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144 Responses to Religion!

  1. Profile photo of Noamfer
    Noamfer Male 13-17
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    June 21, 2010 at 12:47 pm
    Link: Religion! - The most useful thing on earth! And it`s all FREE!
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    ggolbez Male 18-29
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    June 22, 2010 at 7:46 am
    Nice
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    duffytoler Male 40-49
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    June 22, 2010 at 7:49 am
    Almost all the same. One of them tells its followers to murder everyone who doesn`t belong to it.
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    The_Garuness Male 18-29
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    June 22, 2010 at 7:50 am
    Heh,heh. Right, im outta here before the flame war starts. *runs away*
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    cobrakiller Male 18-29
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    June 22, 2010 at 7:53 am
    wow, i dont see people arguing in this forum at all.
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    pui Female 18-29
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    June 22, 2010 at 7:55 am
    *sigh* more lack of understanding.
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    unlk Male 18-29
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    June 22, 2010 at 7:59 am
    haha "annoying brain washed kids"
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    Thesphinx Male 18-29
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    June 22, 2010 at 7:59 am
    How is this stuff even funny...? I mean I`m agnostic and even I feel this is stupid close-minded preaching. Typical "All religions are evil and they`re going to destroy the world" nonsense that talks about what people thousands and thousands of years ago did to say that all religions are bad and must be eliminated. ...
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    Angelmassb Male 18-29
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    June 22, 2010 at 8:04 am
    This is so ooooollddd
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    _kiersten_ Female 18-29
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    June 22, 2010 at 8:09 am
    Right...Because all religion is like that, obviously. -rolls eyes- I can see how they tried to be funny but this just came off as them being complete ass-holes who make fun of religion because its the "hip" thing to do.
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    NotAllowed Female 18-29
    526 posts
    June 22, 2010 at 8:09 am
    lol! i really liked that cross rape drawing...
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    Cajun247 Male 18-29
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    June 22, 2010 at 8:10 am
    Well this just paints religious people with such a broad stroke.
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    msimmons Male 18-29
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    June 22, 2010 at 8:14 am
    @"How is this stuff even funny...?"
    Go to 1:07 in the video.
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    Barnk Male 30-39
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    June 22, 2010 at 8:19 am
    I hate parodies that take this fake commercial format. Especially ones that start with "Do you ___ ? Then you need ___!" and contain "but wait, there`s more!" That advertising strategy has been out of style since the 60s. The parody format is itself now a worn cliche.
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    Gerry1of1 Male 50-59
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    June 22, 2010 at 8:26 am
    well, that`s just one side. and a pretty prejudiced view if you ask me.

    on the other hand...

    it`s possible that God would set up a system where the VAST majority of people will fail and face eternal punishment.

    I don`t buy it but it`s possible.
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    jamie76 Male 30-39
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    June 22, 2010 at 8:31 am
    Athiest-really, does it piss you off that much that there are people in this world that believe differently then you do and find happiness in it?

    and don;t give me this religion starts war crap because that simply is not the case. PEOPLE start wars and uses excuses, such as religion, but ultimately most wars are fought over fear and RESOURCES/POWER.

    Also Atheist, the hatred that spews outta of you towards other religions (yes yours is one too) is exactly HOW RELGIOUS WARS ARE STARTED. You keep pounding away at one religious group and eventually they are going to hit you back.
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    Thesphinx Male 18-29
    353 posts
    June 22, 2010 at 8:33 am
    @jamie76

    Agree with this completely. There`s no proof one way or the other. If you act completely like you`re right, then you`re wrong. If your opponents act completely like they`re right, they`re wrong. It`s not about who`s right. It`s about who`s more confident in being right despite a complete lack of evidence one way or the other.
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    jamie76 Male 30-39
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    June 22, 2010 at 8:34 am
    I have become aware that to be an atheist you not only have to NOT believe in a divine power but you also have to be a BIGOT. yes that`s right, you have to HATE other groups for their beliefs and spew hatred like this video in order to make yourselves feel better about your own group/beliefs.

    Atheist pound away day and night with propoganda like this and prove every time they do they are indeed bigots.


    read these if you do not believe me and then tell me athiest are not bigots:

    Definitions of bigot on the Web:

    a prejudiced person who is intolerant of any opinions differing from his own
    wordnetweb.princeton.edu/perl/webwn

    A bigot is a person obstinately or intolerantly devoted to his or her own opinions and prejudices.

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    tvremote Male 18-29
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    June 22, 2010 at 8:44 am
    Wow that was arrogant.
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    Keyh Male 18-29
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    June 22, 2010 at 8:45 am
    "Atheist pound away day and night with propoganda like this and prove every time they do they are indeed bigots."

    Personally, I`m agnostic. But, Kettle meet pot.
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    teto86 Male 18-29
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    June 22, 2010 at 8:52 am
    @jamie i don`t think its HATE as u so strongly suggest its just pointing out some of the more rediculous aspects of SOME religion, i also find that religious people tend to extend similar judgements on atheists which is unfair. I, as an atheist don`t try and force my opinions on others only hold healthy debate about it and in return i wud appreciate it if religious people wouldn`t force their religion upon me in the street

    jus sayin
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    bigbangbilly Male 13-17
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    June 22, 2010 at 8:53 am
    haha
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    apolloapk Male 18-29
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    June 22, 2010 at 9:03 am
    Atheists aren`t as intolerant as the ones who speak online. This isn`t a hate video, it`s a funny, very lazily done, satire. Get over yourselves and stop thinking that every time someone makes a joke about religion 1) they are talking about Christians and 2) they are attacking them, because it`s not true and it makes you look like a douche.
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    Vindictive Female 18-29
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    June 22, 2010 at 9:07 am
    hating on atheists is just as bad as atheists hating on people of faith. you`re just massive hypocrites.

    i`m an atheist with an open mind. if there was proof, of course i`d take it. but i don`t believe as of now. happy?
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    ohplease Male 50-59
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    June 22, 2010 at 9:07 am
    I`m an athiest, and I and my like minded friends don`t hate anyone, we just think you`re a might deluded and probably shouldn`t be allowed to run anything important.
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    MEZA Male 18-29
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    June 22, 2010 at 9:10 am
    Hey christians..why can`t we be friends?
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    valleybronco Female 18-29
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    June 22, 2010 at 9:14 am
    I love the comments from people that do exactly what the video says, they get offended over a joke. Thanks to the sheep that made this post even more entertaining. : )
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    CrakrJak Male 40-49
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    June 22, 2010 at 9:24 am
    Do we have to have this fight every dang day ? Seriously.
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    green_btrfly Female 18-29
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    June 22, 2010 at 9:25 am
    religion... HAHAHA .... wow, that`s a good infomercial!
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    canusuck Male 30-39
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    June 22, 2010 at 9:42 am
    good infomercial-reminds of The Simpsons na na na na na Batman, Batman I mean leader, leader
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    pmarren Male 40-49
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    June 22, 2010 at 9:43 am
    Yup.
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    pui Female 18-29
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    June 22, 2010 at 9:43 am
    Atheists aren`t as intolerant as the ones who speak online.
    Oh some of them are. At least where I live. In high school atheists would badly beat up anyone who subscribed to any faith. Youth groups can`t even sit in a public park quietly minding our own business without a bunch of people ridiculing and pestering them. Churches, mosques and synagogues near here are vandalized every second weekend and spray painted with hateful messages. Even amongst adults you better just keep the fact you`re religious quiet, or face a whole slew of prejudices.

