILLEGALS!).
    Also, I think if you factor in the number of people killed, the Muslims EASILY take the lead, eh?
    @needle_nny Exactly! Which makes Tavis... an idiot!
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    Zepher Female 18-29
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    June 3, 2010 at 4:50 pm
    Tavis Smiley is an odd duck... and Charlie Rose > Tavis Smiley
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    pnolan Male 18-29
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    June 3, 2010 at 4:51 pm
    Perhaps he is an idiot for saying "Columbine," but if you consider his point, he is correct.

    He wasn`t saying that there are more crimes committed by christians, but that he can find more examples of Christians killing in the name of Christ in modern America than you can find for Muslims doing the same. They committed ONE act, on ONE day INSIDE of our borders.

    You guys are forgetting about the Ku Klux Klan, who are known as a racist group, but are in fact a religious one. You are forgetting about the Army of God, who bombed abortion clinics and Eric Rudolph, who bombed the 1996 Atlanta Olympics. You have forgotten Scott Roeder, who killed one of the last few doctors who performed late term abortions (for health reasons only.) And seriously, did you forget about the Hutaree? You know, the cult that was planning on a massacre of police officers?

    Also if you read the article that jondegi posted, consider that most Latinos are christian.
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    aseirinn Male 70 & Over
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    June 3, 2010 at 4:54 pm
    i thought he had a point...but at colombine they didnt act because of theyre faith...on the other hand look at the atrocity of the iraqi invasion, thousands of civilians killed suposedly for theyre ultimate freedom...terrosism had may many facets, everyone should be aware of this fact...
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    inaria Female 18-29
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    June 3, 2010 at 4:57 pm
    Ugh. He should really research before he speaks.
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    5Cats Male 50-59
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    June 3, 2010 at 5:15 pm
    one of the last few doctors who performed late term abortions (for health reasons only.)
    You delude yourself. A) there`s about 400 of these "partial induction abortions" in the USA every year. B) here in Canada there is NO LAW covering abortion of any form, except that the government pays for it.

    Yeah Zepher! Charlie is a good fellow, best interviewer on TV these days.
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    pnolan Male 18-29
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    June 3, 2010 at 5:31 pm
    There were three clinics that still offered the service of late term abortions. George Tiller ran one of these.

    Perhaps some of those 400 were done outside of these clinics, but as far as I know, if you need one of these procedures performed, you have to go to one of those clinics.
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    jayme21 Male 18-29
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    June 3, 2010 at 5:58 pm
    @jondegi That accounts for act`s of terrorism succeeded( actually committed ) and not attempted. It also doesn`t include whether people were attacked or not i.e IRA blew up your building but rung you to tell you they were going to do it. 9/11 they didn`t ring ahead to the towers to say they were coming.
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    necrobitch Female 18-29
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    June 3, 2010 at 6:57 pm
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    davymid Male 30-39
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    June 3, 2010 at 8:20 pm
    vv "IRA blew up your building but rung you to tell you they were going to do it."

    The IRA? Don`t make me laugh. They more often than not rung in false bomb warnings in a focussed effort to deliberately send civilians and security personnel to their death due to secondary planted devices. Take it from a guy who grew up in Belfast.
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    davymid Male 30-39
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    June 3, 2010 at 8:26 pm
    Sorry for double post, but I have to disagree with the fella here: sure, maybe more acts of terrorism have been committed by "Christians" (or at least, they would appear as Christians on a census), but they didn`t commit their acts of terrorism in the name of Christianity. It simply wasn`t their driving factor. The same cannot be said for fundamentalist Islamic terrorists. I doubt very much that the Columbine attackers waded into the school crying "Praise be to God"... I`ll lay money down that the 9-11 bombers were sky-mumbling verses from the koran all the way into impact with the WTC.

    And this is coming from a staunch atheist, even anti-theist (as unpopular as that position is, growing up in Northern Ireland in the 70s-90s tends to have that effect).
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    britt566 Female 18-29
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    June 3, 2010 at 8:35 pm
    completely agree with pmarren on this one.
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    OldOllie Male 60-69
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    June 3, 2010 at 10:06 pm
    Calling Tavis Smiley a "Useless Idiot" is an insult to useless idiots.
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    jib Male 18-29
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    June 3, 2010 at 10:32 pm
    Yeah I agree with daymid, there are loads of incidents, like Columbine, where people were murdered, but it probably wasn`t in the name of God. You also have to take into account, that some parents make thier children Christian from a young age so the child has no say. By the time they grow up they could be a twisted little F**k that is still techinically "Christian" although they could give a rats ass about religion
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    Dead-Kittens Male 30-39
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    June 3, 2010 at 10:36 pm
    Single greatest infiltration of the US government including FBI and CIA was none other the Church of Scientology. /relevant.
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    pnolan Male 18-29
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    June 3, 2010 at 11:06 pm
    I don`t mean to be patronizing- seriously.
    Columbine was committed by atheists, and they shot a girl after asking her if she believed in god. Tavis Smiley was TOTALLY wrong to mention that.

    These people are blowing up abortion clinics and killing jews and shooting people in the name of God, because they feel that it is their responsibility as dictated by God.
    Are they true Christians? Yes. Do they follow the bible word for word? No.
    Their religious status can`t be discredited because it`s convenient. Muslims feel the SAME way about the Muslims who committed the 9/11 terrorist attacks, and the other limited attacks in our country, but SO many Christians feel like it is their power to judge. It might not be TRUE, by the book Christianity, but it was still what motivated them to do these things.
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    Fartman51 Male 13-17
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    June 3, 2010 at 11:33 pm
    I think that Christians used to be total jerks (not an opinion, look at the Crusades and the Inquisitions), but now most of them are not that crazy. Judging from that, I think it`s likely that soon (give it a hundred-ish years), the vast majority of Muslims will be more calm and peaceful too. Of course, right now the majority of them already ARE, but the extremists within their religion have no way to politically and diplomatically vent their anger. Thus, it gets channeled into ways they can vent their anger, i.e. terrorism.
    But once more of the Middle East has stable governments, more of the Islamic extremists will be able to get their opinions stated on polls and votes instead of bombs and bullets, just like most insane Christian groups in the United States do.
    Really, Muslims and Christians probably have the same percentage of crazy people, but Christians can voice their opinion more easily.

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