    On the flip side I have yet to personally see one christian person make the life of an atheist miserable. Yes, there are Jehovah`s witnesses around every now and then. Yes, they annoy even me and don`t like them knocking on anyone`s door, but really, is a few minutes of that really THAT bad?

    It goes both ways. Yes, there are intolerant christian A-holes, but there are plenty of atheist ones too.
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    oxyl Male 30-39
    915 posts
    June 22, 2010 at 9:50 am
    everyone is an a-hole. get over it and stop having the same argument every second day. seriously, it`s annoying so stfu already.
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    mastrmind Male 18-29
    102 posts
    June 22, 2010 at 9:59 am
    I enjoy a good talk with anyone of any religion. Awhile back I found one of my friends was into Islam. a guy I had known for years. We had an interesting conversation and both of us learned things about the other we didn`t know.

    Now me, I`m a very happy Atheist, But I love to learn about religion because of the mythos behind it. If you can talk to someone that actually knows what they`re talking about it`s quite fun.

    But as for most Christians... they can BARELY tell you why they don`t follow the old testament anymore. And even then most of the things they protest, are from the OLD testament.. which they don`t use.

    I love it.
    I just hate the people who feel the need to try to convert you because you`re an evil coffeedrinking atheist....

    Seriously.. read objectiveministries KIDS section on how COFFEE is the devils drink because its made from... *wait for it.. *

    GROUNDS!..

    ..oh and Christians that speak in tongues are HILARIOUS.
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    plurr4all Male 18-29
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    June 22, 2010 at 10:11 am
    Thank you oxyl, I feel ya on that one. lol The way I see it, if anyone can get by without being a prick, no matter what religion or lack thereof, then they`re a-ok to me. Me personally? I`m more spiritual than religious...religion clouds the mind.
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    Zerocyde Male 18-29
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    June 22, 2010 at 10:27 am
    Old as poo, but still good.
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    canusuck Male 30-39
    796 posts
    June 22, 2010 at 10:28 am
    @PUI Oh some of them are. At least where I live.

    Where or when did you live???? As a fellow Canadian there is no way those things happened as you say they did-I bet the churches, mosques and synagogues were vandalized by other religious people and blamed on athiests as if we are the boogie man-by the way-you have the best teeth ever-in your picture your face is 75% teeth:)
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    fattpill Male 30-39
    255 posts
    June 22, 2010 at 10:28 am
    Please why do atheist have to be rude and sarcastic concerning religion. Atheist are just as confused as all major religions except here is the main difference and for all you who say science is observation. I agree but how many of your most sarcastic believers have ever seen carbon 14 in a Microscope. so there you now have to have Faith that your scientist (or preist) is telling you the truth. Ohh wait a min atheism has ZERO moral obligations so you can lie and it dont matter. you can steal and its suvival of the fittest. so why would you take the word of a scientist when he has no morals. WOW talk about faith that is extreme. You sit on your high (carbon based animal) and talk to me as though you have no holes in your faith. you are just as needy for something to make you feel comfortable as I am. fortunately My God fills the Void you so desperately look for. He desperately wants you to let him love you. ALl you have to do is Soften your heart to him and Admit he is God. You`ll see
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    Lamiacraor Female 18-29
    231 posts
    June 22, 2010 at 10:29 am
    Hahaha That is why my belief is Shamanism. It is not a religion and I am glad for it.

    Although, I have news for some of the people who have posted here. Paganism IS IN FACT a religion and still just as pointless and pathetic as any other religion.
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    lostinkorea Female 30-39
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    June 22, 2010 at 10:29 am
    Nice one Noamfer...kinda goes with my George Carlin post...


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    Zerocyde Male 18-29
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    June 22, 2010 at 10:31 am
    All the believers always whine about how the non-believers are bigots and mean and wont just leave them alone. We really aren`t attacking the regular religious people, at least, the brighter of us aren`t. It`s the ultra conservatives who want to bring the dark ages back. We are scared to death of what they can do politically, and yea, we need to strike out at them.
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    pui Female 18-29
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    June 22, 2010 at 10:38 am
    @canusuck lol uh thanks about my teeth.

    All the things I said happen all the time. My church has been broken into and vandalized inside and out more times than I can count. I think it`s a little prejudice to assume that it MUST have been other religious people doing it. Sure, it could have been, I suppose, but considering some of the messages and the intolerance I experience from atheists around here, I kinda doubt it. The evidence points to mostly atheists doing it.
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    sexxyteddy Male 18-29
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    June 22, 2010 at 10:38 am
    Atheists believe that there is no god, so why do they give a crap about what anyone say`s about religion.?
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    nickyjefferz Male 18-29
    106 posts
    June 22, 2010 at 10:43 am
    Atheist: "yeah whatever, but god doesn`t exist; there`s nothing wrong with the message of god (don`t be a douche) but it`s devout close-mindedness, and fundamentalism of the followers who misunderstand the message; that`s the real problem"
    Pixie-worshipper: " NO, No, No; in order to see god, you have to let him into your hearts; all you Atheists, are just haters, and will BURN IN HELL...but Jesus loves you!..."
    Atheist: "Explain DNA, Neanderthals, other planets, gravity, magnets, electricity and butter"
    Pixie-worshipper: "God is testing us by allowing us to have science, logic, astronomy and freewill"
    Atheist: "you mean, intelligence, thought processes and evolution?"
    Pixie-worshipper: "Satan`s Magic!!!"
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    CrakrJak Male 40-49
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    June 22, 2010 at 10:53 am
    sexxyteddy: I agree with you.

    I don`t believe woody woodpecker is real, So why would I be worried about someone worshiping it ?
    As long as they aren`t trying to blow up buildings, Hijack planes, or stone others to death, It`s fine.
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    mastrmind Male 18-29
    102 posts
    June 22, 2010 at 10:55 am
    Who breaks the law? A survey of Inmates.

    Catholic 29267 39.164%
    Protestant 26162 35.008%
    Rasta 1485 1.987%
    Jewish 1325 1.773%
    Church of Christ 1303 1.744%
    Pentecostal 1093 1.463%
    Jehovah Witness 665 0.890%
    Adventist 621 0.831%
    Orthodox 375 0.502%
    Mormon 298 0.399%

    Judeo-Christian Total 62594 83.761% (of the 74731 total responses)
    Total Known Responses 74731


    Atheist 156 0.209%
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    BUCK8407 Male 18-29
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    June 22, 2010 at 10:56 am
    Funny because, atheists also feel the need to tell everyone how stupid they are for believing in god. Just saying... Everyone is dumb.
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    Solvent Male 18-29
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    June 22, 2010 at 10:58 am
    Tell one joke, set the world on fire.
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    Lblaxplaya20 Male 18-29
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    June 22, 2010 at 11:02 am
    I think I-A-B houses about half of the world`s atheists because they seem to be everywhere. Am I the only one who notices how many of them there are on here.

    Oh and Christianity=Truth
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    ohplease Male 50-59
    567 posts
    June 22, 2010 at 11:09 am
    @FATPILL not trying to be rude but you assume pretty much, "Atheist are just as confused as all major religions" no confusion here. I agree I have never seen carbon 14 in a Microscope, but I know if i ever wanted to there it would be. "Ohh wait a min atheism has ZERO moral obligations so you can lie and it dont matter. you can steal and its suvival of the fittest." It does very much matter that`s the point, to be good without divine threats. I think being human carries certain moral obligations, and lying and stealing are just seriously uncool. "as though you have no holes in your faith. you are just as needy for something to make you feel comfortable as I am. fortunately My God fills the Void you so desperately look for." Um no faith, no holes, feeling comfortable, not seeking any voids or their fillings. Live in peace, enjoy your comfy faith.
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    screwzlooose Male 30-39
    385 posts
    June 22, 2010 at 11:45 am
    ya know whats better than being an atheist?

    instead of praying to a god, or gods- pray to yourself.

    thats right, be your own judge- be your own savior, be your own "higher power"

    i promise you, the strength each and every one of us needs is inside, and the only thing anyone ever needs to do is look there when we need that strength.

    the best parts? no communion plate, no interrupted sunday, and- my favorite part- since we would all be accountable for our own actions, rather than saying "oh, i`ll pray for forgivness", maybe people will abstain from doing the thing that they would need to pray for forgivness about?

    i dont think humans are ready for such a thing, but as John Lennon once said, "Imagine".

    sorry for long post.
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    canusuck Male 30-39
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    June 22, 2010 at 11:58 am
    @PUI

    Wow, thats your evidence???? No wonder you follow religion my dear;)
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    EbScrooge Male 18-29
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    June 22, 2010 at 12:01 pm
    I`m a student of the sciences, I love just about everything that has to do with science. Yet, I`m deeply religious. I don`t see why there has to be a division between the two. Atheists don`t get exclusive rights to claim science even if they think they do. They also like to claim Darwin when Darwin declared himself an agnostic. When I study the sciences I see the mysteries of God`s work and it fascinates me. I agree with Zerocyde on this one, the extremists are scary and we can`t let them hinder science.

    @ ohplease. Good point, however, atoms such as carbon cannot be visualized even with the most powerful microscopes. So you can`t go look at it if you wanted to. Just saying.
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    pui Female 18-29
    3574 posts
    June 22, 2010 at 12:16 pm
    @canusuck, so the fact that the messages written on the sides of my church were anti RELIGION, not anti christianity, and the fact that similar messages were written on Mosques and Synagogues isn`t good evidence that an atheist wrote them and not a Jewish or Islamic person? Right.
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    NottaSpy Male 40-49
    881 posts
    June 22, 2010 at 12:16 pm
    CrakrJak, lets go with your analogy. Now 75% of America believes in Woody Woodpecker. They elect politicians who believe in Woody. These believers watch all the episodes in their churches and follow Woody`s example as to how to live their lives. Now it`s acceptable (and legal) to head butt people you disagree with, and drill holes in their house. You are forced to live in a tree by laws that are based off a cartoon. You can`t count the number of times you`ve almost been blown up by dynamite or nearly missed getting hit by a falling safe. Your boss at work hits you over the head with a mallet when you`re late. Your barber puts shaving cream all over your body and then slaps you around with his straight razor.

    I think you would have a problem with people who believed in Woody Woodpecker. Unfortunately, the real Religions of the world are far more dangerous than the Woody Woodpecker religion.
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    Space_girl Female 18-29
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    June 22, 2010 at 12:18 pm
    tru fax
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    darkgear6 Male 70 & Over
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    June 22, 2010 at 12:26 pm
    <INSERT WALL-O-BUTTHURT HERE>
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    canusuck Male 30-39
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    June 22, 2010 at 12:28 pm
    @ PUI
    I hope those messages were "en francais:)"

    Anti-religion means to me "anti-my religion" so as I said it wasnt done by an athiest but someone of faith in spite of what the religious "authority" led you to believe
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    pui Female 18-29
    3574 posts
    June 22, 2010 at 12:34 pm
    Anti religion means anti religion in general, not a specific religion. The messages (which I saw and even helped clean up, so no "authority" had a chance to lie to me about what they said) were things like "STOP BELIEVING IN THE SKY-DADDY". I doubt a Jew or Muslim would have written a message like that considering they also believe in, in essence, the same God. Clearly a message like that was written by someone who does not believe in a god, as in an Atheist. It`s a pretty simple and logical deduction. Are you caught up yet?
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    canusuck Male 30-39
    796 posts
    June 22, 2010 at 12:43 pm
    Really, to me that is more helpful advice "STOP BELIEVING IN THE SKY-DADDY" then what you could read in any bible except for the all caps part; the person was probably just stressing their point. Either way, it is still far less than a person of another faith would have done.
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    ohplease Male 50-59
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    June 22, 2010 at 12:45 pm
    @Ebscrooge, true, ya got me, I`d see a pile of black particles, I`d need a Geiger counter to identify it as Carbon 14.
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    redser99 Male 30-39
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    June 22, 2010 at 12:50 pm
    I`m a bit mortified by some of the responses, but I won`t judge anyone...it`s ok to be you and you have my respect. My biggest expectation is that you don`t try to sell it to me.

    I`ve always looked at the 10 Commendments as common sense. You don`t need them written down to abide by them. I, as a `self-proclaimed` Athiest, do not ever `use "Your" Lord`s name in vein` either. I happen to have been born Christian. I respect that religious people have something I do not (yet) understand but I do accept. A couple people at my work actually believed I was Muslim because of the way I manage people.

    However, I cannot fathom any religious faith with SPAMMING me with their "Word" to coax me into joining their faith; belittle me; belittling other faiths. That is not the basic principles of any religion and therefore I cannot respect you as a true member of your faith. Keep it to yourselves and practice in your homes and temples. Keep it out of our l
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    pui Female 18-29
    3574 posts
    June 22, 2010 at 12:53 pm
    @canusuck

    So when a Jehovah`s Witness comes to your door or hands you a pamphlet in the subway the proper reaction is "OMG STOP FORCING YOUR OPINION DOWN MY THROAT" but when a bunch of atheists break into private property, vandalize the place, steal stuff and break things the appropriate response is "oh they were just stressing their point LOL"

    I don`t see why it`s so hard to swallow that atheists can be jerks to people of faith. I`m not saying that religious people can`t be a-holes, because they most certainly can, I am simply pointing out that atheists can be pretty intolerant too. It goes both ways.
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    feiku Female 18-29
    525 posts
    June 22, 2010 at 12:59 pm
    A lot of you are asking why atheists care about what other people believe in and the answer is this: some religious people try and withold freedoms from people due to their religion (for example, same-sex marriage and the ability to have an abortion) while other religious people may commit acts of violence for their religion (jihad being an example but Christianity isn`t innocent from this either). We care because what you believe also has an affect on how we live our lives and the freedoms we have.

    HOWEVER, I normally do not care what religion someone believes in and I try to avoid creating arguments as much as possible with my religious friends as long as they don`t try and convert me, don`t try and remove my right and they don`t use religion as an excuse for violence.
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    kimkio Female 18-29
    877 posts
    June 22, 2010 at 1:00 pm
    it would`ve been more enlightening if it was less insulting and more cleverly witty.

    it was plain, harsh and directly insulting. "are you brainless and think there`s a god? do you believe that your life has a meaning? do you think that you`re not completely alone even if your parents are dead and you`re friendless? are you looking for an excuse not to end your miseries by suicide and hope you`ll be rewarded afterwards for that?
    well, then you`re a religious moron who has nothing in his life and deserve to die asap. because there`s no god, i checked heaven myself and he wasn`t there! so go ahead and kill yourself if you`re going through a hard time cuz there`s noone to reward you afterwards and you`re completely alone in this drated up world with full of liars and mental patients"

    ^^there, i caught the same wittiness level with that video
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    redser99 Male 30-39
    114 posts
    June 22, 2010 at 1:02 pm
    Why are many people relating maljustices to people that are Athiests? If 95% of planet earth belong to a religion, are you concluding that the vast majority of the 5% are Athiests? Just because a politician goes to mass, does that make him/her religious? Or, is he simply appeasing his supporters?

    If I ever do have children, I will raise them in the Catholic church until thier 16yo and give them the choice to choose for themselves. I will attend weekly mass and provide materials (literary/answers) as they grow. I will not disclose my own beliefs to them until they`re old enough or I make a new choice in my life.

    Again, let`s not ever equate lawlessness with lack (thereof) of religion. That`s an invalid argument.

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    feiku Female 18-29
    525 posts
    June 22, 2010 at 1:04 pm
    And yes there are ignorant people on both sides: atheists and religious people. I know a lot of atheists who are atheist simply because they either thought it was `cool` when they really have no understanding on what brought them to that decision, or atheists who chose that path because their parents chose that path. They tend to go about calling religious people dumb without any valid argument against them and that annoys me as well because they make atheists look bad..
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    feiku Female 18-29
    525 posts
    June 22, 2010 at 1:06 pm
    "If I ever do have children, I will raise them in the Catholic church until thier 16yo and give them the choice to choose for themselves."

    So until they are 16 years old, you will brainwash them? 16 years is a long time to be brainwashed and by the time you let them go make their own choice it`ll be too late.
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    canusuck Male 30-39
    796 posts
    June 22, 2010 at 1:14 pm
    @ PUI

    They sound like thugs and don`t need to be grouped in with us athiests, sounds more like an Agnostic type message that was written anyways:)

    I was glad I got to comment on your teeth though-that image of yours is burned into my head.
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    redser99 Male 30-39
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    June 22, 2010 at 1:17 pm
    Not really, again, it`s simply because I do not (yet) understand for myself. It`s not fair that I would raise a child without belonging to something that appears to be very important in humanity. (I`ll reiterate that the 10 Commandments are also common sense...That`s a pretty darn simple guide to follow.) Any faith, yes, but because I was born Christian is why I would bring my child into the Catholic church. I`ve read three versions of the bible when I was young so I suppose I could answer some questions or get help for answers I simply don`t know.

    I find that belonging to a religious faith is a basic need for any child and when they`re old enough to make their own decision (at 16yo) is when they can choose to continue or ignore the church.

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    pui Female 18-29
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    June 22, 2010 at 1:18 pm
    @madest I assume you are leading up to saying that there are more christians on death row than atheists. I never said that all atheists were bad people and that christians are all super nice, only that there are a-holes in each category, so I fail to see how that is relevant to what I said?
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    pui Female 18-29
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    June 22, 2010 at 1:21 pm
    @canusuck, they were thugs. They were also clearly atheist (or agnostic, I guess, although I still think it sounds like more of an atheist message). I am not saying all atheists are thugs, only that atheist hate crimes against christians have happened before.
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    Siyanor Male 18-29
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    June 22, 2010 at 1:21 pm
    Um.. red, I was agnostic until the age of 8, when I first went to church, then became atheist. I think I can make decisions before the age of 16.
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    canusuck Male 30-39
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    June 22, 2010 at 1:27 pm
    @ PUI

    Well, you are probably 5 seconds away from having all the crimes caused by the worlds religions thrown your way so you better have some back up for this laughable athiest injustice you are stressing about-as for me I am out of this pending war you are about to receive:)
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    pui Female 18-29
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    June 22, 2010 at 1:29 pm
    @canusuck what the heck are you talking about?

    I don`t see why anyone should be offended by what I said.
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    redser99 Male 30-39
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    June 22, 2010 at 1:37 pm
    @syanor

    Well, I do agree with you in the sense that 16yo is a subjective age. However, I would think that you may have been a bit young to make that kind of a decision at 8yo...people are different in all aspects of age from their upbringings. You may have had an incredibly difficult one to shift your beliefs at that age...if I`m right, then I`m sorry. Should the latter have been the case, there are tremendous amounts of support groups through churches of any faith that could have sustained your beliefs until 16yo when you would have a better-informed choice of your own.

    At all costs otherwise, I think that children brought up in any religion is essential. There`s quite a bit of good that comes out of any faith.
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    Baalthazaq Male 18-29
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    June 22, 2010 at 1:53 pm
    Madest:

    Good to know atheists apparently have commandments too.

    I thought hypocrisy was pretty ok in Atheistland too, if it`s not, it suggests you have rules I can take out of context and criticize. but quick, point at the Christians harder!

    Maybe nobody will notice you`re full of it.
  78. Profile photo of Baalthazaq
    Baalthazaq Male 18-29
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    June 22, 2010 at 1:56 pm
    Also, incidentally, Madest.

    You`ll notice that worldwide, the idea that Atheists are underrepresented in prisons is not universal. The UK has 30% more atheists in prison than it should.

    The US, which incarcerates 20% of all black people, (who happen to have the lowest incidence of Atheism), is an exception, not a rule.
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    redser99 Male 30-39
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    June 22, 2010 at 2:02 pm
    @madest

    Please don`t count on it.

    I felt the same way years ago, but in time it`s something you simply learn to accept. It`s not on your front porch, so why even bother. The Gay community is working hard to be accepted. I know my own sexuality and just because I don`t understand what "gay" is all about, doesn`t mean I condemn it.

    You undoubtedly also have the capacity to appreciate that 100% of Catholics do not support that particular view of the church. I think you yourself are intelligent enough to understand that...the very same applies to government that we vote in office.

    In time, the Catholic church will change its views. That, is something I believe will happen.
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    Vindictive Female 18-29
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    June 22, 2010 at 2:05 pm
    @feiku
    EXACTLY. let me have your children.
  81. Profile photo of Baalthazaq
    Baalthazaq Male 18-29
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    June 22, 2010 at 2:13 pm
    "Yeah Baal, I was talking about the only country that matters: The USA. Our death row is filled with converted christians where yours is filled with lifetime devout muslims."

    Ah, good points you`re making there. The demographics of prisons in the US are excellent demonstrations of morality the the subgroups imprisoned there.

    Ergo, you must hate black people even more than you hate Christians.
    That commandment 2? I`m really interested in seeing this morality you`re so proud of.
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    sfcg Male 30-39
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    June 22, 2010 at 2:24 pm
    IT`S A TRAP!
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    ohplease Male 50-59
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    June 22, 2010 at 2:28 pm
    pui has every right to be pissed, it`s abhorrent that some apparently atheist scum went and trashed her place of worship. Having an opposing opinion is one thing, breaking out the spray paint is an non-nice individual move. There are fanatics of every stripe.
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    Baalthazaq Male 18-29
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    June 22, 2010 at 2:34 pm
    And now quickly for some other people:

    Zerocyde vs The Video he just watched:
    Zero: "We really aren`t attacking the regular religious people".
    The Video: "Literally billions of people just like you".

    Mastermind:
    "Who breaks the law"

    Muslims 0% according to your data.
    (I`ve seen your data before. It is from the 1800s. It is often used to demonstrate lower numbers of Atheist inmates. Easy to do when you take a time with a much lower number of Atheists).

    Try the UK`s current stats, they are readily available and show a 30% disproportionate amount of Atheists compared to the national stats.

    Whatever point you were trying to make, do you now think the exact opposite, saying as your stats are the opposite of correct?

    Then perhaps your argument wasn`t very good.
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    cobrakiller Male 18-29
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    June 22, 2010 at 2:36 pm
    im actually with pui on one point; people are ass-holes in general. their faith has little to do with it.
  86. Profile photo of Baalthazaq
    Baalthazaq Male 18-29
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    June 22, 2010 at 2:38 pm
    Or, better worded for mastermind:
    Do you think the opposite is true of the UK?
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    ManicRapture Female 13-17
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    June 22, 2010 at 2:44 pm
    I am a proud pastafarian...
  88. Profile photo of ManicRapture
    ManicRapture Female 13-17
    682 posts
    June 22, 2010 at 2:45 pm
    ...the flying spaghetti monster makes tons of sense..
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    Fatninja01 Male 30-39
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    June 22, 2010 at 2:52 pm
    people hide behind religion, to disguise their pure intent!
  90. Profile photo of Baalthazaq
    Baalthazaq Male 18-29
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    June 22, 2010 at 2:59 pm
    I actually don`t give a crap. You do.

    My point is making you actually make statements instead of being quite so slimy.

    If you want to take the moral high ground (which you`re attempting by announcing you`re on it, from the bottom of a pit) and do so by deriding theists as some flavor of immoral.

    For them to be immoral, they must act against morals.

    Either they`re your morals, or they are their own.
    If they are their own, you can only really claim that they aren`t religious *enough* because they are breaking them.

    If they are yours as a community, then you have commandments and I get to mock you.

    If they are yours personally, why should anyone give a poo?
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    shanoonizzle Female 13-17
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    June 22, 2010 at 2:59 pm
    Are atheists unable to think for themselves? Do they believe atheism just because alot of other people believe in atheism too?
  92. Profile photo of Baalthazaq
    Baalthazaq Male 18-29
    4548 posts
    June 22, 2010 at 3:05 pm
    Summary.

    Many people see loopholes in religion (Thou shall not kill "thy neighbor"! This dude isn`t even on my block!)
    Some people create their own (The rules of war don`t apply during wartime - Al-Qaeda).

    Your grand plan seems to be "If we take away the rules, people won`t abuse the loopholes!".

    This is stupid.
    As I`ve said earlier, the parts in the bible about homosexuality are right next to the parts on not eating shellfish.

    Why concentrate on one? Because the people, human beings, religious or no, decided they wanted to. This does not point to a society that is "naturally moral if not for religion".

    It points to a society that when given the choice, to pick and choose, picked that.
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    louisecstasy Male 18-29
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    June 22, 2010 at 3:06 pm
    true
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    Baalthazaq Male 18-29
    4548 posts
    June 22, 2010 at 3:08 pm
    Aaaaand bedtime. Feel free to address any of the below. I`ll be back sometime tomorrow.
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    The_Enforcer Male 70 & Over
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    June 22, 2010 at 3:19 pm
    I have the, "touched by his noodly appendage" pic as my wallpaper... very funny.
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    WRNKLDTITFUZ Male 18-29
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    June 22, 2010 at 3:53 pm
    0:54
    hahahaha
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    mastrmind Male 18-29
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    June 22, 2010 at 3:57 pm
    For Baal..

    If you actually could read, you`d notice there was about 10000 prisoners not on that, because of the limitation of 1000 characters. I simply posted Christians V Atheists in prison populations. But good job not learning to count.

    Now, If we look at AMERICA as how it is. Roughly 50-60 percent is christian, and somewhere between 10 and 20 percent are agnostic/atheist.

    These numbers can be way off, but you should have a generalized sense of it.

    Now look at the breakdown of percentages on the prison population.

    A MASSIVE 83 percent are christian * which is HIGHER than the standard amount of CHRISTIANS in the US.
    While Atheists who compose around 10-20 percent of US population comprise only .2 percent.

    What we can get from this is people who say Christian live by MORALS and GOD LAW are breaking the law much more than the people who "have no morals" as said by several people here.

    Kudos

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    WRNKLDTITFUZ Male 18-29
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    June 22, 2010 at 4:16 pm
    Religion: stimulating IaB flamewars and separating IaB users
    lets make less posts about religion and more posts about lol
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    mrpuddle Male 18-29
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    June 22, 2010 at 4:20 pm
    WRNKLDTITFUZ, I with you.
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    pariahnola Male 18-29
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    June 22, 2010 at 7:46 pm
    There is only one lord and his name is the Flying Spaghetti Monster
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    last-iconOC Male 13-17
    152 posts
    June 22, 2010 at 8:14 pm
    religion...definitely not for the lulz...more like the grrz
  102. Profile photo of Fml
    Fml Male 30-39
    277 posts
    June 22, 2010 at 8:53 pm
    Baalthazaq
    "Many people see loopholes in religion (Thou shall not kill "thy neighbor"! This dude isn`t even on my block!) Some people create their own (The rules of war don`t apply during wartime - Al-Qaeda). Your grand plan seems to be "If we take away the rules, people won`t abuse the loopholes!". This is stupid. As I`ve said earlier, the parts in the bible about homosexuality are right next to the parts on not eating shellfish.

    Uff! Finally finished reading your posts.
    So analyzing them profoundly I gather the whole point is that according to the bible eating lobster and shrimps is gay. Right?
    I’m so not going back to the Redlobster!
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    Lukgeezy Male 18-29
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    June 22, 2010 at 9:17 pm
    couldn`t have put it better myself!
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    NottaSpy Male 40-49
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    June 22, 2010 at 11:59 pm
    As many of defending religion have said, many Atheists are jerks and irrational. I would agree with that. For someone to believe that there is no God is just as silly and irrational as those that believe in God.

    Nobody can say that there is or isn`t a God. The topic is outside of the realm of proof. There is no other rational choice.

    Now for clearing up a definition. Atheist means a belief that there is no God. No everyone who does not have a religion is an Atheist. There is no good term for those that have come to the rational conclusion that God`s existence is unknowable. Some call them Agnostic, I prefer Non-Theist.

    Science does not disprove God. Science does disprove the Bible and the religions based upon it (an most of the rest as well). You don`t even need science to disprove the Bible; the Bible disproves the Bible. That is pretty much irrelevant anyway, since the Bible has shown itself to be a very poor moral guide.
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    OrangeCrow Female 18-29
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    June 23, 2010 at 1:26 am
    What is IAB`s fascination with religion anyway? -_- I can`t be the only one tired of this poo.
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    davymid Male 30-39
    12140 posts
    June 23, 2010 at 1:54 am
    What is IAB`s fascination with religion anyway? -_- I can`t be the only one tired of this poo.
    At time of posting, 13000 hits, 133 comments over 5 pages and a rating of 3.3/4 tells me there are quite a few people who find this kind of post un-boring. I know I do, for one, even if it`s just reading the comments and not inciting further flames...
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    CrakrJak Male 40-49
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    June 23, 2010 at 2:40 am
    madest: In my mind it takes a loser to not learn right from wrong.

    As I asked in a previous posting, What do you base your morals on ? Because you`ve admitted your morality isn`t based on religion, Then what prevents you from inventing your own morality ?
    What prevents you from changing one or more of your morals to excuse your behavior yet still consider yourself a `moral` person ?

    If you say it`s `tradition` or `custom` or `law` then you have to admit those are all based on religion.

    Without a basis for your morals you can justify any crime, Have no guilt, And pay no penance.
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    AmberJayne Female 30-39
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    June 23, 2010 at 4:26 am
    LOL, this is hilarious! :D
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    PierreJeanFR Male 40-49
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    June 23, 2010 at 4:29 am
    With a religion base for your morals you can justify any crime, have no guilt, and pay no penance.
    stfu Crakhead
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    idiotfilter Male 18-29
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    June 23, 2010 at 5:00 am
    preach davy!
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    pui Female 18-29
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    June 23, 2010 at 6:32 am
    With a religion base for your morals you can justify any crime, have no guilt, and pay no penance.
    ... what? How does that make any sense whatsoever? Also, it does not take religion in order to commit crimes guiltlessly, I`m pretty sure someone who isn`t religious could do that.
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    Sketchbook Male 18-29
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    June 23, 2010 at 6:53 am
    What about morality based on common sense? For example, "I think it would really suck if someone killed me, or took my stuff, or raped my loved ones, etc. Maybe it`d be a good idea for me to decide that doing those things to other people would be bad too!"

    And I`m pretty sure that you don`t need religion to know that it`d suck to be raped, killed or pillaged from.
  113. Profile photo of pui
    pui Female 18-29
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    June 23, 2010 at 7:51 am
    @madest All criminals tend to rationalize their crime in some way. "He attacked me first", "That store ripped me off, so I was right to steal", "she was cheating on me!" whatever. That behavior shows a lack of moral integrity. People may use religion in a similar way, but 1) you don`t need to be religious to make excuses for your crime and 2) A person is forgiven by God, but that person has to know and accept in their heart that what they did was wrong and be genuinely sorry, which someone who is making excuses and/or exploiting their religion isn`t doing. If someone murders someone brutally and doesn`t care because "Jesus loves me, so I`m forgiven anyway LOL", then they are not actually repenting, they just think they have a loophole. I don`t think that will hold up in the afterlife.

    But the poor schlub athiest he killed is burning in hell for all eternity simply for being a victim to this crime.
    ... what are you refe
  114. Profile photo of pui
    pui Female 18-29
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    June 23, 2010 at 7:52 am
    ...rring to? lol
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    pui Female 18-29
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    June 23, 2010 at 8:05 am
    I`m confused how someone would burn in hell just for being victim of a crime, I wanted you to elaborate on that lol.

    If you actually want to know the answer to that, I direct you to gotquestions.org. The articles there can answer pretty much any question better and more completely than I can here.
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    ierpe Male 18-29
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    June 23, 2010 at 8:22 am
    Actually if I had to pick one, I would defo go for the flying spaghetti monster!
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    missPWNAGE Female 18-29
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    June 23, 2010 at 9:29 am
    ...the most useful?... what? the? f^ck? ...
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    Jayno Male 18-29
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    June 23, 2010 at 10:32 am
    @ierpe "Actually if I had to pick one, I would defo go for the flying spaghetti monster!"

    I think you just want to be touched by his noodle-y appendage.

    I personally think it`s funny that people bring up god`s judgement and afterlife, heaven/hell. What is heaven? Can you feel pain/pleasure/regret in heaven? If you can`t are you still the same person? Do you have free will in heaven?
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    Handsompod Male 30-39
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    June 23, 2010 at 10:44 am
    Pui, I think madest meant if the victim had not accepted Jesus before he was murdered. Even if he was on his wasy to convert to christianity on his way home from leper caring classes, after depositing £1M in the orphan box, until he accepts Jesus as his lord and saviour he will burn in hell. So, the peice loving victim goes to hell and the christian criminal will be forgiven and enter into the kingdom of heaven.
    Seems kind of harsh to me but........God works in mysterious ways.
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    pui Female 18-29
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    June 23, 2010 at 10:49 am
    I don`t believe it is quite as simple as that.
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    PurE_HatreD Male 18-29
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    June 23, 2010 at 10:51 am
    I`m an atheist and always have been. And in my opinion religion is a farce. BUT... If people want to belive in a greater power that`s fine too. Each to their own imo
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    Handsompod Male 30-39
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    June 23, 2010 at 10:57 am
    No me either. :)

    I think Jesus was a pretty cool guy. I`m just not a big fan of organised religion. I`m not going to declare him as my lord and saviour on the say so of said organisation, and even though I live my life with care and thought for others and harm no-one they say I cannot enter heaven.
    Shouldn`t they forgive me for doubting and let me in anyway?
    When Jesus said none shall enter heaven except through me, I think he meant for us to live by his example not brainwash the world and stop thinking.
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    pui Female 18-29
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    June 23, 2010 at 11:01 am
    @Handsompod you make a lot of sense. I think most christians have even forgot wtf christianity is supposed to be.
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    Handsompod Male 30-39
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    June 23, 2010 at 11:07 am
    Why thank you! :) I think you might be right.
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    awsome-guy Male 13-17
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    June 23, 2010 at 12:38 pm
    that sounds like a great idea im signing up today
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    Squircifer Male 40-49
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    June 23, 2010 at 12:57 pm
    I feel better knowing that all the people who dont believe as I do, will die and perish in a hot hot hell for little bitty sins.... while I rule the universe with Jesus.
  127. Profile photo of NottaSpy
    NottaSpy Male 40-49
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    June 23, 2010 at 1:59 pm
    If you derive morals from the Bible\religion\pastor\church then how do you explain how you knew beforehand what was right and wrong and how you already preferred to do what was right?

    You already knew that Jesus` love was good. I hope that you also knew that God commanding a man to kill his innocent daughter was wrong. The Bible never says that God was wrong for doing that, but you should know it. Your pastor will never tell you God was wrong, nor will your fellow church members, but you must know that it is wrong. So your innate nature tells you that commanding a man to kill his innocent daughter is wrong.

    The non-religious lead moral lives everyday. Accusing the non-religious of being immoral means that you`ve missed an important aspect of yourself. You choose religion because you perceive it to be moral. The same sense of right and wrong that tells you religion is good is the same sense of right and wrong that makes everyone try to lead moral lives.
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    xtreme_dude Male 18-29
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    June 23, 2010 at 2:59 pm
    Why does I-A-B Feel the need to always start the flame wars?

    But, funny for all the Atheists!
  129. Profile photo of pui
    pui Female 18-29
    3574 posts
    June 23, 2010 at 4:28 pm
    If you derive morals from the Bible\religion\pastor\church then how do you explain how you knew beforehand what was right and wrong and how you already preferred to do what was right?
    The holy spirit.


    I hope that you also knew that God commanding a man to kill his innocent daughter was wrong.
    Lol, hold on a second. We`re talking about an all-powerful being who created the universe, the world, people, EVERYTHING. He sees and knows all, including all the mysteries. Time and space bend under his command. He makes the rules. Nothing God does can be "wrong". You may not like it, but who are you to question the motives of a being like that?

    Who accused atheists of being immoral?
  130. Profile photo of NottaSpy
    NottaSpy Male 40-49
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    June 23, 2010 at 5:39 pm
    The Holy Spirit? Then how do you explain the fact that even monkeys know right from wrong?

    God can do no wrong? That is exactly why religion is dangerous. How do you know that Jepthah was commanded by God to kill his own daughter? Do you believe modern day murderers who claim that God told them to do it? How do you know that the Qur`an isn`t the real inerrant word of God?

    Who am I to question God? If God exists and created me, then I am exactly who he created me to be. I use the brain He gave to to look, at and test, the evidence he has left for me and I come to the conclusion, using the morals given me by the Holy Spirit, that the murderous God of the Bible is a cruel, petty, and undeserving God.
  131. Profile photo of pui
    pui Female 18-29
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    June 23, 2010 at 6:02 pm
    Do you believe modern day murderers who claim that God told them to do it?
    No. I`m pretty skeptical by nature lol.

    How do you know that the Qur`an isn`t the real inerrant word of God?
    I don`t. I don`t pretend to know everything. I`m still studying.

    Who am I to question God? If God exists and created me, then I am exactly who he created me to be...
    Fair enough. I do the same. I am a firm believer in questioning everything, however...

    ...God of the Bible is a cruel, petty, and undeserving God.
    ... I still don`t see how you can claim, without a doubt, that an all-powerful and all-seeing being, who knows way more than you could ever possibly comprehend to be wrong absolutely. How do you know his killing of anyone is actually evil or ill-intentioned?
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    docwatson Male 18-29
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    June 23, 2010 at 7:17 pm
    "... I still don`t see how you can claim, without a doubt, that an all-powerful and all-seeing being, who knows way more than you could ever possibly comprehend to be wrong absolutely. How do you know his killing of anyone is actually evil or ill-intentioned?"
    For the same reason no one will ever know if it were for good. Also for the same reason no one will ever be able to prove or disprove the existence of any god.
  133. Profile photo of NottaSpy
    NottaSpy Male 40-49
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    June 23, 2010 at 10:48 pm
    For a God that is "all-powerful and all-seeing being, who knows way more than you could ever possibly comprehend", you sure discount his powers. Your God seems pretty impotent. An all powerful God created a world that he knew he would get angry at? So he is reading from his own script? This is all some cosmic stage play? For someone who claims to be skeptical, you do not seem to ask the hard questions of your faith. You`re more like the Larry King of skeptics.

    But that is understandable. Science has shown that people are good at ignoring facts that conflict with how their wishful thinking. It is how our brain works. Just as the brain fills in the the blind spots on our vision. Just like the brain creates a spiritual feeling in the temporal lobe.

    Do some research and ask yourself if your feelings for God may only exist in your head. You can rationalize that it isn`t true, but I doubt you can find a good reason to actually deny it.
  134. Profile photo of NottaSpy
    NottaSpy Male 40-49
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    June 23, 2010 at 10:53 pm
    Oh, and murder is murder. It is even worse when it is the will of an all powerful God. All powerful means that he has an infinite choice of ways to deal with a situation, and He chose MURDER!
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    Mjustin Male 18-29
    335 posts
    June 23, 2010 at 11:24 pm
    @ pui:

    "I am a firm believer in questioning everything."

    "who are you to question the motives of a being like that?"

    I lol`d.
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    AlANeptune Female 18-29
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    June 23, 2010 at 11:39 pm
    I love this guy! No not because I agree with him, or because he`s even particularly funny. Just because I`M CHRISTIAN.
    God speaks, listen. : )
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    Handsompod Male 30-39
    1109 posts
    June 24, 2010 at 12:31 am
    "Do some research and ask yourself if your feelings for God may only exist in your head. You can rationalize that it isn`t true, but I doubt you can find a good reason to actually deny it."

    Even if he does only exist in peoples heads, if it gives them comfort, what`s the problem. As long as people live they`re lives in peace and with love, who cares what they believe? You`re having a go a pui like she`s some mad, rabid bible thumping extremeist. I believe she has shown you more love and compassion than you have shown her. I believe that makes you in the wrong because you have proven your attitude towards others of different beliefs is not one of tolerance.
    Science can prove much, but you have all the answers already so why did they build the LHC?
    They could have just created an account on I-A-B and asked you.

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    NottaSpy Male 40-49
    881 posts
    June 24, 2010 at 8:17 am
    First, I don`t claim to have all the answers, never did. You don`t need to know much to figure out Christianity is a fairy tale. I was responding to a challenge by CrakrJak, and pui responded, so I responded to her. I hardly think a blunt approach to challenging her beliefs makes me wrong.

    Second, Christianity affects us all. I would not have a problem if "people live they`re lives in peace and with love", that would be great. The problem is that promoting Christianity as the truth, when it clearly isn`t, enables (even encourages) the denial of truths that help and protect us all. When all is said and done, how many more people will die because Christianity took a stand against stem cells? How much damage and loss of life will occur due to Climate Change denying politicians who are elected by their Christian base? pui may or may not deny Climate Change, but she supports the system that enables those that do. The extremists draw their support from the moderat
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    Handsompod Male 30-39
    1109 posts
    June 24, 2010 at 9:18 am
    You seem to be mixing up fudamentalist (note the use of mentalist in that description) Christians with what the teachings of Christ were all about. I never said it was the truth. The bible wasn`t written until many years after Jesus was supposed to have lived. Not all Christians take the bible as a set of rules either. Don`t tar everyone with the same brush!
    For the record I`m not a Christian but how you are attacking people that are makes you worse than the Fundies you hate. Condemming people who`s views are different to your own is just as bad as thumping a bible. Ramming your ideas down peoples thoats is never a good way to go about things.
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    NottaSpy Male 40-49
    881 posts
    June 24, 2010 at 9:48 am
    I don`t condemn people who have different views. I haven`t condemned you. I respect opposing views and I enjoy listening to people who do not agree with me; I learn from it. But I draw the line at dangerous ideas, which Christianity has become. The teachings of Jesus are good, for the most part, and I applaud them. pui wants to follow the teachings of Jesus, great! I take issue with the Bible being presented as truth when it results in potentially devastating government policy.

    I don`t view moderate Christians as the culprit, but I do view them as accomplices. The dangerous policies enacted by the extremists can only be accomplished with the support of the moderates. I don`t have another answer to this problem. In my eyes this all begins with moderate Christians sacrificing truth for their own comfort which endangers us all.

    You`ve mischaracterized me twice. You don`t need to agree with me, but at least take better aim.
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    Handsompod Male 30-39
    1109 posts
    June 24, 2010 at 10:19 am
    Mischaracterized you? Have you read some of your comments below?
    Anyway, I will agree with you.
    I agree Fudamentalists are the issue, but not everyone who classes themselves as a christian votes republican you know. Just as not everyone who is a Muslim carries round an AK-47. Not all scientists have the right answers too. Thats why experiments and studies keep being done despite countless books being published in many fields of science previously. To say they call it the truth then attempt to say the same thing about science when science is still progressive is slightly ignorant and a little arrogant. Only when scientists stop and say, "right thats it, we`ve figured out everything there is to know and by the way, there is no God" will your argument be valid. I`m off now, my shift is over. Catch you next time dude, seriously no hard feelings. Good debate. :)
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    NottaSpy Male 40-49
    881 posts
    June 24, 2010 at 10:36 am
    I enjoyed our talk. To be clear about the two mischaracterizations: I never claimed to have all the answers, I do claim to know that the Bible is mostly fantasy. I do not condemn people who disagree with me, I condemn people that have dangerous ideas.

    As for pui, I have a fair amount of respect for her. She seems quite intelligent and does think for herself. I only wish she could see the dangerous course we`ve set upon. I think if she did see it, she would be a great help in finding a compromise between our two opposing views where everybody wins. I do not for a minute suggest that that compromise would involve destroying the Christian church or the morals that she lives by. I do not, however, see a way forward that does not involve letting go of the idea that the Bible is the inerrant word of God.
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    D3rAnG3d Male 18-29
    1598 posts
    June 24, 2010 at 9:07 pm
    Has belittling other peoples faith made you feel good about yourself? hope so

